WEBVTT - The Rock Ampersand Roll Hall of Fame 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:14.320 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:21.960 There's Charles w Lix Bryant and Jerry's over there, and 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.200 this is stuff you should know. The Rock and Roll 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:31.400 Hall of Fame edition Tata or as was it Skinner 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:36.120 that said rock and or Rolling? Yes, it was. It's 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.400 a good one. I'm glad you said that, because every 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.479 time we walk past something one of the Simpsons characters 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.680 said and their nine hundred million seasons, somebody writes and 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.400 it's like, how could you possibly not say this? You dummies? 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.360 Remember that time we got to go to a Simpson's 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.080 table read probably second or third best day of either 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.280 one of our lives. Yes, absolutely, that's always what I 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.360 respond back with. I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Were 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.640 you at the table Marie we were at when we 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.160 met Matt Graening and he drew Simpsons characters on our 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.400 autograph scripts, which I still have. I don't. I don't 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.640 know if you still have yours. I still have mine, Kidney. Yes, 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.720 I am kidding you. I can know I tossed it. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:17.240 So you're like, I don't have room for this. Yeah. Um, 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.479 so Chuck, we are talking about the Rock and Roll 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.520 Hall of Fame today. We've already talked about the Simpsons 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.520 on an official episode before too of them. Actually, this 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.280 one's a little different. This is about rock and roll, 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.280 the musical genre, which is way more encompassing than a 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.440 lot of people would like to admit. It turns out. Yeah, 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.479 we'll get into that. There's a lot there, We definitely will. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:44.040 I it smacks a lot of our remember our disco episode. Yeah, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.840 smacks a lot of that. And I now we've talked 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.680 about this. I don't think you've been. Have you to 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.160 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? No? I haven't. Actually, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.400 I'm sorry, Cleveland. I'm sorry, but I settled down. I 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.400 have not. I have not been yet now, and I 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.760 actually have to say, I don't know that I care to. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.880 I know that there are plenty of people out there 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.400 who love would love to go to that and should, 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.280 But for me personally, I just I don't care. Yeah, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.200 it's not your kind of place. Really, No, it's not. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.240 It's not meant for losers like me. No, I don't 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.200 think that's it. It's it's meant for losers like me. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.520 I went, you know, my family or Emily's families from Akron, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.320 and so we when they were all living there, we 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.280 spent Christmas Is there and other holidays there. So we 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.119 did all the Cleveland things and this was one of them. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.560 And um, definitely, it's definitely one of the Cleveland things 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.880 to do. For sure. It's one of the Cleveland things. Um, 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.120 it's a place that I want to go back to. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.000 I love this in the in the museum in Seattle, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.839 like the pop Culture Museum. I can't remember what it's called. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.440 What's called the Museum of Popular Culture? Awesome? Yeah, and 0:02:55.480 --> 0:03:00.239 there's but there's more and then they name. But I 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:09.519 love standing and looking at uh, the the original pad 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.960 of paper where the original lyrics to Purple Hazer written. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.440 See that's what I'm saying. I like listening to Purple 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.600 I couldn't it was originally written on Like I get 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.240 what people are getting out of this. It just doesn't 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.280 hit me that way, No, I hear you. I had 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:25.919 a bunch of other things I was gonna say I love, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.519 But are you gonna say you don't love them? After 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.840 every one of them? Let's let's find out. I love 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.960 looking at the outfit that Bruce Springsteen were on the 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.680 board in the USA cover right in front of me. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.640 I love looking it. I could see how you would 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.480 like that. I don't care about that outfit. I love 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:45.880 standing in front of Prince's tiny little purple jumpsuit, cool 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:52.640 guitar or Mick Jaggers Uh tiny little ten year old 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:57.200 boy sized jeans leather pants so small. They're also small. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.920 I thought Mick Jagger was, you know, not point size. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.280 Really Okay, I knew Prince was small, but I didn't 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.800 know that Mick Jagger was as well. That's and we've 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.720 talked about this. That's why they learned to be musicians, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.840 because they can't they're trying to get girls. Well, Prince 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.120 was a great basketball player too. I don't know about 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.120 Mick Jagger, but he was show Yes, it's true, so 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.920 that he played basketball in high school too. Oh man, yeah, no, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.720 he for his size, he was a good athlete, I think. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.839 But uh, the point is, I really really love seeing 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.000 that stuff in Seattle. I love seeing Kurt Cobain striped 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.520 sweater from the video and the broken drumsticks of Dave 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:41.719 Grohl and and Chris Cornell's Gibson guitar. Like I loved 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.120 knowing that that's and this is not just rock and 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.320 roll memorabilia. Like I like any museum where I'm like, oh, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.560 that's the real thing. That's the Declaration of Independence I'm 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.120 looking at. It's not a copy, that's the one. Um. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.360 I really get a lot out of seeing the thing 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.000 in person, and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.440 has a lot of things to look at in person. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.679 So I don't want to come off like some rube 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.400 who doesn't care about museums. Like I care deeply about museums. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.600 It's just some like pop culture memorabilia doesn't do it. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.640 It's as simple as that. I think we've established that, Okay, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:18.840 but I just do. A lot of people would be 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.240 like joshly and like museums would have dummy. No, we 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.240 know you like museums. You got engaged in a museum. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.920 You like museums so much. That's absolutely true. Thanks for that. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.440 I appreciate the backup, chuck. Yeah, and you like like 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:34.200 you'll see uh uh the Scream and a million art 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.240 websites and art history books. But to stand in front 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.960 of the screen is a different thing because it's the 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.600 real thing. All right, let's talk about the Rock and 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.040 Roll Hall of fame itself. Shall we Yes? I think 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.479 we should start talking first about this because this really 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.840 kind of summarizes a lot of some people hate the 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.640 rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not just because they're 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.800 not into pop culture museums, but they hate the idea 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.400 and they think it the least rock and thing you 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.560 can do is vote people into a Hall of Fame, Yeah, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.080 which is a real criticism of it. And it's really 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.760 something that um, from what I've read, the rock and 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.679 Roll Hall of Fame, this the rock hall. The people 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.440 who are in the know, um have has never fully 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.920 figured out how to how to deal with that paradox, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.240 because it is a paradox, like to take like what 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.720 is rock and roll, which is you know, like in 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.640 your face, your parents hate it. Um, It's it's like 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.400 it doesn't follow the rules, and then just like put 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:35.880 it behind incredibly expensive like recessed lighting with and protecting 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.560 it with plexiglass at all that that is the opposite 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.560 of that, and they've just they just had to move 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:47.120 forward as a paradox basically. Yeah. And I should point 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.080 out too that my love for this stuff is like 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.080 it doesn't have to be behind glass, Like I love 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.320 being and I'm going to Woodstock, New York in November. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.440 I'm gonna drive by Big Pink, where Bob Dylan and 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.000 the band lived. And I like being at the places 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.200 is where the things really existed. There's an energy to it. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.560 I think, I get why you're going to drive by 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:10.160 that house, but I don't care about that. You gotta stop. 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.520 But this all comes back to Johnny Rotten, Uh, the 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.160 leader of the Sex Pistols. They were inducted. He wrote, uh, 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.600 scribbled out on a piece of paper. Didn't go obviously, 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.160 and he said, next to the Sex Pistols, rock and 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.600 roll and that Hall of Fame is a pis stain 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:33.240 your museum, urine in wine. We're not coming, We're not 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.000 your monkeys. And so what that was it was a 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.120 great read. So that's sort of the thing though, That 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.160 is how some people feel. But to me, the Rock 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.200 and Roll Hall of Fame is rock and roll because 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.560 they read that on stage rather than just burying it, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.400 you know what I mean, Like that's rock and roll, ye, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.080 And I mean it's had such an enormous impact on 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.760 world culture, on human culture that like, of course it 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.280 deserves a museum. And then if you're gonna do like 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.600 a world class museum. There's just certain things you have 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.200 to do, and yes, that doesn't fit with rock and roll, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.360 but it doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a rock 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.200 and roll museum. It's just like, yeah, we took this 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.400 rock and roll stuff and put it under plexiglass, and 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.760 that's just what you do when you create a museum. 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.840 That's right. Uh, But we'll talk about more of that 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.440 stuff later. But let's talk about the history, shall we. Yeah, 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:26.600 because the whole thing opened up on September, but it 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.960 had been brewing since the early eighties. I think thanks 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.240 to a dude named Ama aired again er Errigen. I 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.400 think it's air again. I got it the first time 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.120 and then I doubted myself, but I still got it. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.079 That's the point, that's right. So air Again was the 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:48.160 co founder of Atlantic Records, UM the biggest name in 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.200 records in sort of at a certain time. And there 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.120 it's a yeah, a couple of certain times. He was 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.880 the son of a um, a Turkish ambassador, but love music. Uh. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.520 Co founded Atlantic and with Jerry Wexler and started out 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.560 in the R and B game. Yeah, did they signed 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.160 the Drifters, Ray Charles Aretha Franklin, all of whom were 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.120 like unknown at the time. So that alone is like 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.520 worth celebrating, Like that's an amazing record label just to start. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.440 And then in the sixties they shifted over to rock 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.920 um and signed Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones and Cream 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.119 and UM. So just these two incarnations over two decades, 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.199 Um kind of put Atlantic on the map. I think, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.319 like you said, it kept going right, Like, is is 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.800 Atlantic still around? Oh? It's got to be. I mean 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.160 it's probably owned by Disney or something, but sure, sure, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.120 but it's a storied record label and for good reason, 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.679 that's right. And so he first hatched the idea of 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.200 having a museum and a rock and roll Hall of Fame, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.000 and he was like, well, of course it will be 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.080 in New York City, because that's just where you do it. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.280 What he didn't know was that, uh, there were these 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:05.400 businessmen in Cleveland, Ohio that we're already planning their own 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.320 rock and roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. Yes, And 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:14.560 when uh Amma Urdigens heard that, he shuddered. I was like, 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.439 all right, why Cleveland? And I said, well, hold on, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.400 Like Cleveland actually has a lot of claim to rock 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.880 and roll cred for one the local DJ. Allen Freed 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.600 is widely considered as the person who coined the term 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.880 rock and roll. That guy came up with it and 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.320 he was at Cleveland DJ and Eric Agan said, Okay, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.800 I'm listening. What else you got? And he said, well, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.679 you know it was a very the radio station. Uh 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.400 w j W that Freed DJ. Dat broke a lot 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.319 of big acts. You kind of had to make it 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.320 in Cleveland. Not had to, but making in Cleveland could 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:55.200 break you. David Bowie was broke there Rush and we 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.839 gotta thank Dave Rouse for putting this together. And I 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.680 also want to thank Dave Russe for saying Bruce Springstein. Yeah, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.120 I noticed that. Now. I know it's a type of 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.560 Dave and you're listening, but it was fun to read 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.880 He's like, no, I mean the much less known bring 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:16.760 Bruce Springstein. Uh. Joe Walsh is from Cleveland. Trin resumes 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.319 from Cleveland, Ohio. You know I've talked about before in 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:25.240 Emily's hometown of Akron, her high school, Firestone is where 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.680 Devo was from. And Chrissy Hynes keys, Yeah, like that's 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.199 a heck of a roster to come out of a 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.120 single high school. Yes, plus also like um, even back 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.679 long before Divo was around, that same guy Alan Freed, 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.920 the DJ he uh, He organized and hosted what's also 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:45.000 considered the first rock and roll show, the Moondog Coronation Ball, 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.600 way back in nineteen two. So, and we've talked about 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.240 it before. I could not figure out what we've talked 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.120 about the Coronation Ball. Yeah, because we've we've definitely covered it. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.760 I'm almost positive anyway. Yes, So Eveland has like some 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.840 rock and roll credit, so it would make sense that 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.920 they would be considering rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.240 And it would also make sense that Eric again and 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.840 and the rest of the Rock and Roll Hall of 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.280 Fame Foundation said Okay, well we'll think about this. They 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.679 were skeptical at first, but then they said, how about this. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.040 We'll open this whole thing up to voting is to 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:24.040 where the site should be. UM, and we'll say Cleveland's 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.840 one of a number of different cities, Memphis, New Orleans, Philadelphia, 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.000 San Francisco, and of course New York, which everybody knows 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.480 New York is going to win. And just whoever gets 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.240 the most votes will will say that's the city that 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.760 gets the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah, I 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.559 get the feeling it was that it was like, Hey, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:41.800 we know we're gonna put it in New York, but 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.600 this will drum up a lot of publicity, get everyone 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.079 excited all around the country, even though they're gonna lose. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:53.760 But I think he underestimated two things, the the passion 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.960 of Midwesterners and the pride of Clevelanders, and o'hien's two 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.160 put their their city on the map a little bit 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.040 more than it even was then. And the disinterest of 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.280 your average New Yorker to take place in a poll 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:14.040 or a vote or a petition or a ah to 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.080 sign their name on something. Yeah, and don't forget this 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.839 was around the time of balloon Fest eight six, so 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.480 like Cleveland was really trying. They were trying to find 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.199 something that that let the world know Cleveland was great. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.160 So they actually collected six hundred and fifty thousand signatures, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.160 which was more than the population of Cleveland at the time. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.480 They got a lot of people behind this idea. Um, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.480 and I guess USA today ran a pole in January six, right, 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.719 and they said, Okay, which are these cities should the 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.000 Rock and Wall Hall of Fame be in? That's right, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.079 And I'm sure they had a colorful graph to declare 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.199 Cleveland the winner by a landslide a hundred and ten 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.200 thousand votes in first place. Second place went to Memphis 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.720 was seventy two hundred. So Cleveland they know how to 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:03.439 get people motivated, uh, for civic pride, I will say that, yes. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.840 But the thing that probably really got the Foundation's attention 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:13.040 was that Cleveland also simultaneously raised twenty six million dollars 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.640 for the museum to basically say, hey, we're we're quite 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.200 serious about this. And it would turn out later that 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.120 the whole thing cost about a hundred million, but Cleveland 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.240 footed the bill for the whole thing. Yeah, so it 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.600 was actually, as we'll see, a pretty good choice. Um. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.760 And finally it was announced that okay, fine, yes it 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.840 will be in Cleveland. That's right. But they did not 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.960 wait for the building to be built to have their 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.000 first Hall of Fame class voted on and inducted. They 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.200 did that in New York City, Chuck Berry, James Brown, Ray, Charles, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:52.000 Sam Cook, Fats Domino, the Everly Brothers, Buddy Holly, Jeley, Lewis, Elvis, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.680 and Little Richard. And then on the non performance idea 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.160 had Sam Phillips and Allen Freed. Uh, you had early 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.080 influencer is Jimmy Rodgers and Jimmy Yancey. And the lifetime 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.560 achievement that year went to John Hammond, who it didn't 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:13.240 look up, but that's got to be the Hammond Organ. Yes, okay. So, um, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.040 there was this great quote that day found that really 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.120 kind of got across, Like even at the outset of 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.320 the criticism of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.720 it said that, um, rock and roll is now so 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.160 middle class, it was accorded to most civilized honor. It 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.400 was given a dinner for when writing about the Rock 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.360 and Roll Hall of Fame, first class induction in you 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.920 know that that reporter was like, right after they type, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:45.440 I'm so self satisfied, gosh, all right, we're gonna take 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.760 a break now and we're gonna talk about the building 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:52.640 itself and how you get in that thing besides paying 0:15:52.640 --> 0:16:15.280 money to buy a ticket. Right after this, so Chuck, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.960 everywhere I've read is that you have to show that 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.520 you've signed your name in blood in the Book of 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.520 Satan to get into the Rock and Roll Hall of 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:29.880 Fame and pay thirty dollars, right, is it still thirty bucks. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.240 I didn't look that up. I believe, Yes, I think 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.600 that's about right. Yes, And they have different stuff too, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.200 Like like any museum, they'll have temporary exhibits. So if 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.720 you've been once, I don't think you can't go again, right, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.960 they'll let you back in, especially if you're willing to 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.800 pay another thirty dollars. Yeah, and you'll see new stuff, 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.200 but supposedly, um, you should not expect to see everything 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.520 in an hour even too, um and really be able 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.120 to soak it in. Like I've read that you can 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.080 zip through the museum and maybe two and a half hours, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.320 but you're not getting that much out of it. It 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.720 depends on how much you want to read the placards 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.840 and stare it that Jimi Hendrix is purple haze lyrics. Well. Yeah, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.760 and there's also lots and lots of videos and archival 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.760 footage and stuff like that that you can really add 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.240 a lot to your visit to to sit and watch 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.960 and listen to. That's right. So when they went to 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.480 build the building, uh, they enlisted the services of one 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.240 I am pay Is it pay or pay pay? I 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:33.800 am pay um, the architect who just happened to design 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.040 the expansion of the Louver, which didn't even take that long. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.200 It didn't didn't that the second time I've referenced signed 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.919 that same Seinfeld thing in the last few weeks. No, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.560 remember when George pretended to be an architect. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.320 and they said he designed the new thing in the 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.080 Googgenheim and he didn't really even take that long. Yeah 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.000 I do. I don't remember you referencing it again. I've 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.800 referenced it recently. I thought it was to you, but 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.320 it's hard to tell real life. I'm totally with you 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.439 man these chats these days. But yeah, so he you know, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.919 I am pay had a great resume design that glass 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.520 pyramid at the Louver, and uh went to a few 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.240 concerts to sort of, you know, get the the gist 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.880 of what this whole rock and roll thing was all about. Yeah, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:25.240 and apparently, um, he was on acid with lou Reid 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.520 at the bon Jovis show at the meadow Lands and 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.080 when he stood up and he said, I've got it. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.560 Another triangle is what I'm going to do. Another pyramid, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.280 pyramid And he did. It was a it's a pretty 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.160 iconic building in and of itself. Um, and the pyramid, though, 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.520 if you hear that he also did the pyramid at 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.920 the louver, You're like, oh, come on, there's other shapes, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.560 but this one is meant to evoke. Especially if you 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.439 look at the logo or the letter head for the 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.119 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Um, they have a 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.879 pyramid in that, and you see very clearly that the 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.520 two meant to evoke guitar neck vanishing off into the distance, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.680 like you're looking up the neck of a guitar from 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.120 the body. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of cool 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.080 things about it. There's also this central tower and then 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.240 in front of it a big sixty five thousand square 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.240 foot um circular plaza, and if you look from above, um, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:21.639 it's really neat. You can look at a picture of 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.239 it looks like a record uh. And then on that 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.520 plaza there's like the arm of the record player and 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.120 the needle uh, and it looks like a turntable, which 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.919 is really cool. Yeah, it is very cool. So, and 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.720 it's also like it's a very literal building as far 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.680 as like what it's supposed to look like goes, But 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.880 it's also enormous and very nice. It's one of those 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:43.560 things where if you research the rock and Roll Hall 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:48.119 of Fame. You either come across Cleveland dot Com articles 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:55.840 UM rock music um uh, journalism articles or architectural articles. 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.399 Those are the three groups that basically lay claim to 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.760 the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And You're like, 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.480 I'd fly over it, but I'm not going in. It's 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.720 not like I wouldn't go in. I don't. I would. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.720 I would go in. I just wouldn't get as much 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.280 out of it as you. Okay, all right, we're getting places. Yeah, 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.480 it's not like I'm and I certainly don't begrudge anybody going. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.280 I'm I'm just saying I won't get as much out 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.639 of it as you will. It's not like I didn't 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.200 understand it. I guess what I'm trying to say is, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:22.879 let me see if I'm even put it in different tips. 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:27.359 I just I just don't care. I know that's not true. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:33.440 I care. We'll we're gonna crack this code by the end. Okay. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.919 Uh So they broke ground opened in ve with a 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.680 six hour concert. I saw seven and a half. Oh 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:48.120 well Springs sign was involved. He did it again? There 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.080 it is again? Did he really Dave did? Oh? My gosh, 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:59.000 did David? It's Springsteen. Oh, that's no TYPEO because I 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.480 see other ease like his e button isn't broken. It's true, 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.240 there's one that comes right before the eye. And Bruce Springstein, 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.000 I can't wait to get his email. Uh. So they 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.320 have that concert at Cleveland Muni Stadium with Chuck Berry 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.320 and who is still around played with Springstein and Johnny 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:22.840 Cash and Johnny Coogs, Aretha al Green, lou Reid. It 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:27.359 was quite an event. Uh. And then I guess we 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.359 should talk about how you get in because this is 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.439 where it takes on a lot of heat. Um. Some 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.280 people say there should be no such thing because rock 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.560 and roll shouldn't be in a museum, But then other 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:43.160 people say the like the voting process and the vagueness 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:48.160 of qualifications to be considered are just weird. And it's 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.679 a popularity contest, and it's gotten a lot of criticism 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.679 over the years because basically, you have to be at 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.119 least twenty five years out from your debut album m 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:08.960 and you need to have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence, which 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.560 is not it's not really great guidance, but it is 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.280 kind of rock if you think about it, it's kind 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:14.840 of rock and roll to be that way, I think, 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.920 you know, Um, but yeah, that definitely is so subjective 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.200 that of course it's opened up to you know, accusations 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:27.199 of favoritism, sexism, which which definitely seems to be legit 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.320 only eight percent of the inductees and the Rock and 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.440 Roll Hall of Fame or women, and there's definitely way 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.800 more than eight percent of women rockers or women contributors 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:41.080 to rock and roll. So um, it's not that these 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:48.000 these allegations or suggestions are just totally off base necessarily, Um, 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.399 they may be quite accurate. Yeah, I mean, here's my deal. 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:55.119 I kind of think it has to be that vague 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.399 because they would they would get probably more complaints if 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.439 it was the numbers, if there was an algorithm like 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.640 you need to have had this many number one singles 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:09.000 won this Mini Grammys, which are also subjected by the way, Um, 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.680 I don't think it can be based on record sales, 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.520