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Speaker 1: the floor like j So. Welcome to Like a Virgin,

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Speaker 1: the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rose dam you and I'm Fran Toronto and we

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Speaker 1: just got off of a very exciting Google meeting talking

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Speaker 1: What was your intro to Lana? So much like Shanna,

424
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: I also used to be a gay boy on Tumblr

425
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: and I have said on this podcast that Lana is

426
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: the most successful pop star to like emerge from the

427
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: indie sleeves era, specifically on Tumblr, and that was definitely

428
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: my um exposure to her as well. I definitely found

429
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: out about her on Tumblr, like in the twenty tens,

430
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: like her like gifts and images and like and just

431
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: like you know, the tracks when tumbler could like put

432
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: any track on the blog and you could listen to

433
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: all the really unreleased shit like that was my kind

434
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: of first impression. And I actually don't really remember what

435
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: the first song I heard was, but obviously the first

436
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: thing that stuck to me was the gangster Nancy Sinatra thing,

437
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: because at the time I was going in college, I

438
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: was going through a big Nancy Sinatra phase and then

439
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: Lana just happened to emerge on the scene or in

440
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: my life, and I was like, oh, like she I mean,

441
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: I hate the kind of epithet gangster Nancy Sinatra. However

442
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: she does sound she has it. She sounds like Nancy Sinatra,

443
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: and I latched onto first and foremost that like the

444
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: aesthetic world that she built immediately on arrival, I mean,

445
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: her second arrival when she rebranded after Lizzie Grant, but

446
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: like that was like I just remember seeing the full

447
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: picture of her as this like sixties Los Angeles batty

448
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, I get it, yes, and excuse

449
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: us for dead names, but you know, she does seem

450
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: to be comfortable with the fact that we all know

451
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: shece was Lizzie Grant, so I think it's okay. Yeah,

452
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: So I actually like I was never in the Lizzie

453
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: Grant era. I don't know much about that era, y'all. No,

454
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: not really. I mean the music has definitely endured, Like

455
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, her unreleased songs are legendary and the real

456
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: real stands, like even deeper stands than I am have

457
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: like an encyclopedic knowledge of them. I'm more aware of

458
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: the visuals of that era, like her with the Blonde.

459
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: It's very much Yeah, it's very much thing when Katy

460
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: Perry was Katherine Hudson and she was a Christian rock musician, right, yeah,

461
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: it are there other examples of that, Like, yeah, Katie

462
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Perry is one of like other other big names with

463
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: pre eras that we've kind of like memory hold. I'm

464
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: trying to think, like, um, Shakira was Shakira was like

465
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: in the Spanish language, was kind of like an alanist.

466
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: Morrisset like sing a songwriter Gabriel Garcia marqueza that if

467
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: one hundred Years of Solitude was ever going to be

468
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: turned into a film, he would want Shakira to write

469
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: the entire musical score. And then she was like I'm

470
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: going to really she Wolf, well, I guess let me,

471
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: let me get on my la and wasn't there. Also

472
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: didn't Mariah reveal that she at one point had a

473
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: sort of like emo grunge moment that she like wrote

474
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: a whole kind of pop rock album. Yeah, you know,

475
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: everyone's everyone's had different eras. Madonna of Us is another one. Yeah,

476
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: Donna was the front runner. Who was the front woman

477
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: of a band. I'm trying to think of others. Well, Pink,

478
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Pink had that first album where she was black as well.

479
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: There was that. I mean, it's so good as well.

480
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: I was listening to that. Thank you, thank you so

481
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: much for bringing up Pink because we really needed to

482
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: invoke her on this podcast. We need to do a

483
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: Pink episode at some point. We absolutely do not need

484
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: to do a Pink episode. I don't think you need

485
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: to Pink episode. But my big theory is that stupid girls.

486
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember that song that's that's a turf anothing,

487
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: that's a turf anthem, that tour of anthem. You're so right.

488
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Pink has has rad found vibe. Yeah,

489
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: she's got radigal feminists like you know, I didn't you know,

490
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: women didn't fight for your right to wear heels and

491
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Panda to the male gaze. It's got that kind of

492
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: those teas. But I think I must be in the banks.

493
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: It's the kind of Kate Gosling Bank that's going to

494
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: be like the new era of turf Banks is actually

495
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: going to be the Pink Swoop. Yeah, grown out, a

496
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: bit pushed to the side. Yeah, she does. In fairness though,

497
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: the reason that I think Pink uh like has kind

498
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: of now managed to escape any anything like about her

499
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: turf song and her sort of like racially ambiguous problematic

500
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: eras that she hates both of them, where she hates

501
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: stupid girls and she's always hated it and she's always

502
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: hated that first album, so that you can't really be

503
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: like m your first album you Yeah, so much like podcasts,

504
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: Pink is Pink is uncancellable. M fran I do think

505
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: you hit on like some of the things that really

506
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: characterized Lana's early fame, and I think what people latched onto,

507
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: which was that she literally sounded like she was from

508
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: another era, and she also was like mashing the esthetics

509
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: of a bygone time with very like girl internet like

510
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: um soft grunge like she was. I don't know if

511
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: there's ever been an artist that was more perfect to

512
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: be tumbler famous like she just was what all the

513
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: girlies wanted to be. Um. I mean, Sean, like, what

514
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: did you what did you latch onto about her? I

515
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: think what I latched onto, Look, I was just thinking

516
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: obviously I just said Born to Die was my first

517
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: experience with her. But where I really feel like it

518
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: popped off for me in terms of my obsession with

519
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: her was Ride and the Ride monologue, because I don't know,

520
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: it was the kind of like campy but also deeply earnest,

521
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: like lines like you know, I was in the winter

522
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: of my life and the men I met along the

523
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: road were my only summer and at that time, I

524
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: think that was probably my peak grinder era of like

525
00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: pre transition. Trying to so I feel like Lana Delay

526
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: came aroung at the right time for me to self narrativize. Yeah,

527
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: like I guess a kind of certain self homy interest

528
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: in men. I mean, look, that will do it, honestly.

529
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: I Yeah, the monologue is so iconic. My friend Willie

530
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Norris has this incredible performance of it. I strongly recommend

531
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: if if anybody, if any of the Virgins, can find

532
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: like a video of it. Yeah, there's something about that

533
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: monologue and just about the extremely cinematic, which I think

534
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: is like I use that word all the time, but

535
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I think it's very befitting for Lona is that she

536
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: was writing songs as if they were movies, Like so

537
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: much of her aesthetic was entwined in Hollywood, and I

538
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: think that, you know, when you listen to her songs

539
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, this is less true of like the

540
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: first two albums, but like sometimes their songs kind of

541
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: blend together as this like backdrop or landscape for the

542
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: world that she lives in. And like, uh, yeah, but

543
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: that but that monologue just like painted a character that

544
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: we just like got to know more and more in

545
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: all of its problems and LORI you know, but it's

546
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: also ridiculous, isn't it. I remember, like around the first

547
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: album time, a friend of mine used to always joke

548
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: that Lana Darey's favorite book was the Wikipedia summary of Lolita,

549
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: which is kind of like true. Yeah, there's like something

550
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: about the fact that it's like, I don't know, the flickering,

551
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: the Americana of it all is like very like like

552
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, like slightly vacuous as well. Um, yeah, well,

553
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: it's like her her idea of America is like you

554
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: can find It's it's like what you can find for sale,

555
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: like at a gas station. You know. It's it's like

556
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: she is like cherry picking these very kind of like

557
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: superficial um images of what America is and kind of

558
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: working backwards from there and like trying to make them profound,

559
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: and it really works. Yeah, I think that they're I mean,

560
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: it is, there's a lot of it that is superficial.

561
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: But I also think that, you know, the gas station

562
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: girlie that she is. I can't even remember, there's an

563
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: unreleased song about her at a gas station or something,

564
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: and that really is her esthetic and that really is

565
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: actually I think, like a segment of California that exists,

566
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: and I think that like her weird conservatism and like

567
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: her complete like I don't give a fuckery about like

568
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: whatever she's doing. I think is that's a real culture,

569
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, like a thought a culture I want to

570
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: hang out with, but like that's a real culture, that's

571
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: like a real group of people I think in America

572
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: that I think she acutely identified. You know. I love

573
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: that we mentioned Lolita though, because like the first thing

574
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was when Azalea called her little what

575
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: you called her, like little Lolita Chola cosplay or something

576
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: like that. So well, they do it. They do have

577
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: epic beef. I mean, Lana and Azalia, I actually think

578
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: do kind of encapsulate two of the you know, different

579
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: sides of the tumbler girl aesthetic that that existed at

580
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: that time. And so of course, like they had to

581
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: have beef at some point. Yeah, that beef was so

582
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: specific to early Twitter days too. Oh yeah, it was it.

583
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: What was it? Lana said something like pull up? That

584
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: was her like pull up, but I wouldn't. Yeah, the

585
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: thing is is that I was just thinking about that

586
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: because I feel like a little bit I feel bad

587
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: that I've just said that, like on some level it

588
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: was a bit vacuous because at the same time, I

589
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: think like at that early stage around the first album,

590
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: and it's something that she's spoken about a lot, like

591
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: Lana got savaged by critics who basically didn't get it.

592
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: She felt that the music had been made poppier than

593
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: she was expecting. She's just said that in a covering

594
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: of view for Rolling Stone UK. She revisited that that

595
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: the album ended up poppier than she expected it and

596
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: then critics kind of didn't get her, and that there

597
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: was a lot to do with at the time, her esthetics,

598
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: the like suspicions that she'd had plastic surgery, the slightly

599
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: like retro styling. Was that it was around the time

600
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: where like Beyonce was about to drop her kind of

601
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: feminist album with Self, like everyone was becoming like it

602
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: was becoming popular to say you were a feminist in

603
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: pop culture, and she just seemed to be out of

604
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: step with the direction of travel. And I think she

605
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: has felt quite traumatized ever since by that response that

606
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: she had at least critics she is kind of a

607
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: woman out of time and like you're so right, and

608
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: that she was so misunderstood, And I think she has

609
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: carried that feeling with her throughout her career, sometimes to

610
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: her detriment, like with the question for the culture of

611
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: it all, but like, I mean, was there a more

612
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: unifying pop culture event than Lana on SNL? Like, I

613
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: don't know. That was one of the early memes, especially

614
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: on Tumblr, the little PNG gift of her twirling on everything.

615
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: It's so good. I mean sometimes it still comes up

616
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: on my Instagram feed and there's never a time I

617
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: won't stop and watch that. And there's like so much

618
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: you can do with the captions, and I think the like, also,

619
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: do you think that that, Like I feel like that

620
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: whole response, especially the way that like it was kind

621
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: of you brought up the question for the culture, but

622
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: the misogynistic element of her esthetic and the fact that

623
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: people male critics seemed obsessed with, you know, her appearance

624
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: and surgery and stuff like that. I feel like that's

625
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: that there's some there's some trends identification films that I

626
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: have absolutely, absolutely the thing about Lana is that she

627
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: is like she is a plinth upon which to project

628
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: like whatever your thing is, and so in that way,

629
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: to me, she is a very transfer Yeah, she is.

630
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know whether or not she's she's very

631
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: like I feel like white trends woman vibes as well,

632
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: because she's obviously just very white woman of being like

633
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: slightly affronted and kind of a little bit narcissistic in

634
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: the sense that she's really wronged by society, which is

635
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: kind of giving very specifically white trans woman. I can

636
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: think I can think of a few, yeah, And I

637
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: think in that like trans that this kind of like

638
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: this like trans reading like to me, I always talk

639
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: about it's so annoying, but like the bimbification of our

640
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: generation and how we're all just like everybody should be

641
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: a bimbo now, like Lana predated that, a lot of

642
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: pop stars predated that obviously, But you know, Sean, like

643
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: earlier you were talking about just um, you know, the

644
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: word vacuous and like you know whether you know using

645
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: that word to describe Lane. And I do think that,

646
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: especially in that SNL performance, vacuousness is the aesthetic like

647
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: and why can it? Why can't it? And I think

648
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: that like if Lana, if Lana word emerge in twenty

649
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: twenty three or whatever, I think it would have been.

650
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it would be there would be so

651
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: much different context. But like that we would be having

652
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: different conversations about her, right, Like we wouldn't we would

653
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: be like honoring and commending her vacuousness, which I think

654
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Tumbler did, do you know, Like we did love that

655
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: she was like distant and weird and awkward and empty. Well,

656
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: it also left a lot of room for people to

657
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: fill the gaps in and like make her deeper than

658
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: maybe she even meant to be until she actually started

659
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: meeting them there and like became kind of a very deep,

660
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: introspective person. Yeah, And I think like also like that

661
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: one are the aspects of the trans reading for me,

662
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: which is what I said earlier about the ride monologue,

663
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: but about that, like at that time, I was literally

664
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: just trying to like fit in with mostly gay men

665
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: that I was friends with at the time by on

666
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Grinder and stuff like that, So it was it was

667
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: a kind of appropriate, um, I don't know, accompaniment to that,

668
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: but with a specifically like trans feminine reading. I think

669
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: it's because there's a lot right from the beginning with

670
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Anna Delay about like um, like seeing yourself through how

671
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: men see you, and about this idea of like her

672
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: gaze being like projected into male gaze. I can is

673
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: it off to the races where she's like, he likes

674
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: to watch me in the glassroom, perfume kanyet lie, Like

675
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: whatever is that? Like it's her singing about a man

676
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: looking at her, So it's her gaze on a man

677
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: looking at her, which I think is very trans woman totally.

678
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I can only speak for myself, but in

679
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: the early years of my transition, like, um, male validation

680
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: was one of the things that validated my gender, Like

681
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: being called on the street. As awful as it was,

682
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: also like made me feel super cunty because I was like, Okay, well,

683
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: if they're you know, like, um, you know, yelling at me,

684
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: then at least that means they like think I'm a

685
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: woman and they want to fuck me, and that is

686
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: very langel Ray code that this would get me canceled

687
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: in the UK. No, I think I think that's true.

688
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think, I mean, I love that

689
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: you said in me because we like we're around the

690
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: same age biologically, and also we transitioned around the same time.

691
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, I love that she's saying in

692
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: my early transition because I was like, that was me

693
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: a month ago. Yeah, yeah, in my early transition. I

694
00:42:49,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: use men for validation. There was a really I can't

695
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: remember who looking for days. I remember a few years ago,

696
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: like a lesbian writer wrote specifically about how Lana del

697
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: Rey helped her understand like what her straight women friends

698
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: were talking about because she's so obsessed with, like I

699
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: don't know that, like the sort of inherent humiliations of

700
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: being a woman in heterosexuality in a way that I

701
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: think is like you don't really like she almost sings

702
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: about heterosexuality like she's an outsider to it because she

703
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: really sort of like it doesn't seem natural to her.

704
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: It's something that she is constantly analyzing. And like I said,

705
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: like when when everyone else in that time where the

706
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: early twenty tens were starting to become like yeah, feminism,

707
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: she was actually singing some pretty regressive things that clearly

708
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot I think now we could probably accept that

709
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: quite a lot of women still feel and struggle with

710
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: inviolation to men, and thank God for that we need it.

711
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: It's very motivating. M Yeah, I mean, I am but

712
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: a baby trans but like I feel like, you know,

713
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: there is this kind of like moment somewhere along the

714
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: way where you're like, oh, like I have like workshopped

715
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: and created like my femininity around like what men want,

716
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: and that's like embarrassing, you know. I think that there's

717
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: like a I think that there's like, you know, I

718
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: wonder if, like Lana, I feel like, you know, when

719
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about the different eras of Lana, I wonder

720
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: if Lana ever had this kind of realization where or

721
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: rather like, I'm not a Laana scholars, so I'm actually asking, like,

722
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: do you think that there was like a pivotal moment

723
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: where Lana was like, I'm a different artist now post

724
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: video games? She wanted to like take herself more seriously

725
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: and you know, release all these like slow ballads and

726
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: a new era of like deeper raw music or I

727
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I think she's always taken

728
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: herself very seriously. That I think that's kind of the

729
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: thing with Lana. I do believe that there was a

730
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: certain point where she decided to make music that interested

731
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: her and she didn't really care what anyone else thought

732
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: about it, And that actually, to me, is when she

733
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: started making her best music. Like I think probably Norman

734
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: fucking Rockwell is like her at her most introspective and

735
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's her best album and like

736
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: her creative peak in a lot of ways. I kind

737
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: of agree with Raise completely. It's my favorite of her albums,

738
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: and I do think it's her peak today, although I

739
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: think the New One has the potential too. I saw

740
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: a really good meme about the new one racing It's

741
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: not like thank you for saving my life meme where

742
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: and it was too. Do you know there's a ton

743
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: of on Derosion Boulevard and the album to Soundswering Batman

744
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm not even released yet. Yeah, yeah, it does. It

745
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: does feel like a return. I think tom music that

746
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: she hasn't been making for a little bit, um like

747
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: A and W and we we talked about this recently,

748
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: that ANW does feel a little spiritually closer to some

749
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: of her earlier work. Yeah, you know, I think Norman

750
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Fucking Rockwell is her best album. It's not my favorite

751
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: album just because Ultra Violence was so formative for me

752
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: and I spent so much time with it, and like

753
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: the summer that Ultra Violence came out, whenever I went

754
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: to someone's apartment, I would be like, turn on your

755
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: AC and turn on Ultra Violence, and not with just Well.

756
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: It was never not being listened to and it's fucking music.

757
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: Norman fucking wrote Well was a breakup album for me

758
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: after I had had like it was my biggest attempt

759
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: at assimilating into heterosexuality. It was just before the pandemic

760
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: and I had like a straight boyfriend and stuff like that,

761
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: and then in the end the irreconcilable differences of the

762
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: fact that he just basically wanted me to be like

763
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: his like cis girlfriend and like settled down and get

764
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: married and have kids, and I realized I couldn't do that,

765
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: so I left him, and then Norman fucking Rockwell came out,

766
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's it's such a mood as

767
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: a breakup album to be like a goddamn near sociopath

768
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: and like Sylvia, I mean, I was just I was

769
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: living and then we and then we went into like

770
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: Quarantine and I just listened to it all the time.

771
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: What a like that is? Like so like, I'm sorry

772
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: that you experienced that breakup, but you're so lucky that

773
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: Norman fucking rock or was it like that must have

774
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: felt so cathar Like you must have been wallowing and

775
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: laying around and so sad and like it's a dangerous

776
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: thing for a woman like me to have. But I

777
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: have it. But I have it, But I have it period.

778
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: She has had it. Um god, um wait, Rose, did

779
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: you ever have like a Lana breakup era or like

780
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: a Lana heartbreak era? I think, um, yeah, yeah, you're

781
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: like none that I want to talk about. Um, I

782
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: mean Lana For me, I do tend to visit Lana

783
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: more when I'm feeling slutty than when I'm feeling sad

784
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: or when I'm feeling like the perfect mix of both. Yeah,

785
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: just when I'm binary? What a binary? I'm I'm non binary,

786
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: I'm slutty, I'm sad often yeah same um yeah um.

787
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: We should also say for the Virgins unsure of when

788
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: this episode is coming out, but as of record, we

789
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: only have a n W out as her most recent release.

790
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: And like I also am excited for this era, Like

791
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: I do think it has the potential just from this

792
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: that one song to be something that is like greater

793
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: than Norman fucking Rockwell. And just as Rose said, like

794
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: her earlier era, there's something about n W that is

795
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: distinctly sound cloudy, you know what I mean, Like it

796
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: sounds like a little like grungy roddy. It sounds kind

797
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: of tinny at the end, like it sounds like it's

798
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, pumping through like a laptop speaker or something

799
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: like I really one of those old white MacBooks. Yeah,

800
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's coming out of that. It kind

801
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: of the end of it kind of gives unreleased Lizzy

802
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Grant track. Yeah, It's like I wasn't just a nice

803
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: seven minute like the sort of like egregious ego of

804
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: road dropping like a seven minute song. I just feel

805
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: like we haven't seen the like in years. I mean,

806
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: it's giving like I don't know, like a since since

807
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: I goistic, but it's a yeah, no I know, but

808
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: like I do, I do kind of miss you know.

809
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: I was just thinking the other day in when Gaga

810
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: would just release like insanely long music videos and then

811
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: like we all became white fatigued by it, and then

812
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: and then they went back to normal length. I think

813
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: it's just time for like stupidly long songs and maybe

814
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: even a return to long music videos. Well now, but

815
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: like absolutely well now that every song is like TikTok length,

816
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I think we really crave like longer songs that you know,

817
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: dare to defy the Spotify algorithm. You know, we talked

818
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: a lot about like Ethel Kaine and like when she

819
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: you're you know, her album, you know, mixed reviews, but

820
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people hated that Thoroughfare is nine minutes,

821
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: that all these songs are seven minutes or whatever. And

822
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: Ethel Caine has like cited Lana as like her favorite

823
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: artist of all time, and I just like, like why not,

824
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, like I personally, you know, seven to nine

825
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: minute songs are like a lot of them are usually

826
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: they feel like experiments, so they don't feel finished or

827
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: they like drag on. But like I would much rather

828
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: someone try to do it and dare to like experiment,

829
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: experiment or make something that's like kind of all the

830
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: way out there, you know. Ethelcaine. Ethel Caine who dated

831
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: Lana's bisexual porn star boyfriend. H yeah did you Yeah?

832
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: This guy has like bit has made the rounds with

833
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: the girls I wanted to do I want to do

834
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: it where it was his Instagram drop his ig So

835
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: he's so hot in the grossest way possible. Oh no,

836
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: does he look like super unemployable? Yes? Yeah, that is

837
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: my type two. Okay, we need we need the ig dropped?

838
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: Do you know I didn't. I didn't know. I was

839
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: listening to the eel Kan album all of last year.

840
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: I only found out she's trans like a month ago.

841
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: How did I miss that? You know? The trans pop

842
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: girlies are are, you know, coming in stealth? Like I

843
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: feel like when Kim Petris emerged on the scene, so

844
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: many of my friends had no idea she was trans.

845
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's amazing, you know, I think Ethel

846
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: it's not never something that she hid. The same thing

847
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: with Kim. It's like never something she hid. But it's like,

848
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's like just like a kind of thread

849
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: in the fabric of her life, I think. And I

850
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: can't wait for Lana to come out as trans f

851
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: to f trans woman. She kind of is. She is

852
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: like Liddy Grant is. Yeah, is before I was going

853
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: to actually just talk about that. It is. Also what

854
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: is funny is that Lana Delray has somewhat detransitioned in

855
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: terms of her femininity from this like heart like the

856
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: esthetic of the beginning, which obviously is to do as

857
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: well with the fact that she obviously was like horrifically

858
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: pressured to like lose loads of weight and so she's

859
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: become more I guess, more comfortable. But there's all this

860
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: discourse around the fact that her style is that she

861
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: just dresses like a regular person and that like this

862
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: like higher target. Yeah, so that like this highly kind

863
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: of um, I don't know, like manicured esthetic of the

864
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: first like album or two. It's clearly something that she

865
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: never really was that comfortable with. And I think it's

866
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: kind of great that she's like able able to just

867
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: dress like a normal now and yet and yet that esthetic,

868
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of your is kind of what her music

869
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: has bred in the people who listen to it. Like

870
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 1: I was, I have my sisters who are twenty, they're

871
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: visiting and they're staying with me, and I was mentioning

872
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: Lana Delray to them, and like they're super familiar with her.

873
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: They have friends who love her and listen to her,

874
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: but they're friends who love her. And I think a

875
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: lot of the girls who are still like very enamored

876
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: with her and the whole low leader vibe, like are

877
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: still like like seeing her as this pinnacle of like

878
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: a high of like an internet high fem persona, when

879
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: that like aesthetic is so completely divorced from who Laana

880
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: is irl, And it's just fascinating to me the way

881
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: that Laana has endured as this high fem Internet icon

882
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: for so long while not actually giving that so much

883
00:53:53,480 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: in her like literal aesthetic. I either we've just cut,

884
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: we haven't even bothered talking about Lust for Life, No

885
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: one does. Yeah, I mean for me, there are like Honeymoon.

886
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: Lust for Life and Honeymoon are my least favorite Lana offerings. Um,

887
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: they're the most skippable to me. Yeah, I concur I

888
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: mean I actually think as well. This is what's strange,

889
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: isn't it is that I feel like there are the

890
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: like albums with the capitol A and then the albums

891
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: with the kind of lowercase A, and so like for me,

892
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: the big Alblana albums are like Born to Die, Paradise Edition,

893
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: Ultra Violence, Norman Fucking rock Quell, And then now I've

894
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: sensed that it will be the case with did you

895
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: know there's a Tunnel under Ocean Boulevard? Because also with

896
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: chem Trails over the country Club and Blue Banisters. I mean,

897
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: I guess she was trying to do a little like

898
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: Miss Taylor Swift vibe of like dropping two albums in

899
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: the Pandemic that was so close together, but I just

900
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: felt like they, as I say, the Pandemic was so

901
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: overshadowed by my obsession with Norman fucking Rockwell that I

902
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: just feel like I do like chem Trails over the

903
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: Country club Work. I like the song, and I like

904
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: Jesus Tells a Freak and is so good. I think

905
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: it's one of her best songs. Yeah it is, But

906
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like the two albums and Blue Banisters

907
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: is really good, but it's just like I just feel

908
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: like they were too jam packed together and they weren't

909
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: given enough room to breathe. And I do think I

910
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: know that like Taylor Swift with Folklore and Evermore managed

911
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: to get away with that, but I do just think

912
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: in general, that's an section to the rule, and I

913
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: think I think like releasing like custers of albums like that,

914
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: especially probably in a time where I don't know, I

915
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: felt somewhat distracted and so soon after such a huge

916
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: landmark album like Norman fucking wrote, Well, they just I

917
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: feel have always been a bit like Tier two for

918
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: me in comparison. Yeah. Well, I mean, first of all,

919
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: Taylor did get away with Folklore and Evermore, but evermore

920
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: still kind of is folklore B sides. And I say

921
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: that as a big Taylor Swift fan, but I read

922
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: something interesting recently. So Lana has been doing a lot

923
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: of press around her new album, and she said that

924
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: her last couple albums have been much more personal and

925
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: like specifically about her family. And one thing she said

926
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: about Blue Banisters was that she made it because she

927
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: felt that she had to and she didn't really care

928
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: about so much about releasing it, and in fact, that's

929
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: why she did basically no promo for it and why

930
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: she made that like you know Microsoft paint cover that

931
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: we all joked about, and she said, I don't know,

932
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact quote, but she said something

933
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: like she wanted it to be there in case anyone

934
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: needed to go and like look it up and reference

935
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: it and kind of investigate her and have more context

936
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: for who she is as a person, and not really

937
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: that she needed to have this big moment of like

938
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: offering something to the world artistically. It's her finst Oh

939
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: my god, you're so right, Blue Banisters, and maybe like, okay,

940
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: here's here's what it is. Cam Trails is her close

941
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: friends and Blue Banisters is her finstuff. This is one.

942
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: This is just one for people that want a little

943
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: bit more context. Um, what what is your what's what

944
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: is your distinction between? Because do you think like a

945
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: Finster is like Close Friends is like here's stuff that

946
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to share that's I wouldn't put on Maine,

947
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: but like it's still if you screenshot it, my name

948
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: is still there. So it's got to be okay a

949
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: certain level. Whereas Finster is full mass. Yes, Finster is

950
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: Finster is like top secret. Um, Finster is like I mean,

951
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't even really use my Finster anymore. Um, very

952
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: miss Rose, bring it back. I used I used to

953
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: love your Finster. There was some I used to I've

954
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: gone back for it onto your Finster so many times,

955
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: every every time that I've been prescribed prep there you

956
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: had on your Finster like a girl with like a

957
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: little like tank top that said bare back Princess. And

958
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: I would go every time, screenshot it and then send

959
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: it to Gaze. I'm so glad that I'm glad that

960
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: it exists as a community resource well exactly like weibnisters. Yeah. Close,

961
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: I would say that Close Friends has more. I utilize

962
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: it more. Now is like farming for like opinions from

963
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: people that I actually know IRL or I guess, okay,

964
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: here's by close friends. I will only add to it

965
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: people who I actually know in real life or like

966
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: Internet friends that I feel comfortable sharing like a slightly

967
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: more personal level of my social media experience with. And

968
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: then Finster is like for the girls, and that's it.

969
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: Like I have to have actually like spent time with

970
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: you in real life and like be somewhat confident that

971
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: you would not share my personal information with someone. Well

972
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: what realistically for me with Finsters and with close friends,

973
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: I have to be convinced that you are mentally ill

974
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: like I am. Yes, actually to be the same kind

975
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: of like you know, atypical, you know, like I feel

976
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: like I feel like, um, there's a for me like

977
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: close friends. I hate it that it's called close friends

978
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: because it's not my close friends. No French. I use

979
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: it definitely as like a control almost like a controlled audience.

980
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: Like I don't really love posting things to like, you know,

981
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: thirty thousand people, fifty thousand people or whatever, and so

982
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: I think it's more like everyday like shit posting kind

983
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: of like embarrassing date thing that happened that I'll share

984
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: on close friends to a lot of people that I

985
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: maybe have not met but like I know are good

986
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: like Internet sisters, and then finstas like I'm posting my

987
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: completely unsharable like dank memes like and like also I

988
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: think I go there to like talk shit, because usually,

989
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: like I don't want stuff on close friends if it

990
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: can like travel, you know the I don't know if

991
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: either of you have done this, but I'm going to

992
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: confess it here. The most unwell use of my close

993
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: friends ever is when I've taken all of my actual

994
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: friends off close friends, put one person that I think

995
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: is hot, and then put like basically a semi news

996
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: that's diabolical Stan very Lana. I was going to ask, y'all,

997
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: so what is it about Norman fucking Rockwell? I mean,

998
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: I think lyrically, I mean like lyrically it is like stunning,

999
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: Like I mean the fact that like it just the

1000
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: opening like opening with goddamn Manchild, you fuck me so good.

1001
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: I thought I almost said, I love you, like what

1002
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: an opening to an album, But also like Mariner's Apartment

1003
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: Complex is like one of the I just think one

1004
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: of the most gorgeous songs that I can think of,

1005
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, of this century that's been written like um right,

1006
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: like it makes me want to cry. I was it like, um,

1007
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: you're lost at sea, our command your boat to me

1008
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: again if I misquoted that anyway, Like it's just pretely

1009
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: butchered that when I've been it's one of the most

1010
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: beautiful lyrics. But yeah, it's just I just think it's

1011
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: like lyrically, it's just gorgeous and it's sonically lush. It

1012
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: feels extremely vulnerable in a way that this artist, who

1013
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: I think started her career as being like a heightened

1014
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: like version of herself, like created this sort of persona.

1015
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: It feels very stripped back. It's very like my most

1016
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: personal album yet vibes, but like it actually was, and

1017
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: yet you can plug into it so easily. It really

1018
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: is some of the best things she's ever had to

1019
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: say about womanhood in like the Perfect Vehicle. Yeah, I

1020
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: mean from that, it's like everything on Norman fucking Rockwell too.

1021
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: This is the experience of being an American whore, Like

1022
01:02:54,680 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: there is just like holding hands they go together, I

1023
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: mean American. It's the experience of being an American horror.

1024
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: That line it's like such a like Lana del Rey

1025
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: algorithm generated like lyric and yet like as as so

1026
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: many are, and yet it works so well. Like and

1027
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, the aesthetic through line of Norman Ruckle is

1028
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: just perfect for her. It's like classic Americana to the

1029
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: point of like a kind of weird chooginess, like almost

1030
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: like a dystopian like happy nuclear family kind of thing

1031
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: that I don't know, it just it just worked so

1032
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: well when I when it was announced and when I

1033
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: was listening to it. It is a crystallization of everything

1034
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: she's ever done. I remember in like twenty twelve when

1035
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: she was first round. I remember my a really good

1036
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: friend of mine at the time saying they're not my

1037
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: friend anymore because of this. No they they said something like, oh,

1038
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: I really like how long could she keep basically this up,

1039
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: like this kind of nostalgic but this idea that she

1040
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: would be kind of like on one album Wonder And

1041
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: it always I always think of it about like, actually,

1042
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: how the longevity in her career and the idea that like,

1043
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: I guess it returns to my earlier point about how

1044
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: she was received, but this idea that it was a

1045
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: stick that was going to come to an end, when

1046
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: in fact she's really only kind of deepened it. There's

1047
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: been like full arcs within it where she's returned. But

1048
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: also like we haven't really mentioned Billy Eilish, but like

1049
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: the very fat that there are so many, there's so

1050
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: much Lana del Rey progeny now that like these artists

1051
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: raised Billy Eilish. You know, there would be no Billy

1052
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: Irelish without Lana del Ray, which Billy said in that

1053
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: interview magazine interview when she interviewed Lana, I didn't know that. Yeah, okay,

1054
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: question for the culture. Fuck Mary, kill Lana albums, Lana albums,

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Speaker 1: Lana Eras. Sorry, I'll sorry, Yeah, okay, you go, Mary

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Speaker 1: Norman fucking rock Well, fuck ultra violence kill lust for life. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I won't do this. I won't do the same as

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Speaker 1: you and Mary. I would. I would realistically, I would

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Speaker 1: marry Um Norman fucking rock Well too, But let's say

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Speaker 1: because I would maybe fuck Born to Die. I love

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Speaker 1: Born to Die. I love I love cocaine and old

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Speaker 1: cock as a kind of motif. Um not not not

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Speaker 1: literally anymore, but I I Yeah, so I feel like

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Speaker 1: I still find the kind of glamor, of Born to Die,

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Speaker 1: like it's often one that I will still put on

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Speaker 1: when I'm putting on my makeup. So I would probably

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Speaker 1: fuck that. I would probably I have to marry Norman

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Speaker 1: fucking rock Well. It was my breakup album, and then

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Speaker 1: I would kill Lust for life. Like I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't think. I don't think I've ever like

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Speaker 1: apart from when it like maybe the first month that

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Speaker 1: came out, I never returned to her. Yeah, doing us

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01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: duet with the Weekend is the kiss of death for me.

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Speaker 1: That makes me so sad. Well, do you know what

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Speaker 1: we haven't Also is that I actually secretly also love

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Speaker 1: This is quite trashy, maybe for like pure like pure

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Speaker 1: Lizzy grandstands is I still love her old covers like

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Speaker 1: she did for the Maleficent Disney Live action film. She

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Speaker 1: did the same upon a Dream. I still love that.

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Speaker 1: I love her cover of blue velvet, and I love

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Speaker 1: Young and Beauty, and I love Young and Beautiful for

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Speaker 1: the Great Gatsby film. They're all stunning. Yeah, especially the

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Speaker 1: full orchestra version is so gorgeous. Yeah, when I go

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Speaker 1: to heaven, was it like, please let me take my man.

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Speaker 1: The codependent tease. I love it. Um Okay, Fran we

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Speaker 1: need your fuck Mary Kill. It's it's that cinematic quality.

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Speaker 1: I think to her music that it's like she's perfect

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Speaker 1: actually for soundtracks in general. She needs to do more

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Speaker 1: soundtracks except for them the Charlie's Angels Charlie's Angels verse

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Speaker 1: on the Remember Okay, I would I'm cheating a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I would kill Kim Trails. Sorry. I would marry Dealer

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01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: from Blue Banisters specifically because that is a vibe that

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Speaker 1: I could listen to for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like there's so much about that song

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01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: that just like I connected with spirit. It's definitely probably

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Speaker 1: top five Lana songs for me, just because it came

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: I think the right time in my life or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And I think I would fuck like her SoundCloud tumbler era,

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Speaker 1: like I I'm thinking of. She has this song with

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Speaker 1: Asap Rocky called Ryden. I think that I was obsets

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Speaker 1: with in the first in my first year's moving to

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Speaker 1: New York. And I think that that song Pale Moonlight,

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01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: driving cars with boys dumb dumb, like that is like

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Speaker 1: the era that I want to like fuck forever. I

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Speaker 1: think Asap Rocky is so Hot in the National Anthem

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Speaker 1: music video Lana's videos, do you have a favorite Lana video?

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Speaker 1: Because you know those I think those are so like

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Speaker 1: so woven in with her music. Yeah, I mean, ride

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01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: is It's not my favorite song, but it probably is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite video. It's just because it, like

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Speaker 1: remarked it's now so it's so genuinely nostalgiic because it's

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Speaker 1: like ten years old, and it was such a specific

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Speaker 1: time where like we're like the gift and like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you get like the BuzzFeed breakdown of of it a well, honey,

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,480
Speaker 1: but Lana was keeping BuzzFeed's light build on, like fought catalog,

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01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: Like the girlies would not have had jobs if Lana

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: did not give them, you know, content to write about

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01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: her such a specific era of media like that, when

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Speaker 1: like Jezebel was kind of the apex of like feminist

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Speaker 1: journalism or whatever. This is what I was going to

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Speaker 1: say about the feminist of because I mentioned earlier about

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Speaker 1: how obviously like she was a like, Lana was criticized

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Speaker 1: a lot for the misogyny or the internalized misogyny rather

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Speaker 1: of her lyrics. At this time when as I say

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Speaker 1: it became popular for like more sort of mainstream female

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Speaker 1: pop artists to have to identify as feminists, whereast it

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: wasn't in the two thousands, really a cool thing to be.

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Speaker 1: And what I love is that I feel like I

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Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know whether or not, because she's

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Speaker 1: always had this sort of persecuted, I misunderstood thing. But

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01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: I feel my reading of it always is that Lana

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Speaker 1: went through a phase of trolling. She's always kind of

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: trolled media back. So there's some really like great headlines

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Speaker 1: that there was one where she was asked about feminism

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Speaker 1: and she was like, it really doesn't interest me at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm much more interested in Tesla and our intergalactic possibility

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Speaker 1: a taste, because you can't if you got it if

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Speaker 1: you're focusing on one. I just, I mean, I kind

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: of it's me when I get asked in press into

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: these here about about the Harry Potter lady. Can we

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Speaker 1: talk about our intercalactic possibilities? Not feminism? Yeah? That's such

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Speaker 1: a And the other good headline that she gave, which

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Speaker 1: was again it was a British interview, was The Guardian.

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Speaker 1: Here it's Lana del Rey Colon I wish I was

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01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: dead already love say, oh my god, she was so

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Speaker 1: real for that. I mean that of that, That's why

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Speaker 1: Dealer was so good. She's on there shrieking like I

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Speaker 1: don't want to live, and I'm like, yes, like or

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Speaker 1: of us these like you know lexapro bops Okay, like

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Speaker 1: did you know there's a tunnel under Ocean Boulevard? Fucked

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: me to death? Yes? Please now too dead. It's giving

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Speaker 1: show your virgivity or lack thereof. Next week we have

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Speaker 1: honestly like one of I think one of our best

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Speaker 1: episodes yet with special guest Frankie Grande, who we will

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