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Speaker 2: Knowing that Rand Paul has been the face, at least

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Speaker 2: the Republican face of the war powers debate on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 2: at least in the Upper Chamber, I started our conversation,

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Speaker 2: and we have a lot to talk about. Remember, he's

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Speaker 2: the chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security, so he's

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Speaker 2: going to be the man who has to usher in

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Speaker 2: Mark Wayne Mullen, and I'm pretty sure these two are

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Speaker 2: not friends. We talked about the hearing that will take place,

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Speaker 2: the confirmation hearing next week, but starting with the war

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Speaker 2: in Iran. I asked the Senator if he believes this

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Speaker 2: is an illegal war.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Well, you know the thing about the debate over awards,

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Speaker 3: one of the most important debates we have. Our founding

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Speaker 3: fathers had an extensive discussion over this, the Constitutional Convention,

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Speaker 3: the Federalist papers.

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Speaker 1: They all had strong feelings.

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Speaker 3: But interesting, even though there were differences between Hamilton and Jefferson,

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Speaker 3: really they all came together and said they didn't want

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Speaker 3: the president of the power to initiate or declare war.

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Speaker 3: They wanted that power to be with Congress. So this

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Speaker 3: is a very important, if not the most important congressional

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Speaker 3: debate we have over war powers and over the Constitution,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I think the Constitution's very clear you go

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Speaker 3: to war, and war should be initiated through Congress. And

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Speaker 3: the reason our founding fathers made it so is they

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Speaker 3: didn't like war. They wanted war to be less often,

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Speaker 2: So last week, then in that failed vote, Congress voted

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Speaker 2: to abdicate its duties its powers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, war the War Powers Act. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: War Powers Acts as you have to have either a

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Speaker 3: or there has to be imminent danger.

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Speaker 1: That's really what our judgment should be.

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Speaker 3: And so many of the arguments that came from this

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Speaker 1: Don't hold water.

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Speaker 3: They said, well, they've been at war with us for

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Speaker 3: forty seven years, and I said, well, that doesn't sound

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Speaker 3: very imminent. That kind of sounds like you might have

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it sounds like you see this as an illegal action.

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Speaker 3: Then yeah, I don't think this is what our founding

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Speaker 3: I continue to support these war powers action to try

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Speaker 2: So will that make it difficult for you to vote

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Speaker 2: to support a supplemental budget request assuming that does arrive?

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Speaker 2: As we've heard, I.

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Speaker 3: Think the biggest threat to our country and to our

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Speaker 3: soundly because right now our military, we spend more on

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Speaker 3: They used to be spent wisely, but they've spent an

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Speaker 1: We've had two wars in one month.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for goodness sakes, they're talking about another war

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Speaker 1: So yeah, they cost money.

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Speaker 3: They cost laws most importantly, but they also cost money.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just not for I'm not wasn't for the

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Speaker 2: You're chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security. Are you

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Speaker 2: hearing about domestic terror threats that we need to know about.

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Speaker 2: There's been a great concern about sleeper cells, about lone wolves.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I don't have specific knowledge that it has. We

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some have worried that the fact that DHS, the department,

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Speaker 2: not your committee, is closed right now is making us

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how much DHS actually does. I

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Speaker 3: don't know those people who believe. Of course, the FBI

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Speaker 1: Look for people who are in the country that might

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Speaker 3: There are aspects of crossing of borders that make a difference.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I'm one of those who after nine

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Speaker 3: necessarily make us safer interesting, So I would rather the

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Speaker 1: Which is what the department from my insecurity has become.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that you've got TSA workers who are

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Speaker 2: going to start missing paychecks if they aren't already. I

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Speaker 1: I've been for a reform of this. I think what

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Speaker 3: If you work for the government and I have a

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Speaker 3: it's a breach of contract.

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Speaker 1: We should just keep paying everybody. The appropriations could be.

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Speaker 3: For a lot of other things that are optional, but

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Speaker 1: I fly all the time. Frankly, I want my air

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Speaker 3: To be well paid, well rested, and not unhappy when

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Speaker 3: And this is you know, this isn't the first time

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Speaker 3: a reform that anytime we have a shutdown, the contract aspect.

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Speaker 1: Of the workers that we pay should just go on

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Speaker 2: Well, so what's it going to take to reopen this agency?

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Speaker 2: And would maybe a new secretary do the trick? You're

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Speaker 1: Hearing next week? Give all the PaperWorks done?

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Speaker 3: There has to be an FBI background check, and there

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Speaker 3: has to be some ethics documents, and the minority party

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Speaker 1: At these understood, these are things we agreed to. If

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Speaker 3: Overall my suggestion, I'm not sure they're going to listen

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Speaker 1: My suggestion would be to.

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Speaker 3: Acknowledge that there have been failures with ICE and that

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Speaker 1: As to how their agents behaved.

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Speaker 3: When I had the agents come in recently, the head

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Speaker 1: You know, if I'm me to you and I'm the

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Speaker 3: He said, okay for me to lunge at you and

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Speaker 1: So I think ICE needs to announce that.

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Speaker 3: They kind of in our hearing admitted that all the

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Speaker 1: And Homan kind of did some of this. They removed

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Speaker 3: They quit doing the confrontation, and they also said that

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Speaker 1: Things that were going on in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: But you know, really, since he showed up and removed

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Speaker 2: Demasking has been a line for most Republicans. Is it

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Speaker 3: I think that there might be a time when a

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Speaker 1: So I think in our cities, in.

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Speaker 3: Areas where the other police officers are masked, there's no

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Speaker 3: an absolute that no masks, But I would say when

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Speaker 1: I think leads to bad behavior. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the nomination of Senator Mark

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Speaker 2: Wayne Mullen? And did the senator from Oklahoma jeopardize his

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Speaker 2: standing with you with some of the colorful language he

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Speaker 2: used to describe you last month? You'll follow the chairman

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Speaker 2: of Snake.

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Speaker 3: You'll find out more if you come to the nomination here.

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Speaker 3: I promise you they'll We'll be a good and fulsome hearing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sounds like everyone sees him getting this job, though,

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Speaker 2: will he be confirmed in the.

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Speaker 1: End, We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Okay. President Trump's on his way lucky today the affordability

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Speaker 2: tour lands in Tom Massey's districts. What are people in

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Speaker 2: Kentucky telling you about three dollars and twenty cent gas?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a big supporter of Thomas Massey. I

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Speaker 3: He released some material yesterday that was pretty extraordinary. His opponent, actually,

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Speaker 3: when Donald Trump won the nomination in twenty sixteen, left

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Speaker 3: the party in discussed so It's ironic that the president

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Speaker 3: much that he left the party only came back into

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Speaker 3: a certain amount of irony there, and voters actually know

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Speaker 3: this stuff, and this.

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Speaker 1: Will be all over It is all over television.

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Speaker 3: Right now that his opponent basically left the party because

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Speaker 1: So can he get over that irony? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to say, well,

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Speaker 3: what's up with this? You know, But there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of respect for Thomas Massey. I mean, look, he took

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Speaker 3: an issue that the President had promoted, revealing the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: President was all for it.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massey took that issue and ran with it, and

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Speaker 3: issue the president supported until the President didn't support the

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Speaker 1: Think about the.

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Speaker 3: Effectiveness of a guy who only had three Republican allies

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Speaker 3: the President signed it. That is an extraordinary feat. So

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people see that Thomas fact.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massey is quite effective, and I would say, he's

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Speaker 3: also the most fiscally conservative member of the House. It's

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Speaker 2: Indeed, you have a lot in common, and to your point,

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Speaker 2: you will campaign for him for his reelection.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Do you have plans to be on the stump any

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Speaker 2: time soon.

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Speaker 1: I've already done two days with him.

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Speaker 3: I have two days coming up in two weeks and

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Speaker 3: we just added another two days, So I will spend

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Speaker 3: a lot of time in the district. We're raising money

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Speaker 3: for him, and he will be outspent. They'll probably spend

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Speaker 3: twenty to thirty million trying to defeat a republic which

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Speaker 3: really is to me a waste of money to try

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Speaker 3: to beat a Republican.

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Speaker 1: But they're also trying to beat the most conservative member

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Speaker 1: lost on a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: And you think he keeps his job. It sounds like I.

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Speaker 1: Think he has a very good chance of winning.

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Speaker 3: It won't be easy, you know, but I think he

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Speaker 3: has a very good chance of still winning.