WEBVTT - Episode 443: Was It The Right Move To Send Down Colt Emerson? (Mailbag)

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<v Speaker 1>Episode number four forty three of the Marine Layer Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a mailbag episode, so we'll open it up and

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<v Speaker 1>answer your best listener questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling and we will peach. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the Marine Layer Podcast part of the Just Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>podcast network, recording here on Thursday evening, August thirteen. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there one series into this road trip? Lyle and Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they've proved us right again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, they have.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that was Alvin Davis's speech during fiftieth Weekend, right,

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<v Speaker 2>prove us right. They're unfortunately continuing to prove us right

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<v Speaker 2>because they had two games where they just got outworked

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<v Speaker 2>and outclassed by a Yankees team that's flat out better

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<v Speaker 2>than them, and then you win a one nothing duel

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to a Weston Wilson home run.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, think about that sentence right there.

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<v Speaker 2>You win one nothing in Yankee Stadium thanks to a

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<v Speaker 2>Weston Wilson home run to win one lowly game in

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<v Speaker 2>the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>Pop the champagne cause for celebration.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen credit to Logan Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 2>He pitched his tailoff and he outdueled Max Freed, bullpen

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<v Speaker 2>held it down. This isn't a pitching knock, but good

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<v Speaker 2>god man, one run and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>How you win.

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<v Speaker 1>The I wanted signs on this road trip while I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching these games that the Mariners have a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>turn their seats and a round ers. Frankly, at this

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<v Speaker 1>point save their season. There wasn't anything in New York

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<v Speaker 1>that suggested they were saving their season. The reaction after

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<v Speaker 1>the first two losses for the Mariners in this series

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<v Speaker 1>where the exact same as the losses over the fiftieth weekend. Depressing, frustrating,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately a team that's just not as good as

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<v Speaker 1>the best teams in the American League, the teams they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna need to beat to get into the postseason. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, this Yankees team is at like half strength.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no judge. I don't think Cody Bellinger was playing

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend either. They're they're far from full strength right

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<v Speaker 1>now and clearly better than the Mariners are. I really

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<v Speaker 1>wish we had a more optimistic take to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of the series, but no, there was not really one.

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<v Speaker 2>And you got the worst starter in the Yankees rotation

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<v Speaker 2>in this series two and Will Warren and you scored

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<v Speaker 2>some runs on them, but you still lost the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in this series, you miss Judge, you miss Bellinger,

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<v Speaker 2>you miss Stanton, you miss Schlitler because you didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to face them in their turn in the rotation and

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<v Speaker 2>to face Garrett Cole and you still only won one

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<v Speaker 2>of three in which you scored one run in your win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and look, they might play well this week and

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<v Speaker 1>against the Astros, they very well might take two of three,

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<v Speaker 1>because frankly, the Astros are the one team the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>have consistently beat this season. They played eight times and

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<v Speaker 1>they've won seven of those games. Even though the Astros

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<v Speaker 1>are a little bit healthier now. Maybe the Mariners just

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<v Speaker 1>match up better with the Astros than they do with

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<v Speaker 1>other teams. But going into this weekend, if the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>just take what two of three against the Astros, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough at this point. The Mariners need to get

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<v Speaker 1>into a habit now. If they're gonna save their season,

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<v Speaker 1>they need to start sweeping teams, preferably sweeping teams in

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<v Speaker 1>their own division. It would be a great start if

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<v Speaker 1>they sweep the Astros. If they go out on the

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<v Speaker 1>road and they look dominant against the Astros, I might

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<v Speaker 1>have just the slightest more optimism when we sit down

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night to date until I see that, though, I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because if you only win two of three in Houston,

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<v Speaker 2>and by the way, that's assuming you win two of three,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they do, you're still four games back with

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<v Speaker 2>just thirty seven games to play. And in those thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven games, you get the Brewers for three, you get

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<v Speaker 2>the Cubs for three, so that's six. You get the

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<v Speaker 2>Phillies for three, that's nine, you get the Red Sox

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<v Speaker 2>for three, that's twelve. And if you want to count

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<v Speaker 2>the Blue Jays, two o them in Toronto, So then

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen of you're remaining thirty seven games is against those

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<v Speaker 2>teams and you'd need to make up four games in

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<v Speaker 2>those thirty seven, not just hold ground, not just tread water.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd have to make up ground and against those teams

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<v Speaker 2>on the road at Benway, on the road of Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 2>on the road in Toronto, home against the Cubs and Phillies.

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<v Speaker 3>Oof.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at least Dan had plenty good answers after the games.

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<v Speaker 3>Good lord. We can get to that in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will just say the Mariners have not won

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<v Speaker 2>a series against the team with a winning record since

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<v Speaker 2>the end of May, when they beat the Diamondbacks at home,

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<v Speaker 2>when they swept the Diamondbacks. Really, I mean, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go through the schedule. We're just sitting here, two

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<v Speaker 2>friends talking ball with a with a few people hopefully listening.

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<v Speaker 3>We can listen. We can go through the schedule right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to go through their schedule since they last

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<v Speaker 2>beat the Diamondbacks in May, so you go to June.

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<v Speaker 2>Here are the series they've won the Mets at home.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Mets don't have a winning record. No,

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<v Speaker 2>they let's see what's the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Series as who they began that win streak with. Definitely

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a winning record. They've they've been awful.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and the and the.

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<v Speaker 2>A's series win was before the Diamondbacks because that was

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<v Speaker 2>part of that win streak.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was part of the win streak.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the start of the eight game win streak.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, yeah, because they got the A's and then

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<v Speaker 3>the Diamondbacks. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, anyway, you lost the series of the Tigers is

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<v Speaker 2>still in June. You split with the Orioles, you lost

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<v Speaker 2>to the Nationals. You beat the Orioles but they had

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<v Speaker 2>a losing record at the time, lost the series to

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox, lost the series to the Pirates, lost

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<v Speaker 2>the series to the Guardians. Beat the Angels. Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 2>you swept them. They certainly are not above five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>as we know. You beat the Blue Jays, who were

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<v Speaker 2>not above five hundred when they played that series. They're

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<v Speaker 2>still not above five hundred now. Then you get swept

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<v Speaker 2>by the Marlins, lose to a three to the Rays.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it's the All Star break. You win the Giants

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<v Speaker 2>series under five hundred, lose to the Reds, lose to

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<v Speaker 2>the Rangers, lose to the Dodgers, beat the Twins in

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<v Speaker 2>two or three under five hundred, lose to the Tigers,

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<v Speaker 2>lose to the Rays lose to the Yankees. They have

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<v Speaker 2>not won a series against the team over five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>in two and a half months since the end of

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<v Speaker 2>May against the Diamondbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>And technically that could change. And what's funny about this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing is I the Diamondbacks is like, great, they're

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<v Speaker 1>above five hundred? Are they really like that good?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Are the diamond Is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that like a series? You want to like plant

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<v Speaker 1>your flag in and say, man, I'm happy the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>won that series against the Diamondbacks. That that really showed

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the league how serious the Mariners are. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks have a considerably better record than the Mariners,

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<v Speaker 1>but these days that's not that hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh dude.

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<v Speaker 2>The only series they've won on the road against the

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<v Speaker 2>team over five hundred this year is the last time

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<v Speaker 2>they played the Astros. And by the way, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even think the Astros were over five hundred during that

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<v Speaker 2>series the last time.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think they were in last place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were seventeen and twenty eight by the end

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<v Speaker 2>of that series. They're over five hundred now, They certainly

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<v Speaker 2>weren't over five hundred then. And aside from those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if the Mariners even won another series on

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<v Speaker 2>the road against a team that's over five hundred this year,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at April. I don't think they have. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they swept the Cardinals, who were over five hundred barely

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<v Speaker 2>at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we sit down.

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<v Speaker 1>They're barely over five hundred right now, they're sixty one

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>So the point being is when you're grasping for straws

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Mariners' best roads series wins of the

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<v Speaker 2>year or over the Astros and the Cardinals, and their

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<v Speaker 2>best series win of the year is like, essentially, in

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<v Speaker 2>the last.

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<v Speaker 1>The Brave Series was the best series win of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, yes it was in the last three months. Your

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<v Speaker 2>best series win is over the Diamondbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, this is assuming you're trying to put

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<v Speaker 2>on the assumption that hey, if they win two of

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<v Speaker 2>three in Houston, that's still not enough, just like let

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<v Speaker 2>alone a sweep. No, there's not even a guarantee they

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<v Speaker 2>win two of three. And by the way, you lose

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<v Speaker 2>this series in Houston, I'll stamp it right here.

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<v Speaker 3>You lose the series in Houston, the season is over.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>You lose you lose two of three or worse, you

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<v Speaker 2>are minimum six back with thirty seven to go.

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<v Speaker 3>And the rest of that August schedule looming.

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<v Speaker 2>You lose this series, you're done. You gotta win this series.

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<v Speaker 2>It all, it all rides on this weekend. At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>you have got to go win this series.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent agree. I honestly, they need to win

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<v Speaker 1>every series for the rest of the season. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the math on Wednesday's podcast listener. Desmond and I were

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<v Speaker 1>going through it while we were sitting there at the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall getting ready to tape the podcast on Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 1>But like to get the Mariners to eighty five wins,

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<v Speaker 1>they essentially need to win two out of every three

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<v Speaker 1>games the rest of the season. They essentially need to

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<v Speaker 1>win every series just to get to eighty five wins.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the kind of hill the Mariners are standing at

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<v Speaker 1>right now. So yeah, I mean, it's bare minimum that

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<v Speaker 1>they need to win the series next but you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they need to sweep because they need to

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<v Speaker 1>start making up considerable ground if we're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>any real sort of change.

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<v Speaker 2>And even if you sweep the Astros, then you have

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<v Speaker 2>to hold serve against the Brewers, because if you go

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<v Speaker 2>sweep in Houston and then get swept in Milwaukee, who's

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<v Speaker 2>not only the best team in baseball by record, but

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<v Speaker 2>the best offense in baseball, you go get swept in Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 2>you just wiped away every piece of ground you made up,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in your own record, because three wins will

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<v Speaker 2>have been negated by three losses. So you would have

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<v Speaker 2>to go sweep in Milwaukee and then you have to

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<v Speaker 2>hold Serve in or sorry, you'd have to go to sweep

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<v Speaker 2>in Houston and then hold serve in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 1>So they would need we need So five of six

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<v Speaker 1>is what we're saying. They need to win five of

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<v Speaker 1>their next six games to save for us to not

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<v Speaker 1>declare their season over by the end of the road trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean if you sweep Houston and you lose two

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<v Speaker 2>of three in Milwaukee, I mean we can check in

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<v Speaker 2>on how Houston's doing during the week because if they

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<v Speaker 2>match up win loss wise with the Mariners, then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you're still around two or three back and it's still

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<v Speaker 2>in range. But yes, like roughly five of six and

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<v Speaker 2>you need all three wins against the Astros.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you this weekend did not suggest much

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<v Speaker 1>that the Mariners were gonna go get five of six

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<v Speaker 1>wins in the next two series. But I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>feel better about them facing the Astros. But the American

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<v Speaker 1>League West sucks, so great, congratulations to them. Anything else

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to.

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<v Speaker 2>The mail bag, Well, it's like you said, at least

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<v Speaker 2>Dan had some really awesome answers. Every postgame in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bronx was just that was that was a riveting time,

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<v Speaker 2>a riveting old time.

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<v Speaker 1>Would I be lying if I said I actually look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to like what he has to say after the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I do too, because I simply wait to hear if

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna get a tough one or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you listen for that, but I actually listened

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<v Speaker 1>for like the quotes, not because I'm actually interested in

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<v Speaker 1>like the meaning of what he has to say, Because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone listening to this could could essentially sum up how

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<v Speaker 1>Dan would answer any single question. Or it's like find

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<v Speaker 1>x positive out of the negativity of the question and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it and then don't acknowledge anything else. That's

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<v Speaker 1>essentially how he answers everything. But where he like talks

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<v Speaker 1>about that, he like liked the matchup of Michael Rucker

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<v Speaker 1>on on what was that Wednesday?

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<v Speaker 3>Tuesday?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, it's Tuesday. Sorry that he like liked the

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<v Speaker 1>matchup of Michael Rucker and the seventh inning against the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees on Tuesday. I mean, you honestly just have to

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<v Speaker 1>respect a master at work.

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<v Speaker 3>At that point, I was wondering where you were going

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<v Speaker 3>with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, you like to see how he can

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<v Speaker 2>trip over himself with his words, That's what you were getting.

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<v Speaker 1>At sure, But even like again at this point, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like you said, it's like watching Picasso paint with

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<v Speaker 2>these postgame pressers.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when he says we liked the matchup of Michael Rucker,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to acknowledge we recorded very shortly after

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<v Speaker 2>the end of Tuesday's game, and we were taping with

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<v Speaker 2>our friends over at Queen Anne Beer Hall and with Corona,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a blast to everybody that came out, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>But we were taping shortly after then. I realized the

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<v Speaker 2>next morning just how disastrous that decision was because we

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<v Speaker 2>simply thought to ourselves at the time, well, spire was down.

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<v Speaker 2>Ferrera had already pitched, you gotta do something. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not realize Michael Rucker was giving up a nine to

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<v Speaker 2>ninety one ops against left handed batters this season, nine

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<v Speaker 2>ninety one. And by the way, he's got a rod

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<v Speaker 2>ops against of eight fifty two, so he's not good

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<v Speaker 2>on the road, and he's even worse against lefties. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know you inspired down and unavailable, but your next

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<v Speaker 2>best option is the guy who's getting crushed into oblivion

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<v Speaker 2>by lefties, and you had him face two lefties. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we doing? And then we we liked the matchup? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what about it? Because when you say we like the

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<v Speaker 2>matchup and provide no context, it makes you and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else around you look worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that in itself is objectively terrible. What's also bad

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<v Speaker 1>in that spot is like the only the two guys

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<v Speaker 1>you essentially could have, I mean, not even convinced yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Mariners are in a position with their bullpend

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<v Speaker 1>that socially and Brian will only goes five, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to cover four innings. There's not I guess as many

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<v Speaker 1>good options as you'd like when you need your down

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<v Speaker 1>one reliever, especially when you would have definitely used in

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<v Speaker 1>that spot. I guess it would have been like Josh

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<v Speaker 1>sim saying, like Josh Simpson did in pitch the sixth

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<v Speaker 1>then he did he on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think he pitched it all in this series.

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<v Speaker 3>If I have that, I no Freer.

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<v Speaker 1>Pitched the sixth inning on on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think. I don't think Simpson pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I hate to say it, because he has

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<v Speaker 2>not inspired confidence so far, but that is probably domingas

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<v Speaker 2>a spot or it should have been. He's not great

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<v Speaker 2>against lefties either, but at least he strikes batters out.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets swing and miss sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, that's I think that. That's my second point here,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like, I don't think the Mariners trust Sir

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Dimingez at all. Well, then he's been pitching in

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<v Speaker 1>mop up duty.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, then it's sure a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They added no other relievers at the deadline and also

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<v Speaker 2>picked up the ten and a half million bucks on

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<v Speaker 2>his contract next year.

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<v Speaker 3>It is just awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It is really awesome that that was their one reliever

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<v Speaker 2>that they added, tried to like promote him and tried

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<v Speaker 2>to like spin him publicly as a leverage guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>now he's pitching in mop up and you let Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Rucker in his tent is ten hundred ops against lefties pitching, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, because in some order they would have had to

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<v Speaker 1>like throw I don't know, they would have to put

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<v Speaker 1>Bizart to win instead of him, who's also really really

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<v Speaker 1>really struggled, and then maybe you go to Domingas and

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<v Speaker 1>an inning later in the eighth inning. I don't know, man, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>they're bullpen. It's just like it's a mess. It's there's

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<v Speaker 1>if they're gonna refuse to pitch Andres Munos before the

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<v Speaker 1>ninth inning, which they clearly have. He has barely thrown

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<v Speaker 1>the last like two months because he he's just being

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<v Speaker 1>saved for the ninth inning with the lead, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners are ten and twenty three in their last thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three games, so literally only ten possible games he could

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<v Speaker 1>throw in in that in that incense. So it just

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<v Speaker 1>leaves the Mariners in a terrible spot, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>they just leave someone who's just not good at that

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<v Speaker 1>at all to manage the whole scenario. It really is

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<v Speaker 1>just it is a great way to celebrate fifty seasons

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<v Speaker 1>of Mariners baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, we can get to the mailbag. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean What else are we gonna say about the series?

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<v Speaker 2>It was good they won one game, they stole won

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<v Speaker 2>by scoring one run. But what else are you gonna say?

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<v Speaker 2>It comes down to this weekend. You've got to sweep

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<v Speaker 1>mail bag and asks do you guys think someone like

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Turner would have helped the m's clubhouse, motivation, culture, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to add him to this team.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he mean adam to the team as a player,

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<v Speaker 2>Because look, Justin Turner was great in the half season

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<v Speaker 2>he was here, but he ran out a seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>ops plus with the Cubs last year at forty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I think he's playing in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>So how are stats in Mexico?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that? Can you find those?

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<v Speaker 1>I never like those are on reference.

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<v Speaker 2>I've looked, but I think sometimes it's just the winner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, look at this Tijuana Justin Turner. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>credit to him. He's got an eight to sixty four

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<v Speaker 2>ops down in Tijuana and he's hitting nearly three hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out JT, shout out the Red Dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, would you rather have Justin Turner or

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Refsnyder this season?

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<v Speaker 3>Dude? It can't be worse, right, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean if if JT repeated, if JT repeated his

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two ops plus again this year, that's like triple

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<v Speaker 2>what Rob Refsnyder was putting up. So yeah, and eight

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<v Speaker 2>percent worse than the league average.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, you know, I think that a twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Turner on the bench would have helped in a

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<v Speaker 1>number of ways. It would have helped the Mariner's bench

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<v Speaker 1>get better, because the Mariner's bench is horrendous and atrocious

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<v Speaker 1>to season and gives them zero flexibility when pinch hitting,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be injuries or just underperformance. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>think the clubhouse leadership part of it is one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>We compare the season to twenty twenty three a decent

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<v Speaker 1>bit Besides, you know, the win loss record, the disappointment

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<v Speaker 1>of those two seasons are pretty similar. One thing it's

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<v Speaker 1>clear both of these teams were missing is they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really have that sturdy, veteran presence in the clubhouse when

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<v Speaker 1>things aren't going well. In twenty twenty two, the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>had Carlos Santana. Carlos Santana was very into girl, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with rookie Julio Rodriguez. In twenty twenty four, Justin Turner

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<v Speaker 1>was added. They didn't end up making the playoffs, but

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<v Speaker 1>guys gushed about Justin Turner. Last year you had cal

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<v Speaker 1>when you had sixty home runs, it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>easier to lead. Everyone looks at you. It's like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's historic. Great. But in twenty three and twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not. Don't quite have that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and you had Gino at the end of twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>To two, right, that definitely helps.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, you don't have that guy this year. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think at all serious and as Justin Turner

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<v Speaker 2>can still really be playing meaningful time in the big leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a reason he's just playing in Mexico now.

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<v Speaker 2>He's probably just trying to hang on and doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to quite quit baseball yet. And I'm guessing he'll be done,

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<v Speaker 2>if not after this season. Maybe he plays one more

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<v Speaker 2>year internationally. But would I entertain the idea of Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Turner being on the staff as like some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>hitting coach and some role as a hitting coach. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd probably be really good at that, like maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>the main guy without having any experience of doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>but as some role. Yeah, like moving forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, well, I hear the Maritors could use an assistant

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<v Speaker 1>hitting coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you mean an assistant to the assistant hitting coach,

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<v Speaker 2>because you remember Teach they fired their third hitting coach

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<v Speaker 2>and that fixed everything.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to call Edgar the hitting coach. Yeah, sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would look.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if Justin Turner will coach one day, and

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<v Speaker 2>if he decides to get into coaching, Yeah, he'd probably

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<v Speaker 2>be a really good presence for the guys in that clubhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he gonna come work for the Mariners.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean he did.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say his last impression publicly acknowledging the Mariners,

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<v Speaker 1>he essentially was calling them cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his remember the exact words. It was put on

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of quote cards. He said, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing? Are you trying?

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like simwhere he's just dying to come work.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he wasn't wrong when he said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to Justin Turner two, by the way, Like

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<v Speaker 1>the dude has made plenty of money. He could just

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<v Speaker 1>hang it up and retire, and instead he's just playing

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<v Speaker 1>in Tijuana. Like, yeah, that'd before him, Like that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's when you know, it's like it's for the

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<v Speaker 1>love of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, no doubt, which is why I think he

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<v Speaker 3>might get into coaching.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Next question comes from Alex on Patreon. Alex's

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<v Speaker 1>question is could we be concerned about Colt Emerson's long

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<v Speaker 1>term development? Do you think he would still be up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Mariners if JP were healthy. Well, we got

0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 1>an answer to this one today.

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 2>We did because after the game on Thursday, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>probably saw the Mariners option Colt Emerson down to tripa A.

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:16.680
<v Speaker 3>They called it brock Rotten, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations to him because he's about to make his big

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<v Speaker 2>league debut at some point this weekend. But yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not shocked they made the move because it was just

0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 2>time for Cult to get a reset, and it was

0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.919
<v Speaker 2>time for him to just get some confidence back and

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<v Speaker 2>see the ball land on grass and see the ball

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 2>land over the fence and again just have a little

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.359
<v Speaker 2>bit of a mental like again, I think reset's the

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 2>best word, a mental reset. But concerned about Cult's long

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<v Speaker 2>term development, No, I'm not. I know it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>rough stretch over the last six weeks, and I know

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 2>it hasn't been perfect in his rookie year, but he's

0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty years old or now twenty one. He's so talented,

0:22:57.840 --> 0:22:59.639
<v Speaker 2>he's got such a good head on him. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not like Kelnick, where he was very, very mentally fragile,

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and people knew that early on, basically at the first

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 2>sign of his struggles. That's not how Colt Emerson's wired.

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 2>And I think moving forward he's gonna be totally fine.

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.679
<v Speaker 2>But am I shocked they sent him to Tacoma. No,

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<v Speaker 2>because the reset's not the end of the world for

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<v Speaker 2>him and probably not the worst thing for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not shot. I'm not concerned about Colt Emerson's development yet.

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I'd need to see more to actually be concerned,

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 1>because sometimes rookies struggle doesn't matter. Yeah, twenty one, twenty four,

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 1>Like it's your first experience in Major League Baseball and

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 1>you could be overwhelmed, And it is clear that Colt

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Emerson is really overwhelmed. I also just think the Mariners

0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 1>couldn't afford to have his bat in the lineup anymore.

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 1>It was just untenable the last two months. He has

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.919
<v Speaker 1>a WRC plus of twenty two. You can't have that.

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:56.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, since July first. I'm not kidding, it's eight. He

0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 2>is the WRC plus of eight since July.

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:02.640
<v Speaker 1>First, and we can't It's hard for us to justify

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:04.399
<v Speaker 1>him being in the lineup. I know we say he

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 1>makes them better because of the defense. But when you

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 1>have a WRC plus of eight essentially in the last

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.400
<v Speaker 1>month and a half, and you and I are pounding

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the table saying like everything he's about twenty two needs

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to be about twenty twenty six, then this move was

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 1>about twenty twenty six right now. For the big league club,

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.399
<v Speaker 1>and I think for Cole Emerson like he needs to be,

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>he needs to be reminded that he doesn't suck at

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the plate. He needs to go down to Tacoma, put

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the barrel on the baseball and be a confident hitter

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 1>at the plate again, and probably like Hoan is in

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.479
<v Speaker 1>his approach again, because when you're struggling as much as

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 1>he is at the big league level, you can get

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>out of your approach after one pitch, you get a call,

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you take a accidentally take a fastball right down the middle,

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.400
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, crap, I was supposed to crush

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that pitch, and then he's in his head the rest

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 1>of the at bat. He needs to get back to

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 1>what made him made him so great down in Tacoma,

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and if he's still got some developing to do against fastballs,

0:24:58.080 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>he's just gonna have to do it the next time

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.120
<v Speaker 1>he's up at the big league level, which I think

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>you are a little more optimistic about how soon he'll

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>be up than I am. You said a couple of

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>weeks till rosters expand I wouldn't be shocked if we

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>just kind of wait until the Triple A season is

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>over and then they add cold back. He's already been

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 1>on the forty man and on the big league roster,

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:20.680
<v Speaker 1>so you can add him to a hypothetical playoff roster

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>if you need to. So that part I'm not really

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 1>worried about. I just need Colt to get a feet

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>under him, and I need the Mariners to have a

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.439
<v Speaker 1>shortstop who doesn't have a WRS plus an eight in

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the lineup.

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 3>But if he.

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Comes back on September first, when rosters expand, that's two

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and a half weeks down in Tacoma, and.

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I might leave him down there the rest of the season.

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not like he's it's not like he's

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 1>just struggling at the big league level. He's not a

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 1>big league bat right now. I don't know how I

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know how else we can we can describe it.

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 1>He's not and I don't think I don't think two

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and a half weeks is going to change that.

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 2>We'll see how the two and a half weeks. If

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 2>he's lighting it up, then could be a different story. However,

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the flip side to this is you're gonna have those

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>spots filled now by Leo Revos and Brock Rodden. That

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't scream twenty twenty six either.

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean the point is to upgrade at shortstop.

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>However you're going to do it. But like my question,

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you who else was gonna play short.

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's probably gonna be Jp Crawford again when he

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 2>gets back healthy. Who By the way, there's a reason

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 2>they moved him off that position, and now.

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 3>He's back there.

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play there, it

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>would be spreaded.

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so then you have Leo Rivas and brock Rodden

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.400
<v Speaker 2>playing there. By the way, it's not like brock Rodden's

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 2>lit the world on fire down in Tacoma.

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 3>He really hasn't. He's been fine.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying Leo Rivas and brock Rodden are gonna

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>save the season at shortstop. I'm just saying it does

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners and Cole Emerson no good if he continues

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:03.159
<v Speaker 1>to do what he did at shortstop, and I wouldn't

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.959
<v Speaker 1>be surprised if they they leave it that way for longer.

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I would just warn people that rock Rodden long term

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 2>could be a nice utility infielder for them. Maybe he

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>could learn the corner outfield spots a little and be

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 2>just a utility player long term. Rock Roddin's got a

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>one zh six WRC plus and Tacoma. I mean, that's

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 2>not exactly inspiring confidence that he's gonna come up and

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>mash in the big leagues. And he's an older prospect too,

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 2>he was a fifth round draft pick out of Wichita State.

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 3>So this is where we're at in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>People like, this is your supposed best option now at shortstop.

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, whenever a team gets to their third best option

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>at shortstop, like that's what's gonna happen, Like this is

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>this is the bed the Mariners made themselves. They had

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>a guy in JP Crawford who they thought could at

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>least hit this season, though his defense at short is

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>no good at all. And then their other option was

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>a top five prospect in baseball. Now there's a gamble

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 1>when you promote a prospect like that. You can get

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Kevin McGonagall, who's a top ten player in baseball already

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:17.360
<v Speaker 1>this season, playing the same position as Colt for the Tigers. Well,

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 1>or you can get Colt, who's who's on the polar

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>opposite end of the hitting spectrum to Kevin McGonagall.

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, unfortunately, and I really don't like him, like

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 2>watching him play shortstop defense at this point in his career.

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I know I'm not alone on that, but I do

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like JP just ends up going back to short

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>when he gets healthy. I do because if you do that,

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>it's not a perfect solution. But then Brendan Donovan goes

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 2>back to third, Cole Young's at second. You don't have

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>to have West and Wilson in the lineup every day.

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I guess, JP's defense really is brutal at shortstop

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>these days. But and you guys know that, but offensively

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 2>it might make the most sense.

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>We'll find out when he gets back. Yeah, all right.

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Next question on the mail bag comes from Patrick on Patreon.

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Patrick's question is favorite movies or shows you've been watching

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>or have watched lately. Needs something to fill my time

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 1>since I'm officially done with Maritors games in the evening SMH.

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Can't blame them.

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>We need more questions like this, By the way, if

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the season's gonna keep going like this, We always want

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to take your guys's questions, which is why we do

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>these mail bags. But man feel free to send things

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>like this because we could all use some upbeat, lighthearted

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>talk when the Maritners are playing baseball the way they're playing.

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>So to answer your question, Patrick, I don't think TJ

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>and I have actually gotten to sit down and recap

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 2>much of House with the Dragon. But there's a show

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 2>both of us have definitely been watching. I mean, season

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>three just wrapped up. I'm assuming you also finished it

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>like I did.

0:29:57.800 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's really good.

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I won't give any spoilers, any crazy spoilers, but just

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 2>for a second here, as we're sitting here and talking

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>about the shows we watch, Rania has about as much

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>confidence as Dan Wilson is a queen, doesn't she.

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an insecure ass family man.

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, her confidence level is not high.

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>All of them. It runs, it runs in their blood,

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>all of them, all in all of the essentially in

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>all of the all of the shows about Game of Thrones,

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>like Targarians are a crazy group man like very for

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>all like the things they have, like very insecure group

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and not she She's out there giving a speech to

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>all the people, just like Dan Wilson and making just

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>as much sense.

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Well right after she well, never mind, no spoilers. I

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 3>was about to say something.

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 1>It's just I mean, it's just like it's it's just

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>like Dan too, and like when the game's going on,

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.959
<v Speaker 1>when she's like when she's like work, things are speeding

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>up on her. Yeah, just can't make the right decision

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>in the moment, and she makes the wrong one under

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>pressure in the backfires.

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>It's honestly like you d parallels so that that show

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>has been really good other.

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Than House of the Dragon.

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, if we want to stick on the Seattle theme

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>here with people, what other show have we been watching?

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Hard Knocked but awesome.

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I haven't gotten to watch yet, man, I will so

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>now that the Mariners are on the road, I'm hoping

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll get to watch a couple of the two episodes

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>this week before they released the third one on Tuesday.

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I still haven't gotten to watch. I've just gotten a scene.

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I've seen the clip of McDonald and Emon Worry talking

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>in his in his office, which I mean just it's

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a great insight into like the mindset of Mike McDonald.

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I loved the clip of him like asserting himself on

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the practice field against Arek Hall. I thought that was fabulous.

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's hilarious. I'll tell you.

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 2>That's how episode two starts, and then they show it

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>again later it's it's hilarious and they talk about in

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the episode this is why they love Derek Hall, and

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>it's also why Derek Hall drives him crazy, because like

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>he's so physical and like he's like, you know, he's

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 2>such a grinder, and obviously he never wants to take

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>plays off. But when you're Mike McDonald, yes, of course

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be pissed in August during training camp when

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you're getting near the quarterback and nearly take Sam Donald's

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 2>legs out.

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 3>So I get it. I mean, you're right.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>The clip was hilarious where Derek Hall's pissed that he's

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>getting yanked out of practice. He's like, oh my god,

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 2>like what are we doing? What am I supposed to do?

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 2>And Mike McDonald's like, you can. It's like you can

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>say fuck all you want, you can say it all

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>you want, But turns out I'm running the fucking practice.

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was again.

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.479
<v Speaker 1>And then of the course, people if you go scroll

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the comments and the quote tweets of that post, you

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>will find people saying like man, and people like Dan Wilson.

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I was just about to say it is the polar opposite.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Mike McDonald really is is awesome, by the way, another

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>guy who was not the world's sharpest interview when he

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.959
<v Speaker 2>first started the gig, but man, in two years it

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>has been a total one to eighty.

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 3>I love listening to Mike McDonald talk. I really do.

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 3>He is so insightful, he is so knowledgeable.

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the guy just again like it didn't start

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>that way, but now clearly he's worked on it, and

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 2>he's just such a like he's such a like a

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 2>bottle of knowledge and energy in his own unique way.

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 3>I think it's really cool.

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I can't wait to get watch in Hard

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Knocks so I can really see more of that. So

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I will make it my goal by Tuesday to watch

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>those two episodes of Hard Knocks. The other I've been

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>watching a lot of Drive to Survive because I've been

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>on this f one kick this year. I love. I

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's fabulous, very very very interesting. I've also been

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 1>watching Fallout Fallout, which is really good too, great music

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>in that show. So I think that's those a couple

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of things I've been watching.

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I haven't watched either of those shows. But what

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 3>else have I watched?

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:09.959
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm still due to go see the new

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Mandalorian movie. And you just see the new Spider Man movie.

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen any of.

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 3>That, of you.

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I have seen the Mando movie. It's like, it's fine,

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>It's what you'd expect when they've gotten to this point.

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>They're their best work they've already done on the TV show.

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 1>So I'll just just say that, like, it's a good movie,

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 1>but nothing that's gonna win any awards or anything like that.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>The Spider Man movie, I haven't. No, the only movie

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I've seen recently is the of like the one everyone

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 1>else has seen. I saw The Odyssey nearly had my

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 1>head explode because I was sitting in the third row.

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I don't get to see as many movies

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>these days. I don't wish I could see more.

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't either. Wasn't there already an Odyssey movie? Though?

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was an old one back in like two

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 1>thousand and five. It's not it wasn't called I don't

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>think it was called the Odyssey, right, I think it was.

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.839
<v Speaker 1>It was called something else they can I don't remember

0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the name. Of it, but it told it did tell

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I think parts of the same story, because like, the

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Odyssey is of like and like one of the oldest

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>stories of humanity. Right, It's been written forever, but it

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>was finally actually put into a high production movie.

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 2>So sure you said it, and I'll take your word

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>for it that it's one of the oldest stories.

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you definitely learned that school, didn't you.

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Yep, clearly, I'm sitting here acknowledging it.

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Well. Did you watch did you watch or read Percy

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Jackson at all?

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Oh, those those were really good.

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although there's a lot of the same, a lot

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>of the some of the things Percy did in the

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>second book were like, that's the Odyssey.

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:45.800
<v Speaker 3>What is that one? The Sea of Monsters?

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Right right, that's the Odyssey.

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, dude, I gotta tell you they they really really

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>blew it. About as bad as I've seen any book

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 2>turned a movie blow it. Ever, with those Percy Jackson movies,

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:00.720
<v Speaker 2>with how good those books were, I thought those movies

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 2>were gonna be absolutely off the charts, the same way

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>that Harry Potter was, the same way that The.

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Hunger Games were.

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those were as bad as you can draw

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 2>up those Percy Jackson movies.

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, have you seen the Disney Plus show?

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 3>No, but those movies.

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>It's much better than those movies were.

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, I hope you're right.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that might save some of your disappointment the

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 1>book turn to film because I actually really like those

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>I think they're really good.

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, now we know, thank you Patrick for

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 2>getting us off the Mariners for a couple of minutes.

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, these days, I mean, Mariners aren't making it

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>easy to actually talk about them, so talking about other things,

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Arno is the end of the world?

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 3>All right?

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Michael on Patreon. Michael's question is Okay,

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I hate saying this, but looking forward to twenty twenty seven,

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>aside from the bullpen, where do you look to improve

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>this offense and what players are you looking at to

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>fix this Mariners team?

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 3>There's not a lot.

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this off season market is similar to this

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>trade deadline market, which is it's not very deep. It's

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>just once you get past scooball thin. Now, I do

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>have a couple names. I'm just acknowledging that it's not

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 2>a loaded market this offseason. The two names I will

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>circle one is he in half, and that would be

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 2>a free agent signing.

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Because he is exactly what this team would need.

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Switch hitter, versatile plays in field, plays outfield. Could hit

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>him toward the top of the order if you have to.

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that would be a really good fit. Now,

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>he's thirty two, so you'd have to be a little

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 2>cautious about the money you'd give him, but I would

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 2>say he'd be one option and the other option would

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>be in the final year of his deal. You could

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 2>try and go trade for Yandy Diaz from.

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>The Rais assuming Randy's not back.

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, this is assuming Randy's gone. You bring in

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Yandy and they never have to cross paths. For those

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 2>who don't know, I don't think Yandi and Randy really

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 2>get along.

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:04.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I love the idea of Ian Halp. He might already

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.840
<v Speaker 1>be my favorite player on the market this upcoming off season,

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>especially when you have a void of Randy. I know

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>people are gonna make the case for Michael Royal to

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>play left field, but if I have the choice between

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Michael Arroyo and Ian Hap for twenty twenty seven, I

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>would take Ian Happ. You'd probably have to send him

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>to a three year deal, so you might have a

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>bad year or two even on that contract if you

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>sign him. But I mean, if you go look at

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>his Fangrafts or Baseball Reference page, it's like mister consistent.

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 1>He's not gonna blow you away offensively. But he's never

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.439
<v Speaker 1>sucked ever. He's never had like a bad season. He's

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>always like anywhere from like a win and a half

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to three and a half wins as a baseball player.

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>And he's a plus defender two, which good lord, this

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>team needs more of those on the team.

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:55.399
<v Speaker 2>He's won four straight gold Gloves in left field.

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I would take that every single day in the week.

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going from that from Randy to that will be

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.839
<v Speaker 1>will be a great He won't be totally cheap. We

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 1>were talking about this before. He's not gonna get a

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.479
<v Speaker 1>Randy contract since he's gonna be thirty two next year.

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>If you get him for like three years, he's on

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a three for sixty right now, maybe you get him

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>since he's a little bit older, you get him at

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>three for forty five, three for fifty. Could you stretch

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:22.839
<v Speaker 1>the budget to that? I would think so. Getting Randy

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 1>off the books, like his salary essentially swaps with Randy. Yeah,

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>you would think I'd take that.

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, agreed.

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Other than that, yeah, Yandi Diaz, but that would also

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.439
<v Speaker 2>involve the Rays saying yes to moving him.

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>We got a lot of time though till the offseason,

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>so and we just got done with the trademarkt But

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I'd say early on, I'd say that's a pretty good

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 1>name to look at on this free agent market. But

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>as Lyell list said, it's just not it's not great.

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.439
<v Speaker 1>If you're hoping for this team to get significantly better

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>this offseason, it's probably not gonna come via free agency.

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Have I uh, I haven't said this actually on the podcast.

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I created rules for the Mariners in the off season

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>now that they're not allow to do one thing the

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Mariners will not be doing this offseason, if I have

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 1>any say, is signing a right handed hitting.

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Platoon ba No, never again.

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>They're banned from ever signing a right handed hitter who

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:18.399
<v Speaker 1>only hits lefties. I literally refuse to have another one

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>of those on the roster as a free agent.

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're as bad an OH for three as

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>OH for three can go. Pollock, Solano, Repsneider, three.

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Guys who that was their last season yeah, how does

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>that happen?

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 3>Not great? Not great? Bob.

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to guess what the other two rules are?

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, you told them to me earlier. So do you

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>want me to act dam or do you want to

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 2>just tell the people.

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll just tell the people. The second one is you're

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to hire any former players as either your manager,

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>your GM, or your president of baseball ops. It's just

0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:00.160
<v Speaker 1>not allowed if there's a candidate who has played a

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>single game for the Seattle Mariners. I know we were like,

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>what if they're only here a year? No, I'm setting

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 1>a blanket rule. If you spend a single game in

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a Seattle Mariner's uniform, you're instantly disqualified from every leadership

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 1>role within the organization. Done well.

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about if you play half a season

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 2>or one season.

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Nope, I'm just I'm gonna make it consistent. There's no

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>gray areas. I refuse to allow gray areas in this

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>lysle seeming. The Mariners have made this hard enough, I'm

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna make it easy for them.

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Not allowed, all right, No former players at.

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>All, Donovan Solano, you can you cannot be the Seattle

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Mariners manager. I don't care if you sucked. You're not allowed. Yeah, yes,

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and then my last rule was gosh, oh, I'm gonna

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.440
<v Speaker 1>keep forgetting my rules. I wrote these rules.

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, no platoons, no former players as a manager.

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're not allowed to say the word World Series

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:01.399
<v Speaker 1>until you clinch a playoff spot.

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Ah right, yes, yep, now agreed.

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Let me know how you think. What do you think

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>about those rules? In the comments below. We're gonna probably

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 1>spend a whole offseason assessing how the Mariners follow those rules.

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Alex on Patreon asks is two thousand and two the

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 1>best comparison for this Mariners team. Both came off an

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 1>ALCS loss with the World Series expectations, only to end

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>up third in the division. What should the front office

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>learn from what happened next?

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, except the team in two thousand and two won

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:32.760
<v Speaker 2>ninety three games.

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 3>They just got really unlucky and missed the playoffs.

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the sentiment because I get what he's getting at,

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:41.720
<v Speaker 2>But dude, I would do anything for ninety three wins

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 2>from this team this year.

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Last year's team didn't even win ninety three games.

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>So the team a team was just unlucky.

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, I mean, it was mostly all of the

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one team. Again, it's just the Angels

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>got hot and the A's obviously ripped off twenty in

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 2>a row in two thousand and two. But yeah, I

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 2>would say, I mean, can the front office learn from

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.359
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two that would be a long way

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:07.879
<v Speaker 2>back to go.

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, they can learn that they didn't set themselves up

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>well for the future, which is ironic given some of

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>the conversations we've had and my twenty twenty six focus

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of this baseball team and not considering the years twenty

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven or twenty twenty eight. So like what they

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>can learn is just you need to be better more

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>than just this single year. Yeah, isn't that weird to

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>hear me? Hear me saying that. I think that's what

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 1>they learned. I think they learned that you can't just

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 1>like hedge all your chips on the one, two three

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>season and then they were just bad for another ten

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 1>years and unable to recover that back. So I think

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:59.720
<v Speaker 1>they've set themselves up a little bit better beyond the season.

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 1>But better is you know, a relative term, because in

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three the Mariners also won ninety three games.

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you how many games next year's Mariners

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 1>are gonna win. I don't think they're gonna win ninety

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 1>three games. I've never seen the Mariners win ninety three games.

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that's like. But if I'm gonna

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 1>give a general answer, I'd say, have a have a

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:21.399
<v Speaker 1>better farm system and draft better.

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Agreed.

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>So Ralph on Patreon is next and he asks what

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>do you make of Cal's comments to the media this week,

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 1>in particular his comments about placing the blame on himself.

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I would say there's two elements to this.

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>There's the part of Cal going out of his way

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>to try to take ownership for a lot of what's

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>happened this season. And for that, it's one of the

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>things I always give Cal credit for. He keeps things

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 2>very real. He does not shy away from any real

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he does not shy away from much of anything.

0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 2>He knows it's been a tough go for him this year.

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Even though he is likely playing hurt, He's not making excuses,

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 2>and for that I always commend him.

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 3>But going out of your way to.

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.799
<v Speaker 2>He might feel like he has to, because look, the

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 2>players are online. No matter what they tell you, they

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 2>see things. They see almost everything. I'm sure these guys

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>know that Dan Wilson's getting absolutely torched on the daily.

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 2>So maybe Cal felt, especially because of the relationship that

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.879
<v Speaker 2>him and Dan have, that he needed to just get

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>into the public and try and defend Dan. But I

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, I just don't know how much there

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>is to defend with the way he's managed that those

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>are the two sides of them.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>While Dan's not going to defend himself from these decisions

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>than the leader of the team, Cal Rawley's gonna have to.

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 1>He's doing what leaders do, right, He's going to try

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>and take some responsibility. And frankly, he is right. There

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.959
<v Speaker 1>is no there's been no one who's impacted the team

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 1>by poor play more than Cal this season. That's right. If,

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>as he said, he's sucked offensively, he has, and if

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:08.800
<v Speaker 1>he didn't suck, I think the Mariners would mean a

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>lot better position than they currently are. I totally understand

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that where he says it's not really Dan's fault, I

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>don't really agree with no, not not entirely. There's obviously

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of blame to go around. Dan's not the

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>only one who impacts wins or losses. But yeah, I

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.759
<v Speaker 1>mean that's it's nice that someone is willing to step

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:35.439
<v Speaker 1>up and take accountability for this team. But also like, yeah,

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and like it is what it is at this point,

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>like everyone knows how what it is. Like I appreciate

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.280
<v Speaker 1>cal saying something, but we all see what's happening.

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And honestly, sometimes I think even more so than

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the players. And what I mean by that is not

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 2>that we have more insight than the players or we

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 2>know or we you know, have more baseball knowledge than

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the players. That's not what I'm saying, because I'm say

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 2>these guys are pros, are major leaguers. But we've talked

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 2>about this before. These guys have such a job to

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 2>do on the regular that they're so focused on so

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 2>many specific things that they don't have the time to

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 2>be analyzing bullpen decisions the way we do. And I

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 2>honestly think they don't see or really stop to think

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>about some of the things that go down. But we

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 2>all have the ability to stop and think that, And

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 2>that's why sometimes fans perspective is an interesting one and

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.479
<v Speaker 2>a different one than players, and not always the wrong one,

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 2>because the players do see a side of all this

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 2>that we don't get to see. And I'm sure there's

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 2>things that they like about their clubhouse and like about

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.359
<v Speaker 2>their coaching staff that we don't get to see. There's

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 2>also things that we see, for much more of a

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 2>bird's eye view perspective, that they don't see because they're

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.239
<v Speaker 2>so fixated on certain things. And I don't think they're

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>sitting there analyzing bullpen decisions. If they were, they'd be

0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:57.879
<v Speaker 2>seeing the same thing that we're seeing. It's not rocket science, guys,

0:47:57.920 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and you guys listening all know that.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Right one percent agree. Cameron on Patreon has quite a

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>doozy of a question. He asks, if you had to

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 1>pick one, who would you want on the Mariners next season?

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Option A is just Dan Wilson, Option B is twenty

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 1>twenty two, Abraham Touro, Option C is twenty twenty five,

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Dylan Moore, and Option D is twenty twenty six. Rob Refsnyder.

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, Cameron. This is why we take

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Patreon questions. And I'll just answer for both TJ and I.

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 2>It's Abe Torow twenty twenty two.

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I had the same answer. Actually, you know why you did? Yeah,

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.879
<v Speaker 1>you know why. You know why you know why, because

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you can just option him down to triple A.

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're you're no fun.

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>What I mean? See, let's go through it. Option A.

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Mariners are clearly unwilling to fire Dan Wilson if the

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 1>season requires it. Number one, Uh, Dylan Moore twenty twenty

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>five didn't have any options left. He's your longest tenured player.

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.040
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna hold on to him as long as humanly

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:05.759
<v Speaker 1>possible until you have literally no choice but to let

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>him go. And then twenty twenty six, Rob Refsnudder. I

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know how Rob Refsnudter survived on the roster as

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>long as he did this season, but the man made

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>it all the way until August before getting let go.

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 1>So like at least with Abe Toro, right like Abe

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Toro was stuck on the roster, Abe Trow would not

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 1>be stuck on this roster. If he was playing the

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 1>way he was, he would be sent down to the

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>minor leagues.

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I wanted to sit here and say

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five Dylan Moore simply because he was just versatile.

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 2>And then I remember, just about a year ago when

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.919
<v Speaker 2>we did the exercise on this very podcast about how

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 2>after learning and looking up the numbers and finding out

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that Dylan Moore and his ability to hit left handed

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 2>pitching had gone to a one forty ops again in

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:52.440
<v Speaker 2>a three month stretch, like for a man that was

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 2>on the roster to hit lefties, and Dylan Moore he

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>was not hitting one forty batting.

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Average wise, he was opsing.

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 2>One forty over three month stretch against left handed pitching,

0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>which led us to the podcast exercise of going through

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.839
<v Speaker 2>and saying, could felnin Celliston back when he was in

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Everett the ops ing one forty against lefties in the

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 2>big leagues? Could your hair Batista literally not even in

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the Complex League yet be opsing one in the big leagues?

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 2>That was a real podcast exercise we did with a

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 2>bunch of the minor leaguers.

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, Devo's out, ref Snider's.

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Out, Dan's certainly out, and then that leaves Abe Toro

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:29.320
<v Speaker 2>kN Kratz.

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Abe and his ops I think is higher than all

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 1>of theirs.

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Well there you go. Love to see it.

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Abe was opsing like five hundred, which is like monumental

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 1>compared to what Refsnutterer and Demo were doing.

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 3>It. It really is a shame. I say it all

0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 3>the time.

0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.360
<v Speaker 2>It's a shame this podcast was not in full swing

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:51.880
<v Speaker 2>during twenty twenty two. Abe Toro is it is a

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 2>side of TJ that is one of my favorite sides

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen. This dude every day would send me

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>messages and like all capital letters, just demanding for his

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:03.880
<v Speaker 2>DFA and his send down and is anything.

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.240
<v Speaker 1>He was awful? I mean he was not so bad.

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was good. He wasn't good.

0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Twenty two starts at d H with a five hundred ops.

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that he made.

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>A buddy, buddy, that's your job.

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah sad, it's just yeah.

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Xander asks you guys have any plans in October Cancun?

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Maybe one, two three can coon?

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Some people say, I mean someone wants to fly us

0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 1>down to Cancun in October? I'm down.

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do do any of those all inclusive resorts down

0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 2>in Cancun or honestly Cabo too, any of those really

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:52.400
<v Speaker 2>nice uh beach towns in Mexico with all inclusive resorts?

0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Anybody looking for some podcast sponsorship? Honestly, we don't even

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>We don't have to take the money. If you just

0:51:57.920 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>give us an all inclusive or like an all expect

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.000
<v Speaker 2>is paid trip to the all inclusive resort.

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.160
<v Speaker 3>We'll do some ad reads for you. I will pay.

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, send us an email. We're down as sitting too

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and uh in chats some business. I would love some

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:13.800
<v Speaker 1>sun in October please.

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean while the Mariners are sitting at home on

0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 2>their couch, or maybe we'll run into them in cancuon some.

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Of the players.

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 2>We'll be sitting like fifteen drinks fifteen drinks deep at

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 2>the pool and Cabo, just setting up to record an

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>impromptu pod about well, Mariners are out of it? What

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:33.280
<v Speaker 2>do we want to talk about today while the playoffs

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:36.880
<v Speaker 2>are going on? Shout out to our friends at Resort X.

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 1>What if Dan goes to Cancun? No, what if he

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:43.600
<v Speaker 1>goes to the same resort we were.

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 3>At, Invite him on the pod.

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>If he wants to come on.

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm kidding that would be that would I wouldn't

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.000
<v Speaker 2>do that disservice to all our listeners to put people

0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.600
<v Speaker 2>through like twenty to thirty minutes of that interview. Well,

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 2>what if we ran into a at the resort and

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 2>a certain Jeff passing notification happened to pop up on

0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 2>our phone and we were.

0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:07.880
<v Speaker 3>Like, do you see this.

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 2>You see I'm not gonna say what the pass and

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>notification is. I'm just gonna let the people make it inference.

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 2>In an exception for themselves.

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>There will be lots of lots of cheering.

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I would be down for Cancun in October.

0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise, aside from that, I don't think we have any

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous I have.

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Two weddings in the first fifteen days of October.

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, you do. We were worried about that at

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the start of the year. At the start because at

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.479
<v Speaker 2>the start of the year we were like, oh, man,

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that that could really intertwine with playoff baseball, and you know,

0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 2>are the Mariner's going to be playing? Are they gonna

0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 2>have an off day? What time is the game going

0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:57.799
<v Speaker 2>to be at? Well, it's look a little different now.

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was sweating it more earlier in

0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the season, in like May, when I'm planning this stuff up,

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, like I might have like a wedding

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 1>during the wild card slash Alds and the Alcus potentially

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 1>is like, oh my god, what are we gonna do

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:16.720
<v Speaker 1>if I'm like, I can't be away. But I'm also

0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like I'm in these weddings, so I can't, like I

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:21.279
<v Speaker 1>can't or I'm in the especially the later one.

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the later one. Yeah, the later one that

0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:25.279
<v Speaker 2>you have to travel for. You're in the other one.

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're just there.

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the other one. I could sit in the back

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 1>and watch on my phone if I wanted to. So,

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, oh, what am I gonna do?

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>And now it's like, I'm good? Yeah, probably almost certainly,

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:39.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm good.

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean my October is pretty empty right now because

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:45.720
<v Speaker 2>because we weren't planning on planning anything in October because

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:46.799
<v Speaker 2>we thought we would have.

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.480
<v Speaker 3>A lot to do. Now, I don't know.

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I will plan a trip for myself. I don't

0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 2>get to take many just personal vacations these days. Maybe

0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I'll figure something out.

0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 3>Who knows.

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe Lyle will be cantcuon on three.

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 3>That would be great. I sorry, let me rephrase it

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:01.920
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be great.

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:05.160
<v Speaker 2>And TJ also wishes he was stressing about having to

0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 2>manage weddings and playoff baseball because that's what we all want.

0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Correct, We're not getting it right now, so no.

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:13.640
<v Speaker 1>And doesn't seem like we will get it.

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Cheryl on Patreon asks do you think Griffy being on

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the ownership team is impacting Dan's continued tenure as manager.

0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean Griffy's not. Griffy's not on the board.

0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:33.240
<v Speaker 2>He is a very small minority stake in the team.

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:35.800
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think so. Griffy doesn't really get to

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:37.560
<v Speaker 2>make decisions as far as I'm concerned.

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I also think it's no. I think I think John

0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Stanton is a pretty big fan of Dan Wilson, I would.

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Guess, and probably Chris Larsen too.

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Chris Larsen too, I would assume. But no, I

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.360
<v Speaker 1>don't think. I don't really think Griffy is the answer

0:55:55.440 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>to anything ownership related. Yeah, like he he gets his

0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever profit share of the team at the end of

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 1>every year that he's bought in, and he gets to

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 1>make appearances, and he gets a parking spot in the

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:12.400
<v Speaker 1>garage and gets to hang out in the owner suite.

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 1>But otherwise, like I know, I don't think so.

0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so either. Now,

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:21.799
<v Speaker 3>the other part of this is, what's the second part

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:22.360
<v Speaker 3>of this question?

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Is there is there anyone on the current team whose

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>contract is not expiring in twenty twenty six? Or twenty

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:31.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven. You think should be offered a contract like

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Cole Emerson or Josh Naylor.

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Offering an extension so to speak, or a long term.

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Deal, probably yeah, or I guess if they were to

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:43.240
<v Speaker 1>hit free agency, they'd get resigned. I mean the pitchers,

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:47.120
<v Speaker 1>almost everyone in the rotation. If they got a ninety

0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 1>if you could sign them for ninety five million dollars,

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I would do it. But I don't think any of

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 1>those guys are taking a ninety five million dollar contract.

0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:58.719
<v Speaker 2>The priorities would be Logan Gilbert and Brian lou But

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:00.440
<v Speaker 2>those guys are going to demand more money.

0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think Cole Young is a ninety five

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:06.080
<v Speaker 1>million dollar player yet. He's been good, but I don't

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. And for him, honestly at this point,

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 1>don't take like a low ball deal right now. Just

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 1>keep playing, keep playing. If things work out the way

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he wants, by the time this new CBA has agreed upon,

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.360
<v Speaker 1>he could be one year closer to free agency, right

0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:26.520
<v Speaker 1>so then than that de incentivizes taking an extension.

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right.

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Three more questions to go. Nick on Patreon ask asks

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.960
<v Speaker 1>why isn't more being made of this Dan Wilson comment

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>from Saturday's game quote, I don't love assessing losses.

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 3>What else more can we say?

0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Like, I mean he doesn't like assessing wins either, because

0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't elaborate on anything. Ever, I like, I don't

0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 2>know how much there is to really say, you know,

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 2>like like, but.

0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I also like, like, first of all, I didn't get

0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to see the quote. I haven't seen like the clip,

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Like I think context does matters as opposed to Nick

0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:09.960
<v Speaker 1>just leaving the quote in a question for us to

0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 1>like assess based on the words. I would like to

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:16.120
<v Speaker 1>actually see the clip. But also like again, like Dan

0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:19.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of just says stuff like he said Dylan Moore

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:20.960
<v Speaker 1>had been really good for the team last year. Like

0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 1>clearly that's not right, So like maybe he doesn't actually

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe that means absolutely nothing, And that's just like what

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>came to his brain and what he said as opposed

0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to like what he actually does. Right, Like does that

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:36.479
<v Speaker 1>make sense you.

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Said it at the start of this episode. He takes

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.480
<v Speaker 2>a few positives ignores the negatives. The one thing I'll

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:43.200
<v Speaker 2>add for context that you didn't say at the start

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:44.640
<v Speaker 2>of the episode is you got to add in some

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.320
<v Speaker 2>ums and your nose and pauses and then a tough

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 2>one and then maybe a difficult one in a difficult day.

0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like he doesn't say things, so Nick maybe

0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:57.040
<v Speaker 2>right that he doesn't like assessing losses. And again I

0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen the clip either, much like TJ, but he

0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like a s wins either.

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:03.680
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't seem to like assessing, right.

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's I honestly think that's it right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:10.360
<v Speaker 1>wins or losses doesn't really matter.

0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>It's just the same, and that's the problem, to be clear.

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.800
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, what are we gonna do? We're just two

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:18.720
<v Speaker 2>dumb podcasters, right.

0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.959
<v Speaker 1>Robert on Patreon asks TJ and Lyle, you guys should

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:26.000
<v Speaker 1>use your platform to start a petition for Dorktown to

0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 1>do an update video on the continued futility and weirdness

0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 1>of this franchise. That's been five years, There's been a

0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:37.560
<v Speaker 1>lot more to add, Honestly, Robert facts, a Dorktown episode

0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:41.520
<v Speaker 1>on the twenty one to twenty twenty six Seattle Mariners

0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 1>would be so good.

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh it would.

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 2>It would be a perfect, perfect, not thirty for thirty

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.160
<v Speaker 2>but docuseries to put out during the lockout.

0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 3>It would be so perfect.

0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:57.080
<v Speaker 2>We could do podcast episodes all centered around that. And

0:59:57.160 --> 1:00:00.760
<v Speaker 2>if you're the guys at Dorktown and you think about

1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.400
<v Speaker 2>doing more content and you want more content, I mean,

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:06.960
<v Speaker 2>think about everything that's happened in the last six years.

1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:11.000
<v Speaker 2>You you start with Kevin Mather, and then you go

1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:16.960
<v Speaker 2>to the Kelnick stuff and the fifty Well I was

1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:19.440
<v Speaker 2>actually going chronologically because I'm still at twenty twenty one.

1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I guess Kellnick and Mather tie in but admitting to

1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:25.560
<v Speaker 2>manipulating service time. And then Jared doesn't make the opening

1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:27.640
<v Speaker 2>day roster and then he only gets six games into

1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Cooma and then they yank him up and he clearly

1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:31.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't ready and then he's up and down, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you go to twenty two where you have the fight

1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and you have pizza being delivered to Jesse Winker inside

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.800
<v Speaker 2>the clubhouse in Anaheim, and then you've got I mean,

1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:41.919
<v Speaker 2>you've got all the Julio stuff too, with him coming

1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:43.360
<v Speaker 2>up and winning a Rookie of the Year, and then

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<v Speaker 2>well they break the drought. But yeah, then you go

1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to twenty twenty three and you get fifty four percent.

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<v Speaker 2>You get George Kirby being like being pissed off that

1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:53.120
<v Speaker 2>he got put back in a game, and you get

1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Paul Sewald with some pretty interesting comments after he left Seattle,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that you know, he would have been pretty furious

1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:05.520
<v Speaker 2>if he had still been in Seattle when a lot

1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:08.880
<v Speaker 2>of those comments went down. There was the cal comments

1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:12.480
<v Speaker 2>about like a demanding more out of ownership. You get

1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Scott getting fired and the ridiculous way that Dan got hired.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you get twenty five when they make the Alcs run,

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<v Speaker 2>and then not going to Andre's Munos in game seven. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's so much. And then you get the

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<v Speaker 2>piggyback stuff this year, and you get the six man

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<v Speaker 2>this year, and then you get the I mean whatever else.

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<v Speaker 2>All I will ask is if they do a part

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<v Speaker 2>two of Dorktown, Carry Carpenter better be in there like

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<v Speaker 2>that at bat better be fucking in that docu series,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 1>The epitome of the Dan Wilson tenure as Mariner's manager.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean maybe Munhos and Bizardo in Game seven

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<v Speaker 2>even more so. But as I always say, well, the

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<v Speaker 2>Carry Carpenter decision did not have the same magnitude as

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<v Speaker 2>not going to Munos in Game seven. By the nuts

1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and bolts and the numbers of decision. It's the worst

1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:02.720
<v Speaker 2>decision I've ever seen, Mae in a game.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they'll add your reaction to the Dorktown episode. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>just splice it in if.

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<v Speaker 3>They're listening John Boyce and I feel bad. I'm blanket

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<v Speaker 3>on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Other I think it's just John Boyce.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well, if you have full permission right here of

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<v Speaker 2>the Marine Layer podcast to use every reaction we had

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<v Speaker 2>to the kry Carbon or Homer in in the docu series.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bummer we've been. We tried early on to

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<v Speaker 1>get John boys on the show unsuccessfully. We wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Dorktown, but it was unsuccessful. Maybe we'll try

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<v Speaker 1>and get him on again and pitch him, pitch them

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<v Speaker 1>our idea.

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<v Speaker 3>This was really early on.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well he tried, had his email, Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no success. Final question on the mailbag comes from Michael

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon. Michael's question is if we miss the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>what are each of yours your quote unquote bare minimums

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<v Speaker 1>for what needs to happen in the off season.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how most of this coaching staff is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna survive if they miss the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>In this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you had expectations as high as ever in AO West,

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<v Speaker 2>as bad as ever, an American league, as bad as ever,

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<v Speaker 2>a team on paper that's about as good as you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever had, and you don't even make the playoffs. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how that doesn't get shaken up in the offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be one and number two, for the

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<v Speaker 2>love of God, get another leverage bullpen arm. You have

1:03:35.600 --> 1:03:39.080
<v Speaker 2>been missing one ever since you whipped on Duran. That's

1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:42.400
<v Speaker 2>where my priority lies. Get a legit reliever, Not Sir

1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Demingez, not Caleb Ferguson, nobody like that. Get a

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<v Speaker 2>legit reliever.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way you're saying it is that sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>something that will happen regardless, Like there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>things I would say, regardless of if they make the

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<v Speaker 1>postseason or not, they need to do. Leverage reliever is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely one of them. I don't give a shit if

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<v Speaker 1>they win the World Series or not, they need more

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<v Speaker 1>leverage bullpen arms.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's gonna happen, regardless, they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>done it like they whipped on Duran.

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<v Speaker 1>And they still regardless, that should That's what I should.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're asking bare minimum. That is my bare minimum.

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<v Speaker 2>You better go get another leverage arm because they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>done so. They have ever since they missed on Duran.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been searching for that guy and haven't found it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they should do that, even if they win

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series somehow this year. In my opinion, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my that's my bare minimum. Regardless, the bullpen needs

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<v Speaker 1>more arms. Your thinking about the coaching staff as I

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<v Speaker 1>think the bare minimum. I don't see how you could

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<v Speaker 1>underperform like that, And I don't think how most of

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<v Speaker 1>the coaching staff, pitching side included, survives this because it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a group effort. You know who's been really bad

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of months, the pitching staff.

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<v Speaker 2>M I don't know if the pitching staff would get overhauled.

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<v Speaker 2>It's possible, but.

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<v Speaker 1>But at some point, do you want a friend start?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's fair, it's fair, like a get.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like calling for people's jobs. We never like

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<v Speaker 1>calling for people's jobs, and I'm not trying to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But at some point, like eighty five wins ain't enough,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Mariners could be getting way more out of

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<v Speaker 1>their roster. I think than they currently are. Like, look

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<v Speaker 1>at the two teams with the two best records in baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>the Brewers in the race, they get everything out of

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<v Speaker 1>their roster. Everything. Yeah, I don't think the Mariners get

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<v Speaker 1>the most out of their roster. Fair, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners in this offseason, if they miss the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>need to sit and answer the question on whether they

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<v Speaker 1>think they're getting the most out of what they put

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<v Speaker 1>on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good answer. Well, shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>you guys for the mailbag. Always good questions. Again, if

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<v Speaker 2>the season keeps going the way it's going, feel free

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<v Speaker 2>to mix in some of the fun non baseball questions too,

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<v Speaker 2>Just to again like, these are supposed to be fun.

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<v Speaker 3>These podcasts are supposed to be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>They're supposed to be entertaining, and obviously we want to

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and try and entertain as best we can,

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<v Speaker 2>so feel free to mix a bunch of those in

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<v Speaker 2>with that. That just about wraps up this edition of

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<v Speaker 3>That's TJ. I'm Lyle. As always, we thank you guys

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