1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: is Col's Week in Review with Ryan cow Kalahan. Here's Cal. 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: A TikToker in Oregon is making waves on social media 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: by pretending to be a girl on the dating app 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Hinge and then stealing phishing spots from unsuspecting would be lovers. 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: It's actually I'm not even mad, that's amazing. The user, 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: who goes by the handle at central dot Oregon dot 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: fishing has posted dozens of videos on the social media 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: app and racked up an impressive two hundred and twenty 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: six thousand followers. His cat fishing technique is pretty simple. 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: He creates a fake Hinge profile as an attractive woman 12 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: and then messages with guys who think they've won the 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: lottery a hot girl who wants me to take her 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: fishing sign me up. He pumps them for information about 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: their favorite fishing spots, information they probably don't share with 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: their closest friends, and then makes videos about the fish 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: he catches at those spots. I have no way of 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: knowing whether or not his gambit is real, but if 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: it is, I got to give him credit for being 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: an astute observer of human nature. There's only one thing 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: a dedicated angler cares about more than fishing, and this 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: guy has figured it out. And if you're a single 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: fisherman in Oregon, it's probably best to keep your date 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: in suspense about where you plan to take her. This week, 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: we've got wyworms and people don't mix, corner crossing rhinos, 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: and so much more of it. First, I'm gonna tell 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 1: you about my week, and my week has been tough. 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to knock out all the responsibilities before my 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: hunting season really starts up in Alaska at the end 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: of the month. Knock off the travel, focus on the gear, 31 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: replace the broken and abused stuff, and keep flinging arrows, 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: a lot of them of that. I'm sitting here recording 33 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: this as the comment period comes to an end for 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: the USDA reorganization, which will shut down regional offices such 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: as the one here in Missoula, Montana. Fear is that 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: because the closest regional office will be in Salt Lake City, 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: in my case, we're going to lose out on quick 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: local input. For instance, what fires we should let burn, 39 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: which Chief Schultz is not into right now, and what 40 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: fires we should let run so you know hunters can 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: be happy the coming fall and spring when that little 42 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: burn zones an ecological hotspot. Then tomorrow the public comment 43 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: period for the recision of the roadless rule opens. Fifty 44 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: eight million acres of designated roadless areas across the West, 45 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: the good stuff for a ton of hunters and anglers 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: that want to get away from the crowds. I gotta 47 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: tell you the reason the USDA is pushing this is 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: not to increase timber production. No, nobody has announced a 49 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: magical finance mechanism that pays crews to mechanically thin timber, 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: which they always talk about. It's the type of timber 51 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: cutting that somebody has to pay you to do, not 52 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: the type of timber cutting you get paid to do. Rescinding. 53 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: Roadless is about punching in roads for mineral extraction, which 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: we very well may need in some areas. But here's 55 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: the fun fact. If anyone tells you the only way 56 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: to build roads in a couple of areas for any 57 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: purpose is to throw out the entire roadless designation for 58 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: fifty eight million acres, well, friends and neighbors, gotta tell 59 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: you don't buy that. Bs. We need to make these 60 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: people do the hard work. Fifty eight million acres is 61 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: a lot of country, essentially, none of which is the 62 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: exact same, So why do we want to treat it 63 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: all the same. Let's not buy into the bs that 64 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: the management of fifty eight million acres needs to be 65 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: all one way or all the other. Hell, not that 66 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: many lights switches operate that way anymore. Seems to be 67 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: a dimmer switch on darn near anything. That's what I'm 68 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: gonna write in and tell him at the USDA and 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: my representative's office. This is lazy management. Let's act like 70 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: we're dealing with extremely valuable public land that deserves unique 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: management fitting of the uniqueness of the land itself. Moving on, 72 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: I have an unfortunate update for you over at the 73 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: screwworm desk. A man in Maryland has the honor of 74 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: being the first confirmed human case of the New World 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: screwworm since the most recent outbreak in Central America. The 76 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: man has not been identified, but Reuter's reported last week 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: that he had recently traveled to El Salvador. Initial reports 78 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: were that he came from Guatemala, but the Department of 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: Health and Human Services has since corrected the mistake. The 80 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 1: threat to humans from the flesh eating parasite is pretty 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: darn low. The worms are deposited when a New World 82 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: screwworm fly lays its eggs in an exposed wound, and 83 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: then those eggs hatch into maggots and burrow into the flesh. 84 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Once a person gets it, the maggots must be removed surgically, 85 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: the wound is cleaned, and then the patient undergoes around 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: to antibiotics. It's not the kind of thing that can 87 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: spread from person to person, and the unfortunate Maryland mand 88 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: is the first Homo sapien in the US to get it. 89 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: In years since our last report, US Department of Agriculture 90 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Secretary Brook Rawlins announced plans to build a sterile fly 91 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: facility in Texas as part of efforts to combat the pest. 92 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: These sterile flies are released into the population, which slowly 93 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: dwindles as it becomes unable to reproduce. Ranchers are pretty 94 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: rattled as they fear the parasite coming north and infecting 95 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: their herds, and wildlife biologists are also concerned, especially for 96 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: white tailed deer. We'll let you know if there are 97 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: any future updates, and for more information, you can read 98 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: Eli Fournier's article over at the meateater dot com move 99 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: it on to the crime desk. A hunting outfitter in 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: Montana has been accused of shooting a grizzly bear and 101 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: then failing to report the kill for two weeks. Court 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: documents say that Bryant Mickelson of Timber Mountain Outfitters has 103 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: been indicted for a misdemeanor. Officials say he shot at 104 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: grizzly during the spring black bear hunt back in May. 105 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: It's unclear if he did so intentionally. It's sometimes difficult 106 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: to distinguish between a grizzly bear and a black bear, 107 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: and most years we hear stories of hunters getting in 108 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: trouble for mistaking one for the other. Experienced guides and 109 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: outfitters shouldn't make this mistake, but it's not out of 110 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: the realm of possibility. What's landed Mickelson in trouble is 111 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: that instead of walking up to the bear, realizing his 112 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: mistake and reporting it right away, he allegedly sent photos 113 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: of himself with the bear to his buddies. Those messages 114 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: allegedly indicate that he knew the bear was a grizzly, 115 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: but he failed to report the kill for two full weeks. 116 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: We don't know why he eventually decided to call it in, 117 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: but you can probably guess. In any case, his tardiness 118 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: could earn him a fine of ten thousand dollars and 119 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: one year of probation. He's reportedly struck a deal with 120 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: the prosecutors that will levy this penalty in exchange for 121 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: a guin guilty PLEA speaking out fitters, behaving Badly and 122 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: Arizona man was recently sentenced to a full year in 123 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: prison for operating an illegal guiding service in Colorado, among 124 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: many other violations. The investigation began when game wardens in 125 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: Colorado became suspicious that fifty six year old Timothy Rawlings 126 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: was guiding clients in the state without the proper licenses. 127 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: He owned and operated Old West Guides and Outfitters in Lavigne, Arizona, 128 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: but he was apparently leading hunts for deer, elk, mountain lions, 129 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: and bears in Colorado. Unfortunately for Old Tim, the Feds 130 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: got involved because his crimes crossed state lines. Most of 131 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: his clients lived outside of Colorado, which meant that the 132 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: animals they killed ran afoul of the Lasiact. This law 133 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: originally passed all the way back in nineteen hundred, makes 134 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: it a federal crime to take poached animals across state lines. 135 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: Rawlins was also convicted of conspiracy to violate the Lasiact, 136 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: which means he knew what he was doing and he 137 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: took steps to give investigators the slip. And Rawlins didn't 138 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: just fail to register as a guide in Colorado. He 139 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: also bought and sold landowner vouchers, shot from vehicles, chased 140 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: animals with vehicles, hunted in unlicensed in unpermitted lands, and 141 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: failed to register animals taken, including mount lions. Along with 142 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: his year in the federal Slammer, Rawlins will also have 143 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: to serve three years of supervised release and pay forty 144 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: five eight hundred dollars in restitution. This is the type 145 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: of character that makes me want to remind you that 146 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: we don't call them bad hunters. We call them poachers 147 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: for a reason, because they're outlaws. You'll be unsurprised to 148 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: hear that Rawlins wasn't the only fellow who got caught 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: up in this scheme. Seventy one year old Howard Rodermrel 150 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: was also sentenced and find for Lazy Act violations. But 151 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: he didn't receive jail time. To add a little more 152 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: meat to the bones, or received an email from a 153 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: listener who says he's from the same town as Howard. 154 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: Says Howard's crimes were local knowledge for years, but the 155 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: game wardens weren't able to pin anything on him. Several 156 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: of this listener's friends told him they stopped hunting in 157 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: the area because quote Howard poaches anything good. Good on 158 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: the Mortons and federal agents for giving this guy their 159 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: just desserts. I hope they've learned their lesson. Moving even 160 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: further west to California, the wildlife agency there announced that 161 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: they'd recently busted illegal marijuana growers who had been diverting 162 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: water from famous steelhead fisheries. The California Department of Fish 163 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: and Wildlife said they recently served twenty one search warrants 164 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: on weed growing operations in Mendocino County, just north of 165 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: San fran They eradicated forty six thousand cannabis plants and 166 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: destroyed thirteen thousand, six hundred pounds of processed weed during 167 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: the process. They also confiscated thirteen firearms, a stolen vehicle, 168 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: and two poached blacktail deer, including a dough To make 169 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: matters worse, they also realized that these cush cultivators had 170 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: made nineteen illegal water diversions from local rivers. Two of 171 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: those rivers, the Russian River and the El are some 172 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: of the state's most famous steelhead fisheries. Riding over at 173 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com, Age Marshall reports that the 174 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: Russian River was once one of the more premier steelhead 175 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: fishing rivers in the world, though impact from logging, dams, 176 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: water diversions, and development have left it a remnant of 177 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: its former self. The Yel River remains a decent wild 178 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: steelhead fishery and will soon have two major dams removed, 179 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: potentially improving the fishery's long term health. Moving to international 180 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: wildlife crime, the world's most famous rhino breeder has been 181 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: accused of selling rhino horns on the international market. Eighty 182 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: three year old John Hume owns one of the world's 183 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: biggest rhino ranches, a twenty thousand acre property near Johannesburg, 184 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: South Africa that's home to over sixteen hundred white rhinos. 185 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Hume has styled himself as a conservationist and a savior 186 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: of the species, but investigators say he also funnels rhino 187 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: horns into illegal markets in Southeast Asia. In total, they 188 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: believe Hume and five co conspirators smuggled nine hundred and 189 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: sixty four rhino horns valued at fourteen point one million dollars. 190 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: You can buy and sell rhino horns in South Africa 191 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: with the proper permits, but it is illegal to ship 192 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: them out of the country. For his part, Hume has 193 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: denied any wrongdoing. He has also argued previously that allowing 194 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: rhino ranches to profit from the horns will incentivize more 195 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: operations like his own. That's right. You just let him 196 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: sell the horns on the black market, then we can 197 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: have more rhinos behind fences. This, he says, will result 198 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: in more rhinos on the landscape, even if they're held 199 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: as livestock within ranches. Opponents argue that tying monetary incentives 200 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: to wildlife is always dangerous. There's a long history of that, 201 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: and that's even more true when it comes to endangered 202 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: and threatened species. We'll see how the legal process plays out. 203 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: South African law enforcement says they've been conducting this investigation 204 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: for seven years, so I imagine they have a fair amount 205 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: of evidence to back up their accusations. I have two 206 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: more for you, both involved hunters who helped solve crimes 207 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: rather than commit them. In the first story, a pair 208 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: of hunting guides in Maine helped police chase down a 209 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: shooting suspect. Matt Yorke and Kyle Bodett told local media 210 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: that they witnessed one man shoot another in broad daylight 211 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: in the town of Wyndham last week. Investigators say there 212 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: is no connection between the suspect and the victim, so 213 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: the shooting appears to have been random. York and Bodett 214 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: operate a guiding service for Bears, Deer and Bobcat, and 215 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: they were picking up a U haul truck when they 216 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: witnessed the shooting. They decided to go after the suspect, 217 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: and they say they followed his car into a parking 218 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: lot and rear ended him. They called police once the 219 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: suspect turned back onto the main road and gave a 220 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: description of the vehicle and the license plate, but they 221 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: abandoned the chase after they turned a corner and saw 222 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: the suspect pointing a gun at them, which I suppose 223 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: is understandable. Plus, like, what type of insurance. Did they 224 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: get on that U haul right. The suspect was found 225 00:12:54,760 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: later with a self inflicted gunshot wound. Along similar line, 226 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: a Minnesota angler may have helped solve a thirty year 227 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: old cold case. Brody Locke told local media that he 228 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: was fishing the Mississip when he noticed a large object 229 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: appear on his sonar device. The object turned out to 230 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: be a buick, and when officials pulled it out of 231 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: the water, they realized it was connected to a man 232 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: who went missing all the way back in nineteen sixty seven. 233 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Car belonged to Roy Ben, who, at age fifty nine, 234 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: was reported missing to the Benton County Sheriff's office. He 235 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: was never seen again, but officials at the time said 236 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: he disappeared while carrying a large sum of money. What 237 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: happened to Ben has been the cause of much speculation, 238 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: but thanks to old Brody and his fish finder, they're 239 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: one step closer to getting his family some answers. Officials 240 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: haven't said whether Ben appears to have been injured prior 241 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: to going in the river, but I'm sure they'll update 242 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: the public as soon as they're able. Moving on to 243 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: the public land desk, speaking of getting onto land we 244 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: all own some new development On the Wyoming corner crossing case. 245 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: First up, a coalition of ranchers, landowners, and advocacy groups 246 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: have officially petitioned the Supreme Court to hear the case, 247 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: which could overturn the earlier Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals 248 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: ruling that made corner crossing legal in six Western states. 249 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: The United Property Owners of Montana, the Wyoming Stock Growers 250 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: and Woolgrowers' Associations, the Montana Stockgrower Association, and the Claremont Institute, 251 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: a conservative think tank, submitted a brief to the Supreme 252 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: Court laying out their arguments for why the higher court 253 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: should resolve the issue. One of those arguments makes sense, 254 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: but some of them will make you roll your eyes 255 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: so hard that you might sprain your optic nerve. On 256 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: the logical side, the group's brief states, quote, there is 257 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: a need for a nationwide rule addressing corner crossing, and 258 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: this case may be the only opportunity for the Court 259 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: to consider the issue. They are correct that the limited 260 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: jurisdiction of the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals means that 261 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: corner crossing has only been made legal in Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, 262 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Kansas, which according to aex collectively 263 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: have three point three million acres of corner locked public 264 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: land that's not landlocked public land, but corner accessible public land. 265 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: There are still about five million acres outside the tenth 266 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: district that remain in a legal gray area across the West. 267 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: If the Supreme Court takes the case, their decision would 268 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: apply nationwide and resolve the question for all eight point 269 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: three million acres across the country. But that's where the 270 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: good sense of this group ends. The Claremont Institute lawyers 271 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: cited English common law from the seventeen sixties. How many 272 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: of you are English citizens? By the way, Well, if 273 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: you are, this pertains to you. In my humble opinion. 274 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: Your common law from seventeen sixty states the poorest man 275 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: in the meanest hovel can deny entry to the king. 276 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: That's right. The brief compares four Missouri Hunt to the 277 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: King of England, the billionaire pharmaceutical exec Fred Eshlmann to 278 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: the country's poorest man, and the airspace above a piece 279 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: of ranch property to the inside of that poor man's home. 280 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: That's the kind of reasoning that only law school can teach. 281 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: The Montana Stockmen's Association also built arguments on shaky foundations 282 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: when it argued that public access to public land quote 283 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: can cause great stress to livestock unquote. Ranchers can, of course, 284 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: choose to avoid that stress by not grazing their animals 285 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: on public land. They also point to all the maintenance 286 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: that private landowners would have to do on this land 287 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: because state and federal agencies like the BLM wouldn't be 288 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: able to get vehicles and equipment to this public land 289 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: to maintain it. That point certainly makes sense if it 290 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: didn't raise the question of how do the livestock growers 291 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: access that land? And if these folks want to talk 292 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: about a better system of granting easements into these parcels 293 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: for land management agencies, I'm all for it. However, I 294 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: believe in this case what they are talking about is 295 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: locking the public out of the land that we all 296 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: collectively own. These groups are filing this petition because they're 297 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: betting that a conservative Supreme Court will come down in 298 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: their favor. Legal analysts think it'll be very close, but 299 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: not a sure thing for either side. However, the Tenth 300 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: District ruling will stand if the Supreme Court declines to 301 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: hear the case. They're set to make that decision early 302 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: this fall, so stay tuned. Lots more to come on this. 303 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: Believe me, us folks here at Meat Eater, and I 304 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: know the good folks at Wyoming BHA and BHA in 305 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: general are very invested as well. On the other end 306 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: of the access issue, the Travel, Recreation, Wildlife and Cultural 307 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: Resources Committee of the Wyoming Legislature has advanced a bill 308 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: declaring that corner crossing is not an act of criminal 309 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: trespass or violation of game and fish laws. This bill 310 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: would essentially take the Tenth District decision, strip out all 311 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: the legal lees, and make it a clear law on 312 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: the books that would let law enforcement focus on other 313 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: things than responding to disputed trespassing claims. The full Legislature 314 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: will review the bill in November and consider any amendments. 315 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: Wyoming Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has asked the legislature to 316 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: go one step further, not just declaring that corner crossing 317 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: isn't illegal, but also protecting it as an affirmative right. 318 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: If the law says that we can use corner crossing 319 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: as a legitimate way to reach the land, we own, 320 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: then our right to do so is on much firmer footing. 321 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: The BHA brief also recommends an amendment defining a corner 322 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: as the point where two parcels meet, which would allow 323 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: corner crossing even in places where a precise property line 324 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: survey has not been carried out. This would prevent landowners 325 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: from intentionally using ambiguity over the location of property lines 326 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: to prosecute people for trespassing. A bill protecting corner crossing 327 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: as an affirmative right was drafted in the Wyoming legislature 328 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, but never made it out of committee. 329 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: This one has, so we're further along than we ever 330 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: have been before. But why don't we go even further? 331 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: What if US Congress passed a law giving us an 332 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: affirmative right to corner crossing everywhere in this great country. 333 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: That's not likely until the Supreme Court makes it a decision, 334 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: but it's not as impossible as it once seemed. For 335 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: more on the history of the corner crossing issue, on 336 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: X has a fantastic guide on its website and our own. 337 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: Jordan Sillers and Sam Lungren explained the nitty gritty in 338 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: a series of articles over at the mediator dot com. 339 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: You should buff up. There's more common. Last, but not least, 340 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: on this issue, it is imperative for folks who intend 341 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: on corner crossing to use the narrowest definition of the law, 342 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: which means crossing swiftly at the corner and only at 343 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: the corner, and doing so only through foot traffic. In 344 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: a sense, do as the Missouri four did, so out 345 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: of your way, as ridiculous as it may seem to 346 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: cross at the corner from public to public, pick up 347 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: any trash that you see, don't spend any extra time 348 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: there that is not absolutely necessary, and again only on foot. 349 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: Don't let some bad examples help the other side's case 350 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: here this fall all right, gang. Moving on to the 351 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: rhino dog desk, a rare piece of good news from 352 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: the world's rhinos came in last week from way Cambus 353 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: National Park in the Indonesian island of Sumatra. The Sumatran 354 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: rhino is one of the most endangered animals in the world, 355 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: with fewer than fifty individuals remaining both in and out 356 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: of captivity. Conservationists were convinced that there were none remaining 357 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: in way Campus Park. Park rangers drones and camera traps 358 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: had failed to turn up any of them for the 359 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: past several years. Not only has the species been relentlessly poached, 360 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: but they are also notoriously reclusive, even in many cases 361 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: learning to avoid motion sensing cameras. The situation seemed so 362 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: hopeless that Nina Facione possibly Nina Facione, executive director of 363 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the International Rhino Foundation, argued for bringing in specially trained 364 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: sniffing dogs to prove there were no Sumatron rhinos left 365 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: in the Way Canvas National Park so that she could 366 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: dedicate resources to protecting rhinos elsewhere. She told the news 367 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: outlet Mangabay that she thought, quote, let's get dogs in there. 368 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: We'll say we've tried everything. But the two dogs, Yaggy 369 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: and Quinn, did what dogs do best. After being trained 370 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: on the scap of ten Sumatron rhinos currently in a 371 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: captive breeding program, including specimens for males and females, mature animals, 372 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: and juveniles, within two days they had identified piles of 373 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: what researchers believe is rhino poop. And where there is 374 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: rhino poop, well there must be rhinos. Locating even a 375 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: few new rhinos could make an enormous difference for the 376 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: overall population because any species with so few individuals is 377 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: at risk for inbreeding depression, which happens when genetically related 378 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: to animals mate with each other and give birth to 379 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: offspring with birth defects and lower fertility. A classic example 380 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: is the Florida panther, whose numbers went down to as 381 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: few as twenty cats by the nineteen nineties. Inbreeding caused 382 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: health problems and reduced reproductive success and gave rise to 383 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: outward signs like kinktails and fur cowles. Conservationists then imported 384 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: ten female cougars from Texas in ninety five, and just 385 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: those few ladies improved genetic fitness so significantly that there 386 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: are now as many as two hundred Florida panthers in 387 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: the wild. Here's hoping that Sumatrin rhinos can find some 388 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: similar love connections. Maybe Aggy and Quinn can lead researchers 389 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: to some rhinos singles playing especially hard to get deep 390 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: in the rainforest. Moving on to the mail bag listener 391 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: Roy Matthewson wrote in with a question about lead ammunition, said, 392 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: there there's a push in Colorado to band lead ammo 393 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: and fishing tackle on state lance. He heard that ammo 394 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: makers have come out against the ban and said, quote, 395 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: while I do hunt poorly and fish some I do 396 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: not have the experience or knowledge to understand why opposition 397 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: from manufacturers exists other than for profit. Could you help 398 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: me understand this better. I'd really appreciate it. So there's 399 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: definitely a profit motive. Lead's pretty inexpensive and largely recycled 400 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: as well. There's another argument here that price increase in 401 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: ammunition will also push people out of not the shooting 402 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: sports because probably always be able to use lead and 403 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: shooting sports, but out of hunting, which is an interesting one. 404 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: But outside of that, and we've covered this a ton 405 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: on the podcast. Lead often has individual effects on animals, 406 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: specifically if you shoot something with lead, but it rarely 407 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: has population level effects on animal populations, and typically we 408 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: talk about population health when we talk about wildlife. Now 409 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: there's an intersection where lead and its individual effects on 410 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: animals can have a population level effect by removing an 411 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: animal from the population, think like California condor. Right in 412 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: those areas, then yes, we need to have concerted efforts 413 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: across the board, from the users, through the manufacturers, state 414 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: and federal agencies. But outside of that, you know, it 415 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: gets a little fuzzy, right. And when we talk about 416 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: lead fishing tackle bands, that should, in my opinion, only 417 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: apply to little tiny kids that lick their fingers all 418 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: the time and carry around lead fishing tackle and lead weights. 419 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: But hey, I'm still here and to fish in very 420 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: shallow water where diving birds that go down to pick 421 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: up gravel and grit in the bottom of these areas 422 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: can and do what's been proven pick up lead shot 423 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: and lead weights from fishing tackle. Again, like specific use case, 424 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: Like I said at the beginning of the show, if 425 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: you want to punch a road into a certain area 426 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: for a certain specific thing, and your argument is that 427 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: humanity needs it by God, then that's something we can 428 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: talk about. But do we need to roll back protections 429 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: that tons of people, tax paying Americans enjoy on fifty 430 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: eight million acres for that very specific use case that 431 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: may affect I don't know, five hundred acres, No, not 432 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: in my opinion. Thanks for the question, Roy. 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