1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: the podcast The Swing. In this podcast on iTunes, is it? Yeah, 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know? I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant in the flesh. We're both wearing um robes 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: and mustaches. Right, swinging swinging? Chuck as into swing? Yes, 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: you have you ever heard of swinging? Yeah? I think 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: I told the story once about the Atlanta Swingers Club 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: was very close to well, no, it was just called 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Swingers Club. Well, it's pretty straight. I may 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: have said this, but it was a long time ago. 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: It was very close to my phone number growing up, 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: and we used to get calls all the time for 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: people seeking the Swingers Club. And being the Baptist family, 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, my mom basically made them 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: seem like they were. It was the devil calling. I'm 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: sure pretty funny. Yeah. So um, In this very special 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: episode of Stuff you Should Know, we find out what 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: fuel young Chuck Bryant's budding sexuality That turns out it 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: was misplaced phone calls, the Swingers Club and continued sexual 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: dysfunction because now that I'm adult, I'm like, they're just 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: trying to have a good time. Yeah, hey man, it's 24 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: not my deal. But you know, you don't want to 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: say you don't want to put your hang ups on 26 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: other people, right, Yeah, that's a drag. Well it depends, man. Um, 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: we're talking today about polygamy, and there's a whole lot 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: of people putting their hang ups on polygamists. They have 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: a hard time here in the States, they do. But 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: before we get into that, chuck um, before we get 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: into the swinging this podcast around. Yes, um, well, let's 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: get some administrative details out of the way. Yes, very 33 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: important an announcement. This is like that. I know you're 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: tired of hearing about it if you don't live in Atlanta, 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: But this is the last Southeast one of the last 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: chances we'll have to say. We're having our Trivia night 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: in Atlanta October. It's a Wednesday block out from six 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: pm two about eleven pm. Yes, you're going to show 39 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: up to work on Thursday. Not on all four cylinders, 40 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: depending on how many cylinders you have, um, but you're 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: going to have had a great time the night before. Why, Chuck, 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: what's going to have happened on Wednesday October? We're gonna 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: play bar trivia and we're gonna have daily shows. John 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: Hodgman sitting beside us, Yes, Onion editor in chief, Joe 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: Randazzo and uh Aquitine Hunger for Sunce squid Billy's co 46 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: creator Dave Willis Willis nice, Yes, and plus us and 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: our families and Jerry, will your mom be there? Yeah? 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: How adorable? And I hope my brother is your dad coming? 49 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. He finally went out and bought an 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: iPod to listen to what his son was doing. Yeah. 51 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he's turned the thing on yet, and 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: this is months ago. I think my mom will be 53 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: didn't he show you the iPod? I bet him at 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: my birthday play? Yeah? Yeah he did. He's like, look 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: and you're like, what is that? Right? And it was 56 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: a nano even if he said it's an iPod, Chuck, 57 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you don't know that you're in it. So 58 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: that's what's going on Wednesday October to night before Tuesday, 59 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: October twelve, Our buddies and de facto house band, The 60 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: Henry Clay people are playing a show at the Drunken 61 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: Unicorn on East Ponds, and we're gonna be there, and 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna be there, and hopefully a couple of our 63 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: buddies coming in from out of town Randazo, maybe Hodgman. 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: We'll see and uh see some rock and roll and 65 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: hang out with the band. They're cool guys. Yeah, it's 66 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: like two nights of fun in a row. Yes, it's 67 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: going to be a fun week. Yes. Yeah, So that's 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: what's going on this October twelve in preparation of Halloween. 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: Now back too, look at me? Yes, all right, so 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: let's um get back to polygamy Chuck. Remember Warren Jeff's Yeah, 71 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: thanks for this article, because I didn't really have an 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: intro except for mention of Big Love, which I've never 73 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: seen of you. You know, I watched Big Love initially 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: and bailed on it, not because it was bad, it 75 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: just didn't have the time. But I've heard it's really good. Sure. Yeah, 76 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: well it's acclaimed series hbos. You can't go wrong with 77 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Mr Bill Paxson. That kys a class act. But back 78 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: to Warren Jeff's Yeah, not to be confused with Bill Paxton. 79 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: Bill Paxson plays a polygamist on tv UM Warren Jeff's 80 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: is a polygamist in real life. Right at the very 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: least he is. Uh. He's been indicted for allegedly fostering uh, 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: the marriage between a fourteen year old and a seventeen 83 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: year old. Right, fourteen year old and her nineteen year 84 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: old cousin. Yes, some would call him a peederist, Josh, 85 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: and not just a polygamist. He couldn't be a pederist 86 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: unless he is a homosexual. Because Petter asked, you refer 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: specifically to the child realistation of boys. I didn't know that. Well, 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: then he would be a child molester. Then, in many 89 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: people's eyes, allegedly Chuck allegedly allegedly allegedly. Well, he's in 90 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: jail for it, he's convicted of it. He has not 91 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: been convicted. He goes to he goes to trial in November. Well, 92 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: he was found what was he found guilty of? Then 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: apparently they're they're having a hearing to find out if 94 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: he's one and the same as the person they were 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: looking for. No, no, no, that's in Texas. He's been 96 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: in jail for the uh. He was sentenced to two 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: consecutive prison terms of five years following his two thousand 98 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: seven conviction in Utah. Now there's new charges in Texas well. 99 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: They're trying to get him extra out into Texas and uh, 100 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: he much more serious charges were thrown out. I'm sorry, 101 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: Texas has a much more serious charges. So they threw 102 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: out even more charges in Arizona. This guy charges all 103 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: over the place, and so he is in jail in 104 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: Utah and they the governor signed an extradition weren't send 105 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: him to Texas in mid August, and but they denied it. 106 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: So they're it's they're waiting on a court ordered extradition basically, 107 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: and that may bring him five to nine nine years 108 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: that he and up to ten tho dollar five assaulted 109 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: a child under seventeen. Yeah, so that makes much child molester. 110 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of stuff against him. I'm gonna 111 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: just say allegedly all over the place because i have 112 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: to I have to admit I'm not percent of what 113 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: he's been charged with or convicted of. Okay, Um, but 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: get having charges all over the place is nothing new 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: for polygamists. Uh. Jeff's is the leader of a UM 116 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: sect of Mormonism called fundamentalist Mormons. Um, we should say 117 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: that the Church of Latter day Saints, the Mormons, although 118 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: UM frequently associated with polygamy, haven't really done so since 119 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century. We'll get into um, the Mormons in 120 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: in there there there polygamist lifestyle later. But I think 121 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that, you know, Jeff's 122 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: is not representative of the Mormon Church as a whole. No, 123 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: not at all. You know, UM, let's the basis. Okay, 124 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: let's talk about polygamy. What is it? There's like I 125 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: think people have a give the definition of polygamy chock well. 126 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: Before the definition, let me just say that most Westerners 127 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: don't identify with anything but in monogamy. But culturally, worldwide 128 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: and in history, monogamy is in in in the minority. Actually, actually, 129 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: polygamous society is outnumbered by the hundreds monogamous societies. And 130 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: monogamy appears to be a Christian hang up because if 131 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: you go to um areas before the Christians got there, 132 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: pretty much everybody historically was polygamus right then the Christians 133 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: arrived and all of a sudden, there's monogamy everywhere. Rights 134 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: you know that yes, and among mammals as well, humans 135 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: are as monogamists are in the vast minority. Only about 136 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: three to five percent of all mammals engage in monogamy. 137 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: The rest are polygamus. Right, So definition wise, I believe 138 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: it's polygamy is more than one spouse po gani is 139 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: more than one wife correct, Yes, So polygamy doesn't attach 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: gender or legality to it, it's just right. And then Paulyandry, yes, 141 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: um is a woman having more than one husband, which 142 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: Jerry beforehand. It's not like women can have more than 143 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: one husband, especially if you are a member of the 144 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: Nimba people and Nepaul. Yeah, women there have and I 145 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: just think this is like a sitcom waiting to happen. 146 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: Women there have to marry all the brothers of a family. Yeah, 147 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: so if you marry one brother, you get Darryl and Darryl. 148 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: If you marry Larry, you get Daryl and Darryl as well. 149 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: And it makes sense in a way for them because, 150 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: uh it allows them to pull their resources as a 151 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: family hold onto family land, uh take care of their children. Well, 152 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: it's very culturally specific, right, because the these this group 153 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: of people, there's about um members of the Niambian culture. UM. 154 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: And they simply don't have enough land for each man 155 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: to go out on his own form a homestead in 156 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: a family. So it's it's very culturally bound. The reasons 157 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: for this UM and apparently it's fairly beneficial. There's a 158 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: lot of consolidation of family's bloodline and resources. Um. All 159 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: of the brothers have access sexual access to the woman, 160 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: to the wife, right, we should That's something you're gonna hear. 161 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: A lot of sexual access, which means you you can 162 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: get it on. They have access to getting sexual access. 163 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: Each brother does. But they said they do allow them 164 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: to specify, like you were the father of this child. Right, 165 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: they differentiate who's the father of which children? But they 166 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: all yeah, they all um contribute to caregiving child. Um. 167 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: And also it's hierarchical. Hierarchical. I was wondering how like 168 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: who chose the wife right, um, And it's the oldest 169 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: brother and he's definitely the dominant husband. You know, if 170 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,239 Speaker 1: I would rewrite the rules though, if I was a tribesman, 171 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: I would say we should go with like the best 172 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: looking brother of the brother who has the most game. Yeah, 173 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: it's so we can all get the most attractive life 174 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: it has if the oldest brother is like a real nudge. 175 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, like they just in case 176 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: the oldest brother is a nudge, he's still the dominant husband. 177 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: Although I'll bet just sibling rivalry trans is pain cultural. Yeah, 178 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: so I'm sure that there there is like one that 179 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: has game. Is like, I got more sexual access to 180 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: her than Tony is a sitcom man, except it would 181 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: be like they would americanize it. It would be like 182 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: for American like guys from Brooklyn Brothers that would find 183 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: this woman tribesman and bring her to America and I'll 184 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: marry her. I could see Ed Burns doing that. I 185 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: could do. Yeah, you'd make them Catholic though, So Chuck, 186 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: that's the Nambian people. They are definitely a rarity, even 187 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: even rarer the Amazon Zoe tribe. Right. Yeah, that's multiple everything, right, 188 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: multiple husbands and wives at the same time. It's just 189 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: basically like it's it's a free for all in the jungle. 190 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: But it's not fair of us to make fun of that. 191 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: We're just laughing because I'm not making fun of ye. 192 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: That's their culture again. They think we're weird. Again, I 193 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: think that, man, this is such a potential. This is 194 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: just potential dynamite here. Yeah, but it's just different cultures. 195 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: They see your dad and his nanopod. But it's not 196 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: just that like there, there is there's some real there's 197 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: very real social like as in society um and biological 198 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: benefits to polygamy. But there's also some very um negative 199 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: social and personal drawbacks to right. Yeah, we'll get to 200 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: those two. Yeah, so well, what are we going to 201 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: talk about? Oh? Yeah, who else does it? Well, we'll 202 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: continue you with the nomenclature, just so you know. There's 203 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: also a bigamy that just catches legality to polygamy. Yeah. 204 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: Bigamy is is the law. It's when a man illegally 205 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: marries more than one woman and that is definitely illegal 206 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: in the United States. Well, it's the practice of polygamy 207 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: in a place where it's illegal illegal, Like no one, no, 208 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: in the United States, you can't practice polygamy, except I 209 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: think there's very small pockets in like Utah and Arizona 210 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: where it's actually legal. Yeah. Colorado City, Arizona, I think, 211 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: is one of like two places in the country where 212 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: it's actually legal, but federally is still illegal, right, I 213 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I have to say, but say, like 214 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: in Georgia, if there's no such thing as polygamy, there's 215 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: only biggam because polygamy is illegal. See yeah, okay, now 216 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: I get it. I just fun to make sure. Uh. 217 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: Biggest oftentimes are accidental bigamists, like they will marry before 218 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: their divorce is complete. But there's also and they called 219 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: it rare. It's not as rare as you think when 220 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: the dude leads a double life and literally has two families. 221 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: And uh, it's rare according to the population. But if 222 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: you look up in Google new search, you'll find plenty 223 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: of it. Or listened to the Grateful Dead song Friend 224 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: of the Devil, that'll give you the right idea that'll 225 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: get you on the troll. That's one of the few 226 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: dead songs. I like it. It's a good one. I 227 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: like easy Wind really, And uh, what is polyamory as 228 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: being in love? That's just more than one person? That 229 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: is just um. I don't get that communal familial living 230 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: where everyone is everyone has sexual access to everybody else. 231 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: There's not necessarily and usually isn't any marriage involved. Um. 232 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: But it resembles like um a polygamist household in that 233 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: there's like a group of people all contributing to the 234 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: raising of children. And probably in most cases there would 235 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: be a differentiation of whose kid is who's But it's 236 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: like a mini taking a village to raise a child. Again, 237 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how good this is necessarily for child rearing. UM, 238 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: we're not gonna make that call, but we can't say. 239 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: There's a study in Malaysia that's emerging as brand new. UM. 240 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: This thing was just published in July, UM and it's 241 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: a very it's the groundbreaking study. Actually. UM Malaysia it 242 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: allows polygamy among its Muslim um population because it's UM. 243 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: It's Muslim law that you can have up to four 244 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: wives as long as you can care for all of 245 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: them equally and treat them all equally well. And apparently 246 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: that's that's like what you're supposed to do. It's not 247 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: always the case, but I think like a significant portion 248 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: of the children in polygamous households in this Malaysian study, UM, 249 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: there's something like people involved in the study and uh 250 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty three of the children in the households, 251 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: So like a signific if we get majority of the 252 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: children said that they wouldn't engage in a polygamoust lifestyle 253 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: even though they're Muslims, right once they marry. Interesting, Yeah, 254 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: so I don't know how much that will change as 255 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: they get older though, especially as you know status is 256 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: attached to it. Well, the article here said that westernization, 257 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: like younger Muslims think polygamy is kind of old fashioned. Yeah, 258 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: maybe that's something to do with it too, And I'm 259 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: sorry I got that wrong. Five three children were involved 260 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: in the study of them and said that they wouldn't 261 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: engage in polygamy. That's overwhelming. So polygamy as the idea 262 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: that a man is very successful and should spread his 263 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: seed while he is on the earth because he is 264 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: rich and successful to breed more young and rich and 265 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: successful people, and that a lot of times has been 266 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: endorsed when you have a minority of a population, like 267 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: early Jewish doctrine were in favor of it. Right, it's 268 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: a really um it's a really quick way to jump 269 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: start your population, to to get your society going. Yeah, 270 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: it's I was surprised. It said some Orthodox Jewish sex 271 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: still advocate poly which I was impressed to find the 272 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: confirmation of that. I saw that some gave it up recently, 273 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: but I had trouble finding that I did too, except 274 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: for here. And I think China did that too, because 275 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: there Vietnam, oh, viet Well, Vietnam and China did it 276 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: too under Confucianism. China did it under Confucianism. Vietnam did 277 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: it for practical reasons. It's not legal in Vietnam, but 278 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: it's widely practiced because the place is so ridiculously war 279 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: torn that they actually need to restart their population as well. Um. 280 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: So again, it does have a lot of advantages, specifically 281 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: um polygyny. Right, yea, let's talk about why I took 282 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: and again from this moment until we're not talking about 283 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: it anymore. We're speaking biologically, impersonally, without any any social aspects. Biologically, 284 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: polygamy makes uttering complete sense, especially if you subscribe to 285 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: the Dawkins selfish gene idea. Right. What's that, Well, it's 286 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: the it's the concept that we are merely vehicles for 287 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: our genes that are driven to basically exists in immortality 288 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: by passing its line down as frequently as possible. Okay, um, 289 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: through polygamy, through polygyny, I should say polygyny. Sorry, I 290 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: think you could probably say it both ways. I just 291 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: think we're confusing people through polygyny with the g n 292 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: um a man can well, a man can reproduce far 293 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: more frequently. Healthy stallion could basically reproduce several times a 294 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: day every day if he had sexual access to a 295 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: lot of opulating women. Okay, thank you for that, man Um. 296 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: A woman can only reproduce once every nine months after 297 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: becoming pregnant, and she may have twins triplets naturally speaking, 298 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, um, octuplets are and uh the results that 299 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: they're a product of of modern science of fertility drugs. 300 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: But say you have twins, maybe triplets top usually Irish 301 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: twins at the max. Okay, what is that? No Irish 302 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: twins is when you have like two kids or nine 303 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: months apart. Okay, I'm thinking of a Baker's dozen. So 304 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: chuck um. So poly polygyny makes sense, and that if 305 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: you want to, if you want to build up your population, 306 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: a bunch have a bunch of ovulating women and guys 307 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: to reproduce with them. Right, So it makes sense biologically, 308 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: but socially it's a catastrophe. Right. Well, one thing is 309 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: hard to talk about is actually statistics, because Mormon plural 310 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: marriage is not the kind of thing that's documented to 311 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: keep it very private and secret, so you can't go 312 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: out and get a bunch of statistics on abuse. But 313 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: the the stories that you hear in anecdotal evidence suggests 314 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: that a lot of abuse happens, like girls that are 315 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: fourteen years old getting married to men that are years old. 316 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: That's that's definitely one dark part of the dark side 317 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: of polygamy. Polygony specifically polygyny also um places men in 318 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: a position of absolute authority just by even just by 319 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: bestowing that possibility of the men. The man having more 320 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: than one wife, but all those wives are devoted to 321 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: the one man. He's automatically at the top of the 322 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: hierarchy just by virtue of the arrangement, and just sociologically speaking, 323 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: being put in that kind of situation would probably make 324 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: you drunk with power just being an average person. A 325 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: lot of men abuse that position, sure, and even if 326 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: they don't want to abuse it. The women in a 327 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: in a polygamous scenario, they don't have their subservient. They're 328 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: so dependent, they don't have like the skills. Even if 329 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: they do escape there their scenario, they don't have the 330 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: skills to make it on their own because they've they've 331 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: just been the subservient wife right the whole time. Right, 332 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: that's no good. A lot of people who have moved 333 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: on from polygamist um marriages usually use the word escape 334 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: or often use the word escape they escaped from a 335 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: polygamous marriage, not I got divorced or anything like that. UM. 336 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: And then also just economically speaking, there's a division of 337 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: one guy's paycheck over you know, however many wives and 338 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: children he has. He may have more than one house, 339 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: if he's if he's you know, doing pretty well for himself, 340 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's an engineer or something. Um, but 341 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: it's still one person's paycheck supporting all of these people. 342 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: And you see that problem with currently. According to the 343 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: article who wrote this one, Grabster Grabster wrote this one, 344 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: he points out that UM Colorado City, Arizona, which is 345 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: one of I think two places where you can be 346 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: a polygamist um is basically single handedly puts a strain 347 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: on the um welfare services of the state of Arizona. 348 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: They're going broke. Yeah, UM. So that's that's another aspect 349 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: of it, as well as the economics of it. And 350 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: then apparently jealousy too. First wives, rather than being the 351 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: dominant wife out of all of the other ones, are 352 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: often just kind of left to the side, get younger 353 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: and younger and younger. Is that right? Yeah, there's That's 354 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: like a big plot line of the show, I know, 355 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: is that some of the wives become jealous of each 356 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: other and like a love triangle. Would I don't see 357 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: how you couldn't, you know, even even among the most 358 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: devoted polygamist families. I don't see how that couldn't happen, 359 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: Like jealousy so ingrained. I'm the most non jealous person 360 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: on the face of the earth, But that would even 361 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: make me jealous, Yeah, I would think, yes, or maybe not, 362 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: I think it would, so chuck um you ready, let's 363 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: talk about the Mormons. All of you guys have been 364 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: very good and patient. Thank you for waiting. Let's do Mormons. Man. Yes, 365 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: this is a brief overview of Mormonism. We're not gonna 366 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: maybe we could do a whole podcast one day on them. 367 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: But it's a religion founded by Joseph Smith Jr. Early 368 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: eight hundreds, and he claimed to have received messages, divine 369 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: messages from an angel that directed him to golden plates 370 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: that basically told the story that he translated to eventually 371 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: become the Book of Mormon. So the Book of Mormon 372 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: was written, and um, it does not contain specific info 373 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: about polygamy, but supposedly he uh practice polygamy after receiving 374 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: another personal divine message saying if you go out and 375 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: have multiple wives, then you will be a king in heaven. Yeah. 376 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: Basically to be a successful Mormon, you kind of had 377 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: to practice polygamy. It was a directive from God, although 378 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 1: again it says nothing about it in the Book of Mormon, right, 379 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: nothing about it. There's a cool website, um called the 380 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: Wives of Joseph Smith, and it chronicles they have thirty 381 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: four by my account, um. But it has each name 382 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: has like their age, whether they had a husband at 383 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: the time they were married to Joseph Smith, um. And 384 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: then there's like a link each one's hyper linked to 385 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: a bio on them. It's very cool to make sure 386 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: that these people, these women aren't forgotten because they were 387 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: part of the founding establishment of Mormon. Right. Um, So 388 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: he had thirty four. From what I could see, some 389 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: of them were sisters and the youngest was fourteen. Right. 390 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: One of his kids, Joseph Smith the third, was like 391 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: one of the Malaysian Muslim kids, because when he came 392 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 1: of eight, he was like, I am not practicing pa. 393 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: I've seen it firsthand and I'm not doing it. Yeah, 394 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: and he's he's he made a separate sect, right. He 395 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: branched off because he wanted to stay down with the Mormons. 396 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: He just wasn't down with polygamy exactly. Uh. A guy 397 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: who was down with polygamy was the successor to Joseph 398 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: Smith Jr. The founder of the Church of Latter day Saints, 399 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: a guy named Brigham Young the old notice as a 400 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: university he does. Yeah, Brigham Young had even more children 401 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: or even more wives. Apparently he had fifty five from 402 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: what I understand UM and his were much more verifiable. 403 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: Apparently Joseph Smith didn't ever publicly cop to polygamy. Brigham 404 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Young was like, check out the fifty five right, They're 405 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: like hello, right, hello. By the mid eighteen hundreds, it 406 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: was so prominently fifty five times you should said fifty 407 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: five times. Um. In the mid eighteen hundreds, there were 408 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: so many Mormons though, doing this that the Church, while 409 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: they didn't officially like bring it into their literature. They 410 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: did acknowledge it in an official announcement. Plural marriage, right, 411 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: so you've got plural marriage. In eighteen fifty two. Four 412 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: years later, something big happened. The Republican Party, a Lincoln's 413 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: party at the time. I think he may have been 414 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: an attorney still, but he was a log cabin Republican, 415 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: right because he lived in a log cabin and right. 416 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: But so Lincoln's party came up with their eighteen fifty 417 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: six platform, and it was based largely upon ridding the 418 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: United States of the twin relics of barbarism, Chuck. One 419 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: was slavery, the other was polygamy. Right right up, there 420 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: was slavery. Yeah, these were the twin evils that were 421 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: basically keeping the United States backward from progressing forward. Um 422 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: Supreme Court agreed, yeah, and that launched a what you 423 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: could call an unconstitutional government assault on the religion of 424 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: Mormonism because of polygamy. They want to quash it. Basically, Yeah, 425 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: Utah try. Utah applied for statehood during this and they're like, 426 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: not as long as you got polygamist, did you get 427 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: rid of your polygamous Mormons? And we'll deal with you 428 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: after that, Um, they criminalized cohabitation, right, what else? They 429 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: prevented you from voting or holding office if you were 430 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: a polygamist. That is so illegal, it's ridiculous, you know. 431 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: And they actually froze church assets then even more illy 432 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: confiscated their property. Yeah. So they really persecuted the Mormons 433 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: based on polygamy um. And whether you agree with polygamy 434 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: or not, the United States government and eventually the government 435 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: and the state of you taught, really really went after 436 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: them for their practice of polygamy. Well. Yeah, and that's 437 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: why the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter day 438 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: Saints they were having so many problems and they wanted 439 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: statehood and all that that. They said, you know what, Uh, 440 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: we've had another revelation and we're going to change that doctrine, 441 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: So can we be a state now? Right? And they said, yes, 442 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: you m b um. They set up specific laws there 443 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: though that they didn't do in other states. If you 444 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: were if you were um caught as far as the 445 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: Mormons were concerned, after I think eight ninety when they 446 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: said that they had that other revelation, Um, they said, 447 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: if you were caught practicing plural marriage, you would be 448 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: excommunicated from the church, and some people said, well, you 449 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: know what, Um, you can't excommunicate us if we form 450 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: our own sect. And that from that was born the 451 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: Mormon fundamentalists, who still practiced to this day. Warren Jess 452 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: as a Mormon fundamentalist, this group, and they believe that 453 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: the Joseph Smith Jr. Had a divine revelation, and they 454 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: believe that they will be kings in heaven if they 455 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: had multiple wives. Right, So there's um, there's some defense 456 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: to this among Mormon fundamentalists. One I don't buy it. No. 457 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: One is that if you have more than one wife 458 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: you are less likely to Philander. I don't buy it. No, 459 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: that's just it would be more likely to Philander, wouldn't you. 460 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean to me, and I've been 461 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: around cheating and seen it and stuff like that. I 462 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: think you're either you're going to do that or you're not. 463 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're single, if you're married, if 464 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: you're have three wives or one wife, you're either a 465 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: cheater or you're not a cheater. But I think that 466 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: I think that there is a I I think socially 467 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: structurally that absolute power makes you more of an arrogant person. 468 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: And I could see a person because cheating is a choice. 469 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: Either do it or you don't. You make a decision 470 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: not to do it, or you make the decision to 471 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: do it. Right. Um, everybody wants to think. I think 472 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: that you could, um make the case that so socially again, sociologically, 473 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: somebody is um, somebody in that position could, I would say, 474 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: be more likely to cheat. Uh, extra hands to care 475 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: for children? Come on, everybody's got two hands, and you 476 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: multiply that by eight, Why don't you got sixteen hands 477 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: to care for you? But you multiply the six kids 478 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: times eight wives and you have forty eight kids. So 479 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: it's like you maybe if you didn't have those kids, 480 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: you would need extra wives to care for them. Um. 481 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: And also we should probably take a break here and 482 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: say real quick, we're like, Chuck and I are both monogamists, 483 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: right Chuck, Oh yeah, okay. So but at the same time, 484 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: if there is a form of polygamy where it's not detrimental, 485 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't really see that in this article. I don't. 486 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: I don't have to each his own. It's the s 487 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Y s K motto. It's so long as it doesn't 488 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: hurt somebody else, she should probably be the supplement to 489 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: the S Y s K model, right, right, But it 490 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: is illegal in these United States. Federally, there are several 491 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: laws passing the eighteen hundreds. UH. State wise, there are 492 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: only a handful of states that actually have specific laws. 493 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: But Utah is one of them, and that was out 494 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: of the deal I think specifically outlining yeah, when they 495 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: were grand statehood and UH. They get around it though 496 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times because they don't officially marry more 497 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: than one woman. They will live a married lifestyle. They 498 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: and then they will have a ceremony. They just won't 499 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: have like an official marriage certificate. Right, they'll have they'll 500 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: be they'll be married by the church in the church's eyes. Right. Um. 501 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: There are other ways to do this too. There's that 502 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: whole cohabitation thing. It's pretty hard to prosecute. And uh 503 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: until nineteen fifty three, polygamous families groups were um rated 504 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 1: by the police routinely in the Utah and out west UH. 505 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: And then in nineteen fifty three this one raid had 506 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: um there's a backlash against it because the the media 507 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: published pictures of children being sent off the foster homes 508 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: wives being left without husbands, and all of a sudden 509 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: sentiment turned a little bit again raids on polygamous families. 510 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: So I think the rest of the United States is 511 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: very confused on how to approach polygamy. So, okay, chuck 512 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: anything else. I just do have one little funny thing 513 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: about our our trivia night in Atlanta. I got nothing 514 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: else on that. I do have one more thing there is, Um, 515 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: there's been established a couple of things about the benefits 516 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: of monogamy STDs. However, they've developed uh deter polygamy. Okay, right, 517 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: and um there's actually a genetic, uh evolutionary basis to monogamy. 518 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: You have more sexual access to one person. So you 519 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: may be only be able to reproduce nine months at 520 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: a time, but you can do it many many times 521 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: during your reproductive years, and your um the caregiving for 522 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: those children will probably be of higher quality because you're 523 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: a cohe's a family unit. Okay, so that's my little thing. 524 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: That's your last bit. Yeah, what do you have about 525 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: our I forgot to mention this, but Matt Frederick of 526 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Fame came by 527 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: and apparently there was a former nora ad h employee 528 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: named Stanley Fulham, who claims that on October, the night 529 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: of ar Trivia, in major cities over the United States, 530 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: massive UFO fleets will be overhead sending us warnings about 531 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: global warming. That's awesome, And I said, is this guy crackpot? 532 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: And heard overheard Matt said he worked for nora ad 533 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: Like that means like, there's no way you could be 534 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: a crackpot. Of course, he said it with tone firmly 535 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: in cheek. But I think that's just yet another reason 536 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: come out October because we're on the roof of this 537 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: joint and you will be able to see some UFOs 538 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: that are broadcasting messages like warming sucks, save new the 539 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: polar Bear kind of stuff. So I just think that's 540 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: a LEO was right. So people are out there, they're like, 541 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: I would want to come to that trivia, but I 542 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: would love to come see a UFO overhead. That's like, 543 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: we just doubled the number of people are going to 544 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: be here. I think. So. Um. Actually it'll be that 545 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: girl from say by the Bell the college years. I 546 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: don't know that she had her big film break in 547 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: Independence Day. She ran up to the top of the 548 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: roof in l A and had that sign was cheering 549 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: independence and then pal maybe she'll be at our trivia event, 550 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: let's hope. So all right, if you have anything you 551 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: want to let us know about. You know what, if 552 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: you are a member of a polygamist, polyamorous, bigamist, or 553 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: swinger family, Seriously, we're very curious. Is there anyway that 554 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: polygamy can be beneficial to a family union? 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