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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to another episode of Car Stories

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Speaker 1: with some Kan and Amelia Hartford. After having this conversation,

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Speaker 1: it just made me want to go home and work harder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got an exciting guest today. Pretty cool guy.

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Speaker 1: Co founder of Donut and then ended up leaving Donut

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Speaker 1: to start race service with some of his friends.

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Speaker 2: Not on need we talk about his love affair for cars,

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Speaker 2: but we got to share some personal stories about losing

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Speaker 2: a parent and how it changes his perspective and taking

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Speaker 2: risks in life and following your passion.

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Speaker 1: And I would say James's passion is bringing the world

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Speaker 1: of pop culture into motorsports.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take risks, follow your heart, and be well dressed

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Speaker 2: while you're at it.

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Speaker 1: I can only dream to be as well dressed as

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Speaker 1: James Kirkham.

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Speaker 2: Where'd you come from? James?

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Portland, Oregon. That me today my

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Speaker 3: house I live.

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Speaker 1: Really thanks for making the drive out.

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Speaker 2: First of all, James, let's talk about how you even

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Speaker 2: have the chance to work with f one. Could you

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Speaker 2: give us a little origin of Yeah, where you're from

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Speaker 2: Oregon obviously, Yeah, you know, and how you got to

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Speaker 2: where you are today.

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Speaker 3: I grew up wanting to race. My dad used to

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Speaker 3: take me to the racetrack, and I just didn't know how.

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Speaker 3: I actually started street racing, not that I condone that,

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Speaker 3: but at the time that was our outlet. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I got really into cars and and and kind of

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Speaker 3: quit all sports to go street racing. And I was like,

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Speaker 3: how do I do this? And so I started carting

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Speaker 3: a little bit, and then I didn't have an outlet.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't want to go to college,

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Speaker 3: so went to music business school and worked for Snoop

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Speaker 3: Dogg for a year.

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Speaker 1: What was that like? It was a lot of weed.

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Speaker 3: Like receipts for random things around weed Like like I

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Speaker 3: didn't you know. I was like just doing like grunt work.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so you moved out here? You moved out to

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Speaker 2: LA right after high school?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Yeah I didn't really. My dad I passed

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Speaker 3: away when I was seventeen, and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: in hindsight, it was the best thing that ever happened

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Speaker 3: to me because it gave me a superpower.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean, what do you mean superpower? Could?

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Speaker 1: I want to touch on that too? Because losing my dad,

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Speaker 1: I feel like, in a weird way that was one

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Speaker 1: of the It sounds messed up to say, but one

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Speaker 1: of the best things to happen to me, because I

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Speaker 1: felt like it gave me this drive that isn't something

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Speaker 1: you can really learn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like from that day forward, I like, for me,

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Speaker 3: it was like the reason to be successful was to

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Speaker 3: my dad's death, you know, like it just and it

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Speaker 3: also gave me like a really different way of looking

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Speaker 3: just immediately was like, Okay, detached, I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: Did you see it coming?

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Speaker 3: My dad died on a motorcycle. Really yeah, yeah, every

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Speaker 3: other and his dad died in a car accident, and

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Speaker 3: then now I'm racing cars like.

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Speaker 1: My dad to share was paralyzed on the whole upside

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Speaker 1: motorcycle accident. I don't know, song if you remember that

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, So we share that in common, and it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Do you still ride bikes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I tried to buy his bike, but then I

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Speaker 3: you know, I like hated them for like three or

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Speaker 3: Kattie as you do, and learn to ride, and I

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Speaker 3: that none of this really matters. Like it's a lot

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Speaker 3: less serious than we make it out to be, because

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Speaker 3: you know, when it's supposed to just be fun. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of been my like life's kind of mission

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Speaker 3: like twenty years. Oh wow, and I've just landed like

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Speaker 3: i'd look back and I'm like, whoa, I've really been

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Speaker 2: What is this deal of lifetime?

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Speaker 3: Well, so I mean to back back up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, I can summarize it all. I just

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Speaker 3: I was just constantly trying to make it work, and

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Speaker 3: I got involved with the Volkwagen Jetit Tdhi Cup. I

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Speaker 3: real estate. Faked it till I made it. I mean

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Speaker 1: So you went into real estate with the mindset of

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Speaker 1: I want to race, I want to.

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Speaker 3: Buy a race I'm want to build a race car.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it. Nothing to it

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Speaker 3: Nick Woodman, founder a GoPro. You know he he was

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Speaker 3: literally putting cameras on my car. But before the race started,

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Speaker 3: and it was like, who is this guy? So I

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Speaker 3: So I went to go pro and got to watch

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Speaker 3: But in the end, I look back on that time

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Speaker 3: So I then I spent four years traveling the world,

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Speaker 1: So you and Jacob had this idea for Donut Media

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Speaker 1: and at that time You're like, I'm ready, I've put

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Speaker 3: So landed the plane in San Jose. The plane is

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Speaker 3: It's what I said.

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Speaker 1: What was the plan for Donut at that time, Well.

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Speaker 3: We got to be a part of the first wave

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Speaker 3: we were making Ryan Turk and all those guys were

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Speaker 3: And what we did with Ken and what we got

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Speaker 3: And we knew that if we combined our forces professionally

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Speaker 3: And so Donut was built around the idea of branded

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Speaker 3: all about Facebook shares, so we focused on shareability. They

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Speaker 3: were focusing a bit on Jacob and I were like,

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Speaker 3: we don't know what this mcn crap is.

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Speaker 1: But It's funny you say shareable because when I make content,

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Speaker 1: a big conversation and the word we use is shareability.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people want to talk about the algorithm

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Speaker 1: and how it's going to promote this so that but

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the algorithm is the

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Speaker 1: audience and is the audience enjoying the content? Are they

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Speaker 1: sharing the content? So it's fascinating to hear you guys

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Speaker 1: using that how many ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say, yeah, I feel like if you focus

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Speaker 3: on algorithm, you're going to be owned because the algorithm

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Speaker 3: is always going to change. Right now, I think the

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Speaker 3: universe pays authenticity, So being true to yourself and being

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Speaker 3: you know things, it's fleeting, and life is short and

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Speaker 3: and we're really like being received right now. And I

437
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 3: had literally just walked in with a really rad group

438
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 3: of people that are like a couple of them are

439
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 3: on my team and then their partners and and I'm

440
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 3: just really grateful to be surrounded by so many good people.

441
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 3: And we're a really cavalier moment of time. And if

442
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 3: you're armed with this like freedom to be who you

443
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 3: are and surrounded by people that love and support you

444
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 3: and you love and support then yeah, it's like this

445
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,719
Speaker 3: layer of invincibility that I feel like, you know, I

446
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: know the time on earth is short, and you know,

447
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 3: I just lost the dear relative, and those moments are

448
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 3: moments of reflect what's most important in life, and it's

449
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 3: the people around me and the people that I get

450
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 3: to interact with and talk with. And yeah, it's this

451
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 3: layer of invincibility of like I'm doing things with purpose

452
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 3: and trying to be the best person I can and

453
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 3: trying to find grace for myself because I just I

454
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: run ragged. I'm constantly never good enough for myself.

455
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Speaker 2: You know.

456
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Speaker 1: I feel that yeah about myself.

457
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Speaker 2: Same same yeah.

458
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Speaker 1: Do you get nervous at all about you know, spending

459
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Speaker 1: twenty years of your life chasing this dream, let's say,

460
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Speaker 1: and then accomplishing it and you're here with it right now.

461
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Speaker 1: Do you get nervous about if you'll still be as

462
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Speaker 1: fulfilled after the projects finished? Or do you kind of

463
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Speaker 1: just like, let's expand bigger, better and continue to push on.

464
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Speaker 2: No, what are you chasing, James?

465
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Speaker 3: It's funny because I've been chasing this acceptance and this

466
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Speaker 3: freedom to race cars. All my friends are professional race

467
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Speaker 3: car drivers, you know, like a lot of them. And

468
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Speaker 3: I used to be bitter that I couldn't be that.

469
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Speaker 3: So I spent my life trying to be that. I

470
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: you know, gave it all up every time and time

471
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Speaker 3: and time again. I gave everything I had to it,

472
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Speaker 3: moved across the country, lost multiple relationships and a family.

473
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Speaker 3: You know. I just was committed to this, and I

474
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Speaker 3: look back at the people that I hurt along the

475
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Speaker 3: way because of this blinded view of what I what

476
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: I thought for myself, and like, actually, I'm already there,

477
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 3: and racing cars is fun and it's super super super addicting,

478
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Speaker 3: and that's what literally drives my life, the addiction. Let's

479
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Speaker 3: let's dive into that. But I'm trying to realize that

480
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Speaker 3: now it's about making a difference in the world with

481
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Speaker 3: this tool of racing. I get to go racing, but

482
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Speaker 3: I'm going to do it with a purpose, And we're

483
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Speaker 3: still working out all the details of what we'll do

484
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Speaker 3: with it, but we just came up with an idea

485
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Speaker 3: to encourage more women in racing, and we we want

486
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Speaker 3: to do a unisex closing collection. So part of this

487
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Speaker 3: program is a luxury apparel line, and so that's what

488
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Speaker 3: I've been focusing on for the last handful of years.

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Speaker 1: I love that because I'm just going to openly say,

490
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Speaker 1: I hate that pink is always assumed is the girl color,

491
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Speaker 1: and all the clothes have to be fit a certain

492
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Speaker 1: way to be women's and like, I weren't a baggy

493
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: XLT right now in baggy pants totally.

494
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Speaker 3: I'm with that, and I want to know we want

495
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Speaker 3: to help make motorsport more inclusive.

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Speaker 1: It'd be cool to get a bunch of racing drivers

497
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Speaker 1: to be the ones to model and walk down the runway.

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Speaker 3: That's it. Let's go.

499
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Speaker 2: But James, when you say like luxury brand, I worry

500
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Speaker 2: about that, like it becomes exclusive totally.

501
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: Our strategy is to use really thoughtful garments and design

502
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: and materials to make the best pieces of apparel. So

503
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: we use the higher end line to test theory and

504
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: to elevate brand. But then there will be a distilled

505
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: down version that doesn't sacrifice too much that will be

506
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Speaker 3: mass appeal because I don't want to alienate everybody. I

507
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: do want to be accessible, and we've never priced anything unfair.

508
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 3: And as long as we stay true to that and

509
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: keep line segmentation and in mind as we approach the market,

510
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: I think we'll we'll find the right success. It's it's

511
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: like brands like Fear of God and Essentials, and that

512
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: is like a perfect example of how I'd like to

513
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Speaker 3: structure our brand.

514
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Speaker 2: Essentials is a clothing brand for the people that I'll know.

515
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: And that's like my wife went in. She's like hip

516
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Speaker 2: on everything that is like kipping fashion. She's like fashionist

517
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: does she calls herself she loves fashion. Right. She came

518
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: home with an Essential sweatpants and she's like, yeah, this

519
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: is like a couple of hundred dollars. And I was like,

520
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Speaker 2: why are you buying this for me? Like please do that?

521
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: Do that?

522
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 2: And she goes, just just put it on, just try it,

523
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: like you're gonna be like more open minded, right, And

524
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: so I wore it for a couple of days, and

525
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Speaker 2: then she started seeing me like I'd go to the

526
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Speaker 2: gym in them, and then I'd sleep in them, up

527
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Speaker 2: in them, walk the dock in them. And she goes,

528
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: see that. The thing about why Essentials works is because

529
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: and look, I'm not promoting Essential or anything, like I

530
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: don't know them for shit, right, but they make great product.

531
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Speaker 2: It's like really well made. And she goes, yeah, you

532
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: get what you pay for, like you're actually sleeping in

533
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: them too, right, And I go yeah, so that's you know,

534
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: that's something that I support, is like if you get

535
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: what you pay for, and if it's like clothing that

536
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: you know has a ethos and then also you know

537
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna last like ten years and it looks better,

538
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: Like every time I wash these sweats, it actually looks cooler, right,

539
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: and and I'm sold, and I was like, oh, then

540
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: I was thinking about I go, this is why essentials works.

541
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: I thought it was just like some brand and it's

542
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: it's expensive, and it's like it's a perceived to be cool.

543
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: But the problem with fashion is that once it gets oversaturated,

544
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Speaker 2: it's not cool anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think we're in a place in society where fast

547
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Speaker 1: fashion has kind of become what's normal in terms of

548
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: pricing and listen, I understand it. It's great because if

549
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: you need clothing and you can't afford it, it's affordable prices,

550
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: but you wash it a few times and it rips

551
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: at the seams or it falls apart, and it's really used.

552
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: It got popularized, I think from Instagram and wanting to

553
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: stay on the trends but not being able to spend

554
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: the money. So a lot of people would buy fast

555
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: fashion in order to wear something once for a photo,

556
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: knowing that it wouldn't get worn again, versus finding something

557
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: that you're comfortable in, and that kind of slowly started

558
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: becoming the norm. It's like, I don't want to call

559
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: companies out for it, but there are some that are

560
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: more notorious than others for just crazy mass production, bad

561
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: labor laws in other countries and whatnot, just to get

562
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Speaker 1: garments produced.

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Speaker 3: It opens the door for people like us that want

564
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 3: to do things with ethics, you know. And I mean

565
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: everything's gotten crazy a little bit, right. The pricing structures

566
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: have gotten out of control, and hopefully we don't have

567
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: to feel too much of that correction. You know. I

568
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: was listening to Maclamore's thrift Shop and he was like

569
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: fifty dollars for a T shirt, talking about fifty dollars

570
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: for a Gucci shirt. If you could find me a

571
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: Gucci shirt for fifty bucks right now, I'll buy it

572
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: because those things I mean, not that I'm shopping for

573
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 3: a Gucci shirt necessarily, but they're like, you know, six

574
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: hundred now it's out of control. I mean. Essentials is

575
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: an interesting case study because Jerry Lorenzo is the designer

576
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: behind it. He was a wave of influence with Virgil,

577
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: with Kanye, with all these guys. Now Pharrell was kind

578
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 3: of the og of it all. He made a pair

579
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 3: of jeans that were one thousand dollars and I was like,

580
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: what I remember, that wasn't that long ago. I was

581
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: at Donut at the time, and I was like those

582
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: are crazy. I was like, they're actually pretty cool, and

583
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: he was like the guy who brought real rock and

584
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: roll jeans back, but they were like, really dope, They're

585
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: like and it changed fashion. It changed streetwear. It made

586
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: streetwear come from T shirts to like elevated fashion men's

587
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: fashion a bit, and it just started going up and up.

588
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: It's an art form, yeah, it really is.

589
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: And then the people started, you know, like getting used

590
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: to that price, and then other brands started following with

591
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 3: more expensive stuff, and you know, I bought those pants

592
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: and I wore them for years and it was like

593
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: the most expensive thing I'd ever bought. I wore them

594
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: for years and then sold them ungrailed for twenty five

595
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: hundred dollars after wearing them for like am I at

596
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: the time had a very minimal closet and I still

597
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: try to keep my closet as minimal as possible. I

598
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: think the best designers, like you look at Rick Owens,

599
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 3: who's an incredible fashion designer, and he has a huge

600
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: store with thousands of products, but his closet has five

601
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: things in it. You know, it's just intention And I

602
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: think that that is another kind of theme of time

603
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: right now. Is being intentional about how you approach the

604
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Speaker 3: way we live. You know.

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Speaker 2: Fashion cool is something that I've been trying to understand

606
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: for years because you see people that go, you know,

607
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: to Barney's and they drop like fifteen grand on a

608
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: wardrobe and He's and they show up and you go,

609
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: there's no soul to what they're wearing. It's like they

610
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: bought a bunch of expensive shit. Then somebody at the

611
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: store told him to buy right, or they open GQ

612
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: magazine and go, this is the flavor of the month.

613
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: I go buy that. Right. And then you meet somebody

614
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: that you know they went to like Goodwill, right and

615
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: dug up a load of shirt right, and they got

616
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: some like you know, dope ass kicks, right, and you

617
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: know they got some you know leviyes or Lee jeans,

618
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: and something about him just like it just exudes like

619
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: this again, this cool element to it, right. And then yeah,

620
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: and then you meet a dude like you know, like

621
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: working at his garage doing some like woodwork, and he's

622
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: just wearing a flannel right or Carhart kind of jacket

623
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: or something, or overalls and you know, some some red

624
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: wing boots and you go, that is dope to oh right,

625
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: And it's intention, like you're saying, is that, and there's

626
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: truth behind why they're wearing it. They're not trying to

627
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: pose right, And so I think, like you know when

628
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Speaker 2: I'm Today's conversation is teaching me is that if you

629
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: have intention and truth to whatever you do in life,

630
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: even your fashion, it comes off cool.

631
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Speaker 1: It's cool, right yeah?

632
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: And self love.

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Speaker 1: Do you have advice or things you've learned through your

634
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: career that you want to share with the audience.

635
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Speaker 3: I have a set how old does she know? She

636
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: just turned nine?

637
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Speaker 1: Time flies?

638
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's crazy anyway, teaching her things about life.

639
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: I have a limited time with her. We have an

640
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: incredible relationship and it is what it is like. I

641
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: fought it for a long time that we weren't living

642
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: in the same place, but I realized that when everything's perfect,

643
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: everything's exactly as it's meant to be, and nothing matters.

644
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: I'll elaborate on that everything comes true when you believe it.

645
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: If you don't believe it, it doesn't come true. And I

646
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: fullheartedly believe that, and that if you are true to

647
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: yourself and follow your dreams or follow what makes you

648
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: happy and fulfilled, treat people right along the way and

649
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: have pure intentions that it all works for you. And

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Speaker 3: at the time it might not feel like it's working

651
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: for you, that's for sure, But if you can take

652
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: a step back and remind yourself that it is working

653
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: for you, it all works out. Everything always works out.

654
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: And that was actually what my dad passing away taught me.

655
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: Everything works out, Everything happens for a reason. Everything does.

656
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: It really does. I think there's a lot of beauty

657
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: and the death. If you can find that, then then

658
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: it kind of teaches you that everything is possible, that

659
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: you can be anything you want and do anything you want.

660
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: It sounds easy when you say it, but it's hard.

661
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: It's hard to me. I go, you know, if you're

662
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: just a good mood dude and you're honest and you're like,

663
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, pure intentions and you work your ass off,

664
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: people want to help those people, They want to be

665
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: around those people. But it's funny how people just forget

666
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: these things right certain elements of it. They're like, you know,

667
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: they're assholes, m are they trying to fuck you over?

668
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: And you're like, and then they start complaining that the

669
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: world's against them, but the world isn't you created that wall,

670
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: like I don't want to be around the fucking asshole.

671
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: That's the other crazy thing that we don't even realize.

672
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: We're never taught that, like we as human beings carry

673
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: these stories around us that are only true to ourselves.

674
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: The story doesn't mean anything to anybody else in your life.

675
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: That person that hurts you yesterday, why would you carry

676
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: that into today? That doesn't matter to anybody but you.

677
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: If you can really understand that, it gives you ability

678
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: to be present. It doesn't matter what happened yesterday, doesn't

679
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: matter what happened the day before. It's a pragmatic way

680
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: of looking at the world, but it works. And you

681
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: carry the story of how this person hurt me, this

682
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: person did this, XYZ happened. The only person you're hurting

683
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: is yourself. Doesn't mean you departmentalize and detach. It means

684
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: that you you understand that that is what happened then

685
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: in this what's happening now, and that's what you can

686
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: focus on. You know, there's no sense in playing a

687
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: victim in your life.

688
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: I give you a little example. There's so many you know,

689
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: young women out there that are you know, pursuing being

690
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: an actress or whatever their career field is and their

691
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: dreams are. But when I met Amelia, the thing that

692
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: separates her or someone like her is that she did

693
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: such a great job of staying in touch. She's like, hey,

694
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm back in town. You know, let's get together. What's

695
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: going on with you? You know, It's like and then

696
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: we talked about some projects, you know, and then she's like,

697
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: what's going on with that project that I'm interested? And

698
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, when I was younger, I was taught you know,

699
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: people want to help people who help themselves and they

700
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 2: put themselves out there. And I was like, and then

701
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: there are people you meet, like you meet them and

702
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, you know, I'm not going to do

703
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: anything to help myself, Like I'm too cool for school,

704
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: So everybody comes to me. And I was like, this

705
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: is what young people need to know, is that go

706
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: out there and go fucking after it, you know, wake up,

707
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: like call people back, go email people, go, you know,

708
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: tell them this is my dream. How can I help

709
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: you help me? Right? And just and the rest of

710
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: it is you got to get up and you got

711
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: to go work. That's why, like you know, for me,

712
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: like I go, I use her as like a perfect

713
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: prototype of what it's self made successful woman today can be.

714
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean everybody that meets her, right, it's like she's special,

715
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: she's unique. I love her, and it's because she goes

716
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: after it. And so for the listeners out there, it

717
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: doesn't matter like where you come from, because she can

718
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: share her story and people who've listened to the podcast

719
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: knows like what she's been through. But she goes fucking

720
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: after it, right, And it's so it's almost so especially

721
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: in this country, I think for in other countries, you know,

722
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: you know, there's limitations for women and all that stuff.

723
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: It's fucked up there, but you can go after it,

724
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I look at her

725
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: and she goes she's going to be successful. It's not

726
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: something like if if she gets lucky. It's like she's

727
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: made her own luck.

728
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: You know, amen? Right, Yeah, you're living in your power

729
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: and we feel it, and it's it's it's a special

730
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: thing that you can feel when you walk in the room,

731
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: and it's because you're true to yourself and and just

732
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: just going for it. And to your point, it's it's possible,

733
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: and it's it's possible for anybody as long as they're

734
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: willing to put the right foot forward.

735
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, I believe luck is one hard work meets opportunity.

736
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing just happens. I mean, yeah, it's a pretty

737
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: pretty pretty special way to live. And it's and it's

738
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 3: a superpower that when you really understand, it gives life

739
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: a whole new purpose.

740
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: And it's not easy. Because when you were sharing your

741
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: story about how you left go Pro, you were scared

742
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: your heart. You know, you're like nervous because.

743
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: I've had many failures. I got so many failures. You

744
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: have no idea, Yeah, so many embarrassments. I was kicked

745
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: out of the first ever professional racing series. I was

746
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: on my birthday at my home track, really because I

747
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: didn't have a money for crash damages. My car ran

748
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: without me. My name was announced all weekend. I had

749
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: sponsors and friends and everybody there was the week I

750
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: met Ryan Turk and Chris Forsburg and Von Getting Junior

751
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: and all those guys. And now look at us. I

752
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: mean like at that time, I thought the world was over.

753
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: You know, time and time again, you get kicked down

754
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: and you have to get back up. And sometimes I

755
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: feel like getting kicked down is just that's my story.

756
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: Well that's okay.

757
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: It also tests you on how important it is for you,

758
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 2: because if you got kicked down and you're like, okay,

759
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: I can't do this, you wouldn't be racing today. You

760
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: got to just keep going.

761
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: And to feel fulfilled, you have to have an equal

762
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: amount of negative. Like I believe the universe is balanced,

763
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: so to feel happy, you have to have that opposite

764
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: on the other end. It's not means you have to

765
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: walk around sad. But we feel pain. We all feel pain. Yeah,

766
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: the universe is balanced. If you want a valiant win,

767
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: you need to valiantly try and fail.

768
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, and it's about getting back up. It's

769
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: funny you know that you say that because yesterday friend

770
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: was asking me. It's like, hey, so it was easy

771
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: for as an actor. Didn't come naturally like you know,

772
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: and I was like and I was and I remember

773
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: my first real acting like opportunity. It was like I

774
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: was in college and I got the lead for this

775
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: play and you know, in high school I was acting,

776
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: but it didn't mean anything then because it was just

777
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just acting from my friends and I'm

778
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: just kind of fucking around and but it was. It

779
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: was a lead for an official play that was going

780
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: to run for weeks and people were going to be

781
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: charged money to come and watch. And we rehearsed for

782
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: months and I was the lead. And I remember the

783
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: day that we opened. We get out on stage and

784
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: the lights turn out and I forgot everything. I couldn't

785
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: remember one line. I could not move like a deer

786
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: in front of headlights, and the director had to pull

787
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: me off stage and he put the play in my hand,

788
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: the book in my hand, and I read the rest

789
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: of the play with my head down in the book right,

790
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: and did not move, and I was shaking and I

791
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: could barely speak. And in the audience I hear people,

792
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: especially my friends, like the fuck is wrong with if

793
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 2: I sucks? This place sucks, that guy sucks. And I'm

794
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: like trying to hold down my tears. Right, And I

795
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: ran home after the play and you know, put the

796
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: covers over my head and locked the door and I

797
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: would not answer the door. I remember they were like

798
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: knocking on the door, going height and trying to like,

799
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 2: you know, somebody, they're trying to call me and I

800
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: and I never left the apartment for like three probably

801
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: like three days, so the next day we had to play.

802
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: I didn't show up. So I mean that play was

803
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: like running for three weeks, and anytime I saw anybody

804
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: from the you know, the theater group or other actors

805
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: that were a part of it, I would like like

806
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: run the other way. And I was like, I'm never

807
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: gonna act again. I suck. I was not meant to

808
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: do this, Like how do you freeze up? And I

809
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: remember one damn line that you rehearse for three months.

810
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: I go, there's no way I'm gonna ever be an actor.

811
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: But you know, I kept studying. I kept falling on

812
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: my face, you know. And I moved to LA and

813
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: I did all these other things and no one ever

814
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: saw it. I would consider one hundred percent of them

815
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: were failures. I considered myself like the worst actor that

816
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: ever existed. Fast forward years later, there was like a

817
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: movie premiere. I think it was one of the fast premieres,

818
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: and everyone's stressed up and we're on the red carpet

819
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: and this dude walks up to me and it was

820
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: the director from that play from college, and he goes, hey,

821
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: do we know each other? And I knew exactly what

822
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: he was and ran, no, we never met and he's

823
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: just stirring him. He's like he's just about to say

824
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: I know, you know, I'm like, hey, I've never met you. Sorry. Yeah,

825
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: And I'm still embarrassed of that. But then I go, dude,

826
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter about those failures. It's a matter if

827
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: you get up. And it was so hard to get up.

828
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: It was so hard to cause it took me years, years,

829
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 2: even after college, to be able to perform in front

830
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: of an audience, even if it was five people, without shaking, stuttering.

831
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: I always forgot my lines right, Like I would just

832
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: forget half to play and the other and then people

833
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: talk shit because people are fucking cold, right, Like I remember,

834
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: like have to ever play. I would hear that guy sucks.

835
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna do a play with that guy. But

836
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: it's a matter of just constantly getting up.

837
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: Getting also a muscle to keep building that.

838
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just being delusion?

839
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: How much of that was motivation to keep going? And

840
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: first question, second, how long did it take you to

841
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: tell that story?

842
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: I think that was the first time I told that

843
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: story ever.

844
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

845
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: But I would also say that it is really important

846
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: to have the right people around you. You know, my

847
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: wife and I've been together since ninety four. It was

848
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: at that time the only person and my acting teacher,

849
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: sal Romeo. These two individuals would say, yeah, you suck,

850
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: but you love it. This is what you're meant to do,

851
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: so just keep going. And I remember I was going

852
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: to quit acting and go join the police force. Like

853
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: it was like thirty five is the cutoff, I think

854
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: for LAPD. And I remember I was thirty five. I

855
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: had a whole bunch of friends quitting and going, hey man,

856
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: this ain't going to work. One wanted to be a director,

857
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: he went to USC Film School, had a loan and

858
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And I had other actor friends that's

859
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: just like it, like I got a you know, I

860
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: need health insurance man, Like you know, my my girlfriend

861
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: wants to get married, all this stuff. Like you know,

862
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: you're because you're poor as an actor. People don't they

863
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: just see like people in the red carpet, they're they're

864
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: all rich, Like most actors are poor.

865
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: So less than five percent of the people in the

867
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: Screen Actors Guild, which is the actors union, make over

868
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars five percent. That tells you that it's

869
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 2: pretty bad out there, right, I was going to quit,

870
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: and she, my wife, was like, I'd rather have a

871
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: husband and be married to somebody who's working at McDonald

872
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: and is pursuing their dream and happy to come home

873
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: and going at least I'm giving it a shot. Then

874
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: a cop that it gave up his dream and has

875
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: his insurance and works like three or four, you are

876
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: going to be that cop that shoots somebody or shoots himself.

877
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to be married to that dude.

878
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: And it's I don't give a fuck if we have

879
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: money or a house or insurance. I need to be

880
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: around somebody that is pursuing their dream.

881
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: Because that's rich, because rich is living fulfilled and not

882
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: the money. You know, I think having it easy is

883
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 3: a curse. I think that's that's that's probably the best

884
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: motivation that listeners could hear. It's that if you have it,

885
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 3: you think you're having it difficult, then then you actually

886
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 3: have it pretty good. Because if you had everything handed

887
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: to you, it's it doesn't make a good person.

888
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: And if you're going through a hard time now, that's

889
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: only because something good is coming your way.

890
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I use the buffet analogy. You know,

891
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: when you go to a buffet. You gotta have all

892
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: this food in front of you. You don't really appreciate

893
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: it doesn't taste that good. But when you are starving,

894
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: like starving, like you worked all day and you're hungry,

895
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: like you can go to seven eleven and get like

896
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: a bowl of like you know, cup of noodle. It's

897
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 2: the best damn meal you had in a long time.

898
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's like that's life. And then in success,

899
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 2: like I asked people, what is your definition of success?

900
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: Is it being able to buy whatever you want and

901
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: eat whatever you want, you know, and go out anytime

902
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: you want, you know, most then you gotta get pretty

903
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: fucked up. You're gonna be fat and like desensitized to

904
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: the little joys in life. Right. So it's like you

905
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: have to be careful when you're successful too, because if

906
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: your life is a buffet, you're gonna get out right

907
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: that amen?

908
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: Right amen. I keep telling people that I think the

909
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: secret to life is growth, and that goes to that,

910
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: like if you if you're at the buffet, you're there

911
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: and you're close minded, and you're gonna just be there. Yeah,

912
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: And if you're willing to grow every day, I think

913
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 3: then you've won.

914
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what's beautiful about you, James, is

915
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: that you love love motorsport and it's probably because you

916
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: didn't get to do it, you know. And then you

917
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: meet like, you know, professional drivers, and the light behind

918
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: their eyes are gone. It's just the job, right. Even

919
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: with actors, Like when I meet an actor that is

920
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: super successful and they just complaining about everything like this

921
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: food sucks, this sucks, this wardrobe sucks. I'm like, dude,

922
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: what do you complaining about? Man? Like you play pretend

923
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: for a living like you're superhero right, Like everyone is

924
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: asking you, like what do you want to eat? Like

925
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, and everything's free, right, Everybody loves you, and

926
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: you're fucking complaining. And that's why I go, Hey, that's

927
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: when I step back and I go, maybe you know,

928
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: slow success is better because once you do get that,

929
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: you appreciate everything.

930
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Speaker 1: Like That's what I've been thinking lately. It's taken song

931
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Speaker 1: to get to even where I am today. It took

932
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Speaker 1: me so long just to get off welfare and food stamps,

933
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Speaker 1: thank you. But I was just like I had that

934
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Speaker 1: thought in back of my head, like I'm glad it's happening,

935
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: happening slower because I can be appreciative of everything that

936
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: is happening as it happens, and I'll always stay humble

937
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: because I'm never going to forget the times that i've

938
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Speaker 1: that I went through. And it's funny, I've seen some

939
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: of that being on smaller projects, of people losing sight

940
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: of what they're passionate about and taking it for granted,

941
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Speaker 1: versus just waking up and just being thankful to have

942
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: a roof over your head.

943
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting thing. To your point. Of the

944
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: reason I love it is because I've wanted it so

945
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: badly for so long. Yeah, I realized that me chasing

946
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: this dream was actually my dream, and that the process

947
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: of failing and not having what I thought I wanted

948
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: was actually the most fulfilling thing I could have ever had,

949
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: and that I am now surrounded by amazing people. I

950
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: work in the field that I want, I am respected

951
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: by people that I respect, and I do it my way.

952
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm Mercedes AMG wants me to go

953
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: race the twenty four hours of Nerburgring next year.

954
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Speaker 1: Congratulation what I hope you get a lot of sim.

955
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: Times, I'm so scared for the twenty four hours of

956
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: nerbur Gring. I'll race anywhere else in the world, but

957
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 3: that place is crazy.

958
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: Isn't that deemed as like the hardest the hardest races. Yeah,

959
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Green Hell is what they call it.

960
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: It's insane. It's insane anyway, you know, the dream is

961
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 3: here and I'm trying to appreciate it and now step

962
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: into the next phase with able to be able to

963
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: manage those fears and and and just expectations and just

964
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 3: do the best I can and find grace for myself.

965
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Speaker 2: Baby. Yes, that's it all right, James, thank you.

966
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: So much, Thank you so much.

967
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: I'm so grateful coming out to be here and let

968
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: them thank you for having this conversation.

969
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is beautiful.

970
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: P the Pwin the Twin