1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: High Strange is released weekly every Thursday, brought to you 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: absolutely free, but if you want to bene the whole season, 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: it's available right now on Apple Podcasts for all Tenderfoot 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: plus subscribers. You'll also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: For more information, check out the show notes enjoy the episode. 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: They come from outer space, lower Earth orbit, go to 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand feet right off the coast of Catalina. 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: Whatever that object was, drop right down to the surface 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: of the water. These things were breaking the soundberg, but. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: There was no big boom. Freaked us all out. We 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 3: didn't even know how to respond to it. 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Came from outer space all the way down to twenty 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: eight thousand feet and stopped. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 3: It was so outside of our experience we didn't know 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: what to do. 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: They look like about a fifty foot long giant ticktack, 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: pure white, no doors, no windows, no nothing, sh of 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: his aircraft proximately whatever that object was, with two fast 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: eagles aside cap station the exact latitude, longitude and altitude, 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: and stopped. How in the hell didn't know where that 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: cap point was. It was a secret location only in 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: secret message traffic. They knew where in tent. 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 4: Welcome to high strange. 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 1: I sat down with senior radar operator for the US Navy, 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: Kevin Day, in two thousand and four. He was aboard 26 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: the USS Princeton, a naval guided missile cruiser, when strange 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: objects began to appear on a screen. Over the course 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: of several days, he continued to see large tic tac 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: shaped objects running circles around the Navy jets, raising the 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: legitimate concern of a possible mid air collision. 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: There were zigzagging all over the sky like a flywood 32 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: do an impossible things darting all over the place, creating 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: G forces thirty five gus forty g's that would make 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: us into pancakes. 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: The pilot can survive maybe eight or nine G forces. 36 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything biological in these things. You 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: all saw, yep, we all saw it. 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: And it shook me to my core, truly did. 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: They watched on radar these unknown objects dive from over 40 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: eighty thousand feet in the air to the very near 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: surface of the ocean in a matter of seconds. They 42 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: were long, fifty foot cylindrical objects, white in color, no 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: windows and no doors, and by appearance they were rotorless 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: with no signs of propulsion. 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: We were concerned about safety of flight. I was at meetings. 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: Hey guys, I got something for you. What's up, keV. 47 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: We have a safety a flight issue off the southern 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: California coast. And when I went to describe what happened 49 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: to us and knowfore, I got laughed at man, what 50 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: do you mean? 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: They laughed UFOs ha ha. 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: And the people who weren't laughing, they were giving me 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: this kind of look looking down their nose, like wish 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: he been smoking. It was real. I mean, pilot saw 55 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: it with our eyeballs. It's on every ship's radar, and 56 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: those radars are really good at what they do. 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: He trust me. 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: I was concerned about safety of flight. Man for aar 59 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: Landers too. I got so frustrated no one would listen. 60 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: I quit. 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Commander David Fraber flew his F eighteen super Hornet towards 62 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: the object and it crossed directly in front of the 63 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: nose of his jet, then took off out of site. 64 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: When the object appeared again, it was at the exact 65 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: location The jets were supposed to rendezvous at a secret, 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: undisclosed set of coordinates. Five years after the TIC TAC incident. 67 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Kevin Day resigned from the Navy in twenty seventeen. While 68 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: volunteering at a country club near his house. He was 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: carrying a plate of fish and chips when he noticed 70 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: the breaking news on the TV. 71 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: Unexplained aerial phenomena. This Navy video showing the pilot's reaction 72 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 5: to the strange aerial encounter. 73 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: The Pentagon released three videos of unknown flying objects to 74 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: the public. 75 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: I stood there, frozen. I dropped the plate of food 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: I was carrying. 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: After over twenty years in the Navy, being mocked and 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: laughed at by the Department of Defense, he was finally vindicated. 79 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: He belined to his house in a daze. 80 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: I raised home, probably broke and reached traffic law on 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: this little talent to get home, Jump on the computer, 82 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: call my friends and deal with it, you know, because 83 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 2: what else are you gonna do? 84 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: If it was you, what would you do? I have 85 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: no idea, right exactly. We're just human. 86 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Right. When he got home, he started calling other sailors 87 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: aboard the USS Princeton, people who also witnessed the event. 88 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: Now that the news had broken, he wanted to make 89 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: sure they could all stick together, and he urged them 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: to come forward and talk about the incident openly. 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: We can't let command a favor twist in the wind 92 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: by himself here, because we were there and we know 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: what happened. 94 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: We have to balance what he's saying. So that's how 95 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: that all started. 96 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: Both the New York Times and Politico broke the news 97 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: that the Pentagon had been investigating UAPs for a decade. 98 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: This UAP task force was officially known as the Advanced 99 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: Aerospace Threat Identification Program. The leader of the operation, lou Elizondo, 100 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: had just resigned, claiming he left the program for similar 101 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: reasons as Kevin Day. His higher ups were simply not 102 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: taking this seriously. 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: I think what happens from this point forward, the science 104 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: teams get on the ball around the planet and we 105 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: start collecting science data on these things. 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: UAP is noble. We can know what these are. 107 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: We're worried about paying the rent and making sure the 108 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: electric bills paid and the kids are on school and 109 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: time and they're. 110 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: Healthy, well addressed. Who the hell's got time to think 111 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: about you? You know, we have to live in the 112 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: data to life. What if the entire. 113 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: Planet has to change all of a sudden and we're 114 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: not prepared. That's what the scientists are saying. Now, hey, 115 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: get ready for the societal impacts. Looking back on this, 116 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade a moment what I went through, because, 117 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: you know what, the things that happen to me are 118 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: going to be a powerful damn message. You want to 119 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: go to Congress. That's how I'm going to transmitt this. 120 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to turn it into a message that they 121 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: are going to have to listen to. I feel so 122 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: damn lucky. I can't even express how lucky I feel, 123 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: how blessed I am. 124 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 4: What in honor? What in honor? 125 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: It was all worth it, all of it to get 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: the message out. Whether we like it or not, whether 127 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: we admit to it or not, these things are coming. 128 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 3: Accept it. I don't want anything. I don't want money, 129 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: I don't want fame. I want the. 130 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: World to get ready for what's about to happen. That's 131 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: what Kevin Day wants. 132 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 6: It was so cool to see a Space Shuttle launch 133 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 6: or a landing and realize my dad was instrumental in 134 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 6: doing that. 135 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: This is John Greenwald, the founder and creator of the 136 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: Blackfault dot com, And after. 137 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: He retired, I found out he worked on the Mars lander. 138 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 6: I found out he worked on the Space Defense program. 139 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: So there's a lot about him that I didn't know 140 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: until after he retired. 141 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 6: And my dad he has really kind of I think, 142 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 6: instilled in me the fascination with space and stretching the 143 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 6: limits of what science can do. 144 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 4: I started way back when I was fifteen years old. 145 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 6: A incident in nineteen seventy six one of the very 146 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 6: few UFO documents that you could go and read and download, 147 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 6: and it read very much like a X Files episode, 148 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 6: a science fiction movie. It just didn't make sense. Seen 149 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 6: over the city of Tehran, Iran, a second UFO was 150 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 6: seen coming out of that one, a third coming out 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 6: of the bottom, one of which the F four Phantom 152 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 6: pilot saw hover above the ground and cast this large 153 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 6: light just like the. 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: Tictec in two thousand and four. The Tehran UFO incident 155 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: involved not only eyewitnesses the radar pings of something strange 156 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: in the sky. The pilots began to engage the UFO 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: over Iran's capital city, and as they got closer, both 158 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: F four Phantom jets lost controls of their onboard weapons systems. 159 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: As they turned off from the pursuit and headed back 160 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: towards their base. 161 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: Magically, all their. 162 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Communication and weapons functions began working again, and this happened 163 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: to both of the jets. 164 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 6: During this whole event, two separate F four Phantom jets 165 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 6: seemingly were strategically shut down, losing controls communications as they 166 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 6: were engaging this UFO. 167 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: Whatever that was. 168 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 6: One could potentially be a coincidence. Two, however, seem strategic 169 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 6: and it seemed like technology. There's really not a feasible 170 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 6: explanation for it, even to this day. So the question 171 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 6: mark is, well, what was it and why we're talking 172 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 6: about nineteen seventy six here with all this time that passed. 173 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 6: I mean, maybe we'd see something similar, maybe we'd have 174 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 6: a viable explanation. 175 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: At this point we have nothing. We have neither. 176 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: This was almost thirty years before the tic TACs were seen. 177 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: How could an adversary like Russia or China have such 178 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: a tight lid on some advanced technology like this for 179 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: so damn long. 180 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 6: That was the first document that I got when I 181 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 6: was fifteen, and I thought, man, the Internet has to 182 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 6: have more. And that's what kind of drove me and 183 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 6: motivated me to go back and look. And there really 184 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 6: wasn't anything. You just saw more of the he said, 185 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 6: she said story. There were chat forums, message boards at 186 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 6: the time, nobody really had the full story, and if 187 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 6: they were telling the same story, they were telling it 188 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 6: in different ways. 189 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: And it was so frustrating. 190 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 6: So that's why I started utilizing the FOYA and then 191 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 6: just going after these documents because I figured, Hey, if 192 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 6: this four page document exists, there have to be more. 193 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: And sure enough, there was a lot more. 194 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 6: The Freedom of Information Act is essentially a law here 195 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 6: in America that allows anyone in the world. You actually 196 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 6: don't even have to be an American citizen to access information. 197 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 6: You request information, they have to send it to you, 198 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 6: but the fine print allows nine different reasons for them 199 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 6: to say no. Those nine different what they call exemptions, 200 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 6: are those reactions that you see, freedom of information. We 201 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 6: can go after information. Government militaries got to send it 202 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 6: to us. Problem is they put in nine reasons for 203 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 6: them not. 204 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: To send it. 205 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 6: To see things that the American public and the world 206 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 6: have never seen before, to get documents, to get videos 207 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 6: like old film reels, it's such an amazing feeling because 208 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 6: you're seeing history that only a select few people that 209 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 6: had clearances or that were involved in the project have. 210 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: Seen before I was fifteen. I was stupid. 211 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 6: I didn't realize exactly what I was getting myself into, 212 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 6: but quickly learned that the government was going to push back. 213 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 6: And what I first wanted to achieve was essentially get 214 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 6: these documents out and put them out in their raw form. 215 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 6: I didn't anticipate the struggle that there was going to 216 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 6: be to get it. Being that fifteen year old curious kid, 217 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 6: I didn't know a whole lot about it. I just 218 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 6: knew there was something there. What was this Freedom of 219 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 6: Information Act? But hey, they're going to send me something 220 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 6: for free. 221 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: Cool? 222 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 6: And that's what I kind of went for the Freedom 223 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 6: of Information Act, building a website and just kind of 224 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 6: going from there, and I take it to kind of 225 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 6: the next level for me, where I put it online 226 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 6: for everybody. Here we are twenty six years and three 227 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 6: point two million pages later. I haven't gone anywhere people 228 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 6: can download with the click of a button in seconds 229 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 6: what sometimes took me over a decade to get. Literally, 230 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 6: for me, that drives some of the motivation to do 231 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 6: what I do. 232 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: John has been collecting documents released via foiler request since 233 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: he was fifteen years old. I wasn't even remotely productive 234 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: with anything at that age. 235 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 6: I went from that curious fifteen year old kid who 236 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 6: was just trying to find some documents to really piecing 237 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 6: together pieces of the puzzle that in some cases had 238 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 6: never been released to the general public at all, finding 239 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 6: that irrefutable proof that they were still interested in UFOs 240 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 6: and even in the CIA files had material of some 241 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 6: kind post what they admitted to investigating back in the forties, fifties, 242 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 6: and sixties. I deep down kind of always knew there 243 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 6: was a mystery to this. I mean, you just look 244 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 6: at the books on bookshelves and a bookstore, and I knew 245 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 6: that there was a lot to the topic. It wasn't 246 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 6: just kind of like a silly Internet rumor. So, being 247 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 6: again that young naive kid, I didn't know what I 248 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 6: was getting myself into, but I at least was kind 249 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 6: of solidified with my beliefs that there was something unknown 250 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 6: about this, something. 251 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 4: That was worthwhile exploring. 252 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 6: From all over the world, they were collecting sightings and 253 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 6: that nineteen seventy six Iran incident, I'll stress the date 254 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 6: nineteen seventy six, seven years after the United States Air 255 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 6: Force and in turned the United States government said, hey, 256 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 6: there's nothing to this, there's nothing that's a threat to 257 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 6: national security. 258 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 4: We're not interested. 259 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 6: If you want to report something, go to your local 260 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 6: law enforcement or a UFO group, but we don't care. 261 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 6: Behind the scenes, though, they were collecting all these reports, 262 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 6: and clearly, if you have a craft of some kind 263 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy six that can strategically shut down two 264 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 6: separate F four phantom jets, that's a concern. There was 265 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 6: a United States Air Force pilot that chimed in on 266 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 6: one of the documents that I found through the NSA 267 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 6: on this very incident. He stated in this once classified document. 268 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 6: It was a low level classification for this one. There's 269 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 6: certain things in a pilot's career that just defy logic 270 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 6: and explanation. This case is one of them, he says. 271 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 6: But this will probably be filed in a drawer somewhere 272 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 6: and forgotten. All the way up to twenty seventeen, the 273 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 6: government maintained that they had zero interest in UFOs. Oh, 274 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 6: that's probably left over from Project Bluebook. They forgot about it. 275 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 6: Military is notorious for forgetting things. What I did was 276 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 6: proved quite the opposite, that it was actually modified through 277 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 6: the two thousands. UFOs was never taken out. Now, some 278 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 6: of your odd it's might say, well, that doesn't sound surprising. 279 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 6: They're looking into UFOs prior to twenty seventeen, when the 280 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 6: UFO program that was reported in the New York Times 281 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 6: kind of blew open this whole avalanche of interest and 282 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 6: so on. Prior to that, it was a lot different. 283 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 6: That's part of my story, that's part of my growth 284 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 6: and seeing both eras being deeply entrenched and saying, look, 285 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 6: there is irrefutable proof the government is lying. They're interested 286 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 6: in UFOs. These phenomena are real. Those multiple facets of it, 287 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 6: It extended way beyond nineteen sixty nine. They're lying to 288 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 6: you about the interest. They have material. You can see 289 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 6: photos of it in the old Army files. I mean 290 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 6: there's stories on top of stories on top of stories, 291 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 6: and then you get to twenty seventeen, then they start 292 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 6: talking about it, and then all of a sudden you 293 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 6: have this completely different conversation. 294 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: My experience on my other show, Radio Rental has shown 295 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: me that there is more unexplained in this world that 296 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: I ever could have imagined. Through decades of in depth research, 297 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: John Is unearthed mountains of bizarre stories, all by requesting 298 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: documents from the government. 299 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 6: Now they're acknowledging UAP are real, they're looking into it, 300 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 6: they're investigating it, and they're talking about it. 301 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: They're not poking fun at it. 302 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 6: There's research organizations or groups within the United States military 303 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 6: complex that are looking at this thing. That's all positive, 304 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 6: full stop period. The bad part is the secrecy. I 305 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 6: thought twenty six, twenty fifteen years ago secrecy was bad enough, 306 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 6: it's worse now. It's not a popular take right now 307 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 6: because those that want to believe that we are on 308 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 6: the road to some disclosure feel that just because the 309 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 6: government is talking about UAP, that this is it. The 310 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 6: reality is that even though they are talking about it, 311 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 6: they have deeper secrecy now procedures specifically targeting the UAP 312 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 6: topic to classify it, and they don't want to tell 313 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 6: us about it. A lot of people that again really 314 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 6: have that belief that we are onto something here on 315 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 6: the road to this disclosure, feel that politicians are going 316 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 6: to be the answer. 317 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: Now. 318 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 6: Look, I've met quite a few politicians over the years. 319 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 6: Some of them are great people, some of them their 320 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 6: heart is in the right place. But if anybody thinks 321 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 6: politicians are going to be the turning point for transparency 322 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 6: on UAP have a real big letdown coming. My proof 323 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 6: of that is you look in the last couple of 324 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 6: years and these classified briefings that we now know quite 325 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: a few politicians have had. They are going behind closed 326 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 6: doors and hearing what you and I can't. 327 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 4: They don't come. 328 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 6: Out and reveal anything, right, I mean, we can all 329 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 6: agree to that. They've got their security oaths and nobody 330 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 6: has turned around and shouted to the heavens that all 331 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 6: of this stuff has to be declassified. Their own procedures 332 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 6: are stopping them from doing that. 333 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 4: Politicians cannot circumvent it. 334 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 6: So even if those are coming out of the classified 335 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 6: briefings screaming to the high heavens, you need to declassify 336 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 6: all of this in the eyes of the military, it 337 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 6: doesn't matter. Can they have pressure, absolutely, Will they be successful? 338 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 4: Probably not? 339 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 6: And newsflash to some politicians are kind of selfish like 340 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 6: that they want the information for themselves and they want 341 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 6: to keep part of that information from you and I. 342 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 4: Why control. 343 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 6: Those are all elements to this conversation that a lot 344 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 6: of people I don't think banter about as much as 345 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 6: they should. I don't think politicians are the answer. I 346 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 6: don't pretend to know what the answer is. I just 347 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 6: don't have as high of hopes as some people do. 348 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 6: Even though you have politicians on these committees, getting the 349 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 6: classified briefings and maybe getting motivated enough to create that legislation, 350 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 6: they are not there in perpetuity. They are not there 351 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 6: forever they change, they'll retire, they get voted out. That's 352 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 6: why I don't think politicians are going to be that 353 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 6: ultimate answer. 354 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that play here. 355 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 6: I think society creates the dream scenario, but it's not 356 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 6: necessarily reality. I don't believe disclosure in the sense that 357 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 6: we all talk about it is going to happen. I 358 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 6: don't see the government coming to some kind of podium. 359 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 6: President comes out in front of the White House and says, 360 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 6: the extraterrestrial presence is here. 361 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 4: They're real, we know about this. 362 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 6: That's how most people define disclosure, and I don't think 363 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 6: that's going to happen. I think disclosure is going to 364 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 6: be with us, that we're going to be able to 365 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 6: figure out those answers for ourselves. For some, that threshold 366 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 6: is a lot higher or lower, depending upon who you 367 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 6: talk to for them to really come to the conclusion, Hey, 368 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 6: there is an extraterrestrial presence here. 369 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 4: For me, that's what it's all about. 370 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 6: Bring it all together for yourself, analyze it for yourself, 371 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 6: and come to a conclusion. I don't need the government 372 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 6: to tell me what I believe. I don't need a 373 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 6: researcher to write me a book and tell me what 374 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 6: to believe. I don't need anybody who runs a site 375 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 6: called the Black Vault to tell me what to believe, 376 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 6: because I don't want to be that person to tell 377 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 6: people what to believe. I think we should all just 378 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 6: look at all those pieces of the puzzle and try 379 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 6: and figure it out. And for me, that's what disclosure 380 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 6: ultimately is. 381 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 4: What is it? Is it extraterrestrials, Is it aliens? What 382 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 4: everybody wants to know? 383 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 6: I don't know, because my threshold is really high to 384 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 6: say that everybody thinks the government is this all knowing entity, 385 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 6: that they have the answers and they're just the big, 386 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 6: bad evil guys that are keeping it from us. There 387 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 6: is a partial belief that I have that they just 388 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 6: have zero answers, that they truly are clueless, that they 389 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 6: have no idea just like kind of some of us, 390 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 6: we're just trying to figure all this out. I think 391 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 6: that's a possibility too, that the government doesn't have all 392 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 6: the answers. I mean, you can't in one breath say 393 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 6: they're completely inept and can't do X, Y and Z, 394 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 6: and then in the next breath say they are holding 395 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 6: the biggest secret of humanity and they've been able to 396 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 6: cover it up in any ample undeniable scientific proof that 397 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 6: extraterrestrials are here and it's all because the United States 398 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 6: government has done that. Does the government know more than 399 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 6: what they're telling? Absolutely, that's undeniable. We can see that 400 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 6: with the secrecy and the reactions and the denied documents 401 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 6: and videos and photographs. But does that denial constitute answers 402 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 6: that I don't know, but I would have my doubts 403 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 6: that they do. I think that they may be trying 404 00:21:46,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 6: to figure it out just as much as some of us. 405 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 7: My name is Ryan Graves, former fateen pilot. 406 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: Ryan Graves, former Navy fighter pilot and engineer, got a 407 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: sense of deja vu when he saw the UAP videos 408 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: released in twenty seventeen. He recognized the voices he'd already 409 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: seen this video before during a classified briefing aboard the 410 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: USS Theodore Roosevelt in twenty fourteen. 411 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: They upgraded all their radar systems. 412 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 8: Once we had upgraded our radar to the newest version, 413 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 8: we were seeing things that just weren't there on the 414 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 8: other radar. We would go out in the morning with 415 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 8: one aircraft with one radar and not see anything, and 416 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 8: then we'd get an upgraded radar on our next flight, 417 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 8: and then we'd see a lot of these objects. 418 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 7: We actually didn't think it was anything. 419 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 8: We thought it was a radar malfunction of some type 420 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 8: until we got close enough with some of the cameras 421 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 8: we have on board to see that they were physical objects. 422 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: During an air to air training mission, as pilots were 423 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: returning to the aircraft carrier, they noticed on radar an 424 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: object that looked to be a disc or gimbal shape 425 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: with five other objects flying in formation nearby it. 426 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 7: There was energy emitting from those spots. 427 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 8: This was now potentially some kind of drone or junk 428 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 8: or something. Once we got them on the fleer, which 429 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 8: is our camera system, we'd want to fly by the 430 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 8: scene with our eyes, but we couldn't see them if 431 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 8: our radar is looking at something. Everything is looking there, 432 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 8: and all that information is pumped into my visor on 433 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 8: my helmet. As I'm flying right at this object, there's 434 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 8: a square in my visor showing me where to look. 435 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 8: Look there, Look there. I can see my wingmen and 436 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 8: the circles on them. But for these particular objects, we'd. 437 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 7: Come by them and there would be nothing in the square. 438 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 7: We couldn't see them. 439 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 8: Faighteen's radar system isn't the best tool to help us 440 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 8: figure out what these are. 441 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 7: There's a refresh rate. 442 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 8: If something was to accelerate so fast it just darts 443 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 8: off on the radar, that might not look like a 444 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 8: super fast acceleration. That might just look like something disappearing 445 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 8: off my radar. 446 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 7: One of the days we. 447 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 8: Were going out on a flight together, two of the aircraft, 448 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 8: two people in each aircraft, and just a standard day 449 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 8: going out to do some training out in the working areas. 450 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 8: We enter the working areas at a very specific location, 451 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 8: at a very specific altitude, and now as aircraft are departing, 452 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 8: they essentially depart lower at the exact same spot. That's 453 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 8: kind of the entry and exit point they call it. 454 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 8: They were flying through that point and right at the 455 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 8: point they flew right by. 456 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 7: One of these. 457 00:24:53,840 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 8: Objects went right between the lead aircraft and his wingman. 458 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 8: This object went right between them, flew through it almost 459 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 8: hit the thing. To my knowledge, this is the first 460 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 8: visual of the object. They ended up knocking off the 461 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 8: flight after that, essentially canceling the flight. He came back. 462 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 8: He had a look of shock on his face. I 463 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 8: was hit one of those damn things. I was like, well, 464 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 8: what it looked like? He was like, it was a 465 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 8: dark black cube inside a clear sphere. The corners of 466 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 8: the cube were essentially touching the inside of that sphere. 467 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 7: No gas, no propulsion, no propellers. 468 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 8: We shouldn't have objects operating near our fighter jets that 469 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 8: we don't know what they are. 470 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 7: That's a serious issue. The fact that one of these could. 471 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 8: Take out our aircraft and the crew with it is 472 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 8: a major safety issue United States security perspective. It's a 473 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 8: major lapse to just assume that this is something that's 474 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 8: not going to be a problem. As time progressed, more 475 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 8: people saw them. I know at least a ten or 476 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 8: so that saw the objects themselves and described it the 477 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 8: same way. 478 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 7: It kind of broke our brain. What we do with 479 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 7: things that are strange. 480 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 8: We try to make it not strange anymore by relating 481 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 8: it to something else. Laying in bed at the end 482 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 8: of the day, that lingering question, that kind of uncertainty. 483 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 8: For a while, that's where it sat for me until 484 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 8: I left on deployment to Mississippi, where I was in 485 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 8: a flight instructor gave me more time to kind of 486 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 8: think and reflect on it, and that's when I realized 487 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 8: I felt the need to talk about it. 488 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: He released video shows an encounter between US Navy pilots 489 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 2: and some kind of unidentified flying object. 490 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 8: It wasn't an overly hard choice. We've been stigmatized around 491 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 8: this topic. I hate to use this word, but programmed 492 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,239 Speaker 8: in a sense, with certain assumptions about what ET is 493 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 8: through our media and our culture and all those things. Right, 494 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 8: we like that it's something that fascinates us as human 495 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 8: beings to think that there's something else out there, and 496 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 8: so we've built up stories about it. But those stories 497 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 8: have been created with our own imaginations. I had some 498 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 8: assumptions that I didn't realize were so fundamentally baked into 499 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 8: my core right. Being able to examine those assumptions in 500 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 8: a logical way help me understand that there's actually a 501 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 8: lot of meat on this bone. We are truly perhaps 502 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 8: talking about something alien, and that word I think has 503 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 8: more depth to it than we commonly think it does. 504 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 8: If something is truly alien, it might be very difficult 505 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 8: for us to really imagine its makeup. We have to 506 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 8: assume if there's hyperintelligent aliens out there, that there's a 507 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 8: lot of knowledge that we don't have right that we're 508 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 8: just at the very beginning of our scientific understanding. If 509 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 8: that's true, if that logic is true, then almost by definition, 510 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 8: anything we're going to see as almost magical beyond our 511 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 8: comprehension and understanding because we just simply haven't connected those 512 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 8: dots yet. 513 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 7: And that is understanding. 514 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 8: When you look at the behavior overall, there's no consideration 515 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 8: for energy here. To have something that can go as 516 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 8: fast as a jet and then go as low as 517 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 8: a helicopter to do those things back and forth, it 518 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 8: takes an incredible amount of energy. But when we would 519 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 8: look at these objects on the flear, it just looked 520 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 8: like a single source of IUR energy. 521 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 7: Coming out from the objects. 522 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 8: No propellers, there's no heat, there's no plume of gas 523 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 8: keeping it in place. 524 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: When a Navy fighter pilot says they saw something unexplained 525 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: in the sky with no signs of propulsion and openly 526 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: claims that the technology is not from anything we have 527 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: here on Earth, it's hard not to listen and to 528 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: actually believe their story. 529 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 8: One of the things that I'm doing within my work 530 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 8: at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics is building 531 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 8: a state of technology manual, if you will, for UAP 532 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 8: sensing something that would be updated yearly that we could 533 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 8: put out to help inform engineering community on different methodologies 534 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 8: that have been tested and what works and what doesn't. 535 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 8: Really looking to move the engineering conversation forward. This is 536 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 8: the beginning of a scientific peer review process that's going 537 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 8: to allow a standardized and reputable way of discovery where 538 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 8: we can have experts come in from across the aerospace 539 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 8: scientific regime and provide peer review to papers that get 540 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 8: published and no kidding, move the science forward. You can 541 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 8: see how artificial intelligence is moving itself in to science more. 542 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 8: It would make sense to utilize machine learning to perhaps 543 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 8: understand certain areas or functions that maybe aren't obvious to 544 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 8: our understanding of science. I think that we will radically 545 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 8: have redefined how we think about intelligence. We're going to 546 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 8: share this earth in a sense with another non human intelligence. 547 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 8: We have to really leverage our interaction with AI to 548 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 8: be competitive and successful. That's going to be an interesting change. 549 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 8: I think the concept in our understanding of consciousness and 550 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 8: intelligence will be much greater in fifty years. 551 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 9: How do we try to kind of unwind and understand 552 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 9: how those vehicles could operate that way? 553 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: Because if that's. 554 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 9: A bad guy who has that technology, we're in big trouble. 555 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 9: They're basically rendering defenseless all of this stuff that we've 556 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 9: developed over many decades. 557 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 4: To protect and they're toying with us. 558 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 9: Is there any way we could understand how those things 559 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 9: could be doing that, Maybe get a little further down 560 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 9: the road of explaining where they're coming from, who owns them, 561 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 9: is somebody in them or is it a drone. One 562 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 9: of the studies the idea which I found fascinating was 563 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 9: on multi dimensional travel. In other words, maybe these things 564 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 9: are not so far away. They're from here, and think 565 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 9: of stranger things. They're from the upside down, and that 566 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 9: sounds crazy the more you think about it. We know 567 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 9: there are things that exist in this natural world that 568 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 9: we can't see. When you sent me a text on 569 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 9: your phone to mine something went from you to me, 570 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 9: and we don't see it, we don't feel it, we 571 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 9: don't taste it. 572 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 5: The concept of not knowing what it is is alarming. 573 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 5: They were all explained, we wouldn't even be talking about this. 574 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 5: Whole nature of the phenomenon is that we don't know 575 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 5: what it is. It's always been that way. I wish 576 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 5: they would get to the point where they would be 577 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 5: willing to say, I don't know what it is, but 578 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 5: I know it's not from planet Earth, or I know 579 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 5: it's not made by human hands. 580 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 7: That really distinguishes. 581 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 5: It closes that door which we've always left open about well, 582 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 5: maybe it's Russian or Chinese or something. 583 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 9: The government said this publicly a year ago that some 584 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 9: of these UAPs as they call them. 585 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 4: Are not ours, they're not our aircraft. 586 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 5: Maybe it's possibly secret technology from America, which they sort 587 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 5: of said it isn't, But there's always that little bit 588 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 5: of question about that. 589 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 3: If that works true, it would be an amazingly good story. 590 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 4: There would basically be evidence of a government within a government. 591 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 9: I think it's very remote that that is the case, 592 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 9: these things have been seen at least since the beginning 593 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 9: of the technological age, the age of aviation. What country 594 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 9: developed this stuff when? I mean, how could we have 595 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 9: missed that all these years later? 596 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 5: Gradual dissemination is probably the safest and best way to 597 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 5: do it, and then they can gauge people's reactions and 598 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 5: see how it affects people and not create this huge shock. 599 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 5: If they can work gradually up to the moment where 600 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 5: they might cross that line where they acknowledge that there's 601 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 5: something here that's non human. 602 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 9: I think it's an exciting time to be around. We 603 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 9: obviously have a lot of problems as a planet, a 604 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 9: lot of people who doubt we're going to make this 605 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 9: thing work much longer unless we get our shit together. 606 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 9: We also live at a time where technology and the 607 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 9: ability to understand not just our own world, but what 608 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 9: else is out there is much sharper than it's ever been. 609 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 4: Massive changes in the world just in the. 610 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 9: Last hundred years, more change than in the previous thousand years. 611 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 9: One hundred years from now, we may know a lot 612 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 9: of things if we don't kill ourselves first. There's no 613 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 9: doubt the Overton window has moved. There's a window of 614 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 9: what's acceptable public debate. If things don't fit into that window, 615 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 9: you can't really talk about it because. 616 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 4: You're seen as being on the fringe. 617 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 9: UFOs clearly, the fact that Congress openly talks about it 618 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 9: demands more investigation. 619 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 4: The Overton window has moved. 620 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 5: We think of ourselves as being the top of the 621 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 5: food chain, right, We're it to imagine that that's actually 622 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 5: not the case. 623 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 9: You have to kind of reconceive a lot of our 624 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 9: own narrative here on the planet. Keep an open mind, 625 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 9: open to the idea that some of these. 626 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 4: Sightings really are not earthly. 627 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: This morning, I woke up, had breakfast and some coffee, showered, 628 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: then went to my office. I got a call from 629 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: this reporter at Newsweek. He wanted to hear my thoughts 630 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: in the latest Chinese surveillance balloons, the one shot down 631 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: by the US military, but more specifically the strange tic 632 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: tac shaped objects shot down over Alaska, the one the 633 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: US government claimed it was unable to recover. 634 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 4: That's too bad. 635 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: I had a few zoom calls, a quick lunch, did 636 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: some scrolling on TikTok and Instagram. 637 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: Is it a UFOE boone wouldn't do. 638 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: That algorithms working nicely today. Send a few emails. Some 639 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: listeners sent me some home footage of what they think 640 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: is a UFO in their backyard. 641 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 4: An email from someone in the military who has a story. 642 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: Then this really angry message about how my podcast is 643 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: polluting the minds of kids, and if aliens were real, 644 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: they'd be in the Bible or something like that. 645 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 4: I don't know. Her name was Karen Something. 646 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: I left my office, went to my local neighborhood bar. 647 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: It's called Vesper by the way, I'm getting a Manhattan. 648 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: I saw a few friends there who were so energized 649 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: to talk about UFOs. Damn it. I didn't want to 650 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: be the UFO guy. But our conversations felt different. They 651 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: became more philosophical, discussing our beliefs in the real implications 652 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: of life beyond our planet in the universe. Okay, I'll 653 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: stay for one more, a phone call, email, Time to 654 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: eat dinner and go to sleep. 655 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 4: But I didn't. I couldn't sleep. 656 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: My mind was racing with way too many existential thoughts 657 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: about life and the future, and not the negative kind either. 658 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: This insatiable itch in the back of my brain, this 659 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: desire to learn more about everything and just figure it 660 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: all out. As I sat on the edge of my bed, 661 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: reflecting back on all the people I talked to, all 662 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: the personal stories and eyewitness accounts, the mountains of archival 663 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: documents I'd read, and all the differing opinions from every 664 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: single person out there, I realized something. I realized despite 665 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: all my efforts in this podcast, I myself still did. 666 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 4: Not have a definitive answer. 667 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: If anything, it felt like I had opened the door 668 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: to even more questions. But I almost instantly realized something 669 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: else that I think I'm okay with that. Truthfully, had 670 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 1: I learned that all this UFO stuff was just fake 671 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: and closed the book on it, well, then I wouldn't 672 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: even have more questions. 673 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 4: The conversation would be over. 674 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: Knowledge and understanding isn't something you attain overnight. 675 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 4: It's a process that's so individually unique to all of us. 676 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: I feel like, because we live in a world where 677 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: information travels the fastest it ever has, Like how quickly 678 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: we get the breaking news on our phone, can send 679 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: a message or make a call, how connected we are 680 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: to even strangers all through the Internet. It's too easy 681 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: to fall into the mindset that we need to know 682 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: everything right now, everything around us is so instant. The 683 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: reality is we're all still learning about everything and will 684 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: never stop learning. Things change, people change, views change. 685 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 4: We're all still evolving. 686 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: It's too easy to look at life in this exact 687 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: moment and think this is it. But if we just 688 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: stopped for a second and really think about it, we 689 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: all know that's not actually true. Look back in history 690 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: a thousand years or even just last week. We know 691 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: more today than we literally did yesterday. I mean, seriously, 692 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: we used to smoke cigarettes on airplanes like it was nothing. 693 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: Today's breaking news is tomorrow's old news, and with every 694 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: minute passed, it all becomes a little bit easier for 695 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: us to understand. It's okay to not know everything, and 696 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: feeling like we have to all the time tends to 697 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: make us incredibly divisive. Once upon a time, we were 698 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: cavemen just banging rocks and making fires. We've evolved so 699 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 1: much in nearly every way imaginable, and we can't forget 700 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: that we're still evolving. So as I sat there on 701 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: the edge of my bed, thinking back on everything I 702 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: had learned, I realized that even though I couldn't close 703 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: the book on UFOs, the fact that I couldn't means 704 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: to me that there's still so much more to learn. 705 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: Life can feel like a hamster wheel doing the things 706 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: we know until we get too tired and go to sleep, 707 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: but our own curiosity of the world around us should 708 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: be encouraged and celebrated. This desire to reach out and 709 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: explore is what makes us special as humans. So even 710 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: though the hamster wheel keeps turning, it's okay to step 711 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: off every once in a while and contemplate the bigger picture. 712 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: It'll be right there waiting for you if you ever 713 00:40:36,480 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: decide to come back until next time. This is High Strange. 714 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: High Strange is a production by Tenderfoot TV in association 715 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: with Cadence thirteen, created, hosted and edited by myself Payne Lindsay. 716 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: Executive producers are myself and Donald Albright. Editing by Mike Rooney, 717 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: Cooper Skinner and myself. 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