1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we may just be addicted 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: to podcasting. I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage. I'm talking 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: to Jordan Rodrieg across the city in her swanky new apartment. 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: What's up? Jordan? 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: Didn't think we were going to do a show today, 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: but then DJ Moore got traded, felt like we had 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: to do a show. How are you doing in your 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: new Union home? 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: I love it. It's a disorganized mess right now. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 4: And Greg, guys, I think you know I love logistics 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 4: and I love a plan, so it's bothering me quite 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 4: a bit that I don't haven't organized yet. But one 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 4: thing at a time. We have to pod first. You 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 4: know this, This is crucial information for the listener. 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: The fact that your you have working internet, your computer, 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: everything is set up just a couple of days after 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: moving in. 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 2: That is a That is a victory. 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: So congratus live in different worlds. 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 2: Greg, Yes, congratulations. 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I decided after we thought about skipping the show today, 23 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: we're not going to be in this stud but when 24 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: this DJ Moore trade happened, we wanted to get it 25 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: out there. We do have a really great show that's 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: going to drop Friday morning where we play a game 27 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: free agency Matchmaker with Patrick and with Kyleleen and I 28 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: want everyone to check that one out. We're gonna that's 29 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: kind of a last free agency preview. We had some 30 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: fun with that. But this DJ Moore deal, to me, 31 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: is really fascinating. He's going to the Bills for a 32 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: second round pick. It's DJ Moore and a fifth round 33 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: pick for a late second round pick, so that's the 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: sixtieth overall pick in the draft. DJ Moore is going 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: to Buffalo and we've been talking about man, they could 36 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: use the receiver since early last offseason, to the point 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: that obviously Brandon Bean got very upset about the local 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: radio host talking about it. Conspiracy theorists believe that's why 39 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: they're not even on that network anymore. They're bringing the 40 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: radio in house. They say, no, that's not it. But 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: here he goes. We had a feeling after we talked 42 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: to him at the combine they're going to do something 43 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: at ride receiver. 44 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: I don't even know if this is it. 45 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: What do you think first before we get into kind 46 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: of the finances of just the trade compensation and the 47 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: fit for djmore. 48 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 4: Well, to me, this is a connective tissue sort of 49 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 4: fit right. This is Joe Brady, who at one point, 50 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 4: for a very brief time, was the offensive coordinator of 51 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers in the now infamous Matt Rule era, 52 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: and Dj Moore had a couple of his best seasons, 53 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: if not his very best seasons, when he was playing. 54 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: For Joe Brady. 55 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: So it's clearly a player and coach match that the 56 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 4: coach has a vision for with the player. And the 57 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: other thing that came to my mind, Greg when I 58 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 4: thought about this was actually our conversation with Brandon Bean 59 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: that we had very brief conversation at the combine where 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: he was He kept alluding to how this was going 61 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: to finally be the year that the Bills go a 62 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 4: little heavier in their personnel. So where I think for me, 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: I really envisioned and wanted a burner receiver for the 64 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 4: Bills in this in this offense, especially because we know 65 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 4: the type of deep ball that Josh Allen can throw 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: and what they could do with with an infusion of 67 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 4: pure speed. To me, this sort of points to maybe 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: some of those comments where a receiver who can really 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: really block, I know, we haven't really seen him. You know, 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: put it, put it on tape in a little while. 71 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 4: But a receiver who can really really block, who is 72 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 4: so tough after the catch. We have seen that even 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: with some up and down vibes in Chicago, a player 74 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 4: who can sort of move fearlessly across the middle of 75 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: the field. This just feels to me like if they're 76 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: really going to load up with heavier personnel with these 77 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 4: tight ends, he is a very complimentary receiver to that 78 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: type of offense. 79 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is a big play receiver. 80 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: You know, you think of him catching underneath passes and 81 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: being so good after the catch. But then of course 82 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: he also caught a couple of the you know, the 83 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: best plays in Bear's history and one of the best 84 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: throws in Panthers history from PJ. 85 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: Walker. 86 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: And you know, some stats are flying around today of 87 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: like the few amount of receivers that have you know, 88 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: this many big plays. And I actually was surprised that 89 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: Dj Moore was was on a list with so many 90 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: of the great players in the league of big plays. 91 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: And so that's the positive I think of Dj Moore 92 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: and what you said in terms of blocking and the 93 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: potential and his success with Joe Brady. That's all I 94 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: think really important and it makes me feel like we're 95 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: gonna get a Dj Moore honeymoon season. He does seem 96 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: to be the type of receiver and there's been there's 97 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: always a couple of them throughout their careers that they 98 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: they bounce around a little and like the first year 99 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: in the new place, it's great, you get you get 100 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: the best of them, and then the second year there's 101 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of grumbling. There's the tape heads, like 102 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: our friend Ali and I've noticed it too that that 103 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 1: notice how unhappy DJ more looks on a lot of routes, 104 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: maybe not giving the best effort and finishing his routes 105 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: all the time. 106 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: I mean it ended the Bear season. 107 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: I actually was surprised about how many people pushed back 108 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: on the idea that like that it was wrong to 109 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: criticize DJ Moore for not giving full effort on the 110 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: interception that ended the Bear season. It's like, that's the 111 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: that's the most thing you can be critical about, I 112 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: think possible. I know it's at the end of a 113 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: long game all that stuff, but considering it's consistent with 114 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: a lot that you've seen out of DJ Moore the 115 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: last few years. 116 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: I think it's a problem. 117 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: That said, the good moments have been really great, and 118 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: he is young enough. It's crazy when you say, you know, 119 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: he had some of his best seasons with Joe Brady, 120 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: that that's right. It was like a season and a quarter. 121 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: But he had that near twelve hundred yard season with 122 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: Joe Brady. He was twenty three years old back then. Yeah, 123 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's still only turning twenty nine. And so 124 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: I do think he's gonna kind of be like a 125 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: little bit like a Stephan Diggs, a little bit like 126 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: a too, these different receivers who bounce bounced around, And 127 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: I do think you're kind of gonna get the very 128 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: best of Dj Moore in this season with a great 129 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: quarterback ready to compete after that and that, and this 130 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: is maybe where we can get into the contract. That's 131 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: where I start to worry about a little bit long 132 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: term for the Bills. 133 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: Well, this is when the Bills are going to do 134 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 4: exactly what the Bears just did, which is draft the 135 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: player who is the younger version of djmore which again 136 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 4: was the signal sent in April of this that he 137 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 4: was probably not going to be with the Bears long term. 138 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: Despite the fact that they gave that big contract to 139 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 4: him a couple of years ago. This a lot of 140 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: times teams, if they don't know how to draft a 141 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: certain archetype of player, they will sign one in free agency, 142 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: a veteran and free agency, and they will spend the 143 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: year studying that player and then applying those traits to 144 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: their scouting of new player or younger players who they 145 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: do they are going to draft and then keep cheaply 146 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: on a rookie contract. It doesn't sound fair or night, 147 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: but that is the way that the world behind the 148 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 4: scenes in the NFL works. 149 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: So I think that. 150 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: DJ Moore was obviously could have been a long term, 151 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: you know, franchise player for them. They brought in a 152 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 4: new coach and it didn't seem to quite always mesh 153 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: with Ben Johnson and DJ Moore are between the two 154 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: of them, and it became very clear very quickly that 155 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 4: they were basically going to try to find rookie contract 156 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: version of DJ Moore and they didn't. 157 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: Luther Burden, I'm glad you brought up the bear side 158 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: of things, because to me, this is a if it's 159 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: not a home run, you know, it's like a double, 160 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: a ground rule double. You don't even have to leg 161 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: it out or slide at second base like this is 162 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: just like it could have even been a home run out, 163 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, a win, to get a second round pick, 164 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: to get what I thought was a little bit of 165 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: an onerous contract off the books. The reality is, you know, 166 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: DJ Moore's slide began before Ben Johnson showed up. You're right, 167 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: this season he only ends up with six hundred and 168 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: eighty two yards. Last season he did in top a 169 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: thousand yards and it was more. That was more where 170 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: I thought, the effort and attitude, and I know that 171 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: Matt Eeberflus team. 172 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: We'll get to him a little later in the show. 173 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot going on, right, There 174 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: was a lot going on to be unhappy with. But 175 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: when you're one of the highest paid players on the team, 176 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: you do want some leadership out of that position, and 177 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: so I think to get this much back for him 178 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: and get off the contract is great. Whereas on the 179 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: flip side, and this is a big part of it, 180 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: I went from being eh on the move for the Bills, 181 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: like not loving it because it feels a little desperate 182 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: and thinking like you almost are feeling like you have 183 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: to make this move, and you have a lot of 184 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: other moves to make. But I get why they did 185 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: it to not really liking it when you looked at 186 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: what they did contractually. Drew Rosenhaus got them to guarantee 187 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars into twenty twenty eight as part of 188 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: a restructure on this contract. So what the structure does, 189 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: Jordan is I know you know this, but for the listeners, 190 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: you know, it gives them some cap space for this year, 191 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: and it also opens up cap space, by the way, 192 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: for the Bears this year, which is great. I think 193 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: sixteen million dollars in cap savings for the Bears, but 194 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: ultimately pushing that money out to the future was what 195 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: DJ Moore and du Rosenhouse got for the fact that, Okay, 196 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: we'll restructure the contract now to help you out in 197 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: the meantime. But it's not like he's taking any less money. 198 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Here's what DJ Moore is getting the next two years, 199 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: twenty three and a half million dollars guaranteed each season 200 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: a really good contract, plus fifteen more in twenty twenty eight. 201 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: So you add it all up. I did the math. 202 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: I didn't see this anywhere else. 203 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: Sixty two and a half guaranteed million dollars. I don't 204 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: think DJ Moore is getting close to that if he's 205 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: like a free agent, And that's sort of not how 206 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: it's supposed to work when you make a trade, like 207 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: the open market's supposed to be better for you. Do 208 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: you think DJ Moore, for instance, would have like that 209 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: big a market where you get sixty two million dollars 210 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: guaranteed into year three. 211 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, but and I appreciate the 212 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 4: thought exercise, but that's just not what his reality was 213 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: going to be. If he was gonna mark that's a 214 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: good point. If he was going to move teams, it 215 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: was going to be via trade. I know we were 216 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 4: looking at this early, even in the in the regular season, 217 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: how badly we wanted to see him with a team 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: like the forty nine Ers, for example. I think he'd 219 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: be a good fit with like a debo less Commanders 220 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: at this point. But it is interesting, like the Bills, 221 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: I don't know that they've been in the mix for 222 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: receivers enough to it recently to read the market on receivers, 223 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 4: if that makes sense. They they really haven't. I mean, 224 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: they were in who was now I'm now I'm forgetting 225 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 4: who was the receiver they said they were in on. Recently, 226 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: there was like reports that leaked. 227 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: Out during the trade there was less year's trade deadline. 228 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember, I don't I'm forgetting. 229 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: But what they ended up settling for was was Gabe Davis. 230 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: And ultimately, like I do get, you know, from the 231 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: position of where they're at now, it's Khalil Shakir, it's 232 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: DJ Moore. And then after that, they still don't have much. 233 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: Well, they wanted to they wanted to bring in a one. 234 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: Now this will also be kind of a pr victory 235 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: lap as well, because everyone shuts up about them not 236 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: having a one. 237 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: Now, this was rightfully I think Bills fans were rightfully. 238 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: Complaining about this to be a player, right, but they're 239 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: making him one. Whether or not he is or isn't one, 240 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: that's a whole separate discussion. The contract says he is 241 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 4: to this team, and so I think that, especially if 242 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: you look relative to the other contracts that exist on 243 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 4: this on this roster at receiver and the other players 244 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: on this roster at receiver, he he may be the 245 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 4: volume one as well. And so whether you know that's 246 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: what you're paying for if you're the Bills, and no, 247 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 4: I don't think he would have gotten that much were 248 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: he a free agent. 249 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 3: But when you are trading a player, trading for a. 250 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: Player, you're basically saying, we like this player. And I 251 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: think the coach connection is huge here too. I want 252 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: to reiterate that I think that a new head coach 253 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: financial bump happens so frequently we are just seeing it 254 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 4: now with the Bills, in this case Joe Brady, who 255 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: they've made very clear they are all in on just 256 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: trying to maximize his offense and pay big money to 257 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: offensive players. 258 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like that, and like I said, I 259 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: think it's going to help Josh Allen out. You know, 260 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: I do worry about like Josh Allen getting sick of 261 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: him at some point if he exhibits some of the 262 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: some of the like lack of finishing the route. 263 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 4: I also do want to push back on that just 264 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: a little bit. And I think that the finishing plays 265 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: is a very valid, by the way criticism, because you 266 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 4: could see that on his tape. 267 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 3: But I think people forget. 268 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 4: And maybe we don't even really know the extent of 269 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 4: just how dysfunctional that last Eber flu season was and 270 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 4: then with all the firings in the interim, and and 271 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: then Caleb Williams. I think it is possible that two 272 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 4: personalities just did not gel well together between quarterback and receiver. 273 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: And I think that's an equal load to carry. I 274 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: don't think it just because the receiver is the one 275 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 4: that gets traded. We can just put it all on 276 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: his shoulders here. 277 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: I will buy that. 278 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: My thing is if for the money that he makes, 279 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: and he's kind of making in between money, like a 280 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: real one sort of rises above that. And the thing 281 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: that worried me this year is like whenever you saw 282 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: miscommunication this like so many of Caleb throws where the 283 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: two guys were not on the same page, was DJ 284 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: Moore And by the numbers, you know, under seven hundred yards, 285 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: he clearly wasn't a one this year. He was one 286 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: of four really good receivers that were kind of equal 287 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: in different ways. And the Bears have to be absolutely 288 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: thrilled with how it worked out because they got a 289 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: lot out of Dj Moore, and ultimately they I think 290 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: would rather have Luther Burden right now. 291 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: And I don't blame you. 292 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: Really really fascinating for both teams, and I do love 293 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: the The Bills are in this really interesting space where 294 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: Joe Brady's saying, these are the new Bills. They're different. 295 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: They are, and I think there's something to that. But also, 296 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: this is not a move like a brand new regime mix. 297 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: It actually feels a little bit more of like trying 298 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: to get over the hump, a little bit of desperation 299 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and over pain. When we're kind of strapped and we 300 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: have big needs interior, offensive line, cornerback, edge. 301 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: I might throw a linebacker in there. 302 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: And so we'll grade Brandon Bean at the end of 303 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: this whole cycle because there's a lot more to do. 304 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: But he's not just starting out. 305 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: I think he's having to make decisions based on how 306 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: they've gotten to this point. 307 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it is a crazy statement to 308 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 4: note that. I believe that they think they're under quite 309 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 4: a bit of pressure. And now while the coach I'm 310 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: sure has a long leash here because he just was hired, 311 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: I don't think the two are attached together necessarily, but 312 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 4: I think the coach is more attached to the quarterback 313 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: than anything else. I do think there's a sense of 314 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 4: urgency in that building, and certainly a sense of urgency 315 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 4: can lead to you making maybe splashier whether or not 316 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: that's the right adjective in this case, splashier moves than 317 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 4: perhaps you've done in the past. And also the fact 318 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: that you've you're sort of embarrassed last year you said 319 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 4: all these things, you know, on the on the local 320 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: radio station. You know, I know Brandon Bean for years 321 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 4: of going back to Carolina and all of that, and 322 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 4: I know he's aware of those things, and you're not 323 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: just immune to like you don't just tune all of 324 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 4: it out. I think there's a little bit of a 325 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 4: self awareness happening there. 326 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's a. 327 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 4: Combination of factors, and we can't overlook the human psyche 328 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: in all of this. But certainly they had to make 329 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: a big move. They might have overcorrected financially a little bit, 330 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: but they needed to go out and get their guy guy, 331 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: and they clearly think that DJ Moore is one. 332 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: Totally agree. 333 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: And there was only so many that were going to 334 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: be available, and there is competition for it, and I 335 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: do think there was a market they are not giving, 336 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: I know, in terms of like how much they had 337 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: to give up with the contract. That's where it got 338 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: a little crazy, but I fully believe that someone else 339 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: was offering a third out there or else they didn't 340 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: had to go to it too, so so good on 341 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Bean for trying it. Let's go for it just 342 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: sets up a fascinating rest of the period for them. 343 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Will Dawson Knox stay on the team. I assume they're 344 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: going to cut Josh Palmer, who's due a little bit 345 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: of money. Tyrrel Shavers is like a good four Ken 346 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Coleman's not going anywhere because you're not going to get 347 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: anything for him. 348 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: And really they. 349 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: Really mishandled that. Terry Paula, Yes, and. 350 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: I think that is a sneaky hard market. 351 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: They they you know, they get the Sabers there, but 352 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: they're not happy with the Pagoulas. They're not happy with 353 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: the Sabers. And this is a team that's just been 354 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: knocking on the door for a while. The natives, like 355 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Eric Roberts, are get and restless. They want to win, 356 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: and we got a win. By the way, Eric points out, 357 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: this is now two players off Bill Barnwall and I's 358 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: trade list in the last couple of days. So we 359 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: got we got many more to go, hopefully, But Trent McDuffie. 360 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: And now here's DJ Moore. We're trying to top the 361 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: nine players off our list that actually got traded a 362 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: year ago. Let's take a break. We're gonna come back. 363 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: We just have a couple of little items of news. 364 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: Today's gonna be a quick one, but some Max Crosby buzz. 365 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: When we get back back on NFL Daily. 366 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: And we did get the opinion of Bill super fan 367 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: Eric Roberts over the break. He seems moderately optimistic about 368 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: Dj though, but believes he needs we need some growth 369 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: out of Keyon Coleman. 370 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: Let's move on from the Bills. 371 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: It is time now for charging into the offseason, presented 372 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: by Apple Card for all your game day purchases. Hey now, 373 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: let's Max Crosby. And I know this is a weird 374 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: thing to throw out because it comes from Trey Wingo, 375 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: not a guy you normally see breaking news on Twitter 376 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: or but it just was so intriguing something it's a 377 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: little red meat I wanted to get into. He wrote 378 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: things are moving fast about mat Re Max Crosby last night, 379 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: and he writes this on Thursday. Dallas thought they were 380 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: close to a deal, but since then, other teams have 381 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: raised the ante and potentially are offering the Raiders two 382 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: first round picks. Now Dallas is expected to shift their 383 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: focus to Trey Hendrickson. 384 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: Now, Trey Wingo. 385 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: Doesn't break a lot of news, but occasionally he's popped 386 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: up with with some things over the years, and it's 387 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: so rare that actually I do give it some credence. 388 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: It's coming from it's coming from somewhere whatever the reason 389 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: for this is to get out. I find it interesting, 390 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: even if wherever you think it is on the like 391 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: sixty percent accurate to one hundred percent accurate scale. I 392 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: like that the Cowboys are really in on these edges 393 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: like spending bit. I'm a little surprised. And the thing 394 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: I would be a little surprised in terms of accuracy 395 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: is like I'd be stunned if the Raiders get to 396 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: first for Crosby in the end. But we've kind of 397 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: seen with McDuffie and certainly Parsons and some of these deals, 398 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: like we're seeing more picks than expected, and like who 399 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: could this. 400 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: Other team be? 401 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, but we're kind of on the lookout 402 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: right now, and it does really feel like this is 403 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: going to be the off season that the Cowboys spend big, 404 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: whether it's Crosby, Hendrickson or something. Is kind of also 405 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: hilarious that they would be getting an edge rusher after. 406 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 4: Treating I know, right, Just pretend, just pretend none of 407 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 4: that ever happened last year. 408 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Trey was on I. 409 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 4: Think the first go round of the Aaron Rodgers Sweepstakes. 410 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: He was all over that. 411 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 4: So definitely some like a lot of credibility here on this. 412 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: And then Jane Slater. 413 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 4: Posted earlier today our palette NFL Network said on mass 414 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 4: Max Crosby and the Cowboys being play here, here's what 415 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: I'm being told from a team source. She quotes a 416 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 4: team source saying Raiders are talking to a lot of people, 417 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: but we would not give up to first rounders. 418 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 3: She says, that's the situation now. Will that change? 419 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, she said, but I checked for those 420 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 4: of you who are interested, and I'm like, that's my girl. 421 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 3: She's great, Like, I love the little flourish. 422 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: She adds at the end too, She's like, I know 423 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 4: you guys are all fussing about this, so I went 424 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: ahead and checked with like a high ranking team source 425 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 4: because I'm Jade Creakinslater. 426 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: I somehow missed that, and that does push the ball 427 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: forward a little. First of all, it's coming from two people, 428 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: and you'd imagine they're, yeah, both have some Cowboys sources obviously, 429 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: Jane does it kind of indicates the Cowboys are willing 430 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: to give up a first for Max Crosby, if they're 431 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: not willing to give up too first. 432 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was very specific to. 433 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: Me, right, So that makes me feel as we sit 434 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: here Thursday afternoon, that Max Crosby's going to get traded. 435 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: It just like. 436 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: We've gone a little back and forth over the last 437 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: two weeks of like whether I think this will happen 438 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: or not. But the fact that we're hearing other teams, 439 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: in this case the Cowboys, but we'll see if anyone 440 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: else is in the mix, is like willing to give 441 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: up at least one first form. I just think it's 442 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: a matter of negotiating what the price is gonna be 443 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: and I will be fascinated. And it is really interesting too, Jordan. 444 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: You know how these markets work, that Hendrickson and Crosby, 445 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: It's like which one is gonna find a new team first? 446 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: Is Hendrickson gonna be kind of the backup prize to Max? 447 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: Crosby is a team like the Bucks, who you know, 448 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: I could see Hendrickson going to just ignoring the Crosby 449 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: of it all, but just going right to like wanting 450 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: to go to free agency. Does Crosby want to get 451 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: moved before? It's all very interesting and I think, look, 452 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: two of our best head dreshers in the last five 453 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: years are probably changing teams in the next five days. 454 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: That's why it's the regular season. 455 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: The regular season. 456 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, and to your point, the agents are probably waiting 457 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 4: out these teams as long as they possibly can because 458 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: they want to see They want a really good. 459 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 3: Read of what these markets are. 460 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 4: And you know, these teams are all kind of listening 461 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: to what each other is doing, and it's basically who 462 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: blinks first and throws in a second a first in 463 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 4: a second instead of a first and a third or 464 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 4: first and a fourth. So that this is going to 465 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 4: be interesting to watch, because yes, I do believe that. 466 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 4: Because the Raiders per Jane, are being so chatty right 467 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 4: now in terms of assessing whether they can get this 468 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: level of. 469 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: A hall for him. It kind of feels like the 470 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: Hayz and the Barn on him. 471 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: I love it. 472 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: Let's go through a couple of the releases that have happened, 473 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: none of them were overly surprising. We mentioned earlier that 474 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: the Vikings were cutting Javon Hargrave, who was a big 475 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: signing for them last off season. They're now cutting Jonathan Allen, 476 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: who also was making a round ten million ish dollars 477 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: a year. Has had a great career, but he's getting cut. 478 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: And he also retweeted a fan who wrote about how 479 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: and Brian Flores a system the defensive lineman don't get 480 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: sacks or pressure, which is true, and maybe Jonathan Allen 481 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy his time in Minnesota and the numbers 482 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: don't look great. The Steelers are releasing John u Smith, 483 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: so Pittsburgh fans, I think they're gonna be you know, 484 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: unfortunately for John Neu Smith, I think happy about that. 485 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: That kind of indicates maybe Pat Fryermuth is not going anywhere. 486 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney, who had a good twenty twenty four, is 487 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent. Wasn't as good last year, 488 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: but could kind of be a decent fourth receiver for 489 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: someone out there. And then I'll throw this one to you, 490 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: Jordan as a surprise. 491 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: There's just a. 492 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: Lot of Alec Pierce, smoke in the mix in New England. 493 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: Right now, our Silver Lake friend, Alec Pierce. 494 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: Just everyone everyone thinks Alec Pierce to the Patriots. I 495 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: don't know where this came from or what, or if 496 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: it's his agent using the Patriots, who kind of look 497 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: like the team that's gonna spend the most as on 498 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: a wide receiver and they're trying to use it as 499 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: leverage or what. But I'll tell you this, at this point, 500 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: you know, you got like the fastest white receiver in 501 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: the last I don't know how many years. The Patriots 502 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: fans are going to be disappointed if he's not on 503 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: the team. 504 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: At this point. 505 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: They think he's already there, and I'm like, I still 506 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: don't quite expect it. 507 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 2: I don't know. 508 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: I just think back to that one guy who I 509 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 4: ran into at joint practices that with the heavy Boston 510 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: accent explaining the lore of white Patriots receivers to his 511 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: father and Efton Chisholm was definitely absolutely going to become 512 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 4: the next one. And I was like, I feel like 513 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 4: I'm listening to a moment in a fan culture here, right. 514 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, That's why Alex Pierce would be nice. It would 515 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: be changing the stereotype, but only so much as as 516 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: one of the biggest fastest receivers in the league, chism 517 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: fit more of like the profile. 518 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: But anyways, I don't know. We'll see, We'll see. 519 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: You were I was laughing because you mentioned John Newsmith 520 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 4: and his imminent release, and. 521 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: I was mean. 522 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 4: Our friend Mina Chai has this great podcast and she 523 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 4: talks about reality TV on it and it's with David 524 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 4: Dennis as well, and I don't watch a ton of 525 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: reality TV, but I needed something to listen to that 526 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 4: was light and like that, I with people that I 527 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: like listening to. So I picked that up, that podcast, 528 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 4: and I feel like I don't even need to watch 529 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: like episodes of Love Is Blind because they described them 530 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: so well. But I started watching for the first time 531 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: totally enraged by this season. By the way, we don't 532 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 4: even need to get into it, but the John news 533 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 4: Smith thing reminds me of it's everything that Arthur Smith 534 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 4: ever wanted. And they finally they get to the altar 535 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 4: and then they're standing there facing each other, and then 536 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 4: there's the entirely cringe moment. 537 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: Where he's like, you know what, this ain't it? This actually, 538 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: this is not it. 539 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: I tried. 540 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they tried to make it work. There were 541 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: some games where it felt like it was the all 542 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: john New offense and it was it was not effective. 543 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it was Johnny's fault entirely, but yeah, they. 544 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: Needed to be complicated. Greg. 545 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they made the right decision to not 546 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: say I do. I quit. 547 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: Love is blind. The Minnesota season did it for me. 548 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: If you're a listener out there, I haven't watched the 549 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: last few seasons. 550 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: I was like, I gave it a good five six seasons. 551 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: I felt like that was enough. Maybe I'll get back 552 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: into it. We'll see. 553 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: Cam Jordan. Speaking of saying I do, he's making it 554 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: very clear through Adam Schefter that he's going to hit 555 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: free agency for the first time in his career. A 556 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: little bit of a leverage like, hey, he's not happy 557 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: with what the Saints are doing, and I just bring 558 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: him up to kind of say, look, if a team, 559 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: if a player is this close to free agency, man, 560 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: that price better be sky high for you to get 561 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: me to sign on the dotted line before Monday. And 562 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: there will be some signings, but man, you're so close 563 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: to me. The only reason that you would sign resign 564 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: now but before getting to Monday or Sunday, whatever it's 565 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: going to be, is that you don't really think the 566 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: market's out there for you. 567 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: So something to watch there. 568 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: Also, I wanted to welcome back we teased it earlier, 569 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: Matt Eberfleus to the NFL. How about the new member 570 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: of the Raheem Morris defensive staff in San Francisco. 571 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: The fluse is loose in the NFC. 572 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: West whatever it did? 573 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: Question for you? That was just more of a statement. 574 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I don't even really know what to say 575 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 4: about it. 576 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: Greg, to be honest with. 577 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: You, I was just like, what do you think? 578 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 4: You know? 579 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: I did like a little fluse. 580 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: To this whole NFC West thing. It's fine. 581 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: I cover a lot of I cover a lot of 582 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 4: like coaching cycle stuff, as you know, over for the 583 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 4: Athletic And one of the funniest things to me every 584 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 4: year is watching everyone's titles change and like, how niche 585 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 4: some of these titles get because they can't promote a 586 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 4: guy any higher, but they have to give him a 587 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 4: pay raise than the agent like wants a title, a 588 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 4: better title for the coach or whatever. This one is, 589 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: This one cracked me up. It was assistant assistant head 590 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 4: coach on defense. 591 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: If not even the assistant head coach, it's just the 592 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: assistant head coach. 593 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 3: The regional manager. 594 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: Is there another There might. 595 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: Be another assistant could coach on the team, So that's 596 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: why they couldn't give it. 597 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: It's great. 598 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: Last item is a player I like, running back Sean Tucker, 599 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: was not tendered by the Bucks, so just keep an 600 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: eye on him. I know our friend Jackson Bevins, who 601 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: hosts a great podcast, Cigar Thoughts about the Seahawks. He 602 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: is a big Sean Tucker guy and thinks that would 603 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: be a great fit for the Seahawks. And I do 604 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: think that's the kind of running back they might be 605 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: going after. And I think he's intriguing for someone out there, 606 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: So I might have to add him to my one 607 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: oh one that was charging into the offseason presented by 608 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: Apple Card. Apply for Apple Card in the Wallet app 609 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: today and start earning daily cash back on all your 610 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: game day purchases, from tickets to tailgate munchies to merch 611 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: subject to credit approval. Hit that music, Eric, I gotta 612 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: make my promise. We did it kind of. We said 613 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: it'd be a quick show. It was pretty quick, and 614 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: I want it to be quick because we have a 615 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: banger come in on Friday. Check out our Matchmaker episode. 616 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: It's a competition and there's a big time prize on 617 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: the line. Who can match the most free with the 618 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: new teams. Also check out Jordan Rodrigg's great feature on 619 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: scouting on the Athletic. 620 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: Got that in Under the Gun. We'll see you Friday.