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Speaker 1: I mentioned Brandon Russell because they're kind of what put

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Speaker 1: Adam Woffen was an international network of neo Nazis. It

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Speaker 1: Iron March and tricked several users into clicking a link

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Speaker 1: because they made fun of him, because they mocked his religion,

431
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: because they disrespected his faith, because they were bullying him

432
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: pretty relentlessly, and he'd had enough. And there is plenty

433
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: of proof that that had been going on, so it's

434
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: no surprise that it would have happened again that evening.

435
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: I think this first story is the truth. He was

436
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: sitting in the living room cleaning the rifle when Jeremy

437
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: and Andrew started teasing him again. He'd spent the entire

438
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: day on the computer in an encrypted group chat full

439
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: of other members of Adam Woffen, and on that particular day,

440
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the chat was making fun of him again. He was

441
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: reaching a boiling point and he snapped. And unfortunately, in

442
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: the moment that he snapped, he happened to already have

443
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: a rifle in his hands, and in that split second

444
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: where he made the decision to pull the trigger, that's

445
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: what he was thinking about. He shot them because they

446
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: made fun of him. But as the reality of this

447
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: situation settled in, that didn't really feel like a good

448
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: enough explanation. It may not have even been a conscious choice.

449
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: He may have eventually convinced himself that this is true,

450
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: but within an hour he's adding details to the narrative,

451
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: and the more time he has to think about it,

452
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: the clearer his new story becomes.

453
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: I remember what I was sitting in that tube or

454
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: whatever He's pacing back and forth.

455
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, and I'm like thinking to myself, which cube

456
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: in the holding some alcohol? Just data?

457
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: I remember, like I.

458
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: Was thinking, like, you know, how could I have done this?

459
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: And stuff like that? And the only things that could

460
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: that I could rationalize was.

461
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: Like, you know, if I hadn't done that, if I

462
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: hadn't shut this organization down by doing this they'd be

463
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: a lot more people dead than just two people.

464
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: From that organization.

465
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: I was really struck by this language. It's a little

466
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: too on the nose that he keeps literally using the

467
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: word rationalize as he's describing his thought process to the officer.

468
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I think he's still processing what he's done. I guess

469
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: witnessing a murder is very traumatic, even if you were

470
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: the one who did it. He's still processing that experience.

471
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: He's still processing seeing his friend's dead body, and he's

472
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: coming to terms with it. He's trying to understand his

473
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: own actions and figure out how he's supposed to live

474
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: with them, and he's externalizing that entire thought process in

475
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: a recorded interview with a homicide detective.

476
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: And the thing that keeps from rational about this is that, like,

477
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: I feel what I've done is horrible in the sense

478
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: of that human life has been us and I feel sad.

479
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: I feel like an animal, and I feel like they

480
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: should be a costal somewhere that's you know, became that

481
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: medicine or.

482
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: Something like that to help me.

483
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: And I want you to know that, like I realized

484
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: the full extent of like you know, their families are

485
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: going to feel very bad about this their loved ones,

486
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: and I feel the utmost.

487
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: Bad about that.

488
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: But I also realized that these people, of what they

489
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: were planning with the explosives that were down downstairs.

490
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: What would tell me about that's? What's that all about?

491
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: It? Adam thought the division is a terrorist organization. It's

492
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: a n Aanazi organization. Part of it before I can

493
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: through it.

494
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: By the time he's sitting in that interrogation room at

495
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: one in the morning, he's the hero of the story.

496
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: He understands that it was a great tragedy to have

497
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: had to take those lives, But if you really think

498
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: about it, didn't he save countless lives by doing it.

499
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: I think it's the only way he can cope. He

500
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: told one of the officers on the scene shortly after

501
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: his arrest that he couldn't get the image of his

502
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: friend's dead bodies out of his mind. He said he

503
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: had no idea how much blood can come out of

504
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: a human body. He has to find a way to

505
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: convince himself that there was a good reason for it.

506
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: He feels like a monster, so he's trying to find

507
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: a way to be a hero. But he's lying an

508
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: organization that he was part of his conversion. He had

509
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: converted a year ago, and he still lived with the

510
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: group's leader. He still participated in the group's private chats.

511
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: He was still privy to the group's secret internal operations.

512
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: He went on group outings and road trips. When Adam

513
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Woffin went camping, Devin was there. When Adam Woffin did

514
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: training drills in the woods, Devon was there. Just a

515
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: month before the murders, he accompanied Brandon Russell on a

516
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: trip to Detroit, Chicago, and Boston for the purpose of

517
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: buying and selling guns. Remember, they live in Florida. It's

518
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: pretty easy to buy a gun in Florida, so I

519
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: don't think they were buying guns in places like Chicago

520
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: or Boston. So you'll have to use your imagination to

521
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: fill in the gaps here. Maybe they were selling guns

522
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: purchased in Florida to members of the group operating in

523
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: areas where it was harder to buy them. If Devin

524
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: Arthur's had abandoned his prior beliefs, if he was so

525
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: disgusted with neo Nazism, why was he participating in this.

526
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: He could have moved back in with either one of

527
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: his parents. He could have called the FBI. He could

528
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: have just stayed home when the neo Nazi terrorist group

529
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: went out into the woods to practice shooting drills for

530
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: the race war, but he didn't do any of that.

531
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: He's telling this officer now in May of twenty seventeen,

532
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: that he was no longer a member of Adam Woffen

533
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: and hadn't been since his conversion a year earlier, and

534
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's true. I think he's lying,

535
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: maybe even to himself. He sounds, for the most part,

536
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: fairly lucid in this interview, but half a dozen psychiatrists

537
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: and forensic psychologists would eventually agree that he was profoundly

538
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: mentally ill. So a lot of this is maybe just

539
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: trying to cope with his own actions. But I don't

540
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: think it's just coping. I think he realizes he has

541
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: a bargaining chip here, because throughout the interview he keeps

542
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: asking to speak with the FBI, and he says he

543
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: has important information that they'll want to hear.

544
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: If I could get like a meeting with an FBI

545
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: agent or something like that, I can shut down not

546
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: just Adam Vopham, but at several other.

547
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 4: Organizations, like probably with a bunch dissultates that.

548
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: I would very much like to do that.

549
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: He's pretty relaxed through most of the interview, but several

550
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: times he asks if what he's saying in the interview

551
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: is confidential, and when he's talking about that, he gets

552
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: very anxious, and the officer tells him that police reports

553
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: do eventually become public record, but he assures him that

554
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: sensitive information like the things he's talking about, can be

555
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: held back from public view. And he tells him that

556
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: what you say to me here just for the investigation,

557
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: nobody's going to see this video. Now. Remember, cops can

558
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: lie to you. Cops can always lie to you. It's

559
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: always okay for them to lie. Because I watched the

560
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: video of this officer telling Devin Arthur's that no one

561
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: would ever watch the video. He wants to tell the

562
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: FBI everything he knows about Adam Woffen, but he's very

563
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: worried that people will know he talked. He's worried that

564
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: members of the group will target him if they find out.

565
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: And then on the other hand, if I somehow get

566
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: some kind of plea bargain from this and then I

567
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: get released, I might get killed by somebody else like

568
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: that gets relieved, especially since I know that I unless

569
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: whatever information you can rely shuts down the group with

570
00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: our ladies.

571
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: Guys are just a commission. Well, that's the main thing.

572
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: That's why I'm mainly helping y'all.

573
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: Again, he's being very explicit here. You know, when he's

574
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: rationalizing his actions, he says out loud, I'm rationalizing my actions.

575
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: And now that he realizes he might have information to

576
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: trade for favorable treatment, he says, hey, maybe I'll get

577
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: a plea bargain out of this. He's saying the quiet

578
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: part very loud, and what he's saying is that he

579
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: wants to talk to the FBI about the bombs. I

580
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: imagine a cop usually takes you pretty seriously if you

581
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: start talking about bombs, just in case, even if you

582
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: are spinning a pretty fanciful sounding tale. And in this case,

583
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: even though what he's saying does sound a little far fetched,

584
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: they're listening carefully because they know there's some truth to it,

585
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: because they've already seen the explosives. Before Devon Arthur's ever

586
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: mentioned the presence of explosive material inside the condo, the

587
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: officers who arrived first on the scene saw enough to

588
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: make them cautious. The first officer to enter the apartment

589
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: wrote in his report that on his initial walkthrough of

590
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: the scene, he opened the closet in the other bedroom,

591
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: the one that belonged to Brandon Russell, and on a

592
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: shelf in the closet where you would normally keep sweaters

593
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: or something, there were several Geiger counters, a significant number

594
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: of batteries, and a lot of matches. Another officer found

595
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: a backpack near the front door that contained electric matches

596
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: and some kind of device that looked like it might

597
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: be an ied. They weren't entirely sure what they were

598
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: looking at, but they knew enough to know that somebody

599
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: else needed to be the one looking at it. So

600
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: they confirmed that the two victims were deceased and not

601
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: in need of any medical help. The apartment was otherwise empty,

602
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: and then they evacuated the neighboring apartments while they waited

603
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: for the bomb squad And so backing up to this

604
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: point in our timeline, When Devon Arthur's was arrested at

605
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: the smoke shop, he was put into a police car

606
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: and he told the officers that his two roommates were

607
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: dead inside their home, which was in the complex across

608
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the street, but he couldn't remember the unit number. They'd

609
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: only just moved in a month before, but he offered

610
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: to show them which one it was if they would

611
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: drive him there. And so, as the police car is

612
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: pulling up outside the condo, they can hear someone screaming inside,

613
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: and as the officers are approaching the residence, a man

614
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: dressed in military fatigues came out the front door. He

615
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: is hysterical, unable to respond to their questions, collapses onto

616
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: the ground, sobbing, crying, and he's screaming, Jeremy is dead.

617
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: That was Brandon Russell. He'd arrived home some time in

618
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: that very small window of time after the murders, but

619
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: before the police arrived. He wasn't there when it happened,

620
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: but by the time the police get there, he is.

621
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: The property manager said that she saw him driving erratically

622
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: through the parking lot when she was standing outside after

623
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: dialing nine one one, so he had to have gotten

624
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: home after five thirty, but before five forty five. He

625
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: was detained by the officers on the scene for obvious reasons.

626
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: They just watched him walk out of an apartment with

627
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: two dead bodies inside. They don't know what they're dealing with.

628
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: So around six p m. Those officers who first entered

629
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: the apartment saw some things they thought they needed a

630
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: bomb squad for Brandon Russell and Devon Arthur's are both

631
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: handcuffed and sitting in separate police cars right outside, and

632
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: both men, separately and for their own reasons, voluntarily disclosed

633
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: to the police that there are explosives inside the house.

634
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: Devon is starting to realize that he wants the police

635
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: to know that the people he killed were very bad men,

636
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: and that maybe they were going to use those bombs

637
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: to hurt innocent people. And at this point he adds

638
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't kill innocent people. I had plenty of

639
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: opportunities tonight to kill innocent people, even those responding officers,

640
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: and I didn't do it. For Brandon, he's just trying

641
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: to get out ahead of the problem he knows is coming.

642
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: The cops already saw some suspicious material inside the condo,

643
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: but they hadn't looked in the garage yet, so he

644
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: told a detective that they would find some things in

645
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: there that they should know about. He said that in

646
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: the garage there's potassium chlorate thorium, which is a radioactive material,

647
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: rocket propellant, and a compound called h M D T

648
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: Hexamethylene triperoxide diamine is a highly volatile explosive compound. It

649
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: is dangerous to handle, it is dangerous to store. It

650
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: is insane to keep it in your garage when your

651
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: garage is directly underneath your living room. He did fail

652
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: to mention to the officer that there was also some

653
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: ammonium nitrate in there, but the bomb squad found it anyway.

654
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: Russell told the officer on scene that they are going

655
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: to find that stuff in the garage, but he wants

656
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: them to know that it's only there for fueling model rockets.

657
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: But as he's sitting there in handcuffs trying to convince

658
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: the officer that those explosives in the garage are just

659
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: for his hobby, he asks if he's ever going to

660
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: see his family again, because he knows what this looks like,

661
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: and it looks bad. He's stuck to the li though

662
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: he's just a model rocket enthusiast having a very traumatic day.

663
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: At some point, both men were separately transported to the

664
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Speaker 1: police station to await their interrogations, and during Devin's interrogation,

665
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: he has a very clear idea of exactly what the

666
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: bomb squad is going to find in the house. He

667
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: knew what was in the house, where it was and

668
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: how it got there.

669
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: Yes, there is a nuclear materials and in that in

670
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: that garage, there is some nuclear material what's in that

671
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: garage that in Asia MTD and those explosives, Yes, some

672
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: ceremonium nitrate and believe and I know that there's some

673
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: radiated materials that he was able to bring in through

674
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: the Bahamas and because because he's a Bahamian citizen, he's

675
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: able to bring it and bring it in.

676
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: And more than that, he was willing to tell anyone

677
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: who would listen what the group planned to do with

678
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: those materials.

679
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: But the things that they were planning were horrible. They're

680
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: planning bondings and stuff like that on countless people. They're

681
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: planning to kill civilian life. Well did they do with

682
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: the specific in their blessed.

683
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: Power lines? Nuclear reactors, synagogues? Things like that.

684
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: He knew all the details of the group's plans. He

685
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: knew what Adam Woffin was going to do because he

686
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: was a member of Adam Woffin. He's in the chats

687
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: where these things are being discussed. He's in the living

688
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: room where these things are being discussed, and by the

689
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: time he's in that interrogation room, he's convinced himself that

690
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: that's why he murdered his roommates. It wasn't some petty

691
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: personal dispute, It wasn't because they were bullying him. It

692
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: was because he had to do it. He had to

693
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: stop them before they could hurt innocent people. And of

694
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: course the detective did specifically ask about the model rockets.

695
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: You guys, don't build model rockets and go out back

696
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: and down them, offer the or amount of the firewors

697
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: for the July.

698
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: Now, there's not that, none of that. It's all literally

699
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: there specifically to kill Bean.

700
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: Is this probably the truth? I think so to some degree. Yeah.

701
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: Not to spoil the ending, but Brandon Russell was convicted

702
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: earlier this year for a separate plot to destroy electrical infrastructure.

703
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: He's also alleged to have co authored some of the

704
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: Terrogram collective manuals that advise other neo Nazis on how

705
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: to go about carrying out their own attacks. It's not

706
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: at all hard to believe that he was thinking about

707
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: and talking about these things as he's building bombs in

708
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: his garage in twenty seventeen and wasn't a model rocket enthusiast.

709
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: He did work on a project involving a model rocket

710
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: as a member of the engineering club at the University

711
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: of South Florida, but that was in twenty thirteen and

712
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: he had since dropped out because he couldn't pass calculus.

713
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: There were no model rockets in the condo. An explosives

714
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: expert wrote in a report that no one would use

715
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: HMTD to power a model rocket. It's too volatile. It's

716
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: too volatile for pretty much everything. The military doesn't use it.

717
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: It fell out of favor in mining decades ago, but

718
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: it is possible to make it home if you're not

719
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: afraid of accidentally blowing your fingers off if the workshop

720
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: gets too warm, so it's still popular among terrorists. At

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Speaker 1: the end of his interview, Arthur says, again quite plainly,

722
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: if I hadn't done this, there would have been attacks.

723
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: He's sure of it now. That's why he did it.

724
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: He's sure at this point that he'd actually always thought that,

725
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: and that was what he was thinking before it happened.

726
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Throughout his interview, Arthur's is asking to speak to the FBI.

727
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: He's insisting that they need to hear what he has

728
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: to say, and they keep sort of pushing him off, saying, yeah,

729
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: we can think about that. You know, we'll get to that.

730
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: That's later. He doesn't know that an FBI agent is

731
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: watching a video feed from the next room, and he's right.

732
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: The FBI was very interested in what he had to say,

733
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: because shortly after that interview wrapped up, the same detective

734
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: sat down with Brandon Russell, and this time that FBI

735
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: agent is in the room. They talked to Brandon for

736
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: a little over an hour. The detective had him sign

737
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: a form confirming that he'd been informed of his Miranda rights,

738
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: but he was also told that he wasn't in custody,

739
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't being detained, he's not under arrest, and he's

740
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: free to leave it any time. He signed the form,

741
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: and he agreed to talk without a lawyer, which I'm

742
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: fine with him doing, but you listener, never talked to

743
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: the police without a lawyer. They talked a lot about

744
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: the murders. Obviously, he's talking to a homicide detective in

745
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: a homicide investigation. They talked about Devin and Andrew and Jeremy,

746
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: how they all come to be friends, how they met

747
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: online and then in person, how that friendship had fallen

748
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: apart over Devon's conversion to Islam. Brandon says Devon's conversion

749
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: was never an issue for him, and I think that's true.

750
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: He insisted that what was going on in the house

751
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: was all just banter, just regular ball busting, teasing between friends.

752
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: After the detective rephrases the question half a dozen times,

753
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: he reluctantly agrees that, yeah, Jeremy and Andrew crossed the

754
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: line sometimes. Maybe they were bullying him and Devin was

755
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: having a hard time with it, but he said it

756
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: had never gotten physical and he never thought anyone would

757
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: get hurt. He also said Adam Waffin was just a

758
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: club for people with shared political interests, and they liked

759
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: to do outdoor activities together. He did agree that those

760
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: shared beliefs were national socialism, and he got a little

761
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: animated when he started complaining that schools only teach lies

762
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: about Hitler. For the most part, though, Who's mumbling and

763
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: his body language is guarded and anxious. He's sitting sort

764
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: of folded in on himself, slouching down with his legs

765
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: crossed and his arms folded tightly across his chest. He's tired,

766
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: he's traumatized, but he's scared, and he insists throughout this

767
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: conversation that everything they found was legal, It was legally obtained,

768
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: he wasn't planning to do anything nefarious with it, and

769
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: it was all related to his hobby of building model rockets.

770
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: After about an hour of this, the detective's tone changes.

771
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: He's been sort of yes, ending him, just letting him talk,

772
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: getting him to open up, talking about his hobbies, not

773
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: passing any kind of judgment, and Brandon Russell has been

774
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: portraying himself and his organization as what the detective calls,

775
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, knuckleheads horsing around, you know, just kids having fun.

776
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: But if we look on your computer, what are we

777
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: going to find? Is it just jokes and camping trips

778
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: or are we going to find that you've made explicit threats?

779
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: Are you saying things like he'll all jews right? What

780
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: are you saying? Are you making the kind of threats

781
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: that could lead to federal charges? And at first Brandon

782
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: tries to answer the question. He says, you know, only

783
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: ever as a joke, I've never said that non satirically,

784
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: and they press him a little hard what kinds of

785
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: things are you saying? And then he just mumbles that

786
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: maybe he needs a lawyer, So the questions stop there.

787
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: He's not under arrest, he can leave at any time,

788
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: and if he wants a lawyer, they're not going to

789
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: ask him any more questions. He can go, but he

790
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: can't go home though. The ATF has only just arrived

791
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: and they still haven't finished clearing the house of explosive material.

792
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: And until the ATF clears the scene, the medical examiner

793
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: can't take the bodies away, so he's not going to

794
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: be able to get into that condo anytime soon. So

795
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: Russell asks the detective to call his dad. He doesn't

796
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: ask if he can use the phone to call his dad.

797
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: He a twenty two year old member of the military,

798
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: is asking this other adult man, will you call my dad?

799
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: He doesn't actually know his dad's phone number, and his

800
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: cell phone is still inside the condo, but he says,

801
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, you can just call the Palm Beach County

802
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office and ask for him by name. He's a

803
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: deputy there, or maybe it's West Palm Beach. He can't

804
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: actually remember he and his dad aren't close. He wasn't

805
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: around when Branda was a kid, and they don't really

806
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: get along now. But he tells the FBI that he's

807
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: going to drive to Palm Beach and stay with his dad.

808
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: His mom still lives in the Bahamas, so he doesn't

809
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: really have anywhere else nearby he can go, so a

810
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: little after six am on Saturday morning, a Tampa police

811
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: officer dropped Russell off outside the condo. The Explosive Ordnance

812
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: Disposal team had finished with the scene, so detectives were

813
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: just now arriving to conduct their search. One of those

814
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: detectives went inside and got his keys for him. In

815
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: her report, she notes that when she entered his bedroom

816
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: to look for his keys, she saw a large framed

817
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: photograph of Timothy mcveay on his dresser. An explosives enforcement

818
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: agent from the ATF confirmed to the FBI sometime early

819
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: Saturday morning that the materials they found did meet the

820
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: legal definition of a destructive device. What they found in

821
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: that garage was enough to bring federal charges, but by

822
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: the time the ATF agents were done examining the scene

823
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: and writing of their findings, the FBI had already let

824
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: him go he was gone. He said he was going

825
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: to his dad's house in West Palm Beach, but he didn't.

826
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Speaker 1: When FBI agents contacted his family, they said they hadn't

827
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Speaker 1: heard from him. Instead of going to his dad's house

828
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: to get some rest, he'd driven straight to the home

829
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: of another Adam Woffin member. He told him about the murders,

830
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: and he said he needed to get away for a

831
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: while to clear his head. But his friend didn't just

832
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: toss a few T shirts and a toothbrush into a

833
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: backpack like you might expect someone to do for a

834
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: spur of the moment weekend away. Instead, he withdrew all

835
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: of the money from his bank account, quit his job,

836
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: and got into Russell's car, heading south. When deputies apprehended

837
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: Russell in the Florida Keys a day later, the rifles

838
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: they'd bought at a sporting goods store were still in

839
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: their manufacturer's packaging. We'll pick back up next week with

840
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: the year's long ordeal in court of resolving Devon Arthur's

841
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: mental competency and Brandon Russell's first trip to federal prison.

842
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: Hopefully by then we'll know how his story ends. He

843
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: is scheduled to be sentenced for his second foiled plot

844
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: on August seventh. Until then, I don't know. Make sure

845
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: your teenage son isn't accidentally converting to a memified version

846
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: of Islam in a neo Nazi Minecraft chat, and don't

847
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: store volatile explosives in a cooler in your garage. Weird

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Speaker 1: music was composed by Brad Dickard. You can email me

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Speaker 1: will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.

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