Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello friends on the Internet. Friend Internet, I'm Robert Evans.
Speaker 1: This is Behind the Bastards podcast Bad People Tell You
Speaker 1: about Him. It's part two of the John McAfee episode
Speaker 1: with Me Today. As within part one is Lacy Moseley. Lacy,
Speaker 1: how's you doing? Lazy? You are again a comedian actress?
Speaker 1: Scam got us? Yes, and you're ready to hear some
Speaker 1: more about John McAfee. I'm loading up, I'm ready. J
Speaker 1: mac all right, just gets worse. Yeah, we we ended
Speaker 1: on drugging and raping a woman. Uh so week, not
Speaker 1: a lot else for it to go but down, And
Speaker 1: it was a laugh of awkwardness. Yeah, what a bad dude.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna keep going down. So I forget when
Speaker 1: I first became aware of John McAfee. It might have
Speaker 1: been two thousand eleven, when I first read the Wired
Speaker 1: article that I quoted from, you know earlier. I remember
Speaker 1: being endlessly amused that the guy behind the world's most
Speaker 1: irritating antivirus program was ridiculous madman off inventing drugs in
Speaker 1: the jungle or something that was that was neat, like
Speaker 1: we all use McAfee any virus and knowing that like
Speaker 1: this shitty program that we all hate, Like the guy
Speaker 1: who made is just a maniac out in the jungle.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about the rape or anything yet. That
Speaker 1: wasn't out until two sixteen, So I was a fan
Speaker 1: of John McAfee for a while. Right when we started
Speaker 1: the story, I was like, oh, yeah, what a great
Speaker 1: scammers stand it up, you know, just like all most
Speaker 1: scammeras do. And then yeah, it took a real turn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. McAfee abandoned his jungle compound shortly after the
Speaker 1: Belizian government raided him, and of course he assaulted u
Speaker 1: dor ad Anisia at least allegedly assaulted, and he moved
Speaker 1: back to his beach house on ambergris K full time
Speaker 1: with an ever expanding cast of young women. He gave
Speaker 1: each of them their own bungalow, called them his girlfriends,
Speaker 1: and according to the girls, he paid them to poop
Speaker 1: in his mouth through hammocks. Oh, I just dropped that
Speaker 1: one out there. Now, that's gross. But they're adults, he's
Speaker 1: paying them. It's whatever. Compared to the rapes, it's whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna judge. That's a specific that's your thing.
Speaker 1: If they're consenting adults and getting paid whatever. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna labor on it too long. It's it's cookie, but whatever.
Speaker 1: But he was the poopy he was he was, he
Speaker 1: was the guy pooping. He was who's the guy being
Speaker 1: pooped into? Yeah? Exactly? Okay, Okay, well, I mean Lazio.
Speaker 1: At least he wasn't pooping on babile whatever. It's this thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: that part's fine. Um, Now that fact didn't come out
Speaker 1: into two sixteen and the release of Gringo, a documentary
Speaker 1: about John McAfee. Accurate title, Yeah, accurate title. And we
Speaker 1: will be talking about that more in a little bit.
Speaker 1: For now, I want to try to stay as chronological
Speaker 1: as it is possible to be with a tale of
Speaker 1: John McAfee, because, of course, he lies about himself constantly,
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of work on the back
Speaker 1: end here being like, how did what's the timeline? What
Speaker 1: actually happened here? I may have gotten some stuff mixed
Speaker 1: up timeline wise. It's probably not perfect, but I think
Speaker 1: this is as close as you can do. After his
Speaker 1: jungle misadventures, John McAfee grew more and more paranoid since
Speaker 1: he couldn't fully trust his guards, He bought a shipload
Speaker 1: of dogs, only he didn't do a great job of
Speaker 1: policing his dogs, and they had a tendency to run
Speaker 1: around the beach pissing off his ex patent neighbors. The
Speaker 1: angriest of these guys was a dude named Greg fall Now.
Speaker 1: Greg owned a sports bar in Orlando and he lived
Speaker 1: in Belize for like half the year. It was his
Speaker 1: chill out spotty at a nice beach house. He did
Speaker 1: some construction in the country itself, and you know he
Speaker 1: it was where he went to relax, and he kind
Speaker 1: of it's whatever. Belize is like Ohio, like Ohio of
Speaker 1: the Caribbean. Let's not be that mean to Belieze. I
Speaker 1: like it. You are really hard on belie for no reason.
Speaker 1: It's a very ugly, awful play. I do not agree
Speaker 1: and people to Belieze. I'm defending you, and I think
Speaker 1: that your ginger wine is delightful. Look, people love Ohio too,
Speaker 1: I don't love what. Do you want to build a compound?
Speaker 1: Belize is pretty I'd build a compound in Belize. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to build a compound in Guatemala because they
Speaker 1: got bag of mountains. But like he has some cool stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a nice place and books. You were just I
Speaker 1: really hate that there's bugs everywhere. We come from Texas.
Speaker 1: You're talking about bugs. There's mountains of crickets out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: criicks ain't doing nothing. Cricks give you a nice soundtrack
Speaker 1: to your life, you know what I mean, some a
Speaker 1: smmr for your sleep, Like they ain't biting the ship
Speaker 1: out of you. Guys, don't go. I was eating pizza
Speaker 1: and Guatemala with a friend once and he like grabs
Speaker 1: the back of his neck and like pulls his hand
Speaker 1: away and there's like a big, weird looking caterpillar in it,
Speaker 1: and he like throws it down and then suddenly his
Speaker 1: whole back bursts out and boils like it's just like
Speaker 1: fucking wounds all over his back because it would crawl
Speaker 1: it up him. And like the lady who are in
Speaker 1: the pizza joint was like, oh, yeah, those those will
Speaker 1: do that. You don't want to get those on you.
Speaker 1: It's so nonchalant. Yeah, you called them about thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: so you might want to it's fine. But he said
Speaker 1: that in belief that was in Guatemala, but it was
Speaker 1: in Guatemala close to beliefs know where you said it was.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to throw more ship a little.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw shade on Belize. This is a
Speaker 1: pro belize podcast, an anti McAfee p So this guy
Speaker 1: who vacations from Orlando. Yeah, this this dude, this like
Speaker 1: white ex pat dude. Who this is? He gets really
Speaker 1: angry at John forming a bunch of uncontrollable dogs right now.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell what happened in the documentary Gringo.
Speaker 1: Most of the people that Nanette Bernstein talks to seem
Speaker 1: to think that Greg Fall poisoned John McAfee's dogs. Other
Speaker 1: people have definitely suspected that. John McAfee himself says that
Speaker 1: he doesn't think Fall poisoned his dogs, that he didn't
Speaker 1: think he would do that, but well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The dogs got sick and McAfee shot them all and
Speaker 1: was apparently furious about it because they were sick, and
Speaker 1: if they were really poisoned, that's what you do to
Speaker 1: spare the dogs the pain. It was a bad poison
Speaker 1: or something like that, I don't I can't know. Greg Fall,
Speaker 1: on November twelve, two thousand twelve, was found dead from
Speaker 1: a gunshot wound to the head in his house, and
Speaker 1: of course a lot of people suspected, oh McAfee hired
Speaker 1: someone to kill Greg Fall because Greg poisoned his dogs. Really,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I don't know if his
Speaker 1: dogs were poisoned. I don't know if John McAfee's just
Speaker 1: a goddamn lunatic and he thought his dogs are poisoned
Speaker 1: and he shot them, and it's all possible. But Greg
Speaker 1: Fall wound up dead, and John McAfee was considered the
Speaker 1: obvious suspect, and it's still the obvious suspect, although but
Speaker 1: no one did anything about it. I guess he was
Speaker 1: the law at this point. Things were done. He was
Speaker 1: not the job in ambergriss k. This was like a
Speaker 1: part of like Belize that's like really well developed, so
Speaker 1: like there's law there right in the jungle. He's not
Speaker 1: back in the jungle anymore. And even back in the jungle,
Speaker 1: he get rated by the government. So John McAfee, uh,
Speaker 1: like the police start coming after him to question about
Speaker 1: this guy who gets murdered, and everyone's saying it was
Speaker 1: probably John. So hid from the police first by burying
Speaker 1: himself in sand. But yes, he was trying to have
Speaker 1: like the whole day he was straw. He used a box.
Speaker 1: I'll breathe a through that. This guy is a fucking
Speaker 1: he has millions of dollars. Sand. The sand is your
Speaker 1: fresh choice. But sand is where you start. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Joe never So the fallout from this sparked the drama
Speaker 1: that most people associate with John McAfee. He was a
Speaker 1: major story for several days. Is the Belizian government searched
Speaker 1: for him, and he life blogged his evasion of authorities.
Speaker 1: So he live blogged himself hiding from the law as
Speaker 1: he you know, blees and cops are searching for him,
Speaker 1: and he's staying in safe houses and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: wearing disguises which are always like, what's up, guys, it's
Speaker 1: your John. He's typing and I guess in a laptop.
Speaker 1: He does meet with journalists during this time, and like
Speaker 1: one thing all the journalists are certain about is that,
Speaker 1: like he's always in disguise, and he always thinks that
Speaker 1: disguise is good, and that this guy's is always terrible.
Speaker 1: Like it's just a blond wig on a guy who's
Speaker 1: clearly John McAfee just like one of them wrote about
Speaker 1: like pretending to be tricked by the disguise because he
Speaker 1: didn't want Like he figured John wouldn't talk to him
Speaker 1: if you got to come up and be like, oh
Speaker 1: where is where is John? So good at hiding? Oh
Speaker 1: I got to talk to you. Oh the wig, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I never would have got I thought you
Speaker 1: were blond John McAfee. I'm sorry, okay, So he in
Speaker 1: the surprisingly regular updates that he posted on his blog
Speaker 1: while he was hiding out from the law WiFi, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Belize is like a country and stuff. I like, so
Speaker 1: he's plugged in a Belie was not really looking for him.
Speaker 1: They don't have the kind of resources that we do,
Speaker 1: Like they don't have a DNA testing lab or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Like so I don't think like the Belize
Speaker 1: and law enforcement had the ability to like get that
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve to like be tapping in. They
Speaker 1: couldn't even tap like his phone. Yeah, they might have
Speaker 1: been able to do that, but like it's pretty easy
Speaker 1: to get a burner phone in a place like that
Speaker 1: out Like spongebobane car himself in sand blog live blogging,
Speaker 1: he started claiming that the reason the Beligian government was
Speaker 1: after him. Was not the murder of Greg Fall, but
Speaker 1: the fact that he had hacked their government and then
Speaker 1: covered evidence of some vague, massive corruption, possibly tied to
Speaker 1: the supposed giant drug ring that he believed was centered
Speaker 1: in Karmelita. So he frequently claimed to have tens of
Speaker 1: thousands of words and gigabytes of data, videos and pictures
Speaker 1: and audio recordings, all proving this, you know, corruption in
Speaker 1: the government of Belize, but he failed to actually produce anything.
Speaker 1: On one blog post titled the Closing Trap, he wrote this,
Speaker 1: I have been asked why I don't release everything at once.
Speaker 1: This is the bane of the modern press. The massive information,
Speaker 1: not just for my story, but for every story is
Speaker 1: too great for an intelligent digestion. In the timeframe allotted
Speaker 1: to a journalist prior to the publisher's deadline. The press
Speaker 1: stories will describe, but they always describe a twisted shadow
Speaker 1: and an ill lit room. I must control the flow,
Speaker 1: so the necessary glue of understanding as time to set.
Speaker 1: You know, this is like listening to Trump speak. But
Speaker 1: if like Trump had a better like understanding of vcabulary
Speaker 1: words going to school right, it's still veaguas fucking I
Speaker 1: don't know what he said, but it sounded good. At
Speaker 1: least sounds better twisted, shadow and right than than huge
Speaker 1: and very very Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Trump
Speaker 1: knows the word ill um. So McAfee and his much
Speaker 1: shrunken entourage made their way into Guatemala like snuck through
Speaker 1: Belize and made their way into Guatemala without a learning
Speaker 1: the authorities of either country. Having spent again considerable time
Speaker 1: in Guatemala, I can assure you that it is not
Speaker 1: hard to sneak into or out of the country. Is
Speaker 1: it even sneaking? Sometimes you pay the border guard some
Speaker 1: cash or what it's there. They didn't even ask for
Speaker 1: a lot, Honestly, it's just really it's rough out there.
Speaker 1: They're they're having trouble. You help them out when you
Speaker 1: can write, like what do you have on you? Sometimes
Speaker 1: you bribe the cops without and even asking, just because
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, you look like you're having a
Speaker 1: rough day. You don't even have to. You didn't even
Speaker 1: do any crimes for later, for later. Okay, So John's
Speaker 1: story had people interested, obviously, and we're there's a viral
Speaker 1: story of a mad millionaire fleeing justice. There will be journalists.
Speaker 1: A crew from Vice managed to find John McAfee and
Speaker 1: spent four days filming his flight to look for the
Speaker 1: guy in the blonde wig. Pretty that's probably John mccaffee. Now,
Speaker 1: this is fine from a journalistic point of view, potentially
Speaker 1: even the start of a really great story. It's certainly
Speaker 1: a documentary I would be interested in seeing. But someone
Speaker 1: Advice made a spectacularly poor decision. On December third, two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, they published an article titled we are with
Speaker 1: John McAfee right now, suckers Yeah. The article included a
Speaker 1: photo of John McAfee next to an extremely uncomfortable looking
Speaker 1: Vice editor. It conveyed very little information other than the
Speaker 1: fact that Vice had found McAfee and they felt the
Speaker 1: rest of the world were suckers now. Vice soon learned
Speaker 1: why this is not the sort of thing journalists tend
Speaker 1: to do, because the person who uploaded the picture to
Speaker 1: that website failed her move the GEO data from the
Speaker 1: pictures flick from the law. They dropped a pen on
Speaker 1: my man, and they right, right, I mean he's rapist, right,
Speaker 1: that's true? Actually so and fuck any journalists would do that,
Speaker 1: like find to wanna hang out with like a criminal
Speaker 1: and try to like sneak across countries with him. That's
Speaker 1: a cool story, you know, post about it while you're
Speaker 1: doing it. See that's the age of millennials. That was
Speaker 1: a millennial, Like it was a hold onto this information,
Speaker 1: compile an article, release in a later day. They're like,
Speaker 1: I want the likes. Yeah, when he gets into America,
Speaker 1: be like and vice was with him the whole time,
Speaker 1: and then being like, oh, that's really I can't wait
Speaker 1: that long. You guys lost any cool cred bite giving
Speaker 1: him Twitter like, goddamn with with McAfee right now, so
Speaker 1: crazy murder. The only thing worse than a nark is
Speaker 1: an accidental narc Oh yeah, it's just come on. They
Speaker 1: made it two. Someone just looked up the courtin You
Speaker 1: might as well just took a picture to something like
Speaker 1: really famous Guatemal drafted we're gonna get this restaurant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got like one of the Pyramids of toll or
Speaker 1: something in the background. They tagged the restaurant. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: left the review. McAfee don't like the chicken here with
Speaker 1: John McAfee. So he got arrested, of course by the
Speaker 1: Guatemal in Law enforce shout out to them for paying
Speaker 1: attention to articles. I feel like it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where they like, well, we have to arrest
Speaker 1: him now. I feel like they didn't even find someone
Speaker 1: sent it to them, Like, hey, y'all, do know he
Speaker 1: a ship? All right? All right, all right. So McAfee
Speaker 1: was arrested, but because he was a rich guy, he
Speaker 1: was able to quickly hire a famous Guatemalan lawyer. There
Speaker 1: was a brief worry about him being extradited back to beliefs,
Speaker 1: but he got around that by faking a heart attack,
Speaker 1: which basically kept him in the hospital long enough that
Speaker 1: his lawyer was able to work some magic and get
Speaker 1: him deported to America, safe and apparently immune from beliefs
Speaker 1: and justice. Yeah, wow, hey man, you just got a
Speaker 1: fake a heart attack. He found Guatemala cochrane and just
Speaker 1: got away with everyone, got away with everything. Did have
Speaker 1: to fake a heart attack? How do you? I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you have to do? Grab your arms? He
Speaker 1: hurt himself, He like collapsed and hit his head and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like he really put some work and he sold it.
Speaker 1: He sold it. I'll give him credit, half asked the
Speaker 1: fake Hart gave us the life alert he's old enough
Speaker 1: that if he had just gave it us a I've
Speaker 1: fallen down and I can't get up. Another lady who's laughed.
Speaker 1: That's enough. That's enough. You're like, sixty eight, we believe it.
Speaker 1: If a sixty year old grabs their chest at any point,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to question nobody assumes fake heart attack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to get a concussion in the process.
Speaker 1: And again, look at the picture of John McAfee. John
Speaker 1: McAfee at sixty nine looked like he'd been eating nothing
Speaker 1: but crystal meth for forty years. I would yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I assumed that hearts on its last big medical conditions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this makes sense, that's plausible. But you
Speaker 1: know what McAfee did say earlier in our previous episode,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything half ass. So if he was
Speaker 1: gonna take a heart attack, of course he's going to
Speaker 1: get it. He was gonna take a heart attack. And
Speaker 1: if he was gonna rape somebody, he was going to drug.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's the dark side of it. You know,
Speaker 1: why did he have to do this? I know it's that.
Speaker 1: That's when I learned I was a fan of his.
Speaker 1: So we talked about how I got. I am not
Speaker 1: a libertarian, but he's a big libertarian figure, and I
Speaker 1: have some of those impulses. Like I'm a tall, white
Speaker 1: guy who's been able to get away with a lot,
Speaker 1: so I understand the impulse of wanting to not have
Speaker 1: rules and stuff and like I just have enough already.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I like, I have enough friends who
Speaker 1: rely on you know, medicare or stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, it's actually really good to have
Speaker 1: these things, you know, It's it's fine, Like, but I
Speaker 1: enjoyed John mcafew stick. It's always like I thought it
Speaker 1: was fun, this millionaire nut job thing. It was. It
Speaker 1: was cookie until I could even I could even forgive
Speaker 1: if it was true that like this guy had poisoned
Speaker 1: his dogs. I can't even forgive a murder for that,
Speaker 1: a murder for the poison dogs. That's why I got
Speaker 1: to slow down. Now. People of the dogs, well yeah,
Speaker 1: people love dog That's why I'm like, if the only
Speaker 1: bad people over dogs, Sophie, people over dogs, people over dogs.
Speaker 1: If I had to choose between you and your dog,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you want me to choose? You? Don't ask Sophie
Speaker 1: that Sophie might actually, yeah, she's saying no. She said
Speaker 1: kill me and keep her dog alive. It's a great dog.
Speaker 1: It is a great dog. Well, I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: okay to kill someone over a dog, but I'm saying that, like,
Speaker 1: if that was the only bad thing he'd done, if
Speaker 1: someone had poisoned his dogs and then like a heat
Speaker 1: of passion, he'd committed murder, I could be like, that's
Speaker 1: not okay, but like passionately that could drive someone crazy.
Speaker 1: That could like I could see someone not being a
Speaker 1: terrible person. Look, I was on his side after he
Speaker 1: low key murdered his own nephew was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, sometimes nephy use the casualty of
Speaker 1: a scam, you know. But yeah, when he assaulted the woman,
Speaker 1: I had to hop off the ship. Yeah. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a trash human. Yeah, rape is my line too. But
Speaker 1: he escaped. He escaped, and we will talk about what
Speaker 1: happens next, because there is so much more that happens
Speaker 1: next than there should be, Lacey. It's heartbreaking, but you
Speaker 1: know it's not heartbreaking. The wonderful products, services, and or
Speaker 1: objects that advertised Bye bye, we're back. We just did
Speaker 1: some ads for some products, and John McAfee just faked
Speaker 1: a heart attack to escape Guatemala. So now we're back,
Speaker 1: we're talking about John McAfee. Now after you know, he
Speaker 1: made his way back into the United States, we all
Speaker 1: laughed advice for their their big funk up, and then
Speaker 1: the world just sort of forgot about John McAfee for
Speaker 1: a little while. Um, this did not go over well
Speaker 1: with John McAfee because, as you may have started to know,
Speaker 1: he kind of likes post publicity. Yeah. I think he
Speaker 1: likes attention when you going to run from the authorities
Speaker 1: that you live blocks like this is great content, This
Speaker 1: will be some good content. I'm trying to catch me
Speaker 1: for this murder. You would think he would want to
Speaker 1: fade into anonymity. Nah. Yeah, So John McAfee in order
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, get himself back into the spotlight
Speaker 1: a little bit, like two or three months after this
Speaker 1: guy gets murdered and he's accused of the murder Greg Fall,
Speaker 1: you know, has been dead for like three months, John
Speaker 1: McAfee releases a viral YouTube video, how to uninstall McAfee
Speaker 1: anti virus featuring John McAfee. Does have a fun premise.
Speaker 1: It starts with him in a smoking jacket and like
Speaker 1: a fake background with a bunch of books behind him,
Speaker 1: and he's like talking about how bad McAfee anti viruses
Speaker 1: since he sold out his because he didn't have any
Speaker 1: interest in it is a shitty problem. This is like
Speaker 1: how Kevin Spacey wanted his YouTube video to go over.
Speaker 1: Yes uh, And it's he's wearing like a smoking jacket,
Speaker 1: like young women come in and like fondle him at
Speaker 1: different points and kiss him and stuff. At one point
Speaker 1: he lights a cigarette with a hundred dollar bill and
Speaker 1: then he cuts to a stair aeotypically nerdy looking guy
Speaker 1: who he says will explain how to delete the software,
Speaker 1: and the rest of the video cuts between that guy
Speaker 1: trying to delete the software and John McAfee, now half
Speaker 1: naked wearing a gun, surrounded by women and big comical
Speaker 1: boxes with like bath salts, like cereal boxes with bath
Speaker 1: salts written on the front, and he's just railing bath
Speaker 1: salts through a silly straw, and every time the video
Speaker 1: cuts to like that nerdy guy and then back to McAfee,
Speaker 1: there's more guns and more drugs on the table and
Speaker 1: more women around him, so they're really enhancing this bit.
Speaker 1: It's there. They're definitely playing to a bit. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play you a little selection of it so you can
Speaker 1: get an idea of the tenor of this video. John Huh, yes,
Speaker 1: uh does that sound about right? We'll not completely you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always there. It's watching. It's been watching
Speaker 1: me for years. Every now' drawing on the fucking computer
Speaker 1: and they're looking at me. You know, something went wrong.
Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago. I had some beautiful software and they
Speaker 1: took it over. I don't know what they did. It
Speaker 1: was like the time I hired that Bangkok prostitute to
Speaker 1: do my taxes while I suck my It was terrible.
Speaker 1: The same fucking thing is going on now. But I
Speaker 1: know what to do. I know exactly what to do.
Speaker 1: Believe me, I've got a fucking flution right here. So okay,
Speaker 1: the graphics in this leave must to be. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of diversity in this video. Why
Speaker 1: do a a few black women. I guess that's from living
Speaker 1: in Belize. Well, we'll be getting to that in a
Speaker 1: little bit, Like say, that is one of the many
Speaker 1: problematic things about Yeah, yeah, but you can see how
Speaker 1: someone could just watch that video be like John mccafee,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a card right, definitely on drugs and
Speaker 1: that video his whole body is rid. His whole body's
Speaker 1: always he's talking in a cadence that ain't yeah yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: nine million people have viewed that video so far, did
Speaker 1: very well. A lot of websites talked about it, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, watching casually. Back then, I assumed John McAfee
Speaker 1: was a fellow who had a sense of humor about himself, right, like,
Speaker 1: I know what you guys think, what you do and
Speaker 1: all the best ha ha, yeah exactly. The attention gradually faded, though,
Speaker 1: which prompted McAfee to launch several new schemes in two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. Now unfortunately for John McAfee, unfortunately for truth.
Speaker 1: That same year, Showtime and director Nannett Bernstein released Gringo,
Speaker 1: The Dangerous Life of John McAfee. The documentary was packed
Speaker 1: with shocking allegations. In addition to doctor at an easy
Speaker 1: Os rape allegations, it also alleged that members of McAfee's
Speaker 1: in Essence gang had beat a Belisian man to death,
Speaker 1: or beat him so badly that he later died in
Speaker 1: the hospital, and the way it comes across in the
Speaker 1: documentaries that McAfee became convinced that this guy was trying
Speaker 1: to kill him, but he was just some random dude
Speaker 1: in McAfee was like a paranoid nut job. And anyway,
Speaker 1: so there's an additional murder. So now there's greg Fall's murder,
Speaker 1: which the documentary pends on a guy who was kind
Speaker 1: of part of McAfee's entourage that he probably paid to
Speaker 1: kill him. We don't really know, but everything in like
Speaker 1: I would say, it's plausible. It seems really plausible to
Speaker 1: me based on what I've seen in the documentary and
Speaker 1: the evidence presented that he's involved in two murders in
Speaker 1: addition to the right. So now the documentary comes out,
Speaker 1: and of course John McAfee can't let that thing just
Speaker 1: just lie, you know. Of course, of course not. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he appreciated the attention well. He responded to the
Speaker 1: documentary alleging that he had murdered two people and raped
Speaker 1: a woman the same way he responded to everything else
Speaker 1: by being a goddamn maniac. He shot out a rapid
Speaker 1: fire series of tweets, including a picture of a Belizian
Speaker 1: newspaper with an article titled money for Lies and of
Speaker 1: course pictures of John McAfee and several sources of the documentary.
Speaker 1: John also posted video interviews with some of his Belizian girlfriends,
Speaker 1: essentially making the same claims about the Showtime documentary. These
Speaker 1: girls have been on the documentary and then suddenly they
Speaker 1: were showing up on YouTube videos claiming that they had
Speaker 1: been fed answers and stuff like that. He put up
Speaker 1: a Medium post where he laid out the case against
Speaker 1: the network and the net Bernstein. That Medium article included
Speaker 1: a video where several young Beligian men basically declared Dr
Speaker 1: d Anisio a fraud and a loose woman and said
Speaker 1: that of course why would she rape she was sucking everybody.
Speaker 1: That it's really a gross Later reporting by Bernstein had
Speaker 1: several of these people who filmed, you know, the people
Speaker 1: that McAfee had had film videos for him, basically tell
Speaker 1: her like, look, we did it because he paid his
Speaker 1: twelve bucks and we're dirt poor. It's bads, we don't
Speaker 1: have much money. We needed the cash. I can't say
Speaker 1: this for certain, it is impossible for me to know,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna play an excerpt from one of these
Speaker 1: videos and It really does seem like something somebody would
Speaker 1: do for twelve bucks. So all listen, Yes I met her. Man.
Speaker 1: By the way, my name is Felix. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: all listen. You know we were talking about about John.
Speaker 1: You know that he raped you. But um, if you're
Speaker 1: talking I am about rape. Come on, I should be
Speaker 1: the one that could accuse you. You know, because I
Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. Do you remember that. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I was working here in the property as well from
Speaker 1: the beginning, so I was always around, you know. So
Speaker 1: all listen, used to stay and um in our village,
Speaker 1: you know. So I lived very close to her, next
Speaker 1: to my aunt. So she invited me over and you know,
Speaker 1: we had talks. We you know, we used to go
Speaker 1: to the club, drink and stuff like that. I'm for sure, man,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of sex and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: There's several of those. They're all like that. You just
Speaker 1: say that this man is in gas station sunglasses, and
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody's neck move more in my life.
Speaker 1: If you want to just talk about physical physical attributes
Speaker 1: of a liar, this man straight up. If y'all can
Speaker 1: see this video, imagine Stevie Wonder in gas station knockoff.
Speaker 1: Oakley's just above it in the weaven telling us the story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he definitely got paid for short. You can see this
Speaker 1: video and all of the sources for this episode on
Speaker 1: our website Behind the Bastards dot com. If you want
Speaker 1: to watch a man lighted this credit a rape survivor
Speaker 1: that was that was a ted talk and just lie
Speaker 1: if that, please go watch that video because if anybody
Speaker 1: ever communicates which you like that in your life, you're
Speaker 1: definitely not telling you the truth now. McAfee's medium post
Speaker 1: also alleged that Bernstein and Showtime paid sources for their interviews,
Speaker 1: which would be a breach of journalistic ethics. As proof,
Speaker 1: he included a Western Union receipt for thirty five dollars
Speaker 1: from Nanette Bernstein to one of the subjects of the documentary.
Speaker 1: Nannette claims that this money that was paid was in
Speaker 1: exchange for licensing pictures and video taken by these sources,
Speaker 1: and the documentary has a ton of that. It's filled
Speaker 1: with pictures that these people who were hanging out with
Speaker 1: John and were sources of the documentary took of them
Speaker 1: and videos they took. Because she wasn't able to tape
Speaker 1: John mccafee and considering how much of that she used, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could totally see here paying well over thars for
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, like having film documentaries and places
Speaker 1: like this. I don't didn't pay people for their interviews,
Speaker 1: but I definitely paid people for access to footage. You know,
Speaker 1: it's what you do out there, and sometimes you pay
Speaker 1: them thousands of dollars. And it is kind because it
Speaker 1: is you're paying for the footage, but there definitely are
Speaker 1: implications I could lead people to believe that you're also
Speaker 1: kicking in for their story. It's not the black and
Speaker 1: whitest area of journalism, but it's not inherently shady that
Speaker 1: she would have paid these people. But what's crazy is
Speaker 1: that people love to believe abusers and liars like this
Speaker 1: when it's like, come on now, if you saw a
Speaker 1: dude that looked like John McAfee on the motherfucker's street
Speaker 1: as somebody told you that he was a rapist, and
Speaker 1: let's say he was having a party tonight and he
Speaker 1: was like you trying to give you a flyer, or
Speaker 1: somebody's like, god, that guy's a rapist, he would be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go to that party, like you would
Speaker 1: immediately not go to that party. I feel like giant
Speaker 1: full arm and shoulder length tribal tattoos are like being
Speaker 1: in the sex offender registry, Like it says the same
Speaker 1: thing to me, like okay. Also, just like he was
Speaker 1: walking advertisement for met and fed me, like please stop
Speaker 1: acting like y'all didn't watch those truth commercials in the
Speaker 1: nineties where people were melting into couches and ship It
Speaker 1: was always a dude who looked just like McAfee on
Speaker 1: there picking up his damn face like he is the
Speaker 1: after photo of Craig No. I believe everybody the after
Speaker 1: photo of something so uh. In that medium post, McAfee's
Speaker 1: mentioned suing Showtime for defamation. As of this moment, no
Speaker 1: lawsuit has been launched. There is some evidence that after
Speaker 1: decades of buying expensive homes and equally expensive lawsuits, as
Speaker 1: well as however much money it costs to flee justice
Speaker 1: and belize and higher Guatemala's best criminal defense attorney, Yeah,
Speaker 1: John McAfee was running low on cash at this point
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit evidence of that. So despite
Speaker 1: having claimed that he was done with the business world
Speaker 1: back in he signed a deal with MGT, a cyber
Speaker 1: security company, to become its CEO. Shares rose I think
Speaker 1: so yeah, shares rose with this announcement. Now, as part
Speaker 1: of the deal, MGT agreed to buy McAfee's Divasive app,
Speaker 1: an anti spyware program that someone had developed and that
Speaker 1: he was sticking his name on because he had some
Speaker 1: brand recognition. So for a while this seemed like a
Speaker 1: potential gold mine until the SEC subpoena then him and
Speaker 1: sent stocks tumble back down again. M he was snorting
Speaker 1: fake bath salts, fake bath salts, CEO raising shares even
Speaker 1: after the shares fell because the SEC subpoened them, was
Speaker 1: still up like five just because it had McAfee's name attached. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating, But no amount of legal, financial, or business
Speaker 1: trouble was going to stop John McAfee from hitting that
Speaker 1: last square on the white guy bingo card and running
Speaker 1: for president of the United States. At the time, I thought,
Speaker 1: M in believe of the United States, Lord, and if
Speaker 1: he had ran at the right time, he probably would
Speaker 1: be president right now. Because this is a smarter Trump.
Speaker 1: He did run in the same election Trump ran in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he started giving lurid interviews to YouTube channels
Speaker 1: with names like Liberty Pen and other Libertary. He ran
Speaker 1: as a that's why he didn't win. He ran as
Speaker 1: a racist. I mean, I mean what, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're probably right if he's just thrown in some like.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about McAfee is all of his racism
Speaker 1: has been of the consuming people's dietism. He's a culture vulture.
Speaker 1: He's a culture vulture. But he's not to build the
Speaker 1: wall kind of guy. No, no, no, yeah, although maybe
Speaker 1: he'll turn into that in the next two or three years. Transformed.
Speaker 1: So the videos for John McAfee's presidential campaign were distinctly
Speaker 1: less fun than his wacky McAfee uninstalled McAfee viral hit.
Speaker 1: That video had been pretty clearly tongue in cheek. You know,
Speaker 1: the guns and the drugs are all joking, right, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of silly funny because yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: funny because like he's making fun of this image that
Speaker 1: he had. Sure, yeah, he was definitely poking fun at
Speaker 1: the image. Yeah, the campaign videos. In these videos, the
Speaker 1: caricature has gone. It's not funny anymore. Not a bad
Speaker 1: I think he is, but he's not joking about it,
Speaker 1: and he's not joking about the guns either. The video
Speaker 1: is portrayed just a heavily armed and clearly unhinged man.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play you a selection from that video,
Speaker 1: but I really recommend you at home watch it again,
Speaker 1: John McAfee. And this does not come across a wacky
Speaker 1: or mad cap. He seems ill, like very ill, like
Speaker 1: our current president. Yeah, in chaos, power is powerless. Power
Speaker 1: only works when there is a structure through which power
Speaker 1: can flow, the boss, the second in command, the third
Speaker 1: in command, the fourth in command, the peon. When that
Speaker 1: breaks down and the peon no longer is listening, and
Speaker 1: the peon goes, I'm mad as hell and I'm not
Speaker 1: taking this ship anymore, then chaos rains. So the whole
Speaker 1: video is like that is, he spends a lot of
Speaker 1: time talking about how the Sinaloa cartel is coming to
Speaker 1: kill him. He's always got a gun in his hand.
Speaker 1: There's tons of shots of him just walking around on
Speaker 1: his porch with a rifle, like his security guard is
Speaker 1: like it's he seems unhinged, right, you saw it, Like
Speaker 1: he's just always got a gun like but in this day,
Speaker 1: it is though, I'm like, I can still see him
Speaker 1: being a viable kid. Yeah, No, I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be viable. I'm saying he seems ill in that
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Like what was he even talking about? The peon? Peon?
Speaker 1: Is that you? Is that me? Why are you loading
Speaker 1: guns in this video in your presidential campaign? Are you
Speaker 1: about to shoot? In this presidential campaign video? The Sinaloa Cartel.
Speaker 1: His belief has evolved from like this town as a
Speaker 1: center of drug trafficking to the Beliesian government and the
Speaker 1: Sinaloa cartel are after him. So now in that video,
Speaker 1: he talks a lot about how like, yeah, the cartel
Speaker 1: is coming to murder him and his family. Why we
Speaker 1: want you to be president? Why would we want you?
Speaker 1: That seems like we have to start really invested in
Speaker 1: more security and like you all wanted man. Also, he's
Speaker 1: smoking copious amounts of cigarettes in this video. What are
Speaker 1: we supposed to take from this? It's really weird. He
Speaker 1: also drinks um increasingly in the things you've seen, He's
Speaker 1: been claiming he's been sober and hasn't drunk at this
Speaker 1: point on, He's never not drinking whenever journalists around him
Speaker 1: whenever he's in a video, he's always drinking huge amounts
Speaker 1: of alcohol. And he gains about forty pounds from two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen up to present day. And I think
Speaker 1: it's mostly from the liquor. He looks kind of healthy, though,
Speaker 1: he looks kind of healthy there. This is the start.
Speaker 1: This is the start, okay, because I was about to
Speaker 1: say he was pretty cracked out, so forty pounds actually
Speaker 1: would look nice on his frame. Now, there's a woman
Speaker 1: in that video named Janice Dyson. Now, in December twelve,
Speaker 1: when John McAfee first returned to the U s from
Speaker 1: Central America, he met Janice outside of a cafe in Florida.
Speaker 1: She offered him a blow job. He said no, but
Speaker 1: he paid her to cuddle. At least according to him,
Speaker 1: they wound up striking up a relationship. This apparently angered
Speaker 1: her pimp, a guy named crutch Field, who she and
Speaker 1: McAfee claim wanted her to give him info on where
Speaker 1: McAfee was staying so he could kidnap McAfee or something.
Speaker 1: It's crutch Fields, the name of the pimp that sounds
Speaker 1: like a pimp that does very but like a low
Speaker 1: budget pimp. Cutch Field doesn't have any crushed velvet. He
Speaker 1: doesn't own any gate of shoes. I don't think any
Speaker 1: of the nice he met her outside of a cafe,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's like operating out of like a six Nissan,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This ain't a good pimp.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about like Bellagio level, right right, This
Speaker 1: ain't Bishop. Crush Field is a very low budget pimp.
Speaker 1: They probably not even accepting venmo or like app payments,
Speaker 1: Like they either don't accept venmo or only take venmo.
Speaker 1: He probably still bartering like yeah, we'll do sex acts
Speaker 1: for for can goods. No it's not John McAfee. They
Speaker 1: might take bitcoin. Yeah, so Crushfield one of the location
Speaker 1: anyone cation so we can kidnap John McAfee. Janice apparently
Speaker 1: claims that she like stopped talking to her pimp at
Speaker 1: this point, and she and John start dating and they
Speaker 1: got married two thirteen, So a few months after meeting him,
Speaker 1: they get married, but they seem to have had an
Speaker 1: instantly kind of difficult relationship. Um so later in two
Speaker 1: thousan thirteen, she leaves their home in Portland after a
Speaker 1: fight and calls crutch Field she got her pimp I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what her life really be. Low on funds,
Speaker 1: he must be low on funds, or maybe they had
Speaker 1: a good relationship. I don't know. No, I mean like
Speaker 1: McAfee must be low on funds because I feel like
Speaker 1: once you leave your pimp, you don't go back to pimping. Well,
Speaker 1: if you leave your rich husband. Maybe as right there,
Speaker 1: she might have been going to him for emotional support.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. But he told her
Speaker 1: people were after McAfee. Uh, And she claims that, you know,
Speaker 1: she reconciled with John after this, but crutch Field started
Speaker 1: blackmailing her and making her leave the doors of their
Speaker 1: home unlocked and trying to get her to drug his
Speaker 1: food so he'd be easy to kidnap. Now very possible
Speaker 1: these are all lies on her part, because I do
Speaker 1: think that John mc if he may have married another scammer.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, he liked scammers. I will say this,
Speaker 1: the journal or the doctor who went to play guitar
Speaker 1: and then met him in a bar and then started
Speaker 1: working in a compound. That sounds like some scammer ships
Speaker 1: in me, like she was also a scammer for sure. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll get into what she might have been doing. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: nothing justifies what he did to her. But I just
Speaker 1: also want to say that she was definitely a scammer.
Speaker 1: His nephew was a scammer. Ne nepnoptism He was definitely
Speaker 1: a nep neptism um. He was definitely a scammer. So
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. It's like planetary bodies. These people
Speaker 1: orbit around each other. That's just the way it works.
Speaker 1: But what orbits around this podcast are the fine sponsors
Speaker 1: and advertisers that support this show. We're back. We're talking
Speaker 1: about John McAfee who has just married uh young lady
Speaker 1: named Janice, who claims that after a fight, she wound
Speaker 1: up being blackmailed by her pimp to help him kidnap
Speaker 1: John McAfee, probably on behalf of some cartel or something.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to say what happened here and what
Speaker 1: the truth is. This is what Janice claims, this is
Speaker 1: what McAfee claims. There were several interviews with him published
Speaker 1: after the two thousand and sixteen election, and you know
Speaker 1: this was all well, he'd moved to Tennessee by this
Speaker 1: point and bought a small compound in Tennessee this time. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to say what happens, but this
Speaker 1: is what he starts telling journalists around this time that
Speaker 1: his wife tried to have him murdered or tried to
Speaker 1: have him kidnapped or something. And yeah, it's it makes
Speaker 1: sense she did contact the pimp again, so maybe maybe
Speaker 1: so anyway, what we do. What we know for sure
Speaker 1: is that after the sixteen election, interviews with John McAfee
Speaker 1: at his compound in Tennessee show him like really degenerating.
Speaker 1: For one thing, he's drinking constantly, even though he was
Speaker 1: still claiming to be so at that point. For another,
Speaker 1: his security detail expanded from the one guy you see
Speaker 1: in that video to like a basketball team worth of muscular,
Speaker 1: heavily armed men, like he posed with them regularly, like
Speaker 1: he'd love to photo shoot. Yeah, he's always naked, always
Speaker 1: wearing a gun, and always surrounded by big guys with guns.
Speaker 1: Like McAfee gives me like rapper vibes, Like I'm getting
Speaker 1: a lot of chief key, like a lot of like
Speaker 1: just posing with guns, you know what. I really like
Speaker 1: that he really likes not shooting anyone, just having a
Speaker 1: like who's taking the photo shoes like, all right, could
Speaker 1: you smile less? Yeah? Yeah, can we get the gun more?
Speaker 1: You look tougher, a little tougher, okay, yeah, just flex
Speaker 1: your arms. Make sure the guy with a really big
Speaker 1: bicep corner right, can we get him in front so
Speaker 1: we can see the bicep lovely, we really need that
Speaker 1: beautiful Okay, and just cheat the gun a little to
Speaker 1: the left. Great. Great, that's great. McAfee, that's great. So uh.
Speaker 1: In September seen, all of John mccafee's paranoia exercised itself
Speaker 1: in a heavily armed rampage by John McAfee against his
Speaker 1: own home. Here's Newsweek quote. September four, Alex Hendrick, one
Speaker 1: of his guards, woke up in his basement bedroom to
Speaker 1: the sound of gunfire. Having served in the army for
Speaker 1: eight years, the private security guard recognized the noise. Immediately
Speaker 1: realizing the shots were coming from the rooms above him,
Speaker 1: Hendrick grabbed his assault rifle and rushed upstairs. There, naked
Speaker 1: but for an ammunition belt, was seventy one year old
Speaker 1: tech tycoon and former fugitive John McAfee spraying bullets into
Speaker 1: the wall and ceiling of the living room. Seeing Hendrick,
Speaker 1: he stopped firing. There's an intruder, he said. Janice McAfee,
Speaker 1: thirty four, John's wife of nearly five years, recalled that
Speaker 1: the couple were having sex at their home in Lexington, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: that night when they were interrupted by their dogs barking.
Speaker 1: He thought he heard movement in the crawl space under
Speaker 1: a bedroom in the attic, and then fired his gun
Speaker 1: into both areas. She later said in a statement to
Speaker 1: the FBI obtained by Newsweek. So seventy one engaged in
Speaker 1: coitus and found by his bodyguard naked with a bandelier
Speaker 1: of AMMO firing and which I want to be seventy
Speaker 1: one nakedly shooting up my own home. That sounds like
Speaker 1: a great time, right. This man has impeccable health. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's very robust. Talk about somebody who put
Speaker 1: their body through the wringer and that ship is holding up.
Speaker 1: Should we all be doing bath salts? Yes, our bath
Speaker 1: salts the key to hell. You need bath salts, guns
Speaker 1: and dogs, and that's apparently the key to health. Sophie.
Speaker 1: You look, I really can't tell what emotion you're expressing
Speaker 1: right now. You have a gun, so you're already a
Speaker 1: third of the way there. I mean a dog, So
Speaker 1: you're already you haven't dogs, not a gun. Dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a lot of dogs. He has a lot
Speaker 1: of dogs. Oh that after he murdered dogs, he has
Speaker 1: more dogs. Yeah, keeps getting more dogs. Seems to be
Speaker 1: a dog lover. Now. After this armed rampage, Janice claims
Speaker 1: she told McAfee that his wild paranoia was justified because
Speaker 1: she'd been informing on him to her former pimps. So
Speaker 1: this is when she tells John that she's been informing
Speaker 1: on him to her pimp. So she's validating his delusion
Speaker 1: a little bit. It might be that it might be
Speaker 1: a scam. It might be that he was just so
Speaker 1: angry that she felt like she had to tell him
Speaker 1: something so that he would calm down. Like it's really
Speaker 1: hard to tell what happened, but something nuts is happy
Speaker 1: when you're talking to a senile man with an assault rifle,
Speaker 1: bat salt again. At the time she's telling him this,
Speaker 1: he is naked with a gun in his hand, having
Speaker 1: just damaged their ear drums permanently by firing an assault
Speaker 1: rifle inside like John cooking outside. Okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm the guy I was trying to kill you, but
Speaker 1: now we're fine, which, if we look at history, that
Speaker 1: probably worked for him, since his last girlfriend definitely tried
Speaker 1: to shoot him in the head and he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, well you sleeping in the guesthouse now, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe she just wanted a guesthouse. You tried to shoot
Speaker 1: a John, you get a house. So after this whole misadventure,
Speaker 1: John McAfee told Newsweek, quote, it's a complicated morass of
Speaker 1: a spider's web. I am the fly, and the spider
Speaker 1: has more than eight legs. This is more or less
Speaker 1: the tenor of reading. John McAfee has said, uh, since
Speaker 1: two thousand sixty, very poetic. Yeah. So, because the security
Speaker 1: detail could find no signs of forced entry, McAfee started
Speaker 1: living under the assumption that some of them too, were
Speaker 1: in on the giant conspiracy against him. Oddly enough, John
Speaker 1: stayed with Janice, the wife who just admitted to helping
Speaker 1: drug king Bens hunt him. Quote, it's been one plot
Speaker 1: after another. My wife was in full cooperation with them,
Speaker 1: but at the same time trying to urge me not
Speaker 1: to do things that would lead me directly into the
Speaker 1: trap without telling me that she was cooperating to collect me.
Speaker 1: Janie has probably done more good than harm because while
Speaker 1: she was cooperating, she at the same time kind of
Speaker 1: likes me. I guess. He told Newsweek that he had
Speaker 1: no plans of leaving his wife and that they are
Speaker 1: still together today. He told them he loved her. She
Speaker 1: was not willing to say that she loved him, but
Speaker 1: she did tell Newsweek that she admired her husband. So
Speaker 1: there's that. I don't really know. You won't even lie
Speaker 1: to a news source about loving someone that means you
Speaker 1: hate them, because I wouldn't listen if I'm with the man.
Speaker 1: You know, he paid these bills and I ain't gotta
Speaker 1: go back down to fun. What was his name was
Speaker 1: crutch Field? Fucking crotchety ass himp named Crutchfield. Crutchfield. You
Speaker 1: know you're working long days? Like hell? No, like I
Speaker 1: at least say I love him on TV Newsweek not
Speaker 1: even real journalists. Yeah, like, yeah, you know, sorry, Newsweek.
Speaker 1: That was meaning for no reason. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe you deserve it and like, let me
Speaker 1: just research. Yeah, quote from Newsweek. In an email to
Speaker 1: NEWSWEK November twelve, McAfee wrote, I eat, sleep, and shower
Speaker 1: with a pistol in my hand. When I enter the
Speaker 1: main house from my bedroom secured with a ten gage
Speaker 1: solid steel door. My two German shepherds and one pit
Speaker 1: bull precede me. Moments before I emerge, I call my
Speaker 1: head of security and request that my detail all be
Speaker 1: sitting in reclining chairs with their feet up, a vulnerable
Speaker 1: position since I am standing and armed. It is not
Speaker 1: a fun situation. John mcfee's crazy right now. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. What his dogs and he's and he's pretty
Speaker 1: neurotic to like to think that you're like, dude, really
Speaker 1: you made an anti virus software program. Like you're not
Speaker 1: all choco, Like you don't have anything anybody wants. Calm down, John,
Speaker 1: Like nobody's looking for you. Nobody cares. The year after
Speaker 1: that Batshit Newsweek article was published, Men's Journal senter writer
Speaker 1: to John McAfee's compound, where it became clear the situation
Speaker 1: had deteriorated even further. McAfee spent his days darting around
Speaker 1: his compound looking for partly eaten packets of cream cheese,
Speaker 1: which he said were evidence of cartel hitman YEP. At
Speaker 1: one point, he picked up a random rock and insisted
Speaker 1: that it had been brought over from Mexico to help
Speaker 1: the hitman with their homesickness. The journalists noted that, like,
Speaker 1: because Maggie was like, they don't have rocks like this
Speaker 1: in America, and the guy was like, there was a
Speaker 1: pilot rocks nearby that looked just like it. He's just,
Speaker 1: you know, he really lost it. These aren't even signals.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least if there was like an avocado around,
Speaker 1: you could be like, yeah, the cartel left his avocado.
Speaker 1: But a rock is some cream cheese. Well it's hard
Speaker 1: to because number one, we one thing we know about
Speaker 1: John McAfee, what's his favorite pastime lying to journalists? So
Speaker 1: this could all be an act. But it also really
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of this might just be that
Speaker 1: he's gone off the deep end and he's bought into
Speaker 1: his own bullshit and he's legitimately crazy. Now I really
Speaker 1: don't know. Um. The article did make it very clear.
Speaker 1: The Men's Journal article made it very clear that John McAfee,
Speaker 1: who had been claiming to be sober for years, was
Speaker 1: now drinking heavily all day, every day, even pounding vodka
Speaker 1: in the t s. A line at the airport, which
Speaker 1: I've done. I'm not gonna I'm not too proud. I've wasted.
Speaker 1: Can't take it with you. You can't take it with
Speaker 1: you will take it away. So you pour it into
Speaker 1: a coffee thermis and you make sure that you're just
Speaker 1: sober enough to walk through that line, and then whatever
Speaker 1: happens in the airport after that is fine. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have so many bars in the airport. That's what
Speaker 1: they tell you to get there early. It's a scam.
Speaker 1: You don't need to get there early for t s.
Speaker 1: You gotta get the earliest. We can sit around in
Speaker 1: the airport bar and drink. I mean, that's why I
Speaker 1: get to the airport early. Airports like international laws, Like
Speaker 1: it's five o'clock all the time at the air port,
Speaker 1: always five o'clock, and nobody's got a problem if you're drinking.
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, you can drink it to name and
Speaker 1: people are like, ah, it's fine. I love airports now.
Speaker 1: The writer of that Men's Journal article followed John McAfee
Speaker 1: and his entourage to speak at a technology conference. During
Speaker 1: that time, the writer had a moment with McAfee's bodyguard,
Speaker 1: an older gentleman named Pool, and I'm going to read
Speaker 1: that quote because it really gives you some incredible color
Speaker 1: on the kind of people John McAfee has surrounded himself
Speaker 1: his last name. Okay, last night quote. I sit with Pool,
Speaker 1: a bald and white haired man with a penchant for
Speaker 1: endless Southern fried chatter and a devout belief in his boss.
Speaker 1: He doesn't go anywhere without me, says Pool, blowing on
Speaker 1: his coffee. He won't say exactly what he did before
Speaker 1: working with McAfee, but it involved a connected family in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I know there are bad guys out to get him,
Speaker 1: and it's not going to happen on my watch. I
Speaker 1: don't need sleep. I can watch all day and night.
Speaker 1: Pool makes a face and excuses himself. A few minutes later,
Speaker 1: he returns, holding a napkin to his bleeding mouth. I
Speaker 1: asked him what happened. I had a tooth that was
Speaker 1: othering me, so I went outside and asked the construction
Speaker 1: work or if I could borrow a wrench. He shows
Speaker 1: me an off color fang that was in his mouth
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. Pool tosses it into the trash. He
Speaker 1: flashes a gap tooth smile. Now I can enjoy my coffee.
Speaker 1: What okay, okay, First of all, McAfee, you can't get
Speaker 1: you your entourage no dental like they can't get dental.
Speaker 1: I guess they can't go to the dentist if they
Speaker 1: watch a day and night exactly. He's gonna do his
Speaker 1: own dentist work. You know, I'm gonna call this guy
Speaker 1: and Andy King, That's what I'm calling all people who
Speaker 1: are just this devout. Andy King was that dude who
Speaker 1: said he was gonna suck dig for every out water
Speaker 1: in the Fire Festival documentary. And now if anybody is
Speaker 1: that dedicated, but I might have to change it to pool.
Speaker 1: He's tooth out to impress a guy for Men's Journal,
Speaker 1: which it's a good article, good good, right, and good journalism,
Speaker 1: but weird, flex bro, your teeth are falling out, fam
Speaker 1: because if you could take I don't care if you
Speaker 1: had a construction tool, if you could take your own
Speaker 1: tooth out, that joint was loose. Yeah, probably Like you're all, man,
Speaker 1: how are you going to fight? I don't. I mean
Speaker 1: with a gun. You can be old and dangerous, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, but people can disarm people with guns. Was
Speaker 1: also old. He chopped everybody and then he pulls his
Speaker 1: own teeth out, So poor guy just just to pull
Speaker 1: back for a minute. In the fifteen years or so
Speaker 1: since the sky Gypsies were a thing, John McAfee has
Speaker 1: gone from an extreme sports guru partying with a bunch
Speaker 1: of rich adventure junkies to a very sick, very paranoid maniac,
Speaker 1: hanging out with a constellation of mentally ill people and opportunists,
Speaker 1: suckling off as apparently limitless cash reserves and enabling his paranoia. Now.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of my time when I was
Speaker 1: working in this article trying to figure out what exactly
Speaker 1: had driven John to such a place of madness. I
Speaker 1: got one possible answer near the end of my research
Speaker 1: after a helpful fan on Twitter appointed me to an
Speaker 1: article published by Jeff Wise in New York Magazine in
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, The obscure legal drug that fuels John McAfee.
Speaker 1: So you remember when they found those crystals, crystalline chemical
Speaker 1: and his jungle fortress. We're about to learn what it
Speaker 1: probably was. Quote from that article. A former member of
Speaker 1: his inner circle forwarded me a photo of a packaging
Speaker 1: label that one of McAfee's friends took in the course
Speaker 1: of a four day binge earlier in this month in
Speaker 1: New York City. Now the bene was in New York,
Speaker 1: but this is while John was living in Tennessee, not
Speaker 1: all that long before he started shooting up his own
Speaker 1: house and wandering around the grounds looking for cream cheese packets.
Speaker 1: Quote the label from a package delivered from a Chinese
Speaker 1: chemical company suggest by McAfee never called the drug by name.
Speaker 1: The moniker one finnel to one pyrodinal one hex n
Speaker 1: on hardly rolls, tripping lee off the tongue. The chemical
Speaker 1: compound has no street name, although among organic chemists it
Speaker 1: goes by the slightly catchiered handle of alpha PHP. Now.
Speaker 1: Alpha PHP is a dopamine uptake reinhibitor. UH. It basically
Speaker 1: makes you happy, deliriously excitedly happy, Like your brain normally
Speaker 1: releases dopamine during good times and then it sucks it
Speaker 1: back up into the synapses because you know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to have too much going on there. A drug
Speaker 1: like this stops your brain from sucking it back up.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing that ecstasy does with
Speaker 1: Sarah tonin. So uh. It's a powerful happy drug, UM,
Speaker 1: but it has downsides. Too, you don't say, there's a
Speaker 1: fantastic website that if you're if you're looking at experimenting
Speaker 1: with drugs the way I did when I was nine,
Speaker 1: If you're experimenting with drugs, you gotta check out errow it.
Speaker 1: It's a fantastic website. It collects errow wit errow w
Speaker 1: R O w I D Okay, because it sounds like
Speaker 1: you said, heroinformation gets you gotta start with that's where
Speaker 1: you start. No, no, don't start there. Don't ever go there, Okay,
Speaker 1: erow wind Guys. So if you're like into like I did,
Speaker 1: you know I've done. I've done like my ecstasy and
Speaker 1: my LSD and stuff. But I also did a bunch
Speaker 1: of weird ship that like two C T seven five
Speaker 1: mm e O M I P T uh what not
Speaker 1: d x M that's a common one, but like M
Speaker 1: D p V, I've done like weird. If you want,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do weird stuff, like we're gonna do
Speaker 1: like the chemicals and stuff. Yeah, they do sound like
Speaker 1: noise bands. A lot of noise bands are named after drugs.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that stuff, you gotta go to
Speaker 1: arrowit because it collects stories of other drug users, a
Speaker 1: lot of whom are also chemists to have made this stuff,
Speaker 1: and so it will be like the best health information available.
Speaker 1: But it also includes reports from people who have done
Speaker 1: this stuff and so. On this website, looking up alpha PHP,
Speaker 1: I found a particularly evocative review that I think will
Speaker 1: help us understand what was going on in John McAfee's
Speaker 1: head as he takes this stuff. The review was titled
Speaker 1: from Psychonaut to Junkie in two weeks, so it's not
Speaker 1: a happy story quote. I felt the rush build up
Speaker 1: in five minutes, and for the next twenty minutes I
Speaker 1: felt the most intense euphoria I have ever known. This
Speaker 1: felt miles more euphoric than cocaine. Surprisingly, it even felt
Speaker 1: better than meth. It felt too good, and twenty minutes
Speaker 1: later I felt the most heart pounding anxiety attack. I
Speaker 1: realized my stimulant tolerance was at zero forty MILLI him
Speaker 1: as a start dose with too much. I called myself
Speaker 1: down and walked around my entire house trying to ease
Speaker 1: my mind. After one hour of the initial dose, I
Speaker 1: took another thirty five to forty milligram line and the
Speaker 1: euphoria struck me again. It didn't wind out down like
Speaker 1: it with cocaine. The second line never feels as good
Speaker 1: as the first with cocaine, but with this it pretty
Speaker 1: much brought the euphoria back. So this guy describes as
Speaker 1: like better and more addictive cocaine. And we know John
Speaker 1: McAfee has a problem with cocaine, right, And I can
Speaker 1: see John having a similar first experience because this guy
Speaker 1: had a low tolerance when he first started. John's been
Speaker 1: sober for years and not doing and he happened exactly.
Speaker 1: I can see this hitting him hard, and I can
Speaker 1: see him falling hard in love with it. And the
Speaker 1: best thing about it, of course, would be that it's legal.
Speaker 1: There's something called the Analog Act, so if a drug
Speaker 1: that's not explicitly illegal by name is too similar to
Speaker 1: another drug that is illegal, that drug is also illegal.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of drugs out there that are
Speaker 1: really powerful psychedelics. You can tripp for like fucking sixteen hours,
Speaker 1: but there's no law against them because it's just something
Speaker 1: some somebody tweaked a couple of chemicals and now like
Speaker 1: this new psychedelic exists, and like, that's so what I
Speaker 1: was doing. I was a teenagers, we would buy this
Speaker 1: ship like nineteen twenty, we would buy this ship from
Speaker 1: like Canadian pharmaceutical sites, and you would just experiment with
Speaker 1: stuff nobody's done, and you're like, you've got some weird
Speaker 1: chemical that you're like, hope this doesn't kill me, Like,
Speaker 1: but the other thing you're hoping is that you don't
Speaker 1: run into what John ran into, which is like for
Speaker 1: everybody out there, there's one drug that will be your downfall.
Speaker 1: Like it's for some people, it's alcohol, for some people,
Speaker 1: it's meth for some people it's pills. Everybody's got a
Speaker 1: substance that if you were to try it, you'd realize
Speaker 1: it fills some hole in your head so well that
Speaker 1: like it's instantly a problem for you. Like that's that's
Speaker 1: something anyone who experiments with a lot of substances that's
Speaker 1: always in the back of your head. You're very much
Speaker 1: playing Russian Roulette when you start messing around with this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think John McAfee hit a loaded cylinder like that.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened, is he started playing around with
Speaker 1: some chemicals and he found one that hit his neurotransmitters
Speaker 1: just right. I'd just filled the hole in his brain
Speaker 1: because it's like, you can't go out and get this ship.
Speaker 1: You can't walk down the street or go to you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's possibly true. I'm gonna bet
Speaker 1: it's actually way cheaper than coke because it's not dark
Speaker 1: web like you just it doesn't have to be dark
Speaker 1: it's legal, so you you could just you could be
Speaker 1: so I can go to Walgrains and get this ship. No,
Speaker 1: but if you're you could. You're ordering it from like
Speaker 1: China or whatever. You can order it by the pound,
Speaker 1: and it's probably not crazy expensive, like if it's if
Speaker 1: it's not illegal, if they're just shipping it to you,
Speaker 1: then there's no demand. Yeah, why would it Why would
Speaker 1: it be expensive? Like, yeah, as long as it's someone's
Speaker 1: making it, it can be pretty reasonable. I haven't looked
Speaker 1: into what Alpha php costs, but I'm gonna guess it's
Speaker 1: cheaper than good blow. That's crazy, I don't know, um,
Speaker 1: But but it also makes sense though, because if this
Speaker 1: is something that specifically made um and it's not made
Speaker 1: to sell for cheaper, Like why blow is expensive, It's
Speaker 1: because most of its cut with ships, so you're paying
Speaker 1: to not snort baby laxative or whatever. Yeah, Okay, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. So a lot of
Speaker 1: John's behavior since two that's intend makes more sense if
Speaker 1: you realize he's been pounding better cocaine into his brain
Speaker 1: and increasing ghosts the entire time, and his what he
Speaker 1: was doing with Allison and that lab makes more sense
Speaker 1: if you think, oh, maybe this was how John wanted
Speaker 1: to fund his medical research is by selling alpha PHP
Speaker 1: because it's legal. And again he didn't get busted when
Speaker 1: the government found it, not because they had no idea
Speaker 1: what it was. It's one of those things. As soon
Speaker 1: as I read this article, a whole bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: fell into place that was all weird and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he was on this weird ass drug the whole time,
Speaker 1: and he was trying to sell it, and that's part
Speaker 1: of what he was doing in Belize. Yes, also, it
Speaker 1: must be hard to try to sell drugs when you
Speaker 1: are on them. Well, I assume he had distributors and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a business guy. He's good, he's he's
Speaker 1: he's good as businesses. Yeah, sure, he's fine at that part. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: the writer on Arrowood went on about his experiences, quote
Speaker 1: more and more, this substance start to take control of
Speaker 1: my life. I would be up all night. Now, instead
Speaker 1: of focusing on the task at hand, my procrastination was amplified.
Speaker 1: Instead of the rush, I just got an energy boost.
Speaker 1: Something strange about this substance. I began to notice like
Speaker 1: it had hijacked my mind and started to control me,
Speaker 1: and involuntarily I would be redosing without being fully aware that.
Speaker 1: I started to binge a few days straight. I said
Speaker 1: to myself, I don't have anything to worry about. I'm
Speaker 1: not an addict. I'll taper and give it up for
Speaker 1: a week. It never happened. The cravings were too intense.
Speaker 1: My mind was wired to seek it. The cravings were
Speaker 1: most intense, the most intense I ever felt. This is
Speaker 1: similar to cocaine. If I have a bag of cocaine,
Speaker 1: I want to finish it. It also hijacked my mind
Speaker 1: in a similar fashion. Cocaine was more fienish to me.
Speaker 1: Once the bag was done, I wouldn't have any desire
Speaker 1: to seek it again for a while. There were no
Speaker 1: cravings after the cocaine was gone, but there were strong cravings.
Speaker 1: While I had outa PHP, I would continue to snort
Speaker 1: it even though I knew that there was no point
Speaker 1: and I'm wasting it. But it is so hard to
Speaker 1: break that craving desire. This is what John McAfee might
Speaker 1: be on now, if the latest videos he's been posting
Speaker 1: or anything to go by, McAfee is definitely on this stuff.
Speaker 1: Because is about two weeks before this episode will drop.
Speaker 1: John McAfee announced to the Internet the I r S
Speaker 1: had convened a grand jury and Tennessee to charge him,
Speaker 1: his wife, and for McAfee twenty campaign workers with tax fraud.
Speaker 1: John admitted that he had not been paying taxes for
Speaker 1: the last eight years. UH. He further announced that in
Speaker 1: order to evade the I r S, he would be
Speaker 1: conducting his presidential campaign in exile aboard a boat sailing
Speaker 1: to and from various foreign ports YEA. In a series
Speaker 1: of tweets that have just been quite the ride, he
Speaker 1: claims his boat has thirty high tech firearms, and videos
Speaker 1: he has posted certainly show numerous guns among he and
Speaker 1: his crew. McAfee has a documentary on board what he's
Speaker 1: dubbed the Freedom Boat. UH. He's claiming the government's trying
Speaker 1: to rest in for political reasons, so he's trying to
Speaker 1: like seek asylum in the exumas under the wants that
Speaker 1: to be the reason. He wants that to be. No, John,
Speaker 1: you admitted he didn't pay taxes at eight years. That's
Speaker 1: what happens. He wants to be so baller. It really
Speaker 1: seems like he wants to be like a thug. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what I wanted to point I want you to watch
Speaker 1: one of the videos he posted on the second day
Speaker 1: of his egg zile because it really makes him look
Speaker 1: like he's on Alpha page. I'm gonna actually, before you
Speaker 1: play this, I'm gonna read you one last description from
Speaker 1: this user talking about what the drug did to him.
Speaker 1: People around me could notice my addiction before I did.
Speaker 1: They noticed my peoples were strange. They noticed I wasn't
Speaker 1: eating much or at all, and they noticed how fast
Speaker 1: I was talking. They noticed my nose was stuffy. My
Speaker 1: family noticed my face was changing, but they weren't all
Speaker 1: that concerned, just that I looked different. My dad said,
Speaker 1: I looked much weaker, with my hands all constantly shaky.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna play this video and you tell me
Speaker 1: if this looks like a guy going through that exact
Speaker 1: fucking thing. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, you're probably wondering
Speaker 1: how I'm going to manage my presidential campaign on the
Speaker 1: boat I have with me on this little speaker, my
Speaker 1: campaign manager, Rob los you in New York. We're going
Speaker 1: to be explain it. First of all, we have thousands
Speaker 1: of volunteers. Rob and one of our other volunteers are
Speaker 1: creating masks of my face. He looks like he's sitting
Speaker 1: in a massage chair, like his whole body is moving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can't stop moving the entire to his nose, and
Speaker 1: it looks like he's consciously trying not to touch his nose,
Speaker 1: but his hand just keeps flying up there. I had
Speaker 1: a little Twitter interaction with him, and he started claiming
Speaker 1: like people because I joked that he was on cocaine
Speaker 1: because that's what I thought. I hadn't read about the
Speaker 1: Alpha PHP and he was like, I'm not on cocaine.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a seventy three year old man. You know,
Speaker 1: you lose control of your body and stuff. And I
Speaker 1: lived with my grandpa when he was dying of Parkinson's
Speaker 1: at a d four. I know what it looks like
Speaker 1: when an old man loses control of his body. I've
Speaker 1: also done a lot of cocaine. And I know what
Speaker 1: it looks like when people are railing amphetamines and other
Speaker 1: kinds of uppers. It looks like that. Like that is
Speaker 1: what it looks like when you do too much, uncontrollable.
Speaker 1: Like I've seen sign language people like, you know, people
Speaker 1: who like interpret I've seen interpreters move less. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: he's his hands were constantly moving. Yeah, my god, it's scary. Right.
Speaker 1: He doesn't look healthy, No, not at all. Now he's
Speaker 1: posted numerous videos from his boat exile. He seems to
Speaker 1: be safely in the exhumers. Now. He at one point
Speaker 1: put up like a chart manifest of like what's on
Speaker 1: the boat, and it was like seven brave soldiers, you know,
Speaker 1: one John McAfee, four ten pounds of dogs. And he
Speaker 1: listed his wife as one terrifying black woman, John McAfee,
Speaker 1: that's the right response, and one angry black So you
Speaker 1: know where we're equipped. Yeah, look, oh god, John and
Speaker 1: his dogs look so confused, and all those they don't
Speaker 1: belong on yachts, their dogs. And this is also why
Speaker 1: people should not have this much money. Like this man
Speaker 1: did not need this much money, had no idea what
Speaker 1: to do with it. He manifested this whole life, and
Speaker 1: it's been a really bad one for a lot of
Speaker 1: the people around him. Now, I will note that I
Speaker 1: haven't found any evidence yet that the I R S
Speaker 1: actually did convene a grand jury in Tennessee. That's what
Speaker 1: John McAfee. So I don't think that they did. Because
Speaker 1: when the I R S comes to get you, they
Speaker 1: come to get you, they really do. It seems like
Speaker 1: they're they usually are pretty on the ball. They pick
Speaker 1: you up and they're like insist on a boat absolutely by.
Speaker 1: They don't get to leave the country when the IRS
Speaker 1: wants you. Maybe they slipped up, or maybe or maybe
Speaker 1: it had more to do with the fact than On
Speaker 1: November eighteen, roughly a month before John would get on
Speaker 1: his boat and go on the run, he was found
Speaker 1: legally liable via default judgment for the death of Greg
Speaker 1: Fall or murder of Greg Fall. I should say he
Speaker 1: was also found legally liable in two thousand and fourteen
Speaker 1: for the death of his nephew and that student at
Speaker 1: the Sky Gypsy Academy. Now, on November six, two eighteen,
Speaker 1: John tweeted about the judgment against him in the Greg
Speaker 1: Fall murder case. Quote this was my two third lawsuit.
Speaker 1: I never answered them. I always default to whatever their
Speaker 1: lawyers claim. My first wrongful death was due to an
Speaker 1: airplane that crashed piloted by my student pilot. I was
Speaker 1: found liable. I owe nothing, own nothing, and no one
Speaker 1: has ever collected. So it is possible at the end
Speaker 1: of all this that all of this madness, all of
Speaker 1: John McAfee's posturing with guns and his talk of drugs,
Speaker 1: that this is all more of an act, That this
Speaker 1: whole I R s things, whole presidential campaign, he's flying
Speaker 1: to uh the Exumas on a boat, that this is
Speaker 1: all just as much of a sham as his medical
Speaker 1: lab and belize that he's not maybe even not on
Speaker 1: alpha php and bath salts. Maybe this is all in
Speaker 1: act too, And maybe rather than being some Heart of
Speaker 1: Darkness style tale of Madison paranoia, John McAfee is just
Speaker 1: an asshole who's okay with rape and murder, doing whatever
Speaker 1: he can to predict whatever remains of his fortune from
Speaker 1: his lawyers. Maybe this is yet another scheme, like when
Speaker 1: he went to those newspapers back in the day, and
Speaker 1: he's just knows that he doesn't want greg Falls family
Speaker 1: to collect on anything, and so he fled the country.
Speaker 1: I don't know, or he's a madman on drugs on
Speaker 1: a boat or both. It's gotta be. It's gotta be.
Speaker 1: It's probably got. He's probably both lying to everyone on
Speaker 1: because he's definitely drinking a lot. That they quarts of
Speaker 1: liquor on the boat the way that which was he
Speaker 1: telling people? I don't know, because he's most people have
Speaker 1: enough shame to just like no shame. This guy also
Speaker 1: like he this is freaking crazy. He has been entangled
Speaker 1: with so many people's demise, this woman's rape, these people's murder,
Speaker 1: and like he has to at least be a sociopath,
Speaker 1: and he needs attention, like he needs people to be
Speaker 1: looking at him. He poses with guns like always for
Speaker 1: the last like thirty some odd years, He's never not
Speaker 1: had an enter. It feels like he's obsessed with celebrity,
Speaker 1: like he wants to be He's like a con artist,
Speaker 1: but he also wants to be famous. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of like he reminds me of Trump, but like
Speaker 1: a way smarter guy. This guy is intelligent and that
Speaker 1: he's not He's argue that he's so smart, but I
Speaker 1: also I feel like he's lost control to a degree,
Speaker 1: because what he's doing now is not as well thought,
Speaker 1: like his lie about being in financial trouble and then
Speaker 1: escape to believe that was a good con well executed.
Speaker 1: This seems like he may have lost the con a
Speaker 1: little bit, like he may just be winging it right
Speaker 1: now because he's got some problems and he's old. His
Speaker 1: mind's not working as well. He's on drugs and drinking again.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is just a scammer in
Speaker 1: his twilight years. I would assume that everyone on this
Speaker 1: boat is on this drug too. Yeah, maybe I think
Speaker 1: they might more be a mix of people who are
Speaker 1: doing it for the money. Like the boat pilot. It
Speaker 1: seems like a guy who's just like, yeah, dude, I
Speaker 1: just need and his wife, I assume, probably also in
Speaker 1: it for the money. She doesn't look like she's like.
Speaker 1: None of the other people on the boat have the
Speaker 1: same sort of like jerky, spasmodic kind of air to
Speaker 1: them that McAfee does. I'm sure they're all drinking. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably a mix of true believers who thinks
Speaker 1: he's like liberal Terry and Jesus, and a mix of
Speaker 1: people who are just in it for the cash, but
Speaker 1: I really don't know. It's weird. I hope his dogs
Speaker 1: are okay, Sophie. I don't really care about any of
Speaker 1: the people on that boat, but I hope the dogs
Speaker 1: are all right now. Those people have willingly, they know
Speaker 1: what they're in for. You don't get on a boat
Speaker 1: who looks like that. You don't get on a boat
Speaker 1: with this guy, with this guy and have me feel
Speaker 1: bad when it goes wrong on you. Right like, that
Speaker 1: black woman is on the second worst boat ride for
Speaker 1: black people. Have probably Jesus Like, there's obviously one boat
Speaker 1: ride that was a lot worse for us, but this
Speaker 1: one is probably also pretty bad, not as not as bad,
Speaker 1: but it's up there. We're gonna put it on the
Speaker 1: scale because that's a boat I would not be getting on. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. I will say I've had a couple of
Speaker 1: friends who were sex workers, and a number of people
Speaker 1: that I've interviewed who did that job, and the one
Speaker 1: thing all of them have said about being a sex
Speaker 1: worker is you never get on a guy's boat. Never
Speaker 1: ever ever get on a rich guy's boat. Water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: throw my hands into it out, I know, but I
Speaker 1: mean he documented that she's on the boat. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: only one terrifying black woman that is associated with it,
Speaker 1: that's true. And he's posted a lot of videos of
Speaker 1: their stuff. Oh there's stuff, well, just like them flying,
Speaker 1: driving around the boat, them drinking, like a lot of
Speaker 1: like out of focus pictures of chunks of the boat.
Speaker 1: Like it's really weird. But it's going to live forever.
Speaker 1: He's got another twenty years in and amongst sure, he's
Speaker 1: going to kill at least three more people, probably rape
Speaker 1: another couple of people. Oh no, Yeah, this guy what
Speaker 1: a degenerate, Like she harmed so many, a lot of people,
Speaker 1: his own family, just a lot of people. So I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you, are you gonna vote for him? I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not that much different from Trump. I mean, to
Speaker 1: be real, I mean I might pick him over Trump.
Speaker 1: But at least he's upfront with this ship. You know,
Speaker 1: he's eloquent. He just got a lot of presidential John
Speaker 1: McAfee eventually tells the truth when he commits Christ he
Speaker 1: got an army. He got his own army. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: funding his own militia for no reason. And at least,
Speaker 1: you know, not paying taxes in eight years is still
Speaker 1: more recently than the president's paid tax right, right, we
Speaker 1: could probably at least get his taxes. He probably has
Speaker 1: a couple of tacks returns, right he hasn't like railed
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Speaker 1: fortunate as Oh, honestly, it's really like prosperity. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to lie to He's got twenty more years
Speaker 1: of good, good Alabaster, you know, luck in him. Okay,
Speaker 1: he'll be the governor of fucking California. I've never seen
Speaker 1: somebody take white privilege so far. God not, God bless you,
Speaker 1: because I hope he does not bless you, but he
Speaker 1: already got plenty. He got so much, so much. The
Speaker 1: world is so fucked up. It's really damn like talk
Speaker 1: about a man who's just sucking everybody over. What a monster?
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Speaker 1: You put them on your body. They hide your nakedness.
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Speaker 1: you just like to wear a Yeah, unless you want
Speaker 1: to go to the McAfee route and just trap a
Speaker 1: gun to your chest and wear nothing else, which I
Speaker 1: approve of, uh and think should be the norm. Uh.
Speaker 1: If police officers dressed that way, traffic stops would be
Speaker 1: more fun. Just just a naked guy like walking around
Speaker 1: the side of the road and like a truck rolls
Speaker 1: by and a bunch of gravel gets like spun onto
Speaker 1: him and he's picking gravel at him. Love cops ego,
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