WEBVTT - Detransition, Lana (feat. Shon Faye) 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.360 Wasn't another one of her boyfriends a cop. That's very dregs, 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:16.600 that's very dress. She's she any non not my name, yo, 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:26.840 yo yo? What is your childhood brother? Yo? Going down 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:39.800 the floor like j So. Welcome to Like a Virgin, 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.080 the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.680 I'm Rose dam you and I'm Fran Toronto and we 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.880 just got off of a very exciting Google meeting talking 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:55.160 about our live show happening in Brooklyn this weekend. Oh 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.520 my god, I am so stoked. We're pulling this together 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.720 very last minute, and that is going to be the vibe. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:05.120 It's going to be the essence um Peyton Dicks, the 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.440 essence of beauty. Payton Dix, famed bisexual, has famously never 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.080 seen a single episode of Sex in the City or 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.759 but she has seen the entirety of ants like that 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.720 which is fucked us, which is so fucked up. We 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.720 will be discussing. But anyways, this weekend, Saturday, only a 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:27.400 one night event, we will be live viewing the bisexual 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.360 episode of Sex and the City, which is one of 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.120 some would say the most problematic episode of of Sex 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.480 in the City. Not me, I would definitely put it 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.319 in the top three top four most problematic episodes. Well, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.680 we'll debate, we'll debate. Well, we'll debate if you're in 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.520 New York City. 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We like intimate venues the 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.120 way Madonna what wait, what tour did she go to 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.720 where she had the intimate, the intimate the Madam concerts? Yeah, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.040 that her Madam. It will it will be this era, 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.960 yeah with the show. That's yeah, this is our this 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.200 is our weekends with adele Um. But it's only one weekend. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.640 Come this Saturday. It's gonna be so much fun. And also, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.480 you know, while we're doing some housekeeping, make sure that 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:54.480 you subscribe to our patreon for weekly exclusive bonus episodes. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:56.960 But yeah, without all out of the way, how the 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.320 hell are you fran so good? Rose? Um? I you know, 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.160 pulled myself out of a nap so that I could 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.560 go see a screening of Scream six at the AMC 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:12.160 Village and uh it was. It was good. Yeah, I 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.920 saw it last week as well, so we um and 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.359 we I didn't I thought you weren't going to see it. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.320 I know our periods are sinked. Well, I told you 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.440 that I didn't want to. I only would do it 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.400 if I could put it on my AMCs stubbs List 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.359 rewards member whatever the fuck it's called, um because I 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.320 actually haven't used my membership in like a month and 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.320 a half and so, you know, just trying to be 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.200 cost effective. But um, I I still got to sit 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.040 in my recliner chairs. I was very happy with my 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.080 viewing experience. What did you think of the beginning? The 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.240 first five minutes I think were a bit of a doozy. Yeah, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.880 I really liked the the cold open um. It was 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.040 a sort of a departure for a screen movie, and 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.960 that not just one person was killed. There was not 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.840 not really a fake out. It was more of like 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.800 a like a narrative moment like this professor gets killed 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.120 and then the killers get killed. So I thought that 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.160 was interesting. And you know, it's trying to do like 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.080 what Scream does best, which is this like meta commentary 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.720 on horror, and as the Scream movies have progressed, they 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:20.000 have more become a meta commentary on Scream movies than 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:25.240 on horror in general, unfortunately. I mean overall, I really 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.320 liked the movie up until the killer reveal, and then 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.040 I thought it was very dumb. Okay, so I mean 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.000 spoiler alerts vision, why didn't you like the killer reveal 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.599 because I felt it was anticlimactic. Yeah, it was sort 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.440 of a mix of things Scream has done before, where 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.280 it's you know, a family member of a past killer 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.719 or someone who's really obsessed with the whole Scream ghost 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:57.320 Faces narrative, and it did both, and I thought the 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.640 reveal was one that was like far too easy to predict, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.520 like obviously as soon as that as um Dylan McDermott show, 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.320 where is that Dermott moroney, I can never, I can never. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.960 It's it's Dermott moment, it's the other one. Okay. As 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.039 soon as he showed up, I was like, okay, he's 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:20.039 the killer. Yeah. And and then obviously also like the 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.440 one odd guy out in their group who's like, of course, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.440 but I bet you all think I'm the Killer's like okay, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.360 well obviously he's the killer too, And they just did that. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.680 They just did that as well. And the yeah, where 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.000 it was like the obvious one was the one. It 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.120 was just so unsatisfying. And I also felt like their 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:40.760 justification for why they were the killers was super lame. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.840 She was reaching your honor. Yeah. Also like why did 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.839 it take place in New York when it was entirely 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:51.320 shot in Montreal? It looked like it was shot in Montreal. 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.080 And also I mean, I guess they were there because 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:59.000 Jennet Ortega was going to NYU or whatever. But here's what, Okay, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.080 I lead with the negatives because had a ball and 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.000 I enjoyed this scream more too. I did. I did too. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.080 I thought this scream was so much better than the 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.040 last one and um and so big improvement they gave 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.200 that main girly some acting lessons because she was rotted 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.960 in the last Yeah, Melissa Guero definitely is like giving 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.480 final doll um. And I actually thought they were. I 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.200 thought for a second that they really were going to 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.240 kill her because they had alluded to it, and because 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.080 I was like, oh, if they made Jenna Ortega the 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.640 true protagonist of this franchise, that actually would be such 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.920 a serve. I'm not gonna lie, but well, I think 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.520 that's what's going to happen because and I think that 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.760 in the next movie, Melissa of this movie is going 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.000 to become the killer. Like I think she's snapped. She's 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.360 she's gonna be the Scream. She's gonna be the Scream. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:58.160 She's gonna be screams screaming to scream. Yeah, so as 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.080 she as you know, the killer is famously called Scream, Scream, 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.719 Scream yeah. Um. So Anyways, the thing for me is like, 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.040 there should have been more hijinks with Scream, Like I 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.480 wanted more. I wanted Scream in New York. I wanted 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.120 Scream getting a hot dog. I wanted to know. I 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:20.800 wanted Scream getting to like, yeah, going to see a 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:26.960 Hamilton matinee. Scream in Central Park. Yes, well that crying 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.120 on the subway. That's the thing is, none of that 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.840 happened because it wasn't actually shot in New York and 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.920 the most and I thought that some of my favorite 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.520 parts of the film were the ones were it tried 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.840 to approximate being in New York. Like the scene on 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.480 the subway was genuinely so good and thrilling. Um. The 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.000 scene in the bodega was also really amazing. And I 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.200 don't understand why, if you're gonna do it in New York, 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.200 just fucking shoot it in New York. Yeah. I didn't 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.160 get that either, because yeah, but I am. I love that. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.160 I love those scenes specific those are definitely two of 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.440 my favorite scenes as well. I thought that in those 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.280 scenes and throughout the movie, the relationship built on the 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.360 two sisters was so much stronger. So towards the end 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.400 when they were like fending off you know, the screams, 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.640 I was just like, I was, just like work Diva's 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.040 like they're gonna be like, you know, a ragtag duo 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.800 of like you know, murdery girls, and like I was, 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.520 I'm kind of like I want that form of the franchise. 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.200 Kirby's return was pretty gaggy and funny. I love that 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.160 she died like three times, but I hate that she's 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.520 a cop because I love I love Herbie, and she 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.040 is one of the high points of Scream four, which 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.160 I do think is one of the better films having 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:45.160 rewatched it recently. But it just sucks they made her 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.040 a cop. Yeah, and also it sucks that they put 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.400 her in that wig because she they were like, I'm thirty, 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.360 and I was like, honey, with that wig, you look 0:08:53.400 --> 0:09:00.199 like you're thirty. Yeah, Mason, Mason Gooding Man that you are. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.160 Oh god god. I mean, first of all, it's funny 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.960 that he's playing a college freshman when he's about, you know, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.880 thirty two. Yeah, he looks like a college freshman. And 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.960 he also looks like a Chad, which I love he does. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:19.920 He's so hot it's insane. It makes no Okay. That's 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.040 another complaint of mine is that I think that the 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:27.800 tension m M, no, what am I trying to say? 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.400 I think that I would have loved more of the 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.560 b plot, Like I felt like the romance between him 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.440 and Jenna Ortega like could have had some like little 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.760 like you know, college hijinks, twisty something like I wish 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.280 I had seen more of Jenna Ortega's life and its 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.400 relation and the stakes, like in you know, his survival, 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.680 Mason Goodding Survival. I would have liked that, specifically to 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.480 the end of making us believe that he could be 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.880 the killer. Yeah, that's what I wanted more of, was 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:07.520 more breadcrumbs of faking us out, because that's the thing. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.719 It's like, the reveal of who Scream was was not 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:16.160 only disappointing because it was lame, but because there wasn't 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.679 a ton of mystery. I wasn't. I didn't spend the 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.480 movie trying to guess who Scream was, and I should 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.480 have been. There should have been people being sus and 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.600 they really weren't. Although I guess like the main Girlie's 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.280 boyfriend was supposed to be the biggest fake out just 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.920 because he's like some random dude, but even that wasn't 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.280 like very compelling, and there was no moment where it 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.320 was sort of like a gotcha that he had like 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:45.160 a knife in his bag or whatever, although he was 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.440 part of one of the other most thrilling scenes where 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.640 they're locked in the apartment with Scream and have to 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.840 walk across the ladder on the air shot. That was good, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.800 so good. That was great. The action in this movie 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:05.760 was really fun. It's just, you know, not very good killers. Yeah, 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.600 I'm not very good killers. And um, I think that 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.480 the reveal. The problem with the reveal is that it 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.559 was just trying too hard to tie us back into 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.160 stories that I personally had already forgot about and didn't 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.480 care about anymore. Stories are so powerful. I don't know 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:27.600 if you. Stories are really powerful matter not. Everyone should 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.480 have survived, like the whole four four. That's the point 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.480 of screen movies is that the characters that you like die. 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.280 I like, I love Gail. Gail should have died, like 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.440 Mason Gooding's hot as he is should have died. Gail 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:48.480 Weather No, wait, Gail Weathers survived. Yeah, at the end, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.560 they had the moment where they were like, oh, yeah, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.600 Gail's at the hospital, Gail and Kirby are fine. That 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.920 doesn't make any sense. I thought she was I thought 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.280 she was dead. I totally missed that she was still alive. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.439 Stobbed so many times, so many times. And also, okay, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.319 I'm sorry, I'm sorry to do this, but like, why 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.800 is there not but a lick of I makeup on 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:15.040 Courtney Cox. She looks dead. I thought she looked I 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.320 thought she looked fab but she was still iconic. Of 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.480 course she she was and rip to her hot boyfriend 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.760 who had no lines and just died. Oh yeah, that 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.680 was so bizarre. Again, this is what I'm saying about 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.920 the b plots is like I almost wanted. Obviously, when 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:33.880 you have a big ensemble, you can't like do a 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.560 ton with like character development. But like, I don't know, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.960 there there could have been so many more interesting ways 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.720 for the killer reveal to go down if we had 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.120 more stakes in like what the characters were doing. But 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.760 it doesn't. You know, the action was amazing though, So yeah, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.960 you know, I guess I would plain. I guess I 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.480 was hoping that the killer reveal would have more to 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:56.440 do with the whole idea of the main girl whatever 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.439 her name is in the movie, Um, like the conspiracy 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.920 theory that she was the actual killer. Like I know 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.920 that the killers were the ones who planted that, but 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.840 I think that could have been a better part of 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.360 the sort of meta commentary that it was doing, like 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.400 about victimhood and you know, they just like didn't really 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.920 chase that that rabbit. So but yeah, still very enjoyable 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.360 moviegoing experience. I had a lot of fun watching it, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.680 and I will be seated for every scream that's it's 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:32.400 I just will. Okay, let's let's move on from from Scream, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:37.520 both the movie and the titular killer. Yeah. Two, we're 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.000 going from New York to Ocean Boulevard right now. Yes 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.240 to Lana del Rey, who also is the topic of 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.160 I mean she is the overarching topic of this whole 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.000 episode because after this we'll have a conversation about her 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:56.640 with Sean Fay, noted author and um Lana del Rey historian. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.520 So did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Boulevard? 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.600 Was released on Friday? And what do we think? Fran 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.360 Um love it, Love love love it. I am like 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.800 feeling like, you know, it's bringing us back to Norman Rockwell, Launa. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.720 I feel like it's also going to like SoundCloud Laana. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.360 It reminds me like something like Peppers. I think reminds 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:26.200 me a lot of her SoundCloud song with Asap Rocky Riding. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.640 That's like so like very Lizzy Grant. Yes, it's Lizzy Grant. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.040 It's like, I you know, trap beat from like garage band, 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.960 like you know iOS six, You know what I mean, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.800 Like it was it's like fun and funny and dirty, 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.800 and I don't know, she really is such a producer, 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.920 and I think that's something like I think I loved 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.920 and respected her more as a songwriter and asked a 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.040 producer on this album than I had in previous albums. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.920 What about You. Yeah, the songwriting on this is really beautiful, 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.160 and I really feel myself drawn to some of the 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.720 tracks that almost are the ones that I feel like 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:11.960 she'll never perform live, Like something like something like Fingertips, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.280 which like is almost more of just a poem set 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:20.240 to music, and like something that I like imagine is 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.360 she like just recorded to like have it live as 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.720 a song and it's not necessarily something she'll ever perform live. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.280 You know, I agree. I think in a lot of ways, 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:37.000 this is a return to a sound that she maybe 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:41.840 didn't do on Blue Banisters or or chem Trails, Like 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.960 there is a little bit more of that like hip 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.440 hop influence on some of the songs, but I feel 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.200 like what she's writing about has evolved a lot. Like 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:57.680 there's so much reckoning with mortality on this record, like 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.760 like the death that she's experienced in her family, like 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.800 the the knowledge of the mortality of the people she loves, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:09.240 and also like the idea of I think she's thinking 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.440 a lot about the legacy she's going to leave behind. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.160 Um and what you know, imprint her music has on 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.400 the world, which is really beautiful. And I mean some 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.239 of the imagery on this album, like um in Kintsugie 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.000 when she's talking about you know, like the cracks letting 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:32.680 the light come in is really lovely and yeah, I 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.120 just I just think it's really beautiful. It sounds very Um. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.800 A lot of the songs have that sort of like 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.840 old school Disney quality to the like the the orchestration 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.400 and um, I mean like some of them just like 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.720 the the like swelling of the music if so emotional, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.480 like the the Grandfather song Grandfather, Please Stand on the 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:01.240 Shoulders of My Father? I think is oh my Father 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:07.399 as something. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Um fish Tails also 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:12.359 really lovely and then um, I also really like Margaret 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.919 the song with Bleachers. I really like Candy Necklace. I 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:21.040 do think the standouts, the real standouts are the singles 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.919 that she's already released, Like yeah, I do think I 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:25.920 do think A and W is the best song on 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.480 the album A and W did you Know There's a tunnel? Um? 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.879 I also love that she's like in conversation with the 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:37.920 music she's already released, like on Um the Taco Truck, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.760 Venico Taco Truck, Venice Bitch. It's like I gasped, when 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:48.040 so good, so self referential. It reminded me of Sissa 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.520 sampling herself in her last album and like bringing us 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.359 back to these like iconic moments from their career and 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.320 then putting it in a completely new context. That almost 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.000 like it's like Lana kind of evaluating her self, which 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.440 I feel like she has been doing a lot over 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.919 the last few albums because when like when Laana like 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.800 emerged on the scene, you know, she was the complete package. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.520 She had an aesthetic, she had a vibe, she presented 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.359 like you know who, she was pretty unapologetically, and now 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.760 like these more recent albums, it's like her looking back 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.760 at her own archetype and seeing what she's going to 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.760 take and what she's gonna leave. I'm gonna take mine 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.800 of view with me, etc. Etc. So, like what you 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:37.080 said about you know, her self referencing and in something 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.720 like Venice Bitch, I think it just she she's doing 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.520 something that she does so well on this album in general, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.719 which is take off a whole language of like you know, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.840 Laana isms and pull them back and give them a 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.840 completely new meaning, Like Venice Bitch had a new meaning 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.920 at the end of this album and this song, and 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.720 that I really appreciated. Same thing with Peppers. To me, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.119 I mean the trope of letting the light in and 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.639 is like I think, really a beautiful kind of theme 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:14.640 like thematic device throughout this album. Um. With Kinsugi specifically, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.880 I mean Kintsugi, like that is such a stumble upon 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.840 thing like that is such a like tumbler girl discovers 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.800 like what Kintsugi is and like it's her whole personality 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.640 for like three months. Um. But like that's what Lana does. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.720 So Will is like is take this like the most 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:38.640 basic ass behavior and elevate it into an art form. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:44.560 Yes literally like basic into like actually like translatable like 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:50.720 megamind art star. Um. I will say. The Father John 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:55.600 Misty song is giving youth group. I could not I 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.640 could not really I could not really get on it. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.640 I felt like part of me wanted songs like that 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.680 to like No, I just wish there were more songs 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.480 like A ANDW that was like my only thing, Like 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:13.160 I wanted a little more grit, grit and glamor see. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.080 I felt that way with the interludes, which if you 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.520 do a little digging, are are from this like church 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:25.720 that she sometimes attends and their sermons from the pastor 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.160 and like that I didn't really vibe with. And I 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.720 was with my friend Hilton yesterday and they were saying, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.760 like that those songs are gonna ruin the experience of 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.639 having just Launa on shuffle, and like one of those 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.240 comes on, So maybe those will be songs that I 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:48.840 have to block on Spotify. Yeah, but I do really 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.359 think when placed in context with the rest of La 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.760 Launa's discography, like this just makes so much sense and 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:01.400 it's such a logical next step an evolution for her. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.560 And yeah, I wish I wish this album had been 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.520 out before our conversation with Sean, But I also think 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.679 we had a really good experience of like talking about 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.760 who Lana is as this album was about to be released, 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.080 and like where where she stands in the culture and 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.280 with all of us specifically. So I still think it's 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:32.080 like a very It was. It was a great conversation. Well, 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:37.560 happy Lana Day, Happy Happy Lana Weekend, Happy Lana week month, whatever. Um, 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.760 there are some things that we that I know are 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.359 like out in the culture that we just um that 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.960 we're not going to talk about today. Neither Fran or 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.240 I have watched the first episode of the new season 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:56.440 of Yellow Jackets, and we might hold that for the Patreon, 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.520 So if you want to hear our thoughts, you're going 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.200 to have to subscribe Patreon on tom Slush like a virgin. Also, 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.200 I have been spending the last couple months catching up 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:11.200 on Succession and I'm almost I'm like midway through season three. 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.560 So we will talk about Succession. I don't know if 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.800 we'll do it here or on the patron, but I'm 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:22.920 I'm like, I'm like full successionista now. I season. Yeah, 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.200 I was gonna ask got me Yeah. It was very 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.199 hard for me to get into it first. I was 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.680 really bored through the most of season one, and then 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:35.119 the end of season one like got me hooked, and 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:40.000 I just like plowed through season two really quickly, and 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.720 I'm I'm fully obsessed now. I said this on the pod. 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:45.879 I think I tried to watch the first episode of 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.600 Succession like four times because every time I was so 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.200 bored and I turned it off. But once you're in it, Steva, 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.439 you're in it. Yeah. I just I love I love Shiv, 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.120 I love Tom and Greg. I also love how none 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.520 of them are using iPhones because they're all villains and 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.320 we know that rule that Apple has. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Um. 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.200 I also love um what's her face? The mom the 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.359 mean mommy, mean mommy, who like Don Lawyer, called Jerry 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:21.080 Jerry Jerry Jerry. I also love um. I love Cherry 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.959 Jones and Holly Hunter. Cherry Jones plays the you know, 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:30.040 like the matriarch of the other so companies perfect arch 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.399 nemesis yea. And Holly Hunter with her fucking bangs. Holly 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:39.280 Hunter is crazy in this show. Oh my god. Um okay, yeah, 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.880 let's do a Patreon discussion. I can't wait to deep die. Yeah. 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.119 Maybe we'll maybe we'll have to bring um back a 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.840 previous guest to do like a proper Succession episode we have, 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.800 And I wonder who that I wonder who that could be? Yeah? 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:57.240 Who who has been on the show like loves Succession 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:04.640 very publicly. We'll see, We'll see, Okay, without further ado yeah, 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:10.040 my pussy tastes like pepsicola. It doesn't. It'd be like 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:31.200 a diet home flavorying diamond two baby, New York City, Sean, 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:36.240 what's your earliest memory of Lana? Like? When? When were you? 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.600 When was your cherry pop? Have you been there since 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.800 the beginning? I have been there, of course, have been 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.440 there since the beginning. I was like a gay boy 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:52.760 on Tumblr. M I actually video games. I wasn't as 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.480 I wasn't like right there at the beginning of video games, 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:59.560 before that breakout moment. I think Born to Die the 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.760 song with the Flower Crown and the Throne is like 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:07.200 my strongest memory of like the first song of lambdor 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.240 Rays that I became obsessed with, and then I went 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:14.520 back to video games. But I was there from pretty 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.920 early on, Like I have only ever seen Lana live 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.320 and that was twenty thirteen and it was the Born 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:25.240 to Die Paradise edition era. So yeah, I'm a Flower 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:32.200