WEBVTT - Safety of Flight 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.880 High Strange is released weekly every Thursday, brought to you 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.080 absolutely free, but if you want to bene the whole season, 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.960 it's available right now on Apple Podcasts for all Tenderfoot 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.160 plus subscribers. You'll also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.040 For more information, check out the show notes enjoy the episode. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.840 They come from outer space, lower Earth orbit, go to 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.080 twenty eight thousand feet right off the coast of Catalina. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.760 Whatever that object was, drop right down to the surface 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.720 of the water. These things were breaking the soundberg, but. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.400 There was no big boom. Freaked us all out. We 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.960 didn't even know how to respond to it. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.120 Came from outer space all the way down to twenty 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:46.479 eight thousand feet and stopped. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.199 It was so outside of our experience we didn't know 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:51.800 what to do. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.320 They look like about a fifty foot long giant ticktack, 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.240 pure white, no doors, no windows, no nothing, sh of 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.520 his aircraft proximately whatever that object was, with two fast 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.840 eagles aside cap station the exact latitude, longitude and altitude, 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.440 and stopped. How in the hell didn't know where that 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.000 cap point was. It was a secret location only in 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.319 secret message traffic. They knew where in tent. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:27.840 Welcome to high strange. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.919 I sat down with senior radar operator for the US Navy, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.279 Kevin Day, in two thousand and four. He was aboard 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.200 the USS Princeton, a naval guided missile cruiser, when strange 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.000 objects began to appear on a screen. Over the course 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.000 of several days, he continued to see large tic tac 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.920 shaped objects running circles around the Navy jets, raising the 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.880 legitimate concern of a possible mid air collision. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.520 There were zigzagging all over the sky like a flywood 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.320 do an impossible things darting all over the place, creating 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.600 G forces thirty five gus forty g's that would make 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.800 us into pancakes. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.480 The pilot can survive maybe eight or nine G forces. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.799 I don't think there's anything biological in these things. You 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:22.080 all saw, yep, we all saw it. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.079 And it shook me to my core, truly did. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.760 They watched on radar these unknown objects dive from over 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.200 eighty thousand feet in the air to the very near 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.200 surface of the ocean in a matter of seconds. They 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.760 were long, fifty foot cylindrical objects, white in color, no 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.960 windows and no doors, and by appearance they were rotorless 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:43.680 with no signs of propulsion. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:49.240 We were concerned about safety of flight. I was at meetings. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.799 Hey guys, I got something for you. What's up, keV. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.760 We have a safety a flight issue off the southern 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.880 California coast. And when I went to describe what happened 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.080 to us and knowfore, I got laughed at man, what 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:01.520 do you mean? 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.080 They laughed UFOs ha ha. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.160 And the people who weren't laughing, they were giving me 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.200 this kind of look looking down their nose, like wish 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.359 he been smoking. It was real. I mean, pilot saw 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.160 it with our eyeballs. It's on every ship's radar, and 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.080 those radars are really good at what they do. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:18.680 He trust me. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.000 I was concerned about safety of flight. Man for aar 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.320 Landers too. I got so frustrated no one would listen. 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:25.720 I quit. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.600 Commander David Fraber flew his F eighteen super Hornet towards 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.080 the object and it crossed directly in front of the 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.600 nose of his jet, then took off out of site. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.480 When the object appeared again, it was at the exact 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.600 location The jets were supposed to rendezvous at a secret, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:46.040 undisclosed set of coordinates. Five years after the TIC TAC incident. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.080 Kevin Day resigned from the Navy in twenty seventeen. While 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.760 volunteering at a country club near his house. He was 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.160 carrying a plate of fish and chips when he noticed 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:56.400 the breaking news on the TV. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:02.000 Unexplained aerial phenomena. This Navy video showing the pilot's reaction 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.680 to the strange aerial encounter. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.040 The Pentagon released three videos of unknown flying objects to 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:08.600 the public. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.520 I stood there, frozen. I dropped the plate of food 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:12.160 I was carrying. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.760 After over twenty years in the Navy, being mocked and 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.799 laughed at by the Department of Defense, he was finally vindicated. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.440 He belined to his house in a daze. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.800 I raised home, probably broke and reached traffic law on 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.880 this little talent to get home, Jump on the computer, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.919 call my friends and deal with it, you know, because 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.919 what else are you gonna do? 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.520 If it was you, what would you do? I have 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.840 no idea, right exactly. We're just human. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.839 Right. When he got home, he started calling other sailors 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.400 aboard the USS Princeton, people who also witnessed the event. 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.720 Now that the news had broken, he wanted to make 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.000 sure they could all stick together, and he urged them 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.159 to come forward and talk about the incident openly. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.159 We can't let command a favor twist in the wind 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.560 by himself here, because we were there and we know 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:59.159 what happened. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.600 We have to balance what he's saying. So that's how 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:03.440 that all started. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.280 Both the New York Times and Politico broke the news 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.440 that the Pentagon had been investigating UAPs for a decade. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.800 This UAP task force was officially known as the Advanced 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:20.120 Aerospace Threat Identification Program. The leader of the operation, lou Elizondo, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.799 had just resigned, claiming he left the program for similar 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.960 reasons as Kevin Day. His higher ups were simply not 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.039 taking this seriously. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.920 I think what happens from this point forward, the science 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.920 teams get on the ball around the planet and we 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.440 start collecting science data on these things. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.760 UAP is noble. We can know what these are. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.919 We're worried about paying the rent and making sure the 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.880 electric bills paid and the kids are on school and 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:47.520 time and they're. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.640 Healthy, well addressed. Who the hell's got time to think 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.000 about you? You know, we have to live in the 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.680 data to life. What if the entire. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.120 Planet has to change all of a sudden and we're 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.320 not prepared. That's what the scientists are saying. Now, hey, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.440 get ready for the societal impacts. Looking back on this, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.000 I wouldn't trade a moment what I went through, because, 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.040 you know what, the things that happen to me are 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.880 going to be a powerful damn message. You want to 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.880 go to Congress. That's how I'm going to transmitt this. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.800 I'm going to turn it into a message that they 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:26.039 are going to have to listen to. I feel so 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.240 damn lucky. I can't even express how lucky I feel, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.520 how blessed I am. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.839 What in honor? What in honor? 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.880 It was all worth it, all of it to get 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.520 the message out. Whether we like it or not, whether 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.039 we admit to it or not, these things are coming. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.599 Accept it. I don't want anything. I don't want money, 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.880 I don't want fame. I want the. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.920 World to get ready for what's about to happen. That's 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.640 what Kevin Day wants. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.000 It was so cool to see a Space Shuttle launch 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:09.640 or a landing and realize my dad was instrumental in 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:10.640 doing that. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.720 This is John Greenwald, the founder and creator of the 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.239 Blackfault dot com, And after. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.480 He retired, I found out he worked on the Mars lander. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.680 I found out he worked on the Space Defense program. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.640 So there's a lot about him that I didn't know 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.000 until after he retired. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:31.480 And my dad he has really kind of I think, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:36.120 instilled in me the fascination with space and stretching the 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.000 limits of what science can do. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.880 I started way back when I was fifteen years old. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.880 A incident in nineteen seventy six one of the very 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.880 few UFO documents that you could go and read and download, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.480 and it read very much like a X Files episode, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:08:01.000 a science fiction movie. It just didn't make sense. Seen 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.400 over the city of Tehran, Iran, a second UFO was 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.680 seen coming out of that one, a third coming out 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.679 of the bottom, one of which the F four Phantom 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.920 pilot saw hover above the ground and cast this large 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.040 light just like the. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.360 Tictec in two thousand and four. The Tehran UFO incident 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.960 involved not only eyewitnesses the radar pings of something strange 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.720 in the sky. The pilots began to engage the UFO 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.600 over Iran's capital city, and as they got closer, both 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.680 F four Phantom jets lost controls of their onboard weapons systems. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.400 As they turned off from the pursuit and headed back 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:38.199 towards their base. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.120 Magically, all their. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.160 Communication and weapons functions began working again, and this happened 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:45.280 to both of the jets. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.280 During this whole event, two separate F four Phantom jets 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:56.240 seemingly were strategically shut down, losing controls communications as they 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:57.880 were engaging this UFO. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.760 Whatever that was. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:05.640 One could potentially be a coincidence. Two, however, seem strategic 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:10.400 and it seemed like technology. There's really not a feasible 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.880 explanation for it, even to this day. So the question 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.840 mark is, well, what was it and why we're talking 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.600 about nineteen seventy six here with all this time that passed. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.960 I mean, maybe we'd see something similar, maybe we'd have 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.320 a viable explanation. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.800 At this point we have nothing. We have neither. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.000 This was almost thirty years before the tic TACs were seen. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.080 How could an adversary like Russia or China have such 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.760 a tight lid on some advanced technology like this for 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:44.680 so damn long. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.280 That was the first document that I got when I 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.560 was fifteen, and I thought, man, the Internet has to 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.520 have more. And that's what kind of drove me and 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.480 motivated me to go back and look. And there really 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.080 wasn't anything. You just saw more of the he said, 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.120 she said story. There were chat forums, message boards at 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.280 the time, nobody really had the full story, and if 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.480 they were telling the same story, they were telling it 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:09.199 in different ways. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:10.280 And it was so frustrating. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.400 So that's why I started utilizing the FOYA and then 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.600 just going after these documents because I figured, Hey, if 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.720 this four page document exists, there have to be more. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.400 And sure enough, there was a lot more. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.960 The Freedom of Information Act is essentially a law here 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.400 in America that allows anyone in the world. You actually 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.720 don't even have to be an American citizen to access information. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.240 You request information, they have to send it to you, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:43.480 but the fine print allows nine different reasons for them 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.840 to say no. Those nine different what they call exemptions, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:53.400 are those reactions that you see, freedom of information. We 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.320 can go after information. Government militaries got to send it 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.600 to us. Problem is they put in nine reasons for 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:00.000 them not. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:00.640 To send it. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.680 To see things that the American public and the world 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.680 have never seen before, to get documents, to get videos 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.960 like old film reels, it's such an amazing feeling because 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.160 you're seeing history that only a select few people that 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.319 had clearances or that were involved in the project have. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.880 Seen before I was fifteen. I was stupid. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.360 I didn't realize exactly what I was getting myself into, 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.240 but quickly learned that the government was going to push back. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.319 And what I first wanted to achieve was essentially get 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.240 these documents out and put them out in their raw form. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:41.080 I didn't anticipate the struggle that there was going to 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.880 be to get it. Being that fifteen year old curious kid, 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.120 I didn't know a whole lot about it. I just 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.680 knew there was something there. What was this Freedom of 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.600 Information Act? But hey, they're going to send me something 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:52.000 for free. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:52.360 Cool? 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.200 And that's what I kind of went for the Freedom 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.520 of Information Act, building a website and just kind of 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.280 going from there, and I take it to kind of 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.199 the next level for me, where I put it online 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.960 for everybody. Here we are twenty six years and three 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:12.440 point two million pages later. I haven't gone anywhere people 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.080 can download with the click of a button in seconds 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.080 what sometimes took me over a decade to get. Literally, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.040 for me, that drives some of the motivation to do 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:22.520 what I do. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.800 John has been collecting documents released via foiler request since 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.520 he was fifteen years old. I wasn't even remotely productive 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:32.680 with anything at that age. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.080 I went from that curious fifteen year old kid who 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.320 was just trying to find some documents to really piecing 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.560 together pieces of the puzzle that in some cases had 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:50.080 never been released to the general public at all, finding 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:54.800 that irrefutable proof that they were still interested in UFOs 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:59.280 and even in the CIA files had material of some 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:04.800 kind post what they admitted to investigating back in the forties, fifties, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:09.080 and sixties. I deep down kind of always knew there 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.839 was a mystery to this. I mean, you just look 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.040 at the books on bookshelves and a bookstore, and I knew 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.880 that there was a lot to the topic. It wasn't 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.840 just kind of like a silly Internet rumor. So, being 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.000 again that young naive kid, I didn't know what I 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.920 was getting myself into, but I at least was kind 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.440 of solidified with my beliefs that there was something unknown 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.440 about this, something. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.319 That was worthwhile exploring. 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.800 From all over the world, they were collecting sightings and 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.920 that nineteen seventy six Iran incident, I'll stress the date 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:41.480 nineteen seventy six, seven years after the United States Air 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.679 Force and in turned the United States government said, hey, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.120 there's nothing to this, there's nothing that's a threat to 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:47.040 national security. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.240 We're not interested. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.640 If you want to report something, go to your local 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.040 law enforcement or a UFO group, but we don't care. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.439 Behind the scenes, though, they were collecting all these reports, 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.720 and clearly, if you have a craft of some kind 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.280 in nineteen seventy six that can strategically shut down two 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.120 separate F four phantom jets, that's a concern. There was 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.760 a United States Air Force pilot that chimed in on 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.960 one of the documents that I found through the NSA 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:19.400 on this very incident. He stated in this once classified document. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.720 It was a low level classification for this one. There's 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.960 certain things in a pilot's career that just defy logic 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.360 and explanation. This case is one of them, he says. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.440 But this will probably be filed in a drawer somewhere 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:39.160 and forgotten. All the way up to twenty seventeen, the 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:44.520 government maintained that they had zero interest in UFOs. Oh, 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.920 that's probably left over from Project Bluebook. They forgot about it. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.320 Military is notorious for forgetting things. What I did was 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.640 proved quite the opposite, that it was actually modified through 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.560 the two thousands. UFOs was never taken out. Now, some 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.720 of your odd it's might say, well, that doesn't sound surprising. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:06.400 They're looking into UFOs prior to twenty seventeen, when the 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.120 UFO program that was reported in the New York Times 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.680 kind of blew open this whole avalanche of interest and 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.760 so on. Prior to that, it was a lot different. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.400 That's part of my story, that's part of my growth 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:25.640 and seeing both eras being deeply entrenched and saying, look, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.640 there is irrefutable proof the government is lying. They're interested 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:33.200 in UFOs. These phenomena are real. Those multiple facets of it, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.800 It extended way beyond nineteen sixty nine. They're lying to 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.440 you about the interest. They have material. You can see 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.120 photos of it in the old Army files. I mean 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.200 there's stories on top of stories on top of stories, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.920 and then you get to twenty seventeen, then they start 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.880 talking about it, and then all of a sudden you 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.480 have this completely different conversation. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.440 My experience on my other show, Radio Rental has shown 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.240 me that there is more unexplained in this world that 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.080 I ever could have imagined. Through decades of in depth research, 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.200 John Is unearthed mountains of bizarre stories, all by requesting 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.680 documents from the government. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:16.480 Now they're acknowledging UAP are real, they're looking into it, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.960 they're investigating it, and they're talking about it. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.360 They're not poking fun at it. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.440 There's research organizations or groups within the United States military 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.680 complex that are looking at this thing. That's all positive, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.280 full stop period. The bad part is the secrecy. I 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:37.560 thought twenty six, twenty fifteen years ago secrecy was bad enough, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.840 it's worse now. It's not a popular take right now 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.440 because those that want to believe that we are on 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.480 the road to some disclosure feel that just because the 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.360 government is talking about UAP, that this is it. The 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.240 reality is that even though they are talking about it, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:17:00.880 they have deeper secrecy now procedures specifically targeting the UAP 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.920 topic to classify it, and they don't want to tell 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.280 us about it. A lot of people that again really 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.439 have that belief that we are onto something here on 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.440 the road to this disclosure, feel that politicians are going 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:16.320 to be the answer. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:17.280 Now. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.000 Look, I've met quite a few politicians over the years. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.200 Some of them are great people, some of them their 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.080 heart is in the right place. But if anybody thinks 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.000 politicians are going to be the turning point for transparency 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:33.000 on UAP have a real big letdown coming. My proof 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.879 of that is you look in the last couple of 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.280 years and these classified briefings that we now know quite 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.639 a few politicians have had. They are going behind closed 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.919 doors and hearing what you and I can't. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:45.359 They don't come. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.600 Out and reveal anything, right, I mean, we can all 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.280 agree to that. They've got their security oaths and nobody 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.800 has turned around and shouted to the heavens that all 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.680 of this stuff has to be declassified. Their own procedures 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.520 are stopping them from doing that. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.119 Politicians cannot circumvent it. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.040 So even if those are coming out of the classified 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.280 briefings screaming to the high heavens, you need to declassify 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.439 all of this in the eyes of the military, it 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:21.600 doesn't matter. Can they have pressure, absolutely, Will they be successful? 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:22.679 Probably not? 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.800 And newsflash to some politicians are kind of selfish like 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.880 that they want the information for themselves and they want 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.800 to keep part of that information from you and I. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.359 Why control. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.400 Those are all elements to this conversation that a lot 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.040 of people I don't think banter about as much as 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.320 they should. I don't think politicians are the answer. I 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.960 don't pretend to know what the answer is. I just 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.160 don't have as high of hopes as some people do. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.520 Even though you have politicians on these committees, getting the 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:59.480 classified briefings and maybe getting motivated enough to create that legislation, 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.120 they are not there in perpetuity. They are not there 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:09.200 forever they change, they'll retire, they get voted out. That's 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.159 why I don't think politicians are going to be that 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:12.399 ultimate answer. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:14.760 There's a lot of things that play here. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:19.680 I think society creates the dream scenario, but it's not 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:25.199 necessarily reality. I don't believe disclosure in the sense that 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.720 we all talk about it is going to happen. I 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:33.480 don't see the government coming to some kind of podium. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.159 President comes out in front of the White House and says, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.400 the extraterrestrial presence is here. 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:39.720 They're real, we know about this. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.320 That's how most people define disclosure, and I don't think 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.600 that's going to happen. I think disclosure is going to 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.080 be with us, that we're going to be able to 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.280 figure out those answers for ourselves. For some, that threshold 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.399 is a lot higher or lower, depending upon who you 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.720 talk to for them to really come to the conclusion, Hey, 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.560 there is an extraterrestrial presence here. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:04.879 For me, that's what it's all about. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.160 Bring it all together for yourself, analyze it for yourself, 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.920 and come to a conclusion. I don't need the government 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.280 to tell me what I believe. I don't need a 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.159 researcher to write me a book and tell me what 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.000 to believe. I don't need anybody who runs a site 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.159 called the Black Vault to tell me what to believe, 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.080 because I don't want to be that person to tell 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.439 people what to believe. I think we should all just 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.840 look at all those pieces of the puzzle and try 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.399 and figure it out. And for me, that's what disclosure 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:32.639 ultimately is. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.159 What is it? Is it extraterrestrials, Is it aliens? What 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:37.040 everybody wants to know? 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.280 I don't know, because my threshold is really high to 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:45.000 say that everybody thinks the government is this all knowing entity, 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.040 that they have the answers and they're just the big, 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.040 bad evil guys that are keeping it from us. There 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.199 is a partial belief that I have that they just 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.880 have zero answers, that they truly are clueless, that they 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.760 have no idea just like kind of some of us, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.480 we're just trying to figure all this out. I think 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.639 that's a possibility too, that the government doesn't have all 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.320 the answers. I mean, you can't in one breath say 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.439 they're completely inept and can't do X, Y and Z, 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.080 and then in the next breath say they are holding 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.040 the biggest secret of humanity and they've been able to 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.600 cover it up in any ample undeniable scientific proof that 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.560 extraterrestrials are here and it's all because the United States 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.879 government has done that. Does the government know more than 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.320 what they're telling? Absolutely, that's undeniable. We can see that 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.720 with the secrecy and the reactions and the denied documents 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:39.440