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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Giants' Top one hundred Players,

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Speaker 1: presented by Bud Light. I'm Bob Papa, joined by Bob Glauber,

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Speaker 1: longtime writer for the National Football League covering the New

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants, and Bob was part of the Blue

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Speaker 1: Ribbon panel that we assembled in compiling the top one

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Speaker 1: hundred players in Giants' history. And Bob, you know, over

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Speaker 1: five thousand players of one of Giants uniforms since nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Really unique challenge in trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: who fits and in what eras, and how to judge

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Speaker 1: the numbers from the different eras.

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Speaker 2: That you know, you said, the different eras, that is

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Speaker 2: the big challenge. You know, you're talking about players you're

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Speaker 2: familiar with. I covered Show and I cover Plex Goo.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I know that it's a little bit easier players from

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Speaker 2: the thirties and forties and you know, and twenties.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a little bit more challenging.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you do your research and you do

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Speaker 2: your homework, you talk to people and you kind of

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Speaker 2: get a sense of who ranks were. And it was

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Speaker 2: one of the most joyable, challenging things that you can do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a understanding the history of the franchise,

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Speaker 1: and it kind of all comes into play. And you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Sean Landetta. He comes in at number forty seven.

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Speaker 1: Shawn's first eight and a half years with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: all he did was win.

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Speaker 3: Two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: Voted to the All Decade Team by the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame not only in the eighties but in

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Speaker 1: the nineties. Sean, for you, how do you put this

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Speaker 1: in intellectual context when you think about being voted as

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Speaker 1: one of the top one hundred players.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you know, my first thought is

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Speaker 4: to think whoever was on that blue ribbon panel to

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Speaker 4: feel that I belonged, because certainly when you say those

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Speaker 4: numbers five thousand players and only one hundred, you know,

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Speaker 4: very easily you can say, you know, well, I may

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Speaker 4: have played well, but certainly wouldn't be on that list.

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Speaker 4: So it's a great, great honor to be on that

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Speaker 4: list for any team, but especially a team like the

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Speaker 4: New York Giants with their history.

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Speaker 3: Lambetta's kick a beauty. That's a fifty.

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Speaker 5: Five yard back to the fifteen yard line.

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Speaker 1: Very lucky.

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Speaker 4: I think that I played here when I did, It's

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Speaker 4: such a great group of teammates, tremendous coaches you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: we were fortunate to win two Super Bowls, and you know,

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Speaker 4: just a great, great time in my career. I did

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Speaker 4: cherish my years here and again, just very grateful to

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Speaker 4: be part of this.

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Speaker 1: And Plexico number forty six on the list. I remember

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Speaker 1: the news came across the Plexico Burus had signed with

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants, and I remember saying, that's the

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Speaker 1: ticket now, to be voted one of the top one

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Speaker 1: hundred players in franchise history and inside the top fifty.

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Speaker 1: When you reflect upon all of it, does it seem real?

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Speaker 3: I was. I was surprised.

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Speaker 6: I was sitting at my desk on I believe it

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Speaker 6: was a Saturday when you reached out to me and

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Speaker 6: called me and said that, you know, I've been selected

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Speaker 6: amongst the top one hundred players to ever well New

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Speaker 6: York Giants uniform. And I just said to myself, I

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Speaker 6: was like, wow, I kind of just you know, sat

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Speaker 6: great players and all the great teams that came before me.

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Speaker 6: You know, being a kid going up in Virginia, we

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Speaker 6: didn't really have we didn't have professional football so the

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Speaker 6: only time I got to see the New York Giants

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Speaker 6: on TV was when they were playing Washington, and just

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Speaker 6: you know, going back to that and you know, watching

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Speaker 6: and for me to be sitting here today selected the Monks,

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Speaker 6: you know, the top football players to ever play.

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Speaker 3: For this organization.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's on and the privilege, and I just

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Speaker 6: think for you know, everybody New York Giants and the organization.

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Speaker 3: Before, including me.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Washington. You can't talk about the Giants in

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Speaker 1: Washington without talking about the nineteen eighty six NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 1: And this man right here was literally the central figure

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Speaker 1: and all that The wind the Giants stadium back in

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Speaker 1: wind patterns was brutal. And Bill Parcells defers the opening

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Speaker 1: kickoff to play the wind game, and your teammates say

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Speaker 1: that it is arguably the greatest game ever by a

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Speaker 1: punter because you were a key component in keeping Washington

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was very fortunate that day. I

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Speaker 4: appreciate them saying that there certainly were many other guys

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Speaker 4: I thought more valuable than me. But you know, I

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Speaker 4: was kind of lucky that I got to practice in

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Speaker 4: it every single day. I mean every Sunday before the game,

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Speaker 4: the other kicker and punter would come right over to

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Speaker 4: me and say, what's going on in this place? And

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Speaker 4: I said, I don't really know what to tell you,

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Speaker 4: and because it was so difficult, but I was very

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Speaker 4: lucky to be able to practice it in every day.

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Speaker 3: Here's Lamada's pa. That's a great punt against the winds.

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Speaker 5: The Giants are going up down on inside the five

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Speaker 4: But more important, just very fortunate that that day to

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Speaker 4: And well, you know, we'll always be very happy about that, obviously,

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Speaker 4: because that was certainly one of the great days in

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Speaker 2: Phil Simms talks about that that performance of yours a lot,

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Speaker 2: and he said, that's one of the most underrated, you know,

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Speaker 2: performances ever and played such a key role in that game.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for you personally, I know it was important,

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Speaker 2: and you know it was the beginning still the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Of a very very long career.

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Speaker 2: I know you came to the Giants from the USFL

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Speaker 2: and we're telling this story. I did a story for

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Speaker 2: Newsday about the edition of the seventeenth NFL game.

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Speaker 3: Own players are saying, oh, it's.

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Speaker 2: A lot, and I reached out to Sean and Bart outs.

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Speaker 2: They played forty three games in less than a year,

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Speaker 2: including preseason between the USFL Stars and the New York

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Speaker 2: Giants in eighty five. All right, they're exhausted, and then

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Speaker 2: the Bears beat them.

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Speaker 3: They're exhausted.

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Speaker 2: But then that next year it kind of all came together,

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Speaker 2: and you were such a big part of that in

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Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate you know. I can remember Bart having

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Speaker 4: feel he goes You know, I'm barely getting by. I

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Speaker 4: mean as a center going through what he has to

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Speaker 4: go to. As you said, forty some games in fifty

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Speaker 4: two weeks. And you know, all punters have back soreness,

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Speaker 4: legs soreness. But I couldn't even think of being sore

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Speaker 4: again all those games in a short window. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's interesting that maybe the NFL at some point is

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Speaker 4: they deserve it. But yeah, we came from a league

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Speaker 2: You know. Another challenge for Sean was he followed a

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Speaker 2: legend in Dave Jennings. I mean, Dave Jennings was a

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Speaker 2: there were bad teams that he starred on and you

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I was very fortunate, and Dave was a

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Speaker 4: here I am ten eleven years younger than him, and

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Speaker 4: he may not treat me so well. I'm coming to

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Speaker 4: take his job. He's been a great punter here for years,

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Speaker 4: but he could not have been more fair, friendly and polite.

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Speaker 4: And I remember that first year. Every Monday night I

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Speaker 4: and he was just so great to me as a

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Speaker 1: You know, Plaxago, we talked about Sean in an NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game having one of his greatest games. Well, one

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Speaker 1: of your greatest games came in an NFC Championship game

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven NFC Championship game in Green Bay

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Speaker 1: against the Packers.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to lambeau Field in Green Bay for the seed

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Speaker 5: Championship game, the second coldest game ever at lambeau Field

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Speaker 1: And Al Harris kind of tweaked you a little bit

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Speaker 1: leading into all that.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 6: We lost to them pretty handily here in giant Stateum

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Speaker 6: I bet I think it'd been like forty points.

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Speaker 2: On this and sixteen that you were so physically challenging

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Speaker 3: How challenging is that a lot of people don't notice.

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Speaker 6: Al Harris was the one that I was running a

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Speaker 3: Man, we're never We're not going to play these guys again.

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Speaker 6: I says, we get to the nca Championship game, and

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Speaker 6: And I believe it was that Monday, Sam Madison came

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Speaker 6: did to Al Harris, but Al Harrison he's gonna shut

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Speaker 3: I was like, man, get out of my face. Man,

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Speaker 6: So I'm in the locker room before the game starts

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Speaker 6: national television he says, he said, oh, this is Green Bay.

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Speaker 6: He knows what he's going to get. He's going to

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Speaker 6: get me in his face all day, and that really

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Speaker 1: Manning from the gun back to throw hips one first

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Speaker 1: hans it on the run of the forty and knocked

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Speaker 5: For as he beat Al Harris on the.

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Speaker 1: Plant, looks right, throws right looking.

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Speaker 4: For Burress, who makes the catch over the defender after

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Speaker 3: He went hand in hand with Al Harris.

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Speaker 1: And he beat him.

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Speaker 5: Man he takes back to throw, he wins it over

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Speaker 4: He turned around Al.

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Speaker 5: Harris hundred pounds of the eleven yard line of Green Bay.

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Speaker 6: Gook this. I was a big film guy, was a

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Speaker 6: big study guy. Al one of those guys where if

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Speaker 3: He would run with you.

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Speaker 6: He would try to armball you because he was so

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Speaker 3: Okay, seventeenth thirteen.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I had watched so much Fimo Ellis

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Speaker 6: If you watch the game the pregame, men, Eli was

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like repetition.

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Speaker 6: We can do it with our eyes closed, and there

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Speaker 1: Man, and call it check us take the snap looks

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Speaker 4: How unheart does this field?

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Speaker 6: What's come I hanging to win many just so all

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't think I've ever asked you. This's

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Speaker 4: I mean, it must be so amazing. Do you ever

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Speaker 1: Well, the impact of it that you talked about up

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Man, it's something that you know, obviously, you could never

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Speaker 1: That commonality between your championship teams and you're his championship

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Speaker 4: You know I try and tell fans sometimes, I know

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Speaker 1: Sean, I want to ask you about number forty one

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Speaker 1: on this list, Barto as a teammate, a leader, and

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Speaker 4: Great, great thoughts about him. Number one as a person.

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Speaker 3: It was fine.

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Speaker 4: And he never got angry. But he looked at me

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Speaker 1: But I didn't want him to know.

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Speaker 3: And he goes, it was high.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't. I said, it was just fine. You know,

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Speaker 4: the best pass blockers, if not the best pass blocker

444
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 4: in the NFL when he played so nimble for a

445
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 4: big guy and absolutely deserves to be on that list

446
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 4: where he is.

447
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: Let me go to number forty eight on this list.

448
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 1: Teammate of yours, Jeremy Shockey, incredible player. He called me

449
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: back like three different times after I called him the

450
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: town that he was in the top one hundred, screaming

451
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 1: of joy and happiness and shock. And he called me

452
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: thinking that I was punking him or something like that.

453
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 3: But what was he like as a teammate.

454
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 6: I tell everybody this that man, he's a great person.

455
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 6: And I narrowed my decision down to come to play

456
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 6: in New York because I wanted to play with Jemmy Shock.

457
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 6: I understood offensively, this guy in New York is so dynamic,

458
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 6: and he plays with an attitude, and he plays with

459
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 6: a purpose and a passion that you want to be

460
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 6: a part of. It was just a pure joy to

461
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,239
Speaker 6: be able to be in the locker room with him

462
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 6: every day and take the football fill with him because man,

463
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 6: I seen them helmet pop off and trying to run

464
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 6: guys over with no helmet on, and I get back

465
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 6: to the I get back to the huddling, like, what

466
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 6: the hell are you doing, man? You don't have a

467
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 6: helmet on. And he was that kind of player.

468
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: Man.

469
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 6: He was just so passionate about his craft and his

470
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 6: position that sometimes it was you know, it was here,

471
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 6: it was off the roof, but you just enjoyed playing

472
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 6: with them as a player.

473
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 2: Incredibly, one of the most passionate players I've ever seen.

474
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 3: He was like a coult you know, he was a

475
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: wild horse, and he needed to dial it back a

476
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,239
Speaker 3: little bit.

477
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: Maybe that held him back in some ways and career wise,

478
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: but the talent was off the charts.

479
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: Another tight ends on this listed forty three Bob Tucker,

480
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: who was a brilliant player. He was the first tight

481
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: end to lead the league in receptions in nineteen seventy one.

482
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: So you know, again we talk about, you know, today's

483
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: era and how tight ends are used, and you think

484
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: at Kelsey at Kansas City and Gronkowsk, you know, but

485
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: the Giants were kind of ahead of the curve with

486
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: how they use their tight ends, especially with Fran Tarkington.

487
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and it sounds funny, right, he had fifty

488
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: nine catches to lead the league. Different game, you know,

489
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: they could grab the guys all the way down the field.

490
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: But a brilliant football player a ton of catches in

491
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: that era, and he was. He was a very smooth player.

492
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: He just was an effortless route runner. Just a personal

493
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: thing about Bob Tucker. One time, my father had a friend.

494
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: His cousin was a big Giants fan. He took me

495
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: to my first game at Yankee Stadium and he knew

496
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: Bob Tucker.

497
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 3: Bob Tucker came to our house.

498
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: My grandmother had to be at the house and my

499
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: father's cousin introduces, hey, Estelle, this is This is Bob Tucker.

500
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 3: He plays for the New York Giants. My grandmother's five too.

501
00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: She goes any good so and he was very magnanimous

502
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: about it.

503
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: But that you know, he just had it and he

504
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: was a very very polished player. And again, the route

505
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 2: running was just it just made it very very easy

506
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: for whoever it is.

507
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of fitting that Shocky and Tucker are

508
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: in this group because Tucker held the Giants record for

509
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: most receptions by a tight end until Jeremy Shockey broke it.

510
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: Tucker still holds the record for Giants tight ends for

511
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: the most receiving yards. Rodney Hampton comes in at number

512
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: forty five, your teammate on Super Bowl twenty five. You

513
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: know it's a crowded room. He comes into with a

514
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: lot of really good players at the running back spot,

515
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: but he changed the dynamic of what the Giants rushing

516
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: attack looked like before he got hurt.

517
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Rodney was terrific. You know. I can remember his

518
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: rookie year in nineteen ninety. We were there in training

519
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 4: camp and I'd always get in the ice bucket to

520
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 4: cool my legs down so they wouldn't get sore from punning.

521
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 4: And I can remember early on I said, Rodney, come

522
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 4: and see me to practice. And you know, he's twenty

523
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 4: year old rookie and doesn't really know me. And I

524
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 4: get in the ice bath I said, I want you

525
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 4: to start doing this. I think this is going to

526
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 4: be good for you. And his eyes kind of got

527
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 4: big and he's like, I don't know about that, and

528
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: I just said, just trust me, it'll be good for you.

529
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 4: And even to this day, when I see Rodney, he's like,

530
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 4: man that was so great that you told me to

531
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 4: get in that ice bath early, you know, just because

532
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 4: his legs were how he made his living. But just

533
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 4: what a wonderful guy. Besides a great player, had five

534
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 4: or six thousand yard seasons. And I know him. He

535
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 4: and Otis kid each other sometimes Rodney will say, you know, Otis,

536
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 4: You're lucky I got hurt because if I didn't get hurt,

537
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: I'd have been Super Bowl MVP in twenty five. You know,

538
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 4: they go back and forth with that. But what a

539
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 4: great career Rodney had. Terrific player and even better person.

540
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: Well, I ask you from a specialist standpoint. Pete Gogoloc,

541
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: one of the original soccer style kickers, was one of

542
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: the great giants of all time.

543
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: Now you talk about a historic deal, I mean soccer

544
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 4: style kicking. You he's he's like the guy in the beginning,

545
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: and that was a big deal, you know when he

546
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: started doing that, and to play for the Giants as

547
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 4: long as he did, and from what I understood, he

548
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 4: you know, he stayed in the area, had a very

549
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 4: successful career after football in New York. And you know,

550
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: but just one of the guys, one of your original

551
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: sidewinders if you will. You know now that for years

552
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 4: there's just been generations of soccer style kickers, and you know,

553
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: he was like the original guy.

554
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: And still holds the franchise record for the most points scored. Yes,

555
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: and also that's pretty amazing after night, it really is.

556
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: And he helped form the the NFL as it is

557
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: today because he signed from Buffalo with the Giants. So

558
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: he left the American League and went to the National

559
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: Football League and it kind of created this signing war.

560
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: The Giant and the NFL had been losing players, but

561
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: once Googlack signed, that really signaled the beginning of the

562
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: NFL's kind of war with the AFL and then the

563
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: eventual merger that you know in both leagues.

564
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: Bob at number forty four on this is Jack Stroud,

565
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: who played one hundred and thirty two games for the Giants,

566
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: part of that nineteen fifty six championship team on the

567
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: offensive line. The guy helped the Giants get to six

568
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: NFL championship games. He went to the Pro Bowl three times.

569
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: He was a multiple first team or second team All Pro.

570
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: That tradition and that thread of championship teams and offensive

571
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: lines goes back and back and back.

572
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really does.

573
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: And Stroud is probably you think Rosie Brown is the

574
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: iconic offensive lineman for the Giants, but Stroud is right there.

575
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: And you talk championship pedigree, he had it and then

576
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: some and you know, those teams were kind of defined

577
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: by what their lines did, and he was as good

578
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: as there was.

579
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: Number forty nine on this list. If you're a certain

580
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: age and you say Spider, everybody knows Spider. Lockhart third

581
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: in franchise history and interceptions, behind only Emlyintonelle and Jimmy Patton.

582
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: One hundred and forty five games as a Giant, a

583
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: pro bowler. You know, this is a guy that, during

584
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: the lean years, was one of the shining bright spots

585
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: that the New York Giants had.

586
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: So talented, he was athletic, he was very, very fluid,

587
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: very smooth, and he was a bullhawking defensive back, so

588
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: he got his share of interceptions. And back then, you know,

589
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: there were bad teams, but they were good defensive teams.

590
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: They would lose, but their defense generally showed up, and

591
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: Lockhart was at.

592
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: The front of that line.

593
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: Spite of Lockhart was one of the beacons of hope.

594
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: You guys wore his patch during Super Bowl twenty one

595
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: as a player. Did you guys as a group understand

596
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: the signal? Because he had been battling cancer and he

597
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: died and the Spider Lockhart patch forty three was on,

598
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: Did you guys understand what he meant to this franchise?

599
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: Initially? I don't know how many of us did. Certainly

600
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: we all knew who he was because he's been such

601
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 4: a great player here for so long. But you know,

602
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: not very often you see it more today, but back then,

603
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 4: very seldom did you see a team put a patch

604
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: on a jersey for a player. So I think all

605
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: of us, you know, really understood what he meant to

606
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: the team. I learned a lot more about him, you know,

607
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: what kind of player he was. And you know, it

608
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: turns out that that year we won the Super Bowl,

609
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's easy to look at a picture,

610
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: you know, and you can know right away it's that

611
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: Super Bowl season where you see that white patch with

612
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: the red spider on it, and you know it was

613
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: something different because you know, I'd never been through that

614
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: before where you had a patch, and but you know,

615
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: certainly he deserved that and so great that you know

616
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 4: the year that was on.

617
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: There that we were able to win the Super Bowl.

618
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Ray Flaherty comes in at number fifty. So this is

619
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: a guy who has his number one jersey retired Pro

620
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame nineteen seventy six, helped the Giants

621
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: win a championship in nineteen thirty four. This is a

622
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: guy who led the NFL and receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns,

623
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: yards per reception.

624
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Game.

625
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: He was a dominant figure in the NFL. Revolutionary player.

626
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: He dominated his time. And when you have a leading

627
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: receiver like that, when you have those championships, that kind

628
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: of you know, makes makes a mark.

629
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: And do you know this, he's the first football player,

630
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: professional football player in league history to have his number retired.

631
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: So he's the first player ever, first player ever in

632
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: the history of the National Football League to have his

633
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: number retired, number one.

634
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: And as jersey number was number one.

635
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, fitting, fitting, very fitting. You know, as we look

636
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: through this list and we kind of talk about players

637
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: of the past, covering both of these guys, I want

638
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: to get what was it like covering Sean Landetta.

639
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: I loved first of all, Sean was the best player

640
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: to interview because you didn't have to use a tape recorder.

641
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: He spoke very slowly. You could you could write down

642
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: all his answers. He had a he had a personality

643
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: that was great, and he loved it. You know, Sean

644
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: loved being there. I remember the Super Bowl. We're out

645
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: in Costa, Mesa at the team hotel. Fans are going

646
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: crazy for the Giants, right, I mean it is just

647
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: their they're rock stars. And we're in the hotel and

648
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: a crush of fans is in a lobby and you

649
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: come down out of a stairwell and say, is there

650
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: any even see a payphone around here? But and you

651
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: just but you're surrounded by these fans and you loved it.

652
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: But I think that kind of symbolizes that you loved

653
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: that moment. And he was a big moment type of player,

654
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: and you know, not everyone is like that, and Sean

655
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: rose to the occasion on so many times, and you know,

656
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: and his longevity was remarkable, but I know that that

657
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: first championship year was was pretty special and you really

658
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: reveled in.

659
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: Oh sure, you know I never played football to I

660
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: was a senior in high school and went to a

661
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: Division two school for to play well, and you know,

662
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: here you are, twenty two years old, You're you're in

663
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: the super Bowl, You're in the NFL twenty two, twenty three,

664
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: and you know, just just unbelievable.

665
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: You know, how is this happening?

666
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: It's something every kid wished, but now this is really

667
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: happening for you, and just you know I did, and

668
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: I'm so glad I took it all in, and you know,

669
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: it was just so happy to be part of it,

670
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: and you know, to talk to you guys every day

671
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: and you know, just to just loved every.

672
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Speaker 6: Part of it.

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00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm glad I felt that way about

674
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: it because even though I played all those years, they

675
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: went by so quick. But to be able to look

676
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: back and felt like you drank it all up, you

677
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: enjoyed all the things about it, because most guys, a

678
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: lot of guys will tell you because it goes so

679
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: quick that you know the old phrase, you don't stop

680
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: to smell the roses. And that's easy to do because

681
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: there's so much pressure to play well, practice, well are

682
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: they going to have me back next year? I got

683
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: to make the team, you know, but you know, I'm

684
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: just glad I tried to take all that in and

685
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: one of the reasons was as a punter, they only

686
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: keep one on every team, and you got to make

687
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: the team every year, so you hope to you would

688
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: be there, but you never knew how long you were

689
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: going to be there. So I think that was part

690
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 4: of it too, that it's like, well, you're here this year,

691
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: so you know, take it all in and I'm just

692
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: glad I.

693
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: Was able to do that, Bob. Obviously, Plexico different era.

694
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: When Seawan was there. We just go sit in the

695
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: locker room and those little tables in the locker room

696
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: and Matt Barr would be holding court and Sean would

697
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: be around. You can go from locker to locker. Bill Belichick,

698
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator lunchtime, would wheel that bike through to

699
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: ed a sandwich while he was watching, but he would

700
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: stop and talk to the press. Plaxico's time, it was

701
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: a little different, a lot more organized, a lot more restricted.

702
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: As you covered this group though, and watch them sort

703
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: of mature, and then in four Eli comes in and

704
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: then five they get to the playoffs, lose to Carolina.

705
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: They didn't play well. Then the Philadelphia come up a

706
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: little bit short. But watching this team, what was it

707
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: like being around these guys.

708
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: You know, there was a it was better than it

709
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: is now.

710
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: It's very restrictive now, but we got to know them

711
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: pretty well, I would say, and one of the the

712
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: unspoken and underrated aspects of that seven season. You know,

713
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: after six Kaflin had a problem.

714
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: Right, he was too intense. The players didn't want, they

715
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: didn't need him to just constantly like that. Right.

716
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: He brought writers in, he brought he spoke to everybody. Hey, like,

717
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: this is the coach of the New York Giants in

718
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: the seven offseason, saying, Bob, what can I do better?

719
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: Neil Best, what can I do better? He's bringing people in, said, well,

720
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, Tom, I knew you when you coached as receivers.

721
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: We could be with you. You you asked about our families.

722
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: You you know, you were just a normal guy.

723
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: They came to the team, and they came to the

724
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: team as a receivers coach from Green Bay, and it

725
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: was like show them that, show the players that you

726
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: know that you care more.

727
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: Call it by their first names.

728
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 2: You know, there's so much that you can do right now.

729
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: He writes it down on a memo pad, but he did.

730
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: He opened up, He became much more of a father figure, right,

731
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: and that allowed that team to blossom in a way

732
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: that it was an immediate.

733
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: Result of what he did. And he has star players.

734
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: You don't need to be told what to do all

735
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: the time like that, And I think it kind of

736
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: let it organically flow up and your potential was reached.

737
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: Is that a fair Yeah, yeah, I did.

738
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Speaker 6: But it was it was a little adjustment for me

739
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 6: coming from Pittsburgh because it was, you know, come as

740
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 6: you are, and you know, the media in Pittsburgh was

741
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 6: like four or five people in the locker room, and

742
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 6: I come here and it's like forty and it's you know,

743
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 6: nobody really cared about practice. But when I you were

744
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 6: here in New York, if you dropped the ball in practice,

745
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 6: it was it was it made the news like this

746
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 6: is crazy, it's a drop ball in practice. But I

747
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 6: would say with Kauflin, you know, when I first got here,

748
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 6: it was it was a little you know, like iron

749
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 6: or iron kind of deal, and I didn't really understand

750
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 6: a lot of the things that you know, were going on.

751
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 6: I tried my best to do to to kind of

752
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 6: you know, go along with you know what he was,

753
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 6: his coaching style but in that old seven year he

754
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 6: did former committee of guys, and he did become a

755
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 6: little bit more lenient and some of his rules and

756
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 6: different things like that, and it did translate into into us,

757
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 6: you know, believing in the system, becoming close as a team,

758
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 6: and really buying into.

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00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: What you know he was teaching and coaching guys.

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Speaker 1: This has been a tremendous honor to sit with you,

761
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Flexico Sean, and to celebrate this top one hundred list

762
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: with two men that are You can't write the history.

763
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: That was one of the things that we used as

764
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a determining point, right, Can you write the history of

765
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: the franchise without these players?

766
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: No, you cannot.

767
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 6: Well one more thing, man, I just want to say

768
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 6: thank you to Ernie of course, for you know, bringing

769
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 6: me here and believing in me that I could bring

770
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 6: this franchise the world championship. In his book The GM,

771
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 6: he wrote a chapter for me, a chapter four. And

772
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 6: I will always be grateful for Ernie and bringing me

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00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 6: here to this great organization.

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00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: It was a huge move and very aggressive and needed.

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00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I can second that, you know, George Young

776
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: the same thing with me. You know, I'm never here

777
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: if it's not for George Young he was from Baltimore. Uh,

778
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: he kind of knew about me at Towson, uh when

779
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: not too many people did. And I don't believe I

780
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: ever would have been a New York Giant without him.

781
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 4: So always would be grateful to George and certainly Bill

782
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: and everyone else who gave me the opportunity to be

783
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: a New York Giant. And again thanks to the committee

784
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: who chose.

785
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: To be on this list.

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Speaker 1: It's great plexico sean, great poplations, a lot of fun.

787
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Speaker 1: Make sure you check out all the Giants social media

788
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Speaker 1: platforms as we continue our countdown to the Top one hundred.

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