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Speaker 2: It is Victory Monday. How about that?

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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody. What a great crowd we got here. Everybody's

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Speaker 3: safety Maleik Hooker right over here, our special guest. Appreciate you,

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Speaker 3: hook Thank you very much. From the Ohio State Buckeyes,

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Speaker 3: by the way, who will be playing in the playing

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Speaker 3: in the Goodyear Cotton Bowl in the playoff quarterfinals on

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Speaker 3: Wednesday evening. And it is victory Monday. How about that.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to get that in again. And it's

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Speaker 3: our last show of the season. So we are delighted

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Speaker 3: you'll be just fine. But we're really grateful for the

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Speaker 3: doing that on Dallascowboys dot com. How y'all is good

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Speaker 3: to see you. We were just talking the three of

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Speaker 3: hook I think the first thing I'll ask you is,

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Speaker 3: as you man, you next year is ten for you,

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Speaker 3: ten years, and we're gonna touch on the passage of time.

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Speaker 3: But as you, as you go further along in your career,

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Speaker 3: do the seasons, uh get feel shorter or longer?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I say a little shorter, a little shorter.

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Speaker 2: I feel like all the years before. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: Young guy and you're kind of trying to figure a

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Speaker 3: I was, I don't know why I was surprised, but

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Speaker 3: just looking today, this is your fifth year here, yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: and anymore. I mean, once upon a time that was

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Speaker 3: that's a nice career. You invested, veteran that three years,

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Speaker 3: but five years is not. But anymore, if you're in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I've been fortunate to obviously, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, these last five years I was you know,

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Speaker 5: What's made this year unique?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely we can.

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Speaker 3: We are at Sidecar Social at the Star District in

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Speaker 3: We're with Cowboys safety Malik Hooker, and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 7: Cowboys, No Cowboys, No Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: As to the Miller Lite Cowboys Hour supported by Albert Since.

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Speaker 3: At side Cars Social at the Star District in Frisco

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Speaker 2: On Victory Monday.

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Speaker 3: Victory Monday, it's just as much Victory Monday if the

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Speaker 3: last game was on Thursday. That's all right. Have you

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Speaker 2: But you know, you know, you know, I still made

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Speaker 4: Honestly, like I said, it's just a lot that place

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Speaker 4: So you just got to go off of the stuff

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Speaker 6: you know, as the veteran older guys in this room

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Speaker 6: kind of preached that to these younger guys, like, hey, like,

439
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Speaker 6: even if there's some communication issues, personal issues or things

440
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Speaker 6: like that, we still got.

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Speaker 8: To go out there and do our jobs.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I try to preach its as much as I can.

443
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, I know, just like you guys know,

444
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Speaker 4: there's some stuff that you know, just you know, it's football,

445
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Speaker 4: there's some stuff that beat certain coverages, and you know

446
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: as well as on offense, there's certain coverages that beat

447
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Speaker 4: certain no players that they run. So I can't really

448
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Speaker 4: just blame it on just necessarily the defensive coordinator.

449
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Speaker 2: Because, like you said, at the end of the day,

450
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Speaker 2: I feel like we're.

451
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Speaker 4: Talented enough to still go out there and you know,

452
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Speaker 4: just beat our guys and being able to you know,

453
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Speaker 4: make a play.

454
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Speaker 2: So I feel like we didn't do enough of that.

455
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Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of the players that we

456
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Speaker 4: should have made, as you know, impact plays we left

457
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Speaker 4: out there, and myself included, I feel like we could

458
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Speaker 4: have been better on and it just felt like, like

459
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Speaker 4: I said, there was a lot of guys that was

460
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Speaker 4: just back and forth trying to get their feet back

461
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Speaker 4: under them, whether they was coming off injuries. You know,

462
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Speaker 4: I was out for four weeks. You know, Trey went

463
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Speaker 4: on IR for four weeks. We had one ya battling

464
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Speaker 4: with you.

465
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Speaker 2: Know, certain stuff back and forth. So it all plays

466
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Speaker 2: a factor.

467
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Speaker 4: Like I said, it's not a one person or you know,

468
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Speaker 4: just a coach thing.

469
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Speaker 2: You know, it's a team defense.

470
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Speaker 4: And you know, if one thing's off with this type

471
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Speaker 4: of scheme and this defense, and it makes everybody looks bad.

472
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Speaker 2: And that's just the facts of it, you know.

473
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Speaker 4: So whatever it was, you know, whether it be just

474
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Speaker 4: one game, you know, our run fits wasn't good, or

475
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 4: this game or four games straight the pass game wasn't good,

476
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Speaker 4: it all ties in together. So you just got to

477
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Speaker 4: look at it from both aspects. You know, was we

478
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Speaker 4: rushing as good as we can? And was we covering

479
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Speaker 4: as good as we can? And that all ties together.

480
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Speaker 3: I just want to have you addressed this for people

481
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Speaker 3: who have never played the game. So you played in

482
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Speaker 3: Dan Quinn's systems coaching staff verbage for three years, sir,

483
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Speaker 3: and then last year DQ went off to Washington and

484
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 3: now here comes Mike Zimmer. He's couldn't be more different,

485
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 3: love them both, couldn't be more different than Dan and

486
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: then now here came Eberflus with another new bunch of

487
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Speaker 3: coaches and a different set of verbiage. And now how

488
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Speaker 3: much does that play into Like people are talking about

489
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Speaker 3: Minnesota which got a great defense and a great coordinator,

490
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Speaker 3: and then they don't realize that that's been building for

491
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Speaker 3: about three years. Yeah, that just you don't just pour

492
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Speaker 3: a little powder in your water suddenly juice and suddenly

493
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Speaker 3: and suddenly got the eighty five Bears.

494
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Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way, right, Yeah, it takes time

495
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Speaker 4: for sure. I mean, obviously when you first came in

496
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Speaker 4: that first year, we was just decent that first year,

497
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Speaker 4: and then the next couple of years that's when we

498
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Speaker 4: kind of started clicking and we really got to being

499
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Speaker 4: as effective as we want it to be. But I

500
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Speaker 4: mean there's some teams, you know, those fortunate teams that

501
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Speaker 4: I can go out there, you know, in one year

502
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Speaker 4: and make it look specially because I think what was

503
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Speaker 4: at the Bears last year they wasn't pretty good.

504
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Speaker 2: Defense was always solid.

505
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Speaker 4: But now you know, they're league the league and their

506
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Speaker 4: playoff team and they're probably the best defense.

507
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Speaker 3: In the NFL and they're by far the league.

508
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like things can change quick, you know.

509
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Speaker 4: You just it's just all about the culture you have.

510
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Speaker 4: You know, the guys that you have in the locker

511
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Speaker 4: room and you know, who's willing to really buy into

512
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Speaker 4: what you're you know, you're coaching and stuff like that.

513
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Speaker 4: So I'm not saying we didn't do that because I

514
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Speaker 4: feel like we generally have the culture, the guys and

515
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Speaker 4: guys that genuinely buy in. Like you know, you see

516
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Speaker 4: a lot of teams playing this late in the season

517
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Speaker 4: who's not in the playoffs, and they're just going out

518
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Speaker 4: there and they're just playing. You know what I'm saying,

519
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Speaker 4: they're not playing for much or playing as hard as

520
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Speaker 4: they normally would. But I feel like the guys we had,

521
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Speaker 4: you know, as you've seen last week, you know, we're

522
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Speaker 4: still going out there as if you know, we're still

523
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Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season and trying to pour

524
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Speaker 4: out so culchure we got here is built good. But

525
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Speaker 4: like I said, at the end of the day, it's

526
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Speaker 4: just about performance. You know, we don't didn't perform as

527
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Speaker 4: well as we like most of those games as well

528
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Speaker 4: as you know, there was a lot of games where

529
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Speaker 4: we affected ourselves with penalties and just dumb mistakes, So we.

530
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Speaker 2: Got to be better on that behalf.

531
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Speaker 3: You've brought me right to the question I wanted to

532
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Speaker 3: hear you address, Thank you very much, which is the

533
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: other thing that is being much discussed by people on

534
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: the interwebs and all that, and that is this week,

535
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: how many of you veteran players should play and who

536
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: should who should not play, who should sit, who should

537
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Speaker 3: And you're laughing at it, And tell me why you're

538
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Speaker 3: laughing at it.

539
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 4: Mister Jones signs my check. So I'm gonna be out there,

540
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Speaker 4: you know.

541
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

542
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I just feel like, you know, And then

543
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Speaker 4: it's for me, like I said to beginning the first

544
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Speaker 4: half of my career, I was injured a lot, you

545
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, major injuries. So for me, it's

546
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Speaker 4: just about the opportunity for me to be able to

547
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Speaker 4: go out there and still be able to do what

548
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Speaker 4: I do at a high level at this point of

549
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Speaker 4: my career. So I mean, if I'm capable and I'm

550
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Speaker 4: physically able to go out there and perform, then I'm

551
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Speaker 4: gonna go out there and get what I can unless

552
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 4: they tell me I can't. You know what I'm saying,

553
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: if they tell me I can't play, then you know,

554
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: I'm all.

555
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: Just gonna have to listen to what they say.

556
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 4: But if I'm as far as supposed to be out

557
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: there and playing, then I'm gonna play. As if you know,

558
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: it's the first game of the season, I'm sure the

559
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: other guys be out on the roster me and being

560
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: around those guys, they got the same mindset I have too. Now,

561
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: some guys, you know, obviously, with you know, the business

562
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Speaker 4: aspect of it, you don't want to put other guys

563
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 4: in harms away, not saying we're all not valuable, not

564
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 4: saying that, but you know, you just gotta be smart

565
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Speaker 4: with some guys because you know there's some guys, as

566
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: we all know as being a business, that are gonna

567
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 4: be here longer than other guys, and you know you

568
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Speaker 4: want to protect that.

569
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Speaker 3: So also, if a guy isn't please address this. If

570
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Speaker 3: a guy is a free agent, which you're not, some

571
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: guys think, I don't know if I want to risk

572
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Speaker 3: getting a serious injury. You know I'm not in the

573
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: playoffs in the last game, and then how's that gonna

574
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: affect me on the open market? Does that ever come

575
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: into it?

576
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Speaker 2: I mean some guys.

577
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Speaker 4: I'm sure it does, because you know, there's some guys

578
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: who unfortunate goes out there and injuries are a part.

579
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: Of the game and it happens, you know.

580
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Speaker 4: But there's other guys who you know, who believe in that,

581
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: you know, if injuries are a part of the game,

582
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: and if it happens, it was just meant to be,

583
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

584
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: There's certain stuff that you just can't affect.

585
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 4: If you're going out there and you're warming up and

586
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 4: you're not even making contact, you have a non contact

587
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: injury that's unpreventable, you know what I'm saying. So I

588
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: just look at it like that, like you go out

589
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: there and you try to you know, half played.

590
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: That's where guys get hurt.

591
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Speaker 3: That's the worst.

592
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

593
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like, if you're going to play, go

594
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 4: out there and give it you one hundred percent. If

595
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 4: you're not going to play, then just let them know.

596
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: And I mean, you asked the conversation for front office

597
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: and whoever else, but I meet personally, I don't look

598
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: at it like that, like it's more of a hard thing.

599
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: I feel like for a lot of guys, especially with

600
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Speaker 4: our guys, like we really enjoy the brotherhood. We enjoy

601
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 4: being around each other. So like for me, I love

602
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: going out there and playing with Donovan Wilson every week,

603
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: so I know if he's playing, I'm playing.

604
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, as well as the other

605
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: guys on the defense.

606
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Speaker 4: So you know the record, you know, obviously we all

607
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 4: wish we had a winning record. We're going to the playoffs,

608
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: but the factor is we're not. What that doesn't take

609
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: away from, you know, the camaraderie and you know, the

610
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: love that we have with each other while we're doing this,

611
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Speaker 4: you know, this journey.

612
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Speaker 3: And the last thing about that and then we'll take

613
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Speaker 3: our next break is the three games that before last

614
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: week were frustrating for a lot. So last week you

615
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Speaker 3: had a good feeling. You flew home happy on Christmas

616
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Speaker 3: and to a lot of people doing that twice. Finishing

617
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: the season with that feeling, having not a losing record

618
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: to a lot of people, that carries over it. It helps

619
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Speaker 3: get you into the offseason on a positive note. Some

620
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Speaker 3: people say, oh, that's nonsense, it's next year. Is next year?

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Speaker 3: Where do you come down on that? I honestly, I mean,

622
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Speaker 3: is there a momentum from one year to the next.

623
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Speaker 3: Can it carry over?

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Speaker 4: I mean it can, but like I said, it's just

625
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Speaker 4: so much factor is that playing to it?

626
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Speaker 2: Like it can be a whole different roster.

627
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Speaker 4: And I mean you can try to kind of give

628
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Speaker 4: the guys the view of you know, what happened last

629
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Speaker 4: year for the new guys that's coming in, but there's

630
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Speaker 4: only so much you can really say for them to

631
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Speaker 4: have that same feeling that you know a lot of

632
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Speaker 4: us are gonna have going out of this year.

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Speaker 2: So I'll say it's fifty to fifty for me.

634
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Speaker 4: But me me personally, I kind of already because it's like,

635
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Speaker 4: you know, we didn't get what we accomplished, So it's

636
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Speaker 4: like it's just looking forward to another year chasing what

637
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: we all want. And that's the beauty of this game,

638
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like, there's only one winner

639
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: out of thirty two teams. So once that one winner,

640
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: you know, raises the trophy whatever, all right, all the

641
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,960
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642
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643
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Speaker 4: trying to chase this this one thing that we all

644
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Speaker 4: one team can get.

645
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Speaker 2: So that's the.

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Speaker 9: I don't.

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00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: I don't I know people I know people who have cheerleaders?

658
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: Really, come on, Brad, you know everybody hooked me up.

659
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying, I just want to make sure I don't

660
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: want to try to hook anybody up that hooked up.

661
00:31:21,560 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, hm.

662
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Speaker 7: No cowbaws, no Cowboys hows.

663
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Speaker 1: Back to the Miller Lite Cowboys Hour supported by albertsonce.

664
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: Out Sidecars Social in the Star District in Frisco. On

665
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: our final Cowboys Hour of this season. Brad Sham and

666
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: Nicole Hutchinson are very special guests Malake Hooker, the Cowboys

667
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: safety on victory Monday. Absolutely. I made reference before to

668
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: hook being a proud Ohio State Buckeye and they have

669
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: played a number of big games in AT and T Stadium, Absolutely,

670
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: and one of the biggest you played in, So that

671
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: would be the national championship game, which you won in twenty.

672
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: Fifteen, twenty yep, fifteen fifteen.

673
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: And so what was that? What did you think of

674
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: the place coming in here as a college kid in

675
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. Man, plus now you're I know that you

676
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: were locked in on the national championship and all that,

677
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: but still you walk in and hello.

678
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 4: I mean cause it's like the shoes a big place,

679
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: but you know, it's kind of it's open. You know,

680
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: we don't got no dumb So it was like it

681
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: was kind of like a shock to me, you know,

682
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 4: to see that many people on one spot, and then

683
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: how nice it was and how bright the lights and

684
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 4: stuff like that. Like it's funny. My family always talks

685
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: about it to this day. They love AT and T

686
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: and how beautiful it is.

687
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 2: So that was the first thing I noticed.

688
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: And then just like I said, how spacious it was

689
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: and how many people can be seated in there.

690
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: How often do you watch Ohio State?

691
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: Now?

692
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: Try to watch them as much as I can.

693
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean, the last couple of games I've been watching,

694
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: but you know, we was on that stretch.

695
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: Of all them games back to back. Yeah, wasn't watching

696
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: them as much. Did you ever think.

697
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: Then this would be a fun place to play, Not

698
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: that it was the Cowboys so much, but just the stadium.

699
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: And did that thought even out of your mind?

700
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: Nah? It's crazy, Like I never expected myself to be

701
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: in Dallas. Like when I went to Indy, you know,

702
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: even after I had a couple of injuries, I was like,

703
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna give me a fifth year. I'm

704
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: gonna play this fifth year out ball and then they're

705
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 4: gonna sign me back. So I never knew or thought

706
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: that I'll be ended up in Dallas. But I always

707
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: knew that, you know, mister Jerry always had you know,

708
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: love for me and wanted me to be in Dallas.

709
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: So you know, when I.

710
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: Got through the free agency and first person they called,

711
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 4: i mean, the first person they reached out was that

712
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys. I'm like, man, I wouldn't mind going down there.

713
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 4: I've seen what it looks like you. No, I ain't

714
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: never been to Texas, so no, it was kind of

715
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: just like the right, you know, the right moment type thing.

716
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: For me, and I don't want to let I don't

717
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: want to let the conversation get away. For those of

718
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: you who don't, No, Malik's journey to this point fifteenth picked, fifteenth,

719
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: picking the draft by the Colts, and then a series

720
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: of injuries that you could make a whole medical show.

721
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you shouldn't have been playing five years in

722
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: right with the injury, let alone talking about next year?

723
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: Is your town? That's why I think it's I think

724
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: anybody who plays ten years that's a heck of an

725
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: accomplishment anyway. Yeah, but with the things that you had

726
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: to overcome to get back on the field, it's it's

727
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: nearly a dead young miracle, isn't it.

728
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it was definitely a lot. You know, even

729
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: going looking back on it, my rookie year coming out,

730
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: I had a hip laboram and bilateral sports hernia that

731
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: I played through my last couple of games in college.

732
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: You played with those things, Yeah.

733
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: It was funny, because man, that's not funny, huck.

734
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's not funny.

735
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 4: Because like to even get through the week of practice,

736
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: like I was having to take so many ibuprofen just

737
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: to just to be okay to trying to jog enough

738
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: for me to get through practice. So I end up

739
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: playing in the playoff game we got got what Clemson.

740
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: I'm still disappointed to this day about that. But I

741
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: ended up getting an interception and everything, so I guess

742
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: I wasn't as hurt as I thought I was. But yeah,

743
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: I ended up having to have a surgery after that.

744
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: Got to my rookie year, got hitting the knee, had

745
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: an a c L and m CL done. Later that

746
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: year my second year, I ended up having a meniscus

747
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 4: done on my other knee. Then I was finally coming

748
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: back from that, and that's when I ended up doing

749
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: my achilles and then from there.

750
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: From there, that's that's where most people say, Okay, God, sorry,

751
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: but you didn't do that.

752
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: From there, it kind of went down here a little more,

753
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: but it's still was pretty rough.

754
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: I ended up coming to Dallas the one year.

755
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys remember where I had

756
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: both of them cast on my thumbs.

757
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: I was playing. I remember both of my thumbs was

758
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: torn that whole year.

759
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: I got a degenerated disc in my back currently, you know, so,

760
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 4: I mean it's getting better.

761
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: It's getting better.

762
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: It's not as major as it was, so it's getting better.

763
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: But you know, like I said, that's the good thing

764
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: about the game. You know, as much as you know

765
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: it gives us, you know, financially and you know, being

766
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 4: able for us, pride for our family at all, you

767
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 4: always give something back.

768
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: But you have to really you must really love playing football.

769
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: I do. I do. I enjoy it.

770
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: Like I said, there's nothing like you know, waking up

771
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: on Sundays and being the only thing that people watching.

772
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: And I mean, obviously.

773
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: Just as much as the wins is great, you know,

774
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: the loses kind of cool sometimes too, because it teaches

775
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: you about yourself, you know what I'm saying, the aspect

776
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 4: of you know, a lot of people lose and you

777
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: know they're sore sports and you know they want to

778
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: shut it down.

779
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And.

780
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, it's one way you can take

781
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: about it. You can be a sore sported about it,

782
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: get back in the gym and go beat who beat you.

783
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: You know, we play rivals.

784
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: Multiple times throughout our division and other guys that I

785
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 4: feel like is our rivals in the NFC, and it's like, man,

786
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: get multiple chances against those guys to.

787
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: Go out there and show them all Right.

788
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: I went back and I did my scout and know

789
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: whatevery case may be, to be able to come back

790
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: to overperform the win the next time I get to

791
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: play you.

792
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: So that's the beauty of it for me. So nah,

793
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: I guess you said, I love it.

794
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: You know, even with the injuries, you know, they taught

795
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 4: me a lot too going through those you know, those

796
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 4: the darkest times of my life, you know, going through

797
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 4: those first five years of my career, but you know

798
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: it taught.

799
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: Me that, you know, capable of getting through anything. You know,

800
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: I got through all those injuries and came back, and.

801
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: You know how I feel like a good career here

802
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 4: in Dallas.

803
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: And you know that's all anybody.

804
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 4: Can asked for us to be able to come back

805
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: and behalf the person.

806
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: They was before their injury.

807
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: And I feel like I came back and overachieved that.

808
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: So you know, like I said, anything for me now

809
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: is just added on the cheery on top for the

810
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: blessings that I already got for me to still being

811
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 4: able to come here and still being considered, you know,

812
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 4: one of the guys that you know a later on

813
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: the defense of the Dallas Cowboys or you know, one

814
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 4: of the starting safeties in the NFL.

815
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: I just think I think it's important for people to

816
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: hear that story because that's there are lessons in there

817
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: for everybody, whatever you do. And yet it turns out

818
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: that we're sitting on the biggest story.

819
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's also an author. You can add that

820
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: to Yeah.

821
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 3: No, I think we need to get to that right now.

822
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's called When the Smoke Learns my Name. Talk

823
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 6: to us about that book and where the.

824
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: Name came from writing it.

825
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: No, it's basically done now.

826
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: I got my final copy to kind of finalize if

827
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: it's officially done, because it was small eras that I

828
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 4: had to tweak. But I got a rough draft copy

829
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 4: already done, so i'll price it like the next.

830
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: Two weeks I have it officially.

831
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: But it's just kind of like a little background story

832
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: to kind of introduce myself, you know, as a person,

833
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: what I kind of grew.

834
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: Up around, my environment and just.

835
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 4: Stuff like that, and what I've been going through obviously,

836
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 4: you know, throughout my career and stuff too.

837
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of other books I got coming

838
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: out too.

839
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: That's just the I guess, the start of one, just

840
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: to kind of get people a intro myself. But I

841
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: got a couple other books coming out to one of

842
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: them going to be to a mental health book, just

843
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 4: about you know, what a lot of athletes go through,

844
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 4: you know, whether it be game day, family stuff, or

845
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be. So it's definitely some interesting stuff.

846
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 4: If you like poetry. It ain't like one of those

847
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: books that you read and you know just a regular

848
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: book is actually a poetry book.

849
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: So definitely check it out whenever you guys, you know,

850
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: see me.

851
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: Hold on, okay, when the smoke? Where does what's that

852
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: all about?

853
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: It's just about the adversity I've been through, you know,

854
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 4: obviously growing up. You know my mom she raised me

855
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: and my four siblings by herself. I got two older

856
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: sisters and two orders I mean, two younger brothers, and uh,

857
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: just upcoming adversity, you know, being able to show what

858
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: made me the type of person I am, the type

859
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: of guy I am outside of the football player, and

860
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 4: also just.

861
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: Kind of showing people too what made me and showed me.

862
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: I guess the roads to my athletic career because I

863
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 4: didn't just start playing sports. I actually watched my sister

864
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 4: play basketball, my cousins play football and stuff like that

865
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: is kind of what got me into it. So it's

866
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: just a lot of you know, good gems and stuff

867
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 4: like that. Like I said, if you just like good

868
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: poetry too, just some good poetry in there.

869
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: Always written poetry.

870
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, my mom always wrote a lot of poetry and

871
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 4: stuff like that.

872
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: So you know, I always grew up.

873
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: I wasn't that good at first, but the order I

874
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: got and just listening to you know, poets over and over,

875
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 4: you know, I kind of got better at it. And

876
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: a lot of my friends like it and stuff like that.

877
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: And posted on social media and people you know obviously

878
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: react to it.

879
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 4: So just kind of like all right, just but the

880
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 4: crazy thing is it's just me. I guess it's explaining

881
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: stuff that I to see go through or you know,

882
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: just everyday life stuff, but just being able to put

883
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: words behind it.

884
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: You are, you are writing this book that's almost finished,

885
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 3: and you're writing a couple more, sir.

886
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: I probably because I mean right now, my phone alone,

887
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: I probably got like five hundred of them.

888
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: Sure, I've written a book. It's hard even if it's

889
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: something you know a lot about. Yeah, and you do

890
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: you have a ghostwriter for any of this? Er, you're

891
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 3: just writing it all yourself.

892
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 4: No, it's easy because it's like I said, it's it's

893
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 4: like my story of what I see and stuff like that.

894
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: But it's just being able to kind of play with

895
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: the words to make it to where I can have

896
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: whoever's reading it fitting the shoes of what I'm telling

897
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: so well.

898
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's just you know, I've been not

899
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 4: saying these books. It's just all the books I wrote,

900
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: like in one year, Like and even when I say books, like,

901
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 4: it's just I got a bunch of poems, but I

902
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: just got to put them to where I want him to.

903
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: Master the books that ill, you know, the pieces that

904
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: I want him to be in. But yeah, I mean

905
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: I probably got like four or five.

906
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: Hundred of them, uh nah, because it's like it just

907
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 4: depends on the phase of my life I was in. Like,

908
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 4: and it's funny because I write them all like I

909
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: have him on my phone and then I write him

910
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: in my notebook too, just so when I look back

911
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: on him, I can be like, all right, this was

912
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: the phase of my life and I felt like I

913
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: was dealing with this to kind of remind me of

914
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: what I've overcame or you know, where I've come from.

915
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like a memory thing. But favorite

916
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: poet Rudy Francisco. Rudy Francisco. I've been watching him for

917
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: years now, actually been to a couple of his shows

918
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: here in Dallas, and it's just amazing poet.

919
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: Uh, just the way he rewards.

920
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 4: Things of being able to paint a picture for people.

921
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: So I've been following him for years.

922
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: And then my mom too at first, like she was

923
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: my very first poet.

924
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 4: I still got her first poem that she ever wrote

925
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 4: that she sent me so still to this day that

926
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: one of my favorite boths.

927
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: This is the Malake Hooker. You did not know. And

928
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: we're not done with this partor our final break, and

929
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: we'll be right back with Malaik Hooker on the Miller

930
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: like Cowboys Out, I'll tick Lands, Oh Cowboys.

931
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 8: No Cowboys, No Cowboys.

932
00:47:39,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: Hos to the Miller Lite Cowboys Hour, supported by Albert.

933
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: Since that's about to ask a question, Yeah she is,

934
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: Yes she is.

935
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: That was the voice of the poet laureate of the

936
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys Beliegue Hooker. I'm Brad Sham with Nicole Hutchinson

937
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: and we are at Sidecar Social, our final Cowboys hour

938
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: of the season. And yes, young lady, you are next.

939
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 3: Please go because you're wearing your Ohio state sweatshirt.

940
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 6: So yeah, hello, my name is deb and so this

941
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 6: is from one buck eye to another.

942
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: All right, we've shared similar stomping grounds.

943
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 6: I had friends from Newcastle, o Youngstown, Leland.

944
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 3: Would you like us to just leave up here?

945
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 10: I do have a question, since you're onto your you know,

946
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 10: creative side, what don't.

947
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: Your jacket about?

948
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 4: Honestly, this is just I just like no graffiti type

949
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: things as far as no clothing, So I honestly don't know.

950
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 4: I actually got this somewhere U in Dallas.

951
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: I want to say it wasn't we're.

952
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: Down let me let me see it's because this is

953
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: mostly a radio show. So it's a black yeah, is it?

954
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: Let Pleathan know? Like shoots? Is that a brand.

955
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: Shooterst I think so, I'm not sure.

956
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: I just someone someone just gave you a jacket.

957
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: No, I got it, but I just like how I

958
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 4: look like I don't look at the brands and stuff,

959
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 4: because I'm not into like the Donders and all that.

960
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 10: I looked it up and it has to do with

961
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 10: some sort of movie shoot.

962
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: So maybe you were into the film and the movies.

963
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 2: No, I ain't that far yet.

964
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: Hopefully maybe one day down down line, I'll be able

965
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 4: to get in the movie, bro.

966
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 3: But this is all aesthetics. You just like how it looks.

967
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just like, you know, I'm just kind of

968
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 4: like a stylish dresser type thing.

969
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: As you see a boy my head.

970
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: I do see where we're Would you rank yourself on

971
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: the team in styl of stressors.

972
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: Military as far as that like, because you know, there's

973
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: a lot of guys on the team that really like

974
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 4: are into like the style and the whole fashion week

975
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 4: all that. So I'm probably mid teer with with the team.

976
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 4: But I mean there's a lot of guys in CD.

977
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 2: There's one Ya, there's who else.

978
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 3: Quarterback usually pretty fick together.

979
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he has no choice.

980
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: I remember when when uh curse was here him now,

981
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: he took pride. He wanted people to know and say

982
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: that he did you know him. He was proud of

983
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 3: how he.

984
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: Dressed him him and Nay Shawn. They was both like that.

985
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 4: They still to this day, they're still very fashionable like that.

986
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: They still you know when they go out, still dress

987
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: fashion like that.

988
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: Man, I missed those guys to my guys still to

989
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: this day. Sir, my name is Rambo.

990
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 11: So you've had a pretty successful NFL career. You've obviously

991
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 11: reached the pinnacle of football. What's going to be your

992
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 11: next quest after football?

993
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: Honestly, because I've been not even just football, but in

994
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: athletics for so long. I've been you know, I played

995
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: travel basketball, I played baseball, football, that stuff throughout.

996
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: My whole life. I kind of want to just get a.

997
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: Breather, probably my first year after I'm done, you know,

998
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 4: pour that time back into my family, you know, because

999
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: obviously we haven't got to spend as many holidays and

1000
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: stuff like that with our families, you know, being in

1001
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 4: a professional world as a professional athlete, so it's kind

1002
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: of poured back into them for that year, and then

1003
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: after that, I mean, I don't know exactly.

1004
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: I want to do something with kids to where it's

1005
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: kind of.

1006
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: Like a big brother, big sister program where I can

1007
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 4: kind of pour back into them.

1008
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: And other than that, man, my poetry, thanks my books.

1009
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 11: If you didn't play football, what other sport do you

1010
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 11: excel in?

1011
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: I was good in basketball. I was like miss Pennsylvania

1012
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: player of the year back.

1013
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: In high school.

1014
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, my friend, my friend from Newcastle,

1015
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: she'd be able to tell you, she'd be able to

1016
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: tell you know I was if you background check it.

1017
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: I was pretty successful in basketball. But you know, obviously

1018
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: I'm a lot older, and I don't think I can

1019
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: jump as high as I was back then when I

1020
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: was young.

1021
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: But you know, probably definitely say basketball.

1022
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: But if you were mister Pennsylvania basketball, you had some

1023
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: schools after you wanted you to do that.

1024
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: Man, there was a couple of schools that offered me,

1025
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: but I was so stuck on the Ohio state offering

1026
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: me that I didn't even care about nothing else.

1027
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: Now, why was that because you had you had a

1028
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: lot of big schools coming after you.

1029
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alabama had offered me, I want to say, like

1030
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: a week or two after because they you know, they'd

1031
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 4: be having that Alabama.

1032
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 2: Seven on seven.

1033
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: I went and played pretty solid down there and ended

1034
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: up offered me. But it was just like, uh, I

1035
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: knew I didn't want to leave from back home. Columbus

1036
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 4: is like three hours from back home, and I knew

1037
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go to pitt It's like forty

1038
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: five minutes.

1039
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to be.

1040
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: Far enough that I can you know, grow a little bit,

1041
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: as you know, young man, but also be close enough.

1042
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: To my mom.

1043
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: Penna State offered you.

1044
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't going that far. Not that far, okay.

1045
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody's ever been to Penna State.

1046
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 3: You gotta want to get there.

1047
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still like penn State.

1048
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: Was cool too, but it was just always always had

1049
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 4: a dream of playing either pitt basketball or football or

1050
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: going to Ohio State.

1051
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: So interesting.

1052
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: Once Ohio State offered me, it was like it was

1053
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: done deal for me.

1054
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 2: They was sending a lot of dvs to the league

1055
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: at the time.

1056
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 3: So, yeah, what turned you out to Ohio State as

1057
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 3: a kid in Pennsylvania.

1058
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 4: Uh So the area I'm kind of from from Pittsbe,

1059
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: I mean from Pittsburgh, it's kind of close to real prior,

1060
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 4: so growing up, you know, it was always a Priors

1061
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: f I mean Priors fan from back home, so you know,

1062
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: from then it was just like, you know, went to

1063
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: Braxton and then you know, getting there myself and being

1064
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: a part of the guys that you were seeing before

1065
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 4: then just makes you more of.

1066
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: A fan, you know.

1067
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 4: And if you be there, I mean, if you've been

1068
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 4: there on campus and you've been around some of the

1069
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 4: guys that you know was a part of that that

1070
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: culture and that legacy, then you'll understand why because it

1071
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 4: kind of reminds me here, you know, how special it

1072
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: was with you know, the adversity that we fought back

1073
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: from that year and just the corderie that the guys had.

1074
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: So they always definitely.

1075
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: Hold a special heart, I mean special place in my heart.

1076
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: All Right, Dallas.

1077
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 9: Once the season shuts down, what is your off season?

1078
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 9: When do you when do you shut down your everything

1079
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 9: you do? And then when do you get back into

1080
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 9: working out and getting.

1081
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: Ready for the season again.

1082
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 4: For me, because I'm older now, I kind of try

1083
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 4: to stay doing something the whole time. Like I'm not

1084
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 4: saying I'm not just gonna be out there doing football

1085
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: drills the whole off season, but I kind of, you know,

1086
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: still try to lift a little bit and kind of

1087
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 4: jog on the traadmill stuff like that, just to stay

1088
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 4: somewhat active probably throughout because you go right back in April.

1089
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 4: I want to say, so you probably get maybe a month,

1090
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 4: depending on how much time you want to take off.

1091
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: But other than that, I mean, you're you're pretty much

1092
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 4: training here around and tell people all the time you

1093
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 4: really pay attention to how our schedule is. You might

1094
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 4: as well say where you're around because only time we

1095
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 4: really get off is right before camp and then this

1096
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 4: month off if your team that ain't in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Thanks all the theres, M Kitty.

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00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 10: I liked that song that you have for your first

1099
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 10: dance when we were young, but you and I ko.

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00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 2: What song when we were young? When we were young? Yeah?

1101
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: What about it? Yeah?

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00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 10: I like that song. It's really nice. It goes fitting

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00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 10: with you and your wife. Just curious of the eighty

1104
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 10: eight guess that you had at your wedding. Were there

1105
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 10: any Cowboy players that were there?

1106
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, half the team I think that year was there.

1107
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: It was because there's a picture somewhere online. I don't

1108
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 4: even know how the picture got got around, but it

1109
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: was like me, it was Neville Zeke was there, jayron Kurs,

1110
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis, Donovan Wilson, Jayer Thomas.

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00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: Uh let me thinking who else?

1112
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: Uh?

1113
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: Neville get Gallamore. There's a couple other guys during Armstrong.

1114
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: There was a couple of guys that we had on

1115
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: the team that year that was there.

1116
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: It was like at least like twenty five minimum, I

1117
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 4: want to say, so definitely, there was no way that

1118
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 4: guys wasn't I mean, it wasn't going to be there,

1119
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: Like they have no choice unless you ask something to do.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, thank you. I appreciate you.

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00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 6: Favorite memory from your wedding night, wedding.

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00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: Day, easy, he's easy, easy, Okay. All I know is

1123
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 3: what you said.

1124
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: Now you said the world, the world. Let me backtrack

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00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 2: from your wedding reception.

1126
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 3: There you go. Thank goodness.

1127
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 2: We got thirty seconds.

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Speaker 4: Left, so I literally have Yeah, all the guys dancing

1129
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 4: like a circle.

1130
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: You got to see it. It's amazing that for my

1131
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: favorite time.

1132
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1133
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lett Nicoll off this hook right now. Uh a,

1134
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: Malik uh. I'm so impressed with the with who you are,

1135
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: the career that you continue to have. Looking forward to

1136
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: seeing you again next year and and keep going, keep going.

1137
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: Congratulations Malik Hooker, everybody.

1138
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for being

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Speaker 8: Netflit sens