WEBVTT - Part Two: John McAfee Is Not Funny Anymore 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:06.640 Mmm, Hello friends on the Internet. Friend Internet, I'm Robert Evans. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.239 This is Behind the Bastards podcast Bad People Tell You 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.880 about Him. It's part two of the John McAfee episode 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.639 with Me Today. As within part one is Lacy Moseley. Lacy, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:22.200 how's you doing? Lazy? You are again a comedian actress? 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.599 Scam got us? Yes, and you're ready to hear some 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.639 more about John McAfee. I'm loading up, I'm ready. J 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.000 mac all right, just gets worse. Yeah, we we ended 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:38.640 on drugging and raping a woman. Uh so week, not 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.159 a lot else for it to go but down, And 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.080 it was a laugh of awkwardness. Yeah, what a bad dude. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.839 It's it's gonna keep going down. So I forget when 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:48.800 I first became aware of John McAfee. It might have 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.200 been two thousand eleven, when I first read the Wired 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.320 article that I quoted from, you know earlier. I remember 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.959 being endlessly amused that the guy behind the world's most 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.280 irritating antivirus program was ridiculous madman off inventing drugs in 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.320 the jungle or something that was that was neat, like 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.600 we all use McAfee any virus and knowing that like 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.280 this shitty program that we all hate, Like the guy 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.319 who made is just a maniac out in the jungle. 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:12.520 I hadn't heard about the rape or anything yet. That 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.759 wasn't out until two sixteen, So I was a fan 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.040 of John McAfee for a while. Right when we started 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:18.959 the story, I was like, oh, yeah, what a great 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.520 scammers stand it up, you know, just like all most 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.200 scammeras do. And then yeah, it took a real turn. Yeah, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.920 yeah yeah. McAfee abandoned his jungle compound shortly after the 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.840 Belizian government raided him, and of course he assaulted u 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.959 dor ad Anisia at least allegedly assaulted, and he moved 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.640 back to his beach house on ambergris K full time 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.759 with an ever expanding cast of young women. He gave 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.040 each of them their own bungalow, called them his girlfriends, 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.080 and according to the girls, he paid them to poop 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.920 in his mouth through hammocks. Oh, I just dropped that 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:57.200 one out there. Now, that's gross. But they're adults, he's 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.400 paying them. It's whatever. Compared to the rapes, it's whatever. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.840 I'm not gonna judge. That's a specific that's your thing. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.320 If they're consenting adults and getting paid whatever. I'm not 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.520 gonna labor on it too long. It's it's cookie, but whatever. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.680 But he was the poopy he was he was, he 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.280 was the guy pooping. He was who's the guy being 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:21.959 pooped into? Yeah? Exactly? Okay, Okay, well, I mean Lazio. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.560 At least he wasn't pooping on babile whatever. It's this thing. Okay, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.840 that part's fine. Um, Now that fact didn't come out 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.120 into two sixteen and the release of Gringo, a documentary 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.200 about John McAfee. Accurate title, Yeah, accurate title. And we 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:36.960 will be talking about that more in a little bit. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.280 For now, I want to try to stay as chronological 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.280 as it is possible to be with a tale of 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.880 John McAfee, because, of course, he lies about himself constantly, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.720 So there was a lot of work on the back 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.200 end here being like, how did what's the timeline? What 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.720 actually happened here? I may have gotten some stuff mixed 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.480 up timeline wise. It's probably not perfect, but I think 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.640 this is as close as you can do. After his 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.880 jungle misadventures, John McAfee grew more and more paranoid since 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.119 he couldn't fully trust his guards, He bought a shipload 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.440 of dogs, only he didn't do a great job of 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.600 policing his dogs, and they had a tendency to run 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.360 around the beach pissing off his ex patent neighbors. The 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.680 angriest of these guys was a dude named Greg fall Now. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.120 Greg owned a sports bar in Orlando and he lived 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.240 in Belize for like half the year. It was his 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.359 chill out spotty at a nice beach house. He did 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.560 some construction in the country itself, and you know he 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:25.600 it was where he went to relax, and he kind 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.400 of it's whatever. Belize is like Ohio, like Ohio of 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.760 the Caribbean. Let's not be that mean to Belieze. I 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.640 like it. You are really hard on belie for no reason. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.640 It's a very ugly, awful play. I do not agree 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.440 and people to Belieze. I'm defending you, and I think 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.600 that your ginger wine is delightful. Look, people love Ohio too, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.000 I don't love what. Do you want to build a compound? 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:55.200 Belize is pretty I'd build a compound in Belize. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.560 I'd prefer to build a compound in Guatemala because they 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.040 got bag of mountains. But like he has some cool stuff. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.680 It's a nice place and books. You were just I 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.360 really hate that there's bugs everywhere. We come from Texas. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.480 You're talking about bugs. There's mountains of crickets out there. Yeah, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.119 criicks ain't doing nothing. Cricks give you a nice soundtrack 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:15.600 to your life, you know what I mean, some a 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.200 smmr for your sleep, Like they ain't biting the ship 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.760 out of you. Guys, don't go. I was eating pizza 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.200 and Guatemala with a friend once and he like grabs 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.240 the back of his neck and like pulls his hand 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.680 away and there's like a big, weird looking caterpillar in it, 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.960 and he like throws it down and then suddenly his 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.880 whole back bursts out and boils like it's just like 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.039 fucking wounds all over his back because it would crawl 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.040 it up him. And like the lady who are in 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.080 the pizza joint was like, oh, yeah, those those will 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:42.440 do that. You don't want to get those on you. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:48.920 It's so nonchalant. Yeah, you called them about thirty minutes, 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.520 so you might want to it's fine. But he said 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.480 that in belief that was in Guatemala, but it was 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.120 in Guatemala close to beliefs know where you said it was. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:04:59.840 I was just trying to throw more ship a little. 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.719 I'm not gonna throw shade on Belize. This is a 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.240 pro belize podcast, an anti McAfee p So this guy 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.920 who vacations from Orlando. Yeah, this this dude, this like 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.280 white ex pat dude. Who this is? He gets really 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.080 angry at John forming a bunch of uncontrollable dogs right now. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.360 It's really hard to tell what happened in the documentary Gringo. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.200 Most of the people that Nanette Bernstein talks to seem 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.560 to think that Greg Fall poisoned John McAfee's dogs. Other 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.479 people have definitely suspected that. John McAfee himself says that 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.240 he doesn't think Fall poisoned his dogs, that he didn't 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:39.080 think he would do that, but well, I don't know. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.280 The dogs got sick and McAfee shot them all and 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.520 was apparently furious about it because they were sick, and 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.440 if they were really poisoned, that's what you do to 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.240 spare the dogs the pain. It was a bad poison 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.320 or something like that, I don't I can't know. Greg Fall, 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.840 on November twelve, two thousand twelve, was found dead from 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.520 a gunshot wound to the head in his house, and 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.760 of course a lot of people suspected, oh McAfee hired 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:05.400 someone to kill Greg Fall because Greg poisoned his dogs. Really, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.279 I don't know what happened. I don't know if his 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.400 dogs were poisoned. I don't know if John McAfee's just 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.720 a goddamn lunatic and he thought his dogs are poisoned 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.719 and he shot them, and it's all possible. But Greg 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.279 Fall wound up dead, and John McAfee was considered the 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.719 obvious suspect, and it's still the obvious suspect, although but 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.760 no one did anything about it. I guess he was 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.800 the law at this point. Things were done. He was 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:28.880 not the job in ambergriss k. This was like a 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.599 part of like Belize that's like really well developed, so 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.120 like there's law there right in the jungle. He's not 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.320 back in the jungle anymore. And even back in the jungle, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:42.279 he get rated by the government. So John McAfee, uh, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.520 like the police start coming after him to question about 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.680 this guy who gets murdered, and everyone's saying it was 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.640 probably John. So hid from the police first by burying 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.760 himself in sand. But yes, he was trying to have 0:06:54.080 --> 0:07:00.880 like the whole day he was straw. He used a box. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:05.040 I'll breathe a through that. This guy is a fucking 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.040 he has millions of dollars. Sand. The sand is your 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.480 fresh choice. But sand is where you start. Okay, okay, okay, 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:20.040 Joe never So the fallout from this sparked the drama 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.880 that most people associate with John McAfee. He was a 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.800 major story for several days. Is the Belizian government searched 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.320 for him, and he life blogged his evasion of authorities. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.800 So he live blogged himself hiding from the law as 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.760 he you know, blees and cops are searching for him, 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.840 and he's staying in safe houses and all this stuff, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.200 wearing disguises which are always like, what's up, guys, it's 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.160 your John. He's typing and I guess in a laptop. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.880 He does meet with journalists during this time, and like 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.680 one thing all the journalists are certain about is that, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.720 like he's always in disguise, and he always thinks that 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.960 disguise is good, and that this guy's is always terrible. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.440 Like it's just a blond wig on a guy who's 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:03.960 clearly John McAfee just like one of them wrote about 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.640 like pretending to be tricked by the disguise because he 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.360 didn't want Like he figured John wouldn't talk to him 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.560 if you got to come up and be like, oh 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:16.600 where is where is John? So good at hiding? Oh 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.000 I got to talk to you. Oh the wig, Oh 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:21.800 my god, I never would have got I thought you 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:27.640 were blond John McAfee. I'm sorry, okay, So he in 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.760 the surprisingly regular updates that he posted on his blog 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.880 while he was hiding out from the law WiFi, like, yeah, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.160 Belize is like a country and stuff. I like, so 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.559 he's plugged in a Belie was not really looking for him. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.040 They don't have the kind of resources that we do, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.080 Like they don't have a DNA testing lab or anything 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.560 like that. Like so I don't think like the Belize 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.560 and law enforcement had the ability to like get that 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.120 in two thousand twelve to like be tapping in. They 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.400 couldn't even tap like his phone. Yeah, they might have 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.160 been able to do that, but like it's pretty easy 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.840 to get a burner phone in a place like that 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:05.480 out Like spongebobane car himself in sand blog live blogging, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.720 he started claiming that the reason the Beligian government was 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.760 after him. Was not the murder of Greg Fall, but 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.040 the fact that he had hacked their government and then 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.480 covered evidence of some vague, massive corruption, possibly tied to 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.760 the supposed giant drug ring that he believed was centered 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.600 in Karmelita. So he frequently claimed to have tens of 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.000 thousands of words and gigabytes of data, videos and pictures 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.559 and audio recordings, all proving this, you know, corruption in 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.800 the government of Belize, but he failed to actually produce anything. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.240 On one blog post titled the Closing Trap, he wrote this, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.920 I have been asked why I don't release everything at once. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.440 This is the bane of the modern press. The massive information, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.240 not just for my story, but for every story is 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.960 too great for an intelligent digestion. In the timeframe allotted 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.360 to a journalist prior to the publisher's deadline. The press 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.720 stories will describe, but they always describe a twisted shadow 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.640 and an ill lit room. I must control the flow, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.120 so the necessary glue of understanding as time to set. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.440 You know, this is like listening to Trump speak. But 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.559 if like Trump had a better like understanding of vcabulary 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.120 words going to school right, it's still veaguas fucking I 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.600 don't know what he said, but it sounded good. At 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.960 least sounds better twisted, shadow and right than than huge 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.400 and very very Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Trump 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.880 knows the word ill um. So McAfee and his much 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.959 shrunken entourage made their way into Guatemala like snuck through 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.120 Belize and made their way into Guatemala without a learning 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.400 the authorities of either country. Having spent again considerable time 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.360 in Guatemala, I can assure you that it is not 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.400 hard to sneak into or out of the country. Is 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:35.200 it even sneaking? Sometimes you pay the border guard some 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.280 cash or what it's there. They didn't even ask for 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.600 a lot, Honestly, it's just really it's rough out there. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.760 They're they're having trouble. You help them out when you 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.199 can write, like what do you have on you? Sometimes 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.439 you bribe the cops without and even asking, just because 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:49.800 you're like, you know, you look like you're having a 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.440 rough day. You don't even have to. You didn't even 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:58.000 do any crimes for later, for later. Okay, So John's 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.720 story had people interested, obviously, and we're there's a viral 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.400 story of a mad millionaire fleeing justice. There will be journalists. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.600 A crew from Vice managed to find John McAfee and 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:14.440 spent four days filming his flight to look for the 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:19.040 guy in the blonde wig. Pretty that's probably John mccaffee. Now, 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.719 this is fine from a journalistic point of view, potentially 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.240 even the start of a really great story. It's certainly 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.439 a documentary I would be interested in seeing. But someone 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:32.400 Advice made a spectacularly poor decision. On December third, two 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.559 thousand twelve, they published an article titled we are with 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:40.920 John McAfee right now, suckers Yeah. The article included a 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.679 photo of John McAfee next to an extremely uncomfortable looking 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.920 Vice editor. It conveyed very little information other than the 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.040 fact that Vice had found McAfee and they felt the 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.800 rest of the world were suckers now. Vice soon learned 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.920 why this is not the sort of thing journalists tend 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.520 to do, because the person who uploaded the picture to 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.320 that website failed her move the GEO data from the 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:10.280 pictures flick from the law. They dropped a pen on 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:16.240 my man, and they right, right, I mean he's rapist, right, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.520 that's true? Actually so and fuck any journalists would do that, 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.360 like find to wanna hang out with like a criminal 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.840 and try to like sneak across countries with him. That's 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.120 a cool story, you know, post about it while you're 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.560 doing it. See that's the age of millennials. That was 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.200 a millennial, Like it was a hold onto this information, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.000 compile an article, release in a later day. They're like, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.640 I want the likes. Yeah, when he gets into America, 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.200 be like and vice was with him the whole time, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.360 and then being like, oh, that's really I can't wait 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.679 that long. You guys lost any cool cred bite giving 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:52.280 him Twitter like, goddamn with with McAfee right now, so 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.240 crazy murder. The only thing worse than a nark is 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.400 an accidental narc Oh yeah, it's just come on. They 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.719 made it two. Someone just looked up the courtin You 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.320 might as well just took a picture to something like 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:08.000 really famous Guatemal drafted we're gonna get this restaurant. Yeah, 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.959 they've got like one of the Pyramids of toll or 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.559 something in the background. They tagged the restaurant. Yeah, we 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.800 left the review. McAfee don't like the chicken here with 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.280 John McAfee. So he got arrested, of course by the 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.360 Guatemal in Law enforce shout out to them for paying 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.520 attention to articles. I feel like it was one of 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.319 those things where they like, well, we have to arrest 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.200 him now. I feel like they didn't even find someone 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.120 sent it to them, Like, hey, y'all, do know he 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:37.920 a ship? All right? All right, all right. So McAfee 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:39.840 was arrested, but because he was a rich guy, he 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.439 was able to quickly hire a famous Guatemalan lawyer. There 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.520 was a brief worry about him being extradited back to beliefs, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.640 but he got around that by faking a heart attack, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.960 which basically kept him in the hospital long enough that 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.000 his lawyer was able to work some magic and get 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.360 him deported to America, safe and apparently immune from beliefs 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:01.520 and justice. Yeah, wow, hey man, you just got a 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.160 fake a heart attack. He found Guatemala cochrane and just 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.600 got away with everyone, got away with everything. Did have 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.880 to fake a heart attack? How do you? I mean, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.920 what do you have to do? Grab your arms? He 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.320 hurt himself, He like collapsed and hit his head and stuff. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.400 Like he really put some work and he sold it. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.520 He sold it. I'll give him credit, half asked the 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.960 fake Hart gave us the life alert he's old enough 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.200 that if he had just gave it us a I've 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.360 fallen down and I can't get up. Another lady who's laughed. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.680 That's enough. That's enough. You're like, sixty eight, we believe it. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.000 If a sixty year old grabs their chest at any point, 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.720 I'm not going to question nobody assumes fake heart attack. Yeah, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.840 you don't have to get a concussion in the process. 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.520 And again, look at the picture of John McAfee. John 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.760 McAfee at sixty nine looked like he'd been eating nothing 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.200 but crystal meth for forty years. I would yeah, I was. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.160 I assumed that hearts on its last big medical conditions. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.800 I'm like, yeah, this makes sense, that's plausible. But you 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.800 know what McAfee did say earlier in our previous episode, 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.400 he doesn't do anything half ass. So if he was 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.040 gonna take a heart attack, of course he's going to 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.040 get it. He was gonna take a heart attack. And 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.080 if he was gonna rape somebody, he was going to drug. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.320 Oh god, that's the dark side of it. You know, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.160 why did he have to do this? I know it's that. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.160 That's when I learned I was a fan of his. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.480 So we talked about how I got. I am not 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.360 a libertarian, but he's a big libertarian figure, and I 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.680 have some of those impulses. Like I'm a tall, white 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.480 guy who's been able to get away with a lot, 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.440 so I understand the impulse of wanting to not have 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.680 rules and stuff and like I just have enough already. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.160 Well yeah, and I like, I have enough friends who 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.000 rely on you know, medicare or stuff like that. And 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.720 I'm like, oh no, it's actually really good to have 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.280 these things, you know, It's it's fine, Like, but I 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.200 enjoyed John mcafew stick. It's always like I thought it 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.280 was fun, this millionaire nut job thing. It was. It 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.560 was cookie until I could even I could even forgive 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.360 if it was true that like this guy had poisoned 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.360 his dogs. I can't even forgive a murder for that, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.680 a murder for the poison dogs. That's why I got 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.840 to slow down. Now. People of the dogs, well yeah, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.560 people love dog That's why I'm like, if the only 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:07.760 bad people over dogs, Sophie, people over dogs, people over dogs. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.880 If I had to choose between you and your dog, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.360 wouldn't you want me to choose? You? Don't ask Sophie 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.520 that Sophie might actually, yeah, she's saying no. She said 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.360 kill me and keep her dog alive. It's a great dog. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.080 It is a great dog. Well, I'm not saying it's 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.480 okay to kill someone over a dog, but I'm saying that, like, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.320 if that was the only bad thing he'd done, if 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.480 someone had poisoned his dogs and then like a heat 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.920 of passion, he'd committed murder, I could be like, that's 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.880 not okay, but like passionately that could drive someone crazy. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.440 That could like I could see someone not being a 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.640 terrible person. Look, I was on his side after he 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:47.000 low key murdered his own nephew was like, I was like, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.640 I mean, you know, sometimes nephy use the casualty of 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.600 a scam, you know. But yeah, when he assaulted the woman, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.480 I had to hop off the ship. Yeah. Yeah, he's 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.920 a trash human. Yeah, rape is my line too. But 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:02.640 he escaped. He escaped, and we will talk about what 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.560 happens next, because there is so much more that happens 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.080 next than there should be, Lacey. It's heartbreaking, but you 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:13.560 know it's not heartbreaking. The wonderful products, services, and or 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:26.640 objects that advertised Bye bye, we're back. We just did 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.640 some ads for some products, and John McAfee just faked 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.600 a heart attack to escape Guatemala. So now we're back, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.040 we're talking about John McAfee. Now after you know, he 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.200 made his way back into the United States, we all 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.080 laughed advice for their their big funk up, and then 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.520 the world just sort of forgot about John McAfee for 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.000 a little while. Um, this did not go over well 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.760 with John McAfee because, as you may have started to know, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.399 he kind of likes post publicity. Yeah. I think he 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.840 likes attention when you going to run from the authorities 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.360 that you live blocks like this is great content, This 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.399 will be some good content. I'm trying to catch me 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.639 for this murder. You would think he would want to 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.680 fade into anonymity. Nah. Yeah, So John McAfee in order 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.160 to uh, you know, get himself back into the spotlight 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.760 a little bit, like two or three months after this 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.120 guy gets murdered and he's accused of the murder Greg Fall, 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.960 you know, has been dead for like three months, John 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:28.640 McAfee releases a viral YouTube video, how to uninstall McAfee 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.240 anti virus featuring John McAfee. Does have a fun premise. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.840 It starts with him in a smoking jacket and like 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.320 a fake background with a bunch of books behind him, 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.840 and he's like talking about how bad McAfee anti viruses 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.639 since he sold out his because he didn't have any 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.080 interest in it is a shitty problem. This is like 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.640 how Kevin Spacey wanted his YouTube video to go over. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.520 Yes uh, And it's he's wearing like a smoking jacket, 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.679 like young women come in and like fondle him at 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.800 different points and kiss him and stuff. At one point 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.960 he lights a cigarette with a hundred dollar bill and 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.400 then he cuts to a stair aeotypically nerdy looking guy 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.840 who he says will explain how to delete the software, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.000 and the rest of the video cuts between that guy 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.880 trying to delete the software and John McAfee, now half 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.840 naked wearing a gun, surrounded by women and big comical 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.280 boxes with like bath salts, like cereal boxes with bath 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.800 salts written on the front, and he's just railing bath 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.920 salts through a silly straw, and every time the video 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.600 cuts to like that nerdy guy and then back to McAfee, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.679 there's more guns and more drugs on the table and 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.080 more women around him, so they're really enhancing this bit. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.320 It's there. They're definitely playing to a bit. I'm gonna 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.119 play you a little selection of it so you can 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:37.359 get an idea of the tenor of this video. John Huh, yes, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.200 uh does that sound about right? We'll not completely you know. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.320 I mean, it's always there. It's watching. It's been watching 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.280 me for years. Every now' drawing on the fucking computer 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.480 and they're looking at me. You know, something went wrong. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.000 Fifteen years ago. I had some beautiful software and they 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:52.600 took it over. I don't know what they did. It 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.240 was like the time I hired that Bangkok prostitute to 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.040 do my taxes while I suck my It was terrible. 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.199 The same fucking thing is going on now. But I 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:02.800 know what to do. I know exactly what to do. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:13.040 Believe me, I've got a fucking flution right here. So okay, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:18.119 the graphics in this leave must to be. But yeah, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.440 you know a lot of diversity in this video. Why 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.359 do a a few black women. I guess that's from living 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.879 in Belize. Well, we'll be getting to that in a 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.080 little bit, Like say, that is one of the many 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.199 problematic things about Yeah, yeah, but you can see how 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.360 someone could just watch that video be like John mccafee, 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.639 he's a he's a card right, definitely on drugs and 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.960 that video his whole body is rid. His whole body's 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:46.400