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Speaker 1: Mmm, Hello friends on the Internet. Friend Internet, I'm Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: This is Behind the Bastards podcast Bad People Tell You

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Speaker 1: about Him. It's part two of the John McAfee episode

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Speaker 1: with Me Today. As within part one is Lacy Moseley. Lacy,

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Speaker 1: how's you doing? Lazy? You are again a comedian actress?

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Speaker 1: Scam got us? Yes, and you're ready to hear some

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Speaker 1: more about John McAfee. I'm loading up, I'm ready. J

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Speaker 1: mac all right, just gets worse. Yeah, we we ended

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Speaker 1: on drugging and raping a woman. Uh so week, not

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Speaker 1: a lot else for it to go but down, And

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Speaker 1: it was a laugh of awkwardness. Yeah, what a bad dude.

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Speaker 1: It's it's gonna keep going down. So I forget when

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Speaker 1: I first became aware of John McAfee. It might have

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Speaker 1: been two thousand eleven, when I first read the Wired

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Speaker 1: article that I quoted from, you know earlier. I remember

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Speaker 1: being endlessly amused that the guy behind the world's most

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Speaker 1: irritating antivirus program was ridiculous madman off inventing drugs in

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Speaker 1: the jungle or something that was that was neat, like

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Speaker 1: we all use McAfee any virus and knowing that like

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Speaker 1: this shitty program that we all hate, Like the guy

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Speaker 1: who made is just a maniac out in the jungle.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about the rape or anything yet. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't out until two sixteen, So I was a fan

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Speaker 1: of John McAfee for a while. Right when we started

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Speaker 1: the story, I was like, oh, yeah, what a great

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Speaker 1: scammers stand it up, you know, just like all most

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Speaker 1: scammeras do. And then yeah, it took a real turn. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah. McAfee abandoned his jungle compound shortly after the

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Speaker 1: Belizian government raided him, and of course he assaulted u

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Speaker 1: dor ad Anisia at least allegedly assaulted, and he moved

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Speaker 1: back to his beach house on ambergris K full time

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Speaker 1: with an ever expanding cast of young women. He gave

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Speaker 1: each of them their own bungalow, called them his girlfriends,

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Speaker 1: and according to the girls, he paid them to poop

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Speaker 1: in his mouth through hammocks. Oh, I just dropped that

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Speaker 1: one out there. Now, that's gross. But they're adults, he's

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Speaker 1: paying them. It's whatever. Compared to the rapes, it's whatever.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna judge. That's a specific that's your thing.

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Speaker 1: If they're consenting adults and getting paid whatever. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna labor on it too long. It's it's cookie, but whatever.

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Speaker 1: But he was the poopy he was he was, he

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Speaker 1: was the guy pooping. He was who's the guy being

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Speaker 1: pooped into? Yeah? Exactly? Okay, Okay, well, I mean Lazio.

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Speaker 1: At least he wasn't pooping on babile whatever. It's this thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that part's fine. Um, Now that fact didn't come out

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Speaker 1: into two sixteen and the release of Gringo, a documentary

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Speaker 1: about John McAfee. Accurate title, Yeah, accurate title. And we

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Speaker 1: will be talking about that more in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: For now, I want to try to stay as chronological

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Speaker 1: as it is possible to be with a tale of

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Speaker 1: John McAfee, because, of course, he lies about himself constantly,

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Speaker 1: So there was a lot of work on the back

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Speaker 1: end here being like, how did what's the timeline? What

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Speaker 1: actually happened here? I may have gotten some stuff mixed

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Speaker 1: up timeline wise. It's probably not perfect, but I think

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Speaker 1: this is as close as you can do. After his

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Speaker 1: jungle misadventures, John McAfee grew more and more paranoid since

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Speaker 1: he couldn't fully trust his guards, He bought a shipload

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Speaker 1: around the beach pissing off his ex patent neighbors. The

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Speaker 1: angriest of these guys was a dude named Greg fall Now.

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Speaker 1: Greg owned a sports bar in Orlando and he lived

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Speaker 1: in Belize for like half the year. It was his

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Speaker 1: chill out spotty at a nice beach house. He did

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Speaker 1: some construction in the country itself, and you know he

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Speaker 1: it was where he went to relax, and he kind

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Speaker 1: of it's whatever. Belize is like Ohio, like Ohio of

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean. Let's not be that mean to Belieze. I

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Speaker 1: like it. You are really hard on belie for no reason.

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Speaker 1: It's a very ugly, awful play. I do not agree

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Speaker 1: and people to Belieze. I'm defending you, and I think

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Speaker 1: that your ginger wine is delightful. Look, people love Ohio too,

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Speaker 1: I don't love what. Do you want to build a compound?

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Speaker 1: Belize is pretty I'd build a compound in Belize. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd prefer to build a compound in Guatemala because they

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Speaker 1: really hate that there's bugs everywhere. We come from Texas.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about bugs. There's mountains of crickets out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: out of you. Guys, don't go. I was eating pizza

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Speaker 1: the pizza joint was like, oh, yeah, those those will

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Speaker 1: It's so nonchalant. Yeah, you called them about thirty minutes,

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Speaker 1: so you might want to it's fine. But he said

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Speaker 1: in Guatemala close to beliefs know where you said it was.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw shade on Belize. This is a

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Speaker 1: pro belize podcast, an anti McAfee p So this guy

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Speaker 1: who vacations from Orlando. Yeah, this this dude, this like

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Speaker 1: angry at John forming a bunch of uncontrollable dogs right now.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell what happened in the documentary Gringo.

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Speaker 1: Most of the people that Nanette Bernstein talks to seem

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Speaker 1: to think that Greg Fall poisoned John McAfee's dogs. Other

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Speaker 1: people have definitely suspected that. John McAfee himself says that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't think Fall poisoned his dogs, that he didn't

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Speaker 1: The dogs got sick and McAfee shot them all and

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Speaker 1: if they were really poisoned, that's what you do to

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Speaker 1: spare the dogs the pain. It was a bad poison

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Speaker 1: or something like that, I don't I can't know. Greg Fall,

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Speaker 1: on November twelve, two thousand twelve, was found dead from

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Speaker 1: of course a lot of people suspected, oh McAfee hired

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Speaker 1: someone to kill Greg Fall because Greg poisoned his dogs. Really,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I don't know if his

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Speaker 1: Fall wound up dead, and John McAfee was considered the

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Speaker 1: he get rated by the government. So John McAfee, uh,

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Speaker 1: this guy who gets murdered, and everyone's saying it was

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Speaker 1: probably John. So hid from the police first by burying

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Speaker 1: he has millions of dollars. Sand. The sand is your

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Speaker 1: Joe never So the fallout from this sparked the drama

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Speaker 1: that most people associate with John McAfee. He was a

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Speaker 1: major story for several days. Is the Belizian government searched

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Speaker 1: wearing disguises which are always like, what's up, guys, it's

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Speaker 1: He does meet with journalists during this time, and like

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Speaker 1: like he's always in disguise, and he always thinks that

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Speaker 1: Like it's just a blond wig on a guy who's

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Speaker 1: clearly John McAfee just like one of them wrote about

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Speaker 1: like pretending to be tricked by the disguise because he

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Speaker 1: where is where is John? So good at hiding? Oh

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Speaker 1: were blond John McAfee. I'm sorry, okay, So he in

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Speaker 1: the surprisingly regular updates that he posted on his blog

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Speaker 1: he started claiming that the reason the Beligian government was

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Speaker 1: On one blog post titled the Closing Trap, he wrote this,

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Speaker 1: I have been asked why I don't release everything at once.

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Speaker 1: This is the bane of the modern press. The massive information,

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Speaker 1: not just for my story, but for every story is

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Speaker 1: too great for an intelligent digestion. In the timeframe allotted

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Speaker 1: to a journalist prior to the publisher's deadline. The press

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Speaker 1: stories will describe, but they always describe a twisted shadow

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Speaker 1: and an ill lit room. I must control the flow,

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Speaker 1: so the necessary glue of understanding as time to set.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is like listening to Trump speak. But

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Speaker 1: if like Trump had a better like understanding of vcabulary

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Speaker 1: words going to school right, it's still veaguas fucking I

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Speaker 1: don't know what he said, but it sounded good. At

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Speaker 1: least sounds better twisted, shadow and right than than huge

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Speaker 1: and very very Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Trump

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Speaker 1: knows the word ill um. So McAfee and his much

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Speaker 1: shrunken entourage made their way into Guatemala like snuck through

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Speaker 1: Belize and made their way into Guatemala without a learning

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Speaker 1: the authorities of either country. Having spent again considerable time

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Speaker 1: hard to sneak into or out of the country. Is

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Speaker 1: it even sneaking? Sometimes you pay the border guard some

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Speaker 1: a lot, Honestly, it's just really it's rough out there.

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Speaker 1: They're they're having trouble. You help them out when you

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Speaker 1: can write, like what do you have on you? Sometimes

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Speaker 1: which the documentary pends on a guy who was kind

422
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Speaker 1: of part of McAfee's entourage that he probably paid to

423
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: kill him. We don't really know, but everything in like

424
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Speaker 1: I would say, it's plausible. It seems really plausible to

425
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: me based on what I've seen in the documentary and

426
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: the evidence presented that he's involved in two murders in

427
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: addition to the right. So now the documentary comes out,

428
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: and of course John McAfee can't let that thing just

429
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: just lie, you know. Of course, of course not. I'm

430
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: sure he appreciated the attention well. He responded to the

431
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: documentary alleging that he had murdered two people and raped

432
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: a woman the same way he responded to everything else

433
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: by being a goddamn maniac. He shot out a rapid

434
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: fire series of tweets, including a picture of a Belizian

435
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: newspaper with an article titled money for Lies and of

436
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: course pictures of John McAfee and several sources of the documentary.

437
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: John also posted video interviews with some of his Belizian girlfriends,

438
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: essentially making the same claims about the Showtime documentary. These

439
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: girls have been on the documentary and then suddenly they

440
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: were showing up on YouTube videos claiming that they had

441
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: been fed answers and stuff like that. He put up

442
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: a Medium post where he laid out the case against

443
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: the network and the net Bernstein. That Medium article included

444
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: a video where several young Beligian men basically declared Dr

445
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: d Anisio a fraud and a loose woman and said

446
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: that of course why would she rape she was sucking everybody.

447
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: That it's really a gross Later reporting by Bernstein had

448
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: several of these people who filmed, you know, the people

449
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: that McAfee had had film videos for him, basically tell

450
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: her like, look, we did it because he paid his

451
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: twelve bucks and we're dirt poor. It's bads, we don't

452
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: have much money. We needed the cash. I can't say

453
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: this for certain, it is impossible for me to know,

454
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna play an excerpt from one of these

455
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: videos and It really does seem like something somebody would

456
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: do for twelve bucks. So all listen, Yes I met her. Man.

457
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: By the way, my name is Felix. You know. Um,

458
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: all listen. You know we were talking about about John.

459
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: You know that he raped you. But um, if you're

460
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: talking I am about rape. Come on, I should be

461
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: the one that could accuse you. You know, because I

462
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. Do you remember that. Well, you know,

463
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: I was working here in the property as well from

464
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: the beginning, so I was always around, you know. So

465
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: all listen, used to stay and um in our village,

466
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: you know. So I lived very close to her, next

467
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: to my aunt. So she invited me over and you know,

468
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: we had talks. We you know, we used to go

469
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: to the club, drink and stuff like that. I'm for sure, man,

470
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: we had a lot of sex and stuff like that.

471
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: There's several of those. They're all like that. You just

472
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: say that this man is in gas station sunglasses, and

473
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody's neck move more in my life.

474
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 1: If you want to just talk about physical physical attributes

475
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: of a liar, this man straight up. If y'all can

476
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: see this video, imagine Stevie Wonder in gas station knockoff.

477
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: Oakley's just above it in the weaven telling us the story. Yeah,

478
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: he definitely got paid for short. You can see this

479
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: video and all of the sources for this episode on

480
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: our website Behind the Bastards dot com. If you want

481
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: to watch a man lighted this credit a rape survivor

482
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: that was that was a ted talk and just lie

483
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: if that, please go watch that video because if anybody

484
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: ever communicates which you like that in your life, you're

485
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: definitely not telling you the truth now. McAfee's medium post

486
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: also alleged that Bernstein and Showtime paid sources for their interviews,

487
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: which would be a breach of journalistic ethics. As proof,

488
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: he included a Western Union receipt for thirty five dollars

489
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: from Nanette Bernstein to one of the subjects of the documentary.

490
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Nannette claims that this money that was paid was in

491
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: exchange for licensing pictures and video taken by these sources,

492
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: and the documentary has a ton of that. It's filled

493
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: with pictures that these people who were hanging out with

494
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: John and were sources of the documentary took of them

495
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: and videos they took. Because she wasn't able to tape

496
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: John mccafee and considering how much of that she used, Yeah,

497
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: I could totally see here paying well over thars for

498
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, like having film documentaries and places

499
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: like this. I don't didn't pay people for their interviews,

500
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: but I definitely paid people for access to footage. You know,

501
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: it's what you do out there, and sometimes you pay

502
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: them thousands of dollars. And it is kind because it

503
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: is you're paying for the footage, but there definitely are

504
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: implications I could lead people to believe that you're also

505
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: kicking in for their story. It's not the black and

506
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: whitest area of journalism, but it's not inherently shady that

507
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: she would have paid these people. But what's crazy is

508
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: that people love to believe abusers and liars like this

509
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: when it's like, come on now, if you saw a

510
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: dude that looked like John McAfee on the motherfucker's street

511
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: as somebody told you that he was a rapist, and

512
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: let's say he was having a party tonight and he

513
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: was like you trying to give you a flyer, or

514
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: somebody's like, god, that guy's a rapist, he would be like, okay,

515
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go to that party, like you would

516
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: immediately not go to that party. I feel like giant

517
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: full arm and shoulder length tribal tattoos are like being

518
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: in the sex offender registry, Like it says the same

519
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: thing to me, like okay. Also, just like he was

520
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: walking advertisement for met and fed me, like please stop

521
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: acting like y'all didn't watch those truth commercials in the

522
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: nineties where people were melting into couches and ship It

523
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: was always a dude who looked just like McAfee on

524
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: there picking up his damn face like he is the

525
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: after photo of Craig No. I believe everybody the after

526
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: photo of something so uh. In that medium post, McAfee's

527
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: mentioned suing Showtime for defamation. As of this moment, no

528
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: lawsuit has been launched. There is some evidence that after

529
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: decades of buying expensive homes and equally expensive lawsuits, as

530
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: well as however much money it costs to flee justice

531
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: and belize and higher Guatemala's best criminal defense attorney, Yeah,

532
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: John McAfee was running low on cash at this point

533
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit evidence of that. So despite

534
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: having claimed that he was done with the business world

535
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: back in he signed a deal with MGT, a cyber

536
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: security company, to become its CEO. Shares rose I think

537
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, shares rose with this announcement. Now, as part

538
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: of the deal, MGT agreed to buy McAfee's Divasive app,

539
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: an anti spyware program that someone had developed and that

540
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: he was sticking his name on because he had some

541
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: brand recognition. So for a while this seemed like a

542
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: potential gold mine until the SEC subpoena then him and

543
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: sent stocks tumble back down again. M he was snorting

544
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: fake bath salts, fake bath salts, CEO raising shares even

545
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: after the shares fell because the SEC subpoened them, was

546
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: still up like five just because it had McAfee's name attached. Wow. Yeah,

547
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: it's frustrating, But no amount of legal, financial, or business

548
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: trouble was going to stop John McAfee from hitting that

549
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: last square on the white guy bingo card and running

550
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: for president of the United States. At the time, I thought,

551
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: M in believe of the United States, Lord, and if

552
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: he had ran at the right time, he probably would

553
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: be president right now. Because this is a smarter Trump.

554
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: He did run in the same election Trump ran in.

555
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, he started giving lurid interviews to YouTube channels

556
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: with names like Liberty Pen and other Libertary. He ran

557
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: as a that's why he didn't win. He ran as

558
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: a racist. I mean, I mean what, yeah, I mean,

559
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: you're probably right if he's just thrown in some like.

560
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing about McAfee is all of his racism

561
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: has been of the consuming people's dietism. He's a culture vulture.

562
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: He's a culture vulture. But he's not to build the

563
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: wall kind of guy. No, no, no, yeah, although maybe

564
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: he'll turn into that in the next two or three years. Transformed.

565
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: So the videos for John McAfee's presidential campaign were distinctly

566
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: less fun than his wacky McAfee uninstalled McAfee viral hit.

567
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: That video had been pretty clearly tongue in cheek. You know,

568
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: the guns and the drugs are all joking, right, Like

569
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of silly funny because yeah, but it's

570
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: funny because like he's making fun of this image that

571
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: he had. Sure, yeah, he was definitely poking fun at

572
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: the image. Yeah, the campaign videos. In these videos, the

573
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: caricature has gone. It's not funny anymore. Not a bad

574
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: I think he is, but he's not joking about it,

575
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: and he's not joking about the guns either. The video

576
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: is portrayed just a heavily armed and clearly unhinged man.

577
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play you a selection from that video,

578
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: but I really recommend you at home watch it again,

579
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: John McAfee. And this does not come across a wacky

580
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: or mad cap. He seems ill, like very ill, like

581
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: our current president. Yeah, in chaos, power is powerless. Power

582
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: only works when there is a structure through which power

583
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: can flow, the boss, the second in command, the third

584
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: in command, the fourth in command, the peon. When that

585
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: breaks down and the peon no longer is listening, and

586
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: the peon goes, I'm mad as hell and I'm not

587
00:30:52,880 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: taking this ship anymore, then chaos rains. So the whole

588
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: video is like that is, he spends a lot of

589
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: time talking about how the Sinaloa cartel is coming to

590
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: kill him. He's always got a gun in his hand.

591
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: There's tons of shots of him just walking around on

592
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: his porch with a rifle, like his security guard is

593
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: like it's he seems unhinged, right, you saw it, Like

594
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: he's just always got a gun like but in this day,

595
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: it is though, I'm like, I can still see him

596
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: being a viable kid. Yeah, No, I'm not saying he

597
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't be viable. I'm saying he seems ill in that

598
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Like what was he even talking about? The peon? Peon?

599
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: Is that you? Is that me? Why are you loading

600
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: guns in this video in your presidential campaign? Are you

601
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: about to shoot? In this presidential campaign video? The Sinaloa Cartel.

602
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: His belief has evolved from like this town as a

603
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: center of drug trafficking to the Beliesian government and the

604
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: Sinaloa cartel are after him. So now in that video,

605
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: he talks a lot about how like, yeah, the cartel

606
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: is coming to murder him and his family. Why we

607
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: want you to be president? Why would we want you?

608
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: That seems like we have to start really invested in

609
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: more security and like you all wanted man. Also, he's

610
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: smoking copious amounts of cigarettes in this video. What are

611
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: we supposed to take from this? It's really weird. He

612
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: also drinks um increasingly in the things you've seen, He's

613
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: been claiming he's been sober and hasn't drunk at this

614
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: point on, He's never not drinking whenever journalists around him

615
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: whenever he's in a video, he's always drinking huge amounts

616
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: of alcohol. And he gains about forty pounds from two

617
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen up to present day. And I think

618
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: it's mostly from the liquor. He looks kind of healthy, though,

619
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: he looks kind of healthy there. This is the start.

620
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: This is the start, okay, because I was about to

621
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: say he was pretty cracked out, so forty pounds actually

622
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: would look nice on his frame. Now, there's a woman

623
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: in that video named Janice Dyson. Now, in December twelve,

624
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: when John McAfee first returned to the U s from

625
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: Central America, he met Janice outside of a cafe in Florida.

626
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: She offered him a blow job. He said no, but

627
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: he paid her to cuddle. At least according to him,

628
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: they wound up striking up a relationship. This apparently angered

629
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: her pimp, a guy named crutch Field, who she and

630
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: McAfee claim wanted her to give him info on where

631
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: McAfee was staying so he could kidnap McAfee or something.

632
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: It's crutch Fields, the name of the pimp that sounds

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: like a pimp that does very but like a low

634
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: budget pimp. Cutch Field doesn't have any crushed velvet. He

635
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: doesn't own any gate of shoes. I don't think any

636
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: of the nice he met her outside of a cafe,

637
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's like operating out of like a six Nissan,

638
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This ain't a good pimp.

639
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: We're not talking about like Bellagio level, right right, This

640
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: ain't Bishop. Crush Field is a very low budget pimp.

641
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: They probably not even accepting venmo or like app payments,

642
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Like they either don't accept venmo or only take venmo.

643
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: He probably still bartering like yeah, we'll do sex acts

644
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: for for can goods. No it's not John McAfee. They

645
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: might take bitcoin. Yeah, so Crushfield one of the location

646
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: anyone cation so we can kidnap John McAfee. Janice apparently

647
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: claims that she like stopped talking to her pimp at

648
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: this point, and she and John start dating and they

649
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: got married two thirteen, So a few months after meeting him,

650
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: they get married, but they seem to have had an

651
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: instantly kind of difficult relationship. Um so later in two

652
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: thousan thirteen, she leaves their home in Portland after a

653
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: fight and calls crutch Field she got her pimp I don't.

654
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what her life really be. Low on funds,

655
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: he must be low on funds, or maybe they had

656
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: a good relationship. I don't know. No, I mean like

657
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: McAfee must be low on funds because I feel like

658
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: once you leave your pimp, you don't go back to pimping. Well,

659
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: if you leave your rich husband. Maybe as right there,

660
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: she might have been going to him for emotional support.

661
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. But he told her

662
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: people were after McAfee. Uh, And she claims that, you know,

663
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: she reconciled with John after this, but crutch Field started

664
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: blackmailing her and making her leave the doors of their

665
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: home unlocked and trying to get her to drug his

666
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: food so he'd be easy to kidnap. Now very possible

667
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: these are all lies on her part, because I do

668
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: think that John mc if he may have married another scammer.

669
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, he liked scammers. I will say this,

670
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: the journal or the doctor who went to play guitar

671
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: and then met him in a bar and then started

672
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: working in a compound. That sounds like some scammer ships

673
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: in me, like she was also a scammer for sure. Well,

674
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: we'll get into what she might have been doing. No, no, no,

675
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: nothing justifies what he did to her. But I just

676
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: also want to say that she was definitely a scammer.

677
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: His nephew was a scammer. Ne nepnoptism He was definitely

678
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: a nep neptism um. He was definitely a scammer. So

679
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. It's like planetary bodies. These people

680
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: orbit around each other. That's just the way it works.

681
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: But what orbits around this podcast are the fine sponsors

682
00:35:51,200 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: and advertisers that support this show. We're back. We're talking

683
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: about John McAfee who has just married uh young lady

684
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: named Janice, who claims that after a fight, she wound

685
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: up being blackmailed by her pimp to help him kidnap

686
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: John McAfee, probably on behalf of some cartel or something.

687
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: It's really hard to say what happened here and what

688
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: the truth is. This is what Janice claims, this is

689
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: what McAfee claims. There were several interviews with him published

690
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: after the two thousand and sixteen election, and you know

691
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: this was all well, he'd moved to Tennessee by this

692
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: point and bought a small compound in Tennessee this time. Um,

693
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to say what happens, but this

694
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: is what he starts telling journalists around this time that

695
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: his wife tried to have him murdered or tried to

696
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: have him kidnapped or something. And yeah, it's it makes

697
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: sense she did contact the pimp again, so maybe maybe

698
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 1: so anyway, what we do. What we know for sure

699
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: is that after the sixteen election, interviews with John McAfee

700
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: at his compound in Tennessee show him like really degenerating.

701
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: For one thing, he's drinking constantly, even though he was

702
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: still claiming to be so at that point. For another,

703
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: his security detail expanded from the one guy you see

704
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: in that video to like a basketball team worth of muscular,

705
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: heavily armed men, like he posed with them regularly, like

706
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: he'd love to photo shoot. Yeah, he's always naked, always

707
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: wearing a gun, and always surrounded by big guys with guns.

708
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: Like McAfee gives me like rapper vibes, Like I'm getting

709
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: a lot of chief key, like a lot of like

710
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: just posing with guns, you know what. I really like

711
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: that he really likes not shooting anyone, just having a

712
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: like who's taking the photo shoes like, all right, could

713
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: you smile less? Yeah? Yeah, can we get the gun more?

714
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: You look tougher, a little tougher, okay, yeah, just flex

715
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: your arms. Make sure the guy with a really big

716
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: bicep corner right, can we get him in front so

717
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: we can see the bicep lovely, we really need that

718
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: beautiful Okay, and just cheat the gun a little to

719
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: the left. Great. Great, that's great. McAfee, that's great. So uh.

720
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: In September seen, all of John mccafee's paranoia exercised itself

721
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: in a heavily armed rampage by John McAfee against his

722
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: own home. Here's Newsweek quote. September four, Alex Hendrick, one

723
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: of his guards, woke up in his basement bedroom to

724
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: the sound of gunfire. Having served in the army for

725
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: eight years, the private security guard recognized the noise. Immediately

726
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: realizing the shots were coming from the rooms above him,

727
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: Hendrick grabbed his assault rifle and rushed upstairs. There, naked

728
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: but for an ammunition belt, was seventy one year old

729
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: tech tycoon and former fugitive John McAfee spraying bullets into

730
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: the wall and ceiling of the living room. Seeing Hendrick,

731
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: he stopped firing. There's an intruder, he said. Janice McAfee,

732
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: thirty four, John's wife of nearly five years, recalled that

733
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: the couple were having sex at their home in Lexington, Tennessee,

734
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: that night when they were interrupted by their dogs barking.

735
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: He thought he heard movement in the crawl space under

736
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: a bedroom in the attic, and then fired his gun

737
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: into both areas. She later said in a statement to

738
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: the FBI obtained by Newsweek. So seventy one engaged in

739
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: coitus and found by his bodyguard naked with a bandelier

740
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: of AMMO firing and which I want to be seventy

741
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: one nakedly shooting up my own home. That sounds like

742
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: a great time, right. This man has impeccable health. Yeah,

743
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: he's he's he's very robust. Talk about somebody who put

744
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: their body through the wringer and that ship is holding up.

745
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: Should we all be doing bath salts? Yes, our bath

746
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: salts the key to hell. You need bath salts, guns

747
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: and dogs, and that's apparently the key to health. Sophie.

748
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: You look, I really can't tell what emotion you're expressing

749
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: right now. You have a gun, so you're already a

750
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: third of the way there. I mean a dog, So

751
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: you're already you haven't dogs, not a gun. Dogs. Yeah,

752
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: he has a lot of dogs. He has a lot

753
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: of dogs. Oh that after he murdered dogs, he has

754
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: more dogs. Yeah, keeps getting more dogs. Seems to be

755
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: a dog lover. Now. After this armed rampage, Janice claims

756
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: she told McAfee that his wild paranoia was justified because

757
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: she'd been informing on him to her former pimps. So

758
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: this is when she tells John that she's been informing

759
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: on him to her pimp. So she's validating his delusion

760
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. It might be that it might be

761
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: a scam. It might be that he was just so

762
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: angry that she felt like she had to tell him

763
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: something so that he would calm down. Like it's really

764
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: hard to tell what happened, but something nuts is happy

765
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: when you're talking to a senile man with an assault rifle,

766
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: bat salt again. At the time she's telling him this,

767
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: he is naked with a gun in his hand, having

768
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: just damaged their ear drums permanently by firing an assault

769
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: rifle inside like John cooking outside. Okay, you know what,

770
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm the guy I was trying to kill you, but

771
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: now we're fine, which, if we look at history, that

772
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: probably worked for him, since his last girlfriend definitely tried

773
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: to shoot him in the head and he was like,

774
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: all right, well you sleeping in the guesthouse now, yeah,

775
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: maybe she just wanted a guesthouse. You tried to shoot

776
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: a John, you get a house. So after this whole misadventure,

777
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: John McAfee told Newsweek, quote, it's a complicated morass of

778
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: a spider's web. I am the fly, and the spider

779
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: has more than eight legs. This is more or less

780
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: the tenor of reading. John McAfee has said, uh, since

781
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: two thousand sixty, very poetic. Yeah. So, because the security

782
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: detail could find no signs of forced entry, McAfee started

783
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: living under the assumption that some of them too, were

784
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: in on the giant conspiracy against him. Oddly enough, John

785
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: stayed with Janice, the wife who just admitted to helping

786
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: drug king Bens hunt him. Quote, it's been one plot

787
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: after another. My wife was in full cooperation with them,

788
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: but at the same time trying to urge me not

789
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: to do things that would lead me directly into the

790
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: trap without telling me that she was cooperating to collect me.

791
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: Janie has probably done more good than harm because while

792
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: she was cooperating, she at the same time kind of

793
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: likes me. I guess. He told Newsweek that he had

794
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: no plans of leaving his wife and that they are

795
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: still together today. He told them he loved her. She

796
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: was not willing to say that she loved him, but

797
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: she did tell Newsweek that she admired her husband. So

798
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: there's that. I don't really know. You won't even lie

799
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: to a news source about loving someone that means you

800
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: hate them, because I wouldn't listen if I'm with the man.

801
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: You know, he paid these bills and I ain't gotta

802
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: go back down to fun. What was his name was

803
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: crutch Field? Fucking crotchety ass himp named Crutchfield. Crutchfield. You

804
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: know you're working long days? Like hell? No, like I

805
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: at least say I love him on TV Newsweek not

806
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: even real journalists. Yeah, like, yeah, you know, sorry, Newsweek.

807
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: That was meaning for no reason. I don't know. I

808
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: feel like maybe you deserve it and like, let me

809
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: just research. Yeah, quote from Newsweek. In an email to

810
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: NEWSWEK November twelve, McAfee wrote, I eat, sleep, and shower

811
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: with a pistol in my hand. When I enter the

812
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: main house from my bedroom secured with a ten gage

813
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: solid steel door. My two German shepherds and one pit

814
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: bull precede me. Moments before I emerge, I call my

815
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: head of security and request that my detail all be

816
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: sitting in reclining chairs with their feet up, a vulnerable

817
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: position since I am standing and armed. It is not

818
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: a fun situation. John mcfee's crazy right now. Oh yeah,

819
00:42:53,320 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: for sure. What his dogs and he's and he's pretty

820
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: neurotic to like to think that you're like, dude, really

821
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: you made an anti virus software program. Like you're not

822
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: all choco, Like you don't have anything anybody wants. Calm down, John,

823
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: Like nobody's looking for you. Nobody cares. The year after

824
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: that Batshit Newsweek article was published, Men's Journal senter writer

825
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: to John McAfee's compound, where it became clear the situation

826
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: had deteriorated even further. McAfee spent his days darting around

827
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: his compound looking for partly eaten packets of cream cheese,

828
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: which he said were evidence of cartel hitman YEP. At

829
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: one point, he picked up a random rock and insisted

830
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: that it had been brought over from Mexico to help

831
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: the hitman with their homesickness. The journalists noted that, like,

832
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: because Maggie was like, they don't have rocks like this

833
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: in America, and the guy was like, there was a

834
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: pilot rocks nearby that looked just like it. He's just,

835
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, he really lost it. These aren't even signals.

836
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean, at least if there was like an avocado around,

837
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: you could be like, yeah, the cartel left his avocado.

838
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: But a rock is some cream cheese. Well it's hard

839
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: to because number one, we one thing we know about

840
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: John McAfee, what's his favorite pastime lying to journalists? So

841
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: this could all be an act. But it also really

842
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of this might just be that

843
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: he's gone off the deep end and he's bought into

844
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: his own bullshit and he's legitimately crazy. Now I really

845
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: don't know. Um. The article did make it very clear.

846
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: The Men's Journal article made it very clear that John McAfee,

847
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: who had been claiming to be sober for years, was

848
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: now drinking heavily all day, every day, even pounding vodka

849
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: in the t s. A line at the airport, which

850
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: I've done. I'm not gonna I'm not too proud. I've wasted.

851
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: Can't take it with you. You can't take it with

852
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: you will take it away. So you pour it into

853
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: a coffee thermis and you make sure that you're just

854
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: sober enough to walk through that line, and then whatever

855
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: happens in the airport after that is fine. Right. Yeah,

856
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: they have so many bars in the airport. That's what

857
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: they tell you to get there early. It's a scam.

858
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: You don't need to get there early for t s.

859
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: You gotta get the earliest. We can sit around in

860
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: the airport bar and drink. I mean, that's why I

861
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: get to the airport early. Airports like international laws, Like

862
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: it's five o'clock all the time at the air port,

863
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: always five o'clock, and nobody's got a problem if you're drinking.

864
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, you can drink it to name and

865
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: people are like, ah, it's fine. I love airports now.

866
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: The writer of that Men's Journal article followed John McAfee

867
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: and his entourage to speak at a technology conference. During

868
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: that time, the writer had a moment with McAfee's bodyguard,

869
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: an older gentleman named Pool, and I'm going to read

870
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: that quote because it really gives you some incredible color

871
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: on the kind of people John McAfee has surrounded himself

872
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: his last name. Okay, last night quote. I sit with Pool,

873
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: a bald and white haired man with a penchant for

874
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: endless Southern fried chatter and a devout belief in his boss.

875
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: He doesn't go anywhere without me, says Pool, blowing on

876
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: his coffee. He won't say exactly what he did before

877
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: working with McAfee, but it involved a connected family in Chicago.

878
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: I know there are bad guys out to get him,

879
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: and it's not going to happen on my watch. I

880
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: don't need sleep. I can watch all day and night.

881
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: Pool makes a face and excuses himself. A few minutes later,

882
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: he returns, holding a napkin to his bleeding mouth. I

883
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: asked him what happened. I had a tooth that was

884
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: othering me, so I went outside and asked the construction

885
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: work or if I could borrow a wrench. He shows

886
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: me an off color fang that was in his mouth

887
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. Pool tosses it into the trash. He

888
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: flashes a gap tooth smile. Now I can enjoy my coffee.

889
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: What okay, okay, First of all, McAfee, you can't get

890
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: you your entourage no dental like they can't get dental.

891
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: I guess they can't go to the dentist if they

892
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: watch a day and night exactly. He's gonna do his

893
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: own dentist work. You know, I'm gonna call this guy

894
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: and Andy King, That's what I'm calling all people who

895
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: are just this devout. Andy King was that dude who

896
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: said he was gonna suck dig for every out water

897
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: in the Fire Festival documentary. And now if anybody is

898
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 1: that dedicated, but I might have to change it to pool.

899
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: He's tooth out to impress a guy for Men's Journal,

900
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: which it's a good article, good good, right, and good journalism,

901
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: but weird, flex bro, your teeth are falling out, fam

902
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: because if you could take I don't care if you

903
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: had a construction tool, if you could take your own

904
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: tooth out, that joint was loose. Yeah, probably Like you're all, man,

905
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: how are you going to fight? I don't. I mean

906
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: with a gun. You can be old and dangerous, yeah,

907
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: I guess, but people can disarm people with guns. Was

908
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: also old. He chopped everybody and then he pulls his

909
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: own teeth out, So poor guy just just to pull

910
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: back for a minute. In the fifteen years or so

911
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: since the sky Gypsies were a thing, John McAfee has

912
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: gone from an extreme sports guru partying with a bunch

913
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: of rich adventure junkies to a very sick, very paranoid maniac,

914
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: hanging out with a constellation of mentally ill people and opportunists,

915
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: suckling off as apparently limitless cash reserves and enabling his paranoia. Now.

916
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of my time when I was

917
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: working in this article trying to figure out what exactly

918
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: had driven John to such a place of madness. I

919
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: got one possible answer near the end of my research

920
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: after a helpful fan on Twitter appointed me to an

921
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: article published by Jeff Wise in New York Magazine in

922
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, The obscure legal drug that fuels John McAfee.

923
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: So you remember when they found those crystals, crystalline chemical

924
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: and his jungle fortress. We're about to learn what it

925
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: probably was. Quote from that article. A former member of

926
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: his inner circle forwarded me a photo of a packaging

927
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: label that one of McAfee's friends took in the course

928
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: of a four day binge earlier in this month in

929
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: New York City. Now the bene was in New York,

930
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: but this is while John was living in Tennessee, not

931
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: all that long before he started shooting up his own

932
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: house and wandering around the grounds looking for cream cheese packets.

933
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: Quote the label from a package delivered from a Chinese

934
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: chemical company suggest by McAfee never called the drug by name.

935
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: The moniker one finnel to one pyrodinal one hex n

936
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: on hardly rolls, tripping lee off the tongue. The chemical

937
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: compound has no street name, although among organic chemists it

938
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: goes by the slightly catchiered handle of alpha PHP. Now.

939
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: Alpha PHP is a dopamine uptake reinhibitor. UH. It basically

940
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: makes you happy, deliriously excitedly happy, Like your brain normally

941
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: releases dopamine during good times and then it sucks it

942
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: back up into the synapses because you know, you don't

943
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: want to have too much going on there. A drug

944
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: like this stops your brain from sucking it back up.

945
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing that ecstasy does with

946
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: Sarah tonin. So uh. It's a powerful happy drug, UM,

947
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: but it has downsides. Too, you don't say, there's a

948
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: fantastic website that if you're if you're looking at experimenting

949
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: with drugs the way I did when I was nine,

950
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: If you're experimenting with drugs, you gotta check out errow it.

951
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: It's a fantastic website. It collects errow wit errow w

952
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: R O w I D Okay, because it sounds like

953
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: you said, heroinformation gets you gotta start with that's where

954
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: you start. No, no, don't start there. Don't ever go there, Okay,

955
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: erow wind Guys. So if you're like into like I did,

956
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: you know I've done. I've done like my ecstasy and

957
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: my LSD and stuff. But I also did a bunch

958
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: of weird ship that like two C T seven five

959
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: mm e O M I P T uh what not

960
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: d x M that's a common one, but like M

961
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: D p V, I've done like weird. If you want,

962
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do weird stuff, like we're gonna do

963
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: like the chemicals and stuff. Yeah, they do sound like

964
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: noise bands. A lot of noise bands are named after drugs.

965
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that stuff, you gotta go to

966
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: arrowit because it collects stories of other drug users, a

967
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: lot of whom are also chemists to have made this stuff,

968
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: and so it will be like the best health information available.

969
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: But it also includes reports from people who have done

970
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: this stuff and so. On this website, looking up alpha PHP,

971
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: I found a particularly evocative review that I think will

972
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: help us understand what was going on in John McAfee's

973
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: head as he takes this stuff. The review was titled

974
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: from Psychonaut to Junkie in two weeks, so it's not

975
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: a happy story quote. I felt the rush build up

976
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: in five minutes, and for the next twenty minutes I

977
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: felt the most intense euphoria I have ever known. This

978
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: felt miles more euphoric than cocaine. Surprisingly, it even felt

979
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: better than meth. It felt too good, and twenty minutes

980
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: later I felt the most heart pounding anxiety attack. I

981
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: realized my stimulant tolerance was at zero forty MILLI him

982
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: as a start dose with too much. I called myself

983
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: down and walked around my entire house trying to ease

984
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: my mind. After one hour of the initial dose, I

985
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: took another thirty five to forty milligram line and the

986
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: euphoria struck me again. It didn't wind out down like

987
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: it with cocaine. The second line never feels as good

988
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: as the first with cocaine, but with this it pretty

989
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: much brought the euphoria back. So this guy describes as

990
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: like better and more addictive cocaine. And we know John

991
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: McAfee has a problem with cocaine, right, And I can

992
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: see John having a similar first experience because this guy

993
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: had a low tolerance when he first started. John's been

994
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: sober for years and not doing and he happened exactly.

995
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: I can see this hitting him hard, and I can

996
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: see him falling hard in love with it. And the

997
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: best thing about it, of course, would be that it's legal.

998
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: There's something called the Analog Act, so if a drug

999
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: that's not explicitly illegal by name is too similar to

1000
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: another drug that is illegal, that drug is also illegal.

1001
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of drugs out there that are

1002
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: really powerful psychedelics. You can tripp for like fucking sixteen hours,

1003
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: but there's no law against them because it's just something

1004
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: some somebody tweaked a couple of chemicals and now like

1005
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: this new psychedelic exists, and like, that's so what I

1006
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: was doing. I was a teenagers, we would buy this

1007
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: ship like nineteen twenty, we would buy this ship from

1008
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: like Canadian pharmaceutical sites, and you would just experiment with

1009
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: stuff nobody's done, and you're like, you've got some weird

1010
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: chemical that you're like, hope this doesn't kill me, Like,

1011
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: but the other thing you're hoping is that you don't

1012
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: run into what John ran into, which is like for

1013
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: everybody out there, there's one drug that will be your downfall.

1014
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: Like it's for some people, it's alcohol, for some people,

1015
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: it's meth for some people it's pills. Everybody's got a

1016
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: substance that if you were to try it, you'd realize

1017
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: it fills some hole in your head so well that

1018
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: like it's instantly a problem for you. Like that's that's

1019
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: something anyone who experiments with a lot of substances that's

1020
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: always in the back of your head. You're very much

1021
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: playing Russian Roulette when you start messing around with this stuff.

1022
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: And I think John McAfee hit a loaded cylinder like that.

1023
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened, is he started playing around with

1024
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: some chemicals and he found one that hit his neurotransmitters

1025
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: just right. I'd just filled the hole in his brain

1026
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: because it's like, you can't go out and get this ship.

1027
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: You can't walk down the street or go to you

1028
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's possibly true. I'm gonna bet

1029
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: it's actually way cheaper than coke because it's not dark

1030
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: web like you just it doesn't have to be dark

1031
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: it's legal, so you you could just you could be

1032
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: so I can go to Walgrains and get this ship. No,

1033
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: but if you're you could. You're ordering it from like

1034
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: China or whatever. You can order it by the pound,

1035
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: and it's probably not crazy expensive, like if it's if

1036
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: it's not illegal, if they're just shipping it to you,

1037
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: then there's no demand. Yeah, why would it Why would

1038
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: it be expensive? Like, yeah, as long as it's someone's

1039
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: making it, it can be pretty reasonable. I haven't looked

1040
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: into what Alpha php costs, but I'm gonna guess it's

1041
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: cheaper than good blow. That's crazy, I don't know, um,

1042
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: But but it also makes sense though, because if this

1043
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: is something that specifically made um and it's not made

1044
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: to sell for cheaper, Like why blow is expensive, It's

1045
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: because most of its cut with ships, so you're paying

1046
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: to not snort baby laxative or whatever. Yeah, Okay, that

1047
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. So a lot of

1048
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: John's behavior since two that's intend makes more sense if

1049
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: you realize he's been pounding better cocaine into his brain

1050
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: and increasing ghosts the entire time, and his what he

1051
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: was doing with Allison and that lab makes more sense

1052
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: if you think, oh, maybe this was how John wanted

1053
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: to fund his medical research is by selling alpha PHP

1054
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: because it's legal. And again he didn't get busted when

1055
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: the government found it, not because they had no idea

1056
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: what it was. It's one of those things. As soon

1057
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: as I read this article, a whole bunch of stuff

1058
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: fell into place that was all weird and it's like, oh,

1059
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: he was on this weird ass drug the whole time,

1060
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: and he was trying to sell it, and that's part

1061
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: of what he was doing in Belize. Yes, also, it

1062
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: must be hard to try to sell drugs when you

1063
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: are on them. Well, I assume he had distributors and stuff.

1064
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: You know, he's a business guy. He's good, he's he's

1065
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: he's good as businesses. Yeah, sure, he's fine at that part. Um. Now,

1066
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: the writer on Arrowood went on about his experiences, quote

1067
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: more and more, this substance start to take control of

1068
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: my life. I would be up all night. Now, instead

1069
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: of focusing on the task at hand, my procrastination was amplified.

1070
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: Instead of the rush, I just got an energy boost.

1071
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: Something strange about this substance. I began to notice like

1072
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: it had hijacked my mind and started to control me,

1073
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: and involuntarily I would be redosing without being fully aware that.

1074
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: I started to binge a few days straight. I said

1075
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: to myself, I don't have anything to worry about. I'm

1076
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: not an addict. I'll taper and give it up for

1077
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: a week. It never happened. The cravings were too intense.

1078
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: My mind was wired to seek it. The cravings were

1079
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: most intense, the most intense I ever felt. This is

1080
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: similar to cocaine. If I have a bag of cocaine,

1081
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: I want to finish it. It also hijacked my mind

1082
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: in a similar fashion. Cocaine was more fienish to me.

1083
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: Once the bag was done, I wouldn't have any desire

1084
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: to seek it again for a while. There were no

1085
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: cravings after the cocaine was gone, but there were strong cravings.

1086
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: While I had outa PHP, I would continue to snort

1087
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: it even though I knew that there was no point

1088
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: and I'm wasting it. But it is so hard to

1089
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: break that craving desire. This is what John McAfee might

1090
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: be on now, if the latest videos he's been posting

1091
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: or anything to go by, McAfee is definitely on this stuff.

1092
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: Because is about two weeks before this episode will drop.

1093
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: John McAfee announced to the Internet the I r S

1094
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: had convened a grand jury and Tennessee to charge him,

1095
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: his wife, and for McAfee twenty campaign workers with tax fraud.

1096
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: John admitted that he had not been paying taxes for

1097
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: the last eight years. UH. He further announced that in

1098
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: order to evade the I r S, he would be

1099
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: conducting his presidential campaign in exile aboard a boat sailing

1100
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: to and from various foreign ports YEA. In a series

1101
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: of tweets that have just been quite the ride, he

1102
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: claims his boat has thirty high tech firearms, and videos

1103
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: he has posted certainly show numerous guns among he and

1104
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: his crew. McAfee has a documentary on board what he's

1105
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: dubbed the Freedom Boat. UH. He's claiming the government's trying

1106
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: to rest in for political reasons, so he's trying to

1107
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: like seek asylum in the exumas under the wants that

1108
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: to be the reason. He wants that to be. No, John,

1109
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: you admitted he didn't pay taxes at eight years. That's

1110
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: what happens. He wants to be so baller. It really

1111
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: seems like he wants to be like a thug. Yeah. Anyway,

1112
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: what I wanted to point I want you to watch

1113
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: one of the videos he posted on the second day

1114
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: of his egg zile because it really makes him look

1115
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: like he's on Alpha page. I'm gonna actually, before you

1116
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: play this, I'm gonna read you one last description from

1117
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: this user talking about what the drug did to him.

1118
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: People around me could notice my addiction before I did.

1119
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: They noticed my peoples were strange. They noticed I wasn't

1120
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: eating much or at all, and they noticed how fast

1121
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I was talking. They noticed my nose was stuffy. My

1122
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: family noticed my face was changing, but they weren't all

1123
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: that concerned, just that I looked different. My dad said,

1124
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: I looked much weaker, with my hands all constantly shaky.

1125
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna play this video and you tell me

1126
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: if this looks like a guy going through that exact

1127
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: fucking thing. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, you're probably wondering

1128
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: how I'm going to manage my presidential campaign on the

1129
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: boat I have with me on this little speaker, my

1130
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: campaign manager, Rob los you in New York. We're going

1131
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: to be explain it. First of all, we have thousands

1132
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: of volunteers. Rob and one of our other volunteers are

1133
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: creating masks of my face. He looks like he's sitting

1134
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: in a massage chair, like his whole body is moving. Yeah,

1135
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: he can't stop moving the entire to his nose, and

1136
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: it looks like he's consciously trying not to touch his nose,

1137
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: but his hand just keeps flying up there. I had

1138
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: a little Twitter interaction with him, and he started claiming

1139
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: like people because I joked that he was on cocaine

1140
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: because that's what I thought. I hadn't read about the

1141
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Alpha PHP and he was like, I'm not on cocaine.

1142
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a seventy three year old man. You know,

1143
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: you lose control of your body and stuff. And I

1144
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: lived with my grandpa when he was dying of Parkinson's

1145
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: at a d four. I know what it looks like

1146
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: when an old man loses control of his body. I've

1147
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: also done a lot of cocaine. And I know what

1148
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: it looks like when people are railing amphetamines and other

1149
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: kinds of uppers. It looks like that. Like that is

1150
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: what it looks like when you do too much, uncontrollable.

1151
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: Like I've seen sign language people like, you know, people

1152
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: who like interpret I've seen interpreters move less. Yeah, like

1153
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: he's his hands were constantly moving. Yeah, my god, it's scary. Right.

1154
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't look healthy, No, not at all. Now he's

1155
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: posted numerous videos from his boat exile. He seems to

1156
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: be safely in the exhumers. Now. He at one point

1157
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: put up like a chart manifest of like what's on

1158
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: the boat, and it was like seven brave soldiers, you know,

1159
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: one John McAfee, four ten pounds of dogs. And he

1160
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: listed his wife as one terrifying black woman, John McAfee,

1161
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: that's the right response, and one angry black So you

1162
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: know where we're equipped. Yeah, look, oh god, John and

1163
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: his dogs look so confused, and all those they don't

1164
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: belong on yachts, their dogs. And this is also why

1165
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: people should not have this much money. Like this man

1166
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: did not need this much money, had no idea what

1167
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: to do with it. He manifested this whole life, and

1168
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: it's been a really bad one for a lot of

1169
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: the people around him. Now, I will note that I

1170
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: haven't found any evidence yet that the I R S

1171
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: actually did convene a grand jury in Tennessee. That's what

1172
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: John McAfee. So I don't think that they did. Because

1173
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: when the I R S comes to get you, they

1174
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: come to get you, they really do. It seems like

1175
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: they're they usually are pretty on the ball. They pick

1176
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: you up and they're like insist on a boat absolutely by.

1177
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: They don't get to leave the country when the IRS

1178
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: wants you. Maybe they slipped up, or maybe or maybe

1179
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: it had more to do with the fact than On

1180
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: November eighteen, roughly a month before John would get on

1181
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: his boat and go on the run, he was found

1182
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: legally liable via default judgment for the death of Greg

1183
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: Fall or murder of Greg Fall. I should say he

1184
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: was also found legally liable in two thousand and fourteen

1185
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: for the death of his nephew and that student at

1186
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: the Sky Gypsy Academy. Now, on November six, two eighteen,

1187
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: John tweeted about the judgment against him in the Greg

1188
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: Fall murder case. Quote this was my two third lawsuit.

1189
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: I never answered them. I always default to whatever their

1190
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: lawyers claim. My first wrongful death was due to an

1191
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: airplane that crashed piloted by my student pilot. I was

1192
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: found liable. I owe nothing, own nothing, and no one

1193
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: has ever collected. So it is possible at the end

1194
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: of all this that all of this madness, all of

1195
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: John McAfee's posturing with guns and his talk of drugs,

1196
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: that this is all more of an act, That this

1197
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: whole I R s things, whole presidential campaign, he's flying

1198
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: to uh the Exumas on a boat, that this is

1199
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: all just as much of a sham as his medical

1200
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: lab and belize that he's not maybe even not on

1201
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: alpha php and bath salts. Maybe this is all in

1202
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: act too, And maybe rather than being some Heart of

1203
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Darkness style tale of Madison paranoia, John McAfee is just

1204
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: an asshole who's okay with rape and murder, doing whatever

1205
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: he can to predict whatever remains of his fortune from

1206
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: his lawyers. Maybe this is yet another scheme, like when

1207
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: he went to those newspapers back in the day, and

1208
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: he's just knows that he doesn't want greg Falls family

1209
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: to collect on anything, and so he fled the country.

1210
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, or he's a madman on drugs on

1211
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: a boat or both. It's gotta be. It's gotta be.

1212
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: It's probably got. He's probably both lying to everyone on

1213
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: because he's definitely drinking a lot. That they quarts of

1214
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: liquor on the boat the way that which was he

1215
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: telling people? I don't know, because he's most people have

1216
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: enough shame to just like no shame. This guy also

1217
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: like he this is freaking crazy. He has been entangled

1218
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: with so many people's demise, this woman's rape, these people's murder,

1219
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: and like he has to at least be a sociopath,

1220
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: and he needs attention, like he needs people to be

1221
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: looking at him. He poses with guns like always for

1222
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: the last like thirty some odd years, He's never not

1223
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: had an enter. It feels like he's obsessed with celebrity,

1224
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: like he wants to be He's like a con artist,

1225
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: but he also wants to be famous. He's got a

1226
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: lot of like he reminds me of Trump, but like

1227
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: a way smarter guy. This guy is intelligent and that

1228
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: he's not He's argue that he's so smart, but I

1229
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: also I feel like he's lost control to a degree,

1230
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: because what he's doing now is not as well thought,

1231
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: like his lie about being in financial trouble and then

1232
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: escape to believe that was a good con well executed.

1233
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: This seems like he may have lost the con a

1234
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: little bit, like he may just be winging it right

1235
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: now because he's got some problems and he's old. His

1236
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: mind's not working as well. He's on drugs and drinking again.

1237
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe this is just a scammer in

1238
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: his twilight years. I would assume that everyone on this

1239
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: boat is on this drug too. Yeah, maybe I think

1240
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: they might more be a mix of people who are

1241
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: doing it for the money. Like the boat pilot. It

1242
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: seems like a guy who's just like, yeah, dude, I

1243
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: just need and his wife, I assume, probably also in

1244
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: it for the money. She doesn't look like she's like.

1245
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: None of the other people on the boat have the

1246
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: same sort of like jerky, spasmodic kind of air to

1247
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: them that McAfee does. I'm sure they're all drinking. I

1248
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: think it's probably a mix of true believers who thinks

1249
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: he's like liberal Terry and Jesus, and a mix of

1250
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: people who are just in it for the cash, but

1251
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: I really don't know. It's weird. I hope his dogs

1252
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: are okay, Sophie. I don't really care about any of

1253
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: the people on that boat, but I hope the dogs

1254
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: are all right now. Those people have willingly, they know

1255
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: what they're in for. You don't get on a boat

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Speaker 1: who looks like that. You don't get on a boat

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Speaker 1: with this guy, with this guy and have me feel

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Speaker 1: bad when it goes wrong on you. Right like, that

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Speaker 1: black woman is on the second worst boat ride for

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Speaker 1: black people. Have probably Jesus Like, there's obviously one boat

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Speaker 1: ride that was a lot worse for us, but this

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Speaker 1: one is probably also pretty bad, not as not as bad,

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Speaker 1: but it's up there. We're gonna put it on the

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Speaker 1: scale because that's a boat I would not be getting on. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. I will say I've had a couple of

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Speaker 1: friends who were sex workers, and a number of people

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Speaker 1: that I've interviewed who did that job, and the one

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Speaker 1: thing all of them have said about being a sex

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Speaker 1: worker is you never get on a guy's boat. Never

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Speaker 1: ever ever get on a rich guy's boat. Water. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: throw my hands into it out, I know, but I

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Speaker 1: mean he documented that she's on the boat. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: only one terrifying black woman that is associated with it,

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Speaker 1: that's true. And he's posted a lot of videos of

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Speaker 1: their stuff. Oh there's stuff, well, just like them flying,

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Speaker 1: driving around the boat, them drinking, like a lot of

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Speaker 1: like out of focus pictures of chunks of the boat.

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Speaker 1: Like it's really weird. But it's going to live forever.

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Speaker 1: He's got another twenty years in and amongst sure, he's

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Speaker 1: going to kill at least three more people, probably rape

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Speaker 1: another couple of people. Oh no, Yeah, this guy what

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Speaker 1: a degenerate, Like she harmed so many, a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: his own family, just a lot of people. So I

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Speaker 1: gotta ask you, are you gonna vote for him? I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's not that much different from Trump. I mean, to

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Speaker 1: be real, I mean I might pick him over Trump.

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Speaker 1: But at least he's upfront with this ship. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's eloquent. He just got a lot of presidential John

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Speaker 1: McAfee eventually tells the truth when he commits Christ he

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Speaker 1: got an army. He got his own army. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: funding his own militia for no reason. And at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, not paying taxes in eight years is still

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Speaker 1: more recently than the president's paid tax right, right, we

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Speaker 1: could probably at least get his taxes. He probably has

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Speaker 1: a couple of tacks returns, right he hasn't like railed

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Speaker 1: bassalts through the rolled up paper. Listen, and Trump is

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Speaker 1: doing adderall which one is better? Yea, yeah, yeah, take

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Speaker 1: it back? Alright, Lacy, you get some plug double to plug. Yes. Um.

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Speaker 1: I love scams, so this is a great podcast when

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Speaker 1: you come on my scam podcast, Scam Goddess will be

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Speaker 1: dropping soon. So follow me on Twitter at Diva Lacey

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Speaker 1: d I v A l A c I and on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Diva Lacey d I V A l A

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Speaker 1: c I. On Instagram, you can watch my stories. That's

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Speaker 1: where most of my activity is. I'll read your fortune.

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Speaker 1: That's my latest scam. What do you think John McAfee's

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Speaker 1: fortunate as Oh, honestly, it's really like prosperity. I don't

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Speaker 1: even want to lie to He's got twenty more years

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Speaker 1: of good, good Alabaster, you know, luck in him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he'll be the governor of fucking California. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: somebody take white privilege so far. God not, God bless you,

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Speaker 1: because I hope he does not bless you, but he

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Speaker 1: already got plenty. He got so much, so much. The

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Speaker 1: world is so fucked up. It's really damn like talk

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Speaker 1: about a man who's just sucking everybody over. What a monster?

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Speaker 1: What a monster. You can find me speaking of monsters

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at I right, okay. You can find this

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Speaker 1: podcast on the internet behind the bastarts dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram and Twitter at at bastards pod.

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Speaker 1: You can buy t shirts and t public their shirts.

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Speaker 1: You put them on your body. They hide your nakedness.

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Speaker 1: God doesn't like us to be naked. So yeah, unless

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Speaker 1: you just like to wear a Yeah, unless you want

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Speaker 1: to go to the McAfee route and just trap a

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Speaker 1: gun to your chest and wear nothing else, which I

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Speaker 1: approve of, uh and think should be the norm. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If police officers dressed that way, traffic stops would be

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Speaker 1: more fun. Just just a naked guy like walking around

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Speaker 1: the side of the road and like a truck rolls

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Speaker 1: by and a bunch of gravel gets like spun onto

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Speaker 1: him and he's picking gravel at him. Love cops ego,

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Speaker 1: and you know, because everyone knows what the cops packing,

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Speaker 1: regardless of what kind of Gunn. He's got right. We

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Speaker 1: know a better world anyway. Vote for me. My only

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Speaker 1: campaign plank is naked cops. I'm Robert Evans and this

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Speaker 1: has been behind the bastards. I love about of you