WEBVTT - Bethenny Frankel vs Bravo 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:05.120 Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. That's right. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:06.439 You can buy. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:12.400 Your Allegedly and My Boys mugs, T shirts, rain Drops, 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:17.640 hoodies and T shirts all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.640 That's right. Get your hoodies, your T shirts. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:26.320 And your mugs all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:29.960 Welcome to Reality with the King. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.080 It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.880 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:42.199 television with over ten years of production experience. Once a 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.960 week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.919 my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.880 and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:54.760 tweeting about me. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.120 Hey, rain Drops, yahs. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.760 On today's Reality with the King episode, I am reunited 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.480 with my friend, my girl fan favorite the rain Drops 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:15.800 love her. Yes, I'm talking about see Amazing Kase. We 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:20.880 have to do a deep dive into the Bethany Verses 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:27.080 Bravo Saga in addition to and My Bethany Boys, the 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.760 number one worldwide podcast in the world. Her interview with 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:37.080 the artists formerly known as ray Quel, Rachel and the 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:38.440 backlash she received. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:39.440 So let's get started. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:45.360 Bethany Frankel, a former Real Housewives of New York City housewife, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:51.320 a former pal of Andy Cohen, allegedly has taken upon 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:57.560 herself to hire two high powered attorneys and what she 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:02.640 is calling reality reckoning, which means she is as of 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:10.960 now focusing on NBC Universal slash Bravo. In terms of 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.520 getting the reality stars, what she feels like is they 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:21.520 just do everything from She wants them compensated for using merchandise. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.320 She wants them to have some of the same rights 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:30.040 as a sac after union workers. In addition to she 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:36.480 wants them to get higher pay, and she also wants 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.000 them which I was like, ooh girl, Bethany, what are 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:46.240 we doing sis? She also wants retroactive pay for these 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.760 reality stars and some of the things that her and 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.960 her turnings are alleging is out of this world. But 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.160 before we get into the documents, when you first heard 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.840 about this, Kate, what was your reaction. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.440 I think of myself as a very measured person. I 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.720 like to have all of the information before I kind 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.519 of decide on something. I actually was just on Mark 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.600 Jerragos's show. He's one of the attorneys, and I was 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.720 asking some of the questions about it too, because I 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.840 think for the lay person it can be a little 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.400 bit confusing. And so you have the scripted world and 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.640 the unscripted world, and unscripted has has not been included 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:30.040 in this strike discussion talks even that pre date this year. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.640 For context, people should understand that reality shows really exploded 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.120 in the early two thousands with like Survivor and a 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.720 lot of the competition shows. Then when there was a 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.320 strike two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, there 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:48.040 really was a reality explosion because those shows were easier 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:55.240 to make smaller budgets, quicker timelines. So over time, unscripted, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.800 as you know, has exploded. And so now here we 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.040 are in twenty twenty three and there are all of 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.520 these nuances are that are being discussed for the scripted world, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.640 and rightly so, I think people in unscripted feel as 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.800 if they have been overlooked. And I do think all 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.240 of this stuff these are great conversations to have because 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:25.200 ultimately people should be treated equally and be compensated for 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:29.120 the work that they do. So now, as far as 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.520 how this will all work out, I'm still kind of 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.640 finding myself trying to understand all the moving parts. I 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.440 have the list of the ten things that she is suggesting. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.680 You've mentioned some of them. They include unscripted talent with 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.320 shows that make it to air. Minimum should be five 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.480 thousand dollars per episode. Talent should receive a ten percent 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.159 raise each season. If the show is a huge success 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.919 and ratings have increased, then it's subject to negotiation. The 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.880 talent can walk away. Talent gets ten percent of their 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:02.080 last negotiated talent fee for additional seicles. Any additional streamer 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.080 airing that season will also pay ten percent on shooting 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.880 promotional days. Talent gets a per diem of one hundred 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.880 dollars a day for series talent they've been that have 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.719 not been paid. For shows that have continued to air, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.240 they should receive five thousand dollars per season retroactively from 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.520 each distributor. Talent is not required to give any proceeds 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.320 of their business to any network or streamer. Talent should 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.080 not be prohibited from promoting special brands on their social 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.120 media so that the networks and streamers can try to 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.479 garner the income for themselves. And lastly, talent should receive 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.760 a percentage of gross proceeds from antllar EMRCH. So I 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.560 was eager to kind of talk to you about this 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.760 because you, of course are on the production part of it. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.520 Now it seems as if, thus far most of the 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.400 conversations that I'm hearing are in regard to just the talent. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:53.080 So what can you tell me about any discussions that 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:58.120 are happening in unscripted when it comes to the production 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:03.040 side of it. Are they eager to have changes made also? 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.400 And of those things? Because you also are someone who 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.320 makes a show that was interested to hear what you 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:15.320 think about some of these terms, because, as I mentioned, 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.200 the thing about unscripted is it's notoriously easier to make 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.479 than a scripted show, as one could expect, right, And 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.320 what the lay person may not understand is that typically 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.279 with unscripted contracts, you get paid the longer you're on 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:37.440 a show. So my first question is what do you 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:45.400 think about discussions with regard to unionizing compensation and also 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.600 what do you think that The second part of it 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.240 is as somebody who makes these shows about the terms 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.000 that she has suggested. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.320 So that's in two parts. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.679 Well, first starts I agree with you in the sense 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.480 of look to be a reality star is one of 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:05.320 the toughest, if not toughest job in the entertainment industry 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.760 when you think about on camera talent, right, actors, they 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.840 are able to hide behind a character, a role they play. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.600 They get to go home and not have to deal 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.080 with people judging the character. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:19.200 Right. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:25.120 An athlete, they leave everything out on the field, the court, whatever, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:26.880 right when it comes to sports, they get to go 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.400 home and no one's really judging their everyday lives because 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:31.200 they're not seeing it. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.360 Same with the actors. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.920 So when it comes to reality stars, I always felt 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:40.600 that the reality star were definitely the step children of 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:45.120 this industry, the forgotten child, if you will, and they 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.160 give the most to the show. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:54.200 Who patres rupt but stay tuned for more. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.360 VPN was named one of Time's twenty twenty two Best Inventions. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.760 If you're somebody like me who like to watch sporting events, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.720 TV shows and films which aren't available in your region, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.040 you can switch your virtual location to a country which 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:17.160 is showing the event. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.120 The other thing is they can protect your data while 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.800 you travel and while you're using public Wi Fi. 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.880 Nord VPN protects you wherever you are in the world, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.640 and you know what's better, child, Nord vpn is the 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.880 price of a cup of coffee a month. 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Let's get back into 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:45.040 the show. I'm curious what you think. I think anybody 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:49.040 in this industry who wants to be a disruptor, that's fine. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.760 I consider myself a disruptor, and by disruptor, I mean 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.319 that I go against the grain of the systemic blueprint 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.959 that was laid out before me. I applaud anybody who's 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.360 able to do that. The one thing that people are 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:08.720 having a hard time grasping Kate with the intention. What 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.760 is Bethany's intention here? Look, I don't know Bethany personally. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.880 I met her once. I had an overall deal at 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.400 this production company in Los Angeles, and Bethany also had 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.199 to deal with them too. And Bethany was accepting pitches 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.280 of ideas from the production companies who. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.719 Were a part of this bigger corporation. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:39.360 Long story short, we had a lunch meeting at the 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.400 Beverly Hills Hotel. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:47.480 In California. Everybody and she came in. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:55.000 She is everything you see on television, everything like I've spoken, energy, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:11:00.280 all of those things. What was funny about the the 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.160 meeting is she loved my idea. She said, you gave 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.400 me the best idea since I've been here. I love it, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.920 I love it, I love it. And she kept saying, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.120 do me a favor and elevate this elevated more like 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:12.839 she was talking like that. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.959 Kate elevated, elevated more. But I like this. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.000 As she was talking to one of the presidents of 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.000 the company, I like this. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.600 This is good. So I'm like, Okay, Wow, I may 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.680 actually have a show with Bethany. Long story short sister. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.160 She left that company maybe a month or two after 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.280 the meeting, so the show never came about, right, So 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:34.200 I'll have that to say. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.520 When I met her, she was very nice. She was 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:37.600 everything you saw. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:42.280 There's other people, thought Kate, who believe that she doesn't 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:47.120 do anything without getting something out of it, and they 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.160 think this reality reckoning, as she puts it, is a 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.440 way for her to give a big middle finger to 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:54.640 Andy Cohen and Bravo. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.920 What could have happened for her to feed that out 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.559 angry at Andy Cohen and one specific network though. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.960 That's the million dollar question. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.960 Now if you go down the rabbit hole on social 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:17.520 media like I do. People are saying that when Bethany 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:26.680 created her rewives podcast where Bethany, and again her words, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:34.480 a big celebrity would rewatch a Housewives episode and recap 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.439 it and talk about it, she went on Andy Cohen 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:42.040 show to promote it because Andy days prior to her 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:47.439 appearance on Watch What Happens Live, Andy did an interview 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.320 where he says something along the lines of he was 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:56.000 surprised she was doing the podcast because all she does 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:56.920 is shit talk. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:58.400 The brand. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.200 He goes on Watch What Happens Live is Andy and 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:09.280 Jeff Lewis, and Bethany has said she felt ambushed because Jeff, 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.440 as we all know, was going there when it came 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.880 to like, why are you doing this? You hate the show, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.120 you talk so much shit about it. Why are you 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.679 doing this? You don't think this is a copycat of 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.680 what the other Housewives podcast are And then Andy started 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.560 engaging in the conversation. Bethany, as you know, can defend herself, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.440 but and I thought she did a good job defending herself. However, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.120 she left that studio and said she felt ambushed and 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:40.440 she doesn't know why. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.800 Andy is mad because she's able to. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.240 Do whatever she wants because she was on Housewives, and 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.319 they believe by day, the fans, they believe that was 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.079 the first sign that there was a rook. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:02.319 In their friendship. Well, I think what you have there 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:07.200 is a notoriously independent person, right, and there's someone who 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.880 has centered their career around these shows. So of course 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.559 he's going to take offense if she leaves the show 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:20.360 and says things that are negative, right, So one I 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.840 could see both both sides of that, you know how 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.440 they both could feel. Unfortunately, I think it's the other 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.280 people around them that probably fan, the flames probably meane 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:30.440 it a lot worse, right. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.440 Oh yeah, oh yeah. And this is the tricky part. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:39.360 Bethany and Andy were very close, very close. They would 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.240 spend time in the Hamptons together and they're separate homes, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.920 of course, and you could tell they had a great relationship. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.560 I think Andy said in his book he went to 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.080 like a Bethany party, you know, after she left the show, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:58.120 and that's when he mentioned coming back to Housewives. She said, 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.360 let's talk about this, you know, in a day or 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.520 two without tons of people at my party. She mentioned 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:10.960 he went over her apartment and set her down and said, 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.400 please come back to the show. She said, you cannot 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.680 afford me, and he said, give me a number. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:17.880 She said. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.760 She gave him a number that she thought would be 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.520 like no way, Jose, and they made it work and 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.080 that's how she came back on the show. So the 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:31.160 problem is this, I believe that Bethany knows too much. 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.040 She knows how the sausage is made. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:41.120 Yes, because if you're that close with an executive who 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.760 knows what type of conversations you're having over Ramona Singer's 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.000 Pano Grigio. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.520 Well, I think that that's why Andy. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.960 I mean, I don't know Andy personally, but from things 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.640 he said, he doesn't really have friendships with them. I 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.360 mean text messaging is one thing, but like they come 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.200 over to his own home, they know deep and personal things. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.000 You've got to set a boundary because I think there 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.720 has to be some sort of line there. I don't 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.480 think you could be on a show as a housewife 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.560 and then be privy to conversations and then go back 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.200 right back into the den, you know, because it puts 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.840 you an unfair advantage with the other cast And I 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.400 presume that probably is what happened once she went back. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.880 It creates friction, as you would I would assume you 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.680 have had to deal with in the past, not on 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.440 just one show but others. But if there's another cast 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.560 member that feels like they're in bed so to speak 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.800 with the network or the producers or any contact at 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.800 the network, that there is a power dynamic that is unfair. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.480 So I think it probably was a recipe for disaster 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.200 for her to go back. But I can also see 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:57.160 why he felt offended if she said anything negative. He's like, 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.480 I did everything I good to bring you back. And 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.880 also this is a big, huge part of my career 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:05.919 and you're like shitting on it. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.520 So I don't know. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.840 I think I can see all sides of it. I 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:15.000 think the problem is you can't really in this industry. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.840 I would assume it's too difficult to have a deep 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.639 friendship with someone when there's a power dynamic, like someone 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.280 is in the network and you are a cast member, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.240 like I just probably, I think it's probably impossible. 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.840 Oh, it absolutely is, because, like you said, the power dynamic, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:34.879 I mean we talk about that based on the me 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:40.240 too movement and relationships that you know, women who may 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.040 have with these powerful male executives, that the power dynamic 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:48.360 may be an issue in terms of having an office romance, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:49.919 that you have to look at it deeper than just 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.600 we're attracted to each other. So I do think you're 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.159 right in the sense of, look, is it fun to 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.080 like hang out with a network exec? 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.680 Absolutely? Absolutely, But does. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.240 That mean in your mind you think you two are 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:11.840 closer than what it appears? 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Let's get back into the show. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.800 I don't understand the. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.400 Goal. I mean, I think the end goal obviously. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.040 Once again, she says she wants to call it the 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.960 Bethany clause. So she wants to eradicate all of this, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.920 in her words, old school traditions and add new to it, 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.720 but she wants it to be called the Bethany clause. 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.680 Well, I'll tell you, like I said, I think with 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.000 a lot of things, some good could come out of it, 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.000 some of the terms that she puts out here with 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.879 regard to how talent should be compensated, etc. One of 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:35.480 the good things that I think can come out of 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.880 this is it now that people are kind of more 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:43.119 privy to the commitment, the sacrifice you make if you 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.000 want to be a reality star. Is that a lot 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:47.800 of people that get caught up in I want to 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.919 be famous, maybe this is the escalator to success that 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.560 I want to be the face of something. I want 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.480 to be an influencer, but I don't want to make 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.960 content for two years with the hopes that somebody will 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.919 find me and if I'm on a reality show, this 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.080 is what's going to work, because it certainly has work 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:10.439 for many people. But I think that raising all of 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:15.200 this discussion will make them possibly rethink what it really 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.680 takes to be a reality star. And I thought about 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.520 this a lot listening to her interviews with Rachel. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.280 The artist Pumbing None. That's Brakale. 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:25.840 I have to say this. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.880 I think if anybody wants to be a reality star, 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.200 they need to think about this. If you are going 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.679 to consider it, you must do a couple things. You 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.760 have to have long conversations with the production company and 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.439 the people that want you to be part of the 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.840 show about the direction of the show and why they 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.320 think you are a good fit. You have to have 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.280 a great entertainment lawyer who will go through your contract 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:53.639 with a fine tooth comb. Don't be quick to sign 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.560 a contract because you so badly just want to use 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.359 it as an opportunity to become famous or as a 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:01.920 stepping stone to something else. 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.840 Really look through the language of the contract. That's really important. 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.679 Have people in your life who are not going to 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:14.199 be sick evinced, people who are going to tell you 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.920 the truth about the monster that you may or may 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.119 not become. That this is not going to be the 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.320 center of your life. There was a life before this, 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.359 there will be a life after that. You have to 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:29.280 have a good set of a sense of who you 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.480 are in the direction you want to go in the world, 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.399 and make peace with the fact that this may not 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:40.359 be what you think it is. In other words, you 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.520 are joining whatever show. It may be a dating show, 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.720 an ensemble show, or a competition show. And you may 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:53.320 have these unrealistic expectations of how famous you're going to 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.960 be and how much money you're going to make, because 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.320 there are very few people Bethany is one of them 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:05.119 who really make quite a bit of money, become household names, 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.520 and use it to create all these opportunities. So have 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:14.840 realistic expectations and finally have some sort of plan in place, 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.360 with the help of maybe a business manager, an accountant, 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.400 or whatever it may be, to figure out how are 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.959 you going to use this to do other things? Because 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:29.879 if your goal is to just become the greatest star 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.040 of XYZ, there are other people waiting in a line, 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.960 a very long line behind you, and you're expendable. So 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.360 is funny, as your family and friends tell you you are, 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.639 there is someone right around the corner that can replace you. 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:46.800 And make peace with that. So you have to have 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.240 some sort of plan what are you going to do 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.719 with this opportunity. So if you don't have all of 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.560 those things in line, you should not be on a 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:59.800 reality show. And I thought also of that interview that 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:03.320 she with Rachel is that Rachel was not cut out 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:04.880 ever to be a reality star. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:06.240 There are very. 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.520 Few people meeting. You've got to be honest with yourself. 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.959 Do you have thick skin or not? I think somebody 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:13.920 like La La Kent has very thick skin. 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:15.119 Yes. 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.960 I think a lot of housewives have very thick skin. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:18.879 Yes. 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.840 However, Rachel said in the interview, in the first part 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:25.240 of it. 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:25.199 It struck me. 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.760 She said, I'm someone who has always struggled with social 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.920 anxiety and judgment. Why are you on a reality show? 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.120 This was some She was a woman who had been 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:37.679 in pageants. She pursued a relationship with a guy on 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.560 a reality show. She pursued the relationship in order to 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:43.879 get access to other people in the reality show with 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:47.360 the hope of being on a reality show. And if 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:53.320 you do not have the mental strength to handle what 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.879