1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: M this is the Meat Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: folk bitten, and in my case, underwear listening. I'm making 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: a podcast. You can't predict anything. Mm hmm. How's it going? 4 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Everybody all right? Mhm uh? Everybody here has been a 5 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: State Theater today today, just today. I saw um the 6 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Cowboy Junkies many years ago, and I feel that mine 7 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: you saw weird out here. Really, I feel that my 8 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: it wound up being like that was the first time 9 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I was at State Theater. And it turned out that 10 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: me and my wife think that she was there too, 11 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: but she would have been way too young for me 12 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: to be gawking at the time. But I feel that 13 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: she was not saying that wasn't but I shouldn't have been. Uh, 14 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: we think so. And then later I came you and me, Uh, 15 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: I came here to see Bob Dylan and that night, 16 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, I have a picture. 17 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Uh We're sitting there and I was arguing that jello 18 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: shots don't actually make you drunk, because I had this 19 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: theory that something happened to the alcohol. Do you remember 20 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: this show, taking a little time out in the footwell, 21 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: blow the seats up there somewhere up top, and you know, 22 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: like at a concert, everybody gets all their season comes 23 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: down too, you know, dance around. Well when I when 24 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: I get down my nap, I come down looking for 25 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: everyone and catch my body Eric doing like a little 26 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: bit like that, you know what, you kind of like 27 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: dance behind someone a little bit. But it was like, yeah, 28 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: I come down like really because he's kind of a 29 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: little like he's like a little bit doing like the 30 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm right behind your dancing too behind with my girlfriend 31 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: at State Theater. Not to me, um, I got a 32 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: let's do in aductions that I gotta coupe people, gotta 33 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: say hi to no. We have the lavin eagle weight 34 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: on the end. Thank him, Uh, Mark Kenyon from water 35 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: to hug a huge round of applause for our very 36 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: good friend from growing up Matt Droskys, a low profile 37 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: get the low ron bam who was kind of kind 38 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: enough to give me employment uh for several years and 39 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: then friendship for many more after. And then my big 40 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: brother Matt Ronelan. Where we're out here is Ada. There's 41 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: an eleven year old Ada. Okay, listen, your dad needs 42 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: you to understand that listening to the Meat Eater podcast 43 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: is better and more important for your mind and spirit 44 00:03:54,240 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: than listening to Bruno mars Uh. Hello to Officer Darren McIntosh, 45 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: you out there, Thank you. Um now, Also, my mother's 46 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: here tonight, So Rosemary Ranella, we're gonna we're gonna play 47 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: a game later. We're gonna play a game called Seeing 48 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: through the Bullshit. And so someone has to come up 49 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: and be the contestant. And we took a blank map 50 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: of the theater with all the seats on it and 51 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: gave it to my mother, Rosemary. Two select a seat 52 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: who will be the person that gets to come play 53 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: the game and win something. And my mother made a 54 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: big deal out of selecting someone from the balcony because 55 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: she likes the root for the underdogs. A lucky, a lucky, 56 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: a lucky player up there will be called down to 57 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: do that. And then, uh, one more thing. We'll get 58 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: to you guys later too. But birthdays. And we've got 59 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: birthdays here tonight, I mean a lot really tonight. That 60 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: mean tonight isn't your birthday? Oh then you won't win 61 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: like birthdays today? Okay, the oldest, if you're old, you're 62 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: in luck. We'll get to that later. If it's your 63 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: birthday and you're old, you're in luck. Um cover that now. 64 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: A couple of got hit a couple of news items 65 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: like we like to do. They they just had you 66 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: guys heard of this the there was like a organized 67 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: squirrel hunt in New Jersey. They got badly protested by 68 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: the League of the League of Humane. Let me get 69 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: this right, it's the League of Humane. Voters organized the 70 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: protest against the squirrel hunt. The organizer was saying, it's 71 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: very disconcerting the idea of being a family friendly event. 72 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: Look at the strong correlation of kids who commit violence 73 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: against animals as children and then grow up to be 74 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 1: violent against people. Writer Listener wrote in, and he was saying, 75 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: it's weirdest. Part of the plan of the squirrel hunt 76 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: was to teach people how to acquire and prepara wild game. 77 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: If the organizer's assertion is true, would it not stand 78 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: a reason that children who are raised eating meat from 79 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: a grocery store are more likely to hire hit men 80 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: to commit violent acts against people on their behalf also 81 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: got an interesting note from a dude, a good Midwestern 82 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: boy who bought a new bow and the guys that 83 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: the bullshot were saying, man, if you want to get 84 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: dialed for hunting, you shoot the bowl like how you 85 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: would shoot hunting. And he's playing a hunting a tree stand, 86 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: but his yard has no tree stands, so he takes 87 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: the hunting from the phone pole to practicing from the 88 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: phone pole out on the street. And by the time 89 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: the police come him and the municipality guy comes, it 90 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: makes him take a stand down with it. Did give 91 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: him a line on where to go buy his own 92 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: phone pole that he can bury it into his yard. Uh. 93 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: We're talking about Norway recently, where a guy run in 94 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: with an ethical dilemma from Norway and another guy rode 95 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: in with a Norway expression. What was the hunting one? 96 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: The German one? And it means like good luck hunting, 97 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: like a like the best of luck hunting. Yeah, he 98 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: got talking about that. And in Norway they say skit jacked, 99 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: which means I hope you have ship hunting. And it's 100 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: like the same as saying It's the same as saying 101 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: like break a leg like you give you know what 102 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean? They don't want to jinx his outing, so 103 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: you hit him like that. Can you say it again? 104 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: I want to make sure remember that it's well s 105 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: k I T T, which gonna go with skits skits 106 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: j A k T, which I'm gonna go with that's 107 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: something to do with hunting JK. That's a yah. I 108 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: hope you have a ship. I think you should all 109 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: use the Latvian version of that instead, because we have 110 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: pretty much the same thing, two different versions of it. 111 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: We say either shall we godum, which means basically shoot 112 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: past them or over him, So you're saying like good luck, 113 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: I hope you miss kind of the Other thing we 114 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: say is um life to follow on Netta's at, which 115 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: means I hope that you don't see hide nor hair. 116 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: Really there's These are both Latvian ones. Can you welcome 117 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: everybody tonight in Latvian love love vocard? There another another 118 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: one last news item and and and I know Matt 119 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: Droles you sent this to me recently, like you grow 120 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: up these parts taking for granted that you can just 121 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: go down and walk down the beach, Just take a 122 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: walk down the damn beach because this is America. Um. 123 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court just confirmed that, yes, in fact, 124 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: this is America. But what's that The Great Lakes? The 125 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: Great Lakes are America, so Indiana and Michigan. The Supreme 126 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: Court actually refused to hear the hearing contesting the ability 127 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: to walk the high water mark. Yeah, dude, a couple. 128 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out the two people, Donald and Bobby Gunderson. 129 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: But they suffer from is they suffer from a problem 130 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: that happens in American society with some people where it's 131 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: I think like to think of it as too bad. 132 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: It isn't true that like you buy a house on 133 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: the beach and the next day here's some dirt bag 134 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: walking down the beach surf casting, and you're like, you're mad, 135 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: it isn't illegal to that guy. I wasn't down there 136 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: on my beach. And then they just have the energy 137 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: and time to try to like my dream, My dream 138 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: would be that the people who are enjoying that area, 139 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: uh just down there, you know, taken in the sun. 140 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: My dream is that they couldn't enjoy that area. And 141 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend a lot of money preventing them from 142 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: a joint. But so the Supreme Court not hearing it. 143 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: They like, challenge it got shot down. Challenge it got 144 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: shot down, and they took the Freme Court and the 145 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: Free Court refused to hear it, said that the law 146 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: stands as is. You know, the high water mark is 147 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: public public domain. So summer is still on everyone, So 148 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: summer is still scheduled. This is kind of newsy, but 149 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: so we hit it right now while it's while we're 150 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: talking about news, a little bit of news. Mark, You're 151 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: gonna do a recap Mark, Canyon Wired Hunt. This is 152 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: the wire to Hunt Michigan deer season recape. What happened? Mark, Well, 153 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: I think the big thing we were talking about discussing 154 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: was a little bit not frank Um demographics, a little 155 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: bit what kind of success rate hunter saw, what kind 156 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: of participation we saw. And I will preface this by 157 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: saying that the data available is split between two years, 158 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: because there's not harvest data available yet for the two 159 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen season, but there is license sales data available 160 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: from this season. So first off, an interesting thing of 161 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: note is that this year she has eighteen They're about 162 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: just over six hundred thousand deer hunters in the state 163 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: of Michigan. That is a lot of deer hunters, one 164 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: of the highest numbers of deer hunters in the country, 165 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: but it's down nearly a hundred thousand in just the 166 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: last five years. Very significant drop drop off, and that 167 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: is down two hundred thousand deer hunters from a high 168 00:11:54,520 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: point of seven or eight five thousand. So we're seeing 169 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: that pretty precipitous drop. That's the downer good news front. Um, 170 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe not a good news front, depends 171 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: on how you look at it. But we had the 172 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: second highest number of bucks killed first state in the 173 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: entire country. So the only state that killed more bucks. Yes, 174 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: when you're talking about food and you're like, oh, you 175 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: know they eat it in Japan anything to do with deer, 176 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: you're like, let me guess, Yeah, it's Texas or any 177 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: funky things too. Yeah, So old Michigan killed second only 178 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: the Texas, second only Texas. Yeah, and that is the 179 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: third highest. No, let me take that back to the 180 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: first or second highest bucks per square mile in the 181 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: entire nation, three times the national average. So we're killing 182 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: a lot of we're killing a lot of deer, killing 183 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: how many people in here? God it deer this year 184 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: man crowd stolen cool. I think I can say with 185 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: a lot of confidence that we have above average deer 186 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: hunters in this room because because exactly fifty of the 187 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: deer hunters in this state killed the deer this past year. Success. Right. 188 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: If you bump that up to how many people killed 189 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: more than one deer? What's your guess? What percentage of 190 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: license hunters killed more than one deer? Killed a deer? 191 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go what do you think? Pretty? Five? Five? 192 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: Really big drop off from one to two or more? Uh? 193 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: I killed two deer this year in Michigan. NA people, Yeah, yeah, 194 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: any any other any other good Michigan inside people all 195 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: know about. Yeah, you did a good job. You got 196 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: all this memorize nothing written on my Okay hand check. Um. 197 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: Bow hunting in Michigan very very popular. I think a 198 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: lot of deer hunters like to talk about how there's 199 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: so much bow hunting pressure in this state. I sometimes 200 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: use as an excuse for why it's tough in this state. Um, well, 201 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: it's backed up by fact we had three hundred and 202 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: eleven thousand. Is it because of crossbows? I do not 203 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: know the answer to that. I don't know what the 204 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: breakdowns between crossbow and bow. But a lot of a 205 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: lot of passionate bow hunters in this state, and we 206 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: have the third highest number of bucks killed per square 207 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: mile in the country with archer equipment, I think if 208 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: I remember that correctly, is the number of bow hunters? 209 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: Is that number going up or down? I haven't seen 210 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: a trend on that. I would guess it's probably parallels 211 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: the overall What are they attributing? I know it's a 212 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: host of things, and I kind of already know that 213 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: it's unanswerable. But what are your insights? What are they 214 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: attribute What are they attributing to the um the number decline? 215 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: Have you seen the number of like the total number 216 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: of people like that compared to ours spent a field? 217 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: Is it like? Are we losing the like are we 218 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: losing a lot of like the Lamo weekend? One weekend 219 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: a year? Dudes? Are we losing like the hardcores? Like? 220 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: Who are we losing? So I haven't seen data as 221 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: far as that. I can make some assumptions because you 222 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: can stay lame o, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah, 223 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: that's a horrible word choice. That's one of those things 224 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: you say in life, the one of these yeah, week 225 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: like a warrior of the weekend, a guy who likes 226 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: what what's happening? Basically is that and this is kind 227 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: of the thing you're seeing across the entire nation is 228 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: that there was this very large group of baby boomers 229 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: that came in and for a number of different reasons, 230 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: took on hunting very popular within that demographic, and that 231 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: group has just been aging. So if you look at 232 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: the curve of hunting participation by age, you know, twenty 233 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: years ago you saw like thirty or forty year olds 234 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: or whatever that Brackett was, that was our highest chunk 235 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: of hunters. And then is you look for ten years 236 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: that Brackett just moves further down, and now we see 237 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: our highest participation of hunters are in that like fifty 238 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: four to seventy rangers, high sixties. And so what's happening 239 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: is that your number of hunters every year, retained hunters 240 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: is dropping off because I can't remember that the age 241 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: of seventy or seventy two or somewhere around there. Um, 242 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: there's a very hard line where participation usually starts to 243 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: dramatically drop off people aging out. So we've got we've 244 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: had a very large segment of the hunting community that's 245 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: aging out and that's not being filled back in at 246 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: the top of the funnel with younger hunters. Another interesting Michigan. 247 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: Thing is that I saw data from two thousand through 248 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: fifty team that showed the number of new hunters coming 249 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: in if some might remember that back in twelve thirteen, 250 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: somewhere around there were encouraged because there were some new 251 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: numbers that showed across the nation hunting participation was up 252 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, so that was kind of a 253 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: reason to celebrate. Well, this data showed in Michigan that 254 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: the number of new hunters is still actually going down. 255 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: So we're ore ore our three you know, attempts, recruitment, retention, etcetera. Um, 256 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: maybe we're at least from twos in thirteen and fifteen 257 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: was moving the wrong direction, which was not pective here. 258 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: Like trend Yeah, so like the hun's gonna get Michigan 259 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: Hun's gonna get better and better. It depends on how 260 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: you're looking at it. I guess they're looking if you 261 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: want less less pumpkins in the woods, yeah, which I mean, 262 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: like selfishly, would I like it if there's fewer people. 263 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: It would be nice for my own personal hunting, But 264 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: for the long it's not. It's not what you want 265 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: as long as it's like it might feel immediately beneficial, 266 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: but there's Uh, there's a long term play that some 267 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: people feel that long term play becomes compromised exactly. Okay, Uh, 268 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: if you had to hit Michigan and one word and 269 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: it can't be a hand gesture, Michigan is a single word, 270 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: what would the word be? Do I go first? I 271 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: can go first? You're not ready? Can let you guys? 272 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: Give you some time? Okay, I call a second all right, 273 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: I think someone else might take I'm gonna now, I'm 274 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: picking this where net because I've been gone now for 275 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: twenty years, but I'm gonna go with green, green, green? 276 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: What's sense? That's true? Man? What sense? That's a good point, 277 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: just like the color like color. Yeah, because being in 278 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: the last men, you don't realize you're throwing off here, 279 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: how green and how jungle like this foliage is. When 280 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: I come back now in the summer, we're not just 281 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: going driving down these boulevards that you know, giant overhanging oaks, 282 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, the big giant leaves, and it's just so green, 283 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 1: and you know, I feel it in my soul. When 284 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: I was spending a lot of time out in Matt's 285 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: Neck of the Woods out in eastern Montana, I would 286 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: come here and be struck by the foliage. But then 287 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: it was cool. But then, like I lost that buzz 288 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: kind of living in the Pacific Northwest. But I think 289 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: it'll come back now. Yeah. Like to look from an 290 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: airplane and just see that line of leaves, Man, it's reassuring. 291 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: But God's bleak in the winter. H not today. It 292 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: was beautiful today. I thought you were saying we're green, 293 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: like a bunch of new hunters. I didn't really pictures 294 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: the land carpeted in cash um a bunch of marijuana 295 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: growing into the wood. What do you got, Marke that 296 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: did just become legalized? Um tradition? Tradition? Yeah, I think 297 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: I look at Michigan and I see a estate filled 298 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: with a lot of passion for the tradition. Funding and 299 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: then also so I'd say it's like the macro level tradition. 300 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: But then also personally, you know, when I think of 301 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: Michigan hunting, it's the tradition of my family, deer camp 302 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: and spending time with family in those those moments. Everyone, 303 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: everyone up here except Ronnie was born Great State of Michigan. No, 304 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: that's not true. I was born in Hinsdale. You were 305 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: how old when you moved to Michigan two months about 306 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: that that? Yeah, that's right. Where was that where Kinsdale, 307 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: Illinois suburb? I was both born in Indiana with Indiana 308 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: Oh never mind, I thought I was. I thought, like, man, 309 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: but everybodys up here is a faker sands plans. How 310 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: do they say that formative yearsatiformative? We've all spent former 311 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: years here. I got more Michigan laid up right here 312 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: than you boys. Um Man, what do you got? One word? Man? Like? 313 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: So I thought about this when you asked this question earlier, 314 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: and like I kind of don't want to say what 315 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: I was thinking, but like I want to stay adorable adorable, 316 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: but like, but like I have to describe what I 317 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: mean when I say that, because it's because you got 318 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: to be like a special dude to use the word 319 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: a door, right exactly. I was like, like, what's he 320 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: talking about? Adorable? Anyone kick his ass? Like no, Like, 321 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like it's like it's adorable. Yeah, it's like 322 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: it kind of plays off that tradition. It's like this, 323 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: like it's like, you know, it's complex, it's got all 324 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: these things, all the seasons, like the big city of 325 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: the small city that like the urban like it's got 326 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: all of that. It's kind of like Norman Rockwell adorable 327 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: sort of like sense to it, but yet like it's 328 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: also kind of a qualifier for like bigger state stuff. 329 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: Like it's a qualifier like for moving tom On Town. 330 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: It's a qualifier for last it's got you know, you 331 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: can fish salmon here. You know you can't fish that 332 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: in many states. So in the you know, Colstalt states, 333 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: there's a big game here. Like, so it's got a 334 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: little bit of everything. So that was kind of adorable. 335 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: Makes me want to panic because I can't come up 336 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: with a word. The only thing I could think of 337 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: is from moving from Illinois to here is uh, Yanni 338 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: actually stole mine. I was gonna go green. You were 339 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna roll with green. Yeah, I was thinking green because 340 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: that's what I thought of when I came here. You know, 341 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: Illinois a prairie state. We got trees, but they're in 342 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: the city. And uh so, I guess the only thing 343 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: I can think of destruct me from coming here as 344 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: a kid is just water, like all the different kind 345 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: you got waterfalls, great lakes, little lakes, swampy lakes, duck ponds, 346 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: every just water, frozen water, lots of hard water. Yeah, 347 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: hard water. Yeah, that's all I can come up with. 348 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: My mind was the is the adjective form of water 349 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: watery water? Nice going Illinois brother better than the reason 350 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: I even asked that question is the uh. I was 351 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: talking to the writer Ian Frasier one time and he like, 352 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: really he's from Ohio, but really like to talk about 353 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: me being from Michigan. And he said, one day we 354 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: were talking about Michigan, and he said, you know, when 355 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: I think of Michigan, I always sick of people that 356 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: I met on the boss who would say fuckers honorable. 357 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: I've ever been like, that's true that I thought that 358 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: was being on a bus elementary school. But that is 359 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: how we say that. Up. I just said it. So 360 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: that's six in my head. I can't get it out 361 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: of my head. Um okay, now another Michigan thing real quick. Um. 362 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: You could pick, and I gotta warn you about this. 363 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: You can pick your favorite Uncle Ted or Uncle Bob's song, 364 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: but you'll get one of each. You can do one 365 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: of each, but I think it'd be too long because 366 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: I'd be like twelve tunes. I think you should go one. 367 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: It could be either Uncle Bobby or Uncle Teddy. I 368 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: tried to talk Matt and to bring in his guitar 369 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: to play a little bit of every favorite song and 370 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: the seeker ones. You'd be all over some of them. 371 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: But he was intimidated. He was intimidated by certain other 372 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: tunes that you were like, are too complex. Yea, So 373 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: he did not bring the guitar. I can't, I can't shred. 374 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: Can you do like a like if someone says the 375 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: song you able to like helmet? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So, 376 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: because because these are like things I think, like foundational 377 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: Michigan music. And I know there's newer versions, but I'm 378 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: just dating myself here, but this was old music when 379 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: I was a kid. Uncle Bobby, you know, picture yourself, 380 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: Marty raising your hand. Yeah, I call I call it 381 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: nugent song because I don't. I don't think I could 382 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: name a singer song. Dude, Come on, this guy, Mark 383 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Kenyon is the only man I've ever met in my 384 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: life who identifies can I do it to you? Like 385 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: it's almost like the name that shall not be spoken. 386 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Musicians Mexico. With 387 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: a long conversation, Mark like, actually, if you ask Mark 388 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: Mark likes. It's like they're like the fans each trying 389 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: to say he's not like my favorite, but Billy Joel 390 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: is pretty good. He also didn't see Jeremiah Jensen. Uh yeah, finally, 391 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm less shocked that he can't name a nugent song. 392 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: I got nugent. Oh, I think said Night Moves, No 393 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: Flow me Away my favorite news song. My favorite song 394 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: is the clichest song you could possibly think of for 395 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: this event. But it was on a CD that I 396 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: listened to every morning when heading to go hunting. So 397 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: on my Deer Hunting soundtrack, first track got me pumped 398 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: up every more and hand out see iconic fred Bear. Yeah, 399 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: oh that that counts. That counts, you can. I think 400 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: I can only name one of each, Like I'm just 401 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: not good at this game. I've never been good at 402 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: this game. But yeah, it would be Night Moves, Night Moves, 403 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: and I like it more now since you explained. I 404 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: used to just sing along, never really thought about words 405 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: and songs, sing along and dance a little bit, enjoying 406 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: myself feel good. But when you explained what that song means, 407 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 1: like it changed it. You know what actually is happening 408 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: in this Yeah, that one. Yeah, I would like that. 409 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: Can you explain it? Maybe just want one verse everything. 410 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. Yeah, it's about senescence. It's 411 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: like growing old and fade out. Woke last night the 412 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: sound of Thunder. They're like it strikes a man deep. 413 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: When you started listening to it, real heavy, how far off? 414 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: I said, and wondered, you could read it like a 415 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: Bob Service poem you got when you want to rip 416 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: out um, Like, I feel like I should go with 417 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: roll me Away because like motorcycles. But but I have 418 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: to go with um. The live version of travel Man 419 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: and the Brief Loser. Yeah, that's when when it kicks 420 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: at the uful Loser in the middle of that. That's 421 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: pretty good man. And then I do have a Ted. 422 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: I do a Ted song great Buffalo really yeah, that's 423 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: a good one. Yes, the B side too, You're not 424 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: like a big music but that was like, oh yeah, 425 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: the live version was the I'm not I never have, 426 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: but I have continually bought Bob Seeker c ds of 427 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: the greatest It's a Bob Seeger for the last twenty years, 428 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: and when they burned up, I throw them out. So 429 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: my daughter you can't he plays it that fast. I'm 430 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: on the road a lot, and I have instructions to 431 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: my daughter Jesse. At my funeral it will be accompaniment. 432 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: You will accompany me. That's I will cry if I 433 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: start doing the lyrics to that. Do it and do it. 434 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: It makes me. It makes me weep. Also with the 435 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: seeker theme, but mine probably would probably be a refugee. 436 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: That's Uncle Tom, which is not from here. But you 437 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: got you gotta admit that's a pretty good song. I 438 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: heard it. I heard it yesterday. Um, but really, i'd say, uh, 439 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: I can't pick just one. I have to go to 440 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: um and and one is as sweet as the other, 441 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: as savage, I'd say, in the sweet end its main 442 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: Street and then on the savage end, it's her strut. 443 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: Both those songs are are about you know, there's only 444 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: two songs I know of in this whole catalog that 445 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: are about how you say adult dancing? Yes, but you 446 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: this is a debate. I don't know if you remember this. 447 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: We used had. We had a like big debate about 448 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: what strut is about? Right right? In struct Uncle Bobby says, um, 449 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: I do respect her, I do respect her, but I 450 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: loved to watch her struct. That's what he says. Matt 451 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: used to say, no, no, no, He's saying, I do 452 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: respect her, but I love to see I love to 453 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: watch her strut. And we would argue about that endlessly. 454 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: And I hope that now you've given up it does 455 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: see a little little silly and retrospect. The problem with 456 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: all that stuff is like, oh, it's just like you 457 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: come back here, you hear so much classic rock and montana. 458 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: You don't hear nearly as much. It's hard to keep 459 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: up on it. But that stuff is so good, but 460 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: it just gets so old, you know. I mean, after 461 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: a lifetime of listening to it. If I wish I don't, 462 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: I wish I had like rock and roll dementia where 463 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: I could be gone and I could discover the new. 464 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that'd be good, because I was my 465 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: mind has been taken. Like with friends that you haven't 466 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: seen in five years, you'd stick get in your car 467 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: and you'd be like, he had that album in five 468 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: years ago. When I got in this car, Yeah, I'm 469 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: gonna my mind's already been taken. But definitely, uh, definitely 470 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: the older I get like the Night Moves thing, because 471 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: now that I'm like practically dead half way. It's especially meaningful. 472 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 1: But remember we had a conversation about Hollywood Knights when 473 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: you're driving. Yeah, like that's a good driving song. Makes 474 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: you want to drive faster than you should. Okay, so 475 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: that's your Michigan tune. If you had to do and 476 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: and Mark Kenny, I'm barring you from doing what I 477 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: think you're gonna do one Michigan hunting and fishing activity. 478 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: You have to pick one thing, one hunting fishing thing 479 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: in Michigan, and that's the only one you can engage 480 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: in and don't worry about like factoring out how many 481 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: days you can participate in it for a year. But 482 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: like the thing that is best to you. But you're 483 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: borrowing me from saying what I think you're going to say. 484 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: So I can't say dear him. You can't do that. Uh? 485 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: Is that for you in a really bad position? No, okay, 486 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: you can say it. Easy answer other than dear would 487 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: be turkey hunting Turkey young, send me get me after 488 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: the Gallerys Michigan Turks. Yeah, I probably had to go 489 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: turks to man. Yeah. No, I love my Squirreld but 490 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: really all but you really love squirrels. I really, I 491 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: really love squirrels, man, but those those turkeys. Man. Like, 492 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: somebody asked us recently about, like, which animals most challenge 493 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: jing or what do you love about hunting so much? 494 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: I answered because I love the challenge. And I feel 495 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: like I was um, I wasn't clear enough, and people 496 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: mistook I was saying that I love that just the 497 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: physical challenge of it so much. But turkey hunting really 498 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's not that physical, right like, 499 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: and and that's one thing I love about it for 500 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: looking at the future is when I'm an old man, 501 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: I can probably still be hunting turkeys, but the turkey 502 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: just consistently humbles me, and that's really nice to have 503 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: in the species. Squirrels have been doing that to me 504 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: lately as well, but I feel like they might have 505 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: a time where I won't be humbled by the squirrel anymore. 506 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: But like turkeys. The thing, you know, I love to 507 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: hunt turkeys, and they do humble you. But sometimes I 508 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: wonder if turkeys are hard because they get smart or 509 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: is it because there they're so unsmart that they become 510 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: completely unpredictable, right, Because if you really review it in 511 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: your mind, there could be two things going on. One 512 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: would be that he's cag Two it's just he's completely irrational. 513 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: It's probably a little bit of both. And you you 514 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: you mistake his irrational character because you'd be like, well, why, 515 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: like I'm making like these enticing sounds, you should want 516 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: to come over here to make love to this hand 517 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: turkey that I'm mimicking. But he's just so whacked out 518 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: there doesn't even occur to him to come do it. 519 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 1: If I could solve that, then that maybe would go 520 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: with it. But I have a different one that I'm 521 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: gonna go with. But it doesn't matter because the chess 522 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: game is only in my head. He's not really playing 523 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: against me, right, he doesn't know? Good point? Did you 524 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: did you we talked about four? Did you see the 525 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: thing the guy did where I was saying, if you 526 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: set up on a like, if you set up on 527 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: a roost tree a hundred yards away from the roost tree, 528 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: what are the odds of the turkeys calculator? Thirteen percent 529 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: of the time he'll walk within shotgun range of you, 530 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: which is kind of about right. Like just randomly select 531 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: the position in a in a circle around a rose 532 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: tree and there's a thirteen percent chance he'll pass it 533 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: in forty yards of one side of you or the other. 534 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's about I mean, I still 535 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: love what you're saying. Man, I'm that dogging on turkey hunting, 536 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: like I want to say deer hunting too, but I 537 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: think that I feel like like that's kind of like 538 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,959 Speaker 1: it's kind of goes yea from that. But I also 539 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: like I also like honestly like bouncing around in a 540 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: boat like bottom fishing, like wondering what you're gonna get 541 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: out there, like just like pan fish basket, like just 542 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: an unknown lake, like not knowing what's gonna happen. Like 543 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: I like that drop bait down to the bombom like 544 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: just like seeing what you're gonna get, because like if 545 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: your turkey hunting, you're like going to get a turkey, 546 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah, I love that, But I also 547 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: like going out through like kind of the unknown, like 548 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: what am I gonna get today? Like I like that idea, 549 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: like you're asking a little questions in the lake. Oh 550 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: well I can't really. I'd you know, i'd be hunting 551 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: grouse and have to hunt grouse. That'd be the one, 552 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: the one thing that um, if I couldn't travel anymore, 553 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: I could always count on Michigan for having a handful 554 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: of growse to chase. What are what are grouse numbers 555 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: in Michigan doing right now? Well, I heard a guys 556 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: say recently they do best in the years that end 557 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: in nine and zero, So that would be this fall 558 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: and following fall from here. So it's good right now, 559 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: it should be coming up. Yeah, we're hoping. So there's 560 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: no like long term trouble because like Indiana, like a 561 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: state endangered birden Yeah, Indiana is gonna listed is endangered. 562 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: It's not gonna affect us any but it's gonna be 563 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: listed in danger. There. No, it's it's dry. It's still 564 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: dropping off precipitously in every state. Like our grouse numbers 565 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: will never take what we took years ago, just because 566 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: changing timber practices. I think mostly, I think you know, 567 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: habitats like everything, habitats, habitats like location, location to buy 568 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: a house. It's always habitat. But you know, luckily we 569 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: do a little bit of timbering, you know, not enough, 570 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: but we do a little bit of timbering. But I mean, 571 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: you can find grouse even if it's not a clear 572 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: cut you can find grouse, and that's the one thing 573 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: I couldn't live without. I'd have to have that. Yeah. Oh, 574 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: I don't like this removing the sidebar of like taking 575 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: it out of the season like season like it. Oh 576 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: I had these guys are here shooting chicks and June 577 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: or something. Oh No, what I meant was What I 578 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: meant was you could like I'm trying to free you 579 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: from feeling like you need to pick a thing just 580 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: because you can do it for long, for many days, 581 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm 582 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: gonna stay with even though that's the case. I'm gonna 583 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 1: stay with perch fishing yellow perch because well, I guess 584 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: two reasons yellow for today I did. Um, there's just 585 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: so much opportunity. They're they're so good to eat, And 586 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: I just like the how egalitarian it is. You know, 587 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: you don't need permission. There's so many you know, it's 588 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: like every man's fish. Yeah, I'm with you. When I 589 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: was thinking about this guy, I think about a lot. Uh. 590 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: The thing I like most was something we only we 591 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: didn't do that many times. And I think that you 592 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: Matt Droles. You and our brother Danny pioneered it, which 593 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: was where Pendles Creek flows out into Pendle's Bay on 594 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: which is kind of like Whitefish Bay, right, yeah, Lake Superior, 595 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: and you guys this is in the mid nineties. Yeah, 596 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: it would have been nineties six. Yeah, you guys figured 597 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: out that you could go down there in the spring 598 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: those fall too though, both taking spawn sax with little 599 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: bits of foaming him, yeah, and hucking him out and 600 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: catching little dinker steel head. Yeah. We said, yeah, yeah, 601 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: it was amazing rise and just like just sitting back 602 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: and wait him to go off. Surf ye surf fishing 603 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: Lake Superior. And one time we caught a beaver by 604 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: the tail. I grab that. You know. That was back 605 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: when we would do something called we would call worrying 606 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: wildlife where you were just now and then detain a 607 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: beaver just for the story. We would send him along 608 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: his way after after worrying him. But you know, there's 609 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: a picture I have there's a picture I have from 610 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: fishing Pendals Bay, like surfcasting Pendal's Bay, and we were 611 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: down there, I think it was it was real winded. 612 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: I think we got done fishing and everybody was drinking 613 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,959 Speaker 1: Boone's Farm wine. And what stuck out, like what sticks 614 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: out about the picture and what sticks out about that 615 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: little brief kind of moment when we did that a 616 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: lot was that, remember it was enf It was a 617 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: handful of times of friends mine. It was like, I 618 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: guess I was hit the age where you're like when 619 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: you're when you're really young, you got friends, but you 620 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: don't think about them. That's when you call your body fuckers, 621 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, right, and like that's how you are with 622 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: your friends, you know. It's like costs that friendship much. 623 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: It's just there. It's just you just taking for grants. 624 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: It's the guy you accuse of masturbating. It's like you 625 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: have your friends, you accuse him of masturbating, you give 626 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: him the finger when you see him, and he's just 627 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: your main friend, you know, and you know that you're 628 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: like thinking, you know, like dog Dura says, You're like, no, 629 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: it's not a dog, right, So you're just together. But 630 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: then like at that this Pendle's Bay Day and I'm 631 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: thinking of was one of the first moments when I 632 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 1: whatever hit an age where I was like, my god, 633 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: do I like my friends? You know, and like away 634 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: and I have this picture from that day and look 635 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: at the pictures like this realization that you know, you 636 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,959 Speaker 1: do like these people, they're not just people to flip 637 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: off or whatever. One you see him and it was 638 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: like this kind of like cherished moment. Now always to 639 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: have this thing and I look at it and it's 640 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: always anchored in time because we would drink a lot 641 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: of Boone's back then. I remember we were fishing Pendals 642 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: Lake one time. That's so cold that our boons froze. 643 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: I was, I was in it rolls up as a syrup, yeah, 644 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: and then we would just do shots of the syrup 645 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: that came up out of the top of your So 646 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: my daughter. I took my daughter ice fishing other day, 647 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: which well, actually she asked me to go ice fishing, 648 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: which is great, but then I found out later she 649 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: was doing it because she wanted to get out of 650 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: a babysitting gig that I didn't know she was asked 651 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: to do. And she's like, my dad's gonna take me 652 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: ice fishing, and then she asked me to ice fishing, 653 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: so that was like the whole stick. But then we 654 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: were on the ice and she was like, you've been 655 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: out ice fishing for a whole day. And I was 656 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: like thinking about one of those pendal strips, like, oh yeah, 657 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: Like Steve and I used to go out and like, man, damn, 658 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: we go out all day long, cook out the ice, 659 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: like left the Boone's farm part out, but like and 660 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: she had She's like she was very like that would 661 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: be fun. I'm like and I was kind of like 662 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: just when you said, I was thinking like yeah, and 663 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 1: that was Those are good times, man, those are good friends, 664 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: like just like all day long on that lake. You 665 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: somehow I don't recognize that when it's happening. It was 666 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: fun as times, man. Okay, moving on to cross bows. 667 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: Uh why Like cross bows are super controversial all of 668 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: a sudden. Man, I'm gonna be the guy here that's 669 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: an opponent of cross bows like them. I'm going out 670 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: so with my daughter and like with the there's a 671 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: youth hunt that takes place earlier in the season and 672 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: on public land. You can't use a rifle. This is 673 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: this is all correct, right, I'm saying this correct. And 674 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: so be northern like Grand Travers like Travis County, like 675 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 1: you can't use a a youth can't use a rifle 676 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: in public land during that early season hunt. I've never 677 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: been up there for that. I'll buy that. That's right, 678 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: doesn't that sound right? So anyhow, so it was time 679 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: for me to get a new bowl. And she was 680 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: like eight or eight ish, and so I was starting 681 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: to take her hunting. I was so was kind of 682 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: true figuring like what could I like, what could I like, 683 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: I can invest in the new bowl for me? You know, 684 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: I could buy this like cross bow that she I 685 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: can both use. It's like universe And she was into hunting, 686 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: but she was like she was still nervous about like 687 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: gun shots, and it's kind of like a like a 688 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: like a gateway drug into that. I guess, like this 689 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: cross bow, I'm with you. And she loved it and 690 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: like I kind of bought it. I was like for her, 691 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: But now I use it. It's great, Like I love it. 692 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: And you know, there's always talks about like you take 693 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: these like fire shots, and it's it's you know, it 694 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: may just be how I view it. And now high 695 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: high hunt, but I haven't taken a shot with that 696 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: thing that I would not have taken with a bow, 697 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: Like I don't like, you know, it's it's you shoot it. 698 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: You can see that bolt still moving, so it's not 699 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: like it's rifle, you know, quality of like taking an 700 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: eight yr shot. You know, if you shoot a bow, 701 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: you know, you know you get let's do that that 702 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: jumped the string or whatever, and like you know, move quickly, 703 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: So you always got that in mind. So any like 704 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: fire shot, like I always had that in mind. So 705 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: I just make sure it's like a normal bow shot 706 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: and take it with that that crossbow and you're having success. Yeah, 707 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: you've a shot one mark. I have shot crossbows, never 708 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: had an animal, but my dad used a crossbow, Grandpa 709 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: used one back in the day. I don't have a 710 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: problem with him. I understand why some people see there 711 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: being ethical questions around long shots, or why some people 712 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 1: don't like the idea of a bunch of people describbing 713 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: a crossbow and heading out during their cherished archery season. 714 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: But who's I mean, who's drawing these lines and what's 715 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: okay what's not. You could have a traditional archers say well, 716 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be taking your crossbow, but I think it's 717 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: also like you put a lot of stock in and 718 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: just like hunting is so much more than like that 719 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: that piece of equipment that you use. I think you know, 720 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: so you put all those like stocking like hunting is 721 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: just like if you're using a bow or crossbow, that 722 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: that makes your breaks whether or not you're like an 723 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: ethical hunter or like enjoying the hunt. When you just 724 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: talking about like you know, like the like the numbers 725 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: of bow hunters are declining like that, it's probably not 726 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: good for hunting. And and that's my yes, sir, I 727 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: don't say the biggest reason why I'm okay with crossbows 728 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: is simply because of that trend. Anything that's going to 729 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: help people stick around in the hunting participating population longer, 730 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be okay with. And that's something that a 731 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: is easier for new hunters pick up. So if we 732 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: want to make it easier for new folks to get 733 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: into deer hunting and try archery hunting, it's a whole 734 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: heck of a lot easier for someone who maybe is 735 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: interested in eating local food, some guy who's twenty five 736 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: and is intrigued by the food aspect of it. It's 737 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna be really hard to get that person right at 738 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: the gate shooting a vertical bowl, but give him a crossbow. 739 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,479 Speaker 1: Shame for kids like I bought it for my daughter, 740 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: and I think that's a good like kind of entry 741 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: level like piece of equipment for you know, you know 742 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: if she if she pursues it more than then we 743 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: will buy you know, a decent bowl. But like there's 744 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of like a way to get her to stay 745 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: out in the words with me and like kind of 746 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: be engaged in her own and she can use it. 747 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I didn't know how I felt 748 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: about when the first unseen and then I you know, 749 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: thought about it in boss this and I'm happy with it. 750 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a good, good, good thing. Like I advocate, 751 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: Like if there's someone who got into hunting picked up 752 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: a crossbow and that's what they started with and they 753 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: liked it, I would tell that person, just from my 754 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: own personal experiences, if you like that, you would really 755 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: love trying a time like there's a it's a it's 756 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: another level, it's a different experience. It requires another totally 757 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: different level of time and energy and expertise, but it 758 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: makes that experience a little bit different, a little bit 759 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: more intimate in some way. What if instead they say 760 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: this was great, but now have you seen these things 761 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: that shoot the bolts out of what looks like a 762 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: rifle ball guns. Yeah, what did they say? You know what? 763 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: This thing just shoots the arrow too right guarded as 764 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: a gun or a boat. We haven't decided yet. I mean, 765 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: can I use this during archery season? I understand there's 766 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: gotta be a long a line drawn somewhere, and I 767 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: agree that's that's a tough question answer. You know. It's 768 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: interesting is that, for whatever reason, when I look at that, 769 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: my guts like, oh no, that should not be used. 770 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: But then when you start thinking about why, why, where's 771 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: the Maybe there's some mechanical thing within that the then 772 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: you we can point to say if it has this 773 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,800 Speaker 1: mechanism that propels the bowl to the eraw, then it 774 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 1: can qualify as archery. But if it's compressed gas or 775 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,359 Speaker 1: something like that, I don't know. Um. You know, our 776 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: dad was involved because he started bowl hunting very early, 777 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: and he was involved with groups that were early on 778 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: petitioning states to create archery seasons, which at the time 779 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 1: was very controversial for many of the same reasons that 780 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: people point to controversies around cross balls. People didn't want 781 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,760 Speaker 1: to have archery seasons because I was gonna destroy deer hunting. 782 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. But then so he was involved in 783 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: that in the fifty's and then was vehemently opposed to 784 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: crossbows for the same set of reasons that he battled against, 785 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, to to try to bring in archery seasons. 786 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I've never I've never shot once, so I 787 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: don't really have This is just something I'm trying to 788 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: look at and figure out. I had a guy, right, 789 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, you know, efficacy rates don't really 790 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: go up with crossbows, but it's only because inexperienced hunters 791 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: use them. He's if the real hard hitters, if the 792 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: real hard hitters were using them, it'd be like game 793 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: over from his perspective, like the real lifelong hard hitters 794 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,720 Speaker 1: switch to that would be like they'd be exceptionally deadly. 795 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know the instincts, Matt. I don't know. 796 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't have an ethical position on it. 797 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: My own state were I hunt, and I'm very selfish 798 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,959 Speaker 1: about like I like there to be a few people 799 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: as few people in areas as possible. I would I 800 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 1: would completely selfishly hope they don't have crossbows because it 801 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: seems like it would turn into more people being do 802 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: you think more people like, do you think people that 803 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: didn't hunt Austin started hunting because crossbows came on the scene. 804 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely you think, so, I'm or rifle hunters. I could. 805 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: That's what it comes to mind me, is that a 806 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: rifle hunter be like, oh no, I can hunt with 807 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: this thing. And I think the whole question comes down 808 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: to which way do you look at things? Do you 809 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: look at that from the perspective of do you want 810 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: more hunters or do you want fewer hunters? Do you 811 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,320 Speaker 1: want fewer hunters because it's going to lead to a 812 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: better experience for you personally, then you probably want to 813 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,879 Speaker 1: crossbows if you are less concerned about your specific way 814 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: of experiencing the wild and what your hunt is gonna 815 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: be like, and you are thinking more about what are 816 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: things gonna be like twenty years from now my son's 817 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: hunting than that person I think supports crossbows. I'm on 818 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: board until Matt loses the opportunity. Once Matt opportune, I say, okay, 819 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm ready to move on. I want to talk about 820 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:14,720 Speaker 1: emotional support dogs. It's it's a good How many dogs 821 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: do you own currently? Five? Do you have any of 822 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,320 Speaker 1: them registered as an emotional support dog or even registered 823 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,320 Speaker 1: as one, like do you have an emotional support dog? So? 824 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: How it? Like, Matt, can you we haven't really talked 825 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: about this, you have one? I have an emotional support 826 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: course break down for me? Are you at liberty to 827 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,280 Speaker 1: talk about it? Sure? Okay, as long as the airlines 828 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:45,840 Speaker 1: some representatives, I'd like to I'd like to entertain you. 829 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: I want you to talk and I don't want to 830 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: get yourself trouping from the perspective of some of an 831 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,919 Speaker 1: emotional support dog. Yeah, well, because how is it? Okay? 832 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 1: Go ahead, no fish your question? Okay? Is it just 833 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: that you don't want to be inconvenienced, so therefore you 834 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: have an emotional support dog? Or do like? Just to 835 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: speak for your community? Is it that you guys are 836 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,359 Speaker 1: like all you mean I could do this and then 837 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,880 Speaker 1: just bring my dog everywhere? Is that? Or is it I? Emotionally, 838 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: I guess it's like, um, I enjoyed being with my dog, 839 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: so like I like my dog to be with me, 840 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: and I just so happened to like I I have 841 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 1: struggled with depression in my whole life, so I'm on antidepressants, 842 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,840 Speaker 1: which makes me eligible to get the dog. To have 843 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: Shifty be an emotional support dog. Is it more emotional 844 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: for you to be with? Is it more emotional for 845 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: me with alpha dogs? So it's really the only reason 846 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: I registered. I I saved a few hundred bucks on 847 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: airline tickets. But it's totally legit, right, And because she's 848 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: an emotional support dog, I'm allowed to like have her 849 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: on a leash next to me on the plane outside 850 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: of a kennel. But I don't want people. I want 851 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,320 Speaker 1: people to think I'm paying to take her, so I 852 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: put her in a kennel so they don't think them 853 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: they don't, they don't know him crazy. I gotta, I gotta. 854 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: I want to put the comparison to this because I 855 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 1: know people who have done this. Getting an emotional support 856 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: dog permit is like getting America a medical marijuana slip 857 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: from your doctor. The same as you say, I got 858 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: a headache, okay, here you can buy marijuana. That was 859 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: my doctor wanted a few days to think about it. Doctor, 860 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 1: So you don't, but you don't use it for because 861 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 1: like with bird dogs, to be great, right, I could 862 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: fly to Alaska with one and go ahead, Termagan if 863 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: I could tell him I was you know, I needed 864 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 1: a dog for emotional support, that'd be great. But you 865 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: haven't done it. I never even thought about it. But 866 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: I know people have done it. I know people who 867 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 1: have done it with a full sized dog, and they 868 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,439 Speaker 1: were afraid that we're gonna get caught because, like you said, 869 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to say too much, because part of 870 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: it's for convenience. You know you you love that dog. 871 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: You don't want to leave it. I don't think can 872 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: emotional sup four dogs be any size or do they 873 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: have to be any breath doesn't matter, could be a 874 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,879 Speaker 1: master for quirky, It doesn't matter if change your gears 875 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, if you this is so I think 876 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 1: that I get I get nostalgic in Michigan. What's the 877 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: thing from growing up that if you when you tell 878 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 1: someone about it, now, what what part of like some 879 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: belief system or thing that was typical or happened or 880 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,080 Speaker 1: extraordinary or whatever that when you tell someone that that 881 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: happened to you when you were young, it sounds the 882 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: most fucked up? Can I leave off like from from 883 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: a hunting perspective and just whatever you want they could be. 884 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: Go ahead, and you have a clarifying question. You said 885 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: us a couple of ideas that we'd be talking about, 886 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,800 Speaker 1: and I said, Steve must have put me up to 887 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: this one. You have one? Yeah, well, I mean, well 888 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: I didn't put you up to that. I sent the 889 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: idea to you. Yeah well, I mean but I thought 890 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: you you threw that one in because you know some 891 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: history about me. Oh no, because I have things I 892 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: can't tell. Okay, I have no, there's some things that 893 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,359 Speaker 1: there's there's some practices that I was familiar with. I'm 894 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,359 Speaker 1: talking about like in the sporting life that um now 895 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,800 Speaker 1: I just have to I would talk about them with 896 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: you downstairs, say, but not up here. This is just 897 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,640 Speaker 1: like growing up stuff things that you can't believe and 898 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: people nowadays. Yeah, I'll do I'll do mine, just to 899 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: set to get on talk. Okay, okay, because I got 900 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,359 Speaker 1: mine ready. I tell my I told my wife this story. 901 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,040 Speaker 1: I told my kids a story and they look at 902 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: me like they can't picture what I'm talking about. My 903 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: dad used to have a friend who would come over. 904 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,800 Speaker 1: Uh he was. He was a drunkard named Mr Higgins. 905 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: And I remember Mr Higgins coming over our house one 906 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: time on his snowmobile in his snowsuit. But didn't have 907 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: clothes on under his snowsuit. And do you remember this? Yeah, 908 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: and he took one of our pet hamsters and put 909 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 1: it in his snows suit. Wasn't a gerbil? Yes, snow 910 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,000 Speaker 1: a hamster put it? I think it was a hamster, 911 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: not a gerbil. I think, came back and put it 912 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,879 Speaker 1: in his snowsuit and let it run around while saying 913 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: I love that little critter. And it burned it into 914 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,279 Speaker 1: my mind, just Mr Higgins, how drunk he'd be, how 915 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: he'd come over on a snowmobile. And it's just like 916 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 1: and I probably even messed the parts of it up. 917 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: But when I tell people, I don't know why. I 918 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: was just like one of the stories that's in my repertoire. 919 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 1: And it's gotten to be that these people used to laugh. 920 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,600 Speaker 1: And now I tell people who look at me like, 921 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: you can't be telling me this. But guy wouldn't like now, 922 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,359 Speaker 1: if he were to try to do that, he would 923 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,720 Speaker 1: burn up in flames or something over Like, guys don't 924 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,279 Speaker 1: show up dress that way drunk on snowmobiles anymore. Right, 925 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: it's just, for whatever reason, something in the air not accepted. 926 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,280 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take liberty because you know the story. 927 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: Matt probably does, and me being the old guy here, Um, 928 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing is like this is the 929 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: greatest this is the greatest thing in the world. It's not. 930 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't when you were growing up. But I want 931 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,840 Speaker 1: to pressace it with when I was a kid. You know, 932 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm sixty one years old. We literally got out of 933 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: the house in the morning and left and we lived 934 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: in the city of Chicago, in the city and just exactly, 935 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just what I'm getting that is like 936 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: our parents didn't really I'm not saying they didn't care. 937 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 1: They just didn't worry like parents worried now. They didn't helicopter. 938 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,200 Speaker 1: And then that same thread, there was a policy at 939 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: the Chicago public schools that I hadn't I was oblivious to. 940 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: In eighth grade in Chicago went first to eighth grade. 941 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 1: You didn't have scoth You know where I'm going, all right, So, 942 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: like you get junior high here and I don't understand 943 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,080 Speaker 1: what just happened between you two. I just know the 944 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: story is I thought you knew about skipping from the 945 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 1: first and so I graduate eighth grade, like we didn't 946 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: have a middle school thing. So you go from this 947 00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: little school with one little gymnasi hamster in your junior high. 948 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,640 Speaker 1: No junior high. So you come from eighth grade and 949 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna go now with these 950 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: all these people older than you, and you're all your 951 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,480 Speaker 1: friends from eighth grade. Yeah, dude with five o'clock shadows 952 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, in sophomore year and come to 953 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,600 Speaker 1: find out and this is you can google this. It 954 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,919 Speaker 1: is a policy, was a policy until nineteen seventy six. 955 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: I graduated in seventy five. The boys swam naked in 956 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: swim class. Now I'm not we sat Now, I'm not 957 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: trying to steal the thunder, because no one's the thunders. 958 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: The thunders you have. Matt was there and we were 959 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 1: all up with the fish shack in Alaska, and I'm 960 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,080 Speaker 1: telling this story. You guys are rolling and Doug's not 961 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,200 Speaker 1: believing me, and Danny kild the only one that had 962 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 1: a signal on his phone. And Danny goes, yeah, look 963 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 1: here boys in Chicago's swim make and I'll end it 964 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 1: on that. But whetting At nobody knows. You can look 965 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 1: it up. And they say, uh, you know the you 966 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 1: know the swimsuits. If they weren't well kept and they 967 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,439 Speaker 1: were just dirty. I'm like, it didn't make any sense. 968 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,400 Speaker 1: I could go into too many swimming stories, but I 969 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 1: just wanted a picture. And I know it's like it's 970 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: like Pink Floyd's the wall man. It's like they're like, 971 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,880 Speaker 1: it makes no sense. It's just they're like, I want 972 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,640 Speaker 1: to make sure to cause this looks psychological damage to 973 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,920 Speaker 1: children as possible. Right. And the point I was good 974 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: before was our parents couldn't go to school. I didn't 975 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 1: even have parent teacher conferences nless you were, you know, 976 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 1: the kid that was in the hallway all week. And 977 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,040 Speaker 1: so if you become a home you say we swim naked, 978 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: your mom gonna go like you're going outside me back 979 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,880 Speaker 1: by dinner. It didn't seem to bother anybody that I 980 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: was also born October thirty, so I was like way 981 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:27,200 Speaker 1: behind the maturity scale when you were eleven months behind 982 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 1: everybody else. Kept looking in the locker for swimsuits. But 983 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:39,680 Speaker 1: watching everybody walking, looks like my dad gotta gotta think 984 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,360 Speaker 1: about thinking somewhere. I think I felt like I did. 985 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,840 Speaker 1: I had less on that. If you know what I'm saying, 986 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 1: So like you got naked and it took more stuff off. 987 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 1: I was more naked, and I to this day, I 988 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 1: can't swim a lick. I go opened the boat with you. 989 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: I got the one life preserver to just kids. Wedding 990 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 1: goes anyway, So I'm really I don't know, maybe I 991 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: ate up too much time. It's weird, is like at 992 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,600 Speaker 1: the same time, I thought everybody's running around those Rodney 993 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Dangerfield swimsuits like from that to school, like like the 994 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:30,200 Speaker 1: suit that was a little before me. But yeah, man, 995 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: I had nothing, sorry, any practices that. Uh. When I 996 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: was a kid, I listened to Billy Joel, There's some 997 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,880 Speaker 1: things are so embarrassing, s mart, keep it to yourself. 998 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Parents wouldn't let that happen anymore. Was it supposed to 999 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: have a Michigan twist or no? From our childhood? Oh yeah, 1000 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,480 Speaker 1: because he violated the Michigan rule. No, just go ahead. 1001 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,120 Speaker 1: And when you tell the story now, people kind of 1002 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 1: look at you like is that for real? Like you're like, 1003 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,640 Speaker 1: it feels very like you're dating something like another one. 1004 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell well, I I think I got something for you. 1005 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,760 Speaker 1: It's like when I tell all you guys about Latvian 1006 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: summer camp and went what went on there? You guys 1007 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 1: all look at me like I can go on and 1008 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,360 Speaker 1: on about the activities that went on there, but it's 1009 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 1: it's just like every other summer camp since it was 1010 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:30,680 Speaker 1: Latvian summer camp experience. No, nothing like that. Like another 1011 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: version of what I'm saying would be the remember one 1012 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,439 Speaker 1: time my dad rounding a corner and my brother, we're 1013 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,000 Speaker 1: little kids. The door swung open and he shot out 1014 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: onto the curb. So there there's like a couple of 1015 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 1: things where those safety belts, no child restraint seats, and 1016 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,600 Speaker 1: he's riding shotgun. So that's just different now, Like now 1017 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,440 Speaker 1: it's hard to pict your kids squirting out of it 1018 01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 1: fast cornering car. No nothing, you go, no, No, I 1019 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,520 Speaker 1: don't know if I have anything like that from mine. Yeah, 1020 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I kind of misread the question, what did you think 1021 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,680 Speaker 1: of men? I thought you were talking about like really 1022 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 1: inhumane things we did as kids. Oh yeah, that's what 1023 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,920 Speaker 1: I was saying. That must be okay to talk about that. 1024 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,840 Speaker 1: But now that I realized that's not what you're asking, 1025 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be okay, although it does 1026 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,680 Speaker 1: in't a kid, how things work different? Yeah, are you 1027 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 1: guys familiar with um mark. You correct me if I'm 1028 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: wrong on this. If if you like, if you shoot 1029 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 1: a high fenced deer, is it true like that deer 1030 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:59,600 Speaker 1: is non admissible into Pope and Young and Boone and 1031 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Crockett correct, that's correct. So we got a number of 1032 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 1: question record books for that kind of thing that there 1033 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,360 Speaker 1: are people keep those records, but not the fair chase 1034 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Boone and Crocker books like sci will accept it, right, yeah, 1035 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,640 Speaker 1: Sei and some other things. So Boone and Crockett and 1036 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 1: Pope and Young will not accept like a confined dear 1037 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,440 Speaker 1: from a confined area in the record books. But we 1038 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,320 Speaker 1: got a couple of emails from guys ask an interesting 1039 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:33,440 Speaker 1: question where the fish world doesn't have an equivalent. So 1040 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: some dude like, I want to get my story straight here, 1041 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:42,840 Speaker 1: some guy in Tennessee bakes a pond, has a private pond, 1042 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:49,520 Speaker 1: and basically builds a croppy in the pond that beats 1043 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,160 Speaker 1: the state record. Yeah, beats the state record by a pound. 1044 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,200 Speaker 1: That guy should be ashamed himself. And then it's like 1045 01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: this so ridiculous, But I f g A accepts the 1046 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,120 Speaker 1: what is it? The whole idea of having a trophy 1047 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,320 Speaker 1: that you like accomplished something well, and this other guy 1048 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,040 Speaker 1: wrote and Mark might don't know about this, I don't know. 1049 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to put it on you. But it's 1050 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: there's there's a guy in Texas who's managing a pond 1051 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,840 Speaker 1: and his whole deal is just to grow the next 1052 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: world record bass. And he says that this feller was 1053 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: actually influential in the creation of food plots to grow 1054 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 1: large white tails. I don't know if that's true or not. 1055 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,400 Speaker 1: It was last May that the guy in Tennessee raised 1056 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,360 Speaker 1: himself up in a little pond a new world record croppy. 1057 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,920 Speaker 1: So it's more about now it's like it's not about 1058 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 1: you're angling skill. It's like how good you are at 1059 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 1: fish husbandry? Eg. Yes, but that's but this is where 1060 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,160 Speaker 1: this is where it gets like a rich subject because 1061 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,080 Speaker 1: that's what that's what people's happened. Like. There's there's there's 1062 01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 1: the argument that what that like white tail hunting has 1063 01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,160 Speaker 1: become animal husbandry. It's become like like big time white 1064 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: to hunting has become more akin to animal husbandry than hunting, 1065 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,240 Speaker 1: which you know, there's sides to it, but this idea 1066 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:14,479 Speaker 1: that um that that that's infiltrating or permeating the fish 1067 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:19,760 Speaker 1: world and should an organization that the Tally's records, like 1068 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: the I f J is very strict, like if you 1069 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,600 Speaker 1: hook a fish and then hand the rod to me 1070 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,680 Speaker 1: and I landed, that fish is ineligible. Okay, you can't 1071 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,440 Speaker 1: gasp it all kinds of stuff, but you can basically 1072 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,080 Speaker 1: make a frank and fish. Yeah, as long as I 1073 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,880 Speaker 1: don't hand the rod to you. Right, it's the record. 1074 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:47,640 Speaker 1: It's it's like, uh, what is the goal? I thought 1075 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,240 Speaker 1: that it seems like the goal should be like that 1076 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: if you get a high score in one of these things, 1077 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,280 Speaker 1: that that's like emblematic of some kind of an accomplishment. Yeah, 1078 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,800 Speaker 1: and so it just it's two. I've always argued that 1079 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,360 Speaker 1: there should be one that's like for the score you 1080 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 1: get when you shoot something where everybody else can go, 1081 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 1: and that would be like the one that most people 1082 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,840 Speaker 1: would aspire to have the top score at. Yeah, like 1083 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,560 Speaker 1: you you've proposed the idea, and I've talked about it. 1084 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:28,960 Speaker 1: You've proposed the like the hunt purity score is a 1085 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:35,600 Speaker 1: different thing, different that's that's a that's a different animal. 1086 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,280 Speaker 1: But this this is about like if we're gonna have 1087 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:45,360 Speaker 1: some number that um quantifies a hunting achievement. It's just 1088 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:50,240 Speaker 1: be there should be one that's designated for fishing game 1089 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,320 Speaker 1: that was harvested where anybody can go. They have to 1090 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,920 Speaker 1: catch this like so this this fish is raised to 1091 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,320 Speaker 1: do you actually have to catch it like on a 1092 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,200 Speaker 1: hooking line to like qualify. Yeah, you know you gotta 1093 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,360 Speaker 1: then catch it you have right there. You can't net 1094 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,520 Speaker 1: it up. You gotta like catch it by certain Is 1095 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,280 Speaker 1: there any difference in that and making your property into 1096 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,680 Speaker 1: food pots and all that other stuff? I don't know. 1097 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm throwing so I like the fish out of the 1098 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,759 Speaker 1: pot in the backyard. Yeah. I think the bigger issue 1099 01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,080 Speaker 1: I had. The bigger issue is is even the idea 1100 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,719 Speaker 1: of applying or saying that the score of an animal's 1101 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,640 Speaker 1: antlers is indicative of some kind of skill that you 1102 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,800 Speaker 1: as a hunter has it all. I think that's where 1103 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,360 Speaker 1: issue is in general, that we're looking at this number 1104 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,760 Speaker 1: if it's not that well, I would say, I mean, 1105 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,439 Speaker 1: I'd say I'd say it's like always that, Like, why 1106 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,280 Speaker 1: else would you have a scoring system unless it's like 1107 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,720 Speaker 1: a way, it's surrogate for how long you're That's not 1108 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,080 Speaker 1: when it came up with scoring systems. When the Boone 1109 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,960 Speaker 1: and Crockett Club was started, they were keeping they were 1110 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,200 Speaker 1: trying to improve the records of Elbow to understand these 1111 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:06,800 Speaker 1: species back in the nineties. Well, it's it's coming along 1112 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the way, but no, it's important to understand that that 1113 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,400 Speaker 1: it was a way that you could It was a 1114 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 1: way you could look you can look at long term 1115 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:18,439 Speaker 1: trends of what the landscape was capable of producing. So 1116 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,479 Speaker 1: whatever became like, there was there was a way to wait. 1117 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,599 Speaker 1: It was like at a time, this sort of way 1118 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:30,800 Speaker 1: to tabulate and mark what what species were doing. It's 1119 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,920 Speaker 1: like when somebody tells you, yes, the inches of their deer, 1120 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,040 Speaker 1: they're not They're not boasting about what productive habitat they hunt. 1121 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,320 Speaker 1: I think the score can be valuable, is like an 1122 01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:49,360 Speaker 1: indication of like the rarity of an animal. Like I 1123 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,599 Speaker 1: killed the deer that scored higher than the deer killed 1124 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,439 Speaker 1: the higher score deer than I ever had before this 1125 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,639 Speaker 1: past year. Does that mean I'm some kind of great 1126 01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,960 Speaker 1: hunter because of it? No. The only thing I look 1127 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,120 Speaker 1: at that as, if anything, it's just simply I was 1128 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,560 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to kill a very rare dear and so 1129 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,880 Speaker 1: in my own mind that that's kind of special just 1130 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: because of how rare that animal is out there. But 1131 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,360 Speaker 1: no way do I sign any kind of like higher 1132 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,559 Speaker 1: skill let to myself because I kill the X dear, 1133 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,120 Speaker 1: and so and so killed so many lessones. Dear, But 1134 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,280 Speaker 1: you're drifting, But that's drifting for what we're talking about. 1135 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,720 Speaker 1: What we're talking about, like the thing with raising a 1136 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,520 Speaker 1: fish up in a pond is it's in a completely 1137 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,880 Speaker 1: controlled environment, right, So it's not even it's not like 1138 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,360 Speaker 1: you're taking on the idea that there should there be 1139 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,040 Speaker 1: like maybe you're arguing the idea should there be? Is 1140 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,559 Speaker 1: there validity to having a system by which we score 1141 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,720 Speaker 1: things with fish? Is just weight? You know? But this 1142 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,800 Speaker 1: is sort of like if you have like our normal 1143 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,679 Speaker 1: notion of like someone catches a fish, there's a normal 1144 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: sense of um, he got it, oh definitely, and where 1145 01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,920 Speaker 1: whereas others could not. I have a question because you know, 1146 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,639 Speaker 1: I'm not the big game hunter in the room. Okay, 1147 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,360 Speaker 1: but I gotta go to boone crocketad Okay, So if 1148 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Buondo crocketat or Pope and young was started to to 1149 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:18,720 Speaker 1: see what, how, dear were healthier, bigger, bigger antlers are 1150 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,640 Speaker 1: we saying in the beginning of Boone and Crockett, there 1151 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,800 Speaker 1: was nobody's name next to who shot it. Well, then 1152 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,519 Speaker 1: I go back with Matt's idea, Well, there's all kinds 1153 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,840 Speaker 1: of information about it, but it wouldn't be important to 1154 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,360 Speaker 1: have the hunter's name on it. Let's say, let's say 1155 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:37,320 Speaker 1: you knew that some county in Michigan, once upon a time, 1156 01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,600 Speaker 1: some county in Michigan used to every year. I'm just 1157 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna pull like a number that's not achieved. But let's 1158 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,799 Speaker 1: say some county in Michigan every year would kill twenty 1159 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,120 Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett bucks every year. But then you look 1160 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,120 Speaker 1: and it's been a decade since one has been produced 1161 01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,479 Speaker 1: in that county. Do you regard that as helpful or 1162 01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,600 Speaker 1: not helpful information? If I was a game hunter, I 1163 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,519 Speaker 1: guess I would find that as helpful. If if you 1164 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,559 Speaker 1: were a guy that wanted to deal with a big score, 1165 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,479 Speaker 1: yet to be very helpful, I think, But I also 1166 01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,160 Speaker 1: think it's telling. It's telling of something else. The fact 1167 01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: that some people abuse it or fetishize it. I don't 1168 01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,080 Speaker 1: think then means that the whole idea of scoring something 1169 01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:22,080 Speaker 1: is invaluable or invalidated because some guy is a prick 1170 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,080 Speaker 1: about it. So do you think this guy will go 1171 01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 1: back next year? Catch that croppyn't have the first and 1172 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:40,240 Speaker 1: second place? Speaking of fish, what health advisories on fish? Like, 1173 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 1: you eat a lot of fish, you eat a fair 1174 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,720 Speaker 1: bit of fish, fish marks, but not as much as 1175 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:50,760 Speaker 1: you pay much attention to health advisories. I don't. You 1176 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,800 Speaker 1: really don't. I really don't. It's it's trick like they 1177 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,760 Speaker 1: I don't, but I'd rather I didn't know about him. 1178 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:06,840 Speaker 1: That's yeah, I got nervous. I'll say that like I 1179 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,559 Speaker 1: I'm willing to trust. I mean, I live as though 1180 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 1: I trust the science emphatically. Like if there's there's a 1181 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,080 Speaker 1: there's a reservoir by my house that I fish and 1182 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,400 Speaker 1: says don't eat fish out of your more than three 1183 01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:25,439 Speaker 1: times a month, and I'll be like, okay, I will. 1184 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,479 Speaker 1: If as long as I don't eat four times, then 1185 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:37,519 Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent. You know, um, it's weird. 1186 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,320 Speaker 1: There's so much weird stuff about food. It's like though, 1187 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,800 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I know, I hear people talk about 1188 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,840 Speaker 1: that all the time, that pond um. But these are 1189 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,560 Speaker 1: people like friends of mine where I live that oh no, 1190 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,439 Speaker 1: there's that help. But These are people that eat grilled 1191 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,400 Speaker 1: meat and process meat like brats and stuff four or 1192 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,080 Speaker 1: five times a week. There's so much evidence that world 1193 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,479 Speaker 1: meat causes cancer. It's like undeniable. But they'll do that, 1194 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, So it's like That's one of the things 1195 01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: that frustrates me about it is when I was living 1196 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,760 Speaker 1: in Seattle, we had a great yellow perch fishery. No 1197 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,120 Speaker 1: one would touch it because everyone knows about this thing 1198 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,479 Speaker 1: that you weren't supposed to eat more than like some 1199 01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,559 Speaker 1: number of months. But like, weren't you just ship faced 1200 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,920 Speaker 1: the other night? Ask your doctor? How often should I 1201 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:36,080 Speaker 1: get so drunk that I can't remember where I was? 1202 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:43,960 Speaker 1: I can't even not more than four times. I don't 1203 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,719 Speaker 1: pay attention to advisories because this box says the word 1204 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,600 Speaker 1: the serge in general says, quit smoking now because it 1205 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,160 Speaker 1: greatly reduces your risk of health. And that's not slowing 1206 01:14:52,200 --> 01:15:02,080 Speaker 1: you down, not a bit. Uh talk, Yeah, I talk 1207 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:07,240 Speaker 1: about what Parker Hall's perspective on it. His perspective is 1208 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,519 Speaker 1: if he was to be so lucky and to be 1209 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,040 Speaker 1: such a good fisherman for the rest of his days, 1210 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,120 Speaker 1: to catch so many fish that he would then poison 1211 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,120 Speaker 1: himself and his family from feeding them so many of 1212 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,280 Speaker 1: these fish. Then he will he and his family will 1213 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,400 Speaker 1: die happy because he was such a good fisherman. You'll 1214 01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,600 Speaker 1: know he was a winner. He he had a lot 1215 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:36,439 Speaker 1: of good days spent. Okay, uh, Mark, I hate you 1216 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,000 Speaker 1: another dear one being in deer hunting country at all. 1217 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: The guy wrote in Wonderuness you know how there's this 1218 01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:47,920 Speaker 1: commonly held perception, probably true, seemingly true, that when you 1219 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:55,599 Speaker 1: pressure dear they become nocturnal. They become increasingly nocturnal with pressure. 1220 01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,920 Speaker 1: You don't you don't like that? Yes? Is it a 1221 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,120 Speaker 1: commonly held perception? Everyone here would agree that there's like 1222 01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,559 Speaker 1: a thing like you know, deer under more and more 1223 01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,720 Speaker 1: pressure do more and more move last during daylight. This 1224 01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,800 Speaker 1: guy has a great idea that I think, Well, i'm 1225 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,679 Speaker 1: gonna tell you, Mark, I'm gonna give you a hot till. 1226 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,560 Speaker 1: This is gonna change the white tailed world. Why not 1227 01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,439 Speaker 1: go out on your property and raise Holy hell at 1228 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:34,640 Speaker 1: night all the time. I like it, and drive them diurnal. 1229 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:42,519 Speaker 1: It's very interesting idea. It's a great idea. Those deer 1230 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:48,120 Speaker 1: like bro I don't think ship at night. See you 1231 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:53,320 Speaker 1: see the people out here? I wait till that sun 1232 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,040 Speaker 1: is high in the sky, and then I go out 1233 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:03,120 Speaker 1: into that field and catch a bite. Changing lives. What's 1234 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:07,719 Speaker 1: that You're changing lives right there? That's interesting. And another 1235 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,240 Speaker 1: dude about white tails wrote in Wondering um, if you 1236 01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,800 Speaker 1: could buy the app through the liberal application of dough 1237 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,960 Speaker 1: and heat lure, you're in. If you could make the 1238 01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:25,479 Speaker 1: rut come earlier by by all the mimicry and making 1239 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:33,400 Speaker 1: deers think they were missing out, well I'll say this. 1240 01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if you could or not, but I 1241 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:40,439 Speaker 1: think that you could potentially instigated rock because I think 1242 01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:47,000 Speaker 1: bucks are can breed dose anytime. I think so that 1243 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:54,880 Speaker 1: they're always the only reason. Yeah, well people are that way. 1244 01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,519 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that perch oar. Well, yeah, but female 1245 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:06,680 Speaker 1: like human females are ready all the time too. But no, 1246 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,080 Speaker 1: that's a big thing. That's where they think. That's one 1247 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,360 Speaker 1: of the things they think drove human monogamy was the 1248 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,280 Speaker 1: I like a thing to drove human monogamy. That is 1249 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:22,240 Speaker 1: that there's no like one of human female is receptive. 1250 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,960 Speaker 1: There's no outward manifestation. It's not like a baboon or something, 1251 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,200 Speaker 1: but there's an outward manifestation and it could happen at 1252 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,960 Speaker 1: any point in time, it could happen throughout the year. 1253 01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:38,280 Speaker 1: So you didn't have, like humans to guard your reproductive partner. 1254 01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 1: You couldn't be like a deer and be like, I'm 1255 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,280 Speaker 1: out for eleven months, but I'll be back when the 1256 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,920 Speaker 1: action happens. You had to like be and it and 1257 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,320 Speaker 1: it's sort of and it sort of drove you know, 1258 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 1: like humans are kind of monogamous, and that's a thing 1259 01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:04,680 Speaker 1: that helped driving. I never heard that. But where were 1260 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,920 Speaker 1: you in this? Oh? Well, the white you're challenging that 1261 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,160 Speaker 1: a buck can. He's ready to go whenever. I know 1262 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:16,160 Speaker 1: that right that the rut is triggered by changing levels 1263 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,840 Speaker 1: of daylight, which then impacts rising levels into staster on 1264 01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,679 Speaker 1: a buck and estrogen in a dough. And so when 1265 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,960 Speaker 1: the dough reaches that certain level, which is triggered only 1266 01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,360 Speaker 1: by the change in daylight, that then we'll bring her 1267 01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,240 Speaker 1: into heat, which then will allow her leads to her 1268 01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,160 Speaker 1: standing and a buck being able to make her. Would 1269 01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,920 Speaker 1: a buck be able to do that otherwise? If you could, 1270 01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,599 Speaker 1: if you could somehow? Now, I think there have been 1271 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:47,000 Speaker 1: studies where they've put deer in control environments where they 1272 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,080 Speaker 1: can change where they can control photo period and then 1273 01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,920 Speaker 1: have been able to change the timing of breeding within 1274 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,760 Speaker 1: a closed facility on like lab deer. Basically, So if 1275 01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,280 Speaker 1: you could do that to a doll, but then have 1276 01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,840 Speaker 1: a buck just maintain regular status quo, would he breed 1277 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,320 Speaker 1: her if she was standing in April because she thought 1278 01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,360 Speaker 1: it was the time ago? Maybe? Um, but I don't 1279 01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,280 Speaker 1: think that. Psychon, I'm out with a bunch of snort 1280 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,720 Speaker 1: wheezes and about this, I'm gonna throw us something now. 1281 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,600 Speaker 1: Then I don't expect anyone to really know us by 1282 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,720 Speaker 1: know that a listener will know an email in if 1283 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,599 Speaker 1: you were to capture a deer, capture deer here a buck, 1284 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:31,160 Speaker 1: and in transport that buck to the southern hemisphere, how 1285 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,919 Speaker 1: long would it take until he was shutting his antlers 1286 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:44,720 Speaker 1: six months later? Now that it's a question, right, Um, 1287 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,320 Speaker 1: I gotta follow up for you. Oh yeah, go ahead. Um, 1288 01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,840 Speaker 1: if any of you guys ever wish that instead of 1289 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,519 Speaker 1: being year round like we have it that you could 1290 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,280 Speaker 1: switch like rolls will say a bowl or the elk 1291 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,880 Speaker 1: species have like a human run and just rolling like 1292 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,439 Speaker 1: you know, early to mid September and hang out for 1293 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:12,519 Speaker 1: about thirty days, fight and roll around a mud and tiss, 1294 01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,040 Speaker 1: get things done and then and then leave. What are 1295 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,760 Speaker 1: you gonna do for the other eleven months of the year. 1296 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm just asking if you don't make it during deer season, 1297 01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,040 Speaker 1: it would be like a wedding reception all the time. Man, 1298 01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,559 Speaker 1: It's it's such an interesting thought that we had. Never 1299 01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,639 Speaker 1: has a CCS got into the way we're in. It's 1300 01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,800 Speaker 1: just like this time of year when all of a sudden, 1301 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:43,120 Speaker 1: like everyone's gonna breed now. It's highly competitive. There's no 1302 01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:48,000 Speaker 1: sense of allegiances. Dudes who just like beat each other 1303 01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: to death. That's not gonna works. It's like five beta 1304 01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:00,559 Speaker 1: alpha and stuff like that. Right, Okay, one last one. 1305 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna play seeing through the bullshit? Uh, reincarnated? 1306 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:11,760 Speaker 1: Did I preview this one with you guys? Reincarnated? I 1307 01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,800 Speaker 1: didn't read the whole email, so I don't think I 1308 01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,400 Speaker 1: got this email. Come in. I didn't read the whole thing, 1309 01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,920 Speaker 1: so I didn't see the dude the email to us 1310 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:25,839 Speaker 1: about this, Oh you could be reincarnated as an animal? 1311 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:42,679 Speaker 1: What do you go with? Oh? Yeah, you did some platter, 1312 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:49,519 Speaker 1: Thank you? Mine is big old bull out man. Really, 1313 01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,800 Speaker 1: everybody trying to shoot out. I want to rip one 1314 01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,760 Speaker 1: big old bugle. I want to urinate down my leg, 1315 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,479 Speaker 1: freaking destroy some trees. Ship You don't care how bad 1316 01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,640 Speaker 1: I want juke some dude, like, make him follow me 1317 01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:09,000 Speaker 1: down the mountain for three miles. They just danish. But 1318 01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:14,160 Speaker 1: you like the last question. You just had to climb 1319 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,519 Speaker 1: a mountain and I even seal it. Yeah, it'd be 1320 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,920 Speaker 1: nice ripping the bugles. Be cool at sh man, do 1321 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:29,760 Speaker 1: your do your way far off elk bugle albody, get ready. 1322 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:38,080 Speaker 1: This is a bugle way far off where you're like 1323 01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,599 Speaker 1: so off you barely You want the kind where you're 1324 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:50,040 Speaker 1: like you can't even tell if you heard it. That's 1325 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,320 Speaker 1: when he barks at you. So you've come back as 1326 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,559 Speaker 1: the lab An eagle. You come back as a bullet, 1327 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,800 Speaker 1: ripping up trees and bugling. I'd roll flying squirrel man, 1328 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:04,519 Speaker 1: because have you ever won? Because I want like, squirrels 1329 01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,840 Speaker 1: are cool, but I want people shooting at me. And 1330 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:12,679 Speaker 1: have you ever felt the soft tummy on a flying squirrel? 1331 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:20,160 Speaker 1: It is un islmost like velvet. The most unbelievable picture 1332 01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,160 Speaker 1: yourself every night kicking back? Was it calling man? Just 1333 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:29,560 Speaker 1: like when you're you don't know when you're laying in 1334 01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,040 Speaker 1: bed and you and you and you're like you move 1335 01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,040 Speaker 1: your legs to get to a fresh zone or whatever. 1336 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Just the feeling of myself as a flying squirrel. Yeah, 1337 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,599 Speaker 1: you can get a little bit of that eagle feeling. 1338 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Every now and then I wake up and be like, jeez, 1339 01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:57,679 Speaker 1: do I feel good? Like I mean, I feel good? Yeah? Loon, loon, loon. 1340 01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,599 Speaker 1: Then you can fly, you can fish. People like him. Yeah, 1341 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,479 Speaker 1: I know what she say. You get to make that 1342 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,599 Speaker 1: cool noise out of the late fly out at night 1343 01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,559 Speaker 1: just over the head. You hear like making that loon sound. Yeah, 1344 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,960 Speaker 1: our dad called muck loon ship. It was like bad 1345 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:21,040 Speaker 1: muck deep muck. Was that that's a good animal? S 1346 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:26,679 Speaker 1: they probably live long. What are you gonna roll with, mark? Ah? 1347 01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,559 Speaker 1: I what a very different direction than you guys. Um. 1348 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking, like first, like a wolf, I like 1349 01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,560 Speaker 1: to hunt, But then I realized I'm not really a 1350 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,120 Speaker 1: pack animal. I'm much more kind of like a curmudgeon 1351 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,759 Speaker 1: that would want to sit in a tree by myself 1352 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,080 Speaker 1: and wait and watch mountain. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. 1353 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the game birds thing because that's 1354 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,160 Speaker 1: everything I do and um, so you're gonna live about 1355 01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:56,040 Speaker 1: a year and a half. It's gonna be a good year. 1356 01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,120 Speaker 1: And you know it's like why hitting some brush like 1357 01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,840 Speaker 1: there's like everyone knows, like technically in some cases geese 1358 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:08,880 Speaker 1: mate for life. And uh, I was telling you earlier today, 1359 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,120 Speaker 1: how uh bob white kaya will she'll lay your eggs, 1360 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,240 Speaker 1: get together with the male. It's fertilized her, you know, 1361 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,840 Speaker 1: bread with her, leaves him to watch the eggs, and 1362 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,760 Speaker 1: she goes off like my first wife and does it again. 1363 01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:26,400 Speaker 1: But the ringneck pheasant is I want to be gaudy. 1364 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,080 Speaker 1: I want to have a big rooster crow and I 1365 01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,680 Speaker 1: don't want to be I want to I don't want 1366 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,640 Speaker 1: to be monogamous in the next life. I want to 1367 01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,800 Speaker 1: be I want to have all the ladies and have 1368 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,320 Speaker 1: no responsibility. And if you're an elk, you gotta take 1369 01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,280 Speaker 1: care of all them women at the same time. That's 1370 01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,040 Speaker 1: just want to I just want to run around and 1371 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:53,040 Speaker 1: crow again. And all right, y honest, Uh, let's tell 1372 01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:57,920 Speaker 1: pull up who's coming the person my mom picked, Yes, 1373 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,920 Speaker 1: we do that first, well, and then that person because 1374 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,599 Speaker 1: they might pick the underdog. It's gonna be an hour 1375 01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,240 Speaker 1: until they get down here. It's gonna feel in it, 1376 01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,920 Speaker 1: and then we'll explain how how it works. All right, 1377 01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:16,280 Speaker 1: So the person that is sitting in this seat, if 1378 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,760 Speaker 1: you would like to please come on down to the 1379 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:23,160 Speaker 1: stage and you're gonna play seeing through the bullshit presented 1380 01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:30,920 Speaker 1: by Vortex with us. It is the balcony right center. Okay. 1381 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,240 Speaker 1: Does everybody know which section that is? If you're out there, 1382 01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:34,960 Speaker 1: it should say on your ticket. Okay, you guys know 1383 01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: you are in balcony right center and the seat is 1384 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:52,519 Speaker 1: M three. Okay, So here's how so are are We 1385 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,719 Speaker 1: wanted to do the game and our bodies of Vortex 1386 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,000 Speaker 1: help us out by creating a gift that we can 1387 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,280 Speaker 1: give out. Do I have all the right here? So 1388 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,439 Speaker 1: you get these here? Uh brands picketing new ten by 1389 01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:13,000 Speaker 1: forty two fiery binoculars, stuped up, stuped up high in binoculars. 1390 01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,799 Speaker 1: Well they got they gotta built in laser range finders. 1391 01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,640 Speaker 1: So as you have your binoculars and I'll carry a 1392 01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,120 Speaker 1: range finder. He's got the range finders in there, so 1393 01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,760 Speaker 1: you hit the button the range find stuff. We're messing 1394 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,920 Speaker 1: around and we were zapping. Uh. We we were able 1395 01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,240 Speaker 1: to range find deered over a thousand yards. We were 1396 01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,719 Speaker 1: messing around with these, So you get these for seeing 1397 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,800 Speaker 1: through the bullshit and playing the game. Now the game 1398 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:41,080 Speaker 1: is this. We're gonna tell you two. We're gonna tell 1399 01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,760 Speaker 1: you a thing that's true, but you're gonna have to 1400 01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,639 Speaker 1: pick it out from two things that are not true. 1401 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:55,800 Speaker 1: Where's the person? I think he's repelling? Oh? Are you 1402 01:28:55,880 --> 01:29:06,160 Speaker 1: coming down? Come on? Come on? You have a peak 1403 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:11,360 Speaker 1: for him? Up? Hop on up? Are you fired up? 1404 01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Or do you wish you weren't doing it? You're fired up? 1405 01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,439 Speaker 1: What's your name? Rick? Meet you? Hey? Can we have 1406 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:24,200 Speaker 1: a Actually you passing that chair? Thank you? I wish 1407 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,840 Speaker 1: we put rack right there anywhere, but let me put 1408 01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,639 Speaker 1: you in the middle. Right. So, Rick, you're gonna hear 1409 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,519 Speaker 1: a thing that's true and two things that are not true, 1410 01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,680 Speaker 1: and your job is to suss out the true one. 1411 01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,200 Speaker 1: You want to go first. You want to give him 1412 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,320 Speaker 1: the true one first. It's in with the true one, 1413 01:29:51,880 --> 01:30:00,519 Speaker 1: like like that Princess bride thing. Um. So I guess 1414 01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,760 Speaker 1: one of the I was reading about this and it 1415 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,599 Speaker 1: was published last year and the the journal Wildlife Management. 1416 01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,439 Speaker 1: I guess one of the one of the age old 1417 01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:15,840 Speaker 1: questions in white tail management is how they avoid inbreeding 1418 01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:22,840 Speaker 1: and UM, it seems like particularly president like with habitat 1419 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,400 Speaker 1: fragmentation that do you're getting confined to smaller areas and 1420 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,360 Speaker 1: there the populations you got these meta populations that aren't linked. 1421 01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,719 Speaker 1: So UM people have always wondered how they don't suffer 1422 01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:42,880 Speaker 1: inbreeding depression. So uh, these this group of UH social 1423 01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:51,960 Speaker 1: social scientists and and behavioral cologists from Michigan State took 1424 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:59,000 Speaker 1: some detailed observations took some detailed observations on white tail 1425 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:03,160 Speaker 1: does and it turned turns out that um, not only 1426 01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:08,960 Speaker 1: do they uh segregate from their first siblings and there 1427 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,960 Speaker 1: and their first and their male for siblings and first 1428 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,120 Speaker 1: and second cousins, like they become spatially segregated from them 1429 01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:22,519 Speaker 1: during the rut, but they become highly aggressive towards them 1430 01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,160 Speaker 1: when when they do encounter them. So I got because 1431 01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:31,360 Speaker 1: I guess the the male relatives are our our our 1432 01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:35,719 Speaker 1: keen to make like unlike humans, they don't mind because 1433 01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:41,519 Speaker 1: siblings but also first and second cousins. Yeah, did a 1434 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,000 Speaker 1: dough can detect. Yeah. There's a case study part of 1435 01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:50,360 Speaker 1: the paper where they talk about a few incidences where 1436 01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,519 Speaker 1: they've caught um. The dough is actually trying to nip 1437 01:31:53,640 --> 01:32:06,600 Speaker 1: off the testicles of Okay, that's dog right, dog rick 1438 01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:12,120 Speaker 1: the hell they get done. Mh, I'm gonna take you 1439 01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:20,040 Speaker 1: back to Okay. There are a couple of promoters around 1440 01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:24,040 Speaker 1: Niagara Falls and they get this idea that how how 1441 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,360 Speaker 1: they can raise up some money and they buy an 1442 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:31,960 Speaker 1: old schooner, like a barge schooner, and they figure, you 1443 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,559 Speaker 1: know what people would really pay a lot of money 1444 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,439 Speaker 1: to see is if we filled it full of zoo 1445 01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:42,600 Speaker 1: animals and ran it over Niagara Falls to its destruction. 1446 01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,800 Speaker 1: And so they get some bears, they get geese, they 1447 01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,439 Speaker 1: get a buffalo, They put dogs and cats on it, 1448 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,320 Speaker 1: and it doesn't really work. As the bears jump out 1449 01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,439 Speaker 1: and swim to shore, everything else goes over the falls. 1450 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,560 Speaker 1: It's rumored at the first creature besides the fish to 1451 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:08,679 Speaker 1: ever survive the fall over Niagara Falls was was a goose. 1452 01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,639 Speaker 1: And it's estimating the popular estivating the number of people 1453 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,280 Speaker 1: that came to see this happen is as difficult as 1454 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:23,280 Speaker 1: Trump's inauguration, but it's estivated. Between five and thirty thousand 1455 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:28,360 Speaker 1: people came to watch this menagerie that came to watch 1456 01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,000 Speaker 1: this menagerie of animals go over Niagara Falls to their death. 1457 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:37,200 Speaker 1: Best estimates put it at ten thousand people gathered to 1458 01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:46,120 Speaker 1: watch this happen. But you haven't heard the last one. Yeah, 1459 01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:57,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna readmind right out of the newspaper article. Last summer, 1460 01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,120 Speaker 1: a new Indiana state record law argemounth bass was caught, 1461 01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,760 Speaker 1: eclipsing the previous record, which was a fourteen pounds six 1462 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,519 Speaker 1: ounces basses caught by Jeffer Schultz, which had stood for 1463 01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,559 Speaker 1: twenty years on a neighborhood pond in Bloomington, Indiana. An 1464 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,160 Speaker 1: eight one year old Graham A Carol Lundbergh took her 1465 01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,880 Speaker 1: seven year old grandson Jackson fishing. She forgot the babe. 1466 01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,360 Speaker 1: Carol picks up a cigarette button and puts it on 1467 01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,000 Speaker 1: the hook. I guess you thought it looked like a worm. 1468 01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,040 Speaker 1: She cast it out, passes Roger, a grandson, and he 1469 01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,439 Speaker 1: immediately drags up a toad. The fish is certified, it's 1470 01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,960 Speaker 1: sixteen pounds eight ounces, and it becomes the new Indiana 1471 01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:44,639 Speaker 1: state record large mountain. Just last summer. What's that bull 1472 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,600 Speaker 1: That was bullshit? And you think that Steve is the 1473 01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:52,479 Speaker 1: true story? Like absolutely certain you got. You're the first 1474 01:34:52,520 --> 01:35:04,599 Speaker 1: guy to ever win. Man. Have you heard the story before? 1475 01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,759 Speaker 1: You never heard any before? You never heard that story before? 1476 01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:21,439 Speaker 1: What was it? The game of away? Good job, man, 1477 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,680 Speaker 1: work man, Thank you for coming up. Everybody else, hold on, 1478 01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:30,360 Speaker 1: what what what? What? We forgot something? Yeah, you're forgetting 1479 01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:35,760 Speaker 1: something very important. There's a giant merge table out my system. Man, 1480 01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,320 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. With that, love all you guys 1481 01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:42,599 Speaker 1: very much.