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Speaker 2: on that note, I weighed trying to convince you that

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Speaker 2: But now, I mean, I think Texas and Oklahoma are

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Speaker 2: we're doing Big ten and Big Tenny specifically with this episode.

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Speaker 1: We are doing Big ten. We're doing Big ten East.

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Speaker 1: welcome back, Welcome one, Welcome all. We did our ACC Atlantic,

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Speaker 1: Dan and today specifically, if you're watching the video, you

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Speaker 1: It's a very uncertain quarterback division, if I'm being honest.

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Speaker 1: The other takeaway from me, I've been going through as

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Speaker 2: So what is when you look back on twenty twenty?

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Speaker 1: for Ohio State is they're battling it out now between

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Speaker 1: Stroud and Jack Miller and Kyle McCord. Kyle McCord's actually

432
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Speaker 1: the highest ranked out of all of them. From interesting

433
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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven recruiting standpoint point kid out of

434
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Speaker 1: Eastern Pennsylvania got him to go to Columbus.

435
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Speaker 2: By you, is he from where he's from?

436
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Speaker 1: Phillies, he's like an hour Wow, Okay, so he's close,

437
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: went to I think Saint Joe's Prep. But Kyle McCord

438
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Speaker 1: is the highest ranked of all three, and if not

439
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Speaker 1: for the fact that he's only going to be a

440
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Speaker 1: true freshman on campus this year, he might have a

441
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Speaker 1: better it might be in better position, might have the

442
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Speaker 1: pole position on that quarterback spot. But he was there

443
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Speaker 1: for spring though, which is a nice spring for shore start. Yeah, okay,

444
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, eleven wins, I feels like a good bet

445
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know. There's probably not more than

446
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: one or two losses on here. Double digit wins for sure.

447
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: If you're Ohio State, I think we give him a

448
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: little bit of leeway given the fact that there's some

449
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Speaker 1: turnover at quarterback. But still a very very good team. Yeah.

450
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Speaker 2: I mean the Oregon game, they'll be favored. That's on paper,

451
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Speaker 2: it looks to be their toughest matchup right now. They

452
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Speaker 2: go up against a really tough offensive coordinator and Joe

453
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Speaker 2: morehead If that Oregon offense is fully moreheady and and

454
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Speaker 2: obviously or has a ton of talent on defense, and

455
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Speaker 2: going up against a brand new quarterback in week two,

456
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Speaker 2: it's a good time to get CJ.

457
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Speaker 1: Strouder whoever's under center.

458
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Speaker 2: Just because whoever it is, by week five six should

459
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Speaker 2: be incredibly comfortable. So it's a good time if you're Oregon.

460
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Speaker 2: But even still, there's a reason Ohio State, even with

461
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Speaker 2: that inexperienced at quarterback, will be favored in that game.

462
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Speaker 2: So that is for obvious reasons, a big headline college football,

463
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Speaker 2: not just Big ten, not just Ohio State matchup.

464
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Speaker 1: Got your work cut out for you? Where you want

465
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Speaker 1: me to go next? Let's go Penn State. Let's go

466
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Speaker 1: Penn State. I mentioned Joe moorehead we mentioned the talent

467
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: at Penn State hasn't been necessarily developed on the level

468
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Speaker 1: of Ohio State's ability. But let's go to Happy Valley.

469
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Speaker 1: We've got no food, we've got no jobs, our pets.

470
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Speaker 1: Header Now, I'm gonna play it when we talk about

471
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Speaker 1: Penn State, because Penn State got off to an zero

472
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Speaker 1: and five start last year, just unheard of. It started

473
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Speaker 1: with that overtime loss to India, the one where Michael

474
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: Pennix went full extension in over time. Maybe hit the pylon,

475
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: maybe didn't, probably didn't.

476
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Speaker 2: Whatever it was ruled, what was it, what it was ruled,

477
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Speaker 2: It was ruled.

478
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Speaker 1: What it was ruled. Indiana got a huge win over

479
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Speaker 1: Penn State, a program defining win to an extent, and

480
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Speaker 1: Penn State went on to lose to Ohio State, to Maryland,

481
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: to Nebraska and Iowa all in row. Started the year

482
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Speaker 1: zero and five. They were really bad against Ohio State,

483
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Speaker 1: Dan really bad against Maryland, really bad against Iowa. Just

484
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: did not did not seem like it was congealing the

485
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Speaker 1: way you would hope if you're a Penn State fan,

486
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Speaker 1: if you're James Franklin, it's just no bueno across the board.

487
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Speaker 2: Burn and disinfect your DVR if you soil the Nebraska game.

488
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Speaker 1: Really bad, right, really bad bad TV. But you know,

489
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: they lost five in a row, and then they put

490
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Speaker 1: it together and they won the last four. It wasn't

491
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Speaker 1: against the same quality of competition, but they beat both

492
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Speaker 1: the Michigan schools, they beat Rutgers, they beat Illinois. Across

493
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Speaker 1: the board like a lot of their numbers actually got better,

494
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: which is kind of deceiving. You look at the record,

495
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: you look at the numbers, and there was improvement in

496
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: many key areas. For Penn State. It wasn't entirely lost.

497
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Speaker 1: It was just a COVID year, Yep. It was a

498
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Speaker 1: COVID year. Twenty twenty was a lot, a lot for

499
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Speaker 1: all of us, a lot for Penn State, a lot

500
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: for any of these college football teams. So you know,

501
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: between COVID, between the opt outs, between injuries. People forget

502
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: that Micah Parsons, probably their best player, opted out. It's

503
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: a huge blow. He went high in the draft. Some

504
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: of you may recall Journey Brown also had to medically

505
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: retire before the start of the season. Yeah, we had

506
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: injuries to Noah Cane very early. We had Pat Fryermuth

507
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: get hurt as well the next and a long line

508
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: of baby rocks at Penn State. And then on top

509
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: of it, they had kerk Shiaka. I don't have the

510
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: sound here, Hurokau, but they brought Kirk Sharak in to

511
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Speaker 1: install a new off And I think the important point

512
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Speaker 1: about Shiaka here, and if you read some of what

513
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: is said, like the athletic in particular, does some of

514
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: those blind items where they talk to coaches and try

515
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: to get feedback on how people feel about different aspects

516
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: of this particular team. I think I think there was

517
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: widespread respect for Shiraka. People like Shiraka, but what needs

518
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: to be said is that it was a little bit

519
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: of a different system. Yeah, pretty much across the board,

520
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: the folks that came into Penn State, the players that

521
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: came into talent that was recruited there was sort of

522
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: recruited in that more heady, in that Ricky Rannian system

523
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: that were using my more heady and adjective. I can't

524
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: help it. I can't help it. But it's a different system.

525
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more tempo. It's Shiraka, just it

526
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: was slow, with.

527
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Speaker 2: A lot of rpo, a lot of quarterback run.

528
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was slower and it was different. And as

529
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Speaker 1: if it weren't hard enough to install something new amid

530
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic, there was also a bit of a tight

531
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Speaker 1: mismatch there between personnel and the scheme that I think

532
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: Shiraka was trying to run. Now, that doesn't account for

533
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: all the troubles, but we saw it across college football

534
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: last year when teams were installing new things, it didn't

535
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: go particularly well. Jeff Haffley didn't install anything new, just

536
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: all vanilla down and out right. There was nothing sophisticated

537
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: about it, and so there there was an issue with

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00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Shiraka just you know, I said, plenty of areas where

539
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: they got better, but yeah, ultimately just too inconsistent across

540
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: the board to really mount any kind of serious charge.

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Speaker 1: That's how you go four and five with a roster

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Speaker 1: like Penn States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So my question is my question to you though,

544
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Speaker 2: is if you're going to sort of live in the

545
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: muck there they started on five, how do you finish

546
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: four and oh? Is it just opponent base? I know

547
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: they had some guys on offense emerged? Was it Parker Washington?

548
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: Parker Washington? Was that emerged as that number two option?

549
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: Johan Dotson is back and clearly all big ten, if

550
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: not all American caliber. So there are elements to why

551
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: you go four and oh after that started? Was there

552
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: anything else that jumped out? Any other guys emerge to

553
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: sort of use to look forward optimistically?

554
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's tough to point to any one thing.

555
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: I would say that. I just think across the board

556
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: they got a little bit more consistent if you look

557
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: at things like postgame win expectancy, and some of the

558
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: numbers in those last four games, it's clear that I

559
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: don't know if they tried to dumb down the playbook.

560
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if they tried to be you know,

561
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: they figured out who their guys were that they could

562
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: rely on at that point in time. But it did

563
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: seem like even some of the losses that Penn State had,

564
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: they did play. Like the Indiana game, I think is

565
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: a great case in point. If you look at postgame

566
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Speaker 1: win expectancy, they should have won that game.

567
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Speaker 2: Oh they handed that game. The turnovers were brutal. Yeah,

568
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: so you coh and five. That's very binary to win

569
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: or loss. If you look at the actual advance statistics,

570
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: they did better than met the eye, and I think

571
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: it just kind of came together down the stretch and

572
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: they were able to go on that run. They built

573
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: some momentum, they started feeling better about themselves. Look, Indiana,

574
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Speaker 2: Ohio State, and Iowa were all legit very good teams

575
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, and they finished with a down Michigan, Rutgers,

576
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Speaker 2: Michigan State in Illinois. Right, it's a good time to

577
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Speaker 2: go four and oh when you get to line up

578
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Speaker 2: against those teams.

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Speaker 1: As we move forward down to twenty twenty. I like

580
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Speaker 1: it a lot.

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Speaker 2: Did you see Dumb and Dumber by the way in

582
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Speaker 2: theaters when it came out and whatever it was ninety five,

583
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Speaker 2: ninety six, ninety.

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Speaker 1: Seven, feel like I did?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely did in Florida and saw with my parents.

586
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Speaker 2: And it hurts because I was, what thirteen fourteen years

587
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Speaker 2: old laughing like.

588
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Speaker 1: I did in that theater. Continue going back through the clips,

589
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: it held up better than I expect. It's still stupid funny.

590
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Speaker 1: I happen to agree. People are high on Penn State

591
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, really high on Penn State because I

592
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: think there is a tendency to look at what happened

593
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: last year as like a quadruple black swan event, weird

594
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: year for everybody, decimated with injuries and opt outs, trying

595
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: to install a new offense. All these things working in

596
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: tandem made it really, really difficult this year. Pretty much

597
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: everybody's back. It's a theme across the board. It's not

598
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: unique to Penn State, the Big Ten, or any conference

599
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: in college football.

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Speaker 2: They're also their turnover margin. Turnover luck was particularly bad.

601
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Speaker 2: So if you have talent, and you have returning talent,

602
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: there is that sort of regression to the mean or

603
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: return to the mean turnover wise, I think there is

604
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: a lot of optimism because A there's a lot back

605
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: and B James Franklin had the quick hook with Shiraka,

606
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: and again, no disrespect to Shiraka, but I hope that

607
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: what he saw was what a lot of people saw

608
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: and that there was a bit of a mismatch there.

609
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Speaker 2: I kind of think that Yoursich was the guy they

610
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: wanted all along. Now, Ursitch was at Texas right and

611
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: before that, he was at Ohio State. Before that, he

612
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: was at Oklahoma State for a long time. This is

613
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: a guy who basically can put up forty points a game.

614
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Speaker 2: Wherever he goes, he runs a lot quicker. It is

615
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: a different system than what we saw last year with Shiraka.

616
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: I think it is tailor made more for Sean Clifford

617
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Speaker 2: than the Shiraka system.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see, you know. Part of the appeal for

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Speaker 1: me as a Penn Stater is the fact that I

620
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: don't think we have any excuses for Shan Clifford anymore.

621
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Speaker 1: I have not been a Shan Clifford fan. I'm not

622
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: rooting against him actively, but I have never quite bought

623
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: into this notion that there's this hidden extra gear that

624
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: we don't know about. There's not a whole lot of

625
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: evidence for me that makes me feel comfortable in saying that.

626
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: So it look, if it's going to be anybody, it's

627
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna be Usitch who unlocks the full potential. Clifford will see.

628
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Clifford is going to be the guy. He's going to

629
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Speaker 1: be the guy. He's going to be the X factor.

630
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: The offense is pretty much loaded across the board at receiver,

631
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: at running back. They brought over, brought over John Lovett

632
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: from Baylor, remember him. Of course, you have like eighteen

633
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: running backs in this team. It's in crazy. Kane is back,

634
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Kane is able, Dan he's healthy. I don't like that.

635
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: John Doddson, Parker Washington. There's a lot here to like.

636
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: I think the line should be pretty good. Okay, so

637
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: they don't really have a whole lot of excuses on

638
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: offense outside of honestly, Sean Clifford and maybe the system

639
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: taking some time to actually settle in. There aren't a

640
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: whole lot of breaks on the schedule. We'll talk about

641
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: the schedule a little bit. They kind of get off

642
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: to a hot start against Wisconsin on the road. But

643
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I do think the defense again is going to be

644
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: in a position where it's very solid. Feel better about

645
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: the back than the front. They have to find some

646
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: names up front. Had some turnover there. I don't know

647
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: who those guys are going to be. The add some transfers,

648
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: some new guys come in. They need to find their

649
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: guys up front along that line next to PJ Mustafer

650
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: that can help them generate pressure and stop the run.

651
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: But there's a lot to like here. There's an awful

652
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: lot to like here. You got to feel good if

653
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: you're Penn State and looking at the schedule. It's not

654
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: an easy schedule, dam but it is spaced out pretty well,

655
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: so you don't have a whole lot of room to

656
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: breathe and take a break. But it's spaced out in

657
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: such a manner that there aren't any any true gauntlets

658
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: that they have to worry about going through, and that

659
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: should hopefully help them as well as they try to

660
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: settle into more of a normal season in twenty twenty one.

661
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we'll learn obviously a good amount from

662
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Penn State. So we won through three weeks one through

663
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: three at Wisconsin, the Mac champion ball State Cardinals and

664
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: new look Auburn, whatever Auburn looks like. And yeah, we'll

665
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: have a good idea of Mike Kirsich and the changes

666
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: and adjustments that he's made to this offense. And then

667
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 2: you know, Indian Iowa is going to be tricky. Back

668
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: half is spaced out, nicy, like you mentioned, like they

669
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: have good teams on their schedule, but there are nice interruptions.

670
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: I'll due respect to Rutgers and Michigan States.

671
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: It's just there's there's adequate buffer. There's yeah, the George

672
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: Costanza buffer zone across the board here. The ball State

673
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: game is going to be interesting to me because I

674
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: actually I like ball State a lot. I don't think

675
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be Penn State Drew Plit guy. I like

676
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: Drew plipp But my point is just that after playing

677
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: on the road at Wisconsin and having Auburn in the

678
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: corner of your eye in Week three, ball State back home,

679
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: definitely not as high as stakes, is going to be

680
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: an interesting spot. Ball State's got a veteran team, they

681
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: were good last year, they won the back So don't

682
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: don't sleep on that game. If it's one where you

683
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: look at the bottom line, and you see in the

684
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: third quarter it's a little closer than you'd expect. Don't

685
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: be surprised. Don't be surprised by that. Otherwise, though, I

686
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: think there's there's adequate spacing in between games the Illinois

687
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: and then Ohio State, Maryland and then Michigan.

688
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, if Sean Clifford reaches his

689
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: reasonable ceiling, reasonable potential, which is pretty good, but I

690
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 2: don't believe that people are penciling penciling him in as

691
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: a national sort of killer at quarterback. This is a

692
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: ten win team, nine win team.

693
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a nine and three team. Okay, I

694
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: think it's a nine and three team. Phil Steel's real

695
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: high on Penn State. It seems like the entire world

696
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: is high on Penn State as the most improved team.

697
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: It's easy to make that call looking at what they

698
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: have coming back and tough road slate though, yeah, tough

699
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: road slate. The whole thing's a referendum on Clifford. For me,

700
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: I hate to dumb it down into one point.

701
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: That's the most important position.

702
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And I think we're gonna have the answer

703
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: pretty soon. We're going to know relatively early, whether or

704
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: not he's got that extra gear. Vegas has the over

705
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: under at nine. I think e's the right number.

706
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: Do you think there is a chance that after the

707
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: Auburn game, because it is Villanova before Indiana Iowa, if

708
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: there is going to be a change, do you think

709
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: it could be that earlier? Would they wait for bye

710
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: week Illinois tandem in mid to late October?

711
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I think they'd probably wait. Okay, you know what they're

712
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: up against. Dan is that neither Taekwon Roberson nor a

713
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: Christian v Oh have much experience, Sure, and it's going

714
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: to take them a while. I think to settle into

715
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: this new offense doesn't mean you won't see packages featuring

716
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: those guys, especially Roberson. But I don't think it's like

717
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: an imminent change. If things go things go south, unless

718
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: some of these guys have performed better in the preseason

719
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: than we have been led to believe.

720
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 2: Let's go blue, Let's go Michigan. Here, you're already sporting

721
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: the shirt. Let's let's continue along.

722
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: Got no jobs to play it again? Talk about Michigan, Dan, hmmm?

723
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Two and four last season? People high on Penn State

724
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin returning to a recent form haven't heard those

725
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: same here things of optimism about the Wolverines. No. Two

726
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: and four last season, had a great start to the

727
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: year on the road at Minnesota. Remember I bet heavily

728
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: on that Minnesota. Again, I was all in on Minnesota

729
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: last year, and Michigan just drilled them in the open.

730
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Minnesota didn't have a good year either.

731
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: No in Minnesota was news came out a little bit

732
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: before and they're like, we are missing a lot of players,

733
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: and so that's bad as sort of what was twenty twenty.

734
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, bad bet bad beat for sure, But Michigan

735
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 1: looked good there, but the rest of the way was bad.

736
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: They had losses to Michigan State, Indiana on the road,

737
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: Wisconsin at home, Penn State on the road. The only

738
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: other win all last year was against Rutgers, and they

739
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: need a trip overtime to get that one. The important

740
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: point on Michigan, this is a really inexperienced I'm not

741
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: trying to make excuses for Michigan. I'm wearing the shirt though. Yeah,

742
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Jim Harbaugh. It really truly was an

743
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: inexperienced team last year. And when you had an inexperienced

744
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: team and you had to deal with the pandemic, and

745
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to teach players how to do stuff on zoom.

746
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: It just didn't compute for a lot of places, a

747
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: lot of play. The offensive line is a great example.

748
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Lost four guys to the NFL how to figure it

749
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: out in the fly, then they lose both tackles injury.

750
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: What do you think happened to the run game? You

751
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: think they had a great run game last year.

752
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna assume no, not really, No, I think they

753
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: at least one guy transferred, at least Zach Sharbone left.

754
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to UCLA. Sure. Yeah. And defensively it

755
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: was it was kind of the same deal. You had

756
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: guys moving on. The defense took a step back as well,

757
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: So like, yep again, I I come back to what

758
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: I said about Florida State. That was very kind.

759
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: By the way, if you watch that defense try to

760
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: tackle line open field, take a step back. They took

761
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: steps away.

762
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say a little bit kind of like

763
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: I said with Florida State, two teams in different situations

764
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: of not comparing the two, but kind of like, what

765
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: the hell do you think was going to happen? Right? Sure?

766
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: What do you think, what do you think was going

767
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: to happen? And then expand out the quarterback, the most

768
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: visible position on the field. Shay Patterson exhausts his eligibility,

769
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: and then you got to deal with is it Joe

770
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Milton is a Kate McNamara. Joe Milton was fine at first,

771
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: then he wasn't. Then they turned it to Kate McNamara,

772
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: who was better and more accurate. I don't think through

773
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: an interception, had like five touchdowns to no interceptions, but

774
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: he was just okay, sort of limited. Yeah, and where

775
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: this all goes on some level after you get past

776
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: the excuses from twenty twenty and you actually pop the

777
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: hood on what happened and try to project forward. The

778
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: big takeaway is that quarterback position, and it's significant on

779
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: a number of different levels for what Jim Harbaugh has

780
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: done in his six soon to be seven years in

781
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: ann Arbor. It really is sort of the point of

782
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: so much angst in the Michigan community. The fact that

783
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: they have not been able to homegrow a quarterback right

784
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: despite all the recruiting is really problematic, especially coming from

785
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: the guy who developed Andrew Luck. That's what Michigan fans

786
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: thought they were getting and they haven't gotten it yet.

787
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: So and I don't, by the way, I don't fully

788
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: blame a program for saying we are going to try

789
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: to find more proven guys through the transfer portal. It's

790
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: just trickier.

791
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: It's just trickier to go year and a year out

792
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: or to count on getting a year or two here,

793
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: a year two there.

794
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: Like they've had.

795
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: You know, Jake Rudock obviously finished his career and impressive

796
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: fashion for Michigan. Shae Patterson at his moments, but wasn't amazing.

797
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: But we've seen it other programs, especially what Oklahoma with

798
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: rotating in Jalen Hurts and Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield,

799
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: Like you can make a rotation of transfer as at

800
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: quarterback sure that they have a homegrown one. It obviously

801
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: is a feather in Lincoln Riley's cap that Jim Harbaugh

802
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have. But there is something to counting on

803
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: the transfer portal to find more proven guys. But also

804
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: isn't Jim Harba like the quarterback whisper.

805
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be He was supposed to be,

806
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: And that is a huge source of consternation in the

807
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: Michigan community. The fact that he has not developed that position,

808
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: that there's still sort of taking a wild British comedy

809
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: legend Allan Bowman or trying to figure out if Kate

810
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: mcnmaer was a top three hundred kid out of high school.

811
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: I felt like his upside was a little bit limited,

812
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: but he was better than Joe Milton, who missed a

813
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: lot of passes, right, And so they just he's got

814
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: to figure this position out. I don't know if in

815
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: year seven it's suddenly going to be the year seven

816
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: years yeah, which is crazy. But the larger point here

817
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty, and certainly as we project forward, it's

818
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: going to remain the theme of Jim Harbough at Michigan

819
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: until he proves the doubters otherwise. Can he develop that

820
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: quarterback position? Can he develop talent the way I think

821
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot of folks hoped, so we'll see even I

822
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: don't even can he develop like a B plus quarterback

823
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: that he recruits. I know, I'm not asking for Heisman caliber.

824
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: Can you find like a Jake Browning type? I don't know,

825
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, Well, maybe maybe it's Salin Bowman, maybe Zalen Boman. Yes,

826
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: now Alan out from day one, but yeah, from day one. Yeah,

827
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: but if you can get somebody shape, Patterson came up

828
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: and was fine. But you'll also recall that shape Patterson,

829
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: at least in the early going, and not necessarily by

830
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Michigan people, but by stiffs like us, he was sort

831
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: of seen as the missing piece right in that offense,

832
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: and he was fine. It just didn't he wasn't that misbress. Yeah, yeah,

833
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I don't know. I like Alan Bowman.

834
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: I think he's better than Kid McNamara. I don't know

835
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: if he's going to win that job depends where he looks.

836
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: Some people think it's Kate McNamara's job to lose. Other

837
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: people think it's going to be Alan Bowman. Alan Bowen's

838
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: got to stay healthy. Alan Bowman's been hurt the last

839
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: couple of years, and if he's hurt, he's obviously not

840
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: going to get his crack. But outside of that, Dan,

841
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: like you know Bill Connelly's old saying about inexperience. Inexperienced

842
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: breeds experience a year later. People get older a year older.

843
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: So I would think in the Michigan case, we're due

844
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: for improvement across the board. They're still very young, right,

845
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: not a lot of seniors in that projected lineup, but

846
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: the line was able to get some good experience last year,

847
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: if only out of necessity. I think they're much deeper

848
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Hassan Haskins is now officially the

849
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned that Zach Charbonnay transferred over to UCLA. Ronnie

850
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: Bell back at wide out. There's skill position talent there

851
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: that any quarterback can work with. The other point that

852
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: I would bring.

853
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: Up, and also guys on the defense, guys on worth

854
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: while Aiden Hutchinson, Yeah, and.

855
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson's going to be very interesting to watch because

856
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: what they did, what Harbad did in the off season

857
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: is I think recognize that, you know, what they had

858
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: going before wasn't working. It was the Don Brown system.

859
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: It was a four to three. It was geared around

860
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure up front and putting your cornerbacks

861
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: on islands, essentially man and man islands to cover whatever

862
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 1: was going on by the opposing receiving corps. Michigan lost

863
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of those matchups last year and it led

864
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: to a real problem with the defense. The fabric of

865
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: the defense is based on that hyper aggressive approach. When

866
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: that didn't work. They had to change the approach. They

867
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: had to play more zone, they had to kind of

868
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: go outside of what Don Brown wanted to do this year.

869
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: Now they bring up over Mike McDonald, who I'm I'm

870
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: trying so hard not to call him Michael McDonald. Yeah,

871
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald is some like thirty three comes up from

872
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens and he is switching it up to

873
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: more of a three to four hybrid. Aiden Hutchinson's a guy,

874
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: one of those guys that he likes. They always talk

875
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: about the guys that they do it the right way. Okay,

876
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson's gonna have his hand in the dirt. He's

877
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: going to be a stand up rushbacker. He's gonna find

878
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: himself in all sorts of hybrid roles. Good. We'll see

879
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: if that good. We'll see's really good. We're gonna see

880
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: if that system is able to generate more pressure up

881
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: front and also if it's a little bit more forgiving

882
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: for the back seven. Because again, they got themselves into

883
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 1: trouble with that last year, so I don't I don't

884
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: expect the same hyper aggressive approach. They will certainly move

885
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: guys like Aiden Hutchinson around and try and find ways

886
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: to get him in the position to make havoc plays, right,

887
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: But I don't think we're going to see the same

888
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: level of on an island niss if you will, that

889
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: we saw in the secondary last year. Island hopping.

890
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's reasonable and it works when you

891
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 2: have those NFL caliber corners, when you have Jordan Lewis

892
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: guys like that, and when you don't, it doesn't right.

893
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: It's you have to be able to find those and

894
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: develop those guys and be aggressive and take those chances.

895
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: And you know, over the course of Don Brown's career

896
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: at Michigan, you would see the numbers. You would watch

897
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: the games and they would make huge play after huge

898
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: play in the backfield. They're a huge havoc team, and

899
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 2: then they would give up an eighty three yard run

900
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: because they took one too many chances or they took

901
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: a chance that an offense was able to counter. So

902
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: it look Don Brown should dramatically improve Arizona's defense the

903
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: next couple of years and bully for the Cats. But yeah,

904
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: I think it was. It just seemed like something needed

905
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 2: to be overhauled, and that's something was both the defense.

906
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: After watching where Michigan was last year. And it's not

907
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: like recruiting fell off a clip for Michigan these past

908
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: few years. They've recruited consistently at a pretty high level.

909
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: Joy just they just happen to be rivals and in

910
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 2: a division with a team who's recruiting on an all

911
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: time level. So how do you counter that, Well, you

912
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: have to be smart. You have to be smart in game.

913
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: You have to hit on a number of guys who

914
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: you know, maybe high three star, low four star guys,

915
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: and you have to develop them. You absolutely have to

916
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: win developmentally, and schematically and culturally, and Michigan has struggled

917
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: in all three of those phases.

918
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: It seems, well, it's going to be a very difficult

919
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: road to where's my thing? Here? You are in Luck.

920
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: There's a town about three miles that way. I'm sure

921
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: you'll find a couple guys there. Twelfth most difficult schedule

922
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: in college football.

923
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, even getting Western Michigan early, they should win that game.

924
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: But that's you talking about a team with a good

925
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: quarterback who can make plays on offense against a new

926
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: Michigan defense.

927
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: Love Western this year, and that's an interesting matchup. But look,

928
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: Michigan's got a home game against Washington week two. They

929
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: draw Wisconsin and Northwestern out of the way. The schedule,

930
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: much like Penn States, is actually spaced out fairly well. Yeah,

931
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: and they don't go on the road until the first

932
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: week of October against Wisconsin. But we'll find out what

933
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: they're made of in November. In November, they've got Indiana,

934
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: a road tilt against Penn State, another road game the

935
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: following week at Maryland, a week before Ohio State, which

936
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: is the big one. That's the one that Jim Harbough

937
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: needs to win. So twelfth most difficult schedule in college football.

938
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: Vegas has the over under at eight and most people

939
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: are going under, which I don't know. That seems low

940
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: to me.

941
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: They don't have a maybe until the Indiana game. They

942
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: don't have receivers on their schedule. That truly scare me.

943
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: No Western, it's done a good job on offense, but

944
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 2: the Washington offense is not built around top flight receivers

945
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: getting the ball at all. You know, Northern Illinois has

946
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: really struggled Rutgers. Wisconsin has had that struggle, and we'll

947
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: talk about that the West episode. But I don't think

948
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: people are crazy high on Kendrick Pryor and Danny Davis,

949
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: and then Nebraska can't keep receivers in the program. Northwestern,

950
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: I mean it's Ryan Helensky throwing to whom exactly this year,

951
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: and Michigan State is starting over again on offense Rocky

952
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: Lombardi leaves, So it's one of those things. Until the

953
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: Indiana game, Michigan has time to sort of figure out

954
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: what it can and can't do on defense. I just

955
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: think the issue is going to be is there going

956
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: to be any pop on offense?

957
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? And the problem I have is that they've probably

958
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: got enough talent to beat anyone on the schedule, including

959
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Disagree full disagree in look, could it happen

960
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: in a blue moon? Yeah, They've got a ton of

961
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: talent on that team, but there's uncertainty a quarterback which

962
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about. We've got a defense switching systems,

963
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: which I also do not feel great about, even if

964
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: the system is better. I like the fact that the

965
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: meat of their schedule's late, to your point, But in

966
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: order to top eight wins, Dan, they're gonna have to

967
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: beat someone that they're not supposed to, And I don't

968
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: know if that's Washington, Wisconsin, Penn State, Ohio, they can

969
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: be Washington. Yeah, and then they got to win all

970
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: the rest, so to get to eight. Just to get

971
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: to eight, even though it feels low, it really is

972
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: not giving them a whole lot of wiggle room. If

973
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: they go seven to five, hardball's gone. He's gone done.

974
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: But an even even eight and four might not be

975
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: good enough. So it's a tough spot for him. But

976
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: there is a lot of uncertainty about that Michigan program.

977
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine. They've got to go to

978
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: a ball. It's not going to be at all like

979
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: last year with two and four. But yeah, there's cause

980
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: for concern and there are some real questions.

981
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: Look through Halloween. They should start. They should start six

982
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: and two. They should all forgive losses to Washington and Wisconsin.

983
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: They lost by thirty five to Wisconsin last year. But

984
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: if it's somehow if they can win one of Washington, Wisconsin, Northwestern,

985
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: I believe that means they're six and two Western, Michigan,

986
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: Northern Illinois, Rutgers, Nebraska, and uh in Michigan State thereafter, Sorry,

987
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: Michigan State's that program. They should beat Michigan State I

988
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: know they lost last year, they should beat Michigan State,

989
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: So I think the expectation should be they look improved,

990
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: they look competent, they look together, they look bought in.

991
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: There's still talent all over the field.

992
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: You mentioned or I.

993
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: Don't know if you mentioned Dax Hill, who I like

994
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: at safety, But there's just they don't have the talent

995
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: to beat Ohio State because part of having the talent

996
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: is needing above average play from quarterback needing, and they've

997
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: I mean, what was it David Blough and Nate Stanley

998
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: at ed Purdue in Iowa. David, Does Michigan have a

999
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: David Blough or Nate Stanley on its roster in terms

1000
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: of experience and production needed?

1001
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: And obviously ron Dale Moore was a huge part at

1002
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: about Michigan with respect to Ohio State, is that if

1003
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: you're going to catch him, catch him. In the first

1004
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: year of a new quarterback catching guests, catch them even

1005
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: though they're loaded across the board. Catch them when you

1006
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: know you can bring Alan Bowman in and maybe burn

1007
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: him deep on a couple passes. There is some vulnerability there.

1008
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: There are some real questions. It's not a lot, it's

1009
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: splitting hairs. But I would much rather do it this

1010
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: year than a year from now when all these guys

1011
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: have more experience.

1012
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: Dwayne Haskins in his first year as a starter for

1013
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: Ohio State twenty of thirty one for three ninety six,

1014
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: twelve point eight yards per attempt, and six touchdowns to

1015
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: no interceptions. The QB rating of two thirty five point six.

1016
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: Looked fields, looked fields two years ago.

1017
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Heisman, first year Ohio State quarterback against Michigan. Totally cool.

1018
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to Indiana, Dan, Yeah, let's go to the Hoosiers.

1019
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: Six and two last season. They lost by seven on

1020
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: the road to the Buckeyes. They lost by six to

1021
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: Ole Miss in the bowl game, but they beat Penn State,

1022
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: they beat Michigan, they beat Wisconsin. Huge wins for this program.

1023
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: Huge wins that changed the perception of the program. Tom

1024
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: Allen's been building it for a while, as we've discussed

1025
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: on the show, but it didn't take early effect in

1026
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: the twenty one class. But if you look ahead to

1027
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: the twenty two class and twenty three classes still taking shape.

1028
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: They've only got one commit, but thus far it seems

1029
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: like the results are there. It seems like maybe Tom

1030
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: Allen has been building some of this momentum and been

1031
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: finding some ways to apply it on the recruiting trail, right,

1032
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: and that's significant. That's how you build programs. Doesn't happen overnight.

1033
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: It's a slog and I think Tom Allen's doing it

1034
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: the right way. He's an easy guy to root for.

1035
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: Six and two last year was just a great place

1036
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: to be. It was a team led by defense, really

1037
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: solid defense. They forced a ton of turnovers. Their turnover

1038
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: margin was plus twelve, which is crazy. They were in

1039
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: opposing backfields all day, day long, breaking them pass His

1040
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: final ways to be electric on defense, made a lot

1041
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: of plays, especially in the secondary. Yes, look at the numbers.

1042
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, just a great secondary last year and that

1043
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: should continue. That should continue again as we look ahead

1044
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: now into twenty one.

1045
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: They gave up, they took chances and gave up some plays,

1046
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was impressive play from that defense, which

1047
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: is what Tom Allen does right. Whenever Tom Allen goes

1048
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: to a place, that defense immediately improves and sort of

1049
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: buys in more than ever.

1050
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: And also it was a year in which the legend

1051
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: of Michael Pennox Junior was born. The thing about Pennix.

1052
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: That I think we found last year is that he

1053
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: really had a tendency to step up when the lights

1054
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: were the brightest. The Penn State game is a great example.

1055
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: Started twelve of twenty nine, wasn't really having a good game,

1056
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: completed his last seven passes though for the pylon, and

1057
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 1: won the game in overtime. Buckers game starts three of ten,

1058
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: gets his act together, goes fourteen to sixteen. The rest

1059
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: of the way.

1060
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: We all know the lights are brightest against the Scarlet Knight.

1061
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: You know continue, you know it. Yeah. Michael Penick Junior

1062
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: went down with an ACL second to last game of

1063
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: the year. He has been out for the season each

1064
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: of the last three years. He had an ACL, then

1065
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: he had what was it a broken collar bone or something,

1066
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: and then an ACL again last year. So he's got

1067
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. But as we look forward into twenty

1068
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: one seventeen starters back Michael Penick Junior healthy, ty Frey

1069
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: Fogel is back. Clearly that's going to be the focal

1070
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: point of the offense. Penis has been outstanding as a quarterback.

1071
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: As it just said, the front seven is going to

1072
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: be really good again. Maybe the best linebacking Corps in

1073
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. Mike McFadden is back at middle linebacker,

1074
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: really good in the back again. Just a solid team

1075
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: across the board. Is Tom Allen's kid back.

1076
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: I don't know he got hurt that Okay, yeah, continue,

1077
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: I'll look it up while you're while you're talking.

1078
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: But you know, just a solid team with a likable

1079
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: coach and a schedule that does not feature any gauntlets.

1080
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's spaced out well again, recurring theme. Open

1081
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: at Iowa. They've got Idaho. Then they play Cincinnati, which

1082
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: is a tough game, but then they play Western Kentucky.

1083
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: Then they played penn State. Then it's a bye, the

1084
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: Michigan State in Ohio State, then Maryland and Michigan, then Rutgers,

1085
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: the Minnesota and Purdue. So it's like every other week.

1086
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: If you're an Indiana fan, you've got a really big

1087
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 1: game to look for, and they can continue to build

1088
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: this thing and continue what they started from a year ago. Now,

1089
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: what I do worry about is the offensive line because

1090
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: for his especially since Pennix needs to stay up right.

1091
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: Pennix needs to stay upright for as many havoc plays

1092
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: as Indiana created last year. That how many they gave up,

1093
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: especially that Penn State game. Especially the Penn State game,

1094
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: Penn State's defensive line was in the backfield pretty much

1095
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: the entire game, pretty much the entire game. And when

1096
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: you got a quarterback with injury concerns, you gotta do better.

1097
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: So that's an issue at running back. To help support Pennix,

1098
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: We've got a running back by committee thing that's going

1099
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: to go on. Stephen Carr transferred over from USC, which

1100
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know about.

1101
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: I think the USC running backs coach left for Indiana.

1102
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: I think that's he followed him out.

1103
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: So there is some names Samson, James, Stephen Carr, Timbald.

1104
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: When David Ellis or some guys are going to get work,

1105
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: we'll see if any of them emerge. They got to

1106
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: be more efficient through the air. They got to take

1107
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: more risks through the air. They're really good at winning

1108
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: with defense a year ago. It's tough to continue doing that.

1109
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: If you're a team like Indiana. The depth is better,

1110
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: but it's just it's tough to continue doing that. They

1111
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: got to take more chances with pennex and defensively, there

1112
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: is room to improve against the run, splitting hairs because

1113
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: it was a really good defense. But if they can

1114
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: get that defense further tuned up and the offense again

1115
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: just takes a marginal step forward, that puts Indiana in

1116
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: a great spot. Vegas Dan only has him at seven

1117
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: and a half.

1118
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they did take chances last year. I

1119
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: mean they were bombing down the field against Ohio State

1120
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: with Whopper and Fries over there. Yep, but there's a

1121
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: lot of production to sort of replace there.

1122
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: Now Vegas hasim at seven and a half. Most folks

1123
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: are hitting the over yeah, and fry Fogel is back,

1124
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: to be clear, but is back. I love the over here,

1125
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: I absolutely love the over I think you can get

1126
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: to seven wins on this schedule without really breaking a sweat.

1127
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: And that doesn't include any teams they shouldn't be. Those

1128
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: are all teams that, if you look at on the surface,

1129
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: they should.

1130
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: Beat them one, two, three or five six.

1131
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1132
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: So what is the difference between seven and eight? Who

1133
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: is that team in Minnesota?

1134
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: Probably Michigan Minnesota. Yeah, okay, yeah, all right.

1135
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: Well they have Michigan on the road Minnesota in uh

1136
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 2: in Bloomington the week before the Oaken Bucket game.

1137
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: Pennix has to stay healthy. He has to stay healthy. Sure,

1138
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: if he gets hurt and have to go to Jack Tuttle,

1139
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: that's fine. He was fine when he came in last

1140
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: year one and we watched the Maryland game. Fine, don't

1141
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: we wanted the Maryland game. Don't really do much watching

1142
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: Wisconsin game. Don't do it. Don't know. I would prefer

1143
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: Pennis as what I as with Indiana fans. Let me

1144
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: rifle through the remaining three teams here. Why, let's really

1145
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: explore the space. Michigan State, Dan, what do you think

1146
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: of Michigan State last year? Ah Man, some high highs

1147
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: some lolo two high highs to be exact. Yeah, well

1148
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: they be Northwestern and Michigan right, m h that was

1149
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: a weird Northwestern game. Okay, weird, very weird. So let's rewind.

1150
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at what happened. Mark D'Antonio resigns

1151
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: the day before Sunny Day, m February fourth, in a

1152
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: mad panic. Michigan State goes out. They probably overpay from

1153
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: El Tucker five and a half million dollars a year

1154
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: to bring him up from Colorado, and then COVID hit, Yeah,

1155
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: and then COVID hit. It's a terrible combination and so again,

1156
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: what the hell did you think was gonna happen? Right?

1157
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: They were really bad on offense, Dan really bad, one

1158
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: hundred and ninth in the SP plus. Yeah, but honestly,

1159
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: honest to goodness, you've seen the SP plus sheet.

1160
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: I really hope you're gonna say something like the numbers

1161
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: don't even do it justice.

1162
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: They don't. Well, it was much worse. It was much worse. Okay,

1163
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: it was much worse.

1164
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure you rewatched a little terribly. It was so bad, yeah,

1165
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: so bad. And there were factors. Again, I'm not trying

1166
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: to dunk on Michigan State. It was an impossible situation.

1167
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: Elijah Collins dealt with COVID.

1168
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a chunk of the year, it only had

1169
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: forty one carries ninety some odd yards. He was like

1170
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: a thousand yard back the year before. To not have

1171
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: him was a huge loss. They tried with Connor Hayward,

1172
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: who was a receiving back, and Jordan Simmons, but they

1173
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a guy outside of their quarterback position averaging

1174
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: more than four yards of carry, and so it was

1175
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: just not good on the running front.

1176
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: And now, I mean, what the worst possible year, worst

1177
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: possible year, to be a new head coach and trying

1178
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: to install new systems. Yeah, yeah, you're a spot on here.

1179
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: The quarterback quarterback position was a mess. Roccy Lombardi who's

1180
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: now transferred to a MAX school, which we'll we'll talk about,

1181
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: but he was terrible through nine picks.

1182
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: Hold in Michigan State. Bring in Peyton Thorn. Yeah, Peyton, they.

1183
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: Bring in somebody else? My mistaking this. Peyton Thorn is

1184
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: the guy that they brought in against Penn State end

1185
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: of the year through three day. What do they bring

1186
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: in from the transfer portal for this year? It brought

1187
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: in somebody? Ty, I think I have this mark down.

1188
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: I'll get there in a second. I think it's Anthony Russ.

1189
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, ok so I blacked out. That's that's

1190
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: what it meant to me when I read it. Okay, continue,

1191
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: But it was just bad across the board. The line

1192
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: was in shambles. The defense held together pretty nicely. It

1193
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: ranked highly in the SP plus, but again I kind

1194
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: of feel like the SP plus makes it look better

1195
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: than it was. It was the strength of the team,

1196
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: no doubt about that, no doubt about it. But just

1197
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: a bad year. A bad year for mel talker in

1198
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: year one to the extent where you almost it's a

1199
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: year zero. It's totally year zero. It's a year zero,

1200
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: and can hold it against him. So now this is

1201
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: like the actual You're one for mel Tucker. Yeah, as

1202
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: we move forward and they're gonna get better. They have

1203
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: to get better. They kind of don't have a choice

1204
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: in the matter. It looks like they're all healthy at

1205
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: running back. Hopefully Elijah Collins is back. I remember on

1206
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: the show last year, I was pulling my hair out.

1207
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: Where's Elijah Collins? Where's Elijah? He's dealing with COVID sick.

1208
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: Kid was sick, So you know, give him some slack.

1209
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: He's healthy, supposedly, he seems more himself. The wide receiving

1210
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: core again is pretty solid. The entire too deep on

1211
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: the offensive line is back.

1212
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: Good and bad. Perks to that, yeah, because the line

1213
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: was bad. But I'm looking at these numbers and I know,

1214
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: I know I would still rather have the experience. Sure,

1215
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: of course, I'd rather have a quarterback that I could

1216
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: count on.

1217
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you should say that. Okay, So mel

1218
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: Tucker went full Mike Norvell and hit the transfer portal

1219
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: very hard. Lost twenty two players since October, which is

1220
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 1: a transfer portal. It's just gonna have new head coach.

1221
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, I get twenty two is a lot, though,

1222
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: Dan it was like the second most in the country

1223
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: many coaches. Yeah, but he did add fifteen new guys,

1224
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: including Anthony Russo from Temple. Now, I didn't realize that

1225
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Russo was this big. He's a big dude, six

1226
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: four two forty five from Michella. It doesn't make him

1227
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, not necessarily, it just doesn't. His ratio

1228
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: at Temple was not great, forty four touchdowns to thirty

1229
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: two picks, completed around now sixty percent of his passes.

1230
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: He was through, you know, a couple of new offensive

1231
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: coordinators and maybe that factored in. I don't know if

1232
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: he's better than what they have. Rocky Lombardi's gone, he

1233
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: went an IU, right, correct? Is Russo better than Peyton Thorne?

1234
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. He is presumed

1235
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: to be the starter, so clearly some of the folks

1236
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: in the preview business feel that way. Mm hmm. But

1237
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: why you know that remains to be seen. For me.

1238
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: It's going to be an ongoing discussion. Throughout the early

1239
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: part of the year.

1240
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: At a minimum, Yeah, I mean, just Michigan State needs

1241
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: to ascend to frisky. That's their next goal, is to

1242
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: lose a bunch of one possession type games because otherwise,

1243
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: like their defense seemed okay, especially given how behind the

1244
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 2: apall they were put by their own offense. So if

1245
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: their defense gets some time to just catch their breath,

1246
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: the offense moves the ball, you know, is competent on

1247
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: third and shorts and in the red zone. We're not

1248
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: talking scoring thirty five a game. But the next stage

1249
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: for Michigan State is losing games twenty to seventeen or

1250
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: winning games twenty to seventeen, seventeen fourteen, something like that.

1251
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: And need to be aggressive with recruiting to a very

1252
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: specific offensive identity if it's ball control, recruit the hell

1253
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: out of the offensive line and running back and whatever,

1254
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: and accurate quarterbacks, even if they're not going to be

1255
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: killers throughout the conference. But short of that, I want

1256
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: to see Michigan State take some chances on offense. With

1257
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: the way the team is constructed schematically. You know, Jay

1258
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: Johnson has I think that's the coordinator's name. He was

1259
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 2: at Georgia and Colorado, so we'll see. But recent track

1260
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 2: record is sort of toss up with the Michigan State offense.

1261
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a very specific brand Michigan State football.

1262
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: I think still carries defensively, but I don't you know

1263
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: you need something, we need competence on offense.

1264
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: Please. Well, the schedule is the twenty seventh most difficult

1265
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: in the country. They're at Northwestern start the year, which

1266
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: is not easy. That's tough, winning streak though winnie streak

1267
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: correct at Miami two weeks later, which is a strange

1268
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: noncom conference matchup two teams that don't necessarily feel like

1269
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: they fit together, but be an early test for Michigan

1270
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: State much more so than Miami. Right They've also got

1271
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: games at Indiana home against Michigan and then to close

1272
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: out the year at Ohio State home versus Penn State

1273
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: on consecutive weeks, so kind of backloaded as you get

1274
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: to the latter stages of October, which is both good

1275
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: and bad. There are still some really tough opponents in

1276
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: that early part of the schedule, but it is still

1277
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: easier than the back half, and hopefully it gives some

1278
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: of these guys more opportunity to get ready for that

1279
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: back half.

1280
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: I think five and seven would be an enormous win

1281
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: for Michigan State this year with where they are at quarterback,

1282
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: where they are at just on offense in general. If

1283
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: they can scratch out five, I think that's a really

1284
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: nice step forward and have four of those seven losses

1285
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 2: be relatively competitive.

1286
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: Six and six is the absolute ceiling, which is dan

1287
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: as it's the absolute ceiling. Yeah, absolute ceiling. It's year

1288
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: one officially now year one.

1289
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: I mean you look at the schedule, Tie, Yeah, I

1290
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 2: mean you look at the schedule. Michigan State, Northwestern real tough.

1291
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: I know they beat him last year, but real tough

1292
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:25,879
Speaker 2: win to Youngstown, Sure, Western, Western, Kentucky, Sure, Rutgers, Sure, Purdue,

1293
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: Sure Maryland.

1294
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 1: Maybe six and six assumes that they're beating Youngstown, Nebraska, Western, Kentucky, Rutgers,

1295
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: Purdue in Maryland and then raises to the other six.

1296
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: I man, that's the if you want to get the

1297
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: six and six, that's the I think path of least

1298
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: resistance to get.

1299
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 2: I think Nebraska has a nice shot against Michigan State

1300
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: this year.

1301
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: I agree. Okay, Maryland fear the turtle, Dan Maryland. Yeah.

1302
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: Two and three last season, in year two of the

1303
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:01,839
Speaker 1: Loxley era.

1304
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: Arguably the most electric two and three team in the country,

1305
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 2: Number one in.

1306
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: The nation exposed. Yeah, the first team in the history

1307
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: of FBS football, dating all the way back to when

1308
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 1: they started this thing, to win back to back games

1309
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 1: as an underdog of eighteen or more points in both games. Wow,

1310
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: nice little nug And those two opponents were Minnesota and

1311
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: Penn State.

1312
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 2: M H.

1313
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: If you take anything away from twenty twenty, just take

1314
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: away that they got to see to Leah Tungue Ofailoa.

1315
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: That's the output from the year, right. Takeaway?

1316
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 2: Now, he did play Week one, didn't he when they

1317
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: got just demolished by Northwestern.

1318
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: Late a little bit? Yeah, he played a little I

1319
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: don't recall. But it's like, here's the thing. Yeah, so

1320
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: much of a new coach is so much of a

1321
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: new coach successes forming that identity, right, and a big

1322
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: part of that identity stems from who's your quarterback? Do

1323
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: you have your quarterback? I think they found their guy

1324
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: in te Lea. I think they like him. And we've

1325
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: made jokes about it in the past, but Mike Locksley

1326
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: is a very talented recruiter, especially in area of the country,

1327
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: like the DMV that he knows particularly well.

1328
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 2: Tala, by the way, through twenty five passes against Northwestern

1329
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: twenty five passes. Okay, So he just kind of laid

1330
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: an egg through three picks and then had two just

1331
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: incredible games the following two.

1332
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,879
Speaker 1: That's right, not weeks, but matchups. Yeah, but what Locksley

1333
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: is doing is he's starting to prone off some of

1334
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: these five stars and high four star kids that are

1335
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: in the area. Rakeem Jarrett is a really good example

1336
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. We got to see him a little

1337
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 1: bit towards the latter half of the season, had a

1338
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: really good game against Penn State. So I just it's

1339
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: tough for me to read too deep into what we saw.

1340
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: They were exciting in many aspects of the football game,

1341
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: very exciting. Jake Funk eight point six, a carry out

1342
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: of nowhere. It was fun. Yeah, dude. So the appeal

1343
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: now moving forward is just this. This team's really young.

1344
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:21,839
Speaker 1: Seventeen starters back from a year ago. Only one guy

1345
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: of all of the projected starters, only one guy as

1346
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: a senior, which is a crazy foundation moving forward. If

1347
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: they can stick to it and people don't get hurt,

1348
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: we're going to see more of te Leo. We're going

1349
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: to see more of a Keem Jarrett, see if they

1350
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: can continue that success that they started from a year ago.

1351
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: We're also going to see some of that, likewise, top

1352
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: flight type flight talent on the defensive side in Terrence Lewis,

1353
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: who was their big linebacker recruit. Mm hmm. Marilynd's got

1354
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: a great linebacking corps, at least in the recruiting game.

1355
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: We'll see how that materializes out there on the field.

1356
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: But this is a team that's really young that I

1357
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: am really unsure of where to go with. I it's

1358
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: a tough schedule, but the over under his six wins,

1359
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,520
Speaker 1: so it's like kind of on the fringe of bull eligibility.

1360
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: It's not going to be what it was last year.

1361
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: I think they'll improve across the board. A lot of

1362
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 1: it stems from the uncertainty, stems from to what degree

1363
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: is some of this new talent going to show up?

1364
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: And can they knock somebody OFFUL on the way. If

1365
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: they can knock somebody OFFUL on the way, which they

1366
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: did last year.

1367
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: In stretches, though in this I mean the middle stretch

1368
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: of their schedules, they could could they could begin the

1369
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: season four and oh, they get West Virginia at home.

1370
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 2: West Virginia had its own offensive issues last year. Howard

1371
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: Illinois Kent State. I know we like Kent State in

1372
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: terms of an entertainment team, but Marylyn, I think they

1373
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: should win that game. We'll see, it's at home, and

1374
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: then they have Iowa Ohio State a bye trick here,

1375
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:06,839
Speaker 2: but yeah.

1376
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: A bye and then there's a Minnesota game on the

1377
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: road before they come home for Indiana and Penn State

1378
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: back to back weeks. Yeah, they're got I think they're

1379
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: gonna beat somebody. I don't know who. But when you

1380
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: got a young team like this that did play pretty

1381
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: hard a year ago and did have that pop, has

1382
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: that tendency for big plays, like they're going to beat

1383
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: somebody along the way. I don't know who, but yeah,

1384
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: I see. So the likeliest upsets are Michigan. I mean,

1385
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: they beat Penn State last season. Minnesota had that crazy

1386
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: ending with the miss pat So there are there are

1387
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 1: teams that they've already hung with or beaten, or shown

1388
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: themselves capable of beating. But yeah, it's they feel like

1389
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: a human shootout. They are.

1390
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what that even means they any given

1391
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: week they could lose forty two to thirty eight or

1392
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: win forty two to thirty eight outside of probably the

1393
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: Ohio State game and the Iowa game. But yeah, otherwise, yeah,

1394
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: they seem like the Big ten toss up team for sure.

1395
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: I can get seventy miles to the gallon on this hog.

1396
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: Six and six is the absolute ceiling. Okay, I think

1397
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: from Maryland.

1398
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 2: I look forward to watching Maryland football, which I have

1399
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: not been able to say for quite some time.

1400
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: No, that's true, I really do. Okay. Finally, let's go

1401
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: to Rutgers. Let's three and six last season and Greg

1402
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: Schiano's first year back since twenty eleven sort of felt

1403
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 1: like a six and three year though from a Rutgers

1404
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: competitive three and six it was an embarrassment. No, they

1405
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 1: legitimately got better. They had wins over Michigan State Perdue.

1406
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: In Maryland. They hung with both Illinois and Michigan. I

1407
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: mentioned the Michigan game earlier, which went to triple overtime.

1408
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: They scored a lot more points, and I think that's significant.

1409
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: They scored a lot more points. They felt good about it.

1410
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: On defense, they actually led the Big Ten and tackles

1411
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: for loss seventy one as a team. So there were

1412
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: bright spots. There were bright spots. Yeah, it felt like

1413
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: things were moving in a positive direction, especially now going

1414
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,799
Speaker 1: into twenty one. They're twenty one starters back, all eleven

1415
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: on offense. Also, it should be noted Sean Gleeson, which

1416
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, love the guy or hate him as offensive coordinator,

1417
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: he's back.

1418
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 2: Do people have strong Seawan Gleason opinions?

1419
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. But here's why I

1420
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,919
Speaker 1: bring that up. Even if you don't like the offensive

1421
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: coordinator situation at Rutgers, Sean Gleeson was before this coming year,

1422
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: the eleventh new offensive coordinator at Rutgers in eleven years.

1423
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Talk about a revolving door, Dan Yep,

1424
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: I like no A Vedril. No Vegril came over from Nebraska,

1425
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: didn't put up crazy numbers, but I think gave them

1426
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: some stability at the quarterback position, which has also been

1427
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: a bit of a revolving door. You may recall over

1428
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 1: the last however, many years, on defense, ten starters back.

1429
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: The defense again had a ton of havoc plays, especially

1430
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: in the front seven. Potentially one of the better defensive

1431
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: back units in the Big Ten. Who knows.

1432
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they hit the transfer portal really hard

1433
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: these past couple of years.

1434
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: And we know Shiano knows defense. He's a defensive minded

1435
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: Guy's offenses aren't the most exciting, but at least in

1436
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: the defensive side, I think he can build something. Sure.

1437
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: The schedule, again, like all these teams, is not super easy.

1438
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: Thirty fifth most toughest in the country, but there's three

1439
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: waves of it. You've got a Temple, Syracuse and Delaware

1440
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 1: wave to start. I like that the wave terminology there continue.

1441
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: I think they can win all three of those games. Okay,

1442
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: then you've got Michigan on the road. You've got Ohio State,

1443
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: You've got Michigan State, and you've got Northwestern. That's a

1444
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: touch stretch mm hmm. If you're winning any of those.

1445
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, the Michigan they were extremely close last year to

1446
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 2: beating Michigan Michigan State.

1447
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1448
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 2: With Northwestern therefore due for a dud and you know

1449
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't have I'm looking right now in front of me,

1450
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: who like, it's a bye week before Northwestern gets Rutgers.

1451
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 2: But you know, maybe they'll get lucky and jump up

1452
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,440
Speaker 2: with some let down look ahead situations.

1453
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: I think it's possible, and then the final wave is

1454
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: on the road at Illinois, followed by Wisconsin, at Indiana,

1455
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,520
Speaker 1: at Penn State, close up the year with Maryland. If

1456
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: I take a relatively optimistic point of view on that schedule,

1457
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,959
Speaker 1: I can highlight the first three Temple Syracuse and Delaware,

1458
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: and I can highlight two of the last five in

1459
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: Illinois and Maryland, and I can get them to five. Yeah.

1460
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't I'm a big sinco. I don't feel Yeah,

1461
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: thank you. I don't feel great about that. Vegas over

1462
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: under is four, which it thinks is good. The drive

1463
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: for five Rutgers, the drive for five. Yeah, that's your

1464
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: big ten East, Dan, that's your big ten East. Now,

1465
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: my question to you is, because I inappropriately researched the Mac,

1466
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: which side did I research?

1467
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: Did they want to the mast? So I did the Macwest.

1468
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: Would you like me to go through the west or

1469
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: do you just want to handle the West? Because it

1470
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: was my mistake that I should have researched the Mac East.

1471
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: It's up to you. Why don't we both go through it.

1472
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: Let's just do it, Okay, Okay, we both did the research.

1473
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: We should both true benefit from that. Hey, there are

1474
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,440
Speaker 1: some good teams of the macquest.

1475
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 2: Hey, if you want to flip the script and say

1476
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: the Big Ten East has a lot of quarterback questions,

1477
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: there are some quarterback answers. Yeah, Man, in the MAC West.

1478
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,799
Speaker 1: Most of these teams bring back most of their players,

1479
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: which again recurring theme, but there are there's some good teams.

1480
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: There are some good teams. I look through the Phil

1481
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: Steel magazine. He's not high on the MAC. He's got

1482
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: it as the worst conference in college football. Hater, just kidding,

1483
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I don't know how they compare it

1484
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: to some of the other schools out there, but I

1485
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: think especially on this side of the conference, between ball

1486
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: State and Western Michigan and Central Michigan Toledo at Toledo, right,

1487
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: even even Eastern Michigan, Like, there's a lot to like

1488
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,560
Speaker 1: here across the board in the Macwest.

1489
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a reason why the Maction caught on

1490
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: as it has because it's a conference that has found quarterbacks,

1491
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 2: has found offensive minds, has found offensive skill, and has

1492
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 2: really struggled defensively, which makes for a lot of entertaining games.

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01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 1: A lot of entertaining games.

1494
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: We're talking about a Western Michigan team that struggled playing defense,

1495
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: and they'll be okay because of the experience. A Central

1496
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: Michigan team sometimes is okay defensively. Last year, I mean

1497
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: NIU is truly a bad team. Ball State really good

1498
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:10,520
Speaker 2: linebacking corps, but you know had some issues defensively, Toledo issues.

1499
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: They beat the bad teams and lost to the good ones.

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01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: The decent ones in Eastern Michigan had an abysmal defense.

1501
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: So it's a.

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01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 2: Lot of like experience on offense. Promising quarterback or full

1503
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: on good quarterback in the case of Western k Caleb Allibie.

1504
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 2: I know we mentioned Drew Platt and on the other

1505
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 2: side it's Dustin Crumb for Kent State. But I mean

1506
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: the entertainment factor whatever Europe area has of very quality,

1507
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: extremely high. Talk to me about ball State, sure, I

1508
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: mean Drew Plitt. This will be his third season. I

1509
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,799
Speaker 2: believe at quarterback. Ball State wins the conference, beating Buffalo

1510
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: in that championship game. And your guy Lance Leopold experienced

1511
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: offensive line, good receivers. I mentioned the linebacking corps, but

1512
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 2: they have a bunch of super seniors back, which is

1513
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 2: nice because they are on the road against Penn State,

1514
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: and on the conference side of things, Michigan so a

1515
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,719
Speaker 2: tougher slate, and I don't know how seriously you can take.

1516
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: All these MAC teams have to schedule up financially in

1517
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 2: the non conference part of the schedule. But no, Ball

1518
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 2: State's in a really nice position to repeat in the conference,

1519
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,879
Speaker 2: especially with Lance Leopold leaving for Kansas.

1520
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: It's a team that plays with a ton of tempo

1521
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: mm hmm, in that hurry up, no huddle style. And

1522
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: Drew Plitt, who you mentioned. He's good, he's reliable, knows

1523
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: what to do with the ball, good against man coverage,

1524
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: good against zone coverage. He's just solid. He's a sixty

1525
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 1: er guy. The over under for Ball States seven and

1526
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: a half, which I feel good about. It feels low

1527
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: to me. Actually a lot of these numbers feel very

1528
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: low to me. In the Macwest, ball State is the

1529
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,799
Speaker 1: defending champion. Now, it depends where you look. It depends

1530
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: which preview you read, which one that you connect with,

1531
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: because depending where you look, you may see somebody that

1532
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: favors ball State to win this side of the conference.

1533
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: You may see somebody that favors Toledo and Jason Kandall.

1534
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: You may see somebody that favors Western Michigan and Caleb Allaby.

1535
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like you and I are both

1536
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: on the Western Michigan train here.

1537
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Caleb Ellaby is crazy, entertaining, total dude,

1538
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: right yeah, oh yeah, I mean he protects the ball,

1539
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: he extends plays, He's athletic, is very accurate, he is

1540
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 2: an extremely fun watch. They you know, Tim Lester has

1541
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 2: a good one in Caleb Allibie.

1542
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: For sure, if all goes well, you could you could

1543
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 1: get the ten wins with Western Michigan and the over

1544
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 1: unders only six. Who do they have?

1545
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 2: They have Michigan and anybody else Michigan and pitt Okay,

1546
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: which are not great matchups, but not great matchups, probably losses.

1547
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think with the offensive firepower that they

1548
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 2: have with LB.

1549
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: Darius Jefferson next to him, yeah, they've got two of

1550
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 1: the top three receivers back for linemen back the offenses,

1551
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: the offense is going to have a big That offense

1552
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: is good enough to beat almost anybody in the conference.

1553
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: So four and two last year could have beaten Ball State.

1554
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 1: They choked away a late lead. I ain't ten wins

1555
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: is out there. I don't know if they get there, but

1556
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: I would definitely go over six wins.

1557
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 2: By the way, I looked up when you mentioned sixth

1558
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 2: year senior Drew Platt. I have now looked up the billboard,

1559
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: not billboard, the box office for September one, twenty fifteen,

1560
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: to see how old twenty fifteen movies are. I haven't

1561
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 2: heard of any of these. I mean I heard of

1562
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 2: number one straight out of Compton war Room, No Escape, Rognation, obviously,

1563
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 2: saw Mission Impossible, Hitman, Agent forty seven, Sinister two, The

1564
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: Man from Uncle, American, Ultra, The Gift, and then at

1565
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: number ten the Original Ant Man.

1566
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

1567
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: Not a great year for movies. No, not a great

1568
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: week for movies. Minions, Jurassic World.

1569
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1570
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 2: It feels like a long, long time ago. All right,

1571
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: who else interests you to Lea? Let's talk Toledo new quarterback,

1572
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: talk about ball State, talk about Western Michigan. Who's Toledo's

1573
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 2: new guy? So probably, and they're they're selecting between all

1574
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: sorts of like country club sounding names. But it's Carter

1575
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 2: Bradley who played last year a little bit. Eli Peters

1576
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 2: was good last year. He got hurt in the spring

1577
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 2: and he's done. So they're an okay team. I mentioned

1578
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 2: that they beat the worst teams on the schedule and

1579
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 2: they lost to the decent ones on their schedule. They

1580
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 2: stopped the run. There's there's a good amount of experience,

1581
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 2: you know that. You mentioned that as a theme for

1582
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 2: everybody they travel to Notre Dame. I think they're going

1583
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: to be fine, but I don't think there's enough pop

1584
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 2: to get back to where they were three, four, five

1585
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 2: years ago.

1586
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. The interesting thing that Jason Kandall did before last

1587
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: season was he brought on six new assistant coaches. Okay, Yeah,

1588
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: he overhauled things, overhauled stuff and it worked. It worked

1589
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 1: really well. Four and two. Last year, they lost to

1590
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: Western and they lost to ball State each by only

1591
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: three points. Played well in to beat ball State. Eventually

1592
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: Ball State won the conference. Yeah, so it was goodyear

1593
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: for Twedo. I think it showed that Jason Kandle can

1594
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: adjust on the fly. It's part of why a lot

1595
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: of folks like him as a candidate at the Power

1596
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: five level. At some point in time, Let's go to

1597
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: Central and Eastern Michigan, Dan, Yeah, so we have Jim

1598
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 1: mckaway with Central Michigan. Who I mean, they weren't amazing

1599
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: last year. Let's be clear, they were a pretty average team.

1600
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: They ran the ball relatively well and stopped the ball

1601
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: sometimes well against the run. But Jacob Sermon comes in

1602
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: and so he's presumed to be at least in the

1603
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: quarterback battle. He was a blue chip quarterback that started

1604
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: his career out in Seattle at Washington. But also they're

1605
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: at Miszoo and at LSU, so that's a return to

1606
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: the SEC I suppose for Jim mckawayan. But yeah, the

1607
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,759
Speaker 1: Chips have their work cut out for them. We'll see

1608
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: if Sermon's a difference maker if and when he gets

1609
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: the starting job. And on the eastern side, two and

1610
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: four season last year led by the first offense let

1611
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:02,759
Speaker 1: down by the defense.

1612
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 2: Talk about truly bad defense. Yeah, boom or bust.

1613
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: Right, The offense is going to continue to be deluxe maction. Yeah,

1614
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 1: and they bring back a lot, so you can expect

1615
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot from them. Frankly, expect a lot of shootouts.

1616
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: That's that's how they're going to have to win. They

1617
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: gave up twenty seven points in every game last season, okay,

1618
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: which is an ideal. Sometimes more than twenty seven most

1619
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: of the time more than twenty seven.

1620
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Even still, the job Chris Creighton has done with a

1621
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: program as traditionally down as Eastern Michigan was, it's still

1622
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: pretty impressive that they are by and large a competitive team.

1623
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: And our final team here the Northern Illinois Huskies Dan Yeah.

1624
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: They are speaking of truly bad and IU has been

1625
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 2: bad since Rod Kerry.

1626
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: Tom hammock Yeah is the name of their coach.

1627
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: So they go winless last year. Now Rocky Lombardi is

1628
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: in the mix for that starting quarterback job, replacing your

1629
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 2: guy the Bauer hour Ross Bauers.

1630
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: They're at Georgia Tech and at Michigan.

1631
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 2: This year they have just fallen off a cliff and

1632
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't know the particulars, whether it's just an impossible

1633
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: place to win, but it seemed that Rod Kerrey, especially

1634
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: when he had I think it was Kevin Kane and

1635
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: as his defensive coordinator, they fielded and developed some great

1636
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: teams defensively that led the way, and they were winning

1637
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 2: games ten to nine. They were winning games twelve four,

1638
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: probably not twelve four, but they're winning low scoring affairs

1639
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 2: and they won games. They appeared in a whatever it

1640
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: was called back then. I think it was the Orange Bowl,

1641
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 2: not a New Year six game, but they lost comfortably

1642
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 2: to Florida State. But this is a program that's been

1643
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: up and they just fell off a friggin cliff.

1644
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it was starting to go a

1645
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: little bit sideways towards the end of the Rod Carry era.

1646
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: But sure. Nonetheless, it was bad campaign in the first

1647
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: two years. Now under Tom Hammick, Huskies are five and thirteen,

1648
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: which isn't great because it's been a program that's been

1649
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:11,839
Speaker 1: really good for the last decade.

1650
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 2: So it was Sutton Smith. I just had to confirm

1651
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,799
Speaker 2: that name typing it in. Who was amazing. Yeah, yeah, four.

1652
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 1: NIU coming off the edge. Yeah, Vegas has the over

1653
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: under at three and a half, which feels a little

1654
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: bit like a stretch to me. But we'll see. What

1655
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: is their schedule where they're winnable games? To you, I

1656
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: don't have it, Yeah, I don't have it in front

1657
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 1: of me. I do have labeled here that they play

1658
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: both Georgia Tech and Michigan, which are most assuredly going

1659
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: to be two losses.

1660
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 2: N IU FBS schedule. I'm going to put you on

1661
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 2: the spot for detailed schedule analysis here for the Huskies

1662
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. You mentioned the non conference. They also

1663
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: have Wyoming, the Black Bears of Maine, and we're in

1664
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 2: a main shirt right now Eastern Michigan. They're at Toledo

1665
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 2: at Central, which is not you know, Mount Pleasant doesn't

1666
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 2: seem all that difficult right now at Kent State's going

1667
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 2: to be tough. At Buffalo should still be tough. And

1668
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 2: they finished with Western and ball State sandwiching top Buffalo

1669
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 2: Bulls there, so that's tricky.

1670
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: Yep. All right, well I think so who do you

1671
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: have coming out of the Macwest? By the way, I'm

1672
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: gonna go Western Michigan. I think I'm gonna go Western

1673
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: as well. I'm gonna ride that the hot handed quarterback. Yeah, yeah,

1674
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Western Michigan. All right, that does it?

1675
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 1: Please do feel free to write in soliverbal at gmail

1676
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: dot com or but I don't know, comment on this

1677
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: wherever you download it, wherever you listen to it, and

1678
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: let us know what we got right, let us know

1679
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: what we got wrong. Put in a ton of research

1680
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: on these two sides of the Big Ten and MAC,

1681
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: and there is going to be a show that drops

1682
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 1: on Friday where we go through the other sides.

1683
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 2: Correct and there will be a show or shows in

1684
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 2: which Tie or I say something.

1685
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: Like this ouse side linebacker is going to be.

1686
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Great, and then somebody's gonna write it and say his

1687
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 2: leg was shatty three months ago.

1688
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: We're like, damn it, it will happen, It will It'll happen,

1689
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: inevitably happen. Yeah, especially when we're recording previews here in July.

1690
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll happen. So yeah, Okay, from that, I love this.

1691
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 2: I cannot wait. I mean just the depth that we

1692
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 2: get to go into in these previews, and I rewatch

1693
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 2: a bunch from last year or for whenever, you know,

1694
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 2: games were relevant for some of these guys, our coaches.

1695
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 2: It's fun refreshing, it's fun reforming or updating opinions about

1696
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,839
Speaker 2: these teams and players. I'm just I'm into a baby.

1697
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Go on out to verballers dot com. That is our patreon.

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Speaker 1: That is how you can help support the show, help

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01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: Dan and I continue doing what we do here on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. You will also get access to some cool perks.

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Speaker 1: Would also urge you, if you haven't already, to go

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01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: on out to solid verbal dot com. When you're there,

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01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 1: you can read some of the new articles that we've

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01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 1: been posting. You can also sign up for the newsletter

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01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: On Fridays, we'll be sending out those articles as well,

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01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: in addition to much of the content here that we're

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01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: putting out in audio form throughout the course of the week.

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Speaker 2: So what's going into this week's newsletter? Hopefully midweek? What

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Speaker 2: do you have in?

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Speaker 1: This week's newsletter? Should have a full compliment of written

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01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 1: content from our friends Travis Connor and Bradley mm HM,

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Speaker 1: which we'll include. We're obviously going to have some links

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01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: here as we've been going through our previews. We'll link

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Speaker 1: up to at that point all four preview episodes that

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Speaker 1: we've done. I believe there are some other fun things

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Speaker 1: that I can't yet talk about that we may be

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Speaker 1: able to include this week's newsletter. Wow. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to give away the game too much. That's my Owen Wilson. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Are you watching Loki? I haven't watched it yet.

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Speaker 1: Very good? Yeah? Is it good? Very good? I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to incorporate the low key thing into

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Speaker 1: this year's college football analysis. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: use the sort of. I don't know if it's on

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Speaker 1: a monopoia, but.

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Speaker 2: Loki as an like low key like we have to

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Speaker 2: play with that somehow. I don't know how that that goes,

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Speaker 2: but all right, then I'll try to give Loki a shot.

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Speaker 2: If everybody seems to think Loki and Ted Lasso or

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen either and everybody loves both.

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01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,799
Speaker 1: I just started Ted last the last night, I fell asleep.

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Speaker 1: But that's not because it was bad. That's because I'm

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Speaker 1: bad as staying awake.

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Speaker 2: I watched the first episode and I said to myself,

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Speaker 2: it was pretty good. He seems a little cartoonish to

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Speaker 2: You have to let it, he says, you have to

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Speaker 2: let it hit you.

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Speaker 1: It'll hit you whenever the time is right for you

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Speaker 1: personally as a man.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that? Our pal John Boyce, who is

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01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 2: just an insane person? He tweeted out, should I watch

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01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 2: Ted Lasso and turned the replies off on the internet

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01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 2: about like the Internet's most popular.

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Speaker 1: Show, A great show? At show, it is a great show.

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Speaker 1: That's all I have. Cool. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for bearing with us. Here an hour and a half

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01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: of college football preview content. Don't forget Friday is the

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Speaker 1: Big ten West and whichever side of the Mac it

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01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 1: didn't cover today, Mac East, we'll talk more than in

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01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the meantime. For that guy over there, my good friend

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01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, Chicago Land. For myself, Tie Hilton Brand over

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Speaker 1: here in eastern Pennsylvania. We'll talk to you all on

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Speaker 1: a few in the meantime, Stay solid, peace. Guess sir,

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Speaker 1: I'm in this broadcast.