WEBVTT - From the Vault: Mud, Part 3

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Saturday. It is time for another Vault episode. This

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be Mud Part three, which originally published

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<v Speaker 1>seven thirteen, twenty twenty three. Let's sync right into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Joe McCormick, and we're back with part three

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<v Speaker 3>in our series on mud. Yes, mud, regular mud wet soil,

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<v Speaker 3>especially of the clay and silt sized particle variety. So

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<v Speaker 3>in previous parts of the series, we talked about what

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<v Speaker 3>mud is, what its physical properties are, the role it

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<v Speaker 3>played in the history of shaping Earth's continents, and how

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<v Speaker 3>life colonized those continents. We talked in the previous episode

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<v Speaker 3>about many animal behaviors that relate to mud. We talked

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<v Speaker 3>about pigs wallowing in mud, Arnold Schwarzenegger wallowing and mud.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked about mud skippers and other animals whose lives

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<v Speaker 3>involve mud in one way or another. But of course,

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<v Speaker 3>mud also plays a big role in human culture and

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<v Speaker 3>human technology, even in the building of many important human settlements.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what we're going to focus on today mud

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<v Speaker 3>especially as a building material for humans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the mud brick especially because you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>could build things out of mud, I guess without forming

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a brick or you know, something to

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<v Speaker 1>to stack, something to use, but it would be messy,

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be very effective. And that's where the mud

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<v Speaker 1>brick comes into play here, and the ability to turn

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<v Speaker 1>mud into this thing that then can be mass produced

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<v Speaker 1>and used to build a variety of things. Brian M.

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<v Speaker 1>Fagan features several chapters that touch on mud bricks in

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<v Speaker 1>The Negreat Inventions of the Ancient World. In a chapter

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<v Speaker 1>on dwellings with Kate, Spence pointed out that we we

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely can't consider human dwellings and the development and advancement

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<v Speaker 1>of materials and techniques without also taking into account the

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<v Speaker 1>shape of human culture at a given time and the

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<v Speaker 1>environment in which they're constructed.

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<v Speaker 3>The series of episodes has repeatedly just forced me to

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<v Speaker 3>think about the interesting web of back and forth interactions

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<v Speaker 3>between inorganic geological conditions in certain places on Earth and

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<v Speaker 3>the life and culture that arises there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right now. On that first count, that

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<v Speaker 1>idea of you know what you know, where are people going,

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<v Speaker 1>where are they living their lives in ancient times. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>as we've discussed before, there are modes of life and

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<v Speaker 1>technology that makes sense if you're settled long term in

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<v Speaker 1>a single area, But other modes make more sense if

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<v Speaker 1>you're nomadic or semi nomadic, as many of our global

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<v Speaker 1>ancestors were. So for nomadic peoples, it might make more

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<v Speaker 1>sense to depend for shelter on some manner of say

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<v Speaker 1>wood frame plus hide tense scenario, or to depend on

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<v Speaker 1>very fixed, even naturally occurring shelters that you could take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of periodically, such as caves. There's also room in

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<v Speaker 1>this for more permanent structures that seasonal settlements, places that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to come back to again and again, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when the seasons allow it, or the you know, crops,

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<v Speaker 1>movements of animals, whatever happens to be the case, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there are going to be you know, other modes

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<v Speaker 1>of temporary constructions that are going to make sense as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other main point is that of climate and environment.

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<v Speaker 1>What is possible in a given area from a local

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<v Speaker 1>material standpoint, would for example, makes an excellent material for

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<v Speaker 1>building in ancient times as well as in our own

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<v Speaker 1>modern world. But if it's harder to come by, if

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be imported, et cetera, then it may

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<v Speaker 1>make more sense to use it only for key roles

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<v Speaker 1>such as is for instance, framing, and lean more heavily

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<v Speaker 1>on other materials that are easier to acquire.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes sense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Spence does note in their chapter that the thing

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<v Speaker 1>about many ancient building supplies is that they simply don't

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<v Speaker 1>survive the passage of time. But we know our ancestors

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<v Speaker 1>used wood and even bones as tent structures between twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five and twelve thousand years ago in Eurasia at Jericho,

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<v Speaker 1>which this book site says at least at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest evidence of occupation there dated back to before

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand BCE, and it seems that the earliest houses

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<v Speaker 1>there were built out of quote unquote clay lumps and

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<v Speaker 1>probably also made use of wooden building frames before they

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<v Speaker 1>transition to mud brick buildings. For first first circular in nature,

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<v Speaker 1>and then later they used rectangular designs with multiple rooms.

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<v Speaker 3>So tell me about mud bricks.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so mud bricks are pretty fascinating. I didn't expect

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<v Speaker 1>to get so into mud bricks, but this book, and

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<v Speaker 1>then another one I'm going to refer to in a

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<v Speaker 1>bit really get into it and made me appreciate them. So,

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<v Speaker 1>mud bricks are especially useful in arid environments because mud bricks,

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<v Speaker 1>like other forms of solid masonry, are poor conductors of heat.

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<v Speaker 1>Thick walls of mud brick will slow the rate at

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<v Speaker 1>which the exterior solar heat is absorbed into the interior.

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<v Speaker 3>Environment, so they're good insulators if you're living in say,

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<v Speaker 3>a hot desert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And additionally, structures like this, which are still common

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<v Speaker 1>throughout North Africa, the author notes here, often feature high

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<v Speaker 1>ceilings and small openings set high in the wall to

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<v Speaker 1>encourage airflow. Also flat roofs since there tends to be

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<v Speaker 1>less rainfall to contend with. So it's a design that

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<v Speaker 1>has stood the test of time. It's the building material

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<v Speaker 1>that is stood the test of time. Now, the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, all buildings in general require upkeep, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what you're building in them out. Modern buildings upkeep as well,

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<v Speaker 1>But of course mud brick buildings require regular upkeep against erosion.

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<v Speaker 1>That is specific to the nature of mud bricks, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into that more in just a bit as well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventy grade Inventions of the Ancient World. It's

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<v Speaker 1>later noted in a chapter with Jeffrey P. Killen that

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<v Speaker 1>mud bricks were also used in the construction of furniture,

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<v Speaker 1>such as among the poorer classes. In ancient Egypt, Wood

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<v Speaker 1>and ivory were materials of the wealthy, while mud brick

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<v Speaker 1>platforms served as beds by night and benches by day

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<v Speaker 1>for common folk.

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<v Speaker 3>As a side note on the subject of ancient Egyptian beds,

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<v Speaker 3>if you've never seen ancient Egyptian the head rests, you

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<v Speaker 3>should look that up. Where instead of pillows, they would

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<v Speaker 3>have sort of a stand for your head to lie on,

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<v Speaker 3>like a rigid stand. I find that really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we didn't we discuss this in the Invention of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bed episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, memory Serves.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the work of a researcher who was

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<v Speaker 1>like recreating these and testing them out.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, I don't remember what the conclusions of that were,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, very interesting. So imagine instead of a soft pillow,

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<v Speaker 3>you use like a little hard podium for your head

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<v Speaker 3>to lie on.

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<v Speaker 1>Now elsewhere in this book, it also points out that

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<v Speaker 1>extensive town walls appeared in the sixth and fifth centuries BCE,

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<v Speaker 1>often constructed of mud bricks, but with stone facing or

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<v Speaker 1>and or rubble filling. An example of this would be

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<v Speaker 1>the long walls of classical Athens. These were destroyed by

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman general Sula during the first century BCE, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had been rebuilt even before that. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the nature of fortifications. And then also you know

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the part of it also is the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of mud bricks, which we'll come back to. By

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<v Speaker 1>the third century BCE, mud bricks were a common material

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<v Speaker 1>in the construction of walled cities among various Mediterranean civilizations,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Fagan. Now, one something that also comes up

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<v Speaker 1>in these chapters is that mud bricks would have also

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<v Speaker 1>been used in the construction of what was considered an antiquity,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the seven Wonders of the ancient world, the

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<v Speaker 1>hanging gardens of Babylon or the garden terraces of Babylon

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<v Speaker 1>that are often attributed to the ruler Nebechonezer, who lived

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<v Speaker 1>six oh five through five sixty two BCE.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, when I was a kid, I had a little

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<v Speaker 3>booklet that I read a lot that was about the

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<v Speaker 3>seven wonders of the ancient world, and one of them

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<v Speaker 3>was the hanging gardens of Babylon, And I never understood

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<v Speaker 3>what the deal with the word hanging was. I was

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<v Speaker 3>imagining them like dangling from chains, but what were those

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<v Speaker 3>dangling from? I didn't get the hanging part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it seems that a more accurate description would

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<v Speaker 1>be terraced. We're essentially talking about great terraced gardens. So

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get into this a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, obviously if something's being held up is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the wonders of the age is during this time,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was made out of mud bricks, mud bricks

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<v Speaker 1>being something that you know, you might without knowing much

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<v Speaker 1>about it, you might just think, well, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>simplistic this is an old fashioned form of construction. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's look a little deeper. So I picked up a book.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a new book came out just this year

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<v Speaker 1>that we've actually been been in discussions with having the

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<v Speaker 1>author on the show. Even it's such a neat looking volume.

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<v Speaker 1>It's titled The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, Science, Engineering,

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<v Speaker 1>and Technology by Michael Dennis Higgins. It's a great book.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks at not only what's historically known and or

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<v Speaker 1>alleged regarding these wonders and how it ties into what

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<v Speaker 1>we know about the geology of the regions where these

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<v Speaker 1>wonders were located or thought to be located, but also

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<v Speaker 1>what recreation in the modern world might look like. So

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter three of the book deals with the Gardens of Mesopotamia,

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<v Speaker 1>because while the traditional view Higgins rides is that the

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<v Speaker 1>gardens were set in the walled city of Babylon and

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<v Speaker 1>what is now central Iraq just south of Baghdad during

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth century BCE, there is also growing support for

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that they weren't located here at all, but

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<v Speaker 1>were in Ninevah during the seventh century BCE, in what

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<v Speaker 1>is now northern Iraq near mosul Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>So that would make sense because then I would assume

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<v Speaker 3>that would mean they wouldn't be the gardens of Babylon

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<v Speaker 3>but of Assyria, right because Ninevah was the capital of Assyria,

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<v Speaker 3>but still would have been between the rivers, still would

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<v Speaker 3>have been Mesopotamia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One thing that that Higgins stresses, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>to keep in mind with the Wonders of the ancient world,

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<v Speaker 1>the seven Wonders of the Ancient World, is that these

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<v Speaker 1>were these this was like a list that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was put together in the Hellenistic world, and the concerning

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<v Speaker 1>things that were often far away. And this is especially

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<v Speaker 1>the case. These were the This, These were the East.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the east most wonder on the list by

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<v Speaker 1>a considerable margin, and it was so far away that

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<v Speaker 1>you could basically say whatever you wanted and it would

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<v Speaker 1>not be questioned.

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<v Speaker 3>I've often thought of the writings about these as kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the Forbes travel Guide of the ancient Greeks, but

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<v Speaker 3>maybe with some shaky sourcing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because again, the idea of the seventh Wonders of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ancient World are basically a first century BCE creation,

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<v Speaker 1>and in this particular case, they're dealing with something from

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth or seventh century BC. Higgins writes, quote, we

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<v Speaker 1>will never know definitively the where and when of the gardens,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is likely that more than one Mesopotamian ruler

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<v Speaker 1>had remarkable gardens that may have been conflated in stories

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<v Speaker 1>and accounts relayed to the far off Mediterranean world. Higgins

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<v Speaker 1>also had this other great little addition. He says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we should perhaps be wary of imposing a modern view

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<v Speaker 1>of garden life. In one panel from the north palace

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<v Speaker 1>of Ashur, Banipal, king of the Neo Assyrian Empire from

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<v Speaker 1>six sixty nine through six point thirty one BCE. The

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<v Speaker 1>king is taking refreshments while listening to music with his

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<v Speaker 1>wife amid luxuriant trees, from one of which hangs the

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<v Speaker 1>severed head of an enemy. So I don't know quite

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<v Speaker 1>what to make of that, but fair enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you like to celebrate your accomplishments, and that can

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<v Speaker 3>take many forms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, anyway, onto the bricks. So their role in the

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<v Speaker 1>construction of the gardens would vary depending on where exactly

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<v Speaker 1>this garden would have been. Higgins writes that there are

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<v Speaker 1>five ancient descriptions of the gardens. The most detailed stems

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<v Speaker 1>from Greek writer Deodora Siclis during the first century BCE,

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<v Speaker 1>but he does not identify the actual city where this

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be, and he also doesn't name the ruler.

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<v Speaker 1>All he says is that it is a quote Syrian king. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of details mentioned in this account,

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<v Speaker 1>and it specifically mentions bricks. He describes ascending tiered terraces

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<v Speaker 1>full of abundant plat life, made level with the opposing

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<v Speaker 1>battlements of the city opposing as in like they're inside

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<v Speaker 1>the city and they're looking at the you know, their

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<v Speaker 1>opposite an interior wall. So this particular account describes that

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<v Speaker 1>the roofs over a series of galleries were layered with

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<v Speaker 1>stone beams. Then they put down a layer of reeds

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<v Speaker 1>and bitumen. Then two courses of baked bricks bonded by

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<v Speaker 1>cement were put over this. And we'll have more on

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<v Speaker 1>baked bricks in a minute. Then there's a layer of

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<v Speaker 1>lead to prevent moisture from creeping down, and then enough

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<v Speaker 1>dirt and soil on top of all that to accommodate

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<v Speaker 1>the roots of quote the largest trees. So a considerable

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<v Speaker 1>garden project any way you look at it, like definitely

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<v Speaker 1>more involved than anything any of us are doing in

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<v Speaker 1>our backyards. Okay, so I mentioned baked bricks. When it

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<v Speaker 1>come to mud bricks specifically, so Higgins stresses that these

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<v Speaker 1>were mud bricks were the most important building material in

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<v Speaker 1>Mesopotamian cities, and this was especially true of Babylon, which

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<v Speaker 1>had no outcroppings of stone in the immediate area Nineveh.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, up there there was a local

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<v Speaker 1>supply of limestone, so they were able to lean on

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<v Speaker 1>that much more for their construction needs. However, mud bricks

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<v Speaker 1>were still used there because they were traditional and or inexpensive.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So you could quarry out stone bricks up

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<v Speaker 3>in ninev if you need them, but mud bricks are

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<v Speaker 3>still just cheaper and more efficient in many ways. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there were something people were used to using

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<v Speaker 3>and they get the job done.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right now. The process of making the mud bricks

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<v Speaker 1>is also very important here, and I thought very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I just never had looked into this before, but in

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<v Speaker 1>this particular, their mud bricks you used throughout arid parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the world where people have settled, but these specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>these would have been sediments washed down the tigris and

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<v Speaker 1>euphrates from what is now Turkey. Then people would collect

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<v Speaker 1>the mud and then they would mix in fresh straw.

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<v Speaker 1>This would give the mud bricks, once they had had

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<v Speaker 1>time to dry, additional strength. And this reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>our episode on Pie Create Joe about creating building materials

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<v Speaker 1>out of ice and how something had to be added,

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<v Speaker 1>something had to be mixed in there with it to

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<v Speaker 1>give them additional stability.

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<v Speaker 3>What was it? Was it, like, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 3>like chopped up newspaper or straw or sawdust or something

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<v Speaker 3>to that effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so fresh straw would be serving the purpose here,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does seem like it did need to be fresh,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back to that in a second. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have the mud you've added in the fresh straw.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you mold these into more or less uniform brick shapes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you leave them to air dry. And then

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<v Speaker 1>once dry, you know today you have bricks for building

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of structures. So this began as mud, but

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<v Speaker 1>it ends up being sturdy enough to build with, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there are some pros and cons here. So the

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<v Speaker 1>pros the big pro of course, is that these are

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<v Speaker 1>inexpensive and they don't require high temperature, fuel consuming ovens

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<v Speaker 1>to bake them as you have with with baked bricks.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make a ton of them. You can use

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<v Speaker 1>them to build battlements, buildings, et cetera in pretty short order.

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<v Speaker 3>So again they're they're cheap, they're fast building material to

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<v Speaker 3>make them as abundant and they get the job done right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to imply that, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just a crude mode of construction, Like obviously there's an

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<v Speaker 1>art and a craftsmanship to making them, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's key here too, Like the local people knew how

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<v Speaker 1>to make them. There was a tradition of making them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that also allowed them to bust them out in

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<v Speaker 1>massive quantities in a short amount of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I want to be clear by saying like

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<v Speaker 3>that they're inexpensive, I mean that they're you know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>inexpensive relative to like quarrying or having to fire the

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<v Speaker 3>bricks in an oven. But that doesn't mean that they're

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<v Speaker 3>like junk. I mean this is this is building material

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<v Speaker 3>that serves its purpose and it is efficient, it's smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there are cons here. Of course, these are arid environments,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mean that it doesn't rain. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that there aren't floods, periodic flooding and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they're easily washed away or damage during storms.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus this was impressive. As Higgins points out, the bricks

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<v Speaker 1>at the base of walls of structures draw up and

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<v Speaker 1>absorb water by capillary action. The water evaporates, but quote,

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<v Speaker 1>salts are concentrated and finally crystallized between the mineral grains,

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<v Speaker 1>causing the mud to flake, weakening the base of the walls.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also has this was especially true would have

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<v Speaker 1>been true in Babylon due to the rather brackish ground water.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Okay, so higher salt content in that water, more

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<v Speaker 3>more crystals getting into the bricks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, mud brick buildings, while essential for the time period,

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<v Speaker 1>also required a lot of upkeep, and they would eventually fail.

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<v Speaker 1>Mud brick buildings would eventually crumble and fall apart, and

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<v Speaker 1>any resulting bricks would not be reused, nor would the mud.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you couldn't just like you know, essentially wet it

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<v Speaker 1>all down and form new mud bricks out of that mud,

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<v Speaker 1>out of that soil. And it's thought that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this had to do with the fact that at

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<v Speaker 1>this point it's all it's old straw mixed in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not going to hold things together as well

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<v Speaker 1>as fresh straw. So you would get fresh mud from

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<v Speaker 1>the river, you would add fresh straw to that, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would just build new new bricks the old side

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<v Speaker 1>the crumbled bricks, et cetera. You would just flatten that

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<v Speaker 1>down as much as possible, and that would service the

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<v Speaker 1>foundation for the new structure. And it's interesting that resulting

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<v Speaker 1>mound of old mud bricks is what we call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell this is a rising heap where these would these

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<v Speaker 1>buildings would crumble, they'd have to be flattened. You'd build

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<v Speaker 1>a new one that eventually would crumble and be flattened. Higgins'

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<v Speaker 1>rights that over the millennia, such tells actually lifted the

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<v Speaker 1>base levels of cities up above the plane, making them

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<v Speaker 1>more defendable, making them more desirable as places to live

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<v Speaker 1>and to work and to defend yourself. And therefore the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern would just continue.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And so you can see in the locations or

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<v Speaker 3>ruins of some ancient settlements, especially in the ancient Near East,

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<v Speaker 3>that maybe even no buildings remained, but there's just a

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<v Speaker 3>big mound built up off the ground. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's that's incredible. So anyway, the problems of

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<v Speaker 1>mud bricks were known, even though they were traditional, even

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<v Speaker 1>though they were inexpensive. Higgins points out that not only

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<v Speaker 1>is Babylon home to some of the early is known

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<v Speaker 1>recorded legal systems, but also some of those laws that

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<v Speaker 1>were recorded concerned building collapses. It was written that if

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<v Speaker 1>a building's collapse caused the death of the homeowner, then

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<v Speaker 1>the builder would be put to death.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that is a strict building code.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, it makes sense you're building, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>not to say the eye for an eye nature of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it makes it makes sense so much. But

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<v Speaker 1>just the idea that like, buildings are important and there

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<v Speaker 1>has to be some sort of you know, some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of law in place to make sure things are built

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<v Speaker 1>to code.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe not a death penalty, but builders should be

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<v Speaker 3>kept to a high standard. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so you know, again, it was known that

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<v Speaker 1>there could be problems with mud bricks, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered early on that you could transform mud bricks of

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<v Speaker 1>a sort into something harder and less susceptible to erosion.

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins writes, quote, heat changes water bearing clay minerals with

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<v Speaker 1>their slippery playing card structure, into larger, interlocking crystals of

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<v Speaker 1>minerals containing less water, which makes a stronger material than

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<v Speaker 1>is water resistant. He ultimately compares this transformation to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a sped up and you know, less sophisticated process

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<v Speaker 1>of metamorphism that in like in the ground and over

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<v Speaker 1>geologic time, produces things like marble. And so he writes

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<v Speaker 1>that many of the great Babylonian structures of the day

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<v Speaker 1>would have been made of baked bricks, and these would

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately last so long that they would be reused long

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<v Speaker 1>after the final fall of Babylon to build such cities

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<v Speaker 1>as Baghdad. And we see this in other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world as well, like the bricks stand the test

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<v Speaker 1>of time, and then the bricks are scavenged in order

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<v Speaker 1>to build the new cities of an emerging new world.

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<v Speaker 3>But these would have been fire bricks, bricks, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>These would been the fired Yeah, you're not doing this

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<v Speaker 1>with mud bricks at all, But baked bricks are just

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<v Speaker 1>that much more durable. And you know, and it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I was been talking about this with my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>she pointed out that, you know, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>bricks we see on houses today, like they're they're purely ornamental.

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<v Speaker 1>They're real baked bricks, but they're not like doing much

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<v Speaker 1>or anything in the way of structural support for the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Your house isn't built out of bricks. It's built out

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<v Speaker 1>of wood framing and all the other stuff. But the

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<v Speaker 1>bricks are there just for ornamental purposes, well, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the house. But yeah, in a lot of modern uses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Higgins points out that limestone was also used in

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<v Speaker 1>special instances, but this would have been expensive to import

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<v Speaker 1>in Babylon, unlike with with Nineveh. The walls of Babylon, however,

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<v Speaker 1>were also sometimes listed as an ancient wonder in and

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<v Speaker 1>of themselves. They were made of mud bricks, and the

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<v Speaker 1>gates faced with with with baked bricks that were glazed

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<v Speaker 1>with a glass like blue glaze that was then detailed

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<v Speaker 1>with yellow flora and fauna things like lions and all.

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<v Speaker 1>So so these walls would have begun depended mostly on

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<v Speaker 1>baked bricks for their bulk and their protective qualities, but

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<v Speaker 1>then you also had glazed baked bricks that made them

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful to behold and spoke of the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>glory of the city and its ruler. So Higgins goes

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<v Speaker 1>into a lot more detail in the book about all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, and especially gets into the geology of the region.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think just what we've we've drawn out here already,

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<v Speaker 1>it provides a nice glance at the importance of mud

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<v Speaker 1>bricks in the ancient world, their pros and cons, and

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<v Speaker 1>also how they serve as a necessary predecessor to baked

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<v Speaker 1>brick technology that would basically serve as the next step

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<v Speaker 1>in humanity's ability to take essentially mud and remake it

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<v Speaker 1>as solid earth for our own purposes. And how fitting

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<v Speaker 1>too that this occurred in the shadows of the Ziggurats,

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<v Speaker 1>holy mountains constructed by human ingenuity.

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<v Speaker 3>Now from here I wanted to talk about one specific

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<v Speaker 3>example of amazing mud based construction practices that still exists

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<v Speaker 3>in the world today, and that is the example of

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<v Speaker 3>the mud built skyscrapers of the city of Shibomb. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was reading about this in a number of sources.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the main ones out site is an entry

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<v Speaker 3>in the Encyclopedia of Architectural and Engineering Feats edited by

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Longmead and Christine Garneault, published in two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 3>So the city of Shibam is located in modern day Yemen.

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<v Speaker 3>It is situated on top of a rock spur at

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<v Speaker 3>the southern tip of the rub Al Khali Desert of

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<v Speaker 3>the Arabian Peninsula and the Rublkali. That name means empty quarter.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an area of approximately one thousand by five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred kilometers covered in sand dunes, with relatively little human

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<v Speaker 3>habitation and plant and animal life compared to other areas.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a hyper arid desert of wind swept dunes

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<v Speaker 3>of sand. So this is near the southern end of

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<v Speaker 3>that area, sort of where it's transitioning into other sort

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<v Speaker 3>of ecoregions. Many of the buildings that still stand in

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<v Speaker 3>the city of Shabam today date back to the sixteenth century,

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<v Speaker 3>though the settlement itself is older. Several sources I was

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<v Speaker 3>looking at said it went back to the third century CE.

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<v Speaker 3>The population of the city in the modern era is

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<v Speaker 3>roughly seven thousand, and most of these people live in

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<v Speaker 3>these mud brick high rise houses. There are more than

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred of these structures inside the city walls. I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen vastly conflicting estimates on the height of the tallest ones.

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<v Speaker 3>The Encyclopedia entry I just cited says that some of

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<v Speaker 3>them are up to twelve stories tall. Other sources say

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<v Speaker 3>the tallest are more like seven stories. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what accounts for that difference, but I bet it depends

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<v Speaker 3>on how you're counting the stories. Maybe it's height versus

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<v Speaker 3>the actual number of occupied floors, because I think within

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<v Speaker 3>those buildings the floors are actually quite tall, like the

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<v Speaker 3>ceilings are high, and there will be multiple levels of

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<v Speaker 3>windows within a single floor of the building.

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<v Speaker 1>That would make sense too, based on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>like the design parameters that are that are common with

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>with with with this sort of climate and the sort

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of construction material like we referenced earlier.

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 3>Right, because you want a lot of windows situated high

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 3>up so that as hot air rises, it can flow

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 3>out through those windows. So you get high ceilings, windows

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.959
<v Speaker 3>up near the ceiling above where the people are walking around.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I think people should if it's safe to do so,

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, not if you're driving the car, obviously, but

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>you should look up images of this because when we

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 1>say mud Rick high rises, or you hear a description

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>like the Manhattan of the desert, which I've seen, you

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>might you might not fully believe it, but because it

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>is very almost unreal to behold. But yes, it does

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>look essentially like parts of Manhattan in terms of the

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>scope of the buildings and the height of the buildings,

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and the modernity of the buildings, you know, and their

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of basic shape and design. This does not look

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like a like like some sort of you know, archaic city.

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>It looks at once modern and yet you can tell

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>there's something about the building materials that is different. So

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>it is this is a remarkable city that is rising

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>up out of the desert here.

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Some sources have identified these as the world's oldest skyscrapers.

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you make the cut for skyscraper,

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 3>but they are very old buildings and very tall for

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 3>their construction materials, so they are made of mud bricks.

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, you mentioned the sort of nickname used in

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 3>some Western media, the Manhattan of the desert. As far

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 3>as I know, the city of Shibam was first called

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 3>that in the nineteen thirties. I think that it goes

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 3>back to the British explorer Freia Stark who called it that.

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 3>And speaking of how the city was described in Western

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.919
<v Speaker 3>media in the nineteen thirties, I found an article in

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 3>an old issue of Popular Mechanics from nineteen thirty six

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:21.479
<v Speaker 3>called mud Skyscrapers of Desert built long before the log cabin.

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 3>So it was just a little paragraph, but I wanted

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:26.439
<v Speaker 3>to read this because I thought it was funny. So

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 3>it First the caption on the photo says centuries old

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 3>city of Shabomb in southern Arabia is a cluster of

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 3>sun hardened mud skyscrapers that have withstood tests of time

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 3>and weather, and then the body text says mud skyscrapers

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 3>that were hundreds of years old when log cabins began

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 3>to dot the American wilderness still stand in the ancient

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 3>city of Shabomb in southern Arabia, the modern steel skyscraper

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 3>is only fifty years old. Shabomb was a thriving city

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 3>of tall buildings in the time of the Queen of Sheba,

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 3>and it still is a busy desert metropolis today, so

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 3>constructed as to withstand the raids of hostile Arab tribesmen,

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 3>with the windows high above the ground. The Shabamb skyscrapers

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 3>were of mud mixed with straw and maize, dried and

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 3>hardened by the desert sun. And then directly under that

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 3>there's another headline that says insects killed by vaporizer heated electrically.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 3>But so, as Rob said, if you're able to look

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>up images of the city of Shabam, you should because

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 3>it's amazing looking. But if you can't, one thing you

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 3>should understand is that the city itself has a notably

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>small and tidy horizontal footprint. It is about half a

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 3>square kilometer stretching up instead of out, and when it

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 3>was recognized by UNESCO's World Heritage List in the nineteen eighties.

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it was nineteen eighty two. It was described

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 3>as quote one of the oldest and best examples of

0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 3>urban planning based on the principle of vertical constructions. Now, Rob,

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm about to divulge something of great relevance to you personally.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I know you love a skybridge. Well, a lot of

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 3>the mud built high rises in Shibam are linked by

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 3>upper floor floating corridors skybridges made out of mud. So

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I attached some photos here for you to look at.

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 3>It looks, at least at least some of the photos

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 3>I could find, it looks like the skybridges are not

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 3>covered on top. I don't know if they're all like

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 3>that or if it's just some of them, but in

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 3>some of these photos it's like a walkway connecting the

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 3>upper floors of these buildings that has a bottom, of course,

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 3>and then it has walls rising up on the sides,

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 3>but not a roof.

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow, this is amazing. Yes, I had no idea, but

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>here they are. Yeah, the mud brick skybridges, I'll take it.

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 3>So from what I've read, the design of the city

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 3>with its mud walls all around it. Also, as I said,

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 3>it has walls surrounding the city that are also made

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 3>of mud brick. The design of the city, with the walls,

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 3>the high rises and the sky bridges, is in large

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 3>part defensive in nature. The city was built to defend

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 3>itself against marauders. Now why, like, what would make this

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 3>city in particular a target for such attacks. According to

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>some sources, it may have a lot to do with

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 3>frankincense and the Frankensense trade. Frankinson's traders used to have

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 3>routes that crossed the Rubl Khali desert, and Shibam was

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.719
<v Speaker 3>a hub along one of those caravan routes. So there

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 3>was a lot of frankensense trade and as a result,

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 3>a decent amount of wealth associated with that. Now, Rob,

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 3>as you mentioned, mud based buildings are great and that

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 3>they have many wonderful properties, but they do need frequent upkeep.

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 3>The walls have to be replastered on an ongoing basis

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 3>to counteract erosion damage from wind and rain, and they

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 3>also have to be built with the limitations of their

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 3>construction materials in mind. So the mudd high rises here,

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 3>they tend to have thicker walls near the bottom that

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 3>become thinner as the stories go up. So the buildings

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of taper inward as they go up higher, and

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 3>this is to reduce the weight load from higher floors

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 3>pressing down on the bricks below, because again the walls

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 3>are partially load bearing, though there are also some internal

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 3>posts like timber posts that help bear the weight of

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 3>the building as well. I was kind of surprised to

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 3>learn that many of the houses here are actually occupied

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 3>only by a single family. So often the family will

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.719
<v Speaker 3>live on the upper floors of the building, and then

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 3>the lower floors are places that are traditionally used for

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 3>storage of food, like grain storage and for livestock.

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>That's fascinating, and I guess it would make sense too

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that you'd want to live on those upper floors because

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you would get more ventilation and so forth.

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Now, Shabam lies in a valley at the confluence of

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 3>several waddies. A wady is a ravine or river channel

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 3>in the desert that is dry most of the time,

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 3>but then floods with water during the rainy season. And

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 3>as often happens in desert environments, it can be very

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 3>dry and then suddenly extremely wet when the rain comes.

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, so the flood comes in, and that can

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 3>be very dangerous to human settlements, especially settlements made out

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 3>of mud brick. Because of the placement at the convergence

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 3>of these watties, Schabam is vulnerable to flooding and has

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 3>suffered catastrophic flooding damage at various points in history, such

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 3>as in fifteen thirty two. That's when a lot of

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 3>the city had to be rebuilt. And why that's you know,

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 3>as far back as most of the skyscrapers there today date. Now,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 3>why would you build high rises out of mud here

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 3>instead of just more you know, regular low lane dwellings.

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 3>The entry in the Encyclopedia of Architectural and Engineering Feats

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 3>identifies several reasons for the vertical expansion. One is because

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 3>of the area's proneness to flooding. The city is situated up,

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.359
<v Speaker 3>as I said, on kind of a rockspur so it's

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 3>raised up above the floor of the valley, but not

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 3>raised up enough to totally avoid flood damage, and floods

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 3>can threaten it. So one is protection from flooding. Another

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 3>is preservation of horizontal acreage around the city for agriculture,

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 3>because there are date palm groves all around, and so

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 3>expanding the footprint of the city would essentially cut into

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 3>the farmland around it.

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>This detail makes for some really beautiful photos though, because

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>you see those brilliant green date palms all around the

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>outside walls of the city.

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Yes, another reason is the desire to gather families in

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 3>a single building. I guess this means like even large families.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 3>And then finally to squeeze more of the city inside

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 3>the protective perimeter wall, which again was to defend against

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 3>raiders who might want to attack the city for its

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 3>wealth associated with the Frankinson's trade. Now we've already covered

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 3>how mud bricks are made, but how are these skyscrapers

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 3>in particular put together. Well, they are made out of

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 3>mud bricks as far as I can tell based on

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 3>the normal method. So these would be mud reinforced with

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 3>straw baked in the sun, which is stuccoed over on

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 3>the outside of the buildings with a plaster made out

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 3>of clay and chopped straw. And then this is all

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.359
<v Speaker 3>placed upon a stone foundation. As I said, the mud

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 3>brick walls tend to taper inward and become thinner as

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 3>they go up, because again the walls are partially load bearing.

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 3>The buildings reach heights of forty meters or one hundred

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 3>and thirty feet, and the walls of the ground floor

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 3>are generally between one point three and two meters thick,

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 3>so that's like four to six feet thick. There's a

0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 3>lot of it just seems to me a lot of

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 3>energy efficiency in mind in the construction of the city

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 3>because they have all these properties. But also like they

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 3>have the skybridge bridges I mentioned, and that is to

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 3>allow neighbors to visit one another without having to go

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 3>up and down the stairs, you know, go up and down,

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 3>wasting energy going that way. But then also the upper

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 3>floors have this external white stucco to help reflect solar

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.720
<v Speaker 3>radiation and help keep them cool.

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I love I love this detail about the skybridge because this,

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.399
<v Speaker 1>like this lines up with the basic rationale for skybridges

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>in the age of skyscrapers, and this sort of you know,

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 1>forward thinking futuristic idea that like, well, life is going

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 1>to be up there now and we need to move

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>around up there building to building, and this is an

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>example of it not really being a thoroughly futuristic idea

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>at all, Like it's it's ultimately a much older, even

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 1>ancient idea at least in places where you had tall

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>buildings like this.

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 3>Or maybe you could say been part of a smart,

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 3>progressive technological framework for ages.

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think so, because I imagine imagine like coming

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.439
<v Speaker 1>to this city centuries ago, you know, and just how

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>modern and advanced it would be. Like this was like

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 1>the blade Runner city of the day.

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Now. A lot of the city's architecture centers around helping

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:23.720
<v Speaker 3>to deal with extreme heat. So one advantage of having

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 3>tall buildings close together is that it really helps to

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 3>provide shade within the city. Buildings also have a lot

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 3>of windows to aid in ventilation, especially near the top,

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 3>letting hot air out. But they also, like the doors

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 3>in these buildings, many of them are carved wooden doors

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 3>that will have like these beautiful geometric patterns carved into them,

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 3>but they will have openings in the wood of the

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>doors again to allow ventilation, you know, natural airflow through.

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>And also in the city, I was watching one video

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 3>documentary about it that showed the city still having some

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 3>very old old school wooden locks, so like locks on

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 3>doors that you would open by having a wooden paddle

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 3>that has a particular arrangement of pegs poking up off

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:12.439
<v Speaker 3>of it. So you can reach the wooden paddle into

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 3>the lock hole and you press it up and if

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 3>it has the right arrangement of pegs, it lifts the

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 3>what do they call it, the lifts the little tumblers,

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 3>I guess, and then the lock opens. Some buildings in

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 3>the city also have wooden mashrabias, which are if you

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 3>don't know what that is, sort of like a wooden

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 3>enclosed but ventilated deck area, sort of, I don't know

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 3>the correct way to describe it. Look it up, Look

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 3>up pictures of them. They are these beautiful external features

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 3>that you see on a lot of buildings throughout the

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Islamic world.

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, coming back to what you said earlier about

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the setbacks and the design the idea that you know,

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>they taper inward and there's kind of a terracing as

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 1>they go up. And of course this applies to more

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 1>than just mud brick buildings, but you know, thicker at

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the bottom, less mass towards the top. You know. This

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>this makes me think of setbacks in like a modern

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>city environment like New York City, where even when you

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>get to the point where you don't need the setbacks

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>from a structural standpoint, setbacks end up being desired, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well for I guess a couple of reasons. One just esthetically,

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<v Speaker 1>but also you put these setback laws in place because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to create the just like depths of

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<v Speaker 1>shadow where the sun never shines. You know, you want

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<v Speaker 1>there to be sort of more open sky in these

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<v Speaker 1>these ravines between the skyscrapers. And yet also you know

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<v Speaker 1>you touched on with with this city that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to a certain extent, those wells of shadow are also

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<v Speaker 1>desired because you want to create to create some additional

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<v Speaker 1>escape from the overbearing power of the sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right. So I guess again there are trade

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<v Speaker 3>off there. As you know, building, building materials and architecture

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<v Speaker 3>really is a story of trade offs, isn't it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's a banal observation, I just

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<v Speaker 3>it just occurred to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the banal becomes the spectacular when you

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<v Speaker 1>start looking at examples like this that turn our understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of skyscrapers and modern urban environments on their head by

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<v Speaker 1>placing them in in a much older setting, in a

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<v Speaker 1>different environment than we're used to contending with. So it's, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>such a fascinating model to look at. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>One last thing is I was reading about some threats

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<v Speaker 3>to this beautiful architectural heritage recently due to weather and

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<v Speaker 3>especially due to conflict in Yemen, leading to difficulty in

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<v Speaker 3>performing the upkeep necessary to keep these buildings standing. And

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<v Speaker 3>all that, there was apparently a tropical cyclone in two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight that caused a lot of flooding and

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<v Speaker 3>damage to buildings in Shabam. And also I think there

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<v Speaker 3>are some other settlements in the same region that have

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<v Speaker 3>some similar construction and architecture in them that are also

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<v Speaker 3>under threat due to flooding and weather and just lack

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<v Speaker 3>of ability to perform the necessary upkeep. So I know

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<v Speaker 3>there are some restoration and maintenance projects that are underway.

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<v Speaker 3>I think UNESCO might be involved in something going on there.

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<v Speaker 3>But it would be a shame to see this beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>and ingenious architectural tradition, which is in a way it's

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<v Speaker 3>a tradition that's ongoing because of the upkeep you always

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<v Speaker 3>have to do to keep these buildings alive to see

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<v Speaker 3>that go away.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, now we also want to stress though that

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<v Speaker 1>of course this is just one of the phenomenal examples

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<v Speaker 1>of mud brick based architecture you can find throughout the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said earlier, structures made out of mud brick

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<v Speaker 1>are still common throughout North Africa. On North Africa, but

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<v Speaker 1>this one really kind of stood out to us as

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<v Speaker 1>something worth highlighting and just showing what is and was

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<v Speaker 1>possible with mud brick. So, anyway you have a particular favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you've visited a city or an archaeological site

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<v Speaker 1>that features impressive mud brick construction, right in, let us know.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd love to hear from you and we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it in a future listener mail episode. Now, as

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<v Speaker 1>for Mud as a whole, our multi part look at Mud,

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<v Speaker 1>episode here. We're going to come back a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>volcanoes and who knows what else. There may be another

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<v Speaker 1>mud angle that we don't even know about yet because

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