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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic and this is next question.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to remember now, but in the early days

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Speaker 1: go outside was as habitual as slipping on your shoes.

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen was a virus that seemed to only affect

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Speaker 1: the young and vibrant did get sick, it seemed as

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Speaker 1: But as we all now know, no one was truly

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Speaker 1: safe from COVID nineteen, and one of the earliest to

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Speaker 1: sound that alarm was Los Angeles fitness trainer Amanda Klutes.

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Speaker 1: I know my husband with of nothing more than to

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Speaker 1: go on a beautiful walk through Laurea Canyon. He would

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Speaker 1: love them, so do it for these people. They can't

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Speaker 1: do it right now because in mid March, Amanda's husband,

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Speaker 1: then Nick Cordero, was feeling run down and taking frequent

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Speaker 1: naps several hours a day. I'm sitting outside of Cedar

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Speaker 1: Amanda started sharing updates on Instagram. I just finished my

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Speaker 1: daily visit to go stand outside and play Nick song

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Speaker 1: Within days of being admitted, Nick was on a ventil

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Speaker 1: later and in a medically induced coma. So yes, my

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Speaker 1: husband is in the I see you and Yes. By

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Speaker 1: mid April his leg was amputated. He has to pull

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Speaker 1: through because all of this was his plan, l a moving,

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Speaker 1: buying a first home. By July, he was gone, hug

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Speaker 1: your loved ones, because I'm telling you, when I get

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Speaker 1: to hug Nick again, it's going to be like the

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Speaker 1: best in my life. Nick was just forty one years old.

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Speaker 1: He was a Tony nominated Broadway star, an aspiring musician,

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Speaker 1: and a new dad. That is the short version of

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Speaker 1: the story. The long and truly moving version of that

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Speaker 1: pandemic tragedy is now a memoir called Live Your Life,

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Speaker 1: My Story of Loving and Losing Nick Cordero. It was

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Speaker 1: written by Amanda Clutes with the help of her sister Anna,

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Speaker 1: and I was lucky enough to talk to Amanda about Nick,

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Speaker 1: the writing process, the heartbreak, and the healing. Amanda I

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Speaker 1: hate even asking you to relive this, but you know,

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Speaker 1: and I followed you so closely as you told your story,

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Speaker 1: really courageously and so openly, which I want to ask

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Speaker 1: people what happened to because his diagnosis was so shocking

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Speaker 1: and discombobulating and confusing, and it was in the early

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Speaker 1: if you know, when with my husband's illness, I think,

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Speaker 1: why didn't I recognize this? Why didn't I see this?

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Speaker 1: Why didn't I appreciate that this was happening to his body?

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Speaker 1: And and you all were I think, I mean it

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Speaker 1: was a bit of magical thinking, but also just a

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Speaker 1: lack of understanding about this this virus. So tell me

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Speaker 1: about Nick. When he first got sick, he was just really,

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Speaker 1: really tired, sleeping all the time, and honestly, Katie, to

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Speaker 1: you know, we still don't know how he got COVID.

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Speaker 1: We will never know this it's impossible to trace, you know.

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Speaker 1: loved that. I did. No, Actually, we had a we

428
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: had an epic honeymoon that I'm honestly like, thank god

429
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: we did that. And and the bit that Anna was

430
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: on actually was a good amount of friends we were

431
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: with and it was so great, it was so great.

432
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: But um, she was such a part of our lives

433
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: and so um, you know, was the perfect person to

434
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: do this with. And um, you know Nick passed and

435
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: they they And by no means we're pressuring me to

436
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: start writing. But I went to Ohio with my parents

437
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: just to kind of decompress and have like some time,

438
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: and I put Elvis to bed one night and I

439
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: just started writing. Um. And again, I think it was

440
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: that whole thing of be myself therapy. And I didn't

441
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: even know I was doing it. Um, I'm so glad

442
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: I did. I would write till one o'clock in the morning.

443
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: Through tears. I mean there were sometimes I couldn't even

444
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: see the keyboard or what I was typing because I

445
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: was crying so hard. And I would stay up till

446
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: like one or two o'clock in the morning, and I

447
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: would just kind of, you know, just right um, not

448
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: really even knowing, you know, what I was writing necessarily,

449
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: And I started sending things to Anna, and Anna started

450
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: kind of putting it into something and and that's kind

451
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: of how we started writing this book together. And it

452
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: was a really magical experience and and I think for

453
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: both of us, really cathartic, because you know, Anna was

454
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: such a part of this story, and I think it

455
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: really helped us both to process everything. And I'm really

456
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: glad I started writing it when I did, because I'm

457
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: sure you could understand, Katie, Like everything was so fresh

458
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: in my mind, the numb verst, the medical terms, the dates,

459
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: like I knew the dates, what the hospital looked like,

460
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: everything sort of the layout of the hospital, almost, the

461
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: smell of the hospital, the room numbers, the names of nurses,

462
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like everything, the medications, Like I mean, you

463
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: had I had it in my brain. It was so there.

464
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: If you asked me to write this book. Now, I

465
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I don't have that memory. Unless I

466
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: had written things down, I would not have been able

467
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: to member, like, remember the details in this book are

468
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: so just there there because it was so fresh in

469
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: my memory. And I'm so glad that I just put

470
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: my pen to paper or my fingers to the keyboard

471
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: because it needed to be written down, especially for Elvis.

472
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm so glad this book exists for Elvis because it

473
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: really like I think we'll give him a lot of

474
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: piece one day too, I'm sure. And I think the

475
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: process is so interesting, Amanda, because Anna was in Paris

476
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: and you were in California and Ohio. I guess both,

477
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: um and so you would write and and so you

478
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: had a time difference, and and I guess when she'd

479
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: wake up, she'd kind of how did that work? It

480
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: actually ironically worked out great when when I brought her

481
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: on board for this project, she was just about to

482
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: leave for Paris, and I thought to myself, Anna, I

483
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: don't know how we're gonna do this, Like I think

484
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: you should stay in Laurel Canyon with me and let's

485
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: like write this book and then you go to Paris.

486
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: And she, you know, was just adamant about getting back

487
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: to Paris rightfully. So um, and I'm so glad she did.

488
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: But it actually worked out perfectly because as she was

489
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: waking up, I was going to bed, so I was

490
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: just finishing, you know, whatever I was finishing, and I

491
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: would press send and literally I'd like pull the covers

492
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: over me, and I'd get a text message from her going,

493
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: I just woke up, sister, or I saw your email.

494
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm on it. And so then she would work all

495
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: during the day and then by the time I would

496
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: wake up, I would have her notes, and so that

497
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: after I put Elvis down for bed, I could start

498
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: on her notes. It really flowed so well. And then

499
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: we would get on the phone and FaceTime or you know,

500
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: chat if we needed to kind of like go through details,

501
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: or I would say to her a lot like, um,

502
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, actually, Anna, that's not right, or that's not

503
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: what I was thinking, or you know, she knows me

504
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: so well. I mean, we we used to call Nick

505
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and she would pick up the she would call him

506
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: and pretend to be me and he wouldn't even know.

507
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how she. She sounds like me, talks

508
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: like me. I mean, we finished these other sentences. So

509
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times she would write something and and

510
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: I would be like, oh my gosh, Anna, like I

511
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: can't like it's like you were inside my brain. And

512
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: then other time she would I would be like, that's

513
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: actually not what I was thinking. He's like, oh okay, man,

514
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, tell me. And so we had a

515
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of beautiful moments, and then a lot of times

516
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: where I would go to bed sobbing and she would

517
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: text me and she would say, Sister, I know I

518
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: went to bed sobbing too. Um, I can't believe this happened.

519
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: And I would write back, I can't believe this happened either.

520
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem real. And um, you know because you

521
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: write this that you write it down, especially Katie, like

522
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: when you read the book, all of the things that

523
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: are so weird, all the coincidences, all the people that

524
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: started coming into our lives, it just like it doesn't

525
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: seem real, you know. And so a lot of times

526
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: we would be writing something and we would just say like,

527
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem real, and yet we know it was.

528
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: We lift it, but it just doesn't seem real. Still,

529
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: and the dedication you write for Nick, now you know

530
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: your story for Elvis. Now you have his story. I'm

531
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: curious because you're very honest about some of your struggles

532
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: with Nick um and were you ever tempted Amanda with

533
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Anna to kind of um given almost sanitized version of

534
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: of Nick. Because this is going to be a real

535
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: lesson and kind of an education for Elvis. And I'm

536
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: curious how you weighed those two things about being you know,

537
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: showing Nick as a complete human being flaws and all. Yeah, well,

538
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean we all have flaws. I mean one of

539
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: my biggest flaws through you know, my relationship with Nick

540
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: was and I you know, hate myself for it, Um,

541
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: but I never really truly believed in his music like

542
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: it was you know. I hate to say that, but

543
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't until he was in the hospital and I

544
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: I started singing Live your Life every day that I

545
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: was like, this is an amazing song, and wow, like

546
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: my husband so talented, but gosh, you know, and I

547
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: think this is so relatable. Nick was forty, I was

548
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: thirty eight. We had a new baby, and he wanted

549
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: to like go into music, and I was just like,

550
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, honey, like I don't know if this is

551
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: the time to you know, go on tour with a

552
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: band around the world, the country and in a bus

553
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: two bars. You know what, how how how are we

554
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: supposed to So, you know, I look back and I'm like, gosh,

555
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: I really sucked as like being the supportive wife, you know.

556
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: And we thought about moving to California for all year

557
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: we thought about it. He wanted to come to California.

558
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: That's where he smelled opportunity, and that's where music was,

559
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: and that's where he had to be. And I was like, well,

560
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: my business is here in New York and and in

561
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: the actor world for you knows you here, and and

562
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: my parents have across the hall, and my sisters are

563
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: up the street, like we're really leaving, We're gonna go

564
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: across the country. And your mom is in Toronto, an

565
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: hour flight from New York work. She comes down all

566
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: the time, you know, Like and you just want to

567
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: pick us up and leave us. Yeah, but you know

568
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: that's that's marriage. Like, give me a marriage that's perfect

569
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: all the time, that two people are perfect all the

570
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: time with no flaws. That doesn't exist. And and so

571
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: to to tell this story and pretend like we were

572
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: this perfect couple or that we never had problems, or

573
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: that we never you know, got on each other's nerves

574
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: or or almost broke up, you know, before we really

575
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: kind of got it together. I just you know, that's

576
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: not the truth. And if I hope, if anything, after

577
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: following me through all of this, you know I'm an

578
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: honest person. I will always give you the honest report

579
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: about things going down, because you know there's enough you know,

580
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: making everything perfect for the world and social media especially,

581
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I think we're all kind of sick of that, right.

582
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: What would you ideal like Elvis to say, when he's

583
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: old enough to read this book, I'm so glad you

584
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: wrote this, Mom. I'm you know, I'm so glad that

585
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: I know I have I'm so glad I have this.

586
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that my family will have this. Um.

587
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: You know, I think, like I said, there's there's so

588
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: if I didn't, if I hadn't written this down, it

589
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: would have all been from memory. And I think we

590
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: can all attest to the fact that as years pass on,

591
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: you're like, yes, you were born June tenth, it was

592
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: in the morning, six something, and you weighed seven pounds

593
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: and I fourteen owns is I mean you know, I

594
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: mean unless it's written down. As time goes on, you

595
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: just forget things, and I don't. I this was something

596
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to forget. I don't ever want

597
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: to pass by this story and and who Nick was

598
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: and how hard he fought, because he truly did. He

599
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: fought so hard, and I know he did. I saw it.

600
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: And you know, Elvis will never know because he was

601
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: too little and by the time he came to the hospital,

602
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: it was too late. You know, Nick was was almost

603
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: passing and and Elvis was you know, he wasn't old

604
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: enough to fully understand where he was or who he

605
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: was even seeing. So you know, I'm just glad that

606
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: he has this now. Um and I'm and I'm you know,

607
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: it was crazy. There was a day where Jennifer Love Hewitt,

608
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: who has become a dear friend through all of this,

609
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: she she called me. She's like, I have to talk

610
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: to you, and I was like, okay, And you know,

611
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: she's very spiritual, and she said, I had an amazing

612
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: dream about Nick. He visited me in my dreams, took

613
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: me on a walk through laure O Canyon and was

614
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: talking to me about your book. And he said he

615
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: sat beside you every day when you wrote and he

616
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: now knows his story and he has closure on his life.

617
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: He knows what happened to him in the hospital. And

618
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. And so I had

619
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: never thought of it that way. I never wrote this

620
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: book so that Nick had closure. But it makes sense.

621
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: You mean, you'll see in the book. I I was

622
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: positive Penny every day in that hospital overrem I never

623
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: let anything negative enter his room, and if a doctor

624
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: walked him, we always exited to talk. It was only

625
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: positive things. I never really let him know the severity

626
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: of his situation because I just wanted him to to

627
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: focus on living and walking out of that hospital one

628
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: day and having his code rocky. And so he never knew.

629
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: And um, I never thought of it that way until

630
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: she said that, And then I was like, wow, that's

631
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: so Nick needing closure on his life. Of course, we all,

632
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of us are closure people, and

633
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: Nick was he he would have needed this closure. And

634
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: so when I wrote the dedication, it was actually the

635
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: day I started my audiobook recording of it, and and

636
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: she said, sorry, the director Travis said, do you know

637
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: your dedication yet? I said I do now. I said,

638
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: it's very simple and I wrote the dedication because now

639
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: Nick knows his story, and now Elvis has the story.

640
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: When we come back, Amanda share some funny Nick stories

641
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: and a very touching letter that's right after this. Now,

642
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: please welcome Tony nominee Nick Cordero and the Company of

643
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: Bullets over Broadway. Yeah. In preparing for this interview, I

644
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: went back and watched Nick's Tony performance and there you were. Yeah.

645
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, that's Amanda, She's in there. You

646
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: were handing him something right, yes, his his gun. And

647
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: it was so exciting because you know, when you're in

648
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: a Broadway show, you only get nominated if you're a

649
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: New Broadway show, and so you only perform if you're

650
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: a New Broadway show. So it's it's a huge, you know,

651
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: a huge deal if you're asked to perform at the

652
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: Tony Awards and you're a performer. I mean there's a

653
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: lot of times you do fourteen Broadway shows but never

654
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: get to perform at the Tony Awards because it just

655
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. And so they you know, the number

656
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: that they did was an all male number. Nick's big

657
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: number because he was nominated for a Tony and Susan

658
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: Stroman called me up one day. I'll never forget it,

659
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: and she said, you know, we need um somebody to

660
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: come on and carry give Nick his gun, and so

661
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: I thought it would be perfect if it was you.

662
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: And I think she had a good inkling that Nick

663
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: and I were, you know, kind of flirting from on

664
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: stage and off stage, and so I know she kind

665
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: of probably picked me for that reason too. But it

666
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: was very kind of her to choose me to just

667
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: walk out and walk walk out, walk on and off

668
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: stage because it was so excited that I got to

669
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: perform with the Tony Awards and and give Nick his gun.

670
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: And then no one really knows, but he really messed

671
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: up his lines um singing, and as I was handing

672
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: him his gun, I was smiling, going, oh god, you're

673
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: really just messed up your lines. And he's looking at

674
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: me like I just messed up my lines. And he

675
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: killed himself the whole day. Oh, he was so sad

676
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: that he messed up his lines. But nobody knew unless

677
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: you knew. I was gonna say, I think you're the

678
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: only two who noticed. But I saw him dancing and

679
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: singing and thought, wow, you know he's he was so tall, right,

680
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: how tall was nixt six five katies? Oh my god.

681
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: He was a fantastic dancer. And that's hard when you're

682
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: that tall, isn't it to dance like that? Yeah? And

683
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Susan Struman is all about dancing

684
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: into the ground, you know, really using your lower body,

685
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: kind of staying underneath yourself when you dance that, you know,

686
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: just you know. And it was an all male number

687
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: and there you know, the you know, gangsters, and so

688
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: it was very like down and dirty kind of number.

689
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: And uh, right from Bullets over Broadway obviously, and what

690
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: was the song? I'm trying to remember the sunny business.

691
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: It ain't nobody's business if I do, right, Yeah, get

692
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: back to slack at leave for four another thing business

693
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: if I do. And so it was great, you know,

694
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: ned worked every day on that dance number. Even before

695
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: we started rehearsals. Susan Struman had him doing private tab

696
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: lessons with James Gray, the associate choreographer, and uh, there

697
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: there are many days in the rehearsal room before we

698
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: started rehearsals that I was the I was the costume model,

699
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: so I was doing the costume modeling and he was

700
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: in the other room doing private tap lessons, and you know,

701
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: we we didn't even like each other that I mean,

702
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: we were just friendly, like hi, Hi. But you know,

703
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: it's just funny to look back on those memories and

704
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: know that I was, you know, naked, wrapped in fur

705
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: in one room and he's doing private tap lessons in another.

706
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: And I believe you write about the fact that he

707
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: caught a glimpse of you naked wrapped him for and

708
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: that might have changed the dynamics ever so slightly. Amanda,

709
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: that was a funny moment. The dole evanted door opened,

710
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh Anna, and you obviously were

711
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: closer than close before you started this book, and now

712
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: I think probably you know, two heart speat is one

713
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: in many ways. I don't know where I got that,

714
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: but it sounded good. And uh, she you and wlu

715
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: did um a letter she wrote you on Mother's Day

716
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: because you were a little a slightly miffed and disappointed

717
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: that Nick didn't make a fuss when you were pregnant

718
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: with Elvis, and then of course he couldn't for the

719
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: next Mother's Day. But she wrote you a really moving letter,

720
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: and I wondered if you could read a little bit

721
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: of that for us. Oh wow, um yeah, sure, okay

722
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: Chapter twelve on Mother's Day. Okay, here we go. Dear Elvis,

723
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: it's your mom's first Mother's Day, And to use the

724
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: same words that your dad did in her birthday card,

725
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: it is not the kind she wanted or deserves. But

726
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: she woke up this morning as she always does, with

727
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: a full heart and a smile. You're eleven months old today.

728
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: You don't know or understand what is going on in

729
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: the world right now, or what has happened to your family,

730
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: and for that I am so grateful. One day you

731
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: will be able to look back and know what happened

732
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: when you were just a little baby boy are petite.

733
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: You will be able to read about how things change

734
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: so quickly, how our world stopped, and how slowly our

735
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: earth healed from it. You will understand why we always

736
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: linger a second longer now when we hug, and why

737
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: we never miss a birthday, party, a wedding, or a holiday.

738
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: You will know why your mom and uncle Todd and

739
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: I are bonded in the most unbreakable way now. But

740
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: there are some things she's not telling you in her letters.

741
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: Things she won't come out and say herself. And so

742
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm writing you this one so that you will know, Elvis,

743
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: you don't have a regular mom, you have a super mom.

744
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I can't get through this letter. Um. Right now, you're

745
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: into everything. You destroy the perfectly clean house in a

746
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: matter of seconds. You open every cabinet you shouldn't touch,

747
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: and play with everything but your toys. You trying to

748
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: take down paintings, topple tables, and splash in the toilet.

749
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: Everything you pick up, you trying to put in your mouth,

750
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: from dirty shoes to rocks to lemons that fall from

751
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: the tree in the backyard. She never yells, She never frustrated,

752
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: She never ever shouts. She looks at you with eyes

753
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: that outpour admiration and laughs as you get into mischief, Elvis,

754
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: she is a warrior. What has happened to your dad

755
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: is sometimes impossible to believe so much so quickly, It

756
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: feels to us like it can't be real. Your mom

757
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: has dealt with more fear and pain and stress in

758
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: the last six weeks than most people could ever endure

759
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: in a lifetime. Keep going, No, that's good, Um, how

760
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: did she close it? Um? She says that I have

761
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: never seen someone gives someone else the kind of pure

762
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: and selfless love that your mom gives you. You hit

763
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: the jackpot kid getting her for a mom. I know,

764
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: because I hit the jackpot too when I got her

765
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: first sister. That's so beautiful and so nice. And now

766
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: you know, I think about you, Amanda because she find

767
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: yourself a single mom, which is really hard, I know.

768
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: And how are you handling just being that person that

769
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: you never imagined you'd be? I mean it's yeah, it's hard. Um.

770
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: You know, you feel a lot of pressure to be

771
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: like two people, you know, to give like as more

772
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: than you possibly could give because he's missing half of

773
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: what he should have. Um. There's pressure to provide and

774
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: make sure that I can give him everything I possibly

775
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: can in life. UM. And then there's like days where

776
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: you're just really frustrated because I'm trying to like do

777
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: emails and text people back and even just have a

778
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: sip of coffee or take a shower, and he won't

779
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: let you. Um, and you're just you know, fresh straight

780
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: in and that's really hard because you're like, gosh, I

781
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: just wish there was like somebody else here that could

782
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, his dad, that could be like come on, Elvis,

783
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: like we're gonna do this so mom could go shower.

784
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: That person isn't there, and you know, no one's you know,

785
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: no one sees those times. You know, no one sees

786
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: like those struggles where you're just like, uh, you know,

787
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: but you like love your kids so much, it's never

788
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: not about that. Um. But I have really great help.

789
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: I have the best manny and nanny, and I have

790
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: these friends that will literally do anything for me I have.

791
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I have really like the I'm so lucky to have

792
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: these people in my life. And my brother lives in

793
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco. He'll come down any time I asked him.

794
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: He's in a car, um driving the six hour drive

795
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: to get down here and be with me and Elvis.

796
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he thinks of Elvis as a son. So

797
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky in that respect. But yeah, I mean

798
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's really hard being a single parent. Um.

799
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, my heart goes out to any single parent

800
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: out there. It's hard alone to be a parent. You know.

801
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about, like, dash, maybe I could

802
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: open my heart to someone else or is that just

803
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: something that you aren't allowing yourself to even think about.

804
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: And I can't believe I'm asking you such a personal question.

805
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: But I sort of feel like I can. Yeah, you can, Katie,

806
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean obviously you know I asked you this question

807
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: when I when I talked to you when we first met.

808
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: I think, um, because it's so crazy, Yes, I listen.

809
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: I firmly believe that if Nick could have spoke on

810
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: his went on his days that he was lost here,

811
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: he would have looked at me and said, you better

812
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: fall in love again. You better find a amazing man

813
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: and somebody that loves Elvis as much as as much

814
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: as I possibly, you know, as much as possible. Um.

815
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: I would have said the same thing to him. So

816
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: I know he would have said the same thing to

817
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: me if he could have. I know he doesn't want

818
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 1: me to be alone. UM. So yeah, I I love

819
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: that idea. UM. I love having a companion. I love

820
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: being married. I love having a husband. If that happens

821
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: again in my life, I will be so grateful for it. UM.

822
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: Not ready just yet. I you know, I'm sure like

823
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: maybe i'll know. I don't know, Maybe I won't know.

824
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily is like a day you

825
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: wake up and you're like, I'm ready to start dating. UM.

826
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: I feel grateful that I I feel. I feel okay

827
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: being alone, I feel okay being a single mother. I

828
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: feel okay not thing anyone right now. So um, I

829
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: think I'll just take it day by day and and see.

830
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: But I hope that there's somebody out there for me.

831
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I hope. So I think there is. I know there is.

832
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: Not that I'm a witch or anything, but you know,

833
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that was a beautiful moment.

834
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: It's in the book. But gosh, my mother in law,

835
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: Nick's mom, who she's a she's a warrior. Oh my god.

836
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: And she lost her husband, um three years ago. So

837
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: she's lost her husband and then she lost her son.

838
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: And one of the really tough days in the hospital

839
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: where we didn't know if Nick was going to make it,

840
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: we were outside eating lunch and she said to me,

841
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: because she was Amanda, I want you to find somebody again.

842
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I want you to. You need to. You're you're going

843
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: to find somebody again. I want you to. Our whole

844
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: family wants you to. Okay, Like, don't you think that,

845
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: like we're gonna be mad at you or be sad

846
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: if you have a new life with somebody. You should

847
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: have a new life with somebody, And I was like

848
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: looking at her, and I was like, your son is

849
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: in the hospital passing away, and you have enough strength

850
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: and courage and love for me, um to sit here

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Speaker 1: it's a real privilege to know you well, Katie, I

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Speaker 1: As my mom would say. That makes it official. We're

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Speaker 1: is called Live Your Life, My Story of Loving and

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Speaker 1: Losing Nick Cordero. It's out now on the next installment

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Speaker 1: of my summer book series. I think that this is

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Speaker 1: former Xerox CEO, on her extraordinary life, her trailblazing career,

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Speaker 1: week on Next Question. Next Question with Katie Kurik is

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