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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles w Lix Bryant and Jerry's over there, and

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Speaker 1: this is stuff you should know. The Rock and Roll

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame edition Tata or as was it Skinner

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Speaker 1: that said rock and or Rolling? Yes, it was. It's

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Speaker 1: a good one. I'm glad you said that, because every

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Speaker 1: time we walk past something one of the Simpsons characters

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Speaker 1: said and their nine hundred million seasons, somebody writes and

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Speaker 1: it's like, how could you possibly not say this? You dummies?

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Speaker 1: Remember that time we got to go to a Simpson's

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Speaker 1: table read probably second or third best day of either

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Speaker 1: one of our lives. Yes, absolutely, that's always what I

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Speaker 1: respond back with. I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Were

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Speaker 1: you at the table Marie we were at when we

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Speaker 1: met Matt Graening and he drew Simpsons characters on our

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Speaker 1: autograph scripts, which I still have. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you still have yours. I still have mine, Kidney. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I am kidding you. I can know I tossed it.

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Speaker 1: So you're like, I don't have room for this. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: so Chuck, we are talking about the Rock and Roll

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame today. We've already talked about the Simpsons

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Speaker 1: on an official episode before too of them. Actually, this

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Speaker 1: one's a little different. This is about rock and roll,

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Speaker 1: the musical genre, which is way more encompassing than a

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Speaker 1: lot of people would like to admit. It turns out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that. There's a lot there, We definitely will.

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Speaker 1: I it smacks a lot of our remember our disco episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: smacks a lot of that. And I now we've talked

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Speaker 1: about this. I don't think you've been. Have you to

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Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? No? I haven't. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Cleveland. I'm sorry, but I settled down. I

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Speaker 1: have not. I have not been yet now, and I

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Speaker 1: actually have to say, I don't know that I care to.

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Speaker 1: I know that there are plenty of people out there

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Speaker 1: who love would love to go to that and should,

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Speaker 1: But for me personally, I just I don't care. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not your kind of place. Really, No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not meant for losers like me. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's it. It's it's meant for losers like me.

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Speaker 1: I went, you know, my family or Emily's families from Akron,

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Speaker 1: did all the Cleveland things and this was one of them.

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Speaker 1: And um, definitely, it's definitely one of the Cleveland things

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Speaker 1: to do. For sure. It's one of the Cleveland things. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's a place that I want to go back to.

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Speaker 1: I love this in the in the museum in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: like the pop Culture Museum. I can't remember what it's called.

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Speaker 1: What's called the Museum of Popular Culture? Awesome? Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: there's but there's more and then they name. But I

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Speaker 1: love standing and looking at uh, the the original pad

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Speaker 1: of paper where the original lyrics to Purple Hazer written.

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Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying. I like listening to Purple

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Speaker 1: I couldn't it was originally written on Like I get

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Speaker 1: what people are getting out of this. It just doesn't

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Speaker 1: hit me that way, No, I hear you. I had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other things I was gonna say I love,

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Speaker 1: But are you gonna say you don't love them? After

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Speaker 1: every one of them? Let's let's find out. I love

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Speaker 1: looking at the outfit that Bruce Springsteen were on the

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Speaker 1: I love looking it. I could see how you would

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Speaker 1: like that. I don't care about that outfit. I love

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Speaker 1: standing in front of Prince's tiny little purple jumpsuit, cool

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Speaker 1: guitar or Mick Jaggers Uh tiny little ten year old

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Speaker 1: boy sized jeans leather pants so small. They're also small.

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Speaker 1: I thought Mick Jagger was, you know, not point size.

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Speaker 1: know that Mick Jagger was as well. That's and we've

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Speaker 1: talked about this. That's why they learned to be musicians,

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Speaker 1: because they can't they're trying to get girls. Well, Prince

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Speaker 1: was a great basketball player too. I don't know about

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Speaker 1: Mick Jagger, but he was show Yes, it's true, so

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Speaker 1: that he played basketball in high school too. Oh man, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: But uh, the point is, I really really love seeing

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Speaker 1: knowing that that's and this is not just rock and

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Speaker 1: roll memorabilia. Like I like any museum where I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to come off like some rube

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Speaker 1: It's just some like pop culture memorabilia doesn't do it.

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Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. I think we've established that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: like joshly and like museums would have dummy. No, we

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Speaker 1: know you like museums. You got engaged in a museum.

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Speaker 1: You like museums so much. That's absolutely true. Thanks for that.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the backup, chuck. Yeah, and you like like

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Speaker 1: you'll see uh uh the Scream and a million art

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Speaker 1: real thing. All right, let's talk about the Rock and

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Speaker 1: Roll Hall of fame itself. Shall we Yes? I think

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Speaker 1: kind of summarizes a lot of some people hate the

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Speaker 1: rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not just because they're

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Speaker 1: not into pop culture museums, but they hate the idea

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Speaker 1: and they think it the least rock and thing you

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Speaker 1: can do is vote people into a Hall of Fame, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is a real criticism of it. And it's really

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Speaker 1: something that um, from what I've read, the rock and

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Speaker 1: figured out how to how to deal with that paradox,

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Speaker 1: because it is a paradox, like to take like what

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Speaker 1: it doesn't follow the rules, and then just like put

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Speaker 1: forward as a paradox basically. Yeah. And I should point

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Speaker 1: But this all comes back to Johnny Rotten, Uh, the

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Speaker 1: and he said, next to the Sex Pistols, rock and

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Speaker 1: your museum, urine in wine. We're not coming, We're not

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Speaker 1: your monkeys. And so what that was it was a

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Speaker 1: great read. So that's sort of the thing though, That

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Speaker 1: they read that on stage rather than just burying it,

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's had such an enormous impact on

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a rock

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Speaker 1: that's just what you do when you create a museum.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, But we'll talk about more of that

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Speaker 1: because the whole thing opened up on September, but it

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Speaker 1: That's the point, that's right. So air Again was the

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Speaker 1: co founder of Atlantic Records, UM the biggest name in

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Speaker 1: rock and roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. Yes, And

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Speaker 1: Like Cleveland actually has a lot of claim to rock

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Speaker 1: break you. David Bowie was broke there Rush and we

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Speaker 1: Bruce Springstein. Uh. Joe Walsh is from Cleveland. Trin resumes

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Speaker 1: Uh So, Yeah, the vagaries around induction has definitely been

423
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,239
Speaker 1: a criticism. They come up with a staff comes up

424
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: with the list of nominees each year. Uh they send

425
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: that out to a thousand musicians and members of the

426
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: record industry, historians, music historians, and then they vote for

427
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: the top picks, and then if you receive at least

428
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: of the vote, which is five votes, then you were inducted.

429
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: And that's usually between five and seven performers each year, right,

430
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: And so the induction process is basically like a museum,

431
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: the museum version of the hundred greatest bands of all time,

432
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: hundred greatest albums of all time, and all of like

433
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: the arguments that that starts. Yeah, that's basically the voting

434
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: and induction process every single year. Why is this person

435
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: on this list? Why isn't this person on this list?

436
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: Why haven't you inducted this person? This doesn't even count

437
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: as that kind of music. That is exacts the induction

438
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: process every single year, and everybody's right, Yeah, And I

439
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: think the Hall of Fame itself is kind of like

440
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: I don't think they're trying to solve that anymore. I

441
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: think they're just like, yeah, that's just comes with the

442
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: territory and stick it in your butt if you don't

443
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: like it. Probably the wisest thing they could do is

444
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: approach it from that way. There is a fan vote now,

445
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: which is great. Um, I don't know if they've always

446
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: had it, but you can vote online and pick your

447
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: top five, and the winner of the fan vote is

448
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: on a fan ballot. And I believe that kind of

449
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: change things because you know, bands like Rush in Cheap

450
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Trick finally getting in the last couple of years, there

451
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: were a couple of the big ones where people were like,

452
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: why are they not in there? Like they might may

453
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: not be the most popular band across all demographics, but

454
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: like they have some of the most devoted fan bases

455
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: and have been doing it for you know, thirty years. Yeah. No,

456
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: there's tons and tons of people that you can say, like,

457
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: why aren't they in there? Um? Yeah, for sure. But

458
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that the fan vote is actually having

459
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: much of an impact because I saw that it's added

460
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: to the other thousand votes, like all of the fant

461
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: allies adds up to one extra vote. It's not like

462
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: they can vote in people. No. And I learned that

463
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: from Dee Snyder, who we were actually on a TV

464
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: set with at the same time, the lead singer Twisted Sister.

465
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: He yeah, great guy. Um. He was trying to rally

466
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: the public to support Iron Maiden this past year, and

467
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Maiden got passed up, which is agreed ridiculous, but apparently

468
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: metal acts like just routinely know by the Rock and

469
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame so much so that you would

470
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: probably be like, what is going on, Why do you

471
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: not like metal? Metal is definitely rock and roll for sure. Yeah,

472
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, well, we'll get to more of that later,

473
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: because it is very strange that Judas Priest is not

474
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Uh. They

475
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: also hand out other awards, the Ahmed Urigan Award. Um

476
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: it was the Lifetime Achievement award originally in this for

477
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: non performers who have had a major influence on the

478
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: development of rock and roll. So we're talking, uh, Brian Epstein,

479
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: not Brian Epstein. I think it is Epstein. Uh managed

480
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: the Beatles, Dick Clark is in lou Adler, Leo Finder,

481
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Phil Specter, people like that. Yeah. There's also the Early

482
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: Influence Award, which is basically like, you're not rock and roll,

483
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: but you definitely influenced a lot of people who play

484
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: rock and roll, So people get inducted in that way,

485
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: like Woody Guthrie definitely not a rocker, but he certainly did,

486
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: um he influence like Bob Dylan, who's considered a rocker,

487
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's a good

488
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: way to get in is to just travel in time,

489
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: release a bunch of records in the nineteen twenties and

490
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: sit back and wait for your induction after your long day. Uh.

491
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: Louis Armstrong, Billy Holliday, Robert Johnson, our own les Paul,

492
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: aren't less Paul like we own him. He's with us. Uh.

493
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: Then there's the Award for Musical Excellent. This is the

494
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: artist of musicians and songwriters and producers who was originality

495
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: and influenced creating music have had a dramatic impact. Only

496
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: twenty two. They don't do this every year. Um Ringo

497
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: star Leon Russell, now Rogers the Street Band without Bruce Springstein.

498
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: Nile Rogers is in there. He was. I was reading

499
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: about him. He's had one of the most amazing careers

500
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: of all time. Yeah yeah, I mean if he just

501
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: did Chic alone, that would be fine. Yep, But he's

502
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: got you know. That was just a small part of

503
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: his career. Yes it was. I mean the most recent

504
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: thing he did was win three Grammys for working with

505
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: Daft Punk on their most recent album, I guess their

506
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: last album, There You go. So, there's some things about

507
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: being inducted um that are kind of anomalous and interesting

508
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: in in that like you can be inducted more than

509
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: once in different capacities, right, yeah, yeah, if you're a

510
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: solo performer and you're in a band like Stevie Nicks

511
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: is the only woman to be inducted two times as

512
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: a solo performer and is a member of Fleetwood Back. No, Tina,

513
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Tina was inducted twice, and so is Carol King. Well,

514
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: they are being inducted this year, so technically I got

515
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: two more weeks before us. I should have known better, Chuck,

516
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think October thirty is so. Carol King

517
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: was in there as a songwriter, I guess, yeah, I

518
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: believe so. And Tina with with Nina, Yeah, I had

519
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: to be yes. Can you believe it they inducted her

520
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: with Ike before they inducted her as their solo career.

521
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Give me a break. I believe that chronologically, But it

522
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have to go chronic chronologically. It says nothing about

523
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: chronological order. But we'll let me ask you this. When

524
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: you think Tina Turner, do you think rolling on the

525
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: river or do you think private dancer private, okay, you

526
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 1: think sexy, sweaty saxophone. Yes, solos, yes, totally, alright, fair enough,

527
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about one right now, which is why she's

528
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: in there twice. Eric Clapton's in there three times, not once,

529
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: not twice, but thrice obviously, Yardbirds Cream and it's a

530
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: solo guy. All the Beatles are in twice. Yeah, all

531
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: it's they're the only band all inducted as solo artists. Yeah.

532
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: I can't think of another band that might hit that mark.

533
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: Um um. I can't either, because not many people are

534
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: going to be just as big as a solo performer. No,

535
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: it's very rare, for sure. Um. And I think it's

536
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: nice that they gave Ringo his own two in two

537
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. That was great. That was a very nice ceremony.

538
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: I watched it every year, the ceremonies. Oh sure, I

539
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: love it. It's it's fun because you know they induct

540
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: the people. Someone who loves that person is inducting them,

541
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: so that's always great. And it's always you know, like, uh,

542
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: somebody might not expect like Harry Styles inducted Stevie Nicks

543
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: and like I didn't even know Harry styles like Stevie Nicks.

544
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: In turns out he loves Stevie Nicks. So it's stuff

545
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: like that. And then they give their speech which is

546
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: great or a complete uh disaster, which is also fun.

547
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: So this is from Amanda Patrucius Patrucius, sorry, Amanda um

548
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: from the New Yorker back in two thousand seventeen, and

549
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: she said, the televised ceremony proceeded about is expected. Gentlemen

550
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 1: with exacting hairstyles, wore sunglasses inside, hugged each other reluctantly,

551
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: and squinted at a teleprompter. Was like, he just took

552
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: me there to the induction. Well, what's funny is some

553
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: of these some of the speeches are really nice and awesome. Uh,

554
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: and then some of them are uh. Some people are

555
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: like up there with bands that they broke up with

556
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: and like they hated each other. Yeah, Like, oh my god,

557
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: have you seen the acceptance speech for Blondie? I know

558
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: I saw it live, but I don't remember what was

559
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: What would happen? Blondie wouldn't let like three or four

560
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: of the original members play at the ceremony. Debbie Harry

561
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't know, yes, sorry, Debbie Harry would not and one

562
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: of the original guys begged her on the microphone during

563
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: his speech, and she said no and kept saying no.

564
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: It was like no, we're not no, you're not playing tonight,

565
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: and um, it was really deeply uncomfortable. Fifteen years later

566
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: watching it on YouTube, I was like, I'm gonna throw up.

567
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm so so uncomfortable right now. Well, you know, sometimes

568
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: people don't show up, like Paul McCartney didn't show up

569
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: for the Beatles induction because supposedly he was in a

570
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: lawsuit at the time with Yoko and Ringo about something. Um,

571
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: the Talking Heads managed to get together and play together,

572
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: like that's the other thing, you know, that's where I

573
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: was headed. You have your speech and then you play together,

574
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: usually as the original band. Sometimes if it's like like

575
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: a journey, you know, Steve Perry didn't sing, but he

576
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: gave his blessing for the new guy to sing. Sometimes

577
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: they'll have both, like you know, Guns and Roses will

578
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: have the two drummers there and they'll take turns Axel

579
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: wasn't there, you know, not mid song. Uh. And then

580
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: sometimes people can't get it together at all and they're

581
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: just like, no, we hate each other. We're not playing,

582
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: we're not showing up. Um. Sometimes Mike Love will get

583
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: up there as a member of the Beach Boys and

584
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: be a crazy freak. Uh just watch his speech if

585
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: you want to see something very deeply uncomfortable. I can't.

586
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: He like flat out challenged people on stage. He just

587
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: got really salty, like halfway through and he's like, I'd

588
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: love to see I'd love to see the mop Tops

589
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: the Beatles get up and do a hundred and eighties

590
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: shows a year, or I'd like to see Mick Jagger

591
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: get up on stage and do what I do. And

592
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: it was just and he's a legendary jerk, but it

593
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: was it was really something else he does not live

594
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: up to. But to me, that's sort of the fun

595
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: of watching the ceremony is all these really deeply personal

596
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: relationships of these people that are suddenly thrust back together. Uh,

597
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: and do they work it out and are they amicable

598
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: and cool or not? Bunny Carlos played with cheap Trick,

599
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: which is cool, they're drummer that left um. But sometimes

600
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: like Axel Rose in a full on legally statement that

601
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: not only didn't say like I don't want to come,

602
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: but he was like, no one is allowed to induct me.

603
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: No one is allowed to speak for me. I think

604
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: we have to read it. Chuck, Yeah, read it. It's

605
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: pretty graty. This was from Axel Rose. I strongly request

606
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: that I not be inducted in absentia, and please know

607
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: that no one is authorized, nor may anyone be permitted

608
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf.

609
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Neither former members, label representatives, nor the Rock and Roll

610
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame should imply, whether directly, indirectly or biomission,

611
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: that I am included in any purported induction of Guns

612
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: and Roses. Oh man, he really did want to take part,

613
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: and yet they got back together and they're playing again

614
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: and seemingly enjoying themselves. What's his problem with Guns and Roses?

615
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew they broke up or whatever, but

616
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: why does he like hate Slash or what's the problem?

617
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he and Slash had problems, and I don't

618
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: know they worked it all out, but they hugged it out.

619
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: Who knows what goes on behind these closed green room doors?

620
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: You know? Wasn't that the song No One Knows what

621
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: goes on behind green rooms doors? I think? Is that

622
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: a bob Seekers song. I think so maybe we should

623
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: take a break. All right, let's do that. All right,

624
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're gonna wrap this thing up,

625
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: all right. Should we talk about some of the famous snubs? Yes, definitely,

626
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: we can just do that for the rest of the show. Well,

627
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at the list. I'm gonna go

628
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: ahead and throw out Alison Chains and Big Star, like

629
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: throw them out like you don't include them, throw them

630
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: out like they should be in and they're not. How

631
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: about wait for this one, Uh, Dick Dale, that's just nuts.

632
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: That's we talked about that in the Gibson Fender episode.

633
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: How about the Smiths or m C five, I know,

634
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it gets, it gets weird. It's like, who'sker

635
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: do to me? Belongs in there? But like they were

636
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: a very small band in excess was a huge band.

637
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: Jane's addictions not in the Jane's addiction not being in

638
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: there's pretty surprising and just objectively wrong for sure. I

639
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: totally agree. Uh Motorhead, well, Motley Crue, it gets. It's

640
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: so subjective, it gets so weird because people poo poo

641
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: stuff like disco and they poopoo stuff like uh like

642
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne or metal like he should be in there,

643
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. But that's I mean, that's that kind

644
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: of gets at the heart of why a lot of

645
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: people are like, wait a minute, what's going on here? Um,

646
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Because like hip hop acts have started to be inducted

647
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: into it starting in two thousand and seventeen, UM or

648
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, I'm sorry with Grandmaster Flash in the

649
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: Furious five. I think one of the most recent one

650
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: was jay Z and is that right? And we said

651
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: earlier that it hadn't happened yet by the time this

652
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: is out, it will have already. Okay, so this year

653
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: part of this class, Okay, Tupac got inducted. I think,

654
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about that? One?

655
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: More Failakuti was nominated this year, but he didn't make it.

656
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: So there's this guy that um Dave turned up that

657
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: I think makes a really great case. His name is

658
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Troy L. Smith. He works for Cleveland dot Com, one

659
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: of the triumvirate of writing about the Rock and Roll

660
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and um. He says, look, man, if

661
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: you are talking about rock and roll, of course it

662
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: would include hip hop just as much as it would

663
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: include like alternative or new wave or punk, like they're

664
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: all branching off the same tree. Because if rock and

665
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: roll is the trunk, if you go a little further down,

666
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: the roots of that tree are like blues, jazz, gospel,

667
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: boogie woogie do walk, like all this stuff combined to

668
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: make rock and roll. And if you're saying like rock

669
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: and roll is just a white guy with a guitar

670
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: somewhere between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen nine, you're talking

671
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: specifically about rock, and that's actually different than rock and roll.

672
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: And this isn't the rock Hall of Fame. This is

673
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: the rock and roll Hall of Fame. So yeah, you

674
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: could make a really strong case to include not just

675
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: hip hop but also like R and b um world

676
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: music like Failey, Cooties, afrobeats, stuff like, like all these

677
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: people were influenced by the same tree. And that's what

678
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: Troy Smith is seen. And I gotta say I agree

679
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: with them on that one. I just have mixed feelings.

680
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: I do agree, but it's um. Then just call it

681
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: the Music Hall of Fame, maybe because it's some people.

682
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: It's weird that like Willie Nelson's not in there, but

683
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: like another country artist might be like Williams is in there,

684
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash. Yeah, like they'll include jazz and now hip hop,

685
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: but like not metal. It's just I don't know, man,

686
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: that it starts to sort of fall apart in a

687
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: way the more you expand it. Because there is a

688
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: country music Hall of Fame that there's probably I don't

689
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: know if there's a jazz hall of Fame is there somewhere?

690
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean like like should everyone have their own hall

691
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: of fame like every genre? But then where do you stop?

692
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: Is it like is new way the genre like it is?

693
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: But is it under the more all inclusive banner of

694
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: rock and roll? It just it gets really like a

695
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: cat chasing its own tail at some point. So there

696
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: was this kind of Twitter just Russian, which means a

697
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: flame war between ice Cube and Gene Simmons from Kiss

698
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: when n w A was being abducted. Gene Simmons was

699
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: pooh pooing the whole thing and ice Cube was defending it,

700
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: and ice Cube had a pretty good point. He said, Um,

701
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: the question is are we rock and roll? Rock and

702
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: roll is not an instrument. Rock and roll is not

703
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: even a style of music. Rock and roll is a spirit.

704
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: It's not conforming, it's outside the box. And then he

705
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: finishes with rock and rolls in w A, which I

706
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: could not have read that more squarely than I did.

707
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: But if you go a little further and read Gene

708
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: Simmons is retort too. He's saying, like, yes, he's criticizing

709
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: hip hop is not like actual music because they sample

710
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: and they talk, rather than saying so therefore it's not rock.

711
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I disagree with that. But he also says, I'll tell

712
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you what, when led Zeppelin gets inducted into the Rap

713
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, then you will have proven your point.

714
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: And he makes a good case in that situation as well.

715
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: But it kind of dove tails in with your idea,

716
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: like should each of them, each genre of music have

717
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: its own hall of Fame? I don't think so. I

718
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: think the rock and roll Hall of Fame is a

719
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: wide enough umbrella that it includes hip hop and other

720
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: stuff that's not rock. Yeah, that's not a great look

721
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: to say stuff like that either, though, No, I know,

722
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: and like like you know, of course there's allegations of

723
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: racism and sexism and and um homophobism is that a word? Sure? Umho?

724
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: I think of course, dude, of course, But Um, Amanda, Patricia,

725
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Amanda. Um. She says that. Um. She points out,

726
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: like how much this this ties into that same hatred

727
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: of disco by the same people who are into rock.

728
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: But at the time when rock was new, these are

729
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: the same people who never aged out of that. It's

730
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: all rock. It's all white guy with the guitar from

731
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: nine six seven, and that's rock, and that's rock and roll.

732
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: And that's just not true. That's a type of rock

733
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: and roll. That's not the all and I'll be all

734
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: of rock and roll. Yes, that's my take on it.

735
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: I'll stop saying it. I know I've said it at

736
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: least twice now, but it's just so true it is. Uh.

737
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: He saw who was coming in this year. I thought

738
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: that might get you excited. Who. Well, in the in

739
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: the performer it's Tina Turner, Carol King, the go Goes Amazing,

740
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: jay Z Foo Fighters, and Todd Rundgren. But the Early

741
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: Influence Award, my friend craft work. Oh really they're getting

742
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: in Huh, they're getting in his early influence along with

743
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: Charlie Patton and uh and legendary jazz poet Gil Scott Heron,

744
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: who I totally think Whyatt's Senac should play in a biopic.

745
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you mean a biopic. In a biopic, I

746
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: think why it would crush that role. And I think

747
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: I've even told him that. Oh yeah, what was his response?

748
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: I don't think I've told him that, because he would

749
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: probably be like, I don't need career advice from me.

750
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: But that's right, zip it why it's famous for saying

751
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: Musical Excellent Award this year is local j Billy Preston

752
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: and Randy Rhodes, not bad. Ozzy's not even in there.

753
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: And then Clarence Avant is getting the Ahmet Ernigan Award,

754
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: and I don't know who that is, and I feel

755
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: like I should. I don't either, So so Chuck, they

756
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: have um purple haze lyrics. I think we've established that

757
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: multiple times. What else do they have at the Rock

758
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: and Hall of Fame that would be worth paying thirty

759
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: dollars to go see? By the way, Clarence uh Avant

760
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: is known as the Black Godfather, entrepreneur, executive and film

761
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: producer and American music executive. So I gotta shout him out.

762
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, they got they got the instruments, they got

763
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: the out, they got a whole room of clothing and

764
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: legendary outfits. Uh, they have the handwritten lyrics, They have

765
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: archival like original master tapes where in listening rooms. They

766
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: have this really cool thing now that just opened a

767
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: couple of years ago called the Garage, where it's literally

768
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: like a garage just set up with a full band

769
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: and you can go in there. You don't have to

770
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, and they'll try and teach you

771
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: how to play instruments. I just want to wash your

772
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: hands afterwards. Yeah, well you do now for sure, and

773
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: you're like or always um and you know, they have

774
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: a great music education program with working with the schools

775
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: in Ohio and in Cleveland, so like, like they do

776
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of cool outreach and hands on stuff to

777
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: get people involved. And if you go to the garage

778
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: the website for the garage and you see like these,

779
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: you know sort of people you who can tell have

780
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: never picked up an instrument before playing the drums or

781
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: playing the bass just a little bit, and like the

782
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: delight on their faces. It's pretty cool. That's where the

783
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: museum staff who transgressed are punished. They have to go

784
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: hang out at the garage and watch that. Oh you

785
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: get this now they're teaching them the teachers I got. Well.

786
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: The only other thing I want to point out is

787
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: the if you're looking for highlights from over the years,

788
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: that you know, in the end, they had this all

789
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Star jam where a bunch of people come on stage

790
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: and play some songs, and I think probably the most

791
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: legendary moment that's ever happened, and it was passed along.

792
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Uh more recently after his death was that George Harrison's

793
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: posthumous induction and all Star jam. They were playing while

794
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: my guitar gently weeps and prints, comes out of the

795
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: shadows and destroys the stage with a guitar solo that

796
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: like is unlike anything I've ever seen. It's amazing, and

797
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: he's just the coolest dude on the planet. He finishes

798
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: his solo, takes his guitar up and throws it up

799
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: in the air, and there's, uh, you don't know this,

800
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: but his guys out there to catch the guitar. But

801
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: and he struts off stage and Tom Petty's and Jeff

802
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: Lynn are just standing there like and Danny Harrison like,

803
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, what just happened. That's pretty cool, man,

804
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Um, so one long and last thing that

805
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tried to expand

806
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: they finally tried to open something in New York and

807
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: they did, uh and I think um two thousand eight. Yes,

808
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: So they finally got that New York outpost, right, chuck,

809
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: And then within two years it was closed, And they

810
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: tried another one in Tokyo in two thousand and seventeen.

811
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: It closed in five months later, and Dave Rouse nails

812
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: it with this last line. I guess Cleveland really was

813
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: the right choice after all, wink emoji. Yeah. I mean

814
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: they need to keep expanding Cleveland because you've only got

815
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: so much space, you know, Yeah, for sure, but I mean,

816
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: like it's that was the place to do it. It

817
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: turns out that that was absolutely correct, So that's good.

818
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes big decisions don't always work out, and this was

819
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: one that did. And by God, God bless you, Cleveland.

820
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: We gotta get Jane's addiction in there, sure. I think

821
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: we also really even more so, maybe need to get

822
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: like Iron Maiden in there or Judas Priests or both.

823
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: James was nominated once, uh and didn't get in the

824
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: war has been nominated three times and hasn't gotten And

825
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't. That's oh no, no, no, no. Chic has

826
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: been nominated eleven times and hasn't gotten in that just

827
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: because it's disco, that is ridiculous. I saw I read

828
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: an article making the case for weird Al, but then

829
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: also saying why weird Al will never make it in

830
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: because he makes seventeen years uh snubbed, never nominated. Maybe

831
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: someday weird Al. But I also get the impression weird

832
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Al doesn't care. Yeah, well maybe he does steep down. No,

833
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay. Um, since we said weird

834
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: Al doesn't care, obviously, that means that it is time

835
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: for a listener. Now. Uh, let me see here, which

836
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: one should I read? I'm gonna call this lemon song. Um,

837
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: every morning is to get ready for work. Guys, I

838
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: like to throw on an episode of stuff. You should know.

839
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: The excitement that came over me this morning and to

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