WEBVTT - S1: EP 21 — "Then Whose Hand is Resting on my Shoulder?" 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:22.480 Hello, my mortal and undead friends. Welcome back. It's been 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.600 a minute since we last spoke, but it feels like forever. Unexpectedly, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.880 the holiday season is a really lively time in purgatory. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:37.400 I guess, why not? Right. Ugh, Len. Enough. Stop. Between 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.720 the end of year deadlines and holiday parties. I barely 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.200 know what day it is anymore, but it feels good 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.960 to welcome the new year. A clean slate, a fresh start. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.280 I've learned a lot this past year. The meaning of life, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:55.080 the meaning of death, how to preen a great horned owl. Yep, 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.279 it's all starting to click. Might even be the year 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.560 I finally cross over to the other side. That would 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:09.920 make sense considering how at peace I feel. No, nothing, fine. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.240 Truth is, there is a little unfinished business from twenty 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.080 twenty four that we have to attend to. The Haunting 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:23.440 HQ holiday party. Yes, our team is small, but somehow Len, Merlin, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.800 Carol from Accounting and I overdid it on peppermint schnapps 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:33.800 and got into a little trouble with the HR overlords. Yes, yes, 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.080 we know you're watching. We all have to share written 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.600 apologies and formally forgive one another in order to expunge 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.480 this from our professional records, So let's get this over with. 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.800 I'll go first. Len, I'm sorry that during our office 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.200 holiday party, I drunkenly started calling you Little Boy Boo, 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.040 and every time you tried to speak, I loudly said, 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.800 do you guys hear someone crying? Even though it was 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.240 a pretty solid bit and people were laughing. Fine striking 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.920 that last part. I'm sorry. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.400 [MUMBLES] 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.720 Great! I feel lighter already. Let's get started with our 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:17.680 first story. Melissa and her husband's long weekend in wine 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.720 country went from romantic to frantic when they got mixed 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.680 up with the wrong kind of spirits. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.680 When we got back to the hotel, it was very quiet, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:35.000 very late at night, but there was a security guard 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.680 by our room. My husband was just standing there terrified. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.440 My name is Melissa, and I stayed in a hotel 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:53.560 where something terrible happened. Back in 2007, we were living 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:59.760 in La Jolla, California. My husband's friends were getting married 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:05.959 and we were going up to Napa. It was Memorial 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:11.840 Day weekend, and it was also my birthday. My husband 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.000 was in charge of all of the logistics and everything 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:21.320 like that. We flew up to Napa, got into our 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:28.760 rental car, drove to the hotel that my husband had booked, 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:35.760 and it turns out he had booked wrong frickin' hotel. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.480 I was really annoyed and really frustrated because it was 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:47.160 an hour away from the wedding festivities. So we get 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.320 back in the car and we're looking to see what 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:57.880 hotels were available. We kept scrolling through different places, calling, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.360 but because it was a holiday weekend, nothing was available. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:09.120 We finally stumble upon this hotel named the Napa River Inn. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:14.120 That sounded really charming and it was an old home 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:20.480 on the river right in downtown Napa. My husband called 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:26.400 and they said specifically, we have one room left. I 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:33.760 was instantly excited just because it looked really charming and beautiful. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.320 When we finally get to the Napa River Inn, it 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.360 was really late at night and it was very quiet. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.760 It was against the river, so it's just very picturesque. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.719 The hotel was all brick and it was very small, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:56.560 but it was just a charming home converted into an inn. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:02.400 I loved it just because of my design background. It's 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.800 not like a regular lobby when you walk in, it's 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.320 set up like a home. I'm an interior designer and 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:14.720 I love architecture. It was just absolutely stunning all the interiors. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:20.080 The exterior was just beautiful. It just had charm, and 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:27.320 the furnishings were gorgeous. It did not feel scary or terrifying. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:33.400 It didn't look gloomy or haunted. It looked charming. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:40.360 So we check in and they said that our room 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.800 was actually a suite, so I was like, yes! I 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.560 was so excited. We go up to our room and 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.640 we go up like the main staircase, and then we went 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.480 down the hall and our room was beautiful, and I'm thinking, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.240 why was this room available? You know, like it seems 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:07.320 a little too good. There's a gorgeous four poster bed 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:13.720 with a canopy, beautiful linens and window treatments, a fireplace 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:19.400 that was lit in this beautiful separate living area, very romantic. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.920 And there was a big bathroom and it was all 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:30.880 like a neutral marble that had gorgeous claw foot tub 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:35.880 and it was all the old plumbing fixtures, which I adore. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.600 I said, Okay, I'm just gonna wash up and take 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:45.800 a bath. So I drew the bath and I tried 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:51.320 to unwind from the crazy day, but I just kept 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:58.200 feeling uncomfortable. I physically felt a heaviness on me, on 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.520 my shoulders and on my head, almost the heaviness of 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:07.039 something sitting on me, and it was just eerie. But 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:12.040 I also felt the sadness and that somebody or something 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.800 was trying to communicate that sadness to me. I tried to, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.560 you know, just brush it off and just not think 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.040 about it, because the main room didn't have that feeling, 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.600 and it was late and I was tired, and I 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.520 was just like, I just need to sleep. 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.520 I got out of the bath. I didn't tell my 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:40.560 husband about that feeling because I think I attributed some 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:45.080 of that feeling to being exhausted, and I was also 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.640 really excited for our trip, so I didn't want to 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.320 put a damper on things. But that night I had 0:07:53.320 --> 0:08:00.720 a dream. It was about a woman and she was 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:06.440 very pretty. She had very very long, dark hair, and 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:12.360 she had a very long white dress on. She was 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.720 standing outside in a field with her finger straight out, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:24.280 pointing to a man with a huge grain sack on 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:32.680 his head, and she was standing about ten feet away, 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:40.720 facing him, but looking at me. I woke up. I 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:47.160 wasn't scared or fearful. I just felt emotionally sad and 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:53.360 almost drained from it. It just felt like this woman 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.679 was reaching out to me, not to scare me, but 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:03.792 just to communicate something that happened, and it didn't seem good. 0:09:03.792 --> 0:09:12.720 Almost like I was feeling her sadness. The next morning, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:18.240 it was my birthday and my husband woke me up 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.720 singing Happy Birthday, and I was like, yay! I'm not 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.360 going to say anything. Let's just enjoy the day. We 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:32.000 were out wine tasting, We had a beautiful lunch, came back 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:37.480 to the hotel, got ready for the wedding. The wedding 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.360 was really beautiful and we just had the best time. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.200 It was getting really late, so we ended up going 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:59.280 back to our hotel. We go up the main staircase 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:06.560 and there was a security guard standing there. I said, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:11.400 is everything okay? He's like just checking things out, and 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:20.080 he literally giggled, which was very odd and uncomfortable. We 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:26.320 didn't know why he was giggling, so I proceeded to 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:32.280 ask him, is this hotel haunted? My husband looked at 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.960 me like I had twenty heads, like why would you 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:40.200 even ask that question? But the security guard said yes, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.280 and then I looked at him again and I said, 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:54.120 is it still haunted and he said, yes, your room. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:11:03.440 My husband is completely freaked out. We said goodbye to 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.880 the security guy as we went into our room, and 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.920 I proceeded to tell my husband about what I was 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.959 feeling the night before and the dream that I had had. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:21.600 And at that point he was really worried and said 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.440 should we leave? And I said, she's not trying to 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.360 harm or anything. Why don't we call down to the 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:34.880 front desk and see what they say. I pick up 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.679 the phone. There's a dial tone and then you hit 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.040 the button for front desk and it started to ring, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.600 and then the person would pick up, and then the 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:49.040 phone would cut out. I tried again, and then the 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.120 phone cut out again. We tried this three times, and 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.240 at this point my husband was just standing there more 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.080 freaked out, and I wasn't. I was just kind of cool, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.000 calm and collected. I said, why don't we just walk 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.280 down and talk to them as opposed to the phone, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:13.920 because it keeps cutting out. We go downstairs, but instead 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.400 of going to the main staircase, we turn and go 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:25.760 down the back staircase, which was closer. As we're walking down, 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:30.080 the walls were filled with all these black and white photographs. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.760 There were photos of the exterior of the Napa River Inn, 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:42.599 photos of the view overlooking Napa, photos of downtown Napa 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:48.120 from when the building was built, and there were family photos. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:58.800 When we got to the front desk, I said that 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.839 I had been trying to call down. They said, well, 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:07.080 we picked up, but the phone kept cutting out. We 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.319 proceeded to tell them about the security guy and how 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:17.000 weird that was, and that our room was haunted. And 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.640 then I told them about the dream that I had 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:24.600 had the night before and the feeling of heaviness and 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:29.840 sadness that I felt in the bathroom. And they told 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.080 me that the son of the building's original owner, Albert 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.800 Hatt Junior, married a woman named Margaret. Albert Junior hung 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.000 himself from a beam in the warehouse, which is a 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.000 bakery now, and the room that we were staying in 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:51.880 is directly above that bakery. They also told me that 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:58.000 other guests have had experiences. People have seen Margaret in 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.400 a white dress and she seemed to be looking for someone. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.920 People hear sounds, they've heard footsteps pacing back and forth. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.720 My poor husband, he was scared. He was terrified of 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.720 the story. He looked at me in terror. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.400 At that point, we decide that we no longer wanted 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:29.240 to stay there. We go back up the back staircase. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:37.600 I see those photos. I noticed one of them looked 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:42.480 like a wedding photo. The woman was really beautiful. She 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.640 was wearing a long white dress and she was standing 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:50.600 with this man. That's when I realized that it was 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.680 the same woman that I had a dream about. I 0:14:54.840 --> 0:15:00.320 was frightened, but also feeling like what I was thinking 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:06.200 or feeling was validated at that point. It looked at 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.920 my husband I said, that was the person in my dream. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.280 He was like, I'm getting the hell out of here. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.760 We got into the room and started to pack up 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:21.200 our things. I looked over at the nightstand with the 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:26.000 telephone on top of it, and the cord had been 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.400 pulled out from the wall and was dangling back and forth. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.880 Before we had gone downstairs, it was plugged in. Now, 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.000 it's unplugged. It was very bizarre. On top of that, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.960 while we were packing up, the bathroom sconces kept flickering 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.120 on and off, and it just kept going on and 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:57.240 off until we left. After we got back from our trip, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.680 I did some research to see what else I could 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.680 find about the Napa River Inn and lo and behold, 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:12.640 I found out that Margaret's husband, Albert Junior, hung himself 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:17.040 with a grain sack on his head. I just remember 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:22.040 feeling sad. I guess she was so in love with 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.840 her husband that her sadness still lingers. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.560 Oh that's a shame. Napa is really beautiful, especially early summer. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.320 Last time I was there was for a bachelorette party. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.880 We didn't see any ghosts, but we did see the 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.880 bride fully cheat on her fiance with one of the sommeliers. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.040 That's a secret. I literally took to my grave because 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:44.480 I'm an awesome friend. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.760 Alright, back to our HR mandated apology tour. Len, you're up. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:06.040 [MUMBLES] 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.160 Whoa, I don't even remember you saying that. Tell him, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:12.520 not me. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:13.639 [MUMBLES] 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.280 Jeez, Len, you were really on one. We forgive you. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:29.240 It feels good to atone, doesn't it? New Year, new us! Alright, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:34.560 on to another story. This next ghost is giving "Ghost". Hey, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:36.720 we should try and get Patrick Swayze on the pod. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.000 I bet he'd do it. He dated my mom in 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.280 the eighties, pre-dirty Dancing. But still. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.520 I had this immediate, bone chilling, frozen moment where I'm like, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.040 what is going on? The senses, the things that I'm hearing, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.119 nothing's making sense anymore. So I whirled the chair around 0:17:55.000 --> 0:18:00.760 and there's nothing there. I'm Shelby and one night something 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.560 in my house was imitating me and my husband's behavior 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:10.280 and then put its hand on my shoulder. It was 2012. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.240 My husband and I had recently gotten married. I had 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:18.520 my first baby. He was about six months old. We 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.359 had just moved into this kind of crappy little rental house. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.040 It was an old house, I would say close to 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.400 100 years old. It was a one story house, had 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.639 a little bit of an odd setup. The bedroom that 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.000 was our bedroom was an add on to the back 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.560 of the house. You had to walk through the kitchen 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.919 in order to get into our bedroom, and then the 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.840 other door went into our son's bedroom. It wasn't very nice, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.200 but it had everything we needed, so we could put 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:51.920 up with all the little weirdnesses of it. The water 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.600 heater doesn't work that great, the washer and dryer don't work. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.600 The stairs are falling off the front of the house 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.760 a little bit. Well, we could maybe fix that. The 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.240 rent was so cheap. We felt really lucky that we 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.120 were able to start our lives together in an affordable, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.040 safe neighborhood. My husband and I both worked at the 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.600 same restaurant. It was the restaurant district, so we could 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.040 walk to work. We had a system where I would 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.280 normally work during the daytime and then he would work 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.160 at nighttime, and that way we avoided having to pay 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.080 for childcare. But sometimes there would be an event at 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.239 the restaurant and we would both have to be at 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.400 work at the same time, so we would take our 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:35.679 son over to my mother in law's house. So on 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.359 this day we both had to be there for lunch. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.480 We left in the morning, dropped off our son, went 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:41.000 to work. 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.680 The event ended early, so I got to go home. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.080 My mother in law wasn't expecting me to come pick 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.640 up our son until later. I had like a full 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.159 hour and I could go home and maybe, as a 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.600 new mom, get a little sleep. So I left work, 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:01.165 ran home. I'm going to make the most of this 60 minutes. 0:20:01.165 --> 0:20:05.280 I go lay down. And then I'm like noticing that the 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.919 atmosphere is just odd and that it's really hot in 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.080 the room, and I'm like, well, it's August, it should 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.520 be hot here. The little air conditioner probably wasn't able 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.320 to keep up with the heat. But furnace heat is 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:25.200 different from humid outside heat. It's dry, and then there 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.200 is this burning smell, and I'm like, that's really strange. 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.320 Why would the furnace be on. So I get up 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.919 and I go look at the thermostat. The dial is 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.679 cranked all the way up to the highest temperature and 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.239 the switch at the bottom is switched from cool all 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.119 the way over to heat. Maybe somebody bumped it, but 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.080 I'm like, I'm just going to try to go back 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.159 to sleep. So I go back in the room. I 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.520 try to lay down. Something still doesn't feel right. It's 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.639 still hot, and I'd get up look around the room. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.639 The space heater that we use in the wintertime is 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.800 plugged in and turned all the way to the highest 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.480 heat setting. It had been stored in the back of 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.520 the closet under the clothes rack since the end of Winter. 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.240 Now the space heater was in the middle of the room, 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:18.080 and it was plugged in the very specific way. Exactly 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.480 like I would do, which was put it in the 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.600 middle of the room and then take the cord and 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.959 loop it around the leg of the desk to make 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.239 an L shape to keep the cord out of the 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:31.560 path of the chair wheels. When I walked into the 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.880 room the first time to lay down, the heater wasn't there. 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:39.840 It wasn't plugged in. Just appear behind my back while 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.360 I was laying down. It was almost like somebody has 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.879 seen me plug it in and knew that the space 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:53.000 heater was in the closet. I sat there and thought 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:54.400 about this for awhile. I was like, well, my nap 0:21:54.440 --> 0:22:00.720 is ruined. What really made me think some things weird in 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:06.720 this house was pretty soon after that. After work late 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:11.080 at night, we would start our nighttime routine of making dinner. 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.840 My husband was the better cook between the two of us. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.560 He would typically come home from work and make dinner 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.680 for us. I really wanted to make sure that I 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:22.800 wasn't giving up on my dream of being an artist, 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.920 so I would pretty strictly make time for myself after work. 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.200 In the bedroom, had an L shaped desk, and it had 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.479 a chair and it was shoved into a corner. So 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.920 I'm sitting at the desk and the baby is asleep 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:42.119 in his room. Over to my left side is our 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.600 bed with some windows out into the backyard. And then 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.840 to my right is a door that opens up into 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.560 my son's nursery. Now, a little farther behind me to 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.240 the right is the door that opens up into the kitchen. 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.639 And I wasn't able to see what was going on 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:00.119 behind me. Had a pretty detailed drawing that I'd been working 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.960 on for days at this point. I was making a 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.639 wedding invitation for a friend's wedding. It was very detailed 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:11.000 that every single word was hand lettered. The whole thing 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.800 was a pen and ink drawing that I couldn't really 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:14.760 make an error on. 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.679 I was working at my desk, the baby's asleep, and 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.760 my husband was in the kitchen cooking. It's about twenty 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.400 feet away. He's at the stove. He's making some kind 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.840 of sauce. I could hear him taking like a spatula 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.320 and banging on the side of the pot to shake 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.280 the excess sauce back into the pot. And he's also 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.280 a pacer, And so because it's an old house, every 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:45.200 step and noise is very creaky. You sort of get 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:49.879 used to your own partner's behaviors. I'm deeply focused in 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.400 this drawing when I start hearing my husband walking around 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:57.960 the bedroom behind me, I can hear the noises of 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.200 the steps on the wooden planks, and I hear the 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:05.760 dresser drawer opening. My husband had learned to recognize when 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.560 I was doing my like serious focusing time, I'm not 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.240 necessarily going to look up or speak to him or 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.880 interact with him. That went on for a little while. 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:19.960 He's just pacing around, but I'm still, you know, face 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:23.120 down in my drawing, working working. At some point, I 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.960 hear him walk right behind my chair, and I can 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:28.800 tell that he's got his chest to the back of 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.800 the chair because it's not moving when I move anymore. 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:36.320 It's being held still. I still never looked up or 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.560 really acknowledged him in any way. He put his hand 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.760 on my shoulder and he did a massaging motion, and then 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.240 he patted my shoulder and he rested his hand on 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.960 my shoulder. So I set my pen down, and still 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.160 without looking up, I said, "Hi, babe, how's your sauce 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:59.200 coming along?" I could physically feel his hand on my shoulder, 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.679 and then I hear his voice shouting to me from 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.960 the kitchen, "What did you say, babe?" The voice that 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.560 I'm expecting to hear answering me should be right in 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:15.000 my ear, but it's not. It's coming from probably twenty 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.680 feet away, and in a loud voice, the way you 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:22.240 would yell to somebody across the house. I just freeze. 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:26.680 If I can hear my husband's voice coming from the kitchen, 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:34.200 whose hand is resting on my shoulder? I spin the 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:39.000 chair around. Almost immediately the hand pulled away, and then 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:44.160 I feel freezing cold air blasts past me, cold enough 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:48.080 to make me gasp with surprise. The windows were not open. 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:53.080 The door to the nursery had just been cracked just 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:54.680 enough to where I could hear my son if he 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:59.000 started to fuss or cry. But the blast was forceful enough 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:02.160 that it blew the door to the nursery wide open. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:09.520 It was almost like whatever was behind me now passed 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:14.040 by quickly, like to get away. I'm frozen in fear. 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.760 I just kind of sat there, trying to like process 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:21.679 what just happened. My husband walks in from the kitchen. 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.440 He still has his spatula in his hand. I'm still 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.199 just sitting there for what feels like an eternity, and 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.200 he repeats this question to me, "what did you say, babe?" 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.760 That sort of wakes me up from just this state 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:39.080 of shock. So then I kind of pieced together like, okay, 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.720 my husband was in the kitchen, my baby's asleep in 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:46.800 his room, and something was walking around behind me. In 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:51.800 this moment, I'm terrified. And then it clicks in my brain. 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.920 Whatever that air was opened your son's door. It's in there. 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.639 My next thought is, what if he's gone?Because he's so quiet, 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:06.639 I haven't heard any noise from his room yet. Normally, 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.560 if he wakes up from his nap, he would typically 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:13.040 wake up and immediately start fussing and crying. So I 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.440 jump up and I just run into my son's room, 0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.119 and my husband followed right behind me, and instead of 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:24.960 my sleeping baby in his crib, he's sitting up. He 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.080 doesn't even really acknowledge me when I walk in, which 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.160 was weird. He doesn't really seem to notice that I've 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.960 come in the room. He's just sort of looking over 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:37.160 my head, just staring at a spot above his doorframe, 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.280 kind of quietly, which is odd for a baby. And 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:45.320 so I just grab him and he just kept looking 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.560 at the spot. So I turn around to see what 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:54.480 he's looking at, and there's nothing there. J ust the 0:27:54.560 --> 0:28:02.440 empty space over the doorway. I'm holding him. He doesn't 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.119 seem to be upset. He doesn't seem to be hurt, 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.760 he's just quiet. And then at that point everything starts 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.840 to feel like it's getting normal again, and I don't 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:18.840 feel danger anymore. And my husband, he starts trying to 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.880 explain it away. Maybe I just imagined those noises. Maybe 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.040 he wasn't massaging my shoulder. What if I was just 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.719 having some kind of very strange shoulder spasm? Or what 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.440 if there was some odd draft from the doors opening 0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:37.320 and closing creating suction? We had lived there for a 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.680 long time. I know that there's not a situation that 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.600 causes drafts to open and close doors. I know that 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.640 the temperature change couldn't have just happened. And I know 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:52.040 what my husband's hand feels like. I know it was 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:57.320 my husband's hand touching my shoulder. But my son convinced 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:02.640 me that something had happened. What was he looking at? 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.200 He's never done that before, He's never done it since. 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.560 He was looking at something. Something woke him up. Something got 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:15.800 his attention. Something got my attention. So it was almost like, Okay, 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.000 he and I are in this together. He knows and 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:24.160 I know something happened. The house is gone now. We 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.960 got a notice that some development company bought the whole 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:30.479 block and they built luxury condos. So if there's a 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:34.680 ghost in your house and then the neighborhood gets gentrified, 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.960