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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and we will peach. This episode
Speaker 1: of the Marine Layer Podcast part of the Just Baseball
Speaker 1: podcast network, recording here on Thursday evening, August thirteen. Is
Speaker 1: there one series into this road trip? Lyle and Well,
Speaker 1: they've proved us right again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they have.
Speaker 2: Like that was Alvin Davis's speech during fiftieth Weekend, right,
Speaker 2: prove us right. They're unfortunately continuing to prove us right
Speaker 2: because they had two games where they just got outworked
Speaker 2: and outclassed by a Yankees team that's flat out better
Speaker 2: than them, and then you win a one nothing duel
Speaker 2: thanks to a Weston Wilson home run.
Speaker 3: Like, think about that sentence right there.
Speaker 2: You win one nothing in Yankee Stadium thanks to a
Speaker 2: Weston Wilson home run to win one lowly game in
Speaker 2: the Bronx.
Speaker 1: Pop the champagne cause for celebration.
Speaker 3: Listen credit to Logan Gilbert.
Speaker 2: He pitched his tailoff and he outdueled Max Freed, bullpen
Speaker 2: held it down. This isn't a pitching knock, but good
Speaker 2: god man, one run and that's.
Speaker 3: How you win.
Speaker 1: The I wanted signs on this road trip while I'm
Speaker 1: watching these games that the Mariners have a chance to
Speaker 1: turn their seats and a round ers. Frankly, at this
Speaker 1: point save their season. There wasn't anything in New York
Speaker 1: that suggested they were saving their season. The reaction after
Speaker 1: the first two losses for the Mariners in this series
Speaker 1: where the exact same as the losses over the fiftieth weekend. Depressing, frustrating,
Speaker 1: and ultimately a team that's just not as good as
Speaker 1: the best teams in the American League, the teams they're
Speaker 1: gonna need to beat to get into the postseason. And
Speaker 1: by the way, this Yankees team is at like half strength.
Speaker 1: There's no judge. I don't think Cody Bellinger was playing
Speaker 1: this weekend either. They're they're far from full strength right
Speaker 1: now and clearly better than the Mariners are. I really
Speaker 1: wish we had a more optimistic take to come out
Speaker 1: of the series, but no, there was not really one.
Speaker 2: And you got the worst starter in the Yankees rotation
Speaker 2: in this series two and Will Warren and you scored
Speaker 2: some runs on them, but you still lost the game.
Speaker 2: I mean, in this series, you miss Judge, you miss Bellinger,
Speaker 2: you miss Stanton, you miss Schlitler because you didn't have
Speaker 2: to face them in their turn in the rotation and
Speaker 2: to face Garrett Cole and you still only won one
Speaker 2: of three in which you scored one run in your win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, they might play well this week and
Speaker 1: against the Astros, they very well might take two of three,
Speaker 1: because frankly, the Astros are the one team the Mariners
Speaker 1: have consistently beat this season. They played eight times and
Speaker 1: they've won seven of those games. Even though the Astros
Speaker 1: are a little bit healthier now. Maybe the Mariners just
Speaker 1: match up better with the Astros than they do with
Speaker 1: other teams. But going into this weekend, if the Mariners
Speaker 1: just take what two of three against the Astros, that's
Speaker 1: not enough at this point. The Mariners need to get
Speaker 1: into a habit now. If they're gonna save their season,
Speaker 1: they need to start sweeping teams, preferably sweeping teams in
Speaker 1: their own division. It would be a great start if
Speaker 1: they sweep the Astros. If they go out on the
Speaker 1: road and they look dominant against the Astros, I might
Speaker 1: have just the slightest more optimism when we sit down
Speaker 1: Sunday night to date until I see that, though, I can't.
Speaker 2: No, because if you only win two of three in Houston,
Speaker 2: and by the way, that's assuming you win two of three,
Speaker 2: but if they do, you're still four games back with
Speaker 2: just thirty seven games to play. And in those thirty
Speaker 2: seven games, you get the Brewers for three, you get
Speaker 2: the Cubs for three, so that's six. You get the
Speaker 2: Phillies for three, that's nine, you get the Red Sox
Speaker 2: for three, that's twelve. And if you want to count
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, two o them in Toronto, So then
Speaker 2: fifteen of you're remaining thirty seven games is against those
Speaker 2: teams and you'd need to make up four games in
Speaker 2: those thirty seven, not just hold ground, not just tread water.
Speaker 2: You'd have to make up ground and against those teams
Speaker 2: on the road at Benway, on the road of Milwaukee,
Speaker 2: on the road in Toronto, home against the Cubs and Phillies.
Speaker 3: Oof.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least Dan had plenty good answers after the games.
Speaker 3: Good lord. We can get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: But I will just say the Mariners have not won
Speaker 2: a series against the team with a winning record since
Speaker 2: the end of May, when they beat the Diamondbacks at home,
Speaker 2: when they swept the Diamondbacks. Really, I mean, you want
Speaker 2: to go through the schedule. We're just sitting here, two
Speaker 2: friends talking ball with a with a few people hopefully listening.
Speaker 3: We can listen. We can go through the schedule right now.
Speaker 2: You want to go through their schedule since they last
Speaker 2: beat the Diamondbacks in May, so you go to June.
Speaker 2: Here are the series they've won the Mets at home.
Speaker 2: You know, the Mets don't have a winning record. No,
Speaker 2: they let's see what's the next.
Speaker 1: Series as who they began that win streak with. Definitely
Speaker 1: don't have a winning record. They've they've been awful.
Speaker 3: No, and the and the.
Speaker 2: A's series win was before the Diamondbacks because that was
Speaker 2: part of that win streak.
Speaker 3: I think it was part of the win streak.
Speaker 1: It was the start of the eight game win streak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, because they got the A's and then
Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks. Right.
Speaker 2: So, anyway, you lost the series of the Tigers is
Speaker 2: still in June. You split with the Orioles, you lost
Speaker 2: to the Nationals. You beat the Orioles but they had
Speaker 2: a losing record at the time, lost the series to
Speaker 2: the Red Sox, lost the series to the Pirates, lost
Speaker 2: the series to the Guardians. Beat the Angels. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: you swept them. They certainly are not above five hundred
Speaker 2: as we know. You beat the Blue Jays, who were
Speaker 2: not above five hundred when they played that series. They're
Speaker 2: still not above five hundred now. Then you get swept
Speaker 2: by the Marlins, lose to a three to the Rays.
Speaker 2: Then it's the All Star break. You win the Giants
Speaker 2: series under five hundred, lose to the Reds, lose to
Speaker 2: the Rangers, lose to the Dodgers, beat the Twins in
Speaker 2: two or three under five hundred, lose to the Tigers,
Speaker 2: lose to the Rays lose to the Yankees. They have
Speaker 2: not won a series against the team over five hundred
Speaker 2: in two and a half months since the end of
Speaker 2: May against the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 1: And technically that could change. And what's funny about this
Speaker 1: whole thing is I the Diamondbacks is like, great, they're
Speaker 1: above five hundred? Are they really like that good?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Are the diamond Is that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that like a series? You want to like plant
Speaker 1: your flag in and say, man, I'm happy the Mariners
Speaker 1: won that series against the Diamondbacks. That that really showed
Speaker 1: the rest of the league how serious the Mariners are. Oh,
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks have a considerably better record than the Mariners,
Speaker 1: but these days that's not that hard.
Speaker 3: Oh dude.
Speaker 2: The only series they've won on the road against the
Speaker 2: team over five hundred this year is the last time
Speaker 2: they played the Astros. And by the way, I don't
Speaker 2: even think the Astros were over five hundred during that
Speaker 2: series the last time.
Speaker 1: No, I think they were in last place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were seventeen and twenty eight by the end
Speaker 2: of that series. They're over five hundred now, They certainly
Speaker 2: weren't over five hundred then. And aside from those guys,
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Mariners even won another series on
Speaker 2: the road against a team that's over five hundred this year,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at April. I don't think they have. I mean,
Speaker 2: they swept the Cardinals, who were over five hundred barely
Speaker 2: at that time.
Speaker 3: But as we sit down.
Speaker 1: They're barely over five hundred right now, they're sixty one
Speaker 1: and sixty.
Speaker 2: So the point being is when you're grasping for straws
Speaker 2: talking about the Mariners' best roads series wins of the
Speaker 2: year or over the Astros and the Cardinals, and their
Speaker 2: best series win of the year is like, essentially, in
Speaker 2: the last.
Speaker 1: The Brave Series was the best series win of the year.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yes it was in the last three months. Your
Speaker 2: best series win is over the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean again, this is assuming you're trying to put
Speaker 2: on the assumption that hey, if they win two of
Speaker 2: three in Houston, that's still not enough, just like let
Speaker 2: alone a sweep. No, there's not even a guarantee they
Speaker 2: win two of three. And by the way, you lose
Speaker 2: this series in Houston, I'll stamp it right here.
Speaker 3: You lose the series in Houston, the season is over.
Speaker 3: That's that's it.
Speaker 2: You lose you lose two of three or worse, you
Speaker 2: are minimum six back with thirty seven to go.
Speaker 3: And the rest of that August schedule looming.
Speaker 2: You lose this series, you're done. You gotta win this series.
Speaker 2: It all, it all rides on this weekend. At this point,
Speaker 2: you have got to go win this series.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent agree. I honestly, they need to win
Speaker 1: every series for the rest of the season. I mentioned
Speaker 1: the math on Wednesday's podcast listener. Desmond and I were
Speaker 1: going through it while we were sitting there at the
Speaker 1: Hall getting ready to tape the podcast on Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: But like to get the Mariners to eighty five wins,
Speaker 1: they essentially need to win two out of every three
Speaker 1: games the rest of the season. They essentially need to
Speaker 1: win every series just to get to eighty five wins.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of hill the Mariners are standing at
Speaker 1: right now. So yeah, I mean, it's bare minimum that
Speaker 1: they need to win the series next but you're right,
Speaker 1: I think they need to sweep because they need to
Speaker 1: start making up considerable ground if we're going to see
Speaker 1: any real sort of change.
Speaker 2: And even if you sweep the Astros, then you have
Speaker 2: to hold serve against the Brewers, because if you go
Speaker 2: sweep in Houston and then get swept in Milwaukee, who's
Speaker 2: not only the best team in baseball by record, but
Speaker 2: the best offense in baseball, you go get swept in Milwaukee,
Speaker 2: you just wiped away every piece of ground you made up,
Speaker 2: at least in your own record, because three wins will
Speaker 2: have been negated by three losses. So you would have
Speaker 2: to go sweep in Milwaukee and then you have to
Speaker 2: hold Serve in or sorry, you'd have to go to sweep
Speaker 2: in Houston and then hold serve in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: So they would need we need So five of six
Speaker 1: is what we're saying. They need to win five of
Speaker 1: their next six games to save for us to not
Speaker 1: declare their season over by the end of the road trip.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if you sweep Houston and you lose two
Speaker 2: of three in Milwaukee, I mean we can check in
Speaker 2: on how Houston's doing during the week because if they
Speaker 2: match up win loss wise with the Mariners, then maybe
Speaker 2: you're still around two or three back and it's still
Speaker 2: in range. But yes, like roughly five of six and
Speaker 2: you need all three wins against the Astros.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this weekend did not suggest much
Speaker 1: that the Mariners were gonna go get five of six
Speaker 1: wins in the next two series. But I guess I
Speaker 1: feel better about them facing the Astros. But the American
Speaker 1: League West sucks, so great, congratulations to them. Anything else
Speaker 1: before we get to.
Speaker 2: The mail bag, Well, it's like you said, at least
Speaker 2: Dan had some really awesome answers. Every postgame in the
Speaker 2: Bronx was just that was that was a riveting time,
Speaker 2: a riveting old time.
Speaker 1: Would I be lying if I said I actually look
Speaker 1: forward to like what he has to say after the game.
Speaker 3: I do too, because I simply wait to hear if
Speaker 3: we're gonna get a tough one or not.
Speaker 1: I know you listen for that, but I actually listened
Speaker 1: for like the quotes, not because I'm actually interested in
Speaker 1: like the meaning of what he has to say, Because
Speaker 1: everyone listening to this could could essentially sum up how
Speaker 1: Dan would answer any single question. Or it's like find
Speaker 1: x positive out of the negativity of the question and
Speaker 1: talk about it and then don't acknowledge anything else. That's
Speaker 1: essentially how he answers everything. But where he like talks
Speaker 1: about that, he like liked the matchup of Michael Rucker
Speaker 1: on on what was that Wednesday?
Speaker 3: Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's Tuesday. Sorry that he like liked the
Speaker 1: matchup of Michael Rucker and the seventh inning against the
Speaker 1: Yankees on Tuesday. I mean, you honestly just have to
Speaker 1: respect a master at work.
Speaker 3: At that point, I was wondering where you were going
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you like to see how he can
Speaker 2: trip over himself with his words, That's what you were getting.
Speaker 1: At sure, But even like again at this point, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Oh, like you said, it's like watching Picasso paint with
Speaker 2: these postgame pressers.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 2: Because when he says we liked the matchup of Michael Rucker,
Speaker 2: I just want to acknowledge we recorded very shortly after
Speaker 2: the end of Tuesday's game, and we were taping with
Speaker 2: our friends over at Queen Anne Beer Hall and with Corona,
Speaker 2: which is a blast to everybody that came out, thank you,
Speaker 2: But we were taping shortly after then. I realized the
Speaker 2: next morning just how disastrous that decision was because we
Speaker 2: simply thought to ourselves at the time, well, spire was down.
Speaker 2: Ferrera had already pitched, you gotta do something. I did
Speaker 2: not realize Michael Rucker was giving up a nine to
Speaker 2: ninety one ops against left handed batters this season, nine
Speaker 2: ninety one. And by the way, he's got a rod
Speaker 2: ops against of eight fifty two, so he's not good
Speaker 2: on the road, and he's even worse against lefties. And
Speaker 2: I know you inspired down and unavailable, but your next
Speaker 2: best option is the guy who's getting crushed into oblivion
Speaker 2: by lefties, and you had him face two lefties. Dude,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? And then we we liked the matchup? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what about it? Because when you say we like the
Speaker 2: matchup and provide no context, it makes you and everybody
Speaker 2: else around you look worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like that in itself is objectively terrible. What's also bad
Speaker 1: in that spot is like the only the two guys
Speaker 1: you essentially could have, I mean, not even convinced yourself,
Speaker 1: because the Mariners are in a position with their bullpend
Speaker 1: that socially and Brian will only goes five, you need
Speaker 1: to cover four innings. There's not I guess as many
Speaker 1: good options as you'd like when you need your down
Speaker 1: one reliever, especially when you would have definitely used in
Speaker 1: that spot. I guess it would have been like Josh
Speaker 1: sim saying, like Josh Simpson did in pitch the sixth
Speaker 1: then he did he on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he pitched it all in this series.
Speaker 3: If I have that, I no Freer.
Speaker 1: Pitched the sixth inning on on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think Simpson pitch.
Speaker 2: And look, I hate to say it, because he has
Speaker 2: not inspired confidence so far, but that is probably domingas
Speaker 2: a spot or it should have been. He's not great
Speaker 2: against lefties either, but at least he strikes batters out.
Speaker 2: He gets swing and miss sometimes.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's I think that. That's my second point here,
Speaker 1: where it's like, I don't think the Mariners trust Sir
Speaker 1: Anthony Dimingez at all. Well, then he's been pitching in
Speaker 1: mop up duty.
Speaker 3: Well, then it's sure a good thing.
Speaker 2: They added no other relievers at the deadline and also
Speaker 2: picked up the ten and a half million bucks on
Speaker 2: his contract next year.
Speaker 3: It is just awesome.
Speaker 2: It is really awesome that that was their one reliever
Speaker 2: that they added, tried to like promote him and tried
Speaker 2: to like spin him publicly as a leverage guy, and
Speaker 2: now he's pitching in mop up and you let Michael
Speaker 2: Rucker in his tent is ten hundred ops against lefties pitching, that's.
Speaker 1: Him, because in some order they would have had to
Speaker 1: like throw I don't know, they would have to put
Speaker 1: Bizart to win instead of him, who's also really really
Speaker 1: really struggled, and then maybe you go to Domingas and
Speaker 1: an inning later in the eighth inning. I don't know, man, dude,
Speaker 1: they're bullpen. It's just like it's a mess. It's there's
Speaker 1: if they're gonna refuse to pitch Andres Munos before the
Speaker 1: ninth inning, which they clearly have. He has barely thrown
Speaker 1: the last like two months because he he's just being
Speaker 1: saved for the ninth inning with the lead, and the
Speaker 1: Mariners are ten and twenty three in their last thirty
Speaker 1: three games, so literally only ten possible games he could
Speaker 1: throw in in that in that incense. So it just
Speaker 1: leaves the Mariners in a terrible spot, and of course
Speaker 1: they just leave someone who's just not good at that
Speaker 1: at all to manage the whole scenario. It really is
Speaker 1: just it is a great way to celebrate fifty seasons
Speaker 1: of Mariners baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we can get to the mailbag. I
Speaker 2: mean What else are we gonna say about the series?
Speaker 2: It was good they won one game, they stole won
Speaker 2: by scoring one run. But what else are you gonna say?
Speaker 2: It comes down to this weekend. You've got to sweep
Speaker 2: in Houston or you're in big trouble.
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Speaker 1: Marine Layer Pod. Joh teen gets us started on the
Speaker 1: mail bag and asks do you guys think someone like
Speaker 1: Justin Turner would have helped the m's clubhouse, motivation, culture, etc.
Speaker 1: If you were to add him to this team.
Speaker 2: Does he mean adam to the team as a player,
Speaker 2: Because look, Justin Turner was great in the half season
Speaker 2: he was here, but he ran out a seventy two
Speaker 2: ops plus with the Cubs last year at forty years old,
Speaker 2: and now I think he's playing in Mexico.
Speaker 1: So how are stats in Mexico?
Speaker 3: Is that? Can you find those?
Speaker 1: I never like those are on reference.
Speaker 2: I've looked, but I think sometimes it's just the winner.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look at this Tijuana Justin Turner. You know what,
Speaker 2: credit to him. He's got an eight to sixty four
Speaker 2: ops down in Tijuana and he's hitting nearly three hundred.
Speaker 2: Shout out JT, shout out the Red Dream.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, would you rather have Justin Turner or
Speaker 1: Rob Refsnyder this season?
Speaker 3: Dude? It can't be worse, right, I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't think so.
Speaker 2: I mean if if JT repeated, if JT repeated his
Speaker 2: seventy two ops plus again this year, that's like triple
Speaker 2: what Rob Refsnyder was putting up. So yeah, and eight
Speaker 2: percent worse than the league average.
Speaker 1: Still, you know, I think that a twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: Justin Turner on the bench would have helped in a
Speaker 1: number of ways. It would have helped the Mariner's bench
Speaker 1: get better, because the Mariner's bench is horrendous and atrocious
Speaker 1: to season and gives them zero flexibility when pinch hitting,
Speaker 1: whether it be injuries or just underperformance. But I also
Speaker 1: think the clubhouse leadership part of it is one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: We compare the season to twenty twenty three a decent
Speaker 1: bit Besides, you know, the win loss record, the disappointment
Speaker 1: of those two seasons are pretty similar. One thing it's
Speaker 1: clear both of these teams were missing is they didn't
Speaker 1: really have that sturdy, veteran presence in the clubhouse when
Speaker 1: things aren't going well. In twenty twenty two, the Mariners
Speaker 1: had Carlos Santana. Carlos Santana was very into girl, especially
Speaker 1: with rookie Julio Rodriguez. In twenty twenty four, Justin Turner
Speaker 1: was added. They didn't end up making the playoffs, but
Speaker 1: guys gushed about Justin Turner. Last year you had cal
Speaker 1: when you had sixty home runs, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: easier to lead. Everyone looks at you. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's historic. Great. But in twenty three and twenty six,
Speaker 1: we're not. Don't quite have that.
Speaker 3: No, and you had Gino at the end of twenty five.
Speaker 1: To two, right, that definitely helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you don't have that guy this year. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't think at all serious and as Justin Turner
Speaker 2: can still really be playing meaningful time in the big leagues.
Speaker 2: I think there's a reason he's just playing in Mexico now.
Speaker 2: He's probably just trying to hang on and doesn't want
Speaker 2: to quite quit baseball yet. And I'm guessing he'll be done,
Speaker 2: if not after this season. Maybe he plays one more
Speaker 2: year internationally. But would I entertain the idea of Justin
Speaker 2: Turner being on the staff as like some sort of
Speaker 2: hitting coach and some role as a hitting coach. Sure,
Speaker 2: he'd probably be really good at that, like maybe not
Speaker 2: the main guy without having any experience of doing it,
Speaker 2: but as some role. Yeah, like moving forward?
Speaker 1: Sure, well, I hear the Maritors could use an assistant
Speaker 1: hitting coach.
Speaker 2: Oh you mean an assistant to the assistant hitting coach,
Speaker 2: because you remember Teach they fired their third hitting coach
Speaker 2: and that fixed everything.
Speaker 1: If you want to call Edgar the hitting coach. Yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would look.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Justin Turner will coach one day, and
Speaker 2: if he decides to get into coaching, Yeah, he'd probably
Speaker 2: be a really good presence for the guys in that clubhouse.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna come work for the Mariners.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean he did.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say his last impression publicly acknowledging the Mariners,
Speaker 1: he essentially was calling them cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his remember the exact words. It was put on
Speaker 2: a couple of quote cards. He said, what the hell
Speaker 2: are you doing? Are you trying?
Speaker 1: Sounds like simwhere he's just dying to come work.
Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't wrong when he said it.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Justin Turner two, by the way, Like
Speaker 1: the dude has made plenty of money. He could just
Speaker 1: hang it up and retire, and instead he's just playing
Speaker 1: in Tijuana. Like, yeah, that'd before him, Like that's great,
Speaker 1: Like that's when you know, it's like it's for the
Speaker 1: love of the game.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no doubt, which is why I think he
Speaker 3: might get into coaching.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Next question comes from Alex on Patreon. Alex's
Speaker 1: question is could we be concerned about Colt Emerson's long
Speaker 1: term development? Do you think he would still be up
Speaker 1: with the Mariners if JP were healthy. Well, we got
Speaker 1: an answer to this one today.
Speaker 2: We did because after the game on Thursday, you guys
Speaker 2: probably saw the Mariners option Colt Emerson down to tripa A.
Speaker 3: They called it brock Rotten, which.
Speaker 2: Congratulations to him because he's about to make his big
Speaker 2: league debut at some point this weekend. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not shocked they made the move because it was just
Speaker 2: time for Cult to get a reset, and it was
Speaker 2: time for him to just get some confidence back and
Speaker 2: see the ball land on grass and see the ball
Speaker 2: land over the fence and again just have a little
Speaker 2: bit of a mental like again, I think reset's the
Speaker 2: best word, a mental reset. But concerned about Cult's long
Speaker 2: term development, No, I'm not. I know it's been a
Speaker 2: rough stretch over the last six weeks, and I know
Speaker 2: it hasn't been perfect in his rookie year, but he's
Speaker 2: twenty years old or now twenty one. He's so talented,
Speaker 2: he's got such a good head on him. This is
Speaker 2: not like Kelnick, where he was very, very mentally fragile,
Speaker 2: and people knew that early on, basically at the first
Speaker 2: sign of his struggles. That's not how Colt Emerson's wired.
Speaker 2: And I think moving forward he's gonna be totally fine.
Speaker 2: But am I shocked they sent him to Tacoma. No,
Speaker 2: because the reset's not the end of the world for
Speaker 2: him and probably not the worst thing for him.
Speaker 1: I'm not shot. I'm not concerned about Colt Emerson's development yet.
Speaker 1: I think I'd need to see more to actually be concerned,
Speaker 1: because sometimes rookies struggle doesn't matter. Yeah, twenty one, twenty four,
Speaker 1: Like it's your first experience in Major League Baseball and
Speaker 1: you could be overwhelmed, And it is clear that Colt
Speaker 1: Emerson is really overwhelmed. I also just think the Mariners
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to have his bat in the lineup anymore.
Speaker 1: It was just untenable the last two months. He has
Speaker 1: a WRC plus of twenty two. You can't have that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, since July first. I'm not kidding, it's eight. He
Speaker 2: is the WRC plus of eight since July.
Speaker 1: First, and we can't It's hard for us to justify
Speaker 1: him being in the lineup. I know we say he
Speaker 1: makes them better because of the defense. But when you
Speaker 1: have a WRC plus of eight essentially in the last
Speaker 1: month and a half, and you and I are pounding
Speaker 1: the table saying like everything he's about twenty two needs
Speaker 1: to be about twenty twenty six, then this move was
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty six right now. For the big league club,
Speaker 1: and I think for Cole Emerson like he needs to be,
Speaker 1: he needs to be reminded that he doesn't suck at
Speaker 1: the plate. He needs to go down to Tacoma, put
Speaker 1: the barrel on the baseball and be a confident hitter
Speaker 1: at the plate again, and probably like Hoan is in
Speaker 1: his approach again, because when you're struggling as much as
Speaker 1: he is at the big league level, you can get
Speaker 1: out of your approach after one pitch, you get a call,
Speaker 1: you take a accidentally take a fastball right down the middle,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, crap, I was supposed to crush
Speaker 1: that pitch, and then he's in his head the rest
Speaker 1: of the at bat. He needs to get back to
Speaker 1: what made him made him so great down in Tacoma,
Speaker 1: and if he's still got some developing to do against fastballs,
Speaker 1: he's just gonna have to do it the next time
Speaker 1: he's up at the big league level, which I think
Speaker 1: you are a little more optimistic about how soon he'll
Speaker 1: be up than I am. You said a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks till rosters expand I wouldn't be shocked if we
Speaker 1: just kind of wait until the Triple A season is
Speaker 1: over and then they add cold back. He's already been
Speaker 1: on the forty man and on the big league roster,
Speaker 1: so you can add him to a hypothetical playoff roster
Speaker 1: if you need to. So that part I'm not really
Speaker 1: worried about. I just need Colt to get a feet
Speaker 1: under him, and I need the Mariners to have a
Speaker 1: shortstop who doesn't have a WRS plus an eight in
Speaker 1: the lineup.
Speaker 3: But if he.
Speaker 2: Comes back on September first, when rosters expand, that's two
Speaker 2: and a half weeks down in Tacoma, and.
Speaker 1: I might leave him down there the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like he's it's not like he's
Speaker 1: just struggling at the big league level. He's not a
Speaker 1: big league bat right now. I don't know how I
Speaker 1: don't know how else we can we can describe it.
Speaker 1: He's not and I don't think I don't think two
Speaker 1: and a half weeks is going to change that.
Speaker 2: We'll see how the two and a half weeks. If
Speaker 2: he's lighting it up, then could be a different story. However,
Speaker 2: the flip side to this is you're gonna have those
Speaker 2: spots filled now by Leo Revos and Brock Rodden. That
Speaker 2: doesn't scream twenty twenty six either.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the point is to upgrade at shortstop.
Speaker 1: However you're going to do it. But like my question,
Speaker 1: you who else was gonna play short.
Speaker 2: Well, it's probably gonna be Jp Crawford again when he
Speaker 2: gets back healthy. Who By the way, there's a reason
Speaker 2: they moved him off that position, and now.
Speaker 3: He's back there.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play there, it
Speaker 1: would be spreaded.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then you have Leo Rivas and brock Rodden
Speaker 2: playing there. By the way, it's not like brock Rodden's
Speaker 2: lit the world on fire down in Tacoma.
Speaker 3: He really hasn't. He's been fine.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Leo Rivas and brock Rodden are gonna
Speaker 1: save the season at shortstop. I'm just saying it does
Speaker 1: the Mariners and Cole Emerson no good if he continues
Speaker 1: to do what he did at shortstop, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if they they leave it that way for longer.
Speaker 2: I would just warn people that rock Rodden long term
Speaker 2: could be a nice utility infielder for them. Maybe he
Speaker 2: could learn the corner outfield spots a little and be
Speaker 2: just a utility player long term. Rock Roddin's got a
Speaker 2: one zh six WRC plus and Tacoma. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: not exactly inspiring confidence that he's gonna come up and
Speaker 2: mash in the big leagues. And he's an older prospect too,
Speaker 2: he was a fifth round draft pick out of Wichita State.
Speaker 3: So this is where we're at in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: People like, this is your supposed best option now at shortstop.
Speaker 1: Well, whenever a team gets to their third best option
Speaker 1: at shortstop, like that's what's gonna happen, Like this is
Speaker 1: this is the bed the Mariners made themselves. They had
Speaker 1: a guy in JP Crawford who they thought could at
Speaker 1: least hit this season, though his defense at short is
Speaker 1: no good at all. And then their other option was
Speaker 1: a top five prospect in baseball. Now there's a gamble
Speaker 1: when you promote a prospect like that. You can get
Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall, who's a top ten player in baseball already
Speaker 1: this season, playing the same position as Colt for the Tigers. Well,
Speaker 1: or you can get Colt, who's who's on the polar
Speaker 1: opposite end of the hitting spectrum to Kevin McGonagall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, unfortunately, and I really don't like him, like
Speaker 2: watching him play shortstop defense at this point in his career.
Speaker 2: I know I'm not alone on that, but I do
Speaker 2: feel like JP just ends up going back to short
Speaker 2: when he gets healthy. I do because if you do that,
Speaker 2: it's not a perfect solution. But then Brendan Donovan goes
Speaker 2: back to third, Cole Young's at second. You don't have
Speaker 2: to have West and Wilson in the lineup every day.
Speaker 2: Like I guess, JP's defense really is brutal at shortstop
Speaker 2: these days. But and you guys know that, but offensively
Speaker 2: it might make the most sense.
Speaker 1: We'll find out when he gets back. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Next question on the mail bag comes from Patrick on Patreon.
Speaker 1: Patrick's question is favorite movies or shows you've been watching
Speaker 1: or have watched lately. Needs something to fill my time
Speaker 1: since I'm officially done with Maritors games in the evening SMH.
Speaker 3: Can't blame them.
Speaker 2: We need more questions like this, By the way, if
Speaker 2: the season's gonna keep going like this, We always want
Speaker 2: to take your guys's questions, which is why we do
Speaker 2: these mail bags. But man feel free to send things
Speaker 2: like this because we could all use some upbeat, lighthearted
Speaker 2: talk when the Maritners are playing baseball the way they're playing.
Speaker 2: So to answer your question, Patrick, I don't think TJ
Speaker 2: and I have actually gotten to sit down and recap
Speaker 2: much of House with the Dragon. But there's a show
Speaker 2: both of us have definitely been watching. I mean, season
Speaker 2: three just wrapped up. I'm assuming you also finished it
Speaker 2: like I did.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was
Speaker 1: it's it's really good.
Speaker 2: I won't give any spoilers, any crazy spoilers, but just
Speaker 2: for a second here, as we're sitting here and talking
Speaker 2: about the shows we watch, Rania has about as much
Speaker 2: confidence as Dan Wilson is a queen, doesn't she.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an insecure ass family man.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, her confidence level is not high.
Speaker 1: All of them. It runs, it runs in their blood,
Speaker 1: all of them, all in all of the essentially in
Speaker 1: all of the all of the shows about Game of Thrones,
Speaker 1: like Targarians are a crazy group man like very for
Speaker 1: all like the things they have, like very insecure group
Speaker 1: and not she She's out there giving a speech to
Speaker 1: all the people, just like Dan Wilson and making just
Speaker 1: as much sense.
Speaker 3: Well right after she well, never mind, no spoilers. I
Speaker 3: was about to say something.
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's just like it's it's just
Speaker 1: like Dan too, and like when the game's going on,
Speaker 1: when she's like when she's like work, things are speeding
Speaker 1: up on her. Yeah, just can't make the right decision
Speaker 1: in the moment, and she makes the wrong one under
Speaker 1: pressure in the backfires.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's honestly like you d parallels so that that show
Speaker 1: has been really good other.
Speaker 3: Than House of the Dragon.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if we want to stick on the Seattle theme
Speaker 2: here with people, what other show have we been watching?
Speaker 3: Hard Knocked but awesome.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to watch yet, man, I will so
Speaker 1: now that the Mariners are on the road, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: I'll get to watch a couple of the two episodes
Speaker 1: this week before they released the third one on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I still haven't gotten to watch. I've just gotten a scene.
Speaker 1: I've seen the clip of McDonald and Emon Worry talking
Speaker 1: in his in his office, which I mean just it's
Speaker 1: a great insight into like the mindset of Mike McDonald.
Speaker 1: I loved the clip of him like asserting himself on
Speaker 1: the practice field against Arek Hall. I thought that was fabulous.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's hilarious. I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: That's how episode two starts, and then they show it
Speaker 2: again later it's it's hilarious and they talk about in
Speaker 2: the episode this is why they love Derek Hall, and
Speaker 2: it's also why Derek Hall drives him crazy, because like
Speaker 2: he's so physical and like he's like, you know, he's
Speaker 2: such a grinder, and obviously he never wants to take
Speaker 2: plays off. But when you're Mike McDonald, yes, of course
Speaker 2: you're gonna be pissed in August during training camp when
Speaker 2: you're getting near the quarterback and nearly take Sam Donald's
Speaker 2: legs out.
Speaker 3: So I get it. I mean, you're right.
Speaker 2: The clip was hilarious where Derek Hall's pissed that he's
Speaker 2: getting yanked out of practice. He's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like what are we doing? What am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2: And Mike McDonald's like, you can. It's like you can
Speaker 2: say fuck all you want, you can say it all
Speaker 2: you want, But turns out I'm running the fucking practice.
Speaker 3: I thought that was again.
Speaker 1: And then of the course, people if you go scroll
Speaker 1: the comments and the quote tweets of that post, you
Speaker 1: will find people saying like man, and people like Dan Wilson.
Speaker 2: I was just about to say it is the polar opposite.
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald really is is awesome, by the way, another
Speaker 2: guy who was not the world's sharpest interview when he
Speaker 2: first started the gig, but man, in two years it
Speaker 2: has been a total one to eighty.
Speaker 3: I love listening to Mike McDonald talk. I really do.
Speaker 3: He is so insightful, he is so knowledgeable.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy just again like it didn't start
Speaker 2: that way, but now clearly he's worked on it, and
Speaker 2: he's just such a like he's such a like a
Speaker 2: bottle of knowledge and energy in his own unique way.
Speaker 3: I think it's really cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't wait to get watch in Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks so I can really see more of that. So
Speaker 1: I will make it my goal by Tuesday to watch
Speaker 1: those two episodes of Hard Knocks. The other I've been
Speaker 1: watching a lot of Drive to Survive because I've been
Speaker 1: on this f one kick this year. I love. I
Speaker 1: think it's fabulous, very very very interesting. I've also been
Speaker 1: watching Fallout Fallout, which is really good too, great music
Speaker 1: in that show. So I think that's those a couple
Speaker 1: of things I've been watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't watched either of those shows. But what
Speaker 3: else have I watched?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still due to go see the new
Speaker 2: Mandalorian movie. And you just see the new Spider Man movie.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of.
Speaker 3: That, of you.
Speaker 1: I have seen the Mando movie. It's like, it's fine,
Speaker 1: It's what you'd expect when they've gotten to this point.
Speaker 1: They're their best work they've already done on the TV show.
Speaker 1: So I'll just just say that, like, it's a good movie,
Speaker 1: but nothing that's gonna win any awards or anything like that.
Speaker 1: The Spider Man movie, I haven't. No, the only movie
Speaker 1: I've seen recently is the of like the one everyone
Speaker 1: else has seen. I saw The Odyssey nearly had my
Speaker 1: head explode because I was sitting in the third row.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't get to see as many movies
Speaker 1: these days. I don't wish I could see more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either. Wasn't there already an Odyssey movie? Though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was an old one back in like two
Speaker 1: thousand and five. It's not it wasn't called I don't
Speaker 1: think it was called the Odyssey, right, I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was called something else they can I don't remember
Speaker 1: the name. Of it, but it told it did tell
Speaker 1: I think parts of the same story, because like, the
Speaker 1: Odyssey is of like and like one of the oldest
Speaker 1: stories of humanity. Right, It's been written forever, but it
Speaker 1: was finally actually put into a high production movie.
Speaker 2: So sure you said it, and I'll take your word
Speaker 2: for it that it's one of the oldest stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely learned that school, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Yep, clearly, I'm sitting here acknowledging it.
Speaker 1: Well. Did you watch did you watch or read Percy
Speaker 1: Jackson at all?
Speaker 3: Yes? Oh, those those were really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although there's a lot of the same, a lot
Speaker 1: of the some of the things Percy did in the
Speaker 1: second book were like, that's the Odyssey.
Speaker 3: What is that one? The Sea of Monsters?
Speaker 1: Right right, that's the Odyssey.
Speaker 2: Hmm, dude, I gotta tell you they they really really
Speaker 2: blew it. About as bad as I've seen any book
Speaker 2: turned a movie blow it. Ever, with those Percy Jackson movies,
Speaker 2: with how good those books were, I thought those movies
Speaker 2: were gonna be absolutely off the charts, the same way
Speaker 2: that Harry Potter was, the same way that The.
Speaker 3: Hunger Games were.
Speaker 2: I mean, those were as bad as you can draw
Speaker 2: up those Percy Jackson movies.
Speaker 1: Well, have you seen the Disney Plus show?
Speaker 3: No, but those movies.
Speaker 1: It's much better than those movies were.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I hope you're right.
Speaker 1: I think that might save some of your disappointment the
Speaker 1: book turn to film because I actually really like those
Speaker 1: I think they're really good.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, now we know, thank you Patrick for
Speaker 2: getting us off the Mariners for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, these days, I mean, Mariners aren't making it
Speaker 1: easy to actually talk about them, so talking about other things,
Speaker 1: Arno is the end of the world?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Michael on Patreon. Michael's question is Okay,
Speaker 1: I hate saying this, but looking forward to twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: aside from the bullpen, where do you look to improve
Speaker 1: this offense and what players are you looking at to
Speaker 1: fix this Mariners team?
Speaker 3: There's not a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, this off season market is similar to this
Speaker 2: trade deadline market, which is it's not very deep. It's
Speaker 2: just once you get past scooball thin. Now, I do
Speaker 2: have a couple names. I'm just acknowledging that it's not
Speaker 2: a loaded market this offseason. The two names I will
Speaker 2: circle one is he in half, and that would be
Speaker 2: a free agent signing.
Speaker 3: Because he is exactly what this team would need.
Speaker 2: Switch hitter, versatile plays in field, plays outfield. Could hit
Speaker 2: him toward the top of the order if you have to.
Speaker 2: I think that would be a really good fit. Now,
Speaker 2: he's thirty two, so you'd have to be a little
Speaker 2: cautious about the money you'd give him, but I would
Speaker 2: say he'd be one option and the other option would
Speaker 2: be in the final year of his deal. You could
Speaker 2: try and go trade for Yandy Diaz from.
Speaker 1: The Rais assuming Randy's not back.
Speaker 2: Well, no, this is assuming Randy's gone. You bring in
Speaker 2: Yandy and they never have to cross paths. For those
Speaker 2: who don't know, I don't think Yandi and Randy really
Speaker 2: get along.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of Ian Halp. He might already
Speaker 1: be my favorite player on the market this upcoming off season,
Speaker 1: especially when you have a void of Randy. I know
Speaker 1: people are gonna make the case for Michael Royal to
Speaker 1: play left field, but if I have the choice between
Speaker 1: Michael Arroyo and Ian Hap for twenty twenty seven, I
Speaker 1: would take Ian Happ. You'd probably have to send him
Speaker 1: to a three year deal, so you might have a
Speaker 1: bad year or two even on that contract if you
Speaker 1: sign him. But I mean, if you go look at
Speaker 1: his Fangrafts or Baseball Reference page, it's like mister consistent.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna blow you away offensively. But he's never
Speaker 1: sucked ever. He's never had like a bad season. He's
Speaker 1: always like anywhere from like a win and a half
Speaker 1: to three and a half wins as a baseball player.
Speaker 1: And he's a plus defender two, which good lord, this
Speaker 1: team needs more of those on the team.
Speaker 2: He's won four straight gold Gloves in left field.
Speaker 1: I would take that every single day in the week.
Speaker 1: I'm going from that from Randy to that will be
Speaker 1: will be a great He won't be totally cheap. We
Speaker 1: were talking about this before. He's not gonna get a
Speaker 1: Randy contract since he's gonna be thirty two next year.
Speaker 1: If you get him for like three years, he's on
Speaker 1: a three for sixty right now, maybe you get him
Speaker 1: since he's a little bit older, you get him at
Speaker 1: three for forty five, three for fifty. Could you stretch
Speaker 1: the budget to that? I would think so. Getting Randy
Speaker 1: off the books, like his salary essentially swaps with Randy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think I'd take that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2: Other than that, yeah, Yandi Diaz, but that would also
Speaker 2: involve the Rays saying yes to moving him.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of time though till the offseason,
Speaker 1: so and we just got done with the trademarkt But
Speaker 1: I'd say early on, I'd say that's a pretty good
Speaker 1: name to look at on this free agent market. But
Speaker 1: as Lyell list said, it's just not it's not great.
Speaker 1: If you're hoping for this team to get significantly better
Speaker 1: this offseason, it's probably not gonna come via free agency.
Speaker 1: Have I uh, I haven't said this actually on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I created rules for the Mariners in the off season
Speaker 1: now that they're not allow to do one thing the
Speaker 1: Mariners will not be doing this offseason, if I have
Speaker 1: any say, is signing a right handed hitting.
Speaker 3: Platoon ba No, never again.
Speaker 1: They're banned from ever signing a right handed hitter who
Speaker 1: only hits lefties. I literally refuse to have another one
Speaker 1: of those on the roster as a free agent.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're as bad an OH for three as
Speaker 2: OH for three can go. Pollock, Solano, Repsneider, three.
Speaker 1: Guys who that was their last season yeah, how does
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 3: Not great? Not great? Bob.
Speaker 1: Do you want to guess what the other two rules are?
Speaker 2: Well, you told them to me earlier. So do you
Speaker 2: want me to act dam or do you want to
Speaker 2: just tell the people.
Speaker 1: I'll just tell the people. The second one is you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to hire any former players as either your manager,
Speaker 1: your GM, or your president of baseball ops. It's just
Speaker 1: not allowed if there's a candidate who has played a
Speaker 1: single game for the Seattle Mariners. I know we were like,
Speaker 1: what if they're only here a year? No, I'm setting
Speaker 1: a blanket rule. If you spend a single game in
Speaker 1: a Seattle Mariner's uniform, you're instantly disqualified from every leadership
Speaker 1: role within the organization. Done well.
Speaker 2: I don't know about if you play half a season
Speaker 2: or one season.
Speaker 1: Nope, I'm just I'm gonna make it consistent. There's no
Speaker 1: gray areas. I refuse to allow gray areas in this
Speaker 1: lysle seeming. The Mariners have made this hard enough, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make it easy for them.
Speaker 3: Not allowed, all right, No former players at.
Speaker 1: All, Donovan Solano, you can you cannot be the Seattle
Speaker 1: Mariners manager. I don't care if you sucked. You're not allowed. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: and then my last rule was gosh, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep forgetting my rules. I wrote these rules.
Speaker 3: Well, no platoons, no former players as a manager.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're not allowed to say the word World Series
Speaker 1: until you clinch a playoff spot.
Speaker 3: Ah right, yes, yep, now agreed.
Speaker 1: Let me know how you think. What do you think
Speaker 1: about those rules? In the comments below. We're gonna probably
Speaker 1: spend a whole offseason assessing how the Mariners follow those rules.
Speaker 1: Alex on Patreon asks is two thousand and two the
Speaker 1: best comparison for this Mariners team. Both came off an
Speaker 1: ALCS loss with the World Series expectations, only to end
Speaker 1: up third in the division. What should the front office
Speaker 1: learn from what happened next?
Speaker 2: Well, except the team in two thousand and two won
Speaker 2: ninety three games.
Speaker 3: They just got really unlucky and missed the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the sentiment because I get what he's getting at,
Speaker 2: But dude, I would do anything for ninety three wins
Speaker 2: from this team this year.
Speaker 3: Last year's team didn't even win ninety three games.
Speaker 1: So the team a team was just unlucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I mean, it was mostly all of the
Speaker 2: two thousand and one team. Again, it's just the Angels
Speaker 2: got hot and the A's obviously ripped off twenty in
Speaker 2: a row in two thousand and two. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: would say, I mean, can the front office learn from
Speaker 2: two thousand and two that would be a long way
Speaker 2: back to go.
Speaker 1: Well, they can learn that they didn't set themselves up
Speaker 1: well for the future, which is ironic given some of
Speaker 1: the conversations we've had and my twenty twenty six focus
Speaker 1: of this baseball team and not considering the years twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven or twenty twenty eight. So like what they
Speaker 1: can learn is just you need to be better more
Speaker 1: than just this single year. Yeah, isn't that weird to
Speaker 1: hear me? Hear me saying that. I think that's what
Speaker 1: they learned. I think they learned that you can't just
Speaker 1: like hedge all your chips on the one, two three
Speaker 1: season and then they were just bad for another ten
Speaker 1: years and unable to recover that back. So I think
Speaker 1: they've set themselves up a little bit better beyond the season.
Speaker 1: But better is you know, a relative term, because in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three the Mariners also won ninety three games.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many games next year's Mariners
Speaker 1: are gonna win. I don't think they're gonna win ninety
Speaker 1: three games. I've never seen the Mariners win ninety three games.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's like. But if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give a general answer, I'd say, have a have a
Speaker 1: better farm system and draft better.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Agreed.
Speaker 1: So Ralph on Patreon is next and he asks what
Speaker 1: do you make of Cal's comments to the media this week,
Speaker 1: in particular his comments about placing the blame on himself.
Speaker 3: I would say there's two elements to this.
Speaker 2: There's the part of Cal going out of his way
Speaker 2: to try to take ownership for a lot of what's
Speaker 2: happened this season. And for that, it's one of the
Speaker 2: things I always give Cal credit for. He keeps things
Speaker 2: very real. He does not shy away from any real
Speaker 2: I mean, he does not shy away from much of anything.
Speaker 2: He knows it's been a tough go for him this year.
Speaker 2: Even though he is likely playing hurt, He's not making excuses,
Speaker 2: and for that I always commend him.
Speaker 3: But going out of your way to.
Speaker 2: He might feel like he has to, because look, the
Speaker 2: players are online. No matter what they tell you, they
Speaker 2: see things. They see almost everything. I'm sure these guys
Speaker 2: know that Dan Wilson's getting absolutely torched on the daily.
Speaker 2: So maybe Cal felt, especially because of the relationship that
Speaker 2: him and Dan have, that he needed to just get
Speaker 2: into the public and try and defend Dan. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I just don't know how much there
Speaker 2: is to defend with the way he's managed that those
Speaker 2: are the two sides of them.
Speaker 1: While Dan's not going to defend himself from these decisions
Speaker 1: than the leader of the team, Cal Rawley's gonna have to.
Speaker 1: He's doing what leaders do, right, He's going to try
Speaker 1: and take some responsibility. And frankly, he is right. There
Speaker 1: is no there's been no one who's impacted the team
Speaker 1: by poor play more than Cal this season. That's right. If,
Speaker 1: as he said, he's sucked offensively, he has, and if
Speaker 1: he didn't suck, I think the Mariners would mean a
Speaker 1: lot better position than they currently are. I totally understand
Speaker 1: that where he says it's not really Dan's fault, I
Speaker 1: don't really agree with no, not not entirely. There's obviously
Speaker 1: there's plenty of blame to go around. Dan's not the
Speaker 1: only one who impacts wins or losses. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's it's nice that someone is willing to step
Speaker 1: up and take accountability for this team. But also like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like it is what it is at this point,
Speaker 1: like everyone knows how what it is. Like I appreciate
Speaker 1: cal saying something, but we all see what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, sometimes I think even more so than
Speaker 2: the players. And what I mean by that is not
Speaker 2: that we have more insight than the players or we
Speaker 2: know or we you know, have more baseball knowledge than
Speaker 2: the players. That's not what I'm saying, because I'm say
Speaker 2: these guys are pros, are major leaguers. But we've talked
Speaker 2: about this before. These guys have such a job to
Speaker 2: do on the regular that they're so focused on so
Speaker 2: many specific things that they don't have the time to
Speaker 2: be analyzing bullpen decisions the way we do. And I
Speaker 2: honestly think they don't see or really stop to think
Speaker 2: about some of the things that go down. But we
Speaker 2: all have the ability to stop and think that, And
Speaker 2: that's why sometimes fans perspective is an interesting one and
Speaker 2: a different one than players, and not always the wrong one,
Speaker 2: because the players do see a side of all this
Speaker 2: that we don't get to see. And I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: things that they like about their clubhouse and like about
Speaker 2: their coaching staff that we don't get to see. There's
Speaker 2: also things that we see, for much more of a
Speaker 2: bird's eye view perspective, that they don't see because they're
Speaker 2: so fixated on certain things. And I don't think they're
Speaker 2: sitting there analyzing bullpen decisions. If they were, they'd be
Speaker 2: seeing the same thing that we're seeing. It's not rocket science, guys,
Speaker 2: and you guys listening all know that.
Speaker 1: Right one percent agree. Cameron on Patreon has quite a
Speaker 1: doozy of a question. He asks, if you had to
Speaker 1: pick one, who would you want on the Mariners next season?
Speaker 1: Option A is just Dan Wilson, Option B is twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, Abraham Touro, Option C is twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: Dylan Moore, and Option D is twenty twenty six. Rob Refsnyder.
Speaker 2: That's a great question, Cameron. This is why we take
Speaker 2: Patreon questions. And I'll just answer for both TJ and I.
Speaker 2: It's Abe Torow twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I had the same answer. Actually, you know why you did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know why. You know why you know why, because
Speaker 1: you can just option him down to triple A.
Speaker 3: Oh you're you're no fun.
Speaker 1: What I mean? See, let's go through it. Option A.
Speaker 1: Mariners are clearly unwilling to fire Dan Wilson if the
Speaker 1: season requires it. Number one, Uh, Dylan Moore twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five didn't have any options left. He's your longest tenured player.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hold on to him as long as humanly
Speaker 1: possible until you have literally no choice but to let
Speaker 1: him go. And then twenty twenty six, Rob Refsnudder. I
Speaker 1: don't know how Rob Refsnudter survived on the roster as
Speaker 1: long as he did this season, but the man made
Speaker 1: it all the way until August before getting let go.
Speaker 1: So like at least with Abe Toro, right like Abe
Speaker 1: Toro was stuck on the roster, Abe Trow would not
Speaker 1: be stuck on this roster. If he was playing the
Speaker 1: way he was, he would be sent down to the
Speaker 1: minor leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I wanted to sit here and say
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five Dylan Moore simply because he was just versatile.
Speaker 2: And then I remember, just about a year ago when
Speaker 2: we did the exercise on this very podcast about how
Speaker 2: after learning and looking up the numbers and finding out
Speaker 2: that Dylan Moore and his ability to hit left handed
Speaker 2: pitching had gone to a one forty ops again in
Speaker 2: a three month stretch, like for a man that was
Speaker 2: on the roster to hit lefties, and Dylan Moore he
Speaker 2: was not hitting one forty batting.
Speaker 3: Average wise, he was opsing.
Speaker 2: One forty over three month stretch against left handed pitching,
Speaker 2: which led us to the podcast exercise of going through
Speaker 2: and saying, could felnin Celliston back when he was in
Speaker 2: Everett the ops ing one forty against lefties in the
Speaker 2: big leagues? Could your hair Batista literally not even in
Speaker 2: the Complex League yet be opsing one in the big leagues?
Speaker 2: That was a real podcast exercise we did with a
Speaker 2: bunch of the minor leaguers.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, Devo's out, ref Snider's.
Speaker 2: Out, Dan's certainly out, and then that leaves Abe Toro
Speaker 2: kN Kratz.
Speaker 1: Abe and his ops I think is higher than all
Speaker 1: of theirs.
Speaker 3: Well there you go. Love to see it.
Speaker 1: Abe was opsing like five hundred, which is like monumental
Speaker 1: compared to what Refsnutterer and Demo were doing.
Speaker 3: It. It really is a shame. I say it all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: It's a shame this podcast was not in full swing
Speaker 2: during twenty twenty two. Abe Toro is it is a
Speaker 2: side of TJ that is one of my favorite sides
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. This dude every day would send me
Speaker 2: messages and like all capital letters, just demanding for his
Speaker 2: DFA and his send down and is anything.
Speaker 1: He was awful? I mean he was not so bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was good. He wasn't good.
Speaker 1: Twenty two starts at d H with a five hundred ops.
Speaker 3: Yeah that he made.
Speaker 1: A buddy, buddy, that's your job.
Speaker 2: Yeah sad, it's just yeah.
Speaker 1: Xander asks you guys have any plans in October Cancun?
Speaker 3: Maybe one, two three can coon?
Speaker 1: Some people say, I mean someone wants to fly us
Speaker 1: down to Cancun in October? I'm down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do do any of those all inclusive resorts down
Speaker 2: in Cancun or honestly Cabo too, any of those really
Speaker 2: nice uh beach towns in Mexico with all inclusive resorts?
Speaker 2: Anybody looking for some podcast sponsorship? Honestly, we don't even
Speaker 2: We don't have to take the money. If you just
Speaker 2: give us an all inclusive or like an all expect
Speaker 2: is paid trip to the all inclusive resort.
Speaker 3: We'll do some ad reads for you. I will pay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, send us an email. We're down as sitting too
Speaker 1: and uh in chats some business. I would love some
Speaker 1: sun in October please.
Speaker 2: I mean while the Mariners are sitting at home on
Speaker 2: their couch, or maybe we'll run into them in cancuon some.
Speaker 3: Of the players.
Speaker 2: We'll be sitting like fifteen drinks fifteen drinks deep at
Speaker 2: the pool and Cabo, just setting up to record an
Speaker 2: impromptu pod about well, Mariners are out of it? What
Speaker 2: do we want to talk about today while the playoffs
Speaker 2: are going on? Shout out to our friends at Resort X.
Speaker 1: What if Dan goes to Cancun? No, what if he
Speaker 1: goes to the same resort we were.
Speaker 3: At, Invite him on the pod.
Speaker 1: If he wants to come on.
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding that would be that would I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do that disservice to all our listeners to put people
Speaker 2: through like twenty to thirty minutes of that interview. Well,
Speaker 2: what if we ran into a at the resort and
Speaker 2: a certain Jeff passing notification happened to pop up on
Speaker 2: our phone and we were.
Speaker 3: Like, do you see this.
Speaker 2: You see I'm not gonna say what the pass and
Speaker 2: notification is. I'm just gonna let the people make it inference.
Speaker 2: In an exception for themselves.
Speaker 1: There will be lots of lots of cheering.
Speaker 3: I would be down for Cancun in October.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, aside from that, I don't think we have any
Speaker 2: ridiculous I have.
Speaker 1: Two weddings in the first fifteen days of October.
Speaker 2: Oh right, you do. We were worried about that at
Speaker 2: the start of the year. At the start because at
Speaker 2: the start of the year we were like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: that that could really intertwine with playoff baseball, and you know,
Speaker 2: are the Mariner's going to be playing? Are they gonna
Speaker 2: have an off day? What time is the game going
Speaker 2: to be at? Well, it's look a little different now.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was sweating it more earlier in
Speaker 1: the season, in like May, when I'm planning this stuff up,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, like I might have like a wedding
Speaker 1: during the wild card slash Alds and the Alcus potentially
Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, what are we gonna do
Speaker 1: if I'm like, I can't be away. But I'm also
Speaker 1: like I'm in these weddings, so I can't, like I
Speaker 1: can't or I'm in the especially the later one.
Speaker 2: I'm in the later one. Yeah, the later one that
Speaker 2: you have to travel for. You're in the other one.
Speaker 2: I mean you're just there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other one. I could sit in the back
Speaker 1: and watch on my phone if I wanted to. So,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 1: And now it's like, I'm good? Yeah, probably almost certainly,
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I mean my October is pretty empty right now because
Speaker 2: because we weren't planning on planning anything in October because
Speaker 2: we thought we would have.
Speaker 3: A lot to do. Now, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I will plan a trip for myself. I don't
Speaker 2: get to take many just personal vacations these days. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll figure something out.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Lyle will be cantcuon on three.
Speaker 3: That would be great. I sorry, let me rephrase it
Speaker 3: wouldn't be great.
Speaker 2: And TJ also wishes he was stressing about having to
Speaker 2: manage weddings and playoff baseball because that's what we all want.
Speaker 3: Correct, We're not getting it right now, so no.
Speaker 1: And doesn't seem like we will get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cheryl on Patreon asks do you think Griffy being on
Speaker 1: the ownership team is impacting Dan's continued tenure as manager.
Speaker 2: No, I mean Griffy's not. Griffy's not on the board.
Speaker 2: He is a very small minority stake in the team.
Speaker 2: So I don't think so. Griffy doesn't really get to
Speaker 2: make decisions as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: I also think it's no. I think I think John
Speaker 1: Stanton is a pretty big fan of Dan Wilson, I would.
Speaker 3: Guess, and probably Chris Larsen too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Larsen too, I would assume. But no, I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't really think Griffy is the answer
Speaker 1: to anything ownership related. Yeah, like he he gets his
Speaker 1: whatever profit share of the team at the end of
Speaker 1: every year that he's bought in, and he gets to
Speaker 1: make appearances, and he gets a parking spot in the
Speaker 1: garage and gets to hang out in the owner suite.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, like I know, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so either. Now,
Speaker 3: the other part of this is, what's the second part
Speaker 3: of this question?
Speaker 1: Is there is there anyone on the current team whose
Speaker 1: contract is not expiring in twenty twenty six? Or twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven. You think should be offered a contract like
Speaker 1: Cole Emerson or Josh Naylor.
Speaker 3: Offering an extension so to speak, or a long term.
Speaker 1: Deal, probably yeah, or I guess if they were to
Speaker 1: hit free agency, they'd get resigned. I mean the pitchers,
Speaker 1: almost everyone in the rotation. If they got a ninety
Speaker 1: if you could sign them for ninety five million dollars,
Speaker 1: I would do it. But I don't think any of
Speaker 1: those guys are taking a ninety five million dollar contract.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The priorities would be Logan Gilbert and Brian lou But
Speaker 2: those guys are going to demand more money.
Speaker 1: And I don't think Cole Young is a ninety five
Speaker 1: million dollar player yet. He's been good, but I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And for him, honestly at this point,
Speaker 1: don't take like a low ball deal right now. Just
Speaker 1: keep playing, keep playing. If things work out the way
Speaker 1: he wants, by the time this new CBA has agreed upon,
Speaker 1: he could be one year closer to free agency, right
Speaker 1: so then than that de incentivizes taking an extension.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Three more questions to go. Nick on Patreon ask asks
Speaker 1: why isn't more being made of this Dan Wilson comment
Speaker 1: from Saturday's game quote, I don't love assessing losses.
Speaker 3: What else more can we say?
Speaker 2: Like, I mean he doesn't like assessing wins either, because
Speaker 2: he doesn't elaborate on anything. Ever, I like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how much there is to really say, you know,
Speaker 2: like like, but.
Speaker 1: I also like, like, first of all, I didn't get
Speaker 1: to see the quote. I haven't seen like the clip,
Speaker 1: Like I think context does matters as opposed to Nick
Speaker 1: just leaving the quote in a question for us to
Speaker 1: like assess based on the words. I would like to
Speaker 1: actually see the clip. But also like again, like Dan
Speaker 1: kind of just says stuff like he said Dylan Moore
Speaker 1: had been really good for the team last year. Like
Speaker 1: clearly that's not right, So like maybe he doesn't actually
Speaker 1: maybe that means absolutely nothing, And that's just like what
Speaker 1: came to his brain and what he said as opposed
Speaker 1: to like what he actually does. Right, Like does that
Speaker 1: make sense you.
Speaker 2: Said it at the start of this episode. He takes
Speaker 2: a few positives ignores the negatives. The one thing I'll
Speaker 2: add for context that you didn't say at the start
Speaker 2: of the episode is you got to add in some
Speaker 2: ums and your nose and pauses and then a tough
Speaker 2: one and then maybe a difficult one in a difficult day.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like he doesn't say things, so Nick maybe
Speaker 2: right that he doesn't like assessing losses. And again I
Speaker 2: haven't seen the clip either, much like TJ, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't like a s wins either.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to like assessing, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's I honestly think that's it right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: wins or losses doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: It's just the same, and that's the problem, to be clear.
Speaker 2: But yeah, what are we gonna do? We're just two
Speaker 2: dumb podcasters, right.
Speaker 1: Robert on Patreon asks TJ and Lyle, you guys should
Speaker 1: use your platform to start a petition for Dorktown to
Speaker 1: do an update video on the continued futility and weirdness
Speaker 1: of this franchise. That's been five years, There's been a
Speaker 1: lot more to add, Honestly, Robert facts, a Dorktown episode
Speaker 1: on the twenty one to twenty twenty six Seattle Mariners
Speaker 1: would be so good.
Speaker 3: Oh it would.
Speaker 2: It would be a perfect, perfect, not thirty for thirty
Speaker 2: but docuseries to put out during the lockout.
Speaker 3: It would be so perfect.
Speaker 2: We could do podcast episodes all centered around that. And
Speaker 2: if you're the guys at Dorktown and you think about
Speaker 2: doing more content and you want more content, I mean,
Speaker 2: think about everything that's happened in the last six years.
Speaker 2: You you start with Kevin Mather, and then you go
Speaker 2: to the Kelnick stuff and the fifty Well I was
Speaker 2: actually going chronologically because I'm still at twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: I guess Kellnick and Mather tie in but admitting to
Speaker 2: manipulating service time. And then Jared doesn't make the opening
Speaker 2: day roster and then he only gets six games into
Speaker 2: Cooma and then they yank him up and he clearly
Speaker 2: wasn't ready and then he's up and down, and then
Speaker 2: you go to twenty two where you have the fight
Speaker 2: and you have pizza being delivered to Jesse Winker inside
Speaker 2: the clubhouse in Anaheim, and then you've got I mean,
Speaker 2: you've got all the Julio stuff too, with him coming
Speaker 2: up and winning a Rookie of the Year, and then
Speaker 2: well they break the drought. But yeah, then you go
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three and you get fifty four percent.
Speaker 2: You get George Kirby being like being pissed off that
Speaker 2: he got put back in a game, and you get
Speaker 2: Paul Sewald with some pretty interesting comments after he left Seattle,
Speaker 2: saying that you know, he would have been pretty furious
Speaker 2: if he had still been in Seattle when a lot
Speaker 2: of those comments went down. There was the cal comments
Speaker 2: about like a demanding more out of ownership. You get
Speaker 2: Scott getting fired and the ridiculous way that Dan got hired.
Speaker 2: Then you get twenty five when they make the Alcs run,
Speaker 2: and then not going to Andre's Munos in game seven. Look,
Speaker 2: I mean there's so much. And then you get the
Speaker 2: piggyback stuff this year, and you get the six man
Speaker 2: this year, and then you get the I mean whatever else.
Speaker 2: All I will ask is if they do a part
Speaker 2: two of Dorktown, Carry Carpenter better be in there like
Speaker 2: that at bat better be fucking in that docu series,
Speaker 2: because it was a disgrace.
Speaker 1: The epitome of the Dan Wilson tenure as Mariner's manager.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe Munhos and Bizardo in Game seven
Speaker 2: even more so. But as I always say, well, the
Speaker 2: Carry Carpenter decision did not have the same magnitude as
Speaker 2: not going to Munos in Game seven. By the nuts
Speaker 2: and bolts and the numbers of decision. It's the worst
Speaker 2: decision I've ever seen, Mae in a game.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll add your reaction to the Dorktown episode. They'll
Speaker 1: just splice it in if.
Speaker 3: They're listening John Boyce and I feel bad. I'm blanket
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 1: Other I think it's just John Boyce.
Speaker 2: Now, well, if you have full permission right here of
Speaker 2: the Marine Layer podcast to use every reaction we had
Speaker 2: to the kry Carbon or Homer in in the docu series.
Speaker 1: It's a bummer we've been. We tried early on to
Speaker 1: get John boys on the show unsuccessfully. We wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about Dorktown, but it was unsuccessful. Maybe we'll try
Speaker 1: and get him on again and pitch him, pitch them
Speaker 1: our idea.
Speaker 3: This was really early on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well he tried, had his email, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no success. Final question on the mailbag comes from Michael
Speaker 1: on Patreon. Michael's question is if we miss the playoffs,
Speaker 1: what are each of yours your quote unquote bare minimums
Speaker 1: for what needs to happen in the off season.
Speaker 2: I don't know how most of this coaching staff is
Speaker 2: gonna survive if they miss the playoffs.
Speaker 3: In this season.
Speaker 2: Where you had expectations as high as ever in AO West,
Speaker 2: as bad as ever, an American league, as bad as ever,
Speaker 2: a team on paper that's about as good as you've
Speaker 2: ever had, and you don't even make the playoffs. I
Speaker 2: don't know how that doesn't get shaken up in the offseason.
Speaker 2: So that would be one and number two, for the
Speaker 2: love of God, get another leverage bullpen arm. You have
Speaker 2: been missing one ever since you whipped on Duran. That's
Speaker 2: where my priority lies. Get a legit reliever, Not Sir
Speaker 2: Anthony Demingez, not Caleb Ferguson, nobody like that. Get a
Speaker 2: legit reliever.
Speaker 1: So the way you're saying it is that sounds like
Speaker 1: something that will happen regardless, Like there are plenty of
Speaker 1: things I would say, regardless of if they make the
Speaker 1: postseason or not, they need to do. Leverage reliever is
Speaker 1: definitely one of them. I don't give a shit if
Speaker 1: they win the World Series or not, they need more
Speaker 1: leverage bullpen arms.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna happen, regardless, they haven't
Speaker 2: done it like they whipped on Duran.
Speaker 1: And they still regardless, that should That's what I should.
Speaker 2: But we're asking bare minimum. That is my bare minimum.
Speaker 2: You better go get another leverage arm because they haven't
Speaker 2: done so. They have ever since they missed on Duran.
Speaker 2: They've been searching for that guy and haven't found it.
Speaker 1: I think they should do that, even if they win
Speaker 1: the World Series somehow this year. In my opinion, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my bare minimum. Regardless, the bullpen needs
Speaker 1: more arms. Your thinking about the coaching staff as I
Speaker 1: think the bare minimum. I don't see how you could
Speaker 1: underperform like that, And I don't think how most of
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, pitching side included, survives this because it's
Speaker 1: been a group effort. You know who's been really bad
Speaker 1: the last couple of months, the pitching staff.
Speaker 2: M I don't know if the pitching staff would get overhauled.
Speaker 2: It's possible, but.
Speaker 1: But at some point, do you want a friend start?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair, it's fair, like a get.
Speaker 1: I don't like calling for people's jobs. We never like
Speaker 1: calling for people's jobs, and I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker 1: But at some point, like eighty five wins ain't enough,
Speaker 1: like the Mariners could be getting way more out of
Speaker 1: their roster. I think than they currently are. Like, look
Speaker 1: at the two teams with the two best records in baseball,
Speaker 1: the Brewers in the race, they get everything out of
Speaker 1: their roster. Everything. Yeah, I don't think the Mariners get
Speaker 1: the most out of their roster. Fair, And I think
Speaker 1: the Mariners in this offseason, if they miss the playoffs,
Speaker 1: need to sit and answer the question on whether they
Speaker 1: think they're getting the most out of what they put
Speaker 1: on the field.
Speaker 3: Totally fair.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good answer. Well, shout out to
Speaker 2: you guys for the mailbag. Always good questions. Again, if
Speaker 2: the season keeps going the way it's going, feel free
Speaker 2: to mix in some of the fun non baseball questions too,
Speaker 2: Just to again like, these are supposed to be fun.
Speaker 3: These podcasts are supposed to be fun.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to be entertaining, and obviously we want to
Speaker 2: sit here and try and entertain as best we can,
Speaker 2: so feel free to mix a bunch of those in
Speaker 2: with that. That just about wraps up this edition of
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