WEBVTT - Investigating Globemaster Down: Soviet Espionage and a Failed Nuclear Plot

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the way, and again, welcome to the first

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<v Speaker 2>time listener today's show. We're gonna be talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>book Globe Master down with the author Todd Robertson, who

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<v Speaker 2>has joined me.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're super cool bro. So heyng ty, I'm gonna read

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<v Speaker 2>your bio. Okay, so stand by, here we go. Todd

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<v Speaker 2>Robertson is a Politzer Prize winning journalist who has spent

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<v Speaker 2>over twenty five years as a foreign correspondent. He has

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<v Speaker 2>covered wars throughout Latin America, the Middle East, Afghanistan, and

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<v Speaker 2>has provided guests commentary for CNN, MSNBC, National Public Radio,

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<v Speaker 2>which is MPR Love, NPR, SKY News, Telemundo Love Telemundo.

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<v Speaker 2>Robertson holds a master's degree in arab studies from Georgetown

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<v Speaker 2>University and has won awards for investigative journalism and reporting

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<v Speaker 2>on international human smuggling rings. He has lived in Lebanon, Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>El Salvador, Panama, Columbia, and the United Kingdom, and speaks

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<v Speaker 2>Spanish and Arabic. All right, did I is that a

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<v Speaker 2>good way to introduce you?

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<v Speaker 4>You got it all? You got it all?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, shudkin. I think that's how you say thank

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<v Speaker 2>you at Arabic shukran, shukran. Hat's going all right, souk out? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, okay, and thank you very much, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the show, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for wanting to be on.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thrilled to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, well, I'm thrilled to have you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, here, let's go back to Todd the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen year old. Okay, let's just crack that open. What

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<v Speaker 2>was Todd the seventeen year old thinking about doing in

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<v Speaker 2>his life?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>By the time Todd reached seventeen, he had already been

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<v Speaker 5>through a number of hair raising incidents, including an encounter

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<v Speaker 5>at age five with a guy a group of guys

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<v Speaker 5>with bows and arrows who were threatening to shoot us

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<v Speaker 5>my brother and me at close range if we didn't

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<v Speaker 5>hand over I think some birds nests that we found

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<v Speaker 5>or something like that. I fell off the garage roof

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<v Speaker 5>at age seven onto solid concrete.

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<v Speaker 4>Spent some time in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 5>I was shot at when I was a freshman in

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<v Speaker 5>high school while riding my bicycle home from a friend's

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<v Speaker 5>house at night, and I took a short cut that

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<v Speaker 5>apparently somebody didn't want me to take. And let's see,

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<v Speaker 5>then I got lost in the mountains my junior year

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<v Speaker 5>of high school, in between my junior and senior year

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<v Speaker 5>of high school, and they had to launch a big

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<v Speaker 5>rescue operation in Colorado to find me and bring me back.

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<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, by.

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<v Speaker 5>Age seventeen, I clearly had a bent for adventure, and

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<v Speaker 5>I clearly was someone who was both interested in the

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<v Speaker 5>in the headlines and making headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>So the lost in the Colorado Mountains being lost, you

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<v Speaker 2>were literally lost though, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, in between Durango and Silverton.

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<v Speaker 5>I always knew where I was, but nobody else knew

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<v Speaker 5>where I was. And so I found my way back

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<v Speaker 5>to where I knew they would find me, and they

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<v Speaker 5>sent in a helicopter and found me.

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<v Speaker 2>How many days were you in the mounta It was

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<v Speaker 2>just a day, or just like did mom and dad say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>where's Todd?

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<v Speaker 4>It was two days?

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<v Speaker 3>Two days, two days?

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<v Speaker 4>I was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So there was a search and rescue expedition sent

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<v Speaker 2>out for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Mom and dad were like, where are you? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Launch launched by the sheriff in in Silverton, Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Silverton, Colorado Sheriff's Department. We appreciate your effort

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<v Speaker 2>and going into the backwoods and rescuing individuals who decide

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<v Speaker 2>to go out on their own. Yeah, at sixteen years

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<v Speaker 2>year old, seventeen years.

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<v Speaker 4>Old, kids don't do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Were you a boy scout at all? Did you ever

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<v Speaker 3>go through Scouts or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I was a boy scout, Yes, I didn't make it

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<v Speaker 5>to Actually I was a cub scout.

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<v Speaker 4>I never made it to boy Scouts.

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<v Speaker 5>My brother did, My oldest brother did, but I never

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<v Speaker 5>made it that far.

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<v Speaker 2>But you had some scouting, you know, Hey, this is

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<v Speaker 2>how we kind of get along. I get that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to put this young man in perspective. Here

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<v Speaker 2>for folks like you know, we've all gone off. I

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<v Speaker 2>go hiking in the mountains with my family wife. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>but for two days, how did you survive that? I

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<v Speaker 2>know that we have a book to talk about, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, how did you survive that two days?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>I I had no food, no water, and uh and

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<v Speaker 5>I was pretty delirious by the end of it all.

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<v Speaker 5>But luckily I had enough of my my mental faculties

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<v Speaker 5>to know that I needed to get to an open

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<v Speaker 5>place where the rescuers could find me. Uh And it

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<v Speaker 5>was very hard because I had badly injured my right

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<v Speaker 5>foot and uh and and so I kind of limped

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<v Speaker 5>over to where I knew.

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<v Speaker 4>My sister and brother.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh My my sister and her boyfriend at the time

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<v Speaker 5>were camping with me, and I I got separated from

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<v Speaker 5>them and uh uh and and yeah that's so.

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<v Speaker 4>So I just they they went out to get help.

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<v Speaker 5>And when I got back, they had left the campsite

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<v Speaker 5>exactly intact, believing that I would find my way back,

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<v Speaker 5>and sure enough I did, but they were gone by

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<v Speaker 5>the time I got there. And I actually I was

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<v Speaker 5>up very high on a mountain and saw them leaving

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<v Speaker 5>and I was shouting down to them, don't leave, don't leave,

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<v Speaker 5>and I couldn't get down in time because I had

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<v Speaker 5>hurt my foot.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>But the bottom line is I knew from that point

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<v Speaker 5>forward I was a survivor and I was an adventurer.

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<v Speaker 5>The very next summer went, I bought quality camping gear

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<v Speaker 5>and quality boots and went back and got back on

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<v Speaker 5>that horse and continued a life of adventure after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and that's the podcast, everybody. That is the harrowy

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<v Speaker 2>story that we were just here to crack today. I

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea that is amazing. First of all, I

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<v Speaker 2>can only imagine I would maybe cry a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>and realize, Okay, they just left me.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm all by myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably have a little emotional breakdown, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>had to group and'd be like, okay, it's me, me,

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<v Speaker 2>myself and I and get down. However, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>you were injured. Holy cow, that's really cool. So did that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man? I got so many questions off of this.

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<v Speaker 2>So Todd, when you are now senior in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>you've gone through this ordeal of being lost in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know everybody's come to their senses. Their mom

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<v Speaker 2>and dad aren't mad anymore at your sister, okay, or

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<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend, and not at you, and everybody's all happy.

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<v Speaker 2>What took you to, you know? Being like the resume

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<v Speaker 2>that I just read to you. You know, it says you're

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<v Speaker 2>a prize a political prize winning journalist, you spent over

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years or fourth correspondent. What took you into

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<v Speaker 2>that path of the foreign correspondent?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? And how old were you when that happened?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I was involved in journalism in high school.

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<v Speaker 5>I was the sports editor of the high school yearbook.

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<v Speaker 5>And I had known since third grade that I was

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<v Speaker 5>a good writer. My my third grade teacher, Miss Bittner,

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<v Speaker 5>held up an essay that I wrote and read it

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<v Speaker 5>out to the class and said, this is an example

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<v Speaker 5>of excellent writing. And and ever since then I knew

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<v Speaker 5>that I could write well. Got into college and didn't

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<v Speaker 5>really know what to do with my life. I was

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<v Speaker 5>going to the University of Texas, and back then you

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<v Speaker 5>didn't declare a major until the end of your sophomore year.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went in to see a counselor not really

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<v Speaker 5>sure what to do, and he said, well, what do

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<v Speaker 5>you think you want to do And I said, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, be an English major, and he goes, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 5>let's talk about job prospects for English majors. There's not

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<v Speaker 5>really a lot you can do with an English degree.

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<v Speaker 5>And at the time, you know, it was the Woodward

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<v Speaker 5>and Bernstein era. Watergate was hot in the news. And

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<v Speaker 5>he said, you know you're a writer. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 5>try journalism? And I said, I don't know, and he goes, well,

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<v Speaker 5>I got to tell you you're already listed as a

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<v Speaker 5>journalism major. Maybe it's a computer glitch or something, but

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<v Speaker 5>that's what your major has already set on my files.

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<v Speaker 5>And he said, just give it a try. Take journalism

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<v Speaker 5>one O one and see how you do. And it

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<v Speaker 5>instantly clicked. And so the professor again, you know, held

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<v Speaker 5>out my work as the best in the class. And

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<v Speaker 5>that summer I decided to go up and to love

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<v Speaker 5>at Texas and hang out with my brother.

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<v Speaker 4>We roofed houses for the summer, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Then we came home one day and there was a

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<v Speaker 5>fire at one of the fraternities at Texas Tech fraternity

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<v Speaker 5>houses and so I just grabbed a notepad and a

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<v Speaker 5>pencil and walked over there, fresh with my grimy clothes

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<v Speaker 5>from roofing houses in one hundred and seven degree heat,

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<v Speaker 5>and I interviewed the fire chief, looked around the ruins

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<v Speaker 5>of the fire, walked into the school newspaper and said,

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<v Speaker 5>did you have anybody covering this?

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<v Speaker 4>And they said no one.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, well, I can write a story and they

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<v Speaker 5>said yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So I sat down on the.

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<v Speaker 5>Spot, wrote a story for them, and then landed a

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<v Speaker 5>job on the university newspaper and just decided I would

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<v Speaker 5>stay at Texas Tech.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just came then, I riding that wave.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, and I within within eight months I had

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<v Speaker 5>won national, state, and regional awards in journalism top awards,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I knew I was in the right place.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. And so you've just been trucking along in journalism. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you've been all over the world covering all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of different types of conflicts, and you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything that just you know, other than Globe Maaster Down,

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<v Speaker 2>which we're going to talk about, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is your book.

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<v Speaker 2>Go check it out if you really want to know

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<v Speaker 2>what we're going to talk about. It is Globe Maastered Down. Okay, right, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But I just want to know. Was there anything that

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<v Speaker 2>just really stood out to you that you covered that

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, you know, I can't believe I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>covering this situation.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that might be the topic for yet another interview.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, yes, I know.

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<v Speaker 5>I covered El Salvador Lebanon, the Afghan War, Israel, Palestine.

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<v Speaker 5>I spent gobs of time covering the Iran Iraq War.

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<v Speaker 5>I was the last Washington Post correspondent in Iraq before

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<v Speaker 5>the bombs started falling in nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can tell you I'll list some of the

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<v Speaker 4>highlights for you.

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<v Speaker 5>El Salvador the Salvador and military invaded a little town

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<v Speaker 5>called Arkatau to capture me along with a photographer and

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<v Speaker 5>a BBC correspondent. They invaded and I've got a recording

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<v Speaker 5>of the bullets hitting the mud hut where we were hitting.

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<v Speaker 5>We were hiding. They captured us, took us back for interrogation,

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<v Speaker 5>and then took our notes, film and recordings, went back

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<v Speaker 5>and killed four people in the village who had talked

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<v Speaker 5>to us.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was El Salvador Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 5>I was kidnapped by Hesbelah back when nobody who knew who.

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<v Speaker 3>Hesbola was right, right, right right.

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<v Speaker 5>And uh and and uh I escaped. It was a

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<v Speaker 5>very short, uh little experience, like I said, this is

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<v Speaker 5>the stuff for maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Another Yeah, no, I love it. Oh my gosh, it's

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<v Speaker 3>real stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And and so there was that, and then UH, let's

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<v Speaker 5>see uh Panama, I caught a fugitive from the United

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<v Speaker 5>States who had built a bunch of people out of

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<v Speaker 5>a bunch of money, and UH.

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<v Speaker 4>Wrote a story about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>The US extra died him the very next day, and

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<v Speaker 5>then he sued me for one billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>There billion dollars and then and then uh Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Just a few months after nine to eleven, I was

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<v Speaker 5>hanging out with a guy who was posing as a

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<v Speaker 5>special operator and a guy named Jonathan Keith Edema, otherwise

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<v Speaker 5>known as Jack and a lot of your listeners who

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<v Speaker 5>have experienced in Afghanistan might very well have heard of him.

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<v Speaker 5>And we got into a discussion about someone I knew

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<v Speaker 5>in El Salvador that he knew, and I was talking

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<v Speaker 5>about going out and interviewing the FMLN in El Salvador

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<v Speaker 5>and then getting captured and and he said he said

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<v Speaker 5>something to the effect of, well, if I ever find

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<v Speaker 5>out that you're out interviewing the Tala Bonner al kaieda,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna I'm gonna kill you, and I interrupted him

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<v Speaker 5>to make a clarification on something, and the next thing

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<v Speaker 5>I knew, boom, he had pulled out a gun from

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<v Speaker 5>his ankle holster and shot me, and the bullet went

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<v Speaker 5>that far from my shoulder, in through a couch and

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<v Speaker 5>into the wall behind me. I realized he was upset

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<v Speaker 5>that I had interrupted him, so I sat forward and

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<v Speaker 5>with a totally straight face, trying not to show that

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<v Speaker 5>my heart was beating so hard it was going to

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<v Speaker 5>pop out of my chest, and I said, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 5>I interrupted you. And there was another a real special

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<v Speaker 5>operator in the room who said, that was the coolest thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You ever saw.

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<v Speaker 5>So so what I would say for your for your listeners, though,

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<v Speaker 5>is we probably all have something in common. There is

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<v Speaker 5>there are certain people who when they experience high levels

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<v Speaker 5>of pressure and danger, their alert system comes into play

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<v Speaker 5>and they they actually do the opposite of panic. They

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<v Speaker 5>focus really well. And I feel like I've got that ability.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't panic in under any of these situations, kept calm,

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<v Speaker 5>stayed organized, stayed focused, and that's how I survived to

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<v Speaker 5>be able to do this interview today.

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<v Speaker 2>I see a new shirt, stay Calm, organized and focused. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it, the stay calm shirt or carry on organized

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<v Speaker 2>and focused, stay organized and focus.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me write that down organized.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great organized and focused like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>do right now for the rest of this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Stayed organized and focused. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, thank you for bringing me into that world of

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<v Speaker 2>your past just for a little bit and giving us

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<v Speaker 2>a glimpse of what you've been involved with. Now, let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's transition into globe master down. Okay, and if I

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<v Speaker 2>could just kind of surmise or you know, just get

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<v Speaker 2>a small little zee summarize. Yes, it's uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft carrying people with you know, an atomic bomb of

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<v Speaker 2>sorts on it that went down, and it's in you know.

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<v Speaker 3>The World War two era, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Almost?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, please please?

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<v Speaker 5>So what happened was this is post World War two,

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<v Speaker 5>the Cold War is beginning, and the United States recognizes

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<v Speaker 5>that Russia has not demobilized from World War Two. All

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<v Speaker 5>the other belligerents in World War Two had either been

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<v Speaker 5>defeated or were rapidly drawing down their forces, bringing their

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<v Speaker 5>troops home. They people just wanted to enjoy normal life,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, husbands and brothers and fathers wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>get back to their families. So the United States was

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<v Speaker 5>pulling troops out of Europe, Britain was pulling its troops

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<v Speaker 5>back home, and they were doing troop assessments of Soviet

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<v Speaker 5>forces and realized they still had more than a million

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<v Speaker 5>troops on the front lines between western and Eastern Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>They were not demobilizing in any way, and so the

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<v Speaker 5>commanders began doing assessments of, well, what happens next if

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<v Speaker 5>the Communists decided that they're going to take over Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>So they began doing these these very serious assessments of it,

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<v Speaker 5>and the more they assessed it, the more convinced they

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<v Speaker 5>were that in fact, Stalin had every intention of moving

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<v Speaker 5>into Europe and possibly going as far as taking over Britain.

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<v Speaker 5>And so they began holding a series of meetings to

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<v Speaker 5>discuss how to respond to this, how to prepare for this.

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<v Speaker 5>And so they knew that they needed to get US

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<v Speaker 5>atomic forces into Britain. They just didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 5>do it because nobody, none of the leaders in Europe

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<v Speaker 5>was as the world saw the images from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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<v Speaker 5>They knew that no European nation would openly, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>publicly say yes, United States, bring in your atomic weapons.

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<v Speaker 5>That's exactly what we need. It just wasn't going to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>It was politically unpalatable. So they began looking at other

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<v Speaker 5>ways of deploying, and they realized that the easiest method,

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<v Speaker 5>which was just to load atomic bombs into B twenty

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<v Speaker 5>nine's in the United States and flying them over to

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<v Speaker 5>attack the Soviets, was not viable because if the Soviets

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<v Speaker 5>actually invaded en mass with a million troops, they were

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<v Speaker 5>going to have already swept across the continent before the

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<v Speaker 5>US planes were in the air.

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<v Speaker 4>And they also assessed that.

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<v Speaker 5>We can drop five ten atomic bombs on them, and

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<v Speaker 5>that's still not going to stop them. They can survive that,

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<v Speaker 5>and they will continue to hold ground and they will

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<v Speaker 5>be harder to uproot than.

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<v Speaker 4>It was to get Hitler out.

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<v Speaker 5>So they knew that they needed to come up with

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<v Speaker 5>another plan, and they came up with a secret plan,

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<v Speaker 5>a top secret plan, to put US atomic forces in Britain.

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<v Speaker 5>And so the Strategic Air Command, which was commanded by

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<v Speaker 5>a General Curtis LeMay began drawing up plans to do this,

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<v Speaker 5>and so they they formalized the plans and then named

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<v Speaker 5>a commander named Paul T. Cullen to open up the

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<v Speaker 5>first strategic Air Command base in Britain. But it was

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<v Speaker 5>still not officially announced that this would be an atomic

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<v Speaker 5>air base.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just going to be a strategic Air command base.

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<v Speaker 5>The only problem was the strategic Air comp and didn't

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<v Speaker 5>do anything else other than deliver atomic bombs, and so,

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<v Speaker 5>uh it was pretty apparent what the mission was. This plane,

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<v Speaker 5>Globe Master uh OF is which is a C one

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<v Speaker 5>four a triple decker plane, a cargo plane. It was

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<v Speaker 5>the largest plane in existence at the time, uh and

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<v Speaker 5>and the tail number was four nine two four four.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>They loaded it up with fifty three crew members as

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<v Speaker 5>well as atomic attack specialists and including the general who's gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Cut yeah, Brigadier right, and they they they.

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<v Speaker 5>They engaged in a number of flights domestically before they

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<v Speaker 5>took off over the Atlantic. And their cargo consisted of

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<v Speaker 5>two KB twenty nine fuel tanks which would enable be

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<v Speaker 5>twenty nine to refuel in the air, plus a cargo

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<v Speaker 5>that weighed ten thousand three hundred and ninety five pounds.

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<v Speaker 5>A fat Man bomb or the fat Man bomb that

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<v Speaker 5>they dropped on Nagasaki weighed ten thousand, three hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 5>so there was only a ninety five pound difference between

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<v Speaker 5>that cargo and the cargo was the weight of the

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<v Speaker 5>cargo was in addition to those KB twenty nine tanks.

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<v Speaker 5>So so this book examines what that cargo might have

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<v Speaker 5>been and what the mission was, and so we can

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<v Speaker 5>get into that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm here in Utah, that's where I live, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have Windover, which is the airbase just out here,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a huge pivotal, you know, role in all

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 2>of this, I have to say, with dropping on the

0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.119
<v Speaker 2>first bomb, the second bomb, you know on Japan, the

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<v Speaker 2>Doolittle raid. There's a road out here the desert that

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<v Speaker 2>we go and do wargames on dool Little Road. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kind of bringing this into you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, this is that same timeframe, and so Bro,

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<v Speaker 2>the funny thing is is I own a building just

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<v Speaker 2>outside Hill Air Force Base. Okay, it's a ten thousand

0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 2>square foot warehouse. I have a I do wargames in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's literally across the street from the base, and

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.440
<v Speaker 2>where my parking lot was was where they kept the

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<v Speaker 2>B twenty nine's and the city I'm in needed a road,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, okay, hey, we'll back the fence line

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<v Speaker 2>up for the base and give the city a road

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 2>so they can incorporate themselves as a city and give

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>this road. And so I'm literally right there where that

0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 2>took place. The people that would fly on those planes

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<v Speaker 2>would get a paycheck. They would come into my shop

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 2>at the time and cash those paychecks because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a grocery store. The shop I bought was the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty four grocery store outside the base.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel a whole lot of like doo little

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 2>guys have come through that facility looking for something to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>There's I have the columns in my shop like a

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<v Speaker 2>store for ales, you know, and it's just like they're so.

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 3>And then and then of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course having having the wind Over, you know, segment of

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 2>it right out ninety miles ninety minutes away from us.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been there several times, just just for.

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<v Speaker 5>Your listener's enjoyment. Uh and and and information. Windover plays

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 5>a key role in the early part of this book.

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<v Speaker 5>Because that's where UH Colonel Paul Tibbet's and and the

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<v Speaker 5>five oh ninth uh uh UH, the five oh ninth

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<v Speaker 5>UH composite wing UH trained UH with with dummy batman

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<v Speaker 5>bombs to to UH to perform the nuclear attacks on

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<v Speaker 5>Hiroshima and Nagasaki. My wife's grandfather trained there and lived there,

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<v Speaker 5>and my wife's father lived.

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<v Speaker 4>At wind Windover in those early days. Oh wow, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>And and so this UH that plays into the entire

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 4>story that.

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 5>And it is it unfolds in Globe Master down in

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 5>the early part, and it connects to everything that happened afterwards.

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 5>But Doolittle plays a role in it. Tibbets plays a

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 5>role in it. My wife's grandfather was on the Globe Master,

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 5>so I didn't get to finish the actual what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>The Globe Master made it two thirds of the way

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 5>across the Atlantic, and then, without any radio communication or

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 5>any indication of any problem, took a sharp right turn,

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 5>went three hundred miles due south way off course, and

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 5>ditched in the middle of the Atlantic. The all fifty

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 5>three on board disappeared, the cargo disappeared, and the plane.

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 5>The only contents of the plane were a few splintered

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 5>wooden pieces from the cargo deck and a briefcase from

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 5>one of the passengers. It contained some magazine and some

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 5>other stuff. And that's all they found of the entire mission.

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 5>And it wasn't until twenty sixteen when the United States

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 5>publicly aired some current concerns that it had existed for

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 5>a long time. Was that A this was an act

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 5>of sabotage, and b they believed the Soviets might have

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 5>had a role in it, because they believed that the

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 5>Soviets had ships and submarines in the very area where

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 5>the plane went down.

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 3>There.

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, Todd, the three hundred miles

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>off course, where would that kind of put them with

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>their lost this lost broken arrow?

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 3>Really? Yes?

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if yes, it would have put them about six

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifty miles south west of the coast of Ireland.

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow. Wow, And I know that.

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 2>Researching our conversation just a little bit prior to us,

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.159
<v Speaker 2>I found out there was a few broken arrows that

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the government well knowledge, Like in Fayeville, North Carolina, there's

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 2>some type of a broken arrow, and then there's another

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 2>one that's lost, and there's one like Georgia.

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, and then there's there's one off the coast

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 5>of Spain, and and there This is a little little

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 5>known fact, but the United States has listed broken arrows

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 5>that were recovered. What they will not tell you is

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 5>the number and location of the broken arrows that were

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 5>never recovered. And writing this book was particularly difficult because

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 5>there are thousands of pages of top secret documents that

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 5>have not been declassified and I could not access them,

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 5>and and I set off alarm bells when I asked

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 5>for them, because I was told by an archivist at

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 5>the National Archives, if.

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 4>If an atomic weapon has been.

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 5>Lost and has not been recovered, the documents related to

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 5>that cannot be released. And that was because I posed

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 5>a question to her, and I said, I'm not hanging

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 5>up until I get an answer to this. After seventy

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 5>five years, you there's something still so secret that you

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:19.159
<v Speaker 5>can't release it.

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 4>And she said correct, and then she explained it.

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 3>That's just mind blows.

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get top secret, I get secret, secret,

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>super secret, Okay, squirrel secret, oss secret, you know, Winston

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Churchill secret.

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>I get all the secrets, right, I get it. I

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 3>get it.

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>But bro like plutonium just out there, you know, you know, yeah,

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>I've seen movies in the eighties about platonium. Okay, come

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 2>on now, bro, that's plutonium out there, and I guess

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 2>it's good to keep that a secret from our adversary

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>so that they can't you know, where are we trying

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>to recover it from or anything like that, and so

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>they can get it because everybody wants a little platonium.

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 2>We all see back to the future. Come on now, yes,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 2>platonium doc what so so okay, So for my listener,

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a broken arrow. I kind of just threw that out there.

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>It's where we've lost a nuclear or atomic bomb.

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 2>That's specifically like a broken arrow, is that it's a

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>broken arrow somewhere.

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 3>It's got to be recovered.

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 2>It's been stolen, it's been whatever the case lost crashed

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and see am I hitting that right?

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 5>Now, the in this case, I tried to put the

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 5>pieces of the puzzle together, and there are some missing

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 5>pieces of the puzzle because they're in those classified documents

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 5>that they will not release. But I've you know, established

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 5>the weight of the cargo. I've established the nature of

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 5>the mission. I've established what was going on in terms

0:29:55.760 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 5>of training operations involving fat Man dummy bombs over Europe

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 5>at the exact moment this plane was in the air.

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 5>And so the question is would the United States regard

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 5>a fat man that didn't contain a nuclear core as

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 5>an atomic weapon? And the answer is yes, they did.

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 5>In fact, there were number of cases before and after

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 5>this where the US lost fat Man bombs without the

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 5>nuclear core, and they listed that as a broken arrow incident,

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 5>a lost atomic bomb. So by the US government's own definition,

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 5>this was this could have been a lost bomb. But

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 5>I don't call it a broken arrow in the book

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 5>just because those missing pieces in it. I'm a journalist

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 5>and I can't say something is true and I don't

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 5>don't have confirmation of it.

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I love that, and I love you for being that

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of journalist. Okay, I aspire to you and the

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Christina Amipor's and all of that out there. That's I

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>appreciate the honesty and integrity that you bring to your journalism,

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and we just need to know that that exists. And

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and I just want you to know I'm also of

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 2>that saying I want to be of that same cloth

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>as you. Now, it seems to me that this mission,

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 2>this globe mastered down situation that they were trying to,

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, get over to England and you know, be prepared,

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>was maybe, you know, compromised from the get go.

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 3>It was like, you know, it just doesn't seem like

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 3>what do you think of that?

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, so why was it compromised from the get go?

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 5>There were a number of possibilities as well as one

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 5>absolute certainty. And I'll do the possibilities first, because the

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 5>absolute certainty is bizarre. So the possibilities are that the

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 5>entire Manhattan Project had already been infiltrated by Soviet spies.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 5>Klaud Fuchs just one of several who were feeding information

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 5>directly to Joseph Stalin. And so when Harry Truman pulled

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 5>Stalin aside to tell him the United States was about

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 5>to launch a big attack on Japan to end the war,

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 5>and he told Stalin it was an atomic bomb, Stalin

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 5>didn't react. This is according to Truman's own memoirs. Stalin

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 5>didn't react. He just went, oh, that's nice, and then

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 5>he just moved on because Stalin already knew and so

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 5>US nuclear the most secret aspect of the entire war,

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 5>had already been compromised. And Stalin seemed to make it

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 5>his mission in life to show the United States, no

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 5>matter what you do, I can infiltrate you and get

0:32:56.160 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 5>your secrets, so don't try it. And uh so there

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 5>was as as I unfolded the book, there was a

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 5>good reason to believe that that, uh, that this mission

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 5>and and the conversations that Curtis la May was having

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 5>at the time with his commanders about Europe had already

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.959
<v Speaker 5>been compromised. In fact, Curtis Lamay and his memoirs uh

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 5>raised the possibility that they had already been infiltrated, and

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 5>he was he was cracking down. But those were early

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 5>in the days. I mean when when he established his

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 5>Strategic Air Command. Uh his base as well as wind

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 5>Over didn't even have fences around them, right, so you know,

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 5>so so they needed.

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 3>To out on the salt flats.

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>They're like, we're in the middle of the salt flats exactly,

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>We're in the middle of nowhere. Don't need to Yeah,

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>this is desolate, it's air. There's no fresh water day,

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 2>it's all saltwater. If you dig down, and it's like, yes, okay,

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>we didn't need a fence, We're our own fence.

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 5>So they put in fences. You know around the time

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:04.719
<v Speaker 5>that the Globe Master took off. But but so they

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 5>were already worried about security. And when the Globe Master

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 5>took off, there were a number of documents that that

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, I was able to get a hold of

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 5>where the pilots and crew of of all these aircraft

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.799
<v Speaker 5>were being warned ahead of time. You know, there there

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 5>are enemy forces out there, and they could attempt at

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 5>any time to sabotage, to shoot you down, to to

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 5>divert you, to capture you. And these are the procedures

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 5>that you must undertake if this happens. So they were

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 5>already aware that the enemy, the Soviets, were highly capable

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 5>of intervening in this this as well as other operations

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 5>that were going on at the time. They had demonstrated

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 5>it by shooting down privateer spyplanes that were supposedly, you know,

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 5>collecting weather data off the coast of Scandin and they

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 5>shot them down and captured their crew. And and uh

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 5>so this was you know, for for all they they

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 5>call it a cold war, it was getting to the

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 5>point of being a hot war. And on top of

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 5>this you have Korea and and uh so, so the

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 5>le Maay and and the other commanders were absolutely convinced

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 5>that Korea was designed by the Soviets as a diversionary tactic.

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:31.720
<v Speaker 5>That it was the idea was to suck US forces

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 5>into Asia so that he then had an open door

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 5>to go into Europe.

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 4>And so that was part of the urgency.

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 5>Le May felt to get the atomic weaponry and and

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 5>attack forces into Europe ahead of time. So then we

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 5>get to the real security compromise here, which was that

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 5>the commander Uh that I mentioned.

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Thank you dude. I was just gonna think, like, you know, oh,

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 3>we'll catch you, trap you. Oh, I know how you

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 3>can catch and trap a guy.

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 5>So Brigadier General Paul Tuh Right after, right after Hiroshima

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 5>and Nagasaki, the United States launched up Operation Crossroads to

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 5>UH test nuclear weapons over the Marshall Islands, Bikinia toll And.

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 5>During that operation, which my wife's grandfather was a part of,

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:38.240
<v Speaker 5>he was operations commander for that Operations Officer uh Cullen

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 5>was there and he met a Red Cross girl who

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 5>was on the scene at the time named Reva Joy

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 5>Hurwitz and and they fell in love. They had an affair,

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 5>and everybody knew about it and uh, And the affair

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 5>continued after Operation Crossroads. And what Cullen apparently didn't tell

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.760
<v Speaker 5>anybody at the time is that he was already married

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 5>and had been married for sixteen years, and his wife

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 5>was back in Washington waiting for him, and Cullin snuck

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 5>away with Reaver Hurwitz to Mexico and I got a

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 5>copy of their marriage for Mexico and they got married,

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 5>which meant that Cullen was at Yeah.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, sorry, it's in my head. He's a big

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a miss Yeah, sorry, polygamist.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 5>So absolutely under military law, military law at the time

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 5>as well as military law today as well as civilian law,

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 5>that was a prosecutable criminal offense, and he he should

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 5>have rightfully been drummed out in the military, but they

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 5>didn't do any background checks on him, and so they

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 5>didn't know even though there were people in his circle

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 5>of commanders who knew that something strange was going on

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 5>with him, they didn't do the necessary background check. And that,

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, anybody who's been in the military knows, you know,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 5>the enemy when when they're looking to gain intelligence, they

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 5>look for vulnerabilities, and this was a blatant vulnerability, a

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 5>because you know, they could blackmail him. B All they

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 5>had to do was was find out you know the

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 5>Bridge club these women were hanging out at, or you

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 5>know where they were shot exactly, yes, and just strike

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 5>up a conversation.

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Hey, you know anything going on?

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 5>And they both knew about the plan to deploy these

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 5>atomic forces over to Britain. In fact, they've been told

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 5>pack your stuff, we're moving to Britain and so.

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:46.320
<v Speaker 3>So. So it was.

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 5>It was a major security breach and and it went

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 5>undetected for years afterwards. Well no, I should should not

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 5>say that went undetected until the plane went down and then.

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 4>Both wives I've sought survivor.

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 5>Benefits and that's how it was exposed that he was

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 5>married to women at the same time.

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Bro Mickey and Maud. Dude, He's just like, uh, what

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 3>do I do? Well, yeah, he got read sparrowed.

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's a real term, but there's

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.759
<v Speaker 2>a movie about it where you know, they trained the

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>women in Russia to come over to get what they

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 2>need from the guys. We might be seeing it today

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 2>in our current society. You know, you just never know,

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.800
<v Speaker 2>You just never know. So uh yeah, because the power

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 2>of a woman is awesome. Yes, and the guy really

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>wants to have some of that power of that woman.

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>And you know, especially been gone for some desolate place

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and now all of a sudden you meet somebody and

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 2>you can't send a text to your wife in DC.

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Back then, there's no hey babe, how you doing? You know,

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 3>how can we talk?

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>No, It's like, let me write you a letter, my

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>dearest Cynthia today, the day is the day, you know, that's.

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 3>How you're writing a letter.

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>It gets there two weeks later, so it's like, you know,

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 2>nobody's really fact checking him like we can't today. You know,

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 2>it's like a media fact check, Facebook, Instagram, you know,

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>all these different social medias. Here you are here, Here,

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 2>you are here. Reen cameras caught you walking across the

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 2>front lawn, you know.

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, back then there was nothing like that.

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 2>No, no, wow, wow. So we might have the reason why,

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 2>but we're not sure. But in your book you get

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 2>into all of this and it really dives in too.

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>You know how this mission seems compromised just from the

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>get go in my opinion, you know, from a perspective,

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>here it's psyches and where did I mean if they

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 2>found a briefcase okay, and there were some things in it,

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 2>but they never found the plane.

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 5>No, never found the plane, nor the contents nor there

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 5>and and there were survivors.

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 4>They were spotted by multiple.

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 5>Rescue planes in the hours following the ditching, which which

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 5>A indicates if the plane ditches, then it hadn't been

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 5>disabled in the air. Because to be able to ditch

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 5>a c one, like I said, a triple deck or

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 5>plane on open water.

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 4>Took considerable talent.

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 5>But to be able to survive that means it had

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 5>to have been a relatively smooth landing for them to

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 5>be able to then get the doors open and escape.

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 3>As if they were landing right.

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>They came into the approach as if, okay, we're gonna

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 2>have to land on the water exactly as best we

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>can and try to set.

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 5>It and get the hell out of there as fast

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 5>as you can. And so that there were survivors. They

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 5>were spotted from the air. The survivors disappeared. Now now

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 5>the existed that the existing orders at the time were

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:54.439
<v Speaker 5>if if you're on a secret mission and you you're

0:41:55.600 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 5>you're you have in your possession sensitive material that the

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 5>enemy might try to capture, you are obligated to blow

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:08.800
<v Speaker 5>it up, and they they the very orders at the

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 5>time told them you must blow it up by by

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 5>whatever means necessary to destroy it. And and so there's

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.799
<v Speaker 5>a possibility that they sank their own plane to keep

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 5>it away. If they knew that the Soviets were in

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 5>the area, then then they destroyed it. It's also possible

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 5>the plane just would totally broke up on landing and

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 5>they just narrowly escaped.

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 4>And it disappeared under the water.

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 2>But if you think about modern today landing on a water,

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 2>like when solely the pilot that landed the plane in

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>the Hudson River, Okay, he was able to land that

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 2>plane without a breaking up and everybody was on the

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>wings like kind of waiting for.

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Salvation to come and rescue them, you know.

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 2>So it seems like if you have a talented pilot

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 2>that and a navigator or whatnot, and you can land

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>that plane into the water. Now mind you it might

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 2>be sea. It's the seas, so there's high seas. You know,

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>there's like, you know, who knows what the waves are

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>doing when they hit. But I mean, it is possible

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to land the plane to get out, like you said,

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>open the doors and get out. But did anybody ever

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.800
<v Speaker 2>get recovered? Can you tell me about that or do

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 2>we need to read the door.

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Nothing was really hick. Nothing was recovered, But I do

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 4>recommend reading the book.

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I agree, I agree, I agree. Don't tell

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:27.360
<v Speaker 3>me more, tell me all of it.

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.280
<v Speaker 4>No, nothing was recovered.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 5>And what's interesting is, you know on the flight manifest,

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 5>this one hundred, this ten thousand, three hundred and ninety

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 5>five pounds of cargo consisted of engine parts and you know,

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 5>assorted items, plus some medical equipment that included eight thousand

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 5>surgical sponges. Eight thousand surgical sponges sponges, which I write

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 5>in the book is like eight thousand rubber duckies. They

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:58.840
<v Speaker 5>should have floated, They should have floated straight to the

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 5>surface because they're highly boand and yet not one was found,

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 5>not one.

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Of those sponges that would be like just sitting there,

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>like you found a briefcase.

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a briefcase. There was some wood that

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 3>was floating. Okay.

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 5>So what the book makes very clear, based on actual documents,

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 5>is that they were fledging flight manifests left and right

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 5>during this time because what they were actually doing was

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 5>flying nuclear components and atomic attack specialists over to Europe,

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.840
<v Speaker 5>and they did not want a record of what was

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 5>actually being flown over there, and so they were making

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 5>up cargo manifests and putting them into the record. So

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 5>in all likelihood, this cargo manifest was bogus.

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was just a facade. Yeah.

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 5>And so again in this whole question of the KB

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 5>twenty nine, because some of the wooden wreckage that was

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 5>recovered was of those KB twenty nine fuel tanks that

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 5>were aboard, and that's key to this whole thing, because

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 5>the KB twenty nine, if you're trying to hide a

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 5>fat Man bomb, the KB twenty nine was designed to

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 5>fit into the expanded cargo hold of a B twenty

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:21.959
<v Speaker 5>nine that at the time was called a silver plate

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 5>B twenty nine. The cargo hold itself was top secret

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 5>because that was a modified B twenty nine that was

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 5>made specifically to load a fat Man bomb, and so

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 5>they had to make the car the bombay door much

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 5>bigger than normal, and so the KB twenty nine was

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 5>meant to fit through that exact same bombay, except it

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 5>was slightly larger than fat Man, meaning you could fit

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 5>a fat Man inside a KB twenty nine. If your

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 5>whole goal was to fly it over to Britain and

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 5>unload it from this cargo plane, without all the British

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 5>eyes on you seeing what you're unloading, it would just

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:10.399
<v Speaker 5>look like a fuel take exactly exactly. And so uh

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 5>so there there was good reason to believe they were

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 5>using this to disguise the actual cargo because there they

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 5>knew there were there were enemy eyes all over the

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 5>place in Britain that that was documented, and so so

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 5>they knew they.

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 2>To me the year again, tell me the year that

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 2>this is transforting.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 3>To the year again.

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.399
<v Speaker 4>This is nineteen fifty one, nineteen fifty one.

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 5>In fact, last week last week, March twenty third, actually

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 5>this week March yeah, yeah, yeah, we're March yeah, was

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 5>the exact seventy fifth anniversary of the time going down.

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Seventy fifth anniversary.

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, good timing, okay, Because you have this book, okay,

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Globe Bastard down, all right, and I mean that I

0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:57.800
<v Speaker 2>want everyone to go check it out and and and

0:46:57.880 --> 0:46:59.439
<v Speaker 2>again let me just kind of like pitch your book

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. If you go and buy the book

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.319
<v Speaker 2>glob Master down online at any of these retailers leave

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>a comment for the author down below, you know, like

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:08.919
<v Speaker 2>leave a comment where you bought the book. It really

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>goes a long way. And also rate the book on

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the place and the platform that you purchased it. Whether

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 2>you buy you know, Todd's book, or you go and

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.280
<v Speaker 2>buy another book. It's always nice to leave the authors

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a review. And I just want to encourage you, my listener,

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:23.880
<v Speaker 2>to do that. Right, even if it's just one of

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 2>you out there that goes and buys this book, leave

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 2>them a review for it, okay, because it matters a lot.

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm sure supporting local is always going

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 2>to be what I say. First, go to your local

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 2>mom and pop book shops that have been around and

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, stood the test of time to continue to

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>have books on the shelf so we can go in

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and just touch them and hold them and open them.

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 3>And read them.

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.879
<v Speaker 2>And then that goes and helps them keep themselves open.

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>So buy local first. Otherwise, just buy it wherever you

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.359
<v Speaker 2>can download it. And I want you to read this book.

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Globe Master down the Soviets, man, I mean really, there's

0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:58.160
<v Speaker 2>like so much is going on, Dolittle the wind Over.

0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I just was I just wanted to bring up wind

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>over to you, because I'm here. I go to it

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 2>all the time. I see Windover all we go out.

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>So you got a couple casinos out there now. And

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I tell my wife, you know, and friends when I

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:09.840
<v Speaker 2>go out there.

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, this is only here because of the military, right, Like,

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 3>what do you mean.

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, that water tower up on the peak

0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>over there, that's probably just installed by the military. Everything here,

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.759
<v Speaker 2>this whole town, this whole community here is because of

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:23.919
<v Speaker 2>that runway. And when you're traveling on I eighty, which

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:27.640
<v Speaker 2>is the freeway that goes between California New York. You're

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 2>on I eighty going west or east, you can look

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 2>over to the south and you can see the runway

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 2>out in the salt flats. You can see the whole thing.

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I've been there for air shows. I've seen Harrier jets

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:39.759
<v Speaker 2>take off. I've you know, they film movies out there.

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Con Air was filmed out there with Nicholas Cage. They

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 2>did oh this last one, Fallout, the TV series Fallout.

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 2>They use the Windover airfield, but today they're actually what's

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the word when you take something and you refurbish it,

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like the bomb loading doors or something like that

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>they're like this this pit right here that we're standing

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 2>in is being re refurbished.

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like the most important little pitch.

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 4>And so it's is what it is.

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, And so our local news here Fox thirteen

0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 2>has gone out and done a story on that just yesterday,

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's probably because it's the seventy fifth anniversary. I mean, no,

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 2>they're just talking about Windover, I think, and the airfield

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 2>and its significance in the military's might because.

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 3>It was a secret air base. Yeah, it wasn't supposed

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:29.279
<v Speaker 3>to be known about. It was supposed to be a

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 3>secret airbase.

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:31.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean they were running to do little rate from

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Hill Air Force Base two Windover and back and forth,

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>and then they'd come into my shop and buy some

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 2>bread and some candy and go back to bed, you know.

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 3>And so that's the invisible strings.

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.320
<v Speaker 2>My wife always talks about invisible strings out there, you know,

0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and how this stuff all pulls together. And that's so wild, dude.

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 2>And then your grand your wife's grandfather. I mean, there's

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 2>just so many invisible strings right here, and you're awesome.

0:49:54.840 --> 0:50:02.879
<v Speaker 2>That's another invisible string. Holy canoli, dude, Holy cow. Well

0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of Glowmaster down. That's all I gotta say.

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 5>That's kind of kind of how I got into the

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:14.279
<v Speaker 5>book is is my father in law from age ten, uh,

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, didn't have a father, and and this flight

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 5>took place over the Easter weekend and and apparently his father,

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:27.799
<v Speaker 5>just before he got on the plane, popped an Easter

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 5>card to the family in the mail and then got

0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.359
<v Speaker 5>on the plane and took off. So they get news

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 5>that the plane has disappeared, and they get news there

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:42.239
<v Speaker 5>were no survivors, and then this letter arrives, this Easter

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:46.479
<v Speaker 5>card arrives saying Jim, have a have a happy Easter,

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 5>I love you, et cetera. And he went through his

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:52.879
<v Speaker 5>life believing his father was still alive, because well, I've

0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 5>got this letter, you know, he must still be alive.

0:50:55.920 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 5>And and so you know, he spent deck aids kind

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.720
<v Speaker 5>of obsessed with this, but never able to fully explain

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:08.880
<v Speaker 5>what happened. They know that the Air Force lied to

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 5>them about how the plane disappeared and what happened.

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 3>And so.

0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:22.600
<v Speaker 5>Several years ago a group of other surviving family members

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:28.240
<v Speaker 5>began collecting whatever documents they could and exchanging them because

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 5>the Internet enabled them to do that. And he collected

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 5>all this stuff and then he started showing it to me,

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.960
<v Speaker 5>and he just he didn't know what to do with it,

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 5>and so I gathered it and then I did my

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 5>own research, took a trip to Washington, and spent three

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 5>days at the National Archives or Library of Congress, i

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 5>should say.

0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:54.080
<v Speaker 4>And that's how this book came about.

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 2>You're just trying to give some closure to the situation

0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 2>and find out the actual truth to give them, And

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 2>that's very cool of you to do so, and use

0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>your skill set that you have and your your thoughts

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 2>to try to bring some closure and you were able

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 2>to put it into a book.

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Now, so now you have Globe Master down right.

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:14.360
<v Speaker 2>I just can't help us say it because now the

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.799
<v Speaker 2>C five is an aircraft in the Air Force which

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>is called the Globe Master, right, or is that the

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 2>C seventeen. No, the C seventeen is the Globe Master.

0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>The C five is a galaxy. So they gave the

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:28.680
<v Speaker 2>C seventeen the Globe Master nickname. Yeah, that's the I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm putting together, right, because yes, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because I just had a C seventeen Globe Master pilot

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<v Speaker 2>on yesterday and they're.

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<v Speaker 4>Just massive, massive planes.

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<v Speaker 3>Huge.

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<v Speaker 5>The Globe Master is huge. It doesn't fly anymore, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>just absolutely huge. And the wings the wings were hollowed

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<v Speaker 5>out so that that crew members in flight could could

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<v Speaker 5>crawl through these tubes in the wings to access the engines,

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<v Speaker 5>and the pilot would shut down engine number three, and

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<v Speaker 5>then the remember, we'll go in and change the spark

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<v Speaker 5>plugs on the engine and then get out of there

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<v Speaker 5>and then crank up the engine again. And they became

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:11.239
<v Speaker 5>adept at doing this kind of stuff, engine maintenance in

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<v Speaker 5>the air.

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<v Speaker 3>That guy, whoever that guy was, that's not me. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>six five.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm crawling into the wing maybe

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<v Speaker 2>if it was bigger than No, the guy that's crawling

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<v Speaker 2>into that wing, you know, it's like someone five to five,

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 2>someone five four two five two get in there and

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<v Speaker 2>go bend your wrist and change the sprocket.

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<v Speaker 3>The spark plugs. Man, Holy cow, wow, holy cal well.

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<v Speaker 2>First, I want to say rest in peace to the

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:41.600
<v Speaker 2>souls that were lost on that aircraft. Okay, as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm smiling and talking about this in history, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing that affects obviously family, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to, like, I want to set a

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<v Speaker 2>tone of like, you know, respect for them, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>just put that out there for everybody that lost their lives.

0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 3>That's a sad thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you've obviously in a war conflict area and

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 2>war as hell, and you've seen that you've been chased

0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 2>yourself by people who just wanted the truth to be stopped,

0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, chased, cannapped, the whole nine yards. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>props to you for your diligence in continuing on with

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<v Speaker 2>just giving facts and straight truth about your your journalistic experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to say thank you for doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just want to kind of say to your family,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sorry for your loss. And you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad you guys got that Easter card and that's a

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 2>very sweet thing to have had come home. And that's

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of how I feel about it. So aside from

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 2>all the laughing and joking and like, oh the espionage

0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 2>and everything and all of the suspense, these were people's

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 2>lives that are gone that you know, you are one

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<v Speaker 2>of the fifty threes relatives trying to figure it out.

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 3>There's other relatives who just were.

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<v Speaker 2>Just told and they just had to take it on

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<v Speaker 2>the chin, like, oh, it's a training accident quote unquot.

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 2>You know it's like, that was not a training accident.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was a Green Beret. When you talking about

0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 2>training accident, I know there's more to this, or my

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 2>dad was a pilot or whatever the case is. You know,

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, wow, and thank you for coming on

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<v Speaker 2>to software up and sharing that with us here on

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.439
<v Speaker 2>my podcast. I'm really honored to have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to do it invisible strings of a pulitzer prise.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So listen, I just want to say thank you. I've

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>had you for an hour. I'm sure my listener is like, no,

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 2>there's more, rad and there is.

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.279
<v Speaker 3>There's so much more. But it's in the book Globe.

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<v Speaker 2>Master down and you can go find that anywhere, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>at the airport, hopefully anywhere that it's going to be at.

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<v Speaker 2>Get it, buy it, leave a comment on the review

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<v Speaker 2>for it, and you know, just share the book with

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<v Speaker 2>a friend.

0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 3>Even there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just put it out there for you. I think

0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:52.720
<v Speaker 2>that you should just have a really cool Everybody should

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:54.399
<v Speaker 2>just go buy your book. That's what I want to say.

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.359
<v Speaker 2>If I can make that happen. There's my magic wand

0:55:57.360 --> 0:55:59.879
<v Speaker 2>actually it's a pencil. It's the David Letterman theory.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome.

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 2>See if you have a pencil, it's like I'm taking notes,

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<v Speaker 2>you see, And honestly, honestly, I am taking notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Four nine zero two four four you see. Yeah, I

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:14.240
<v Speaker 3>got that. That's a tail number of that plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, organize and focus, Organize and focus play number you

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 2>see I do. I want you to know and you matter,

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and thank you for everything and to your family and

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>everybody that supports you.

0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Just don't get don't get lost in the woods. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I will just wind this down like I just

0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.879
<v Speaker 2>have and say thank you again to Todd robertson his book.

0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 3>Is Globe Master down. Go check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully it becomes some type of a TV show or

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<v Speaker 2>a Netflix series or something that we can actually like

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<v Speaker 2>watch and and you know and also see it that

0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:52.640
<v Speaker 2>way in that adaptation.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 2>So if there's anybody knocking on your door, I hope

0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 2>so if not, and you're listening to this to knock

0:56:58.080 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 2>on his door.

0:56:58.840 --> 0:56:59.120
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:01.759
<v Speaker 2>So with that said, I want to say thanks to

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Ann I think who arranged us to meet. This is

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 2>our first time ever having a conversation. And I want

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 2>to show people that you can have a polite conversation

0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 2>with a stranger in today's society and not be at

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 2>each other's throats about ideals. You can seriously talk it

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:18.600
<v Speaker 2>out and just have a nice conversation. And I hope

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that you listen to this and realize that you can

0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.080
<v Speaker 2>have a nice conversation with someone a stranger. Just meet

0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.360
<v Speaker 2>them and say hi, say hello. If someone's looking at you,

0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 2>say hi, watch what they say back. Maybe they'll say

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 2>hi too. Okay, don't be like, oh, you're looking at me?

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 3>What what?

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, that's just my own soapbox, and talk about spread

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 2>some kindness out there. It's infectious and it just goes

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 2>a long way. And on behalf of Todd Robertson who

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 2>joined us today on his busy schedule, on.

0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Behalf of his book Globe Master Down.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go check that out, And on behalf of Soft

0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Rep and Brandon Webb my guy in the background, and

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Callum my producer, and logan and everybody that's always Rubik's

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 2>cubing us to have this great platform.

0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for your hard work, and that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just want to say thank you again to Todd for

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:04.640
<v Speaker 2>being on the show and to everybody that helped put

0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:04.920
<v Speaker 2>you here.

0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 3>And this is rad saying peace.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been listening to your self, Red Ladio