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Speaker 2: book Globe Master down with the author Todd Robertson, who
Speaker 2: has joined me.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: You're super cool bro. So heyng ty, I'm gonna read
Speaker 2: your bio. Okay, so stand by, here we go. Todd
Speaker 2: Robertson is a Politzer Prize winning journalist who has spent
Speaker 2: over twenty five years as a foreign correspondent. He has
Speaker 2: covered wars throughout Latin America, the Middle East, Afghanistan, and
Speaker 2: has provided guests commentary for CNN, MSNBC, National Public Radio,
Speaker 2: which is MPR Love, NPR, SKY News, Telemundo Love Telemundo.
Speaker 2: Robertson holds a master's degree in arab studies from Georgetown
Speaker 2: University and has won awards for investigative journalism and reporting
Speaker 2: on international human smuggling rings. He has lived in Lebanon, Mexico,
Speaker 2: El Salvador, Panama, Columbia, and the United Kingdom, and speaks
Speaker 2: Spanish and Arabic. All right, did I is that a
Speaker 2: good way to introduce you?
Speaker 4: You got it all? You got it all?
Speaker 2: Oh well, shudkin. I think that's how you say thank
Speaker 2: you at Arabic shukran, shukran. Hat's going all right, souk out? Well,
Speaker 2: thank you, okay, and thank you very much, and welcome
Speaker 2: to the show, dude.
Speaker 3: Thanks for wanting to be on.
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to be here.
Speaker 3: Here, well, I'm thrilled to have you.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, here, let's go back to Todd the
Speaker 2: seventeen year old. Okay, let's just crack that open. What
Speaker 2: was Todd the seventeen year old thinking about doing in
Speaker 2: his life?
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: By the time Todd reached seventeen, he had already been
Speaker 5: through a number of hair raising incidents, including an encounter
Speaker 5: at age five with a guy a group of guys
Speaker 5: with bows and arrows who were threatening to shoot us
Speaker 5: my brother and me at close range if we didn't
Speaker 5: hand over I think some birds nests that we found
Speaker 5: or something like that. I fell off the garage roof
Speaker 5: at age seven onto solid concrete.
Speaker 4: Spent some time in the hospital.
Speaker 5: I was shot at when I was a freshman in
Speaker 5: high school while riding my bicycle home from a friend's
Speaker 5: house at night, and I took a short cut that
Speaker 5: apparently somebody didn't want me to take. And let's see,
Speaker 5: then I got lost in the mountains my junior year
Speaker 5: of high school, in between my junior and senior year
Speaker 5: of high school, and they had to launch a big
Speaker 5: rescue operation in Colorado to find me and bring me back.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, by.
Speaker 5: Age seventeen, I clearly had a bent for adventure, and
Speaker 5: I clearly was someone who was both interested in the
Speaker 5: in the headlines and making headlines.
Speaker 2: So the lost in the Colorado Mountains being lost, you
Speaker 2: were literally lost though, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, in between Durango and Silverton.
Speaker 5: I always knew where I was, but nobody else knew
Speaker 5: where I was. And so I found my way back
Speaker 5: to where I knew they would find me, and they
Speaker 5: sent in a helicopter and found me.
Speaker 2: How many days were you in the mounta It was
Speaker 2: just a day, or just like did mom and dad say, hey,
Speaker 2: where's Todd?
Speaker 4: It was two days?
Speaker 3: Two days, two days?
Speaker 4: I was gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was a search and rescue expedition sent
Speaker 2: out for you.
Speaker 3: Mom and dad were like, where are you? Yeah.
Speaker 5: Launch launched by the sheriff in in Silverton, Colorado.
Speaker 2: Thank you Silverton, Colorado Sheriff's Department. We appreciate your effort
Speaker 2: and going into the backwoods and rescuing individuals who decide
Speaker 2: to go out on their own. Yeah, at sixteen years
Speaker 2: year old, seventeen years.
Speaker 4: Old, kids don't do this.
Speaker 3: Were you a boy scout at all? Did you ever
Speaker 3: go through Scouts or anything like that.
Speaker 5: I was a boy scout, Yes, I didn't make it
Speaker 5: to Actually I was a cub scout.
Speaker 4: I never made it to boy Scouts.
Speaker 5: My brother did, My oldest brother did, but I never
Speaker 5: made it that far.
Speaker 2: But you had some scouting, you know, Hey, this is
Speaker 2: how we kind of get along. I get that. I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to put this young man in perspective. Here
Speaker 2: for folks like you know, we've all gone off. I
Speaker 2: go hiking in the mountains with my family wife. It's like,
Speaker 2: but for two days, how did you survive that? I
Speaker 2: know that we have a book to talk about, but
Speaker 2: I'm curious, how did you survive that two days?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I I had no food, no water, and uh and
Speaker 5: I was pretty delirious by the end of it all.
Speaker 5: But luckily I had enough of my my mental faculties
Speaker 5: to know that I needed to get to an open
Speaker 5: place where the rescuers could find me. Uh And it
Speaker 5: was very hard because I had badly injured my right
Speaker 5: foot and uh and and so I kind of limped
Speaker 5: over to where I knew.
Speaker 4: My sister and brother.
Speaker 5: Uh My my sister and her boyfriend at the time
Speaker 5: were camping with me, and I I got separated from
Speaker 5: them and uh uh and and yeah that's so.
Speaker 4: So I just they they went out to get help.
Speaker 5: And when I got back, they had left the campsite
Speaker 5: exactly intact, believing that I would find my way back,
Speaker 5: and sure enough I did, but they were gone by
Speaker 5: the time I got there. And I actually I was
Speaker 5: up very high on a mountain and saw them leaving
Speaker 5: and I was shouting down to them, don't leave, don't leave,
Speaker 5: and I couldn't get down in time because I had
Speaker 5: hurt my foot.
Speaker 4: So that's what happened.
Speaker 5: But the bottom line is I knew from that point
Speaker 5: forward I was a survivor and I was an adventurer.
Speaker 5: The very next summer went, I bought quality camping gear
Speaker 5: and quality boots and went back and got back on
Speaker 5: that horse and continued a life of adventure after that.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that's the podcast, everybody. That is the harrowy
Speaker 2: story that we were just here to crack today. I
Speaker 2: had no idea that is amazing. First of all, I
Speaker 2: can only imagine I would maybe cry a little bit
Speaker 2: and realize, Okay, they just left me.
Speaker 3: Now I'm all by myself.
Speaker 2: I probably have a little emotional breakdown, and then I
Speaker 2: had to group and'd be like, okay, it's me, me,
Speaker 2: myself and I and get down. However, like you said,
Speaker 2: you were injured. Holy cow, that's really cool. So did that?
Speaker 3: Oh man? I got so many questions off of this.
Speaker 2: So Todd, when you are now senior in high school,
Speaker 2: you've gone through this ordeal of being lost in the woods,
Speaker 2: and you know everybody's come to their senses. Their mom
Speaker 2: and dad aren't mad anymore at your sister, okay, or
Speaker 2: her boyfriend, and not at you, and everybody's all happy.
Speaker 2: What took you to, you know? Being like the resume
Speaker 2: that I just read to you. You know, it says you're
Speaker 2: a prize a political prize winning journalist, you spent over
Speaker 2: twenty five years or fourth correspondent. What took you into
Speaker 2: that path of the foreign correspondent?
Speaker 3: You know? And how old were you when that happened?
Speaker 4: Well, I was involved in journalism in high school.
Speaker 5: I was the sports editor of the high school yearbook.
Speaker 5: And I had known since third grade that I was
Speaker 5: a good writer. My my third grade teacher, Miss Bittner,
Speaker 5: held up an essay that I wrote and read it
Speaker 5: out to the class and said, this is an example
Speaker 5: of excellent writing. And and ever since then I knew
Speaker 5: that I could write well. Got into college and didn't
Speaker 5: really know what to do with my life. I was
Speaker 5: going to the University of Texas, and back then you
Speaker 5: didn't declare a major until the end of your sophomore year.
Speaker 5: So I went in to see a counselor not really
Speaker 5: sure what to do, and he said, well, what do
Speaker 5: you think you want to do And I said, I
Speaker 5: don't know, be an English major, and he goes, yeah, well,
Speaker 5: let's talk about job prospects for English majors. There's not
Speaker 5: really a lot you can do with an English degree.
Speaker 5: And at the time, you know, it was the Woodward
Speaker 5: and Bernstein era. Watergate was hot in the news. And
Speaker 5: he said, you know you're a writer. Why don't you
Speaker 5: try journalism? And I said, I don't know, and he goes, well,
Speaker 5: I got to tell you you're already listed as a
Speaker 5: journalism major. Maybe it's a computer glitch or something, but
Speaker 5: that's what your major has already set on my files.
Speaker 5: And he said, just give it a try. Take journalism
Speaker 5: one O one and see how you do. And it
Speaker 5: instantly clicked. And so the professor again, you know, held
Speaker 5: out my work as the best in the class. And
Speaker 5: that summer I decided to go up and to love
Speaker 5: at Texas and hang out with my brother.
Speaker 4: We roofed houses for the summer, and.
Speaker 5: Then we came home one day and there was a
Speaker 5: fire at one of the fraternities at Texas Tech fraternity
Speaker 5: houses and so I just grabbed a notepad and a
Speaker 5: pencil and walked over there, fresh with my grimy clothes
Speaker 5: from roofing houses in one hundred and seven degree heat,
Speaker 5: and I interviewed the fire chief, looked around the ruins
Speaker 5: of the fire, walked into the school newspaper and said,
Speaker 5: did you have anybody covering this?
Speaker 4: And they said no one.
Speaker 5: I said, well, I can write a story and they
Speaker 5: said yes.
Speaker 4: So I sat down on the.
Speaker 5: Spot, wrote a story for them, and then landed a
Speaker 5: job on the university newspaper and just decided I would
Speaker 5: stay at Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: So I just came then, I riding that wave.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and I within within eight months I had
Speaker 5: won national, state, and regional awards in journalism top awards,
Speaker 5: and so I knew I was in the right place.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. And so you've just been trucking along in journalism. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you've been all over the world covering all
Speaker 2: sorts of different types of conflicts, and you know, is
Speaker 2: there anything that just you know, other than Globe Maaster Down,
Speaker 2: which we're going to talk about, which.
Speaker 3: Is your book.
Speaker 2: Go check it out if you really want to know
Speaker 2: what we're going to talk about. It is Globe Maastered Down. Okay, right, okay,
Speaker 2: But I just want to know. Was there anything that
Speaker 2: just really stood out to you that you covered that
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, I can't believe I'm actually
Speaker 2: covering this situation.
Speaker 5: That's that might be the topic for yet another interview.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, yes, I know.
Speaker 5: I covered El Salvador Lebanon, the Afghan War, Israel, Palestine.
Speaker 5: I spent gobs of time covering the Iran Iraq War.
Speaker 5: I was the last Washington Post correspondent in Iraq before
Speaker 5: the bombs started falling in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4: And I can tell you I'll list some of the
Speaker 4: highlights for you.
Speaker 5: El Salvador the Salvador and military invaded a little town
Speaker 5: called Arkatau to capture me along with a photographer and
Speaker 5: a BBC correspondent. They invaded and I've got a recording
Speaker 5: of the bullets hitting the mud hut where we were hitting.
Speaker 5: We were hiding. They captured us, took us back for interrogation,
Speaker 5: and then took our notes, film and recordings, went back
Speaker 5: and killed four people in the village who had talked
Speaker 5: to us.
Speaker 4: So that was El Salvador Lebanon.
Speaker 5: I was kidnapped by Hesbelah back when nobody who knew who.
Speaker 3: Hesbola was right, right, right right.
Speaker 5: And uh and and uh I escaped. It was a
Speaker 5: very short, uh little experience, like I said, this is
Speaker 5: the stuff for maybe.
Speaker 3: Another Yeah, no, I love it. Oh my gosh, it's
Speaker 3: real stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And and so there was that, and then UH, let's
Speaker 5: see uh Panama, I caught a fugitive from the United
Speaker 5: States who had built a bunch of people out of
Speaker 5: a bunch of money, and UH.
Speaker 4: Wrote a story about it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: The US extra died him the very next day, and
Speaker 5: then he sued me for one billion dollars.
Speaker 2: There billion dollars and then and then uh Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: Just a few months after nine to eleven, I was
Speaker 5: hanging out with a guy who was posing as a
Speaker 5: special operator and a guy named Jonathan Keith Edema, otherwise
Speaker 5: known as Jack and a lot of your listeners who
Speaker 5: have experienced in Afghanistan might very well have heard of him.
Speaker 5: And we got into a discussion about someone I knew
Speaker 5: in El Salvador that he knew, and I was talking
Speaker 5: about going out and interviewing the FMLN in El Salvador
Speaker 5: and then getting captured and and he said he said
Speaker 5: something to the effect of, well, if I ever find
Speaker 5: out that you're out interviewing the Tala Bonner al kaieda,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna kill you, and I interrupted him
Speaker 5: to make a clarification on something, and the next thing
Speaker 5: I knew, boom, he had pulled out a gun from
Speaker 5: his ankle holster and shot me, and the bullet went
Speaker 5: that far from my shoulder, in through a couch and
Speaker 5: into the wall behind me. I realized he was upset
Speaker 5: that I had interrupted him, so I sat forward and
Speaker 5: with a totally straight face, trying not to show that
Speaker 5: my heart was beating so hard it was going to
Speaker 5: pop out of my chest, and I said, I'm sorry
Speaker 5: I interrupted you. And there was another a real special
Speaker 5: operator in the room who said, that was the coolest thing.
Speaker 4: You ever saw.
Speaker 5: So so what I would say for your for your listeners, though,
Speaker 5: is we probably all have something in common. There is
Speaker 5: there are certain people who when they experience high levels
Speaker 5: of pressure and danger, their alert system comes into play
Speaker 5: and they they actually do the opposite of panic. They
Speaker 5: focus really well. And I feel like I've got that ability.
Speaker 5: I didn't panic in under any of these situations, kept calm,
Speaker 5: stayed organized, stayed focused, and that's how I survived to
Speaker 5: be able to do this interview today.
Speaker 2: I see a new shirt, stay Calm, organized and focused. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's it, the stay calm shirt or carry on organized
Speaker 2: and focused, stay organized and focus.
Speaker 3: Let me write that down organized.
Speaker 2: That's a great organized and focused like I'm going to
Speaker 2: do right now for the rest of this show.
Speaker 3: Stayed organized and focused. Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, thank you for bringing me into that world of
Speaker 2: your past just for a little bit and giving us
Speaker 2: a glimpse of what you've been involved with. Now, let's
Speaker 2: let's transition into globe master down. Okay, and if I
Speaker 2: could just kind of surmise or you know, just get
Speaker 2: a small little zee summarize. Yes, it's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: aircraft carrying people with you know, an atomic bomb of
Speaker 2: sorts on it that went down, and it's in you know.
Speaker 3: The World War two era, right.
Speaker 4: Almost?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, please please?
Speaker 5: So what happened was this is post World War two,
Speaker 5: the Cold War is beginning, and the United States recognizes
Speaker 5: that Russia has not demobilized from World War Two. All
Speaker 5: the other belligerents in World War Two had either been
Speaker 5: defeated or were rapidly drawing down their forces, bringing their
Speaker 5: troops home. They people just wanted to enjoy normal life,
Speaker 5: and you know, husbands and brothers and fathers wanted to
Speaker 5: get back to their families. So the United States was
Speaker 5: pulling troops out of Europe, Britain was pulling its troops
Speaker 5: back home, and they were doing troop assessments of Soviet
Speaker 5: forces and realized they still had more than a million
Speaker 5: troops on the front lines between western and Eastern Europe.
Speaker 5: They were not demobilizing in any way, and so the
Speaker 5: commanders began doing assessments of, well, what happens next if
Speaker 5: the Communists decided that they're going to take over Europe.
Speaker 5: So they began doing these these very serious assessments of it,
Speaker 5: and the more they assessed it, the more convinced they
Speaker 5: were that in fact, Stalin had every intention of moving
Speaker 5: into Europe and possibly going as far as taking over Britain.
Speaker 5: And so they began holding a series of meetings to
Speaker 5: discuss how to respond to this, how to prepare for this.
Speaker 5: And so they knew that they needed to get US
Speaker 5: atomic forces into Britain. They just didn't know how to
Speaker 5: do it because nobody, none of the leaders in Europe
Speaker 5: was as the world saw the images from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Speaker 5: They knew that no European nation would openly, you know,
Speaker 5: publicly say yes, United States, bring in your atomic weapons.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what we need. It just wasn't going to happen.
Speaker 5: It was politically unpalatable. So they began looking at other
Speaker 5: ways of deploying, and they realized that the easiest method,
Speaker 5: which was just to load atomic bombs into B twenty
Speaker 5: nine's in the United States and flying them over to
Speaker 5: attack the Soviets, was not viable because if the Soviets
Speaker 5: actually invaded en mass with a million troops, they were
Speaker 5: going to have already swept across the continent before the
Speaker 5: US planes were in the air.
Speaker 4: And they also assessed that.
Speaker 5: We can drop five ten atomic bombs on them, and
Speaker 5: that's still not going to stop them. They can survive that,
Speaker 5: and they will continue to hold ground and they will
Speaker 5: be harder to uproot than.
Speaker 4: It was to get Hitler out.
Speaker 5: So they knew that they needed to come up with
Speaker 5: another plan, and they came up with a secret plan,
Speaker 5: a top secret plan, to put US atomic forces in Britain.
Speaker 5: And so the Strategic Air Command, which was commanded by
Speaker 5: a General Curtis LeMay began drawing up plans to do this,
Speaker 5: and so they they formalized the plans and then named
Speaker 5: a commander named Paul T. Cullen to open up the
Speaker 5: first strategic Air Command base in Britain. But it was
Speaker 5: still not officially announced that this would be an atomic
Speaker 5: air base.
Speaker 4: It was just going to be a strategic Air command base.
Speaker 5: The only problem was the strategic Air comp and didn't
Speaker 5: do anything else other than deliver atomic bombs, and so,
Speaker 5: uh it was pretty apparent what the mission was. This plane,
Speaker 5: Globe Master uh OF is which is a C one
Speaker 5: four a triple decker plane, a cargo plane. It was
Speaker 5: the largest plane in existence at the time, uh and
Speaker 5: and the tail number was four nine two four four.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: They loaded it up with fifty three crew members as
Speaker 5: well as atomic attack specialists and including the general who's gonna.
Speaker 3: Cut yeah, Brigadier right, and they they they.
Speaker 5: They engaged in a number of flights domestically before they
Speaker 5: took off over the Atlantic. And their cargo consisted of
Speaker 5: two KB twenty nine fuel tanks which would enable be
Speaker 5: twenty nine to refuel in the air, plus a cargo
Speaker 5: that weighed ten thousand three hundred and ninety five pounds.
Speaker 5: A fat Man bomb or the fat Man bomb that
Speaker 5: they dropped on Nagasaki weighed ten thousand, three hundred pounds,
Speaker 5: so there was only a ninety five pound difference between
Speaker 5: that cargo and the cargo was the weight of the
Speaker 5: cargo was in addition to those KB twenty nine tanks.
Speaker 5: So so this book examines what that cargo might have
Speaker 5: been and what the mission was, and so we can
Speaker 5: get into that.
Speaker 3: That's that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Now I'm here in Utah, that's where I live, and
Speaker 2: we have Windover, which is the airbase just out here,
Speaker 2: which is a huge pivotal, you know, role in all
Speaker 2: of this, I have to say, with dropping on the
Speaker 2: first bomb, the second bomb, you know on Japan, the
Speaker 2: Doolittle raid. There's a road out here the desert that
Speaker 2: we go and do wargames on dool Little Road. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of bringing this into you know, like
Speaker 2: you said, this is that same timeframe, and so Bro,
Speaker 2: the funny thing is is I own a building just
Speaker 2: outside Hill Air Force Base. Okay, it's a ten thousand
Speaker 2: square foot warehouse. I have a I do wargames in there,
Speaker 2: and it's literally across the street from the base, and
Speaker 2: where my parking lot was was where they kept the
Speaker 2: B twenty nine's and the city I'm in needed a road,
Speaker 2: and they said, okay, hey, we'll back the fence line
Speaker 2: up for the base and give the city a road
Speaker 2: so they can incorporate themselves as a city and give
Speaker 2: this road. And so I'm literally right there where that
Speaker 2: took place. The people that would fly on those planes
Speaker 2: would get a paycheck. They would come into my shop
Speaker 2: at the time and cash those paychecks because it was
Speaker 2: a grocery store. The shop I bought was the nineteen
Speaker 2: forty four grocery store outside the base.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So I feel a whole lot of like doo little
Speaker 2: guys have come through that facility looking for something to eat.
Speaker 2: There's I have the columns in my shop like a
Speaker 2: store for ales, you know, and it's just like they're so.
Speaker 3: And then and then of.
Speaker 2: Course having having the wind Over, you know, segment of
Speaker 2: it right out ninety miles ninety minutes away from us.
Speaker 3: I've been there several times, just just for.
Speaker 5: Your listener's enjoyment. Uh and and and information. Windover plays
Speaker 5: a key role in the early part of this book.
Speaker 5: Because that's where UH Colonel Paul Tibbet's and and the
Speaker 5: five oh ninth uh uh UH, the five oh ninth
Speaker 5: UH composite wing UH trained UH with with dummy batman
Speaker 5: bombs to to UH to perform the nuclear attacks on
Speaker 5: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. My wife's grandfather trained there and lived there,
Speaker 5: and my wife's father lived.
Speaker 4: At wind Windover in those early days. Oh wow, yes,
Speaker 4: And and so this UH that plays into the entire
Speaker 4: story that.
Speaker 5: And it is it unfolds in Globe Master down in
Speaker 5: the early part, and it connects to everything that happened afterwards.
Speaker 5: But Doolittle plays a role in it. Tibbets plays a
Speaker 5: role in it. My wife's grandfather was on the Globe Master,
Speaker 5: so I didn't get to finish the actual what happened.
Speaker 5: The Globe Master made it two thirds of the way
Speaker 5: across the Atlantic, and then, without any radio communication or
Speaker 5: any indication of any problem, took a sharp right turn,
Speaker 5: went three hundred miles due south way off course, and
Speaker 5: ditched in the middle of the Atlantic. The all fifty
Speaker 5: three on board disappeared, the cargo disappeared, and the plane.
Speaker 5: The only contents of the plane were a few splintered
Speaker 5: wooden pieces from the cargo deck and a briefcase from
Speaker 5: one of the passengers. It contained some magazine and some
Speaker 5: other stuff. And that's all they found of the entire mission.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't until twenty sixteen when the United States
Speaker 5: publicly aired some current concerns that it had existed for
Speaker 5: a long time. Was that A this was an act
Speaker 5: of sabotage, and b they believed the Soviets might have
Speaker 5: had a role in it, because they believed that the
Speaker 5: Soviets had ships and submarines in the very area where
Speaker 5: the plane went down.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Todd, the three hundred miles
Speaker 2: off course, where would that kind of put them with
Speaker 2: their lost this lost broken arrow?
Speaker 3: Really? Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if yes, it would have put them about six
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty miles south west of the coast of Ireland.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, And I know that.
Speaker 2: Researching our conversation just a little bit prior to us,
Speaker 2: I found out there was a few broken arrows that
Speaker 2: the government well knowledge, Like in Fayeville, North Carolina, there's
Speaker 2: some type of a broken arrow, and then there's another
Speaker 2: one that's lost, and there's one like Georgia.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and then there's there's one off the coast
Speaker 5: of Spain, and and there This is a little little
Speaker 5: known fact, but the United States has listed broken arrows
Speaker 5: that were recovered. What they will not tell you is
Speaker 5: the number and location of the broken arrows that were
Speaker 5: never recovered. And writing this book was particularly difficult because
Speaker 5: there are thousands of pages of top secret documents that
Speaker 5: have not been declassified and I could not access them,
Speaker 5: and and I set off alarm bells when I asked
Speaker 5: for them, because I was told by an archivist at
Speaker 5: the National Archives, if.
Speaker 4: If an atomic weapon has been.
Speaker 5: Lost and has not been recovered, the documents related to
Speaker 5: that cannot be released. And that was because I posed
Speaker 5: a question to her, and I said, I'm not hanging
Speaker 5: up until I get an answer to this. After seventy
Speaker 5: five years, you there's something still so secret that you
Speaker 5: can't release it.
Speaker 4: And she said correct, and then she explained it.
Speaker 3: That's just mind blows.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get top secret, I get secret, secret,
Speaker 2: super secret, Okay, squirrel secret, oss secret, you know, Winston
Speaker 2: Churchill secret.
Speaker 3: I get all the secrets, right, I get it. I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 2: But bro like plutonium just out there, you know, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen movies in the eighties about platonium. Okay, come
Speaker 2: on now, bro, that's plutonium out there, and I guess
Speaker 2: it's good to keep that a secret from our adversary
Speaker 2: so that they can't you know, where are we trying
Speaker 2: to recover it from or anything like that, and so
Speaker 2: they can get it because everybody wants a little platonium.
Speaker 2: We all see back to the future. Come on now, yes,
Speaker 2: platonium doc what so so okay, So for my listener,
Speaker 2: a broken arrow. I kind of just threw that out there.
Speaker 2: It's where we've lost a nuclear or atomic bomb.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That's specifically like a broken arrow, is that it's a
Speaker 2: broken arrow somewhere.
Speaker 3: It's got to be recovered.
Speaker 2: It's been stolen, it's been whatever the case lost crashed
Speaker 2: and see am I hitting that right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: Now, the in this case, I tried to put the
Speaker 5: pieces of the puzzle together, and there are some missing
Speaker 5: pieces of the puzzle because they're in those classified documents
Speaker 5: that they will not release. But I've you know, established
Speaker 5: the weight of the cargo. I've established the nature of
Speaker 5: the mission. I've established what was going on in terms
Speaker 5: of training operations involving fat Man dummy bombs over Europe
Speaker 5: at the exact moment this plane was in the air.
Speaker 5: And so the question is would the United States regard
Speaker 5: a fat man that didn't contain a nuclear core as
Speaker 5: an atomic weapon? And the answer is yes, they did.
Speaker 5: In fact, there were number of cases before and after
Speaker 5: this where the US lost fat Man bombs without the
Speaker 5: nuclear core, and they listed that as a broken arrow incident,
Speaker 5: a lost atomic bomb. So by the US government's own definition,
Speaker 5: this was this could have been a lost bomb. But
Speaker 5: I don't call it a broken arrow in the book
Speaker 5: just because those missing pieces in it. I'm a journalist
Speaker 5: and I can't say something is true and I don't
Speaker 5: don't have confirmation of it.
Speaker 2: I love that, and I love you for being that
Speaker 2: kind of journalist. Okay, I aspire to you and the
Speaker 2: Christina Amipor's and all of that out there. That's I
Speaker 2: appreciate the honesty and integrity that you bring to your journalism,
Speaker 2: and we just need to know that that exists. And
Speaker 2: and I just want you to know I'm also of
Speaker 2: that saying I want to be of that same cloth
Speaker 2: as you. Now, it seems to me that this mission,
Speaker 2: this globe mastered down situation that they were trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, get over to England and you know, be prepared,
Speaker 2: was maybe, you know, compromised from the get go.
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, it just doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: what do you think of that?
Speaker 4: Well, so why was it compromised from the get go?
Speaker 5: There were a number of possibilities as well as one
Speaker 5: absolute certainty. And I'll do the possibilities first, because the
Speaker 5: absolute certainty is bizarre. So the possibilities are that the
Speaker 5: entire Manhattan Project had already been infiltrated by Soviet spies.
Speaker 5: Klaud Fuchs just one of several who were feeding information
Speaker 5: directly to Joseph Stalin. And so when Harry Truman pulled
Speaker 5: Stalin aside to tell him the United States was about
Speaker 5: to launch a big attack on Japan to end the war,
Speaker 5: and he told Stalin it was an atomic bomb, Stalin
Speaker 5: didn't react. This is according to Truman's own memoirs. Stalin
Speaker 5: didn't react. He just went, oh, that's nice, and then
Speaker 5: he just moved on because Stalin already knew and so
Speaker 5: US nuclear the most secret aspect of the entire war,
Speaker 5: had already been compromised. And Stalin seemed to make it
Speaker 5: his mission in life to show the United States, no
Speaker 5: matter what you do, I can infiltrate you and get
Speaker 5: your secrets, so don't try it. And uh so there
Speaker 5: was as as I unfolded the book, there was a
Speaker 5: good reason to believe that that, uh, that this mission
Speaker 5: and and the conversations that Curtis la May was having
Speaker 5: at the time with his commanders about Europe had already
Speaker 5: been compromised. In fact, Curtis Lamay and his memoirs uh
Speaker 5: raised the possibility that they had already been infiltrated, and
Speaker 5: he was he was cracking down. But those were early
Speaker 5: in the days. I mean when when he established his
Speaker 5: Strategic Air Command. Uh his base as well as wind
Speaker 5: Over didn't even have fences around them, right, so you know,
Speaker 5: so so they needed.
Speaker 3: To out on the salt flats.
Speaker 2: They're like, we're in the middle of the salt flats exactly,
Speaker 2: We're in the middle of nowhere. Don't need to Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is desolate, it's air. There's no fresh water day,
Speaker 2: it's all saltwater. If you dig down, and it's like, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: we didn't need a fence, We're our own fence.
Speaker 5: So they put in fences. You know around the time
Speaker 5: that the Globe Master took off. But but so they
Speaker 5: were already worried about security. And when the Globe Master
Speaker 5: took off, there were a number of documents that that
Speaker 5: you know, I was able to get a hold of
Speaker 5: where the pilots and crew of of all these aircraft
Speaker 5: were being warned ahead of time. You know, there there
Speaker 5: are enemy forces out there, and they could attempt at
Speaker 5: any time to sabotage, to shoot you down, to to
Speaker 5: divert you, to capture you. And these are the procedures
Speaker 5: that you must undertake if this happens. So they were
Speaker 5: already aware that the enemy, the Soviets, were highly capable
Speaker 5: of intervening in this this as well as other operations
Speaker 5: that were going on at the time. They had demonstrated
Speaker 5: it by shooting down privateer spyplanes that were supposedly, you know,
Speaker 5: collecting weather data off the coast of Scandin and they
Speaker 5: shot them down and captured their crew. And and uh
Speaker 5: so this was you know, for for all they they
Speaker 5: call it a cold war, it was getting to the
Speaker 5: point of being a hot war. And on top of
Speaker 5: this you have Korea and and uh so, so the
Speaker 5: le Maay and and the other commanders were absolutely convinced
Speaker 5: that Korea was designed by the Soviets as a diversionary tactic.
Speaker 5: That it was the idea was to suck US forces
Speaker 5: into Asia so that he then had an open door
Speaker 5: to go into Europe.
Speaker 4: And so that was part of the urgency.
Speaker 5: Le May felt to get the atomic weaponry and and
Speaker 5: attack forces into Europe ahead of time. So then we
Speaker 5: get to the real security compromise here, which was that
Speaker 5: the commander Uh that I mentioned.
Speaker 3: Thank you dude. I was just gonna think, like, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: we'll catch you, trap you. Oh, I know how you
Speaker 3: can catch and trap a guy.
Speaker 5: So Brigadier General Paul Tuh Right after, right after Hiroshima
Speaker 5: and Nagasaki, the United States launched up Operation Crossroads to
Speaker 5: UH test nuclear weapons over the Marshall Islands, Bikinia toll And.
Speaker 5: During that operation, which my wife's grandfather was a part of,
Speaker 5: he was operations commander for that Operations Officer uh Cullen
Speaker 5: was there and he met a Red Cross girl who
Speaker 5: was on the scene at the time named Reva Joy
Speaker 5: Hurwitz and and they fell in love. They had an affair,
Speaker 5: and everybody knew about it and uh, And the affair
Speaker 5: continued after Operation Crossroads. And what Cullen apparently didn't tell
Speaker 5: anybody at the time is that he was already married
Speaker 5: and had been married for sixteen years, and his wife
Speaker 5: was back in Washington waiting for him, and Cullin snuck
Speaker 5: away with Reaver Hurwitz to Mexico and I got a
Speaker 5: copy of their marriage for Mexico and they got married,
Speaker 5: which meant that Cullen was at Yeah.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, sorry, it's in my head. He's a big
Speaker 2: a miss Yeah, sorry, polygamist.
Speaker 5: So absolutely under military law, military law at the time
Speaker 5: as well as military law today as well as civilian law,
Speaker 5: that was a prosecutable criminal offense, and he he should
Speaker 5: have rightfully been drummed out in the military, but they
Speaker 5: didn't do any background checks on him, and so they
Speaker 5: didn't know even though there were people in his circle
Speaker 5: of commanders who knew that something strange was going on
Speaker 5: with him, they didn't do the necessary background check. And that,
Speaker 5: you know, anybody who's been in the military knows, you know,
Speaker 5: the enemy when when they're looking to gain intelligence, they
Speaker 5: look for vulnerabilities, and this was a blatant vulnerability, a
Speaker 5: because you know, they could blackmail him. B All they
Speaker 5: had to do was was find out you know the
Speaker 5: Bridge club these women were hanging out at, or you
Speaker 5: know where they were shot exactly, yes, and just strike
Speaker 5: up a conversation.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know anything going on?
Speaker 5: And they both knew about the plan to deploy these
Speaker 5: atomic forces over to Britain. In fact, they've been told
Speaker 5: pack your stuff, we're moving to Britain and so.
Speaker 3: So. So it was.
Speaker 5: It was a major security breach and and it went
Speaker 5: undetected for years afterwards. Well no, I should should not
Speaker 5: say that went undetected until the plane went down and then.
Speaker 4: Both wives I've sought survivor.
Speaker 5: Benefits and that's how it was exposed that he was
Speaker 5: married to women at the same time.
Speaker 3: Bro Mickey and Maud. Dude, He's just like, uh, what
Speaker 3: do I do? Well, yeah, he got read sparrowed.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a real term, but there's
Speaker 2: a movie about it where you know, they trained the
Speaker 2: women in Russia to come over to get what they
Speaker 2: need from the guys. We might be seeing it today
Speaker 2: in our current society. You know, you just never know,
Speaker 2: You just never know. So uh yeah, because the power
Speaker 2: of a woman is awesome. Yes, and the guy really
Speaker 2: wants to have some of that power of that woman.
Speaker 2: And you know, especially been gone for some desolate place
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden you meet somebody and
Speaker 2: you can't send a text to your wife in DC.
Speaker 3: Back then, there's no hey babe, how you doing? You know,
Speaker 3: how can we talk?
Speaker 2: No, It's like, let me write you a letter, my
Speaker 2: dearest Cynthia today, the day is the day, you know, that's.
Speaker 3: How you're writing a letter.
Speaker 2: It gets there two weeks later, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: nobody's really fact checking him like we can't today. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like a media fact check, Facebook, Instagram, you know,
Speaker 2: all these different social medias. Here you are here, Here,
Speaker 2: you are here. Reen cameras caught you walking across the
Speaker 2: front lawn, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, back then there was nothing like that.
Speaker 2: No, no, wow, wow. So we might have the reason why,
Speaker 2: but we're not sure. But in your book you get
Speaker 2: into all of this and it really dives in too.
Speaker 2: You know how this mission seems compromised just from the
Speaker 2: get go in my opinion, you know, from a perspective,
Speaker 2: here it's psyches and where did I mean if they
Speaker 2: found a briefcase okay, and there were some things in it,
Speaker 2: but they never found the plane.
Speaker 5: No, never found the plane, nor the contents nor there
Speaker 5: and and there were survivors.
Speaker 4: They were spotted by multiple.
Speaker 5: Rescue planes in the hours following the ditching, which which
Speaker 5: A indicates if the plane ditches, then it hadn't been
Speaker 5: disabled in the air. Because to be able to ditch
Speaker 5: a c one, like I said, a triple deck or
Speaker 5: plane on open water.
Speaker 4: Took considerable talent.
Speaker 5: But to be able to survive that means it had
Speaker 5: to have been a relatively smooth landing for them to
Speaker 5: be able to then get the doors open and escape.
Speaker 3: As if they were landing right.
Speaker 2: They came into the approach as if, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have to land on the water exactly as best we
Speaker 2: can and try to set.
Speaker 5: It and get the hell out of there as fast
Speaker 5: as you can. And so that there were survivors. They
Speaker 5: were spotted from the air. The survivors disappeared. Now now
Speaker 5: the existed that the existing orders at the time were
Speaker 5: if if you're on a secret mission and you you're
Speaker 5: you're you have in your possession sensitive material that the
Speaker 5: enemy might try to capture, you are obligated to blow
Speaker 5: it up, and they they the very orders at the
Speaker 5: time told them you must blow it up by by
Speaker 5: whatever means necessary to destroy it. And and so there's
Speaker 5: a possibility that they sank their own plane to keep
Speaker 5: it away. If they knew that the Soviets were in
Speaker 5: the area, then then they destroyed it. It's also possible
Speaker 5: the plane just would totally broke up on landing and
Speaker 5: they just narrowly escaped.
Speaker 4: And it disappeared under the water.
Speaker 2: But if you think about modern today landing on a water,
Speaker 2: like when solely the pilot that landed the plane in
Speaker 2: the Hudson River, Okay, he was able to land that
Speaker 2: plane without a breaking up and everybody was on the
Speaker 2: wings like kind of waiting for.
Speaker 3: Salvation to come and rescue them, you know.
Speaker 2: So it seems like if you have a talented pilot
Speaker 2: that and a navigator or whatnot, and you can land
Speaker 2: that plane into the water. Now mind you it might
Speaker 2: be sea. It's the seas, so there's high seas. You know,
Speaker 2: there's like, you know, who knows what the waves are
Speaker 2: doing when they hit. But I mean, it is possible
Speaker 2: to land the plane to get out, like you said,
Speaker 2: open the doors and get out. But did anybody ever
Speaker 2: get recovered? Can you tell me about that or do
Speaker 2: we need to read the door.
Speaker 4: Nothing was really hick. Nothing was recovered, But I do
Speaker 4: recommend reading the book.
Speaker 3: No, No, I agree, I agree, I agree. Don't tell
Speaker 3: me more, tell me all of it.
Speaker 4: No, nothing was recovered.
Speaker 5: And what's interesting is, you know on the flight manifest,
Speaker 5: this one hundred, this ten thousand, three hundred and ninety
Speaker 5: five pounds of cargo consisted of engine parts and you know,
Speaker 5: assorted items, plus some medical equipment that included eight thousand
Speaker 5: surgical sponges. Eight thousand surgical sponges sponges, which I write
Speaker 5: in the book is like eight thousand rubber duckies. They
Speaker 5: should have floated, They should have floated straight to the
Speaker 5: surface because they're highly boand and yet not one was found,
Speaker 5: not one.
Speaker 2: Of those sponges that would be like just sitting there,
Speaker 2: like you found a briefcase.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a briefcase. There was some wood that
Speaker 3: was floating. Okay.
Speaker 5: So what the book makes very clear, based on actual documents,
Speaker 5: is that they were fledging flight manifests left and right
Speaker 5: during this time because what they were actually doing was
Speaker 5: flying nuclear components and atomic attack specialists over to Europe,
Speaker 5: and they did not want a record of what was
Speaker 5: actually being flown over there, and so they were making
Speaker 5: up cargo manifests and putting them into the record. So
Speaker 5: in all likelihood, this cargo manifest was bogus.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was just a facade. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so again in this whole question of the KB
Speaker 5: twenty nine, because some of the wooden wreckage that was
Speaker 5: recovered was of those KB twenty nine fuel tanks that
Speaker 5: were aboard, and that's key to this whole thing, because
Speaker 5: the KB twenty nine, if you're trying to hide a
Speaker 5: fat Man bomb, the KB twenty nine was designed to
Speaker 5: fit into the expanded cargo hold of a B twenty
Speaker 5: nine that at the time was called a silver plate
Speaker 5: B twenty nine. The cargo hold itself was top secret
Speaker 5: because that was a modified B twenty nine that was
Speaker 5: made specifically to load a fat Man bomb, and so
Speaker 5: they had to make the car the bombay door much
Speaker 5: bigger than normal, and so the KB twenty nine was
Speaker 5: meant to fit through that exact same bombay, except it
Speaker 5: was slightly larger than fat Man, meaning you could fit
Speaker 5: a fat Man inside a KB twenty nine. If your
Speaker 5: whole goal was to fly it over to Britain and
Speaker 5: unload it from this cargo plane, without all the British
Speaker 5: eyes on you seeing what you're unloading, it would just
Speaker 5: look like a fuel take exactly exactly. And so uh
Speaker 5: so there there was good reason to believe they were
Speaker 5: using this to disguise the actual cargo because there they
Speaker 5: knew there were there were enemy eyes all over the
Speaker 5: place in Britain that that was documented, and so so
Speaker 5: they knew they.
Speaker 2: To me the year again, tell me the year that
Speaker 2: this is transforting.
Speaker 3: To the year again.
Speaker 4: This is nineteen fifty one, nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 5: In fact, last week last week, March twenty third, actually
Speaker 5: this week March yeah, yeah, yeah, we're March yeah, was
Speaker 5: the exact seventy fifth anniversary of the time going down.
Speaker 3: Seventy fifth anniversary.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, good timing, okay, Because you have this book, okay,
Speaker 2: Globe Bastard down, all right, and I mean that I
Speaker 2: want everyone to go check it out and and and
Speaker 2: again let me just kind of like pitch your book
Speaker 2: a little bit. If you go and buy the book
Speaker 2: glob Master down online at any of these retailers leave
Speaker 2: a comment for the author down below, you know, like
Speaker 2: leave a comment where you bought the book. It really
Speaker 2: goes a long way. And also rate the book on
Speaker 2: the place and the platform that you purchased it. Whether
Speaker 2: you buy you know, Todd's book, or you go and
Speaker 2: buy another book. It's always nice to leave the authors
Speaker 2: a review. And I just want to encourage you, my listener,
Speaker 2: to do that. Right, even if it's just one of
Speaker 2: you out there that goes and buys this book, leave
Speaker 2: them a review for it, okay, because it matters a lot.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure supporting local is always going
Speaker 2: to be what I say. First, go to your local
Speaker 2: mom and pop book shops that have been around and
Speaker 2: you know, stood the test of time to continue to
Speaker 2: have books on the shelf so we can go in
Speaker 2: and just touch them and hold them and open them.
Speaker 3: And read them.
Speaker 2: And then that goes and helps them keep themselves open.
Speaker 2: So buy local first. Otherwise, just buy it wherever you
Speaker 2: can download it. And I want you to read this book.
Speaker 2: Globe Master down the Soviets, man, I mean really, there's
Speaker 2: like so much is going on, Dolittle the wind Over.
Speaker 2: I just was I just wanted to bring up wind
Speaker 2: over to you, because I'm here. I go to it
Speaker 2: all the time. I see Windover all we go out.
Speaker 2: So you got a couple casinos out there now. And
Speaker 2: I tell my wife, you know, and friends when I
Speaker 2: go out there.
Speaker 3: You know, this is only here because of the military, right, Like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that water tower up on the peak
Speaker 2: over there, that's probably just installed by the military. Everything here,
Speaker 2: this whole town, this whole community here is because of
Speaker 2: that runway. And when you're traveling on I eighty, which
Speaker 2: is the freeway that goes between California New York. You're
Speaker 2: on I eighty going west or east, you can look
Speaker 2: over to the south and you can see the runway
Speaker 2: out in the salt flats. You can see the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I've been there for air shows. I've seen Harrier jets
Speaker 2: take off. I've you know, they film movies out there.
Speaker 2: Con Air was filmed out there with Nicholas Cage. They
Speaker 2: did oh this last one, Fallout, the TV series Fallout.
Speaker 2: They use the Windover airfield, but today they're actually what's
Speaker 2: the word when you take something and you refurbish it,
Speaker 2: it's like the bomb loading doors or something like that
Speaker 2: they're like this this pit right here that we're standing
Speaker 2: in is being re refurbished.
Speaker 3: It's like the most important little pitch.
Speaker 4: And so it's is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And so our local news here Fox thirteen
Speaker 2: has gone out and done a story on that just yesterday,
Speaker 2: and that's probably because it's the seventy fifth anniversary. I mean, no,
Speaker 2: they're just talking about Windover, I think, and the airfield
Speaker 2: and its significance in the military's might because.
Speaker 3: It was a secret air base. Yeah, it wasn't supposed
Speaker 3: to be known about. It was supposed to be a
Speaker 3: secret airbase.
Speaker 2: I mean they were running to do little rate from
Speaker 2: Hill Air Force Base two Windover and back and forth,
Speaker 2: and then they'd come into my shop and buy some
Speaker 2: bread and some candy and go back to bed, you know.
Speaker 3: And so that's the invisible strings.
Speaker 2: My wife always talks about invisible strings out there, you know,
Speaker 2: and how this stuff all pulls together. And that's so wild, dude.
Speaker 2: And then your grand your wife's grandfather. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just so many invisible strings right here, and you're awesome.
Speaker 2: That's another invisible string. Holy canoli, dude, Holy cow. Well
Speaker 2: that's kind of Glowmaster down. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 5: That's kind of kind of how I got into the
Speaker 5: book is is my father in law from age ten, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, didn't have a father, and and this flight
Speaker 5: took place over the Easter weekend and and apparently his father,
Speaker 5: just before he got on the plane, popped an Easter
Speaker 5: card to the family in the mail and then got
Speaker 5: on the plane and took off. So they get news
Speaker 5: that the plane has disappeared, and they get news there
Speaker 5: were no survivors, and then this letter arrives, this Easter
Speaker 5: card arrives saying Jim, have a have a happy Easter,
Speaker 5: I love you, et cetera. And he went through his
Speaker 5: life believing his father was still alive, because well, I've
Speaker 5: got this letter, you know, he must still be alive.
Speaker 5: And and so you know, he spent deck aids kind
Speaker 5: of obsessed with this, but never able to fully explain
Speaker 5: what happened. They know that the Air Force lied to
Speaker 5: them about how the plane disappeared and what happened.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 5: Several years ago a group of other surviving family members
Speaker 5: began collecting whatever documents they could and exchanging them because
Speaker 5: the Internet enabled them to do that. And he collected
Speaker 5: all this stuff and then he started showing it to me,
Speaker 5: and he just he didn't know what to do with it,
Speaker 5: and so I gathered it and then I did my
Speaker 5: own research, took a trip to Washington, and spent three
Speaker 5: days at the National Archives or Library of Congress, i
Speaker 5: should say.
Speaker 4: And that's how this book came about.
Speaker 2: You're just trying to give some closure to the situation
Speaker 2: and find out the actual truth to give them, And
Speaker 2: that's very cool of you to do so, and use
Speaker 2: your skill set that you have and your your thoughts
Speaker 2: to try to bring some closure and you were able
Speaker 2: to put it into a book.
Speaker 3: Now, so now you have Globe Master down right.
Speaker 2: I just can't help us say it because now the
Speaker 2: C five is an aircraft in the Air Force which
Speaker 2: is called the Globe Master, right, or is that the
Speaker 2: C seventeen. No, the C seventeen is the Globe Master.
Speaker 2: The C five is a galaxy. So they gave the
Speaker 2: C seventeen the Globe Master nickname. Yeah, that's the I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm putting together, right, because yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: because I just had a C seventeen Globe Master pilot
Speaker 2: on yesterday and they're.
Speaker 4: Just massive, massive planes.
Speaker 3: Huge.
Speaker 5: The Globe Master is huge. It doesn't fly anymore, but yeah,
Speaker 5: just absolutely huge. And the wings the wings were hollowed
Speaker 5: out so that that crew members in flight could could
Speaker 5: crawl through these tubes in the wings to access the engines,
Speaker 5: and the pilot would shut down engine number three, and
Speaker 5: then the remember, we'll go in and change the spark
Speaker 5: plugs on the engine and then get out of there
Speaker 5: and then crank up the engine again. And they became
Speaker 5: adept at doing this kind of stuff, engine maintenance in
Speaker 5: the air.
Speaker 3: That guy, whoever that guy was, that's not me. I'm
Speaker 3: six five.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm crawling into the wing maybe
Speaker 2: if it was bigger than No, the guy that's crawling
Speaker 2: into that wing, you know, it's like someone five to five,
Speaker 2: someone five four two five two get in there and
Speaker 2: go bend your wrist and change the sprocket.
Speaker 3: The spark plugs. Man, Holy cow, wow, holy cal well.
Speaker 2: First, I want to say rest in peace to the
Speaker 2: souls that were lost on that aircraft. Okay, as much
Speaker 2: as I'm smiling and talking about this in history, it's
Speaker 2: a real thing that affects obviously family, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to, like, I want to set a
Speaker 2: tone of like, you know, respect for them, okay, and
Speaker 2: just put that out there for everybody that lost their lives.
Speaker 3: That's a sad thing.
Speaker 2: You know, you've obviously in a war conflict area and
Speaker 2: war as hell, and you've seen that you've been chased
Speaker 2: yourself by people who just wanted the truth to be stopped,
Speaker 2: you know, chased, cannapped, the whole nine yards. So you know,
Speaker 2: props to you for your diligence in continuing on with
Speaker 2: just giving facts and straight truth about your your journalistic experiences.
Speaker 2: So I just want to say thank you for doing that.
Speaker 2: And I just want to kind of say to your family,
Speaker 2: you know, sorry for your loss. And you know, I'm
Speaker 2: glad you guys got that Easter card and that's a
Speaker 2: very sweet thing to have had come home. And that's
Speaker 2: kind of how I feel about it. So aside from
Speaker 2: all the laughing and joking and like, oh the espionage
Speaker 2: and everything and all of the suspense, these were people's
Speaker 2: lives that are gone that you know, you are one
Speaker 2: of the fifty threes relatives trying to figure it out.
Speaker 3: There's other relatives who just were.
Speaker 2: Just told and they just had to take it on
Speaker 2: the chin, like, oh, it's a training accident quote unquot.
Speaker 2: You know it's like, that was not a training accident.
Speaker 2: My dad was a Green Beret. When you talking about
Speaker 2: training accident, I know there's more to this, or my
Speaker 2: dad was a pilot or whatever the case is. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, wow, and thank you for coming on
Speaker 2: to software up and sharing that with us here on
Speaker 2: my podcast. I'm really honored to have you on the show.
Speaker 2: Happy to do it invisible strings of a pulitzer prise.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So listen, I just want to say thank you. I've
Speaker 2: had you for an hour. I'm sure my listener is like, no,
Speaker 2: there's more, rad and there is.
Speaker 3: There's so much more. But it's in the book Globe.
Speaker 2: Master down and you can go find that anywhere, hopefully
Speaker 2: at the airport, hopefully anywhere that it's going to be at.
Speaker 2: Get it, buy it, leave a comment on the review
Speaker 2: for it, and you know, just share the book with
Speaker 2: a friend.
Speaker 3: Even there.
Speaker 2: I'm just put it out there for you. I think
Speaker 2: that you should just have a really cool Everybody should
Speaker 2: just go buy your book. That's what I want to say.
Speaker 2: If I can make that happen. There's my magic wand
Speaker 2: actually it's a pencil. It's the David Letterman theory.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: See if you have a pencil, it's like I'm taking notes,
Speaker 2: you see, And honestly, honestly, I am taking notes.
Speaker 3: Four nine zero two four four you see. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: got that. That's a tail number of that plane.
Speaker 2: Okay, organize and focus, Organize and focus play number you
Speaker 2: see I do. I want you to know and you matter,
Speaker 2: and thank you for everything and to your family and
Speaker 2: everybody that supports you.
Speaker 3: Just don't get don't get lost in the woods. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I will just wind this down like I just
Speaker 2: have and say thank you again to Todd robertson his book.
Speaker 3: Is Globe Master down. Go check that out.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it becomes some type of a TV show or
Speaker 2: a Netflix series or something that we can actually like
Speaker 2: watch and and you know and also see it that
Speaker 2: way in that adaptation.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So if there's anybody knocking on your door, I hope
Speaker 2: so if not, and you're listening to this to knock
Speaker 2: on his door.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So with that said, I want to say thanks to
Speaker 2: Ann I think who arranged us to meet. This is
Speaker 2: our first time ever having a conversation. And I want
Speaker 2: to show people that you can have a polite conversation
Speaker 2: with a stranger in today's society and not be at
Speaker 2: each other's throats about ideals. You can seriously talk it
Speaker 2: out and just have a nice conversation. And I hope
Speaker 2: that you listen to this and realize that you can
Speaker 2: have a nice conversation with someone a stranger. Just meet
Speaker 2: them and say hi, say hello. If someone's looking at you,
Speaker 2: say hi, watch what they say back. Maybe they'll say
Speaker 2: hi too. Okay, don't be like, oh, you're looking at me?
Speaker 3: What what?
Speaker 2: Anyways, that's just my own soapbox, and talk about spread
Speaker 2: some kindness out there. It's infectious and it just goes
Speaker 2: a long way. And on behalf of Todd Robertson who
Speaker 2: joined us today on his busy schedule, on.
Speaker 3: Behalf of his book Globe Master Down.
Speaker 2: Okay, go check that out, And on behalf of Soft
Speaker 2: Rep and Brandon Webb my guy in the background, and
Speaker 2: Callum my producer, and logan and everybody that's always Rubik's
Speaker 2: cubing us to have this great platform.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your hard work, and that I.
Speaker 2: Just want to say thank you again to Todd for
Speaker 2: being on the show and to everybody that helped put
Speaker 2: you here.
Speaker 3: And this is rad saying peace.
Speaker 1: You've been listening to your self, Red Ladio