WEBVTT - Ep. 159: Swimming Naked 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:13.320 M this is the Meat Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.639 folk bitten, and in my case, underwear listening. I'm making 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:45.199 a podcast. You can't predict anything. Mm hmm. How's it going? 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:52.320 Everybody all right? Mhm uh? Everybody here has been a 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:58.960 State Theater today today, just today. I saw um the 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:04.520 Cowboy Junkies many years ago, and I feel that mine 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:09.080 you saw weird out here. Really, I feel that my 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.840 it wound up being like that was the first time 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.160 I was at State Theater. And it turned out that 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.560 me and my wife think that she was there too, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.600 but she would have been way too young for me 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.840 to be gawking at the time. But I feel that 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:31.280 she was not saying that wasn't but I shouldn't have been. Uh, 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.800 we think so. And then later I came you and me, Uh, 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.480 I came here to see Bob Dylan and that night, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.280 I don't know if you remember, I have a picture. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.840 Uh We're sitting there and I was arguing that jello 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.280 shots don't actually make you drunk, because I had this 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:54.800 theory that something happened to the alcohol. Do you remember 0:01:54.800 --> 0:02:02.840 this show, taking a little time out in the footwell, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.440 blow the seats up there somewhere up top, and you know, 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.880 like at a concert, everybody gets all their season comes 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:15.320 down too, you know, dance around. Well when I when 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.800 I get down my nap, I come down looking for 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:24.440 everyone and catch my body Eric doing like a little 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:25.800 bit like that, you know what, you kind of like 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:30.119 dance behind someone a little bit. But it was like, yeah, 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.600 I come down like really because he's kind of a 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.760 little like he's like a little bit doing like the 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:41.120 I'm right behind your dancing too behind with my girlfriend 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:49.200 at State Theater. Not to me, um, I got a 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.639 let's do in aductions that I gotta coupe people, gotta 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.639 say hi to no. We have the lavin eagle weight 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:02.800 on the end. Thank him, Uh, Mark Kenyon from water 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:08.000 to hug a huge round of applause for our very 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.679 good friend from growing up Matt Droskys, a low profile 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:20.760 get the low ron bam who was kind of kind 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.240 enough to give me employment uh for several years and 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.520 then friendship for many more after. And then my big 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:36.720 brother Matt Ronelan. Where we're out here is Ada. There's 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:45.640 an eleven year old Ada. Okay, listen, your dad needs 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.720 you to understand that listening to the Meat Eater podcast 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.840 is better and more important for your mind and spirit 0:03:54.240 --> 0:04:08.440 than listening to Bruno mars Uh. Hello to Officer Darren McIntosh, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:15.360 you out there, Thank you. Um now, Also, my mother's 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:22.120 here tonight, So Rosemary Ranella, we're gonna we're gonna play 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.920 a game later. We're gonna play a game called Seeing 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.800 through the Bullshit. And so someone has to come up 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.320 and be the contestant. And we took a blank map 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.599 of the theater with all the seats on it and 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:40.120 gave it to my mother, Rosemary. Two select a seat 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.279 who will be the person that gets to come play 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.640 the game and win something. And my mother made a 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:50.280 big deal out of selecting someone from the balcony because 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:57.640 she likes the root for the underdogs. A lucky, a lucky, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.560 a lucky player up there will be called down to 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.720 do that. And then, uh, one more thing. We'll get 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.920 to you guys later too. But birthdays. And we've got 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.520 birthdays here tonight, I mean a lot really tonight. That 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:15.039 mean tonight isn't your birthday? Oh then you won't win 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:24.560 like birthdays today? Okay, the oldest, if you're old, you're 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.400 in luck. We'll get to that later. If it's your 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:32.120 birthday and you're old, you're in luck. Um cover that now. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.159 A couple of got hit a couple of news items 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.920 like we like to do. They they just had you 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.760 guys heard of this the there was like a organized 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:45.920 squirrel hunt in New Jersey. They got badly protested by 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.560 the League of the League of Humane. Let me get 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.920 this right, it's the League of Humane. Voters organized the 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:58.360 protest against the squirrel hunt. The organizer was saying, it's 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.719 very disconcerting the idea of being a family friendly event. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.000 Look at the strong correlation of kids who commit violence 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.760 against animals as children and then grow up to be 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:13.119 violent against people. Writer Listener wrote in, and he was saying, 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.480 it's weirdest. Part of the plan of the squirrel hunt 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.119 was to teach people how to acquire and prepara wild game. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.440 If the organizer's assertion is true, would it not stand 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.520 a reason that children who are raised eating meat from 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.720 a grocery store are more likely to hire hit men 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:33.480 to commit violent acts against people on their behalf also 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.039 got an interesting note from a dude, a good Midwestern 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.840 boy who bought a new bow and the guys that 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.400 the bullshot were saying, man, if you want to get 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.960 dialed for hunting, you shoot the bowl like how you 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:49.360 would shoot hunting. And he's playing a hunting a tree stand, 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.279 but his yard has no tree stands, so he takes 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:56.760 the hunting from the phone pole to practicing from the 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.400 phone pole out on the street. And by the time 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.160 the police come him and the municipality guy comes, it 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:04.880 makes him take a stand down with it. Did give 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.599 him a line on where to go buy his own 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:11.560 phone pole that he can bury it into his yard. Uh. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.840 We're talking about Norway recently, where a guy run in 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.280 with an ethical dilemma from Norway and another guy rode 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:24.400 in with a Norway expression. What was the hunting one? 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:31.119 The German one? And it means like good luck hunting, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.880 like a like the best of luck hunting. Yeah, he 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.280 got talking about that. And in Norway they say skit jacked, 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:44.480 which means I hope you have ship hunting. And it's 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.520 like the same as saying It's the same as saying 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.760 like break a leg like you give you know what 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.160 I mean? They don't want to jinx his outing, so 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.680 you hit him like that. Can you say it again? 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:58.080 I want to make sure remember that it's well s 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.400 k I T T, which gonna go with skits skits 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:07.120 j A k T, which I'm gonna go with that's 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.160 something to do with hunting JK. That's a yah. I 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.920 hope you have a ship. I think you should all 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.600 use the Latvian version of that instead, because we have 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.560 pretty much the same thing, two different versions of it. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.320 We say either shall we godum, which means basically shoot 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.520 past them or over him, So you're saying like good luck, 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:34.760 I hope you miss kind of the Other thing we 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.120 say is um life to follow on Netta's at, which 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.400 means I hope that you don't see hide nor hair. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.720 Really there's These are both Latvian ones. Can you welcome 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:54.120 everybody tonight in Latvian love love vocard? There another another 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:58.240 one last news item and and and I know Matt 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.559 Droles you sent this to me recently, like you grow 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.400 up these parts taking for granted that you can just 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.559 go down and walk down the beach, Just take a 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.080 walk down the damn beach because this is America. Um. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.880 And the Supreme Court just confirmed that, yes, in fact, 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:21.480 this is America. But what's that The Great Lakes? The 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.800 Great Lakes are America, so Indiana and Michigan. The Supreme 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.079 Court actually refused to hear the hearing contesting the ability 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.360 to walk the high water mark. Yeah, dude, a couple. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:40.840 I'm just throwing out the two people, Donald and Bobby Gunderson. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.559 But they suffer from is they suffer from a problem 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.120 that happens in American society with some people where it's 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.320 I think like to think of it as too bad. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:55.040 It isn't true that like you buy a house on 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.480 the beach and the next day here's some dirt bag 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.800 walking down the beach surf casting, and you're like, you're mad, 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.960 it isn't illegal to that guy. I wasn't down there 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.720 on my beach. And then they just have the energy 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.880 and time to try to like my dream, My dream 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.920 would be that the people who are enjoying that area, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.520 uh just down there, you know, taken in the sun. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.040 My dream is that they couldn't enjoy that area. And 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.200 I'm gonna spend a lot of money preventing them from 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.800 a joint. But so the Supreme Court not hearing it. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.760 They like, challenge it got shot down. Challenge it got 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.199 shot down, and they took the Freme Court and the 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.679 Free Court refused to hear it, said that the law 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.240 stands as is. You know, the high water mark is 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.160 public public domain. So summer is still on everyone, So 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.360 summer is still scheduled. This is kind of newsy, but 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:51.960 so we hit it right now while it's while we're 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.360 talking about news, a little bit of news. Mark, You're 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.839 gonna do a recap Mark, Canyon Wired Hunt. This is 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:05.760 the wire to Hunt Michigan deer season recape. What happened? Mark, Well, 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.400 I think the big thing we were talking about discussing 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.680 was a little bit not frank Um demographics, a little 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.320 bit what kind of success rate hunter saw, what kind 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.040 of participation we saw. And I will preface this by 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.800 saying that the data available is split between two years, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.440 because there's not harvest data available yet for the two 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.840 thousand eighteen season, but there is license sales data available 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.439 from this season. So first off, an interesting thing of 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.720 note is that this year she has eighteen They're about 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.720 just over six hundred thousand deer hunters in the state 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.320 of Michigan. That is a lot of deer hunters, one 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.320 of the highest numbers of deer hunters in the country, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.240 but it's down nearly a hundred thousand in just the 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:51.400 last five years. Very significant drop drop off, and that 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.440 is down two hundred thousand deer hunters from a high 0:11:54.520 --> 0:12:00.440 point of seven or eight five thousand. So we're seeing 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:06.839 that pretty precipitous drop. That's the downer good news front. Um, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.640 I don't know, maybe not a good news front, depends 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.240 on how you look at it. But we had the 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.360 second highest number of bucks killed first state in the 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:23.200 entire country. So the only state that killed more bucks. Yes, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.920 when you're talking about food and you're like, oh, you 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:33.080 know they eat it in Japan anything to do with deer, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.199 you're like, let me guess, Yeah, it's Texas or any 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.439 funky things too. Yeah, So old Michigan killed second only 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.439 the Texas, second only Texas. Yeah, and that is the 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.319 third highest. No, let me take that back to the 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.439 first or second highest bucks per square mile in the 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:56.480 entire nation, three times the national average. So we're killing 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.440 a lot of we're killing a lot of deer, killing 0:12:58.440 --> 0:12:59.920 how many people in here? God it deer this year 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:09.520 man crowd stolen cool. I think I can say with 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.439 a lot of confidence that we have above average deer 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:21.559 hunters in this room because because exactly fifty of the 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:28.120 deer hunters in this state killed the deer this past year. Success. Right. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.560 If you bump that up to how many people killed 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.319 more than one deer? What's your guess? What percentage of 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.520 license hunters killed more than one deer? Killed a deer? 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:46.959 I'm gonna go what do you think? Pretty? Five? Five? 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.440 Really big drop off from one to two or more? Uh? 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:05.240 I killed two deer this year in Michigan. NA people, Yeah, yeah, 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.200 any any other any other good Michigan inside people all 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.800 know about. Yeah, you did a good job. You got 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:19.080 all this memorize nothing written on my Okay hand check. Um. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.520 Bow hunting in Michigan very very popular. I think a 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.400 lot of deer hunters like to talk about how there's 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.960 so much bow hunting pressure in this state. I sometimes 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.440 use as an excuse for why it's tough in this state. Um, well, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.640 it's backed up by fact we had three hundred and 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:40.400 eleven thousand. Is it because of crossbows? I do not 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:41.640 know the answer to that. I don't know what the 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.520 breakdowns between crossbow and bow. But a lot of a 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.240 lot of passionate bow hunters in this state, and we 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.920 have the third highest number of bucks killed per square 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.160 mile in the country with archer equipment, I think if 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.280 I remember that correctly, is the number of bow hunters? 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.640 Is that number going up or down? I haven't seen 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.440 a trend on that. I would guess it's probably parallels 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.920 the overall What are they attributing? I know it's a 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:05.640 host of things, and I kind of already know that 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.840 it's unanswerable. But what are your insights? What are they 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:12.760 attribute What are they attributing to the um the number decline? 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.360 Have you seen the number of like the total number 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.600 of people like that compared to ours spent a field? 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.080 Is it like? Are we losing the like are we 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.840 losing a lot of like the Lamo weekend? One weekend 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.680 a year? Dudes? Are we losing like the hardcores? Like? 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.080 Who are we losing? So I haven't seen data as 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.560 far as that. I can make some assumptions because you 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.480 can stay lame o, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.040 that's a horrible word choice. That's one of those things 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.720 you say in life, the one of these yeah, week 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:49.040 like a warrior of the weekend, a guy who likes 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.160 what what's happening? Basically is that and this is kind 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.360 of the thing you're seeing across the entire nation is 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.920 that there was this very large group of baby boomers 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.800 that came in and for a number of different reasons, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.240 took on hunting very popular within that demographic, and that 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.760 group has just been aging. So if you look at 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.520 the curve of hunting participation by age, you know, twenty 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.480 years ago you saw like thirty or forty year olds 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.880 or whatever that Brackett was, that was our highest chunk 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.640 of hunters. And then is you look for ten years 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.160 that Brackett just moves further down, and now we see 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.200 our highest participation of hunters are in that like fifty 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.160 four to seventy rangers, high sixties. And so what's happening 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:37.000 is that your number of hunters every year, retained hunters 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.360 is dropping off because I can't remember that the age 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.400 of seventy or seventy two or somewhere around there. Um, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.360 there's a very hard line where participation usually starts to 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.960 dramatically drop off people aging out. So we've got we've 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.160 had a very large segment of the hunting community that's 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.640 aging out and that's not being filled back in at 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.320 the top of the funnel with younger hunters. Another interesting Michigan. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.720 Thing is that I saw data from two thousand through 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.560 fifty team that showed the number of new hunters coming 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.480 in if some might remember that back in twelve thirteen, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.800 somewhere around there were encouraged because there were some new 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.960 numbers that showed across the nation hunting participation was up 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.320 a little bit. Um, so that was kind of a 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.440 reason to celebrate. Well, this data showed in Michigan that 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.040 the number of new hunters is still actually going down. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:27.480 So we're ore ore our three you know, attempts, recruitment, retention, etcetera. Um, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.600 maybe we're at least from twos in thirteen and fifteen 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:36.200 was moving the wrong direction, which was not pective here. 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:43.480 Like trend Yeah, so like the hun's gonna get Michigan 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.080 Hun's gonna get better and better. It depends on how 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.080 you're looking at it. I guess they're looking if you 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:53.800 want less less pumpkins in the woods, yeah, which I mean, 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.080 like selfishly, would I like it if there's fewer people. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.399 It would be nice for my own personal hunting, But 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.400 for the long it's not. It's not what you want 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.119 as long as it's like it might feel immediately beneficial, 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.879 but there's Uh, there's a long term play that some 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.320 people feel that long term play becomes compromised exactly. Okay, Uh, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:19.119 if you had to hit Michigan and one word and 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:25.280 it can't be a hand gesture, Michigan is a single word, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:32.960 what would the word be? Do I go first? I 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.280 can go first? You're not ready? Can let you guys? 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.520 Give you some time? Okay, I call a second all right, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.440 I think someone else might take I'm gonna now, I'm 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.560 picking this where net because I've been gone now for 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:52.960 twenty years, but I'm gonna go with green, green, green? 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.359 What's sense? That's true? Man? What sense? That's a good point, 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.159 just like the color like color. Yeah, because being in 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.600 the last men, you don't realize you're throwing off here, 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.840 how green and how jungle like this foliage is. When 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.720 I come back now in the summer, we're not just 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.200 going driving down these boulevards that you know, giant overhanging oaks, 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.000 you know, the big giant leaves, and it's just so green, 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.239 and you know, I feel it in my soul. When 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:17.800 I was spending a lot of time out in Matt's 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.880 Neck of the Woods out in eastern Montana, I would 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.440 come here and be struck by the foliage. But then 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.439 it was cool. But then, like I lost that buzz 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.600 kind of living in the Pacific Northwest. But I think 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.520 it'll come back now. Yeah. Like to look from an 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:40.000 airplane and just see that line of leaves, Man, it's reassuring. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:46.960 But God's bleak in the winter. H not today. It 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.000 was beautiful today. I thought you were saying we're green, 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.639 like a bunch of new hunters. I didn't really pictures 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:01.080 the land carpeted in cash um a bunch of marijuana 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:07.119 growing into the wood. What do you got, Marke that 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.959 did just become legalized? Um tradition? Tradition? Yeah, I think 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.959 I look at Michigan and I see a estate filled 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.080 with a lot of passion for the tradition. Funding and 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.600 then also so I'd say it's like the macro level tradition. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.560 But then also personally, you know, when I think of 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.640 Michigan hunting, it's the tradition of my family, deer camp 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:33.680 and spending time with family in those those moments. Everyone, 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:41.359 everyone up here except Ronnie was born Great State of Michigan. No, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.080 that's not true. I was born in Hinsdale. You were 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:50.440 how old when you moved to Michigan two months about 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:56.560 that that? Yeah, that's right. Where was that where Kinsdale, 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.640 Illinois suburb? I was both born in Indiana with Indiana 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:07.920 Oh never mind, I thought I was. I thought, like, man, 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.679 but everybodys up here is a faker sands plans. How 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:17.320 do they say that formative yearsatiformative? We've all spent former 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.840 years here. I got more Michigan laid up right here 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:25.280 than you boys. Um Man, what do you got? One word? Man? Like? 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.440 So I thought about this when you asked this question earlier, 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.080 and like I kind of don't want to say what 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.399 I was thinking, but like I want to stay adorable adorable, 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.960 but like, but like I have to describe what I 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.600 mean when I say that, because it's because you got 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.520 to be like a special dude to use the word 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.440 a door, right exactly. I was like, like, what's he 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.800 talking about? Adorable? Anyone kick his ass? Like no, Like, 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.960 I mean, like it's like it's adorable. Yeah, it's like 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.159 it kind of plays off that tradition. It's like this, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.359 like it's like, you know, it's complex, it's got all 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.440 these things, all the seasons, like the big city of 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.760 the small city that like the urban like it's got 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.960 all of that. It's kind of like Norman Rockwell adorable 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.120 sort of like sense to it, but yet like it's 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.479 also kind of a qualifier for like bigger state stuff. 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.000 Like it's a qualifier like for moving tom On Town. 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.399 It's a qualifier for last it's got you know, you 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.000 can fish salmon here. You know you can't fish that 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.600 in many states. So in the you know, Colstalt states, 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:20.680 there's a big game here. Like, so it's got a 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.160 little bit of everything. So that was kind of adorable. 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:31.359 Makes me want to panic because I can't come up 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.800 with a word. The only thing I could think of 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:37.280 is from moving from Illinois to here is uh, Yanni 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.720 actually stole mine. I was gonna go green. You were 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.000 gonna roll with green. Yeah, I was thinking green because 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:43.920 that's what I thought of when I came here. You know, 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:46.720 Illinois a prairie state. We got trees, but they're in 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.879 the city. And uh so, I guess the only thing 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:51.600 I can think of destruct me from coming here as 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.600 a kid is just water, like all the different kind 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.520 you got waterfalls, great lakes, little lakes, swampy lakes, duck ponds, 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.760 every just water, frozen water, lots of hard water. Yeah, 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.720 hard water. Yeah, that's all I can come up with. 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.920 My mind was the is the adjective form of water 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:21.360 watery water? Nice going Illinois brother better than the reason 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:25.200 I even asked that question is the uh. I was 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.000 talking to the writer Ian Frasier one time and he like, 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.560 really he's from Ohio, but really like to talk about 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:36.840 me being from Michigan. And he said, one day we 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:38.879 were talking about Michigan, and he said, you know, when 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.760 I think of Michigan, I always sick of people that 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:47.520 I met on the boss who would say fuckers honorable. 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:54.240 I've ever been like, that's true that I thought that 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:59.200 was being on a bus elementary school. But that is 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:09.480 how we say that. Up. I just said it. So 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.840 that's six in my head. I can't get it out 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:17.600 of my head. Um okay, now another Michigan thing real quick. Um. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.280 You could pick, and I gotta warn you about this. 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.280 You can pick your favorite Uncle Ted or Uncle Bob's song, 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:27.959 but you'll get one of each. You can do one 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:29.240 of each, but I think it'd be too long because 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.040 I'd be like twelve tunes. I think you should go one. 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:36.920 It could be either Uncle Bobby or Uncle Teddy. I 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:38.919 tried to talk Matt and to bring in his guitar 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.600 to play a little bit of every favorite song and 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:46.159 the seeker ones. You'd be all over some of them. 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.680 But he was intimidated. He was intimidated by certain other 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.800 tunes that you were like, are too complex. Yea, So 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.240 he did not bring the guitar. I can't, I can't shred. 0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.560 Can you do like a like if someone says the 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:08.760 song you able to like helmet? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So, 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:11.200 because because these are like things I think, like foundational 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.840 Michigan music. And I know there's newer versions, but I'm 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.520 just dating myself here, but this was old music when 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.359 I was a kid. Uncle Bobby, you know, picture yourself, 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.639 Marty raising your hand. Yeah, I call I call it 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.040 nugent song because I don't. I don't think I could 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:34.879 name a singer song. Dude, Come on, this guy, Mark 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.520 Kenyon is the only man I've ever met in my 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:44.000 life who identifies can I do it to you? Like 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.640 it's almost like the name that shall not be spoken. 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.840 I don't know what you're talking about. Musicians Mexico. With 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:56.120 a long conversation, Mark like, actually, if you ask Mark 0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.200 Mark likes. It's like they're like the fans each trying 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:07.600 to say he's not like my favorite, but Billy Joel 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:15.920 is pretty good. He also didn't see Jeremiah Jensen. Uh yeah, finally, 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.400 I'm less shocked that he can't name a nugent song. 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.920 I got nugent. Oh, I think said Night Moves, No 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:31.360 Flow me Away my favorite news song. My favorite song 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.480 is the clichest song you could possibly think of for 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.639 this event. But it was on a CD that I 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.720 listened to every morning when heading to go hunting. So 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:43.560 on my Deer Hunting soundtrack, first track got me pumped 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:47.520 up every more and hand out see iconic fred Bear. Yeah, 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:52.880 oh that that counts. That counts, you can. I think 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.840 I can only name one of each, Like I'm just 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:56.720