1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks. Just finishing up day three 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: of workouts on the turf in Lucas Or Stadium. Great 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: deal of workouts. We're gonna talk all about it, recap 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: the defensive linemen and linebackers, the top standouts, guys who 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: were really impressed with some of the guys who have 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: a little work to do before their pro days. We're 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: gonna interview Javon ken Law from South Carolina. Also talked 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: to maybe the best defensive prospect in the draft, Chase Young, 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: and also interview your tour gros Mottos Penn State edge rusher, 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: talking about all the things that are going with him, 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: how he felt about his combine and the like lands. 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: This was all about the big boys up front. Let's 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: just talk about what you saw from the d lineman. Yeah, 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: let's start off with the number one guy to me, 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: and that's uh and that's obviously Derek Brown. I mean, 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: Chase Young didn't work out. Derek Brown is next up 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: in terms of my rankings at least, and I think 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: most people Derek Brown to me looked physically. I thought 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: he carries his weight really well. I mean, I think 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: he's got great body composure. But the second thing is, 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: to me, he just gave you a check mark on 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: the the the athletic profile. He he rerapped twenty eight 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: on on the bench. We already know he's strong, and 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: that's just a number. To me. Ran a five one six, 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: which is about what I expected, and in a vertical 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: that maybe not super explosive, but then again, I guess 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: he's three d and what's sixteen pounds, So you know, 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: this just showed yes, he's fine physically. They had a 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: malfunction on the clock initially where it showed him running 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: a five five and I was like, wait a minute, 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: what And then the next time around they had corrected 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: it to a five one one uh for his unofficial 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: first run. So um, he ran a five one six 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: was the official time. But that's fine, man, big big 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: guy runs fast, he's super productive, he's athletic. Uh. He 37 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: has a great motor Where watched him in those drills. 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: He moves around like a dancing bear. He is terrific 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: going from side to side. And the fact that when 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: you talk to all of the players, you either played 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: with him or offensive alignment that played against him. They 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: talked about him being the most dominant defender that they faced. 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I am willing to go on their recommendation because their 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: recommendation matches what I saw in film and what I 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: saw on the turf. There's nothing, uh that he did 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: on the turf to dissuade me from taking him Man 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: as one of the top players. He should be a 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: top five pick in normal draft. We'll see where he's selected. 49 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: But the talent is top five or the guy really 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: interested in is just a matter of weekend. Because when 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: I when I watched him on the field, and maybe 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: it's the number fifty two, you know, it's like a 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: linebacker number. But he just feels small. He feels small 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: out on the field, and and yet his his athleticism 55 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: is really off the charts. And today he really showed out, 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: and not just with the speed and quickness. He ran 57 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: a four eight three. He reapped thirty one times. I mean, 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: that's that's strength, that's compact, explosive straight. He ran fast, 59 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: but he looked fantastic out there in space when he 60 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: was running around. That is a really fluid athlete, I guess, Bucky. 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: One of my problems is when A and M lined 62 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: him up and just had people, you know, had him 63 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: take on blocks. That's not who he's gonna be. I 64 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: don't think. I think he's got to be a guy. 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: I know he had some flashes against Georgia, hit some 66 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: flash plays, but I think he's got to be a 67 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: guy who's in the gaps and up the field. Yeah. 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: My biggest thing with him is when I watched him, 69 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of activity, but I felt like it 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: was kind of wasted, not a lot of production to 71 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: to to show. First he would move around and he 72 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: would flash his hands and he would try and go 73 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: silent the silent, but I didn't see him really catch 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: running backs or quarterbacks a lot, and so I don't 75 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: know how effective it it was. In general. Um, he's 76 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: one that is a little tougher for me when I 77 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: evaluate and compare him to some of the other guys, like, 78 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: for instance, someone that played um like at Jordan's Elliott, 79 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: Jordan Elliott from Missouri. Yeah, Jordan Elliot. To me, um, 80 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: it's a little bigger look. He's not quite deathlete, but 81 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: he's a really good athlete. But what I saw from 82 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: him on tape was a guy who had active hands 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: who are balancing by the control. Who flashed your potential 84 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: to be very, very disruptive. And then when I watched 85 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: him run, he runs a five O two forty. He 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: hits the refs on the bench, which is strong enough. 87 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: But to me, he looks like a high end pro. 88 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: I see him stat guys like I see the explosive strength. 89 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: I think he has really good hands. Is uh his 90 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: D line coach Brick Haley was an NFL D line coach, 91 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: so you can tell he's a little more skilled with 92 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: the hands and a lot of guys we see come out. 93 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: But one of the things that I really was impressed 94 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: and I was curious that that change of direction drill 95 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: where they got you running side to side. I thought 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: he was really good at changing direction quickly, fluidly. And 97 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: the only way you can do that is if you 98 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: play with bend. If you move with bend, and then 99 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: when you move with bend and you play with ben, 100 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: then you're you're gonna have better leverage, You'll have better anchor. 101 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: So um, I was impressed with Jordan Elliott. I thought 102 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: he had a really good day. Yeah, I thought he 103 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: had a really really good day. I think the guy 104 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: that um is in conversation that people will talk about 105 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: is Ross Blacklock from TCU four note oh forty twenty 106 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: nine inch vertical. Uh. When we watched him on the turf, 107 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: I thought he's a very very good athlete. I think 108 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: he's built to be an athletic guy. UM. When we 109 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: saw him play in the Big twelve, he made a 110 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: lot of plays because he does have sidelines, sideline chase ability. 111 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: He does has the ability to play at angles and 112 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: kind of shoot holes. Uh. The one thing that you 113 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: and I have talked about, how is he going to 114 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: be when they run right at him canny stack and ship? 115 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: Can he hold up uh and play at the point 116 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: of attack. You can't really get that sense based on 117 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: what he did here, but as an athlete, he certainly 118 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: dazzled and impressed, you know, Marlon Davidson. I know that 119 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: was a guy that you you talked with a little bit. 120 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: Mar Marlon Davidson, I'm really intrigued by him because, you know, 121 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: the more I watched him, I know his body type 122 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: doesn't look Dan, but he played Dan. He not only that, 123 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: he stood up like he could stand and rush and 124 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting uh talent. He's he ran 125 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: a five oh four forty. But I kind of look 126 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: at him as a three technique who has the the 127 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: athleticst is him and the agility really to to play 128 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: a base in spot and then reduced down as a 129 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: rusher inside. Not the strongest guy at twenty one reps 130 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: um and that shows up on tape sometimes I think 131 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: he has a hard time going up against power. That's 132 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: why I would I would I would probably uh, you know, 133 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: reduce him as a rusher on just rushdowns and sub packages. 134 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: But Marlon Davidson is a guy who I think is 135 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: very intriguing. I'm just sometimes I struggle between the the 136 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: d N three technique. You know, it's I would say this, Um, 137 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: he is physical. Uh. He plays the game the right way. 138 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: When you look at the Orban guys on tape, they 139 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: play hard, they run and chase. When I had a 140 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to him, he talked about that living 141 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: up to the standard, playing to the standard. How hard 142 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: uh he and Derrick Brown played and how they can 143 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, competed and challenge each other to be dominant players. 144 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: When I watched him work out, I think the movement 145 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: skills are are good. I was just as impressed as 146 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: I was with him at the Senior Bowl. He is 147 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: just a mean, uh nasty player who has that stuff. 148 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: And it is funny because the twenty one reps can 149 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: deceive you because if you get in the way, he 150 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: will throw you absolutely out of the club because a 151 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: physical player with the nasty temperament. I love how he plays. Yeah, 152 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: and you gotta remember now, um, they did not get 153 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: great quarterback plant of the freshman over there. He was 154 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: he's very much in learning motor right now. Carry on. 155 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: Johnson has been gone, and so they they're trying to you. 156 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: You have an offense that is trying to find its 157 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: way during the year, and the defense had to carry them, 158 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: and those two guys were the key components. Now there's 159 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a few ofburn guys out here at the Combine, 160 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: but you know, Derrick Brown, who we already talked about, 161 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and Marlon Davidson, they really helped carry that that Auburn defense. 162 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: They were major and I thought they both stepped up 163 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: their game from last year to this year. The motors 164 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: didn't turn off this year for those guys. Now, when 165 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about motors, the guy that stands out to 166 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: me in terms of a motor player, a j epanessa, 167 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: and I know that that term is always gonna thro 168 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: rolling on guys like a j or whatever. But when 169 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: you watch the tape, man, he does play hard, he 170 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: plays with power um, he knocks back offensive tackles, does 171 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: a good job playing on the other side of the 172 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And I'm interested to hear what you 173 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: have to say about because I didn't see Juice as 174 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: a rusher. I see a lot of skill, a lot 175 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: of that's what he is. I think he's a power rusher. 176 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: So but but when he runs a five oh four, 177 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: he has seventeen reps. Does that bother you at all? 178 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: Seventeen reps on the bench? First, I try not to 179 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: pay a whole lot of attention to the bench, but 180 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I see a problem on tape. I 181 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: don't see. I think he plays man. I think he 182 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: plays tough. I think he plays with power. Um. He 183 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: has some snap. The five oh four, uh was probably 184 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: maybe even a little quicker than I thought, And it's 185 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily a super explosive time. But the thirty two 186 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical, to me, I think that 187 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: signifies the explosiveness in the hips that we sometimes see 188 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: when he seen the videos and him dunking on people. Yeah, 189 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: I mean like he got he got some of that. 190 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: Like you just don't you just don't see it all time. 191 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, he can throw it down. He can do 192 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: some stuff. Uh you gotta go to his thing and 193 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: kind of dig deep. But a j Epinessa is a 194 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: high flower when it comes to the bast ball court. 195 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: I think that explosiveness that what we're talking about. From 196 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: knee to that lowerd trunk. He has that and I 197 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: think that's why you see him snap into people when 198 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: he comes off the ball. You know the other guy 199 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: that's explosive his tour Grossmatos who he had twenty reps 200 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: on the bench, which is which is fine, thirty four 201 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: inch vert tenanch broad, I mean tim foot broad. I 202 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: should say, you know those are those are good numbers 203 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: for him. And he is a player to me who 204 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: is just figuring out who he's gonna be. He's a 205 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: he's a guy like Daniel Hunter when he came out, 206 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: who you could see the flashes but he was still 207 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. I think a guy like 208 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: that who in the third round, who succeeded benefits a 209 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: guy like Rosmatos because teams maybe it's a little easier 210 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: for them to project Now. Yeah, I think so. And 211 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: I think if you watch him go through the bags 212 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: and to spin moves and being able to sequence a 213 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: variety of different pass doing the thing, he has a 214 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: very polished game for his age, and I felt like 215 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: on tape the best thing that I thought he did 216 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: his athleticism, uh and his skill. I thought he had 217 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: unique pass f and skill. He has really done a 218 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: good job at a button jerk or a pushpool move 219 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: that you will see where he is shocks the defensive 220 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: linement and snatches him and he'll either dip up under 221 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: them real quick and get to the quarterback. He's really 222 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: affective with that. And then on the turf, saw the 223 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: spin move, saw him change directions, saw some of the 224 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: balance and agility that you wanted to see. That to 225 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: him foot broad jump speaks to the explosivest. I think 226 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: your two gross mottos um as a guy bottom of 227 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: the first round, he'll get some I wouldn't be surprised 228 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: to see him kind of creep up the chart because 229 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: they're not a lot of so he may benefit from 230 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: the lack of supply and really the demand, because without chasing, 231 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: we don't know what chasing is going to be in 232 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: terms of like just looking at him, how how he 233 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: plays and stuff like that. How comfortable are you with 234 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: a chase in over gross matters? I think that would 235 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: be the conversation that people have in war rooms. Well, 236 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: I know you had a chance to talk to uh, 237 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw. That was a guy I wish we could 238 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: have seen work out today. I would have loved to 239 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: seeing it after what he did at the Senior ball, 240 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: I would have loved to seen that. I would have 241 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: loved I would love to see it. But you know, 242 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: his his story is fascinating. Um, the background and all 243 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: that other stuff I just think people need to tune into. 244 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: So here's our conversation with Javon ken Law. Excited to 245 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: have Javon ken Law joining the podcast South Carolina stand 246 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 1: Out and look, man, how is everything going? How was 247 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: your common experience? Um? It was smooth man. You know 248 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: a lot of guys I talked to was like, man, 249 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna go crazy, But I mean it's been smooth 250 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: for me, honestly, not too not too hard. Honestly, not 251 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: too hard. That's too hard at all. How how how would 252 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: the interviews, and you know, that's kind of like the 253 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: biggest part of the ground. Everyone kind of take you through, 254 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: poking at you, asking a bunch of questions. How was 255 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: that part? And it was a very easy honestly it was. 256 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: It was a real breeze for me. Man. I ain't 257 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: trying to toot my own horn. But oh now let's 258 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: go to this. Nothing wrong with that. We can, we can, 259 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: we can brag and talk about the good stuff. Hey man. 260 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: Some of the good stuff that I've seen is just 261 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: watching you play. It's uncommon to see a man of 262 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: your size and stature being able to move around. Um, 263 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: when you have a chance to talk to coaches about 264 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: your game and talk about the strengths and weaknesses. What 265 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: were some of the things that you said stood out? 266 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: What makes you different than some of the other guys? 267 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: For one, I'm a big human, you know, big people 268 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: like me and not supposed to be able to move 269 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: to what I can't you know? For one, Um, and 270 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm very powerful, you know, I'm just able to grab 271 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: ahold of people and no matter what they're doing, just 272 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: get them out of my way you know, yeah, I 273 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: mean it's look, it's it's it's something that is remarkable 274 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: to see. I have to imagine going all the way 275 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: back to high school. Let's just talk about your high 276 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: school journey. Um, Like, think about the long journey, the 277 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: long road that you had to kind of navigate to 278 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: get to this point. Um, who are some of the 279 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: guys that kind of helped you along the way, um, 280 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: like friends and friends, coaches, like, Like, what were some 281 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: of the lessons that you learned along the way as 282 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: doing your childhood to kind of help you get to 283 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: this point? Just well, grow I'm homeless. I mean that 284 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: just make you have to fan for yourself a lot. 285 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: You know. So I grew up at an early eighte UM, 286 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: at least I would like to think, so, you know, 287 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: having to feed myself sometimes, you know. Uh, But honestly, 288 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, I learned a lot on my own really. 289 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: You know, I just had a hard time trust and 290 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: people growing up because everything that we was going through. 291 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: So but as I got a little older, you know, 292 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: I met people on the road. You know, I started 293 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: really understanding that you know, everybody not out to get me, 294 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: and you know, and things like that. So so then 295 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: did you have a platform, like just let's just expand 296 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: on that about the homelessness, because I don't think a 297 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: lot of people kind of understand that struggle. Um, now 298 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: that you have an opportunity to be on the platform, like, 299 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: how can you explain it to people? How can you 300 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: help young people kind of that are in that situation, uh, 301 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: navigate through and kind of get to the other side. Well, 302 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean, for one, I was blessed, you know, very 303 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: fortunate to not have straight down the wrong path on 304 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: this journey to get to this point. Um, but somebody 305 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: going through that, you know, you just gotta keep pushing 306 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: no matter what. You know, it's always a light at 307 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. What I always say, you know, 308 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: you just got to find it. You know, whatever it is, 309 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: whatever you gotta do, just get it done. Man. So 310 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: and thinking about that because you're so highly motivated to 311 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: get to the next level, Like you're right here on 312 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: the precipice of being an NFL player. How does that? 313 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: How do the struggles motivate you? Like, how do how 314 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: does that? How can we see that come out in 315 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: your game? Like, how how is everything that you've experienced 316 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: helped you become a dominant player on the field. Um, 317 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: a lot of frustration, you know, just I get to 318 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: take a lot of frustrations out. You know, my mom 319 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: is still homeless to this day. My brother, So, I 320 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: mean thinking about things like that, you know, it just 321 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: bring a a fuel out of me. You know that 322 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: I usually don't let the get out. So the only 323 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: time I really I'm allowed to, you know, bring that 324 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: type of passioners on the field, you know. So and 325 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: thinking about your game on the field, Man, when I 326 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: look the tape, I see you play everywhere. Man, I 327 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: feel like you played the zero, three, the five? What 328 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: is the best position? If if you could coach yourself, 329 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: where will we put you at? I would right from 330 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: now you know, three tech four, Um but one. I 331 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: can expand on that, you know, but it's just gonna 332 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: take a lot of learning. I feel like I could 333 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: play the five to I played the five in high school. Yeah, 334 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's all right there. I mean, you're you're 335 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: all right there. So when you look at NFL guys, 336 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: who's the NFL guy that you would say you're patting 337 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: your game after? Honestly, you know, I don't out of 338 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: my game after Nobody Honestly, that's because I just that's 339 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: just how I feel about myself, you know. But a 340 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: lot of people comparing me to Chris Jones, you know, 341 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, but Chris Joan is about to get that 342 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: big pay there, I'm drinking like him. Wrong with that? 343 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. Man. Look, I'm so glad that 344 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: uh you're able to come on. I have to say 345 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: this from a personal standpoint, Ma mad respect to you 346 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: for being able to overcome the journey. There's so many 347 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: young people that can't uh find their way. The fact 348 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: that you were able to do it without strand speaks 349 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: a lot to your character, speaks a lot to like 350 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: the internal fortitude that you have on the inside. So Um, 351 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see you, hear your name call, appreciate 352 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: you the best going forward. I appreciate that sons when 353 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: when you hear kN laws story and you hear the 354 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: bouts of homelessness, the fact that his mom and her 355 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: brother are still dealing with homelessness. Um, we always want 356 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: to ask people what's your why? Well, I think it's 357 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: pretty easy to see what Ken laws Y is and 358 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: how um gritty and competitive and feist he is. And 359 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a player that at 360 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: the next level. Um, he plays like that, like and 361 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: the thing he talked about Chris Jones and often being 362 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: either compared to a patterners game after I think he 363 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: has some of that ability. But another guy who has 364 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot of ability, you too, a Grossmatos. Take a 365 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: listen to our conversation with Gross Mattows after his workout 366 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: joining the Mood the Sticks podcast. We have Penn States 367 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and your tour, Gross Motels. How's everything going after the combine? 368 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: It's going well. You know, I was really pleased with 369 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: the way I went out there performing and you know 370 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: how my my whole trip has been here, so I 371 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: couldn't be happy here. Look, man, so much of what 372 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: everyone wanted to see is the athleticism, seeing you move 373 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: around and bounce around, because sometimes, like watching tape, you 374 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: just wonder how athletic is here? So what what did 375 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: you want to show the scouts doing your workout to that? Uh? 376 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: Just you know, my ability to move in space, uh, 377 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, from side to side. Um, and then just 378 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: just bursting out of the finish. Um. I'm really looking 379 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: forward to my pro day running my forty so um, 380 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: showing my fast eye and yeah, you can put down it. 381 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: You put down a nice time on the forty five. Oh, 382 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: I might need to be there for that. Might have 383 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: to fly in the happy balley for that. So here 384 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: here's what I love about watching you on tape. Man. 385 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: I love the energy that you played with coming off 386 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: the edge. I think you have like a sneaky little 387 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: push poor move that you use off the edge where 388 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: you attack him, shot him and get up under. What 389 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: do you think your strengths as a player are I say, uh, 390 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: like my motor that I play with. Um, just just 391 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: the intensity to want to to get to the ball. Um. 392 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: You know, once I started to get high, I feel 393 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: like I feel I know I can stop me. So 394 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: once he gets rolling, it's wronging. Uh. You know one 395 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: thing that I did see is sometimes they would use 396 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: you outside, but they also slide you down and play 397 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: some three techniques some situations. Did you like bumping inside 398 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: because that's kind of the new way of the NFL. 399 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: I didn't mind it, for sure, didn't minded. You know, 400 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: it's what my team needed from me, so um, you 401 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: know I was willing to do it, and you know 402 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: I was able to get some production out of there too, 403 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, you did get some sack production out there. 404 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: I think what you finished with eighteen and a half sacks, 405 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: thirty six and a half takers for lost loosely. Uh, 406 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: that's a lot of production for a guy. So when 407 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: you think about the National Football League and you happen 408 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: to watch games on Sundays when you have some downtime, 409 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: who are some of the guys that you're patting your 410 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: game after? Yeah? I think I think Bradley Chubb was 411 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: always someone that I always watched, you know, growing up. Um, 412 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: we're not growing up since like freshman year of college. Um. 413 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: Just just the way he played in college with that 414 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: motor and his hand skills. Um, and he's carried the 415 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: same thing in the NFL. So that's always so when 416 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: I tried to take from his game, Yeah, he definitely 417 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: is a dominant player. Um, I'm sure. Uh. When you 418 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: sit down in these meeting rooms with executives and coaches, 419 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people will ask you your why you 420 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: have had a I mean a real trouble background. You 421 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of tragedies that you had to overcome. 422 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: When we think about the adversity that you face, how 423 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: have those adversities help you become the player that you are. Yeah, 424 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's taught me to take advantage 425 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: of the opportunity. Um. You know, you can be here 426 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: one day, you know, not wake up next so um, 427 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: every days the opportunity to go out there and win, 428 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: go out there, make yourself better. And that's how I 429 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: approach That's how I approach life, you know, and thinking 430 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: about approaching life, there's a lot of things, a lot 431 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: of tradition that comes with playing at Penn State. Uh. 432 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: What were your experience from Penn State? How would that 433 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: help you succeed at the next level. I think at 434 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: at Penn State with where most taught me was you know, discipline, um, 435 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: because they're super hard on on always doing the right thing. 436 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: So UM, I think and think it made me grow 437 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: as a man, always trying to try and do what 438 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: do I feel is right. You know when you think 439 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: about doing what's right being a grown man. We expect 440 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: you to see you dominate at the next level. We're 441 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: excited to see you continue to grow. I can't wait 442 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: to hear your name called on draft day. Thanks so 443 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: much for joining the podcast. Thank you. Very impressive interview 444 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: with Gross Meadows. Uh, Lance. I think the thing that 445 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: stands out to me is, uh, this is a guy 446 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: that has just kind of gotten it done. The things 447 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: that he has learned in terms of being disciplined from 448 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: Pan State certainly would pay off. And then when you 449 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: just look at the overall athleticism that he displays, I 450 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: think he's a very skilled player, a guy who has 451 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot of intrigue and trades. I think he's gonna 452 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: be a fantastic pro at the next level. Yeah, and 453 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: he's the guy who's gone through a lot of life 454 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: adversity as well, with people very very close to him 455 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: obviously passing. And so you know, one of the things 456 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: we you talk about with Ken Law and then Gross 457 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: Matos now is that these guys who have been through 458 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: personal adversity in their life. One of the things scouts 459 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: like a lot and evaluators like are guys who have 460 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: been through something and show that they're resilient, they're tough, 461 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: and they have the ability to to bounce back from 462 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: from that. Because you're gonna face you're gonna face issues personally, 463 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: you're gonna face issues on the field, you'll face issues 464 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: potentially with injury, and how you bounce back from it 465 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: your resilience. Do you have it in your background? Can 466 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: you do it? You know, I think it matters. Uh, 467 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: we talked about it. What's your why? I think when 468 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: you talked about both of those guys ken Law, Angross Mottos, 469 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: it's easy to see there why they've been able to 470 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: bounce back from really tough and tragic circumstances and situations 471 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: to succeed. You would like to think that that success 472 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: is going to continue to follow them. But a guy 473 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: that we are expecting big things from and we were 474 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of happy and exciting when he was able to 475 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: come on, Chase Young, edge player from Ohio State. Uh, 476 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: I was able to track them down and we had 477 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: a little conversation. So let's tune into what the potential 478 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: number one defensive playing the draft has to say. Join 479 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: the Modest podcast. We're excited to have how your state standout? 480 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: Chase Young? Look, you didn't participate in work out at 481 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: the combine, but you did a lot of work behind 482 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: the scenes. How is your combin experience? It was great, man, 483 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, just being a little kid and uh, you 484 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: know always grimly come into the combine and just to 485 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: see what happens, you know, behind closed doors, you know. Um, 486 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: you know, just going into the draft, it was, it 487 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: was amazing, and you know it's definitely something might never forget. 488 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: You know, something that I'll never forget is just kind 489 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: of watching you on tape. Dominant performance this season, but 490 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: actually it's been a dominant three year run for you 491 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: at the Higher State. Just talk a little bit about 492 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: what you learned from the experience playing in the Higher 493 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: State and your dealine coach Lady Johnson, Um, planning on 494 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: the Hiwer State. Man, I definitely learned how to the 495 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: beacons to work hard consistently. I would say that, Um 496 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: that coach Mick Um, he would stay honest, um mainly 497 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: me and push me because I feel like Coach mckknew 498 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: my potential and knew where I could be one day. 499 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: And uh, you know by doing that men man coach, 500 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: men have a great relationship right now. Um, Coach Johnson, 501 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: you know he definitely you know, teach me how to 502 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: use my hands, uh my hips better first step on 503 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: on on the field. But um, the biggest thing he 504 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: taught me, you know, how to do is is be 505 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: a man off the field. And um, I can always 506 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: look back to when I did get suspended. Um, and 507 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: and how he was always in my corner and supporting me, 508 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: and um, you know just telling me, um that how 509 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: I watched your face it on and uh you know 510 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: I did that and UM, you know it definitely, Uh, 511 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: it definitely helped me out the long run. You know. 512 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: It's it's it's unique that you played on the d 513 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: line where you've had some top pics that played that 514 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: you played with, Uh, Joey and Nick Bolsa. Uh, what 515 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: have you learned from their experiences not only are higher 516 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: state but in the national football Um, I would say, 517 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: uh that the things that coach J teaches us in 518 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: college works on the next level. I would definitely say that. 519 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: Uh I can see, Um we call the drinking the 520 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: kool aid, and uh, that's what coach J always says. UM. 521 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: And you know the stuff that you know that I 522 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: use in college right now that Nick used, Joe use, 523 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: they're using it in the league right now when you know, 524 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: racking up sacks. So it's it's something I'm excited about 525 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: because I know it works. So you know, that's that's 526 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: definitely my back pocket. It's funny, It's funny you talked 527 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: about like drinking the kool aid and knowing that this 528 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: stuff works. Um, I've said this, and I don't know 529 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: if I said to you. Obviously we know each other 530 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: outside of the podcast, but last summer. Uh, when I 531 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: look at you, I see a lot of Julius Peppers 532 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: and you haven't been in Carolina when Peppers uh was 533 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: playing for the Panthers. I see that. When you look 534 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: at yourself and look at some of the guys that 535 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: are playing in the league, who do you pattern or 536 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: model your game after? Uh? You know, I try not 537 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: to really model myself after anybody, but if you know, 538 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: I would, I like Julius Peppers a lot. That was 539 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: the first, um, you know, the physics end that you know, 540 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: I was attracted to. Uh. You know, my dad always 541 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: loved Julius Peppers. Um, so that's definitely somebody growing up 542 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: that I watched a lot, especially when I first uh 543 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: you know, made a transition to defensive and UM, that 544 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: was definitely number one in my mind of of who 545 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to be. Like, that's crazy. So I want 546 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: to talk to you quickly about one of your former teammates. 547 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow leaves Ohio State, UM goes to l s 548 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: U give us a little background on on how is 549 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow at Ohio State the competitiveness the leader? Uh 550 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: did you guys think that he could be the leader 551 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: that he had end up emerging being Yeah, we knew it. 552 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: Um it was with him and Dwayne. It was a 553 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: close battle. But who's gonna be the starting quarterback? You know? 554 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: But Joe, you know, he's a competitor and we knew, uh, 555 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: you know when he left or wherever he went, he 556 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: was gonna be starting day one. We knew that. And 557 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, winning the Heisman, you know, everybody at Ohio 558 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: State coach Mick, coach Meyer, it's no surprise. We we 559 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: we we you know what Joe is Joe. He had 560 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: do so we know that. That's funny you talked about 561 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: and being a dude. We got some clips where he 562 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: was y'all do Matt drills and poor tires and all 563 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: the other stuff. Is that common for a quarterback to 564 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: jump in and be asked to participating that stuff. No, 565 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: but Joe a different dude. He definitely is a different dude. 566 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: You are a different dude. I mean, in most years, 567 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: people would say that you were the consensus choice to 568 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: be the number one pick regardless of aus shakes out. Man, 569 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: We're excited to see you dominated the next level. Thanks 570 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: for joining the podcast. Thank you, thank you. Lands. You 571 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: heard it right there when you when you talked to 572 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: Chase Young. Um, he just kind of gets it. Uh. 573 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: The fact that he played at Ohio State. He has 574 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: watched the bosses work before him. He has learned from 575 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: Larry Johnson Senior on how to get it done. And 576 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: he talked about drinking the kool aid. He said, you 577 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: dream thekool aid. You see that thekool aid works at 578 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: the next level, So why shouldn't I have that success. 579 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: Just the confidence that he has that he can go 580 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: to the next level and be a dominant player. He's 581 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: been through it all, Like this is not this is different, 582 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: but it's not new, right, the process, he's been through it. 583 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: He understands what being a high profile player, a high 584 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: profile recruit, high profile coverage of Ohio State, playing in 585 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: high leverage games. This is just another part of the 586 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: process for him. So this is not too big for him. 587 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: You and see the way conducts himself and carries himself. 588 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: It's like he was made for this. Yeah, he absolutely 589 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: is bill for it. Uh, he's built to be a 590 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: guy that can do it. And uh, we we've talked 591 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: about the talent. The talent is off the charts. Whether 592 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: it's comparing him to Davian Clowney uh in the Julius Peppers, 593 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: both of those guys went one to respectively. He is 594 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: in that conversation, I think he can be that he's 595 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: going to be that kind of dominant impact player. And 596 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: I think the thing that we saw today, not only 597 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: with Chase Young particularly being an impact player, we saw 598 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: this linebacker crew. This linebacker crew has a couple of 599 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: impact players, but the guy that everyone is going to 600 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: seeing his praises Isaiah Simmons from Clemson. Uh, just talking 601 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: about what you saw from the Clemson so explosiveness. He 602 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: ran one time four three nine and said that's good. 603 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't need anything thing else. And we'll 604 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: talk about maybe one of the reasons here in a second. 605 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: A couple of other guys had hamstring injuries. Thirty nine 606 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: inch vertical um an eleven foot broad Uh, he's two 607 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: thirty eight and so now I think the conversation turns 608 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: to and it's something that we alluded to on some 609 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: of our broadcasts already here on on on the broadcast, 610 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: the pre combined broadcast. The conversation isn't how fast he 611 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: is and how explosive he is. That was a given. 612 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: You already know that. The question is what is he? 613 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: Who is he and how has he used and how 614 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: does he fit our scheme? Whoever that hour is, they're 615 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna make that decision. So I know you and I 616 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: have talked off the mic as well. A lot of 617 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: people will talk about the diversity and then rather I 618 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: should say the versatility of his skill set. And I 619 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: love the versatility of his skill set. But at the 620 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: same time, you do have to have something kind of focused, like, Okay, 621 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: it's good he's versatile. How are you going to use 622 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: that versatility? What is your plan? Yeah? I mean I 623 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: think that's important. And you have some people who think, hey, 624 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: he should be a safety and drop him in the 625 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: box and he can be like Derwin James. There are 626 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: others who believe he is a linebacker. He should be 627 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: a second level defender, a guy that can be a 628 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: will linebacker that kind of displaces against slot receivers and 629 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: handles the tie it in matchups. I I think this. 630 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: I think there's no question about his athleticism, there's no 631 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: question about his ability to make impact plays. Really important 632 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: to get him slotted in the right spot so he 633 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: can have success, because the one thing that can wreck 634 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: a versa or athlete like this is misplacing him in 635 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: a situation where he doesn't have success. He loses his 636 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: confidence and we never quite tap into those special skills 637 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: that we've seen um in college. And so this is 638 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: debated in a conversation that scouts must have with the coaches, 639 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: and everyone must be unified and what the plan is 640 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: for a S. Simmons when he walks in the door. 641 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: That plan has to be articulated. Yeah, I don't think 642 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: you overthink this. I think you decide his position, you 643 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: play him there, and then his value to me is 644 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: when you match up against the Ravens, you gotta gotta 645 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: spy Lamar. When you match up against Travis Kelsey, Well, 646 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: now I got a guy that I'm gonna go check 647 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: on Travis Kelsey. You use that versatility against those unique 648 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: match ups that are causing issues. This is your own 649 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: matchup defensive player. He's a guy that can match up 650 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: against the matchup teams. And so that's what his is 651 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: special about him. Don't overthink it. Don't get too convoluted 652 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: with how you use him, though I think, yeah, I 653 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: think that's that's really important. He is a versatile player. 654 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say this lance there are other versatile 655 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: players and the guy that I really like. And he 656 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: didn't run the fastest time, but Zach Bond from Wisconsin 657 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: UH twenty four reps on the bench thirty four, I 658 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: mean thirty two and a half inch vertical ran four 659 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: six five. But let's ignore those times and let's talk 660 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: about what we saw. What I saw in drills was 661 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: a guy that could do a bunch of different things 662 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: at the second level, where it's coming off the edge, 663 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: playing inside linebacker where you can kind of run and 664 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: scrape and do all kinds of stuff. I'm in love. 665 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I got a personal man crush on in terms of 666 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: what he could be at the next level. I think 667 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal prosper I did too, and I saw 668 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: him against UH when I was watching Big ten football 669 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: one day. I think it might have been against Iowa. 670 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm watching fifty six just cause major problems, and this 671 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: was as an edge rusher, so I was excited to 672 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: watch him you know, just to study him and to 673 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: write him up. And then I see him stacked him 674 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: playing off the ball something and I'm like, wow, when 675 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: you watch him dropped the didn't asked him to do 676 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: a lot, but when he did it supernatural. And that's 677 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: because he was really, really loose and athletic. He is 678 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: really athletic. I don't think he gets enough credit for 679 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: how athletic and how disrupt if he could be as 680 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: a pro. Yeah, when you watched him at the Senior 681 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: World Practices, he ran around and made plays. And then 682 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: you go back and you look at his tape at Wisconsin. 683 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: He did a bunch of good things, a bunch of 684 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: things that you could tap into. Not quite the explosive 685 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: animal that Isaiah Simmons is, but he is a guy 686 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: for a very creative defensive coordinator who understands how to 687 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: mix in his sub packages. When it comes to the pressure, 688 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a contribute. Let me okay. So one 689 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: of the one of the reasons I like And when 690 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: we talk about Isaiah Simmons, we talked about a a 691 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: A plus athlete, but that's a third level guy moving 692 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: to the second level. Different with bond, the positive is 693 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: he's a second level player who can also rush off 694 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: the edge. But let me throw a name at you, 695 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: just if this is a word of caution. What about 696 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick. He was an edge rusher. They tried to 697 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: play him stack and then you know, he kind of 698 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: got caught between positions. Is there any concern there? Yeah, 699 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: not necessarily concerned with Bond, because I feel like we've 700 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: seen Bond play uh stack, lineback and do something he's 701 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: done it. I don't know if we necessarily saw that 702 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: same kind of stuff with Reddick. We like Reddick's motor. 703 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: I think the difference is um I felt like Bonn 704 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: was a more explosive player because I feel like as 705 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: an athlete, he was just a better athlete. He was 706 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: probably groomed to be that player that can kind of 707 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: be that second level hybrid. I don't even call him 708 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 1: a hybrid. I just think on passing now you can 709 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: just say, hey, you're the fourth rusher, you know, And 710 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: I think for a three or four team he could 711 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: be very, very valuable. I like those two reps too. 712 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean that's a good that's a good power number 713 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: for that. It's a really it's a really good number. 714 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: Two guys that we didn't get a chance he fully 715 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: work out. Kenneth Murray, Patrick Queen, they were doing uh, 716 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: they did some of this stuff, but they didn't get 717 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: a chance to do all of it. Kenner Murray reps 718 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: on the bench thirty eight inch vertical uh one nine 719 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: broad jump talking about ten nine inches. That's terrific. Four 720 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: or five two uh for the injured his hamstring. Patrick 721 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: Queen eighteen on the bench, Uh ten five broad jump, 722 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: four or five oh. But he also went to the 723 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: side with the injury. He was weird. He he pulled 724 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: up after he ran a four or five like he 725 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: he finished the run. Um Murray had to pull up 726 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: about halfway through. Queen actually finished and then pulled up 727 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: after he finished, and he ran a four or five oh, 728 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: and then pulled up. But you and I saw him. 729 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: He was right down here by us, and he was 730 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: very disappointed. They're working on the hamstring. It looked like 731 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: a bit of an issue. They wrapped it in ice. 732 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: Um he was in some pain, so we don't know 733 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: the the extent at this point. Um really ashamed to 734 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: see it. I'm hoping it's just something that will that 735 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: will he'll fine. I mean, I don't know that you 736 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: really need to see Patrick Queen workout at a pro day. 737 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully he'll be ready by then. If not, I've seen 738 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: enough on tape. You've seen enough on tape. I think 739 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: the big thing with him is I actually want to 740 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: get him in the room and get him on the 741 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: board and kind of get a feelful what does he 742 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: know because he hasn't played a lot. He's made some plays. Um, 743 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: he kind of took over and kind of popped the 744 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: last half of the season when Divinity left, he got 745 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: his shot. That was that was in season this. Yeah, 746 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: So so I need to just know where he is 747 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: and how much time will he need to really develop 748 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: into being a starter. But the athleticism is there. And 749 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: I think the same thing with Kenna Murray. Kenn and Murray. 750 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: We have seen him be a blissed We've seen him 751 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: playing coverage, We've seen all the things that he can 752 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: do as a player. It doesn't matter what does he 753 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: slot in. I think both of these guys are obviously 754 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: first round picks. I think the bottom third, bottom part 755 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: of the first round is kind of where they're here. 756 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: The names into twenties, both good players, both players that 757 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: we were talking about. I'll tell you a guy that 758 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: i've that i've that I watched and I was really, 759 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: really um excited about his play and I reached out 760 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 1: to a scout and nask and he's like, keep him quiet, 761 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, he's going senior Bowl. I can't 762 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: keep him quiet. And that's Logan Wilson from Wyoming UM. 763 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: He is on a lower level of athletes than the 764 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: guys that we've just talked about, other than Zach Bond. 765 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: His actually his numbers are very very close to Zach Bond. 766 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: He ran a four six three. I thought he might 767 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: be at about a four six nine. You need to 768 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: break that four seven mark. People want inside linebackers to 769 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: be below four seven. Four six three is a really 770 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: good time for him. He did not run a second time. 771 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: I think he was happy with what he saw and like, 772 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 1: that's it. That's what I wanted. Um good vertical, good 773 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: broad jump. But he plays with such body control, balance, 774 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 1: His instincts are off the charts, does a great job 775 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: of dropping and intercepting and deflecting passes in space. He's 776 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: a guy that really quietly I think is going to 777 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: shoot up to the back half of the second round, 778 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe into the early third, because I think he is 779 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: a start early linebacker who's smart, instinctive, and what he 780 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: showed was an athletic profile that we weren't sure if 781 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: he had it. And that's what the combines about, is 782 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: is this ability to to bump you from third to 783 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: second with an athletic profile. Yeah, I think that is 784 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: that is really true. And also because of the linebackers 785 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: being very very thin in terms of the high end talent, 786 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of guys there, so those guys 787 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: that naturally creep up the board because if it's a 788 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: position of deed, you're going to have to make a 789 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: play for one of those linebackers early. He absolutely could 790 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: be a guy that we talked about top one. He 791 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: can be in the mix and he kind of creeps 792 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: into that conversation maybe at the bottom of the second 793 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: for sure in the third round, yeah, I would say 794 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: for sure. I don't. I don't think he gets out 795 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: of the top one hundred at all. There's a lot 796 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: of teams that like him. It's just a matter of 797 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: and he benefits from from it being a weaker linebacker class, 798 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: there's no question of benefits because once you know that 799 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: guy's gone, and it and it drops off and it 800 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: turns into a rush to get that last guy. Yeah, 801 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: so he's gonna be in the conversation. Just like a 802 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: lot of these guys that we saw UH today on 803 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: the turf, they will be in the conversation. Is actually 804 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: a fantastic set of workouts. On day three, d line 805 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: was impressive. Linebackers have a couple of guys that can flash. UH. 806 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: But day four, the last day we get a chance 807 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: to see the DBS, it should look like a track meet. 808 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: That should be fun. 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