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Speaker 1: and look at the film, if you already looked at

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Speaker 1: the film, coach, how do you explain the run defense?

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Speaker 1: How surprised were you that the Rams were being able

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Speaker 1: I think the first thing you have to give the

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Speaker 1: Rams credit. Now, they want thirteen games, a really good

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Speaker 1: a really good football team, a really good offensive football team,

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Speaker 1: and they ran the ball fairly consistently throughout the year.

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Speaker 1: People have a little bit of a misperception that they're

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Speaker 1: a passing team and you know, they're really a running

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Speaker 1: team first, and that's really what drives their engine, and

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Speaker 1: they get a lot of their play action stuff in

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Speaker 1: the passing game off of that. So we knew it

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Speaker 1: was going to be a heck of a challenge and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately we didn't do a good enough job.

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Speaker 1: And you can look at all three levels of our defense.

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Speaker 1: They did a good job blocking our down guys, they

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Speaker 1: did a good job getting to the second level and uh,

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Speaker 1: and they just consistently ran the ball against us, And

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to give them credit. You know,

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Speaker 1: one of the best things we've done on our team

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Speaker 1: all year long is play run defense and has really

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Speaker 1: of the ball. And unfortunately it wasn't good enough. The

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Speaker 1: other night some of the rams after the game, coach said, well,

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Speaker 1: we knew what the Cowboys we're gonna do. Ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of the time. We could tell when they were gonna

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Speaker 1: Is that something that stands out to you or is

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Speaker 1: that pretty typical in terms of tells and scouting and analytics. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think for the most part, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: teams do on offense studying opposing defenses, and what teams

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Speaker 1: do on defense studying opposing offenses. The same thing in

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Speaker 1: the kicking game. Now, that goes back a long way,

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Speaker 1: and we spend a lot of time, you know, looking

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Speaker 1: trying to do is compliment those looks. You know, oftentimes

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Speaker 1: you'll have a tendency on your team and you'll say, hey,

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Speaker 1: when they're in this formation or in this alignment, or

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Speaker 1: so it's incumbent upon you to recognize what that is,

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Speaker 1: then do something that is able to attack, you know,

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Speaker 1: They did an excellent job running the football and they

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Speaker 1: deserve to be in this NFC Championship game. Jason Garrett

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Speaker 1: the fourth and one play out of the third quarter

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Speaker 1: time out. You know, I think side of a great

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Speaker 1: play is one that you would run again. Did you

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Speaker 1: think would you run that play again in that same situation? Well,

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Speaker 1: obviously it didn't work for us. We were successful on

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Speaker 1: us in that situation a lot. Uh. It's given our

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Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately that one didn't work out. They did

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Speaker 1: And again give them credit. Uh. You know, when it

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Speaker 1: intents and purposes. So what you try to do, in

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Speaker 1: our opinion, is you try to make it a one

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Speaker 1: People argue that thing, you know, time and time again

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Speaker 1: is what you should do. But with that much time

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Speaker 1: that was the best thing to do. Is that the

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Speaker 1: same thought for the onside kick too. Well, the onside

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Speaker 1: the three timeouts, so it was going to be a

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Speaker 1: field position game. Coming back the other way. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: like we needed a field goal, we needed a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: So you know, if you go for an onside kick

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Speaker 1: and you miss it, you're really canceling. Thirty forty arguably

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Speaker 1: fifty are the field position that you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: Above the two minutes, you're going to get a stop. There,

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Speaker 1: you get an opportunity to stop them three more times.

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Speaker 1: So you know, let's let's keep that field position. Let's

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Speaker 1: keep that forty yards. Assuming we get a stop, we

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Speaker 1: get the ball back because we have to go all

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Speaker 1: the way to score touchdown. The numbers this year coach

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Speaker 1: showed that it's only an eight percent chance of recovering

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Speaker 1: that onside kick. Oh and two in the postseason. Have

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Speaker 1: the new adjustments that the league is made with on

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they factored in that particular case.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's you know, we would do

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts either during or after on the play that

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Speaker 1: it was a curious play, there's no question about that,

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Speaker 1: and you know, ultimately that's what they called. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've seen one called like that

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Speaker 1: over and over again. I mean, that's one of his strengths,

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Speaker 1: his ability to escape and get away. But I don't

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Speaker 1: ultimately it's about what we do as players and coaches,

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Speaker 1: and you know, officials really had nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: that particular play, but that's how they described it. Coach,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, in the third series of the first half,

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Speaker 1: You know, the week before we only had you know,

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Speaker 1: They were driving the ball more, they had some extended drives.

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Speaker 1: do we aspire to? Are you? Is this team capable

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Speaker 1: each of those teams had home field advantage for the

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Speaker 1: And I would argue their complete teams. Certainly, they're very

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Speaker 1: run the ball a lot. That's that's a big part

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Speaker 1: Sony Michelle, you know, a big part of their game

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Speaker 1: just complete teams. They play well on defense, they're good

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Speaker 1: Every Monday, Seawan and RJ recap in the season one

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Speaker 1: you expect Scott Linehan in return? I do, you know,

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Speaker 1: excited about the challenge. Yes, Jason, yet with us every

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Speaker 1: we thank you for coming on for another year. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative of you, guys. I really enjoy the

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Speaker 1: in such an honest way with great integrity, and I

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Speaker 1: always enjoy our visits. Thank you, coach, Congratulations on a

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Speaker 1: very nice season. Okay, guys, Happy new year to you.

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Speaker 1: Back at you, Jason Garrett,