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Speaker 2: This is Drive Time with Travis Wingfield.
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Speaker 5: Wad Wadle to a shotgun back to throw, looking at
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Speaker 3: It's Waddle his sixth touchdown.
Speaker 2: Patown tea.
Speaker 3: Drive Time with Travis Wingfield begins.
Speaker 2: Now let me check your pulse if you're not for.
Speaker 3: What is up? Dolphins?
Speaker 5: And welcome to the Drive Time podcast, part of the
Speaker 5: Miami Dolphins Podcast Network, covering your team, your Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 5: How's it going everybody? I am your host, Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 5: And on today's episode, we have our summer content officially
Speaker 5: here for you guys, and I'm very fired up about this.
Speaker 5: We're doing it a little bit different this year. I
Speaker 5: have seventeen player interviews we're going to play over the
Speaker 5: course of the next six or seven weeks or so.
Speaker 5: We're also gonna get traded for training camp come a
Speaker 5: few weeks from now. But right now we're focusing on
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty three NFL ski's in preview and it
Speaker 5: kicks off today with my guest Cameron Woolf from NFL
Speaker 5: Network to break down the AFC South. We're also gonna
Speaker 5: hear from Dolphins fullback alec Ingold. Plenty to come your
Speaker 5: way from the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health
Speaker 5: Training Complex.
Speaker 3: This is the Draft Time podcast. Heye Gaff.
Speaker 5: We're gonna kick this thing off with the very first
Speaker 5: interview I did during media day and also one of
Speaker 5: my favorite folks to talk to you around the entire building,
Speaker 5: Dolphins fullback alec Ingold. What's up, guys, Travis Plainfield here
Speaker 5: back with Dolphins full back Alec Ingle.
Speaker 3: This is one hundred yards.
Speaker 5: We're gonna make a way across the practice field here.
Speaker 1: Alec.
Speaker 5: How you been, Matt? How's the offeason going?
Speaker 1: Off seasons good? We're with the boys. We're you know,
Speaker 1: in that mini cam Ota grind. It's been good. Every
Speaker 1: single week you get a new little challenge from coach McDaniel.
Speaker 1: It's been fun to embrace that throughout this whole sole operation.
Speaker 1: It's fun to be out here in South Florida. It's
Speaker 1: not super hot yet, you know what I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying, not quite yet, six seven o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 5: a couple of hours will be a little toastier, but
Speaker 5: you find a chance to actually get back on the field.
Speaker 5: For ota is this time of year that's kinda feel
Speaker 5: way better this year, so much better.
Speaker 1: You feel like you are a part of the team.
Speaker 1: When you get onto you sign that contract and we talked,
Speaker 1: we sat right away, But until you're on the field
Speaker 1: with the guys, it's a little bit different. And every
Speaker 1: single year so many new people coming in. It's a
Speaker 1: new opportunity. So like to be at the very start
Speaker 1: on the field with the guys. It's it's been a
Speaker 1: big blessing for sure.
Speaker 5: You had the orange jersey the other day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it just me?
Speaker 5: It was a too big on you can they get
Speaker 5: you please?
Speaker 1: It looked like the JV penny from like, you know,
Speaker 1: a local high school or something that's it didn't even
Speaker 1: fit like it was a varsity jersey.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a tough deal.
Speaker 5: I was looking forward to asking that. I was like, man,
Speaker 5: get this guy jersey that fits you earned it for
Speaker 5: the player of the day.
Speaker 2: Give me jersey.
Speaker 3: It fits.
Speaker 5: So you mentioned you're getting married here pretty soon. You
Speaker 5: picked a good time. The little mini break we get
Speaker 5: tell us about the wedding with the plans.
Speaker 2: Who's the man.
Speaker 1: We are going up to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and my best
Speaker 1: man is my best friend in high school. He's an
Speaker 1: eighth grade teacher and man, we're gonna have a blast
Speaker 1: up there. It's gonna be on a golf course, got
Speaker 1: friends and family, big old Catholic wedding, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun time. Excited to see all the family
Speaker 1: up in Wisconsin this summer. You gonna all get it
Speaker 1: around it before the summer morning, I think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I think I had to talk to somebody about getting
Speaker 1: that Friday AMT time going there.
Speaker 5: You go, ab the dogs with you.
Speaker 1: Dogs are gonna make the road trip. We're actually driving
Speaker 1: up so you know what's that twenty four hours, twenty
Speaker 1: six hours all the way up there. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a long drive for us, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: worth it. Get the dogs up there running around on
Speaker 1: some grass. It's gonna be a good time to just
Speaker 1: get away for a little bit, see family, and then
Speaker 1: come right back ready to roll. For training camp.
Speaker 5: You've got a really exciting year two come up here
Speaker 5: for the Miami Dolphins, and you know, speaking of that
Speaker 5: year two in the offense, you know, going back over
Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel Stopps under Kyle Shanahan in previous places, second
Speaker 5: year has really been when the offense takes off and
Speaker 5: you guys started off pretty good last year. I'm curious
Speaker 5: to get your depending on how year two of the
Speaker 5: offense can kind of, you know, go to that next level.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like being fast, being physical, having
Speaker 1: an understanding of the concept they're trying to teach us.
Speaker 1: You're not just asking like what you're doing, You're asking
Speaker 1: why you can do it. And to have that deeper
Speaker 1: understanding of the offense. I think that's going to play
Speaker 1: well for us. So now it's just on the players
Speaker 1: to execute, hold that high standard and be the best
Speaker 1: versions of ourselves.
Speaker 5: So this is the one hundred yards walking talk with
Speaker 5: Travis Wingfield. We're supposed to go this way to goal
Speaker 5: line to goal line, So I wanted to ask you
Speaker 5: we're kind of the two yard line here. Yeah, when
Speaker 5: you get down here, what's your favorite play call?
Speaker 1: Ah? Shoot, I'm a like inside zone with my guy
Speaker 1: Raheem most you're getting the ball with the ball.
Speaker 2: I don't want the ball. I don't want Raheem scoring.
Speaker 1: I want him to do his You know, we're diving,
Speaker 1: we're swimming a little bit surfing. When you get your
Speaker 1: guys in the end zone, they get to celebrate. I
Speaker 1: think that's the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 5: That is the most underrated touchdown celebration in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I think I think so too.
Speaker 5: Aleck appreciate man. Thanks a lot. Let's go every time
Speaker 5: Alec does the podcast or anything content related, it's an
Speaker 5: absolute treat.
Speaker 3: So thank you to Alec for doing that with us.
Speaker 5: Here, let's go ahead and take our first I know
Speaker 5: very early on in the show, but we have a
Speaker 5: lot more to get to here with Cameron wolf breaking
Speaker 5: down everything AFC South. That's next drivetime podcast, your host
Speaker 5: Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. Joining me
Speaker 5: today to break down the AFC South is Cam Wolfe,
Speaker 5: a national reporter at NFL Network. He puts the talent
Speaker 5: in on air talent there really had about half the
Speaker 5: divisions that he could have covered here in earnest but
Speaker 5: we landed Cam on the AFC South, because really you're
Speaker 5: in these cities like half the damn time anyway, So
Speaker 5: I figure, let's get you on talk about some Colts, Titans, Jags,
Speaker 5: and Texans here.
Speaker 3: Cam. How are you living, man, How you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm great, man. It's the summer. We're getting ready.
Speaker 4: For our deeper summer vacation. But I am looking forward
Speaker 4: to this NFL season, So appreciate you for the intro.
Speaker 4: And it's gonna be a fun season, man, particularly with
Speaker 4: the AFC South.
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since.
Speaker 4: We've been able to like really have a lot of
Speaker 4: new flavor in this division, so I'm excited to talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: Was gonna It's a division that has kind of produced,
Speaker 5: you know, those four seeds every year, right that the
Speaker 5: division winner gets in, but no one else is really
Speaker 5: close to stuff in the playoffs, and we see these
Speaker 5: cycles that kind of go, you know, throughout the years.
Speaker 5: And I was just talking to Fran Duffy over at
Speaker 5: the Philadelphia Eagles, one of the divisions you could probably
Speaker 5: cover pretty well there at the NFC East, and he
Speaker 5: was talking about how the NFC East was you know,
Speaker 5: bad for a long time, but last year turned around.
Speaker 3: We've seen the AFC East kind of.
Speaker 5: Become more you know, top to bottom in terms of
Speaker 5: the parody there. So it's cool to see that we
Speaker 5: got lots of new quarterbacks here in this division.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of fun too.
Speaker 5: And we'll see the Dolphins playing one team out of
Speaker 5: this division Week fourteen at home here at hard Rock
Speaker 5: Stadium against Titans on December eleventh and Monday night game
Speaker 5: at eight fifteen.
Speaker 3: So we'll go ahead and start there.
Speaker 5: But before we do that real quick, actually I should say,
Speaker 5: I want to get your I guess, just overall snapshot
Speaker 5: your thirty thousand foot view of the AFC South, because,
Speaker 5: like we talked about, a lot has changed here. What
Speaker 5: are some of the main storylines you're looking forward to
Speaker 5: heading into this year's training camp, this year's season here
Speaker 5: in the AFC South.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the most interesting divisions football for
Speaker 4: me this year, and it starts because of those young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: You got one team in the division and the Jacksonville
Speaker 4: Jaguars that has approven quarterback for the long term. The
Speaker 4: rest of the teams are really playing catchup.
Speaker 2: And you saw C. J.
Speaker 4: Stroud go number two to the Texans. Anthony Richardson go
Speaker 4: number four to the Indianapolis Colts, and then the Tennessee Titans,
Speaker 4: who will probably start Ryan Tannehill at least the beginning
Speaker 4: of the year, drafted Will Levis in the second round.
Speaker 4: And so you got three teams that potentially drafted their
Speaker 4: long term quarterbacks this year, and so that means a
Speaker 4: new breadth of quarterbacks in this division will track all
Speaker 4: three of those quarterbacks coming forward, and then are any
Speaker 4: of those guys good enough to compete with Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 4: and the Jags going forward? And so we talked about
Speaker 4: the AFC South. Let's keep it one hundred. You know,
Speaker 4: this is a division that we always joke they played
Speaker 4: Thursday night football every year and you're like, do we
Speaker 4: want to watch it? We watch it anyway. I don't
Speaker 4: think that's going to be the case anymore. I think
Speaker 4: we're really going to be excited. I know I will
Speaker 4: be to watch AFC South matchups, Like just thinking of
Speaker 4: about Anthony Richardson versus Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2: You know C. J.
Speaker 4: Stroud's in that mix, even if Will Levis gets in
Speaker 4: there at some point. I think the big thing for
Speaker 4: this division is which of those quarterbacks is him, since
Speaker 4: we use that phrase a lot. Him like establishes uf
Speaker 4: himself as a player fastest and right now CJ. Stroud
Speaker 4: probably is the favorite for that, but I'm very intrigued
Speaker 4: with Anthony Richardson and his potential.
Speaker 5: I love BOTHO quarterbacks, especially Stroud. I think that he
Speaker 5: plays the game the right way in terms of you know,
Speaker 5: winning from the pocket, ball placement, all that fun stuff.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about those.
Speaker 5: Those Thursday night games, man, I can just picture back
Speaker 5: to like week thirteen, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: Really annually the Jags wear those like you know, pe green.
Speaker 5: Like the like the mashed up stuff you feed your
Speaker 5: daughter of uniforms, and then the Titans would have those
Speaker 5: baby blue ones that were that were okay, but they
Speaker 5: just didn't aesthetically please the I very much when you
Speaker 5: see that game, especially when it was like four and
Speaker 5: seven versus four and eight on those late season TNF games.
Speaker 5: But you talked about, you know, the quarterbacks that coaches
Speaker 5: in this division too. Now at this point, man like
Speaker 5: Mike Rabel's proven obviously almost said Frank Reich, but Doug
Speaker 5: Peterson with the Jaguars as well, and then Shane Stikeen
Speaker 5: and Dimigo. Ryan's two coaches I think have a chance
Speaker 5: to really kind of, you know, earn their worth here
Speaker 5: and show what they're made of in the NFL. I'm
Speaker 5: sure you'll talk about each of those guys here to
Speaker 5: go along. But you mentioned the team that the Dolphins
Speaker 5: will play this year again Week fourteen, Titans coming here
Speaker 5: for Monday Night football. Let's go ahead and start there,
Speaker 5: because this is a team that coming into the year,
Speaker 5: cam Or, I should say the off season, the scuttle
Speaker 5: butt that I heard on national podcast and things I
Speaker 5: listened to is that they're going to tear it down
Speaker 5: and rebuild, and they didn't do that. Like Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 5: is still there. You know, Malik Willis is drafted in
Speaker 5: the third round last year. You go second round this
Speaker 5: year with will Levis. You have depth at quarterback and
Speaker 5: some young guys that can you know, kind of earn
Speaker 5: their way as well.
Speaker 3: But they kept Derrick Henry.
Speaker 5: They've been recording this podcast on June fifteenth, that'll come
Speaker 5: out a while from now, so we'll see what happens here.
Speaker 5: But they've been linked to DeAndre Hopkins. Doesn't tell like
Speaker 5: a team of me that wants to rebuild.
Speaker 3: They something. They want to go out and win the
Speaker 3: division once again. They're in the AFC South.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a tanking team.
Speaker 4: I think that was the assumption, like what essentially how
Speaker 4: you put it was, Hey, you know they bring it
Speaker 4: in a new GM and ran Carthon. They're getting to
Speaker 4: the point where the Jags have passed them. The Jags
Speaker 4: will probably enter this twenty twenty three season as the
Speaker 4: favorites since division, whereas the Titans for the last four
Speaker 4: or five years have been that team. They've been good,
Speaker 4: they haven't got over the hurdle of bad. They've been
Speaker 4: in number one seed, they've been in the AFC Championship Game,
Speaker 4: but they haven't yet got over that hurdle. And so
Speaker 4: the question is has their window expired?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I think they are retooling rather than rebuilding. And what's
Speaker 4: interesting about this team is they really tore down their
Speaker 4: offensive line. They had an aging group with Taylor Lewan
Speaker 4: and Ben Jones.
Speaker 2: Guys who are really the core of what built.
Speaker 4: This Tennessee Titans franchise from really a laughingstock to a
Speaker 4: true contender.
Speaker 2: And now they're.
Speaker 4: Starting over with that spot and a couple of other
Speaker 4: areas while keeping the veterans at other spots, and I
Speaker 4: think this Titans team could be a pleasant surprise because
Speaker 4: trust their head coach, Mike Frabele is one of the
Speaker 4: best head coaches in football, and no matter how much
Speaker 4: you count them out, they seem to always rise to
Speaker 4: the occasion. I think it was last year or the
Speaker 4: year before, maybe both years where they've had the most
Speaker 4: injured players in the league and most players they've played with,
Speaker 4: and they still end up competing towards the end. And
Speaker 4: so this Titans team is very intriguing for me because
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 2: They just did not have much on offense.
Speaker 4: They didn't have the weapons, they didn't have the offensive
Speaker 4: line play, and so how much better can they be
Speaker 4: on offense? Trey Lion Burks is their number one receiver,
Speaker 4: Ryan Tannehill and him had some spurts last year, but
Speaker 4: can they be more consistent? Derrick Henry as well, You
Speaker 4: know we started to see him slow down a little
Speaker 4: bit last year. Is he still a top three, top
Speaker 4: five running back in this league? They have always battled
Speaker 4: the Jags very well, and so although I said the
Speaker 4: Jags will be the favorites, I don't think you should
Speaker 4: write off the Titans.
Speaker 2: If they play, they're playing their best.
Speaker 4: They have a guy in Jeffrey Simmons, this is one
Speaker 4: of the best defense tackles in football. Kevin Bayer, who
Speaker 4: you know, he's had a little bit of rum wins
Speaker 4: this offseason because they asked him to take a pay
Speaker 4: cut and he'd decline.
Speaker 2: But he's still a huge leader of that team. And
Speaker 2: so right now, if.
Speaker 4: You're painting the picture, the Titans are still probably the
Speaker 4: most the most difficult challenge for the Jags to overcome
Speaker 4: with their current roster. Now, the question I have for
Speaker 4: them is if it starts off rocky middle of the season,
Speaker 4: do they start that.
Speaker 2: Rebuild a little deeper? Do they look.
Speaker 4: Into trading a a Derrick Henry, Do they end up
Speaker 4: trying to trade a Kevin Bayern?
Speaker 2: Do they end up benching to Ryan Tannehill and.
Speaker 4: Moving forward with a World leves So even though Malik
Speaker 4: willis these are intriguing questions around midseason, But right now,
Speaker 4: this Tennessee Titans team is building as if they want
Speaker 4: to compete for this AFC South title.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they kind of gave themselves two routes there in
Speaker 5: terms of maybe you can compete for a division. Maybe
Speaker 5: if it doesn't go so well the first two months,
Speaker 5: you can get some valuable experience and you know, wins
Speaker 5: and losses. At that point you still care, but maybe
Speaker 5: they don't matter as much if you are like we
Speaker 5: talkalked about earlier four and seven at that point of
Speaker 5: the year, and I want to talk about that defense
Speaker 5: I think is pretty underrated still that has been for
Speaker 5: a long time. A guy like Kevin Bayer, to me,
Speaker 5: is the microcosm of how underrated it is, because he's
Speaker 5: been one of the best safeties for a long time
Speaker 5: and no one seemed to talk about him. But I
Speaker 5: think cam it's really important these next couple of years
Speaker 5: for Mike Frable to maybe establish not not necessarily a
Speaker 5: new identity, but re establish what they want to be
Speaker 5: on offense because, like you mentioned, Derrick Henry, he can't
Speaker 5: run that way forever. It's just it's just not possible
Speaker 5: to be that physically dominant that relied upon for as
Speaker 5: long as he has been. Like he's actually kind of
Speaker 5: age better than we thought he would, I think, but
Speaker 5: at some point it's not going to be the Dereck
Speaker 5: Henry of old. And I remember listening to again going
Speaker 5: back to the National podcast, the Around the NFL podcast
Speaker 5: on NFL Media. Their producer, Justin Graver, is a diehard
Speaker 5: Titans fan, and he talked about last season how he
Speaker 5: wants to see the Titans pivot to more of the
Speaker 5: modern style offensive attack because the Titans for so long
Speaker 5: have been this, you know, two bad personnel, two tight
Speaker 5: end personnel. I formation, run the ball with their Henry's
Speaker 5: out play action passing that way, and that I think
Speaker 5: maximized Bryan Tannehill's ability to throw the ball down the
Speaker 5: field off play action. Do you think that happens this
Speaker 5: season because looking at the weapons right now, like you mentioned,
Speaker 5: Traylon Burks is you know, a good prospect, still not proven,
Speaker 5: and then beyond that a lot of unproven names that
Speaker 5: receiver as well. Can they pivot to that this year
Speaker 5: or might that take another year? Are they interested in
Speaker 5: doing that? Like does any of this stuff make sense?
Speaker 5: I'm just really curious to see how the offense shakes out,
Speaker 5: not just this year, but down the road as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have a new offensive coordinator and Tim Kelly,
Speaker 4: he was essentially the past game coordinator for this team.
Speaker 4: Last year they moved on from Todd Downing and so
Speaker 4: it's gonna be his scheme, and so you implement different
Speaker 4: elements that come from Tim Kelly. He's a guy who's
Speaker 4: been in a lot of different areas. He's played it,
Speaker 4: he's been in college, he's been and under Bill O'Brien
Speaker 4: in New England, and so do we still see more
Speaker 4: of a Bill O'Briant type of offense here and Tennessee.
Speaker 4: I think the issue you always run into is Mike
Speaker 4: Vrabel's going to be who he is the head coach.
Speaker 4: He's gonna want to play defense, he's gonna want to
Speaker 4: run the ball. Now, that doesn't mean they always have
Speaker 4: to be this smash mouth type of style. I think
Speaker 4: they are understanding of the analytics of football right. This
Speaker 4: is a team that knows that passing is a passing league.
Speaker 4: But the problem is their current personnel does not add
Speaker 4: to that. They may have just being transparent. The worstwide
Speaker 4: receiver corps football, like Treylon Burks is a really solid player,
Speaker 4: but beyond him, there's not a lot of proven talent there.
Speaker 4: So to ask yourself to transform into a Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 4: led passing attack with not much weapons, it's probably not
Speaker 4: your best way to be a conducive for success. Now
Speaker 4: if they make a move like going and get a
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins. I know they had him in for a
Speaker 4: visit in June. We're not sure where he is at
Speaker 4: this point when this podcast runs out, But if they
Speaker 4: end up getting the DeAndre Hopkins and that exponites maybe
Speaker 4: that process and maybe you have Traylon Brooks and DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 4: and now that passing game is a.
Speaker 2: Little bit more intriguing.
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry's always been the best player on their team,
Speaker 4: and just like every good coach, you give the ball
Speaker 4: to your best players. And so I think, based on
Speaker 4: their roster, has been the function of their offense. But
Speaker 4: as we get into an era where Derrick Henry is
Speaker 4: not the focal point, which is coming. It may not
Speaker 4: be this year, but Derrick Henry is coming towards the
Speaker 4: back end of his career. I do think you can
Speaker 4: see this Titans team adjust to become a little bit
Speaker 4: more modernized. And as you're discussing and you know, I
Speaker 4: think Tim Kelly will help with that transition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that really complements what they've done
Speaker 5: on defense. We talked about it, you know, or I
Speaker 5: talked about how underrated they've been on that side of
Speaker 5: the football. I thought that their offseason really did a
Speaker 5: good job of addressing some needs there as well, going
Speaker 5: out and getting an Ard and Key and Aziz al Shaire,
Speaker 5: who I think is an awesome player formerly the forty
Speaker 5: nine ers, Sean Murphy bunting in that secondary to go
Speaker 5: along with you know, a secondary it's got lots of
Speaker 5: draft picks, you know, installed there with a Moni Hooker,
Speaker 5: you mentioned, Kevin Byerd, Caleb Farley, Christian Fulton. They just
Speaker 5: they load up in that area. Roger McCrery back there
Speaker 5: a couple years ago as well. This defense, do you
Speaker 5: expect him to kind of get back to how they
Speaker 5: were a couple of years ago, because last season, you know,
Speaker 5: led by Jeffrey Simmons up front, they're good upfront, but
Speaker 5: they had some struggles in the back end and just
Speaker 5: weren't Why the same Titans defense.
Speaker 3: It seems to me safe to assume.
Speaker 5: They can kind of bounce back when getting guy like
Speaker 5: Harold Landry back as well and kind of get back to,
Speaker 5: you know, causing issues for opposing offenses, which only helps
Speaker 5: that style of play they want to play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Harold Andry was a huge loss for
Speaker 4: them before the season even began.
Speaker 2: He's a guy they paid a lot of big money
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 4: Their top outside pass rusher, and getting him back I
Speaker 4: think will help that front. If you remember the year before,
Speaker 4: they were the one seed going into the playoffs and
Speaker 4: literally they had nine sacks against Joe Burrow and they
Speaker 4: probably should have won that playoff game. That year that
Speaker 4: the Bengals ended up going to the title game, and
Speaker 4: the only reason they didn't was because Ryan Tannehill threw
Speaker 4: three interceptions when it counted. And so this defense has
Speaker 4: long been sort of their calling card. So Harold Andry
Speaker 4: back is certainly going to help. Jeffrey Simmons, who I mentioned,
Speaker 4: is a force down low, and I really like Kevin
Speaker 4: Byrn on the back end. The question for them has
Speaker 4: been really their injuries. You mentioned a couple of the corners,
Speaker 4: Christian Folden and Caleb Farley, were high draft picks brought
Speaker 4: in to be a huge part of this deal, and
Speaker 4: both of them have really been plagued with injuries. Caleb
Speaker 4: Farley has been really hurt since he got drafted into
Speaker 4: this league, and I believe Christian Fulton started thirty of
Speaker 4: his fifty games the league, and so that's something where
Speaker 4: he's not been that consistent on field player that you want,
Speaker 4: although he's shown flashes of being a number one corner.
Speaker 4: Roger McCurry flash too, So you can get those three
Speaker 4: guys playing really good ball. I think that solidifies that
Speaker 4: Titans defense in a way that you want. But right
Speaker 4: now there's going to be a lot of pressure on
Speaker 4: those veterans that I mentioned to really key this defense.
Speaker 4: Kevin Byer what you mentioned, he's been one of the
Speaker 4: best safeties in football. Last year, maybe not the season
Speaker 4: he wanted. If he bounces back to prove that he's
Speaker 4: still one of the top three safeties in the league,
Speaker 4: I think that helps this defense. And briefly, on the
Speaker 4: offensive side of the ball, talking about Tim Kelly, he
Speaker 4: was the offensive coordinator in Houston when Deshaun Watson was
Speaker 4: putting up all those crazy numbers, and if that offense
Speaker 4: can do a little bit more, that helps.
Speaker 2: Out the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4: There were a lot of times where the Titans were
Speaker 4: scoring nine points, ten points, thirteen points, and that puts
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure on your defense. It can't have
Speaker 4: any true pass for us snatch because they're trying to
Speaker 4: you know, they're not having a lot of leads, and
Speaker 4: so that's.
Speaker 2: Something where this tightens team is going to have to
Speaker 2: play a little.
Speaker 4: Bit more complimentary football for them to compete for a
Speaker 4: playoff spot.
Speaker 5: You can't make mistakes either when you have to play
Speaker 5: that type of defense as well, you have to be
Speaker 5: very by the rules and play with in the structure
Speaker 5: of the defense and not taking any chances because you
Speaker 5: get burned one time, it could be the end of
Speaker 5: the game if you do that. So very very intriguing
Speaker 5: stuff there. I think that team and the team are
Speaker 5: going to pivot too. Next here are two of the
Speaker 5: most not just in this division intriguing teams, but in
Speaker 5: the entire league because of that quarterback position, because of
Speaker 5: the youth, and because of to me, the Colts is
Speaker 5: who I'm talking about here. Obviously, the Colts were a
Speaker 5: team that I didn't really see the bottom falling out
Speaker 5: on them last year like it did. And obviously, you know,
Speaker 5: dismissing the coach halfway of the season, you're bringing a
Speaker 5: guy who was working in TV. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: like getting hired to the Houston Texans. Man like your
Speaker 5: hometown go back there and go off the NFL network
Speaker 5: set and go go coach the Houston Texans. I guess
Speaker 5: it was kind of a strange move there with Jeff Saturday,
Speaker 5: and it didn't work out that they lost I think
Speaker 5: every game besides one after that. But now they come
Speaker 5: back and I'm looking at all these potential reclamation pieces
Speaker 5: to go along with the quarterback who I'm a lot
Speaker 5: higher on. I think the most of like draft Twitter,
Speaker 5: which who cares And obviously the NFL feels the same
Speaker 5: way because he went that high in the draft. But man,
Speaker 5: I think Anthony Richardson has a chance to not just
Speaker 5: start right away, but really make a big impact because
Speaker 5: this is a team that prior to last year was
Speaker 5: one of the best running.
Speaker 3: Teams in the NFL.
Speaker 5: And it kind of almost to me, cam feels like
Speaker 5: a Lamar impact because if Richardson doesn't hit the ground
Speaker 5: running as a passer, I know for a fact he
Speaker 5: can run the ball and really comp like Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 5: in that backfield.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Anthony Richardson was the most intriguing prospect in this
Speaker 4: draft for me. Spent a lot of time with him
Speaker 4: in Jacksonville in the pre draft process, learning about who
Speaker 4: he is and what he's going to be as a
Speaker 4: player is intriguing because it's a guy who had fifty
Speaker 4: five percent completion percentage in Florida and one of the
Speaker 4: top five, and so a lot of people look at
Speaker 4: that and it's like, what, how does it add up? Well,
Speaker 4: watch him play, watch his skill set, watch what he
Speaker 4: can become. And I'm very high on Anthony Richardson. I
Speaker 4: believe I'm one of the believers who believe he should
Speaker 4: start from week one because a big question for him
Speaker 4: was experienced. He only had one year as a starter
Speaker 4: at Florida, essentially thirteen games, and so how do you
Speaker 4: learn how to play quarterback more other than playing quarterback?
Speaker 4: And so they're in a situation where he's got Gardner Minshew,
Speaker 4: which interesting enough, he and Gardner Minshew trained together in Jacksonville,
Speaker 4: so they already have a really good relationship and so
Speaker 4: that helps.
Speaker 2: That backup starter kind of vibe there.
Speaker 4: And I love the fit with Shane Stiking because Shane
Speaker 4: Stiking was the offensive coordinator with Jalen Hurts and not
Speaker 4: saying they're the same player, but Jalen had a lot
Speaker 4: of the same questions coming into the league.
Speaker 2: Is he accurate enough. Is he always going to be
Speaker 2: a runner first? Right?
Speaker 4: And as we've seen Jalen Hurts became an MVP candidate
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl leading his team to the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: as high standards for Anthony Richardson to meet. But I'll
Speaker 4: tell you what, from year one, I believe he's going
Speaker 4: to be a top five rusher at his position, and
Speaker 4: then the passing is something that can be developed as
Speaker 4: it comes along. They're going to have a scheme ideally
Speaker 4: that fits more around him than what he did at Florida,
Speaker 4: And I don't think the learning curve will be as
Speaker 4: drastic as a lot of people think. When you watch
Speaker 4: him play, he has the pure quarterback instincts. It's not
Speaker 4: like you have to redo his whole passing arc. He's
Speaker 4: a pure thrower. He has some footwork issues, he has
Speaker 4: some inconsistency when pressure's coming about. But these things, to
Speaker 4: me are coachable with reps, with good teaching from NFL coaching,
Speaker 4: and Shane Stiken's a good fit there. So I'm really
Speaker 4: eager to see Anthony Richardson. Not only is he exciting
Speaker 4: to watch and break off an eighty yard touchdown run,
Speaker 4: he could also throw the ball seventy yards. I literally
Speaker 4: saw him throw the ball sixty seven yards across his
Speaker 4: body like Derek Jeter pull on a web gym in
Speaker 4: a practice session. And so there's just something about having
Speaker 4: that type of playmaker that, hey, we're gonna figure it out,
Speaker 4: you know, even if it isn't the most purest, the
Speaker 4: most prettiest, we're gonna figure it out. And I love
Speaker 4: that we're in this new era of quarterback play where
Speaker 4: you don't have to be that pure pocket passer who
Speaker 4: throws the ball.
Speaker 2: And the most curirest mechanics.
Speaker 4: You're seeing Patrick Mahomes as a former baseball player, kind
Speaker 4: of throw some side arms.
Speaker 2: Same for Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of you guys have different ways of
Speaker 4: going about quarterback play. But as long as you generate
Speaker 4: wins and playmaking and can make the plays when it counts,
Speaker 4: that I think teams are understanding there's a new idea
Speaker 4: of quarterback play, and so I think the Colts in
Speaker 4: this Anthony Richardson era are going to be one of
Speaker 4: the most intriguing teams to watch this year.
Speaker 5: There's two baseball references and one answer there from Cam
Speaker 5: Wollf For those counting at home, and I do it
Speaker 5: probably once a week where I make a baseball to
Speaker 5: football comparison, So I know there was reason I liked
Speaker 5: you Cam talking about some baseball here on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Man, it makes sense.
Speaker 5: I've always said, like a shortstop, you know, the way
Speaker 5: they throw the baseball from different arm angles can help
Speaker 5: a quarterback long term. So if you're out there in
Speaker 5: your young quarterback, go play shorts off at your high
Speaker 5: school team as well and get those different arm slots,
Speaker 5: you know, to become second nature for your muscle memory.
Speaker 5: But I'm conflicted here, Cam, because I go back to
Speaker 5: I want to say it was two years ago in
Speaker 5: the podcast they were gonna start rolling out Anthony Richardson
Speaker 5: for the Florida Gators, and he came out and like
Speaker 5: scored a touchdown at halftime or right before halftime, and
Speaker 5: like did a backflip like a backhandspring, and I was like, wait,
Speaker 5: that guy's six foot five, two forty doing that.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 5: So I've always loved him, But I also kind of
Speaker 5: want to see Gardner Minshew get a chance because Goku's baby.
Speaker 5: You want to see him start some games and finally
Speaker 5: get a chance to play somewhere I spent a long
Speaker 5: time since he has, So that's cool. A fun quarterback
Speaker 5: competition there, and like you talked about, a good relationship.
Speaker 5: But I think regardless of who plays quarterback, this Colts
Speaker 5: team is going to live and die by what happens
Speaker 5: in the trenches and in the.
Speaker 3: Running back position.
Speaker 5: Because when they were going right back in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 5: it was Jonathan Taylor going for big games, big games
Speaker 5: and touchdowns and all the stuff that you saw him
Speaker 5: do for that Colts offense behind an offensive line that
Speaker 5: has premium resources across the board led by a I
Speaker 5: just forgot his name, Quentin Nelson.
Speaker 1: Geez.
Speaker 5: But those guys were so impactful and then last year
Speaker 5: like they weren't. So how do they get that back?
Speaker 5: And what did you see there last year from the
Speaker 5: Colts upfront in the rushing game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, their offensive line was was very underachieving.
Speaker 4: They put too much money to me high draft picks
Speaker 4: for the offensive line to play the way they did.
Speaker 4: And so there's really a challenge for a lot of
Speaker 4: these guys just simply to play better. You know, They've
Speaker 4: they've made some additions and tweaks on that offensive line
Speaker 4: that potentially helped. But a lot of it is guys
Speaker 4: you mentioned, like Quentin Nelson is a Pro Bowl All
Speaker 4: Pro guard. He did not play at that caliber last year.
Speaker 4: He's got to play better, you know, Kelly their center,
Speaker 4: same way. These are players who are very good and
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, maybe it's just the flow of the
Speaker 4: offense or whatever it was, didn't kind of didn't step
Speaker 4: up to the way they want and that affected Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 4: that affected the entire offense. I think Anthony Richardson helps
Speaker 4: all of that. You know, I don't know what his
Speaker 4: stat line is going to be this year, but the
Speaker 4: fact that you always have to prepare as a defense
Speaker 4: for Anthony Richardson as a runner creates lanes for Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 4: The fact that's an offensive line that you can get
Speaker 4: down a hill a little bit more with both your
Speaker 4: quarterback and your running.
Speaker 2: Back, I think helps you. And it should help the
Speaker 2: play action game as well. I remember going to Colts
Speaker 2: training camp last year and we're talking about Matt Ryan
Speaker 2: and could he reserves his team and potential playoff team,
Speaker 2: and they went four to twelve and one last year.
Speaker 2: They weren't even close.
Speaker 4: They weren't even close to the playoffs, and it can
Speaker 4: show you just how how much things can shift. But
Speaker 4: I'm glad they're finally off the quarterback paracel. I think
Speaker 4: it was five straight years where they had a different
Speaker 4: quarterback and so now they have a long term mancer.
Speaker 4: One thing I'm really intrigued to watch with this team
Speaker 4: is Michael Pittman has been their number one receiver.
Speaker 2: I needed to see him take that next step to being.
Speaker 4: You know, he's been a very decent to solid number one,
Speaker 4: but I need even take that next step. And I
Speaker 4: thought he was going to do it last year the
Speaker 4: offense as a hole was down. Can he do it
Speaker 4: this year? Ultimately, Who's going to be his second weapon?
Speaker 4: That was a big question for them last year. I
Speaker 4: don't know if we have a true answer yet this year,
Speaker 4: but that that's something there. Anthony Richards is gonna need
Speaker 4: those reliable playmakers that he can trust on that side
Speaker 4: of the ball. And so this Colts teams is an
Speaker 4: intriguing team. I don't know if they're as far ahead
Speaker 4: as the Jags or even the Titans, but this is
Speaker 4: a team where a year or two from now, they
Speaker 4: can figure this out.
Speaker 2: Maybe they can compete for the top of this division.
Speaker 5: I'm intrigued by by Josh Downs. I've always liked Isaiah
Speaker 5: McKenzie's game. Alec Pierce is a good player for them too,
Speaker 5: So it's like you said, that's a that's a fun
Speaker 5: training camp battle to watch.
Speaker 3: There for the receiver two, three, four positions.
Speaker 5: And before we pivot here to the Jacksonville Jaguars, just
Speaker 5: real quick, you know you mentioned the defense there and
Speaker 5: doing this this exercise last year. I always liked this
Speaker 5: during the summertime season preview because it kind of gives
Speaker 5: me more in depth knowledge of every team and go
Speaker 5: back and watch them tape and just kind of get
Speaker 5: a feel for the league. Doing this, I was, you know,
Speaker 5: everyone picked the Colts with Matt Ryan to win the
Speaker 5: AFC South last year, like it was a given right,
Speaker 5: but it didn't work out that way at all, like
Speaker 5: you mentioned, And when I was doing this, I was like,
Speaker 5: their defensive back depth is not there. It's very thin.
Speaker 5: I think they've even traded Stefan Gilmour in season at
Speaker 5: some point. So to go from that to what they
Speaker 5: are now, because I'm looking at the roster Julius Brents
Speaker 5: I think he's got a chance to be a great player.
Speaker 5: Second round draft pick for them, they get Darius Roush
Speaker 5: as well from South Carolina, camp Smith's teammate here at
Speaker 5: the Miami Dolphins in college. So defense, they add Samson
Speaker 5: ebucom as well. Who else did I put my list here?
Speaker 5: Taekwon Lewis? So have they done enough on defense to
Speaker 5: kind of round out this group because that's an area
Speaker 5: they have to play better at as well.
Speaker 4: They've got to play a lot better. I think one
Speaker 4: of the lasting memories I have for the Colts. So
Speaker 4: I went to training camp and I had a conversation
Speaker 4: with their GM Chris Baller, and it was about their
Speaker 4: linebacker Shack Leonard right. He has been a All Pro
Speaker 4: player there, it's been kind of struck with injuries the
Speaker 4: past couple of years, particularly back injuries, and he was,
Speaker 4: you know, I asked him, straight blank, what's the situation
Speaker 4: for Shack? Because everybody was saying he's gonna be ready
Speaker 4: for week one, He's gonna be ready for week one.
Speaker 2: And Ballot gave me a little bit different tone.
Speaker 4: He was like, hey, you know, we hope to get
Speaker 4: him at point this year, And to me, that kind
Speaker 4: of was like huh, And to me, I thought that
Speaker 4: was the start of when we saw the decline of
Speaker 4: this Coast defense. Shaq Leonards the guy in the middle,
Speaker 4: the guy who runs everything, and he only played three
Speaker 4: games last year one start. He was never the same,
Speaker 4: and I got to see, is he going to be back?
Speaker 2: Is he going to be a player that he once was.
Speaker 4: If he's not, then I don't know how much trust
Speaker 4: I have in this Coast defense. I think he's when
Speaker 4: he's healthy, maybe the best off ball linebacker in the league.
Speaker 4: I think that highly of him, but he hasn't been
Speaker 4: healthy in a long time. DeForest Buckner is also a
Speaker 4: force in the middle. He had eight sacks last year,
Speaker 4: maybe not the caliber that he's typically at. They need
Speaker 4: a little bit more pass rush. Yannick and Gockway is
Speaker 4: a free agent. He was their top pass rusher last year.
Speaker 4: I'm a little concerned about what they have is a
Speaker 4: defensive front. Can they get enough pressure on the quarterback
Speaker 4: to kind of lay off those defensive backs you were
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 2: Those are some questions I have about this Colt team
Speaker 2: going into training camp.
Speaker 5: A couple of guys coming back off injury, as well
Speaker 5: as quitty pay and die out out of Oh geez
Speaker 5: oda yingbo. I don't know, man, I'm really bad at
Speaker 5: the those pronunciations in those names. But both those guys
Speaker 5: coming off injury could be intrigued for that pass rush
Speaker 5: as well, to go along with Grover Stewart up front.
Speaker 5: So intriguing team there, intriguing players up and down the roster.
Speaker 5: We're gonna go ahead and take our last break here
Speaker 5: of the episode and come back on the other side.
Speaker 5: We saved the division winner for third here on the
Speaker 5: podcast Jaguars Coming your way next, Cameron Wolf my guest
Speaker 5: day for NFL Network Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,
Speaker 5: brought to you by Auto Nation. So you're wondering why
Speaker 5: have we waited till the third team or the third
Speaker 5: team to go off of here for the division champs
Speaker 5: from last year, the surprising Jacksonville Jaguars who started the
Speaker 5: season off slow and went on a tear towards the
Speaker 5: end to take the AFC South to win a playoff
Speaker 5: game goal up to Kansasity really compete with the Chiefs
Speaker 5: for three or four quarters there. That was a pretty
Speaker 5: good game up until the very end. But you know
Speaker 5: the reason I put him here, cam Is because it's
Speaker 5: pretty much the same team.
Speaker 3: It's almost like, you know, rinse, repeat, try it again.
Speaker 5: I think that's probably a good strategy when you have
Speaker 5: a young, ascending quarterback on a team that played their
Speaker 5: best balled in the stretch. So I have to imagine
Speaker 5: you can tell me the answer on this. It has
Speaker 5: to be built around the idea of not just getting
Speaker 5: Calvin Ridley back from a suspension, but Trevor Lawrence and
Speaker 5: your number three starting to look at the quarterback that
Speaker 5: we all thought he was gonna be when he was
Speaker 5: the number one pick and you know, kind of the
Speaker 5: next Andrew Luck level prospect. It's all kind of coming
Speaker 5: together for that guy, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, second half of the season, we saw Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 4: become really remind himself that he is Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in Jacksonville, particularly in
Speaker 4: the back end of the season when they got on
Speaker 4: this run, and talking with a lot of the coaches there.
Speaker 4: They mentioned like it was like week nine where it
Speaker 4: just like clicked for him, And a.
Speaker 2: Part of it is lucky. He had a rough rookie season.
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer.
Speaker 4: You know, we know all the stories about what happened
Speaker 4: when urban Meyer there. They essentially threw that out. It
Speaker 4: was like a rookie season again for him, starting with
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson, and Doug Peterson has a very quarterback friendly system.
Speaker 4: But the intriguing part is you got a quarterback like
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence who's been a five star guy, who's always
Speaker 4: had so much control.
Speaker 2: I think that took some time for him to trust
Speaker 2: the coaches, trust the system. And it may seem weird
Speaker 2: to say. The coaches were trying to describe it to
Speaker 2: me that we nine week ten. It's sort of like
Speaker 2: he trusted that, Hey, this is what we should do,
Speaker 2: and then he made it his own and you start
Speaker 2: to see him make a lot of heroics. They had
Speaker 2: a run of comeback victories where they were coming from
Speaker 2: ten plus down and winning.
Speaker 4: I was at a Ravens game where they were going
Speaker 4: back and forth with Lamar and he outdueled Lamar, and
Speaker 4: that's that was the game that opened my.
Speaker 2: Eyes and said, hey, this is Trevor Lawrence's arrival.
Speaker 4: And then it was capped off, really in my mind
Speaker 4: by that playoff come back against Justin Herbert and the
Speaker 4: Chargers where he threw I think three or four interceptions
Speaker 4: in the first half, and everybody was getting their jokes
Speaker 4: off on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Aby you know, Trevor's throwing all.
Speaker 4: These picks and then he's like, okay, buckles the chin strappers,
Speaker 4: like let's go. And so, you know, talking about this
Speaker 4: team going into this year, I'm hearing that he's going
Speaker 4: to have more ontonomy at the line of scrimmage, more control.
Speaker 4: And you mentioned halvn Ridley. I think that's one of
Speaker 4: the most underrated additions they made, because you forget the
Speaker 4: last time we saw Calvin Ridley on the field, he
Speaker 4: was a fourteen hundred yard receiver for the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 4: playing on a broken foot. And so now he's healthy,
Speaker 4: he's kind of dealt with the suspension from gambling, some
Speaker 4: mental health issues, and you say, if he's right, and
Speaker 4: that's still a question right now. If he's right, then
Speaker 4: this guy immediately becomes number one for a team that
Speaker 4: already had a pretty solid crew of weapons. Christian Kirk,
Speaker 4: Evan Ingram, Say Jones, Travis etn All these guys had
Speaker 4: sort of career high best seasons last year under Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 4: and so I wouldn't be shocked, and I hope this
Speaker 4: is not given to high take. I wouldn't be shocked
Speaker 4: if one, this Jaguars team is a top ten offense
Speaker 4: this year, and two if Trevor Lawrence is one of
Speaker 4: the top five candidates for the MVP. I think that's
Speaker 4: that's just the way he's playing. I think that's the
Speaker 4: way this team is built. And I think that this
Speaker 4: team is the overwhelming favorite for the AFC. South Jacksonville
Speaker 4: Jaguars had a run about five years ago where they
Speaker 4: had the Saxonville Era with Jayalen Ramsey and Klais Campbell
Speaker 4: and they made it the AFC Championship.
Speaker 2: That year was a special year.
Speaker 4: This past year felt different because fans knew this is
Speaker 4: just the beginning, right, this is the start of something
Speaker 4: that's sustainable. That year was a defense led team with
Speaker 4: some guys that were becoming free agents.
Speaker 2: Quarterback was Blake Bortles. It's hard to believe.
Speaker 4: In this year, you got the Trevor Lawrence, you've got
Speaker 4: the coach, and Doug Peterson, who's been amazing for them.
Speaker 4: Turned things completely around and they went from a team
Speaker 4: that had the number one overall pick back.
Speaker 2: To back seasons.
Speaker 4: So winning a playoff game, and to me, they've got
Speaker 4: to be one of the three to four teams in
Speaker 4: the AFC that had the best chance of getting to
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's kind of what we expected from this
Speaker 5: guy when his freshman year at Clemson, when he was
Speaker 5: coming out. I remember watching his spring game that year
Speaker 5: and he was just dialing up Mike Williams with dime
Speaker 5: after diamond. This guy can freaking play man. Now to
Speaker 5: have a chance to kind of see it come to fruition,
Speaker 5: and you know, I think it's always a valuable lesson
Speaker 5: for folks to understand context that happens around a player,
Speaker 5: because that that rookie year, you know, the coaching situation
Speaker 5: was not, let's just say not ideal. Yes, Lawrence's rookie year,
Speaker 5: it played out that way because he just didn't look
Speaker 5: at the.
Speaker 3: Same guy to me.
Speaker 5: But now he's definitely looking like that number one overall pick,
Speaker 5: and like, like we've talked about the generational prospect, it
Speaker 5: gets thrown around all the time like he was that guy.
Speaker 5: So I think that's kind of where it starts and ends.
Speaker 5: I don't really have anything else here, because, like we said,
Speaker 5: they're kind of running it back. Like you mentioned Calvin
Speaker 5: really I love his game man, Like he came here
Speaker 5: for joint practices.
Speaker 3: Was it two years ago?
Speaker 5: I forget and he him and X were having some
Speaker 5: great battles back and forth and they just remember really
Speaker 5: good pros.
Speaker 3: Was that two years ago? Was it last year now?
Speaker 2: Two years ago?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was two years ago because Calvin was suspended
Speaker 4: last year, So it was two years ago going into
Speaker 4: that twenty twenty one season where he had that that
Speaker 4: that breakout season. That's when the Falcons and the Dolphins
Speaker 4: had joint practices, which they will have again this.
Speaker 2: Summer, which will be fun to watch.
Speaker 4: You get to see Drake London and Kyle Pitz and
Speaker 4: b John Robinson, who actually just saw this week, those
Speaker 4: Dolphins defensive backs. So one thing on the Jags that
Speaker 4: I want to mention first, on Ridley, the thing that
Speaker 4: was missing in that offense last year was a deep
Speaker 4: threat and he did somebody to really stretch defenses. They
Speaker 4: were essentially having Zay Jones be their defense. Zay Jones
Speaker 4: is a good player. He's not Calvin Ridley. That doesn't
Speaker 4: have that speed. He doesn't threaten defenses that way, and
Speaker 4: so Calvin Ridley doing that will will be another thing
Speaker 4: to stress defenses and really having this level of offense
Speaker 4: from week one.
Speaker 2: You remember, the first half of the season was rough
Speaker 2: for the Jags.
Speaker 4: They went through a five game losing streak in October
Speaker 4: and so it wasn't until the second half if they
Speaker 4: turned it on.
Speaker 2: That's why they had to catch up.
Speaker 4: The Tennessee Titans, I think had a four game division lead,
Speaker 4: and the Jags marched them down to get that title.
Speaker 4: And so that's why I think you see this team
Speaker 4: start earlier. We talked a lot of positive for the Jags.
Speaker 4: The two questions I do have about them as a
Speaker 4: team is their offensive line. They lost to Juwan Taylor
Speaker 4: and free agency that the Chiefs who was the right tackle,
Speaker 4: really solid player, and then Cam Robinson is facing the suspension.
Speaker 2: He's their left tackle, and.
Speaker 4: So you're you're likely gonna have Walker Little, who was
Speaker 4: the second round pick a couple of years ago, in
Speaker 4: their first round pick this year at Antoine Harrison starting
Speaker 4: at left tackle and right tackle, and so Trevor's really
Speaker 4: good at getting the ball out of his hands quickly.
Speaker 4: But having those two young players protect your outside is
Speaker 4: something that's a little worrisome for me. And the second thing,
Speaker 4: we haven't talked much about their defense. They have some
Speaker 4: good pieces, but they really struggled against the pass last year.
Speaker 4: I think they were a bottom seven or eighteen against
Speaker 4: the pass. And so Tyson Campbell's a really good corner,
Speaker 4: but I do have some questions about their cornerback depth
Speaker 4: and their overall defensive back depth. And then pass rush.
Speaker 4: They need more from their pass rushers. I watched them
Speaker 4: play the Chiefs twice last year. They sacked Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 4: zero times combined in those twos and so you cannot
Speaker 4: play the best quarterbacks in football and not get a
Speaker 4: hand on and so those are the two things that
Speaker 4: have me not ready to put the Jags all the
Speaker 4: way over the top. They got a fixed those, but overall,
Speaker 4: I think this Jags team is very, very good and
Speaker 4: they're heading in the right direction.
Speaker 2: For a long time.
Speaker 5: It's a roster where a fan could look at it
Speaker 5: and convince themselves that every single position group has a
Speaker 5: guy that's going to take a big step, because, like
Speaker 5: you talked about, they've had so many high draft picks
Speaker 5: over the years, and just looking at the list, obviously
Speaker 5: the pass rush, like Trayvon Walker was number one pick.
Speaker 5: It's got to come on this year, like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: He's got to go.
Speaker 5: I'm a huge Devin Lloyd fan. I thought Chad Muma
Speaker 5: was a great prospect there. I've always loved Travis Etn
Speaker 5: Like Christian Kirk was a guy I loved a couple
Speaker 5: of years ago out of A and M. So they've
Speaker 5: got all kinds of guys that have played well in
Speaker 5: flashes but.
Speaker 3: Need a little more consistency, and I think they get that.
Speaker 5: They could, like you talked about that to me is
Speaker 5: the key that and Lawrence could be the reason they
Speaker 5: go from you know, like we talk about four seed
Speaker 5: a nine to eight division champion to actually ten eleven,
Speaker 5: twelve wins and really competing deep into January. So it's intriguing, man,
Speaker 5: It's a fun roster to look at here.
Speaker 2: It is look at us.
Speaker 4: We get excited pumping up to AFC South football. This
Speaker 4: is a new era of football, you know. I think
Speaker 4: I think a lot of fans would have thought a
Speaker 4: lot differently they c South before this year, and so
Speaker 4: I'm very intrigued. I think they're gonna have a lot
Speaker 4: of games that people are gonna want to watch. They're
Speaker 4: gonna have some primetime games and whether it's at Jaggs
Speaker 4: with Trevor Lawrence and this team or the Colt with
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about the Texans yet with c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud that I think.
Speaker 4: I think these teams are going to create some interesting
Speaker 4: storylines throughout the year and not just a ough we
Speaker 4: got to watch this team again.
Speaker 2: Tight storylines.
Speaker 5: Hey man, I'll watch football on any day, anytime of
Speaker 5: the week. Like, give me a NFL I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 5: I always like, again, going back to your colleagues here
Speaker 5: NFL Around the NFL podcast, Gray Rosenthal always says he's
Speaker 5: always dokee for all three two teams because you always
Speaker 5: have different storylines worth tracking. And that's what that's where
Speaker 5: you and I think, you know, we get along here
Speaker 5: so well because we're just big football fans and you
Speaker 5: can't get enough of it. And you mentioned the Houston Texas.
Speaker 5: That will go ahead and finish here with your hometown
Speaker 5: Houston Texans. And again, this is a team that I
Speaker 5: cannot wait to see because for the last couple of
Speaker 5: years and two years ago they had that really crazy
Speaker 5: free agency that just like blew my mind when they
Speaker 5: signed like twenty five guys to like one year deals,
Speaker 5: and it was like, you know, like Philip Lindsay was
Speaker 5: a guy like it was Philip Lindsay, Rex Burkhead, those
Speaker 5: types of guys that have always been two or threes
Speaker 5: in their depth charts in the past, and they just
Speaker 5: loaded up their roster with those guys. But now you're
Speaker 5: starting to see some of the cream rise the top,
Speaker 5: some premier talent. It starts at the quarterback position. You know,
Speaker 5: you mentioned earlier the quarterback position evolving a little bit,
Speaker 5: and I agree it definitely is with how these guys
Speaker 5: can You know, the Patrick Mahomes Madden game where he
Speaker 5: has that like diving past. Its ridiculous, by the way,
Speaker 5: why don't put that in the game. It's outrageous.
Speaker 3: But you know CJ.
Speaker 5: Stroud was a baller of Ohio State because he won
Speaker 5: from the pocket because he was so dang accurate and
Speaker 5: so poison in the pocket. Man, if you can't tell,
Speaker 5: I am so fire up about CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud. Do you feel the same way I do?
Speaker 2: Cam, Yeah, so, c J.
Speaker 4: Stroud it was such an interesting prospect because he was
Speaker 4: going neck and neck with Bryce Young throughout the draft
Speaker 4: prospect process and then the last couple of weeks there's
Speaker 4: a lot of these reports that leak out about his
Speaker 4: S two tests all this. I'm pumped to see what
Speaker 4: type of chip he has on his shoulder because he's
Speaker 4: kind of hearing a few of his comments. I think
Speaker 4: he I think he feels a little slighted. I think
Speaker 4: he feels like, you know, there's something he has to prove.
Speaker 4: And I think that we're gonna see a different CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud than we saw from much of the season Ohio State.
Speaker 4: He was really good at art State. But the one
Speaker 4: thing I think they didn't do is they didn't show
Speaker 4: his athleticism. We saw that at the very end this
Speaker 4: last game, I think against Georgia, where he saw what
Speaker 4: he could do as a runner. But I think that
Speaker 4: he's a lot more athletic than people give him credit for,
Speaker 4: which which should be effective in this offense. And I'm
Speaker 4: really intrigued how he plays because this offensive line for
Speaker 4: the Texans, unlike most you know, bottom three teams, they
Speaker 4: have a really good offensive line. Miami friend Laramie Tunsel
Speaker 4: is leading that group. You also have a lot of
Speaker 4: really good players. Tightest Titus Howard is a really good
Speaker 4: player there. They have some good guard play, and so
Speaker 4: this is a group where a rookie quarterback. A lot
Speaker 4: of times they get thrown into the fire because you
Speaker 4: know it's a bad team. He's going to be heed
Speaker 4: pretty well, and he's got a good running back and
Speaker 4: Damian Pierce there. This is a team that was a
Speaker 4: bottom three offense last year, bottom three defense, but there
Speaker 4: is some talent on this team. I'm intrigued to see
Speaker 4: what they do at the wide receiver position. They dumped
Speaker 4: up Brandon Cooks and so they don't really have a
Speaker 4: number one, maybe not even a number two. But I
Speaker 4: love Tank Dell. I'm Houston Cougar, so maybe it's a
Speaker 4: little bit of bias here, but Tank Dell's I was
Speaker 4: about to say, Tank Dell is a great route runner,
Speaker 4: and so I wouldn't be shocked if he can establish
Speaker 4: himself very quickly as a go to receiver for CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud.
Speaker 4: They also have Robert Woods who they signed. He came
Speaker 4: off a rough year in Tennessee, but he was coming
Speaker 4: off with torny AHTL. Maybe we see a rejuvenated version
Speaker 4: of him along with Nico Collins who was already there before.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be intriguing to see how much of
Speaker 4: a step this Texans team could take.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't be at bottom three offense.
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know if they improved to average, but
Speaker 4: maybe a five to ten spot jump is the progression
Speaker 4: you want to see for this team. I really like
Speaker 4: Denico Ryans as a higher I think that he has
Speaker 4: been a head coach in waiting for the last couple
Speaker 4: of years.
Speaker 2: And I really like their aggressiveness.
Speaker 4: You know, you can talk about the value all you want,
Speaker 4: but the aggressiveness of getting c d. Stroup but also
Speaker 4: making the trade up to get Will Anderson for this defense.
Speaker 4: Those are going to be the cornerstones of this team
Speaker 4: and they will sink or swim based on how good
Speaker 4: CJ and Will are. And so those are pretty two
Speaker 4: pretty good dudes to build your franchise on. The Texans,
Speaker 4: like the Colts, are probably not a team that I
Speaker 4: viewed competing for the division this year, but a couple
Speaker 4: of years down the line, when their young talent goes
Speaker 4: together with the rest of their roster, we could be
Speaker 4: looking at this Texans team as a really good one.
Speaker 2: So definitely one that will will watch.
Speaker 4: Maybe not a ton of wins this season, but a
Speaker 4: lot more exciting than than the Davis Mills era last year.
Speaker 3: I just spect, yeah, I was good. I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: I'm really excited to see it.
Speaker 5: Maybe a guy diving some Bobby Slowick coaching clinks here
Speaker 5: because I don't know much about him, and just looking
Speaker 5: at the roster and how you know the depth of
Speaker 5: the roster and the strength of the roster on off,
Speaker 5: it looks to me like you know, lots of two
Speaker 5: back and two tight end sets because he Dalton Schultz
Speaker 5: and Damian Pears and Devin Singletary and that and Brevin Gjeordan,
Speaker 5: a bunch of guys that can make plays at running
Speaker 5: back and tight end. But you, like you mentioned receiver position,
Speaker 5: a lot of unproven names. They're outside of Robert Woods,
Speaker 5: who will see if he's a can get back to
Speaker 5: that previous form. So I'm just curious to see how
Speaker 5: they build it around CJ. Stroud and if he if
Speaker 5: he ultimately wins the battle, I think he will over
Speaker 5: Davis Mills.
Speaker 3: But you touched on something.
Speaker 5: I want to go ahead and finish with my question
Speaker 5: here on the Houston Texans with the the Will Anderson
Speaker 5: trade because you know, like you said, the value was
Speaker 5: didn't favor the Texans in terms of that trade up
Speaker 5: with the Cardinals, but you did get a player who
Speaker 5: and this is always so funny to me, can because
Speaker 5: two again, two years ago, this is a guy that
Speaker 5: surefire number one overall pick, Will Anderson's the best. We
Speaker 5: get to the draft process and guys start to knock
Speaker 5: him down like old, maybe he's not the high upside,
Speaker 5: Like what are you talking about. He was as high
Speaker 5: upside as you can possibly be there at Alabama. So,
Speaker 5: but one of the things I wanted to ask you
Speaker 5: was Demiko Ryans, and you know, having those Bama ties
Speaker 5: with a guy like Will Anderson, who we've heard about
Speaker 5: his character and work ethic, that's like a move where
Speaker 5: you get your leader of the offense right and Cej
Speaker 5: Straut the second pick, but then you come back on
Speaker 5: defense and you do the exact same thing. Is that
Speaker 5: kind of the thinking there about Will Anderson that it's
Speaker 5: beyond just the production but what he brings to the
Speaker 5: culture of the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you get your quarterback on offense quarterback on defense.
Speaker 4: I mean, defensive linement are typically that quarterback, But I
Speaker 4: mean that is sort of the the sort of cornerstone
Speaker 4: of each of your sides to the ball. And you
Speaker 4: think about it this way, And I don't want to
Speaker 4: put too much on Will Will Anderson.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a very good player.
Speaker 4: I think that he's I hate to use the phrase
Speaker 4: can't miss, but I think that you know, we're maybe
Speaker 4: talking about is he an eight to ten sack guy
Speaker 4: versus a fifteen sack guy. I think, regardless, he's going
Speaker 4: to be a guy that you're you're happy with every year.
Speaker 2: You know, the ceiling whatever will figure that out.
Speaker 4: But I think that he's going to be at minimum
Speaker 4: a eight to ten sack guy every year. But the
Speaker 4: reason I brought that up when you talk about Deniko
Speaker 4: one of his first years in San fran there they
Speaker 4: had a guy the last name Bosa, and that really
Speaker 4: that taking him.
Speaker 2: I think it was second overall.
Speaker 4: Will entering third overall really started the change of the
Speaker 4: San Francisco forty nine ers defense.
Speaker 2: He was able to.
Speaker 4: Really dictate a lot of what offenses did because of
Speaker 4: the pressure and the disruption he had. And I can't
Speaker 4: help but think that Demico Ryans when he's watching tape,
Speaker 4: maybe he's not saying that's Bosa, but maybe, just maybe,
Speaker 4: if I can get ninety percent of a Nick Bosa,
Speaker 4: eighty five percent of a Nick Bosa, this is a
Speaker 4: guy that can lead our turnaround for this defense. And
Speaker 4: I think Will Anderson has that sort of potential. As
Speaker 4: far as the.
Speaker 2: Character, it seems flawless.
Speaker 4: I'm sure they've had a lot of conversations with Nick
Speaker 4: Saban about who he is as a guy. And I
Speaker 4: think that you're gonna be talking five years from now
Speaker 4: and C. J. Stroud and Will Anderson and Demico Ryans
Speaker 4: are going to be competing for AFC South titles, maybe
Speaker 4: with the Colts, maybe with the Jags, maybe with the Titans.
Speaker 4: We'll see how the volves. But I think I feel
Speaker 4: really good about the long term future of the Texans.
Speaker 4: I don't know much about how many wins they have
Speaker 4: this year, next year, but three to five years down
Speaker 4: the line, I think this Texans team is going to
Speaker 4: feel really good about itself.
Speaker 5: That's gonna be music to Texans fans ears because it's
Speaker 5: been such a struggle the last couple of years, you know,
Speaker 5: coaching changes, every year for the last few years as well.
Speaker 5: So to get some consistency there and kind of have
Speaker 5: a plan and a vision for the long term future
Speaker 5: certainly will be nice. And I always say, you know,
Speaker 5: trust a coach that specializes in a certain area when
Speaker 5: he goes after a guy like like you said that
Speaker 5: the Bosa comparison to Anderson there. You know Mike McDaniel
Speaker 5: last year talking about to a tongue of b I
Speaker 5: Lowa trust him.
Speaker 3: He knows what he wants, what he's doing with this.
Speaker 5: What this offense requires, and he was pretty right with
Speaker 5: with to his performance a year ago. Just around this
Speaker 5: out here, Robert Woods, you mentioned him, Jimmy Ward, m J. Stewart,
Speaker 5: case Keenum, Chase Winovich. They traded for Shaq Mason, Sheldon, Rankins,
Speaker 5: Dalton Schultz. Busy off season there for the Houston Texans
Speaker 5: and Cam I told you.
Speaker 2: Uh going Texans. Jalen Petree, remember that name. He's a
Speaker 2: very very good player.
Speaker 4: I feel strongly about the safety here, Javon Holland, but
Speaker 4: I think he's in that group along with Javon of
Speaker 4: This is the next era of great safeties that we're
Speaker 4: going to be talking about. Some of the guys we
Speaker 4: talked about for a long time are getting a little
Speaker 4: early older when we talk about it, Kevin Byard or
Speaker 4: a Justin Simmons. Some of these guys are getting towards
Speaker 4: their thirty thirty year age, and I think some of
Speaker 4: these younger guys are going to become on those lists.
Speaker 4: And so Jalen Petre is a name to watch for
Speaker 4: the Sexan team too.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you mentioned he actually picked off to a
Speaker 5: last year that got called back because the cornerback pulled
Speaker 5: the receiver down, but he made a great play to
Speaker 5: pick him off and didn't count. But you can still say, yeah,
Speaker 5: that was pretty impressive what he just said right there.
Speaker 5: So yeah, fun division man. We said we were going
Speaker 5: to do a half hour. We didn't make that happen.
Speaker 5: But that's okay. Let's go ahead and finish up here
Speaker 5: with how we do this. Every single episode in the
Speaker 5: summer preview series are division superlatives. Cam just real briefly here,
Speaker 5: you can just give you the name. You don't have
Speaker 5: to describe it if you don't want to. Your top
Speaker 5: quarterback here in the AFC South.
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3: That's much to say there.
Speaker 2: He's special.
Speaker 5: He's a special look good this one though, This one,
Speaker 5: I'm not quite sure if I have my answer. I
Speaker 5: wrote one down, But who's the best non quarterback player
Speaker 5: on offense in this divison?
Speaker 3: M it's a tough one.
Speaker 2: That is a tough one non offense.
Speaker 5: Or not non quarterback on offense. A receiver, tight end,
Speaker 5: offensive line, running back.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good question.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think I still believe it's Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2: I still believe it's Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4: I know he's declining, but Derick Henry is a guy
Speaker 4: that keeps keeps off the defensive coordinators up every night,
Speaker 4: and so I think Derrick Henry is still the answer there.
Speaker 5: I took Quentin Nelson just because I don't think last
Speaker 5: year was who he was, and before that he was
Speaker 5: like a surefire first team All Pro left guards. I'm
Speaker 5: staying with my guy, Quentin Nelson about your best defensive
Speaker 5: player in the division.
Speaker 4: Here, Yeah, best defensive player should know you know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 5: That's my pick too, Jeffrey Simmons fan.
Speaker 4: Thinking back to the other question, Jonathan Taylor's could compete
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 2: That best non quarterback offensive player.
Speaker 4: But I'm going heavy Tennessee apparently, so Dereck Henry and
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 5: He depri from folks man. How about the top coach here?
Speaker 5: This one to me seems pretty pretty given as well.
Speaker 5: I will I don't know, maybe not.
Speaker 4: So I will have to say Doug Peterson here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's won a Super Bowl. I think he changed that
Speaker 4: whole jackson culture. I'm a big Mike Rabel fan. I
Speaker 4: think that he's see the top five or six head coach.
Speaker 4: He just happens to be in a division with another
Speaker 4: top five or six head coach.
Speaker 2: So Doug Peterson for me, slightly edges out Mike Brable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, just Mike Rabel. It's not that easy. That's
Speaker 5: I had forgotten him for a half second there, Now
Speaker 5: I remember him. So he's right there with Doug Peterson
Speaker 5: and the division champ. I think we both agree here Jacksonville, Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: Jaguars a lot more comfortably than they did last year.
Speaker 3: He is at Cameron Wolf on Twitter.
Speaker 5: Also get on that TikTok account because he's dropping elite
Speaker 5: father daughter content there as well, which you know, I
Speaker 5: love seeing that stuff. Cam go ahead and tell us
Speaker 5: what's coming down the pike this summer. Tell us what
Speaker 5: you're working on and where you'll be my friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be.
Speaker 4: Doing a lot of coverage of all divisions kind of
Speaker 4: through the summer.
Speaker 2: I'll take a little bit of time from Baker during
Speaker 2: this period.
Speaker 4: I don't know when this pod is coming out, but
Speaker 4: I will be hosting Good Morning Football in July, the
Speaker 4: week of July ninth, and so because before July ninth,
Speaker 4: tune in. The Good Morning Football off is after hopefully,
Speaker 4: hopefully you watched and got some clips, so I'll be
Speaker 4: doing that, and then we'll prep for training camp starting
Speaker 4: in late July. So this is our summer break season,
Speaker 4: so you'll see sporadic coverage in there, but we gear
Speaker 4: up for a little bit of rest before the big.
Speaker 5: Big season and a couple of shots out of the
Speaker 5: beach too. I'm sure this summer as you enjoy some
Speaker 5: time off, but we'll see how our training camp. Man,
Speaker 5: appreciate your time today, you did some heavy lifting for
Speaker 5: us and thanks as always.
Speaker 2: Cam appreciate you. Travis, thanks man, and.
Speaker 3: There he goes really fun episode.
Speaker 5: They're talking all things AFC South, also hearing from Dolphins
Speaker 5: fullback alec Ingold. That's going to be the next seven
Speaker 5: episodes after this, which takes you all the way up
Speaker 5: to the week of July seventeenth. That's what we're going
Speaker 5: to get into our positional previews and also hear from
Speaker 5: more players that we did the walk in talks with,
Speaker 5: so plenty of player interviews, plenty of divisional previews, positional previews.
Speaker 5: It's my favorite time of year, I think of the
Speaker 5: off season because a little bit of vacation but also
Speaker 5: getting ready for the upcoming year. All that anticipation builds,
Speaker 5: and you guys are gonna hear that here on the podcast.
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