WEBVTT - AI: The Future of Cruising? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.840 Hey, viewers, Sniffy's Cruising Confessions is an explicit podcast about 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:08.160 queer sex. Filter dirty words and unfiltered descriptions of sexual activities. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.400 If hearing about orgies, anonymous sex, kink, fetish, and more 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.960 offends your sensibilities, you might want to skip this Viewer 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.920 discretion is advised. It's definitely not for kids. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.439 Put your pussy up, put your put your pussy up. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.040 Put your pussy U put put your pussy up. 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.520 Welcome to Sniffy's Cruising Confessions. I'm Gabeln Saez and I'm 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:31.560 Christottas and Rosso. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.640 Each week we explore the sublime world of queer sex, cruising, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:35.560 and relationships. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.680 We talk to queer folks of all kinds. We'll ask 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.199 some questions, swap. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.680 Sex stories, share intimate revelations, and provide practical advice that. 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:43.680 You can use at home. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.479 Put joy, put jo, pussy put job, put put job, 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:49.320 put jo. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.720 Okay, we are kicking off season three. It's happening. We're here. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.360 Apparently y'all wanted more of us, so here we are. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.120 Yeah, we got a refractory time down. We really going 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.440 to turn around the next season, real quick, up, get 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:03.680 it hard, let's score. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.280 All over, so like a try mixed situation. I didn't 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.840 say anything about injecting. Oh well, okay, we are very 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:10.800 very excited to be back. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:12.120 This season is going to be hot. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.039 I mean, the guests that we have coming up, the 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.800 topics we're talking about, I'm really excited to share them 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:17.240 all with you. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.360 All right, So, Chris so Gay, I need your help here. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:22.960 We're going to reveal the topic of today's episode, but 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.399 I need you to fill in the blank. All right. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.480 If there's one thing we are the most sick of 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.679 hearing about in twenty twenty five, it is Trump close, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.319 very close, good response, but not what I was looking for. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.119 Okay, La Boo Boo's also a. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.600 Very good response, very good entry in the competition, but 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:38.759 also not what I was looking for. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:39.960 Then it must be AI. 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:45.600 It is absolutely AI, a topic I hate hearing about, 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:46.880 don't want to talk about. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.280 But here we are, But here we are. What are 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.080 your thoughts? What are my thoughts? Yeah, my thoughts on AI? 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:54.280 What are my thoughts? 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.680 I became radicalized during the WJA strikes when I started 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.600 learning a lot about AI, and we saw a lot 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.560 of people in creative fields or in charge of corporations 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.200 that were you know, running creative industries trying to use 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.880 AI to replace writers, Yes, to replace actors, to take actors' faces, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.359 Oh for sure, content. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.840 Like you want to use my image and perpetuity. No, 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.560 we're not going to be doing that. And then now 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.840 as we start to know more about these massive data 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.880 centers and their environmental impacts, like, I'm starting to understand that, like, 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.399 although it is helping people in some ways make their 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.120 lives easier, it's also having huge, huge, huge impacts, And like, 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.200 I'm grateful that we're getting in to have a conversation 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.760 about it here today and sort of get some of 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.800 those facts out and sort of learn more. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.359 There are a growing number of people every day using 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.240 specifically generative AI, right, we're talking about image or text 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.640 generators as well as chatbots. But just because people are 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.800 using it a lot doesn't mean we shouldn't interrogate how 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.040 it is impacting us now or it might in the future, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.640 especially when it comes to the use of generative AI 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.000 for porn or rotic content, even a sense of campaign 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.320 and ship if if you want to call it that. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.200 For the past two seasons of Sniffy's Cruising Confessions, we 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.600 spend a lot of time exploring good old fashioned cruising. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.239 If you're a devoted listener, you definitely remember our favorite 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.720 cruising expert, Leojdia from our Cruising one on one episode. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.600 Leo literally wrote the book on analog cruising, and that 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:16.720 became a pretty viral hit. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.240 But for the past few years, Leo has also explored 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.880 the intersection of sex and technology in his substack career works. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.120 So today he is going to be joining us to 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.880 talk about what he's learned, the studying and quite literally 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.120 feeling his way through this highly controversial topic, and we're 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.920 going to talk about whether AI, porn, AI chatbots, and 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.400 hyper realistic sex storys are actually the future of cruising. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.960 Welcome back to Snippy's Cruising Confessions, Leo Herrera. Now, Leo, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:45.600 the last time you were here, you were telling us 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.840 to put our phones down and start cruising in real life, right, 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.880 and now you're here, you'll talk to us about AI. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.720 What happened? What was the shift? 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.040 I don't think there is a shift. I think we 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.960 have to look at queer sex holistically. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:03:59.160 Like all of it. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.119 Okay, part of my research with analog cruising was understanding 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.040 how it had been done for so long and the 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.560 idea that queer people are incredible at using a lot 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.000 of different tools for sex, and we had sort of 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:16.200 forgotten that we had these huge arsenals of analog tools before, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.320 and we were so concentrated on the digital tools. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.040 And so while I was actually writing the Cruising. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:27.960 Manual Analog Cruising dot Com, I was also interested in 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.960 how AI and generative AI was going to shift our sexuality. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.839 And I started writing about AI porn in twenty twenty 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.839 two when we were still sort of treating AI images 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.880 as sort of like this parlor trick or this fad 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:40.520 that was just going. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:40.960 To go away. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.640 And what I realized really early on in the first 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.240 iterations of Dolly, for example, is that people were going 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.600 to start using it for porn. And that's what humans do, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.520 is we use technology for fucking. It's one of the 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.400 first things we always do. That's the first thing we 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.640 did with the Internet and chat rooms and CGI and animation. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.440 So that was really fascinating to me, and that's how 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.800 I started researching it. These things have been written about 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.120 in sci fi books for like one hundred years, and 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.240 it's really interesting how a lot of things have changed 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.120 in the space of AI imagery and where we're at 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.159 now and how we're still not talking about it, and 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.080 all of a sudden you get a study that's like 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.440 seventy five percent of kids now have an AI companion, 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.760 and those are the kids that we're going to have 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:29.520 to deal with in space. We're going to be like 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.960 older guys and we're going to have to see these 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.279 kids at a bar and we're going to be like, oh, 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.680 you were raising synthetic companionships. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.200 Yeah, they TikTok. Kids are bad enough, exactly. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:42.320 Exactly. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.760 I mean, Jen Alpha is having full on relationships with 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:50.120 synthetic companions, and so that's what's going to train their sexuality. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.200 That's so scary. I'm curious. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.039 So you've talked about how these things have been written 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:55.919 about in sci fi for a long time, and I 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.600 think we look towards sci fi media, books and television 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.160 and films to kind of shape our idea of what 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.120 the future will look like. And one of the first 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.720 examples I can think of reading about AI or some 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:08.839 sort of AI and sci fi is Isaac Asimov, who 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.599 like was very much warning us, Right, it's sort of 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.040 a cautionary tale, right, These robots are hot and intelligent, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.960 and very strong and they might fucking kill you, which 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.120 for some people might be really hot. But I'm curious, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.320 what was the first kind of sci fi you encountered 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:28.160 that kind of like triggered your imagination or curiosity about 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.880 what synthetic sex or AI might look like. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.200 In the future. Did you see the movie Strange Days? 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:34.719 No? 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:35.120 No? 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:35.680 Really? 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:36.120 No? 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.120 Oh so good. It's got Angela Bassid in it. 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:39.000 Oh work. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.920 It takes place in the near future and people wear 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.479 these VR headsets where they can relive memories, and a 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.919 lot of it deals with them reliving sexual memories. So 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:51.760 that was the first thing that I saw that I 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.679 was like, oh, and I think it's like nineteen ninety seven. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.760 A lot of the anxieties of the time were because 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.200 the Internet was going to come and change everything and 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.920 ruin everything thing and a lot of the stuff that 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.200 we thought was going to be the best parts about 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:05.719 it turned out to be the worst parts about it, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.080 because it was supposed to connect us and we were 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.320 all going to get along and it was going to 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.160 be this utopia and that didn't happen. But it also 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.000 did a lot of fantastic things. So it's interesting that 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.200 that media is using the anxieties of the age, and 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.560 now we're again in this place thirty years later, and 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.600 we're dealing with the same anxieties and we're sort of 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.880 reacting to it the same way. When I talk about 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.160 these things online and my social media, it's the only 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.360 time people get furious at me. Some people feel like 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.360 I'm betraying something, or I get these like what's yours? 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:36.160 Your integrity? 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.200 You're hiding behind reporting like it's such a visceral anger 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.160 and a visceral reaction, which only makes me want to 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.520 report about it more because we're having such an emotional, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.560 sometimes hysterical reaction to these things. And what that's really 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.239 telling me is that that anger is coming from a really, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.960 really deep seated fear, and so when you combine that 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.440 with sex, it can have really really volatile consequences. And 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.520 if we're not paying attention to it, then we're not 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.680 going to see it coming. And one of the things 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.280 that I've learned through so long of reporting on these 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.520 things is that we really in order to understand the 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.680 real dangers of technology, we first have to understand what 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.280 the pleasures are, Why are people using them? 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.600 Why did we use apps? To begin with? Apps are 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:19.280 never my thing. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.120 But when I studied how grinder works and how social 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.680 media works, that's why I understood that we were going 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.320 to have a reaction toward analog cruising again, which is 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.320 why I started writing that book, Analog Cruising dot Com. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:31.160 And so. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.840 We really have to look at it holistically because also historically, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.680 queer people have used technology before anybody else for connection 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:40.760 and for intimacy. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.359 So in a way, there's a lot of ways. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.280 That this technology can sort of be queered and that's 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:46.320 what's really interesting to me. 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.400 And why do you think that we are on the 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.560 forefront of using technology in that. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.319 Way, Because we've always had to use the most available 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.520 technology to communicate with each other subtly, So whether it 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.840 was codes on the back of a photograph or the 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.880 classifieds or AOL chat rooms, there would have been no 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.600 Facebook without like planet out in gay dot com, like 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.920 we had the first online profiles to meet with each other. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.600 So we're always at the forefront of those things. And 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.480 at some point we're going to have to figure out 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.760 how we incorporate that technology into our own queerness, because 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.160 otherwise these tech lords are going to be very excited 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.080 to do it for us and to just give us 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.560 an AI wingman. You know, you're going to be logging 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.200 into grinder at some point you're not going to know 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.080 who's a real person anymore. And these tech guys are 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:37.360 narcissists and they're ketaminetics, and they would be fine to 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.959 replace people completely. So it's going to be up to 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.880 us to figure out where's the reality inside of that. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.360 Yeah, it's really interesting because there's a curiosity, but you 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.880 also have to be very honest about the risks and 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.280 the impact it's having. And I think, like you said, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.440 you can't see these risks coming if you don't talk 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.160 about it, Like, we kind of have to be honest 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.720 about where we are now if we want to prepare. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:09:59.319 Ourselves for the future. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.760 For sure, there's a connection with the pandemic in terms 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.920 of like a shift. I saw it imporn in sexual habits, 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.360 and we've talked about this on the series. Right, I 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.400 think the pandemic led to an explosion, if you will, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.120 culture right, a lot of exploring. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.040 Kings and fetishes like that. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.880 I'm wondering if you see a connection between those things 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.480 and the rise of these new either sex toys or 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:23.680 these AI companions. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:24.360 Oh. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.560 Absolutely, I mean I think the pandemic shifted our thinking 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.359 in the way that we see sexuality in a horrible way. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:32.920 And also in a really interesting way. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.600 So, for example, in terms of the synthetic companions, the 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:40.559 pandemic got us really used to having very intimate. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:41.880 Moments through FaceTime, you know. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.520 Like we got used to in a really dark way. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.000 We got used to seeing funerals and people dying through 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.960 a screen. So if you're able to process that, then 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.240 jerking off through a screen with a robot isn't that 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.840 huge of a skit. Because it allowed us for our 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.600 brains to get used to the artificiality of some stuff 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.360 that was only very actile for us. It also increased 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.080 the sales of sex toys by I think like fifty 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.920 percent for some of them, a huge increase of them. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.680 It was a really interesting coincidence that a lot of 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.040 those toys got a lot cheaper during the pandemic when 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.240 we also had that pandemic money money. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.840 That money that pandemic. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.160 Five hundred I was like six hundred dollars for a 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:27.040 sex tour souse. A lot of toys were used to 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.520 be made with silicone, which was really really expensive, and 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.560 about ten years ago this material called thermoplastic elostomer. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:34.880 I hope I pronounced that right. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:35.640 I love her. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:40.760 She's a great She's a great drag creanyalyps assassin. It's 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.640 a softer material, so it's kind of like it's softer 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.520 than silicone. It doesn't last as long, but it's very realistic. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:52.160 It holds heat. We sort of grew up around the 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.880 real sex HBO era where you would see those big 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.079 sex dolls and they were ten thousand dollars. Fifteen thousand dollars. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.559 Are customizable those so much cheaper, they're like two thousand dollars. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.040 In straight culture, the in cells. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.480 Have been using this stuff for a really long time, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.240 but something about the pandemic made them a little bit 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.520 more socially acceptable for men to have. In terms of 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.320 gay culture, they haven't quite made the right males one 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.920 because we require different kind of movement and different kind 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.680 of ourphices. But that's on the way now. So like 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:28.280 dildos that were triple sheath silicone that were six hundred 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.560 dollars one thousand dollars from reeal Dollar are now two 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.160 hundred dollars one hundred dollars and they're all hand painted. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.960 I don't know what kind of sweatshops they're using, and honestly, 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.319 I don't want to know, but those are becoming more available. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.560 So you're seeing AI porn, you're seeing AI chatbots, and 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.600 you're seeing sexual prosthetics become more available to people, and 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.440 those things are sort of all forming into one thing, 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.840 which is a sexu robot. So one of the things 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.920 that I've been writing about is how we are witnessing 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.800 in real time time the creation of that fabled sexual 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.280 abat that we've been writing about in sci fi for 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.920 one hundred years. And those things are not new. Sailors 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.280 used to shove straw inside of their clothes and make 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:14.319 sex dolls. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.680 During long voyages. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.040 They were called doms de voyage, and so these aren't 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.560 new impulses. They're just having technology that's never been to 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.640 this level of realism in human history before. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.360 Yeah, it's like we see the guy fuck the pumpkin 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.360 every Halloween, but like, now you know what, Now the 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.640 pumpkin can talk back exactly, Now the pumpkin can fuck back. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:39.440 Yes, Oh god, No, I want to talk. 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.440 A little bit about the AI imaging because I know 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.720 we've got these like three big temple things we're talking about, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.640 right The generative AI, the A companions and the sex toys. Well, 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:52.040 we're finding out is a lot of these generative AI tools, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:53.880 if you want to call them, that are scraping the 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.120 Internet and using copyrighted material or images of folks to 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.560 create erotic images without their consent, which is causing a 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.480 slew of like legal and ethical issues. So of these 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.600 lawsuits are like still happening. What is AI porn like now? 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:13.319 And are there ways where we can confront non ethical 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.559 uses of AI porn while still indulging and exploring in it? 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.680 Like how do we reconcile these things? 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.040 I don't know if reconciliation is going to be something 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.120 that we're going to completely achieve because we haven't even 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:25.360 reconciled the internet, right. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.480 Sure, they're still working in a while. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:33.360 It didn't bring us closer together, but I think understanding 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.200 how the images are made as part of it. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.560 So at the beginning they were only trained on. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.080 A small subset of images, and now they're trained on 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:42.280 billions of images. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.680 So it's really they're not copying and pasting. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.160 They're really kind of taking statistical echoes of things, right, 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.040 So it's almost like a painter who has seen all 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.920 the remorants and is painting their own remorant, so. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.240 That's why some of them look terrible. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.320 There's so many dangers to that as well, because now 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.720 I could you know, there's a million images of Scarlet Johansson, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:08.040 which is why she's a very popular porn deep fake issue. 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:08.720 Yeah. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.880 Also, you know, you can give it a bunch of 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.320 images of your neighbor and then you could see your 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.600 neighbor naked. So there's all sorts of nefarious uses that 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.040 are going to be really really stressful for people, especially 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.480 right now. And then at the same time, what happened 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.480 about a year and a half ago is that a 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.720 lot of those image databases kind of exploded. And then 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.680 of course the nerds, the horny nerds always they figured 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.160 out all these plugins and all these ways to create 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.480 super hyperrealistic images that are of kind of nobody. They're 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.680 just sort of shadows of people. You can use them 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.960 for deep fakes, and you can use them for terrible stuff. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.040 But that's also sort of in the same way that 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.920 you could put a camera in a bathroom. Like, people 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.480 are always going to figure out really unethical, violating, illegal 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.440 ways to use the technology. But so what are the 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:04.680 possibility is what's interesting to me as well, because those 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.520 things are going to need regulation. Right there's already court 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.000 cases about synthetic child imagery. It's really always important when 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.120 speaking about this that we acknowledge that this kind of 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.440 technology will endanger women and children first. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.440 It always has. What's interesting me as a queer man 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.800 is like, okay, so where is the queering of this technology. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.640 One of the things that's really interesting is the new 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.000 genres that I'm seeing that I'm covering in my sub stack, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.520 where it's like things that were impossible to shoot in 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.400 real life before, so naked people fucking at an airport 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.560 or at a police station or at a crowded grocery store. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.720 Or a new genre that I'm seeing a lot more 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.520 is like giant porn, which was always a genre before. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.600 Giant porn, like macrophelia where you're turned on by a 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.280 gigantic man the size of a building, or. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:53.800 Like you get shrunk in and you crawl into the 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.280 get like that episode of The Boys. Yea. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.240 So those kind of fantasy genres are really interesting because 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.640 I would go into the so I was like, I'm 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.280 not into macrophilia myself, but of course some of the 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:10.600 girls are and the. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.800 Girls also the girls left their macrophilia. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.240 And uh, before it was kind of adorable, it would 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.000 be like really bad photoshop or like I saw like 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.439 shooting like a foot with like tiny little dolls stuck too, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:24.600 little plastic. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:25.760 Dolls, and I was like, oh, you guys are getting 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:26.439 off on these. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.240 But all of a sudden, now you have this photorealistic 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.639 image of a giant man fucking the Empire state building. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.280 Yeah, that's not what I'm into. But if I was, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:36.760 all of. 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.040 A sudden, it'd be like you would be, oh, and 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.080 that's gonna be a video in a year, you know. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.520 So it is creating these different alternate universes that are 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.080 really really fascinating to me. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.200 But what are the ramifications of that? 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:50.680 Yeah? 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:51.400 Who knows? 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.399 I wonder pit collectors right to people who love to 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.040 collect girl pictures of it, like, now what are they 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.399 now capable of doing once they have your pictures? I'm like, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.920 are someone out here making AI porn with my images 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.639 that I'm sending them from my locked album? 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:08.840 Probably? 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.360 Like that is going to be a thing that we're 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.679 going to have to reckon with. So then what'll be 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.400 able to I don't know what happens. That's why we're 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.760 having this conversation. So it's like if people that are 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.760 ten years younger than us, if they grow up in 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.119 a world where they went to high school and they 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.560 all use newdify apps, which they're using now since twenty 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.000 twenty three, they have created huge problems for schools because 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.760 these books, because a NEWIFI app is like you put 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.080 in a photo of a girl and it just like 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.960 takes her top off because it could just do that. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.000 Now it's like it's not her top, right, Yeah, yes, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.320 it's like an AI generated her. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.840 But if these tools get stronger, which we know they will, 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.479 you'll be able to just enter anybody and the AI 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.199