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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King.

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Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and

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Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality

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Speaker 2: television with over ten years of production experience. Once a

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Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with

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Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows,

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Speaker 2: and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and

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Speaker 2: tweeting about me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drops, yahs.

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Speaker 2: On today's Reality with the King episode, I am reunited

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Speaker 2: with my friend, my girl fan favorite the rain Drops

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Speaker 2: love her. Yes, I'm talking about see Amazing Kase. We

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Speaker 2: have to do a deep dive into the Bethany Verses

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Speaker 2: Bravo Saga in addition to and My Bethany Boys, the

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Speaker 2: number one worldwide podcast in the world. Her interview with

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Speaker 2: the artists formerly known as ray Quel, Rachel and the

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Speaker 2: backlash she received.

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Speaker 1: So let's get started.

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Speaker 2: Bethany Frankel, a former Real Housewives of New York City housewife,

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Speaker 2: a former pal of Andy Cohen, allegedly has taken upon

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Speaker 2: herself to hire two high powered attorneys and what she

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Speaker 2: is calling reality reckoning, which means she is as of

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Speaker 2: now focusing on NBC Universal slash Bravo. In terms of

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Speaker 2: getting the reality stars, what she feels like is they

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Speaker 2: just do everything from She wants them compensated for using merchandise.

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Speaker 2: She wants them to have some of the same rights

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Speaker 2: as a sac after union workers. In addition to she

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Speaker 2: wants them to get higher pay, and she also wants

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Speaker 2: them which I was like, ooh girl, Bethany, what are

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Speaker 2: we doing sis? She also wants retroactive pay for these

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Speaker 2: reality stars and some of the things that her and

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Speaker 2: her turnings are alleging is out of this world. But

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Speaker 2: before we get into the documents, when you first heard

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Speaker 2: about this, Kate, what was your reaction.

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Speaker 3: I think of myself as a very measured person. I

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Speaker 3: like to have all of the information before I kind

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Speaker 3: asking some of the questions about it too, because I

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Speaker 3: think for the lay person it can be a little

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Speaker 3: in this strike discussion talks even that pre date this year.

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Speaker 3: For context, people should understand that reality shows really exploded

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Speaker 3: really was a reality explosion because those shows were easier

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Speaker 3: and rightly so, I think people in unscripted feel as

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Speaker 3: You've mentioned some of them. They include unscripted talent with

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Speaker 3: talent can walk away. Talent gets ten percent of their

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Speaker 2: Well, first starts I agree with you in the sense

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Speaker 2: So when it comes to reality stars, I always felt

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Speaker 2: having a hard time grasping Kate with the intention. What

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Speaker 2: is Bethany's intention here? Look, I don't know Bethany personally.

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Speaker 2: Long story short, we had a lunch meeting at the

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Speaker 1: In California. Everybody and she came in.

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Speaker 2: She is everything you see on television, everything like I've spoken, energy,

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Speaker 1: Kate elevated, elevated more. But I like this.

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Speaker 1: This is good. So I'm like, Okay, Wow, I may

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Speaker 1: When I met her, she was very nice. She was

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Speaker 3: In their friendship. Well, I think what you have there

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Speaker 2: I don't understand the.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a really really hard hard thing.

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Speaker 1: It's very hard. It's very hard.

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Speaker 2: And no, you're right, if you are socially awkward and

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Speaker 1: It's an intense program.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned somebody who says I have a fear of

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Speaker 2: You can't survive on the island of the Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: And that's the reason why.

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Speaker 2: You know, as somebody who hire reality stars to be

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Speaker 2: Some appear they can, and after the first season, no

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Speaker 2: I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. The

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Speaker 2: artist formerly known as Raquel Rachel. She said on Bethany's

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Speaker 2: podcast that well, not only she mentioned this, Alex Baskin,

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Speaker 2: the executive producer of vand the Pump Rules, who I

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Speaker 2: know is in front of yours. Kate Rachel and Alex

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Speaker 2: did confirm separately that the show Vanda Pump Rules was

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Speaker 2: on the verge of cancelation before scanned.

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Speaker 3: Of all, he said on my show too, for people

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Speaker 3: that don't watch the show, I think that the reason

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Speaker 3: that it exploded this year was because it reminds a

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Speaker 3: lot of older people, older older than twenty five, of

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Speaker 3: the time in their life where they had less responsibilities. Right,

501
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: you could just go out all night, maybe you worked.

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Speaker 1: At a bar.

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Speaker 3: So obviously a lot of women enjoyed The Bachelor and

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Speaker 3: Real Housewives, but in my experience, a lot of men

505
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Speaker 3: will say to me, oh, I love Vanner Pump Roules.

506
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Speaker 3: It's a show that couples can watch, that friends can

507
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Speaker 3: watch and all text each other. It's both men and

508
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Speaker 3: women watch it. I think they were so struck by

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Speaker 3: this because Rachel up At had this at this point,

510
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Speaker 3: had seemed like a like a like a very kind hearted,

511
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Speaker 3: sweet and gentle person. And I think the audience felt

512
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Speaker 3: had that they were scammed by her because he or

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Speaker 3: she was carrying on this affair with a very close

514
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Speaker 3: friend someone argued, best friend with her partner. And I

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Speaker 3: think that struck a lot of the audience. They probably

516
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: have known someone or been cheated on, and so they

517
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Speaker 3: have this visceral reaction to that. And then the last

518
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Speaker 3: layer of it is you're watching it all or not

519
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Speaker 3: all unfold, but part of it unfold. Because basically the

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Speaker 3: affair wasn't revealed until well after they had finished filming,

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Speaker 3: so a lot of the grievances that have come up

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Speaker 3: those were things that were filmed or were not filmed.

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Speaker 3: They were off camera, So in going back and watching

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Speaker 3: the footage, people can see that there's this menacing quality

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Speaker 3: to her, Like there's this one scene where she's asking

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Speaker 3: Arianna about the level of intimacy she has with Tom

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Speaker 3: and you know now as a viewer, that she's sleeping

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Speaker 3: with them the whole time, and that, I'm sorry, is

529
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Speaker 3: a diabolical thing. That's diabolical to ask a woman about

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Speaker 3: the level of intimacy that she's sharing with the man

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Speaker 3: she's with and you're secretly sleeping with him. So that

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Speaker 3: is why people went bananas this season watching it because.

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Speaker 4: Of those two things.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, a lot of us that has been said,

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Speaker 3: like why wasn't this coboard or a lot of the

536
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: stuff that was happening happened after they had filmed. All

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00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: the story coming out about the affair happened after they

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Speaker 3: finished filming. So then they got the cameras back up

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Speaker 3: and they filed for a film for a little bit

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Speaker 3: to kind of tie the story with a loose end

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Speaker 3: and then they had their reunion. Yeah, so that is

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Speaker 3: why people got so caught up in all of this.

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Speaker 3: And now she said in the interview too, she was

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Speaker 3: very frustrated that they had all had monetized. But again,

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Speaker 3: this is the nature of a very brutal entertainment industry,

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Speaker 3: and this is true for scripted too, is that you

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Speaker 3: have to strike the iron while it's hot. Right, So

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Speaker 3: when this all happened, she went to a mental health facility,

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Speaker 3: which I applaud her for. I thought that was the

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Speaker 3: right decision to make, and a lot of them the

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Speaker 3: show was airing, and so they struck the iron while

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Speaker 3: it's hot. They had merchandise things done to kind of

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Speaker 3: make money for themselves. So now she's left the facility

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Speaker 3: and she's frustrated that they made all this money. Well,

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Speaker 3: I think that what she should have done is weighted year,

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Speaker 3: if not more, to do any interviews, to have gone

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Speaker 3: off the grid, gone back into a career that she

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Speaker 3: was interested in before. I know that she had studied kinesiology.

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Speaker 3: She talked about wanting to be an occupational therapist for children,

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Speaker 3: specifically in pediatrics. That is fantastic, gone and done, that

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Speaker 3: got off television, because in my experience, the most interesting

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Speaker 3: interviews are people that have had some sort of life

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Speaker 3: experience outside of television got far more centered and then

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Speaker 3: they have much more interest like introspection and insight not

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Speaker 3: only just about who they are, but how they participated

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Speaker 3: in this moment in television. Right, But she didn't give

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Speaker 3: herself much space to do that. I'm and I worry

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Speaker 3: that she's sort of lost her voice in this because

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Speaker 3: I don't know when she's going to have some time

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Speaker 3: and space to really think about how she participated in

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Speaker 3: this crazy story. And now she had mentioned she wants

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Speaker 3: to do a podcast, and she thinks that there's this

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Speaker 3: on top market of the of people telling the story

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Speaker 3: of like what it's like to be the other woman?

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Speaker 3: Now you're branding yourself. Would you want to walk away

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Speaker 3: from that after this?

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Speaker 1: And that's a thing. Let me go backwards a bit.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody is meant to host a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ray, Rachel. I'm sorry, Rachel, I love you.

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Speaker 2: You're nobody's host, and it's fine, and it's like, that's

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Speaker 2: number one. You don't need to host anything, girl, So

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Speaker 2: let's not do a podcast, my sweetpee.

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Speaker 1: That's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two You're right, Kate, Why would you if all

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Speaker 2: of this has traumatized you? And I believe it has.

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Speaker 2: I believe it has one hundred percent. You can look

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Speaker 2: at her eyes and till it's traumatizing. You can't continue

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Speaker 2: taking the drug that has caused you to be put

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Speaker 2: in rehab. You just you have to be so to

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Speaker 2: walk away and be sober from it. So the drug

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Speaker 2: is the stamp that's on your back, essentially.

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Speaker 1: Which is the other woman. Why talk about it?

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Speaker 2: All that is going to do is remind you every

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Speaker 2: time you talk to somebody of the scandal situation.

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Speaker 4: So she had two decisions.

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Speaker 3: You could either not go to a mental health facility

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Speaker 3: and you can make merchandise that say you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: a mistress or whatever, But like, don't you want to

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Speaker 3: move on from that?

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Speaker 2: Bethany received a lot of back lad from her interview

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Speaker 2: with Rachel. These people k are reading Bethany for filth.

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Speaker 2: They're saying, you talk about exploitation. You exploited Rachel all

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Speaker 2: over again. You did not compensate her for the interview,

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Speaker 2: You did not do your research watching the show.

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Speaker 1: You talked over her the.

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Speaker 2: Entire time, and a lot of people weren't into it.

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Speaker 2: Bethany clapped back and said, all you haters, whatever, I

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Speaker 2: have the number one worldwide podcast in the world, and

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Speaker 2: you guys are just jealous. How do you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing for Rachel? You guys don't know. But

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Speaker 2: I love engagement. What are your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think she cares what I think or anyone

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Speaker 4: else think. So who cares?

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Speaker 1: Well? I care Kate Casey, and so does my rain drops.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, I would hope that people appreciate that

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Speaker 3: when I interview them, I do the work and I

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Speaker 3: watch the show, and I've really invest myself in their

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Speaker 3: personal stories.

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Speaker 1: Drop Mike, I mean Mike, drop, Mike drop.

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Speaker 2: And I will also add to that to Kate, you

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Speaker 2: actually are invested.

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Speaker 1: In the subject matter.

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Speaker 2: You actually you want to know, you want to get

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Speaker 2: into the psyche of your subjects, and really walk away

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Speaker 2: saying I learned something after this interview and when it

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Speaker 2: came to Rachel. Look, I have not yet listened to

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Speaker 2: the three part conversation because I listened to Bethany and

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Speaker 2: Jail reunion conversation and Bethany was over talking Jill the

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Speaker 2: whole time, and I had to no, Shay, turn it off.

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Speaker 2: But you know, for Rachel, I just couldn't stop maach

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Speaker 2: another over talking conversation.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Casey, Well, I think there's something to it. I did,

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Speaker 3: but I think there's something about Bethany. You know, Listen,

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Speaker 3: everybody gets to choose who they want to interview them

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Speaker 3: and I think that it sounds as if Rachel's mother,

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Speaker 3: who has a huge influence in her life, has felt

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Speaker 3: a connection to Bethany. And I think that's everyone as

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Speaker 3: a prerogative about who they want to interview. So that's

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Speaker 3: the great thing about having a million different shows and

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Speaker 3: a million different hosts. I hope that she felt like

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Speaker 3: her story was told in the way that she wanted

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Speaker 3: it to be told. And like I said, my advice

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Speaker 3: would be for her to have waited and to waited

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Speaker 3: for a year if she wants to wait a year.

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Speaker 3: Some of the questions I would like to ask her

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Speaker 3: are about why she even pursued being in pageants, because

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Speaker 3: I think if you start there, you can really start

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Speaker 3: to unravel it and get to the heart of it.

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Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right about that.

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Speaker 2: So look, it remains to be seen what the outcome

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Speaker 2: is going to be. With Bethany's Reality Reckoning and one

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Speaker 2: thing for Sure in my Lisa Rena boys, you better.

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Speaker 1: Believe k and I are going to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Kate for coming on the program I love

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Speaker 2: and let the world know where they can find you,

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Speaker 2: Follow you and support your top podcast.

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