Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
Speaker 1: welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am
Speaker 1: your host, Ramsey's job, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is Ramsey's job. I'm still cute. But the energies,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. My energy is real high today. Good.
Speaker 2: I know sometimes our show doesn't allow for that, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can hear it through the mic.
Speaker 2: I'm smiling while I'm speaking to you today, and I'm
Speaker 2: noticeably excited about the ability to smile while doing this
Speaker 2: show that we do well.
Speaker 3: I hope that you are able to smile a little
Speaker 3: longer because you do have a crazy show. My best,
Speaker 3: you have a crazy show lined up for you today.
Speaker 3: First things first, we're going to be talking about Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 3: You might remember in twenty twenty a.
Speaker 1: Lot of the protests, of course, are about George Floyd
Speaker 1: in that particular injustice, but another name that was just
Speaker 1: as big, an incident that was just as pivotal was
Speaker 1: the death of Breonna Taylor. Well, as it turns out,
Speaker 1: there is a lot more details about her death coming
Speaker 1: to light.
Speaker 2: And acts that weren't aware of.
Speaker 1: Right, and we're we're definitely going to need to talk
Speaker 1: about that. And we're also going to be spending some
Speaker 1: time talking about a video that we were sent of
Speaker 1: an older black woman getting attacked by a police officer
Speaker 1: outside of a grocery store. It's been shared lots of
Speaker 1: times on social media.
Speaker 2: Definitely a viral thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and we couldn't get to it last week
Speaker 1: on the show, so we're doing our best to play
Speaker 1: catch up. And I promise we talk about viral videes
Speaker 1: all the time, but this one is kind of a
Speaker 1: little different. We're talking to older black women at a
Speaker 1: grocery store for something, and of course she didn't commit.
Speaker 1: So that and so much more to stay tuned for.
Speaker 1: But first and foremost, let's start off on a positive.
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy named Nicholas Perkins. Graduate of
Speaker 1: both Howard University and Fayetteville State University. He's made history
Speaker 1: as the new owner of the international fud Ruckers restaurant brand.
Speaker 1: He was formerly one of the company's largest franchisees, but
Speaker 1: now has full ownership of all ninety two of the
Speaker 1: company's restaurants in the United States, Canada, Panama, and Mexico.
Speaker 1: Perkins closed the deal for approximately eighteen point five million
Speaker 1: dollars through his affiliate Black Titan Franchise Systems, LLC. He
Speaker 1: told Essence magazine, quote, I always wanted to become a
Speaker 1: part of this iconic brand. I just didn't realize that
Speaker 1: one day I'd end up owning it unquote. Perkins, who
Speaker 1: was born in Fayetteville, North Carolina, obtained his Bachelor of
Speaker 1: Science degree in business administration and management, has an honorary
Speaker 1: doctorate from Fayetteville State University in HBCU. He later went
Speaker 1: to Howard University, also in HBCU, where he earned his
Speaker 1: Master a Business Administration degree. So again, on this show,
Speaker 1: we do our best to celebrate any excellence. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of places that you might encounter a story
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Nicholas Perkins.
Speaker 1: You are a champion bro exactly exactly, and it is
Speaker 1: our pleasure to bring some attention to what it is
Speaker 1: that you've done, to shine some light on what it
Speaker 1: is that you're doing, and to highlight you as an
Speaker 1: example of any excellence, and of course we definitely applaud
Speaker 1: black ownership. We support black businesses here and we know
Speaker 1: that a lot of our listeners do as well. So
Speaker 1: where we can take the time to highlight someone who's
Speaker 1: doing something amazing, we'll always try to do that. At
Speaker 1: present and looks like for the foreseeable future, fud Ruckers
Speaker 1: is now black owned, So do your best to support.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 1: Right now, we do have a video. It's on the desktop,
Speaker 1: so make should get that ready. But first, before we
Speaker 1: get to this video, I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: we paint a picture for those who may have forgotten
Speaker 1: or who maybe you never knew about Brianna Taylor. But
Speaker 1: the quick and dirty version of the story is that
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor was killed in her apartment sleeping, or I
Speaker 1: believe it was her boyfriend's apartment. She was sleeping and
Speaker 1: the police just came and shot up the place and
Speaker 1: she died. And the general attitude of the police was
Speaker 1: that it was very cavalier and it was just kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, that's the cost of doing business.
Speaker 1: And then they tried to paint her as sort of
Speaker 1: a villain by her proximity to her boyfriend they tried
Speaker 1: to suggest that the boyfriend was somehow involved in some
Speaker 1: nefarious activities, and on and on, and then you know,
Speaker 1: later the stories came out that she was a first responder,
Speaker 1: that she I believe she was an EMT. Was yes,
Speaker 1: So where do we have to use here? She was
Speaker 1: an EMT if I'm not mistaken, and just a normal,
Speaker 1: upstanding citizen and the police ended her life, and we
Speaker 1: as a people, alongside our allies, pushed back against the
Speaker 1: idea that this was just sort of collateral damage, this
Speaker 1: is just kind of the cost of police doing business,
Speaker 1: that this is okay. You know, you got to break
Speaker 1: a few eggs to make an omelet that sort of
Speaker 1: attitude that was kind of being pushed by police and
Speaker 1: then bolstered by you know, right wing pundits, etc. That
Speaker 1: we're trying to again paint Breonna Taylor as somehow criminal
Speaker 1: or criminal adjacent by you know, her relationship to a
Speaker 1: man who was not proven to be a criminal at all. Now,
Speaker 1: now that you're caught up to speed, I need to
Speaker 1: let you know that ever since that took place, since
Speaker 1: the police you shot at her house, there's been all
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stories. Of course, the police start with
Speaker 1: their initial story, which suggests that Breonna Taylor's boyfriend was
Speaker 1: the first one to shoot, prompting them to want to
Speaker 1: shoot back.
Speaker 2: Please. This is America, right, the Second Amendment touting United
Speaker 2: States of America to have a gun in case there's
Speaker 2: intruders in your home so you can defend your family,
Speaker 2: America justifying that this man was murdered mm hm because
Speaker 2: he shot first when someone broke into his home and
Speaker 2: that's why he deserved to die. Yeah, okay, I just
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure we're talking about the same same
Speaker 2: qu You're saying people, same people making the same argument,
Speaker 2: contradicting the okay, never mind.
Speaker 1: Right, and this and this is where the conversation started
Speaker 1: with should police be using no knock warrants? I've covered
Speaker 1: tons of stories about police using no knock warrants to
Speaker 1: bust into people's house, Black people's houses mostly, and black
Speaker 1: people sometimes they live in rough neighborhoods, whatever their whatever
Speaker 1: their situation is.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the deltatistics on the on who they use
Speaker 2: no knock warrants.
Speaker 1: You would be largely skewed toward black and brown people. Yeah, sure, sure, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Now for these folks that might live in a rougher neighborhood,
Speaker 1: they might have a gun, they might be very on
Speaker 1: edge about someone breaking into their house during a home
Speaker 1: but any like that. So imagine someone kicking in the door,
Speaker 1: even if they say it's the police, if you don't
Speaker 1: know for certain, all you know is there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of voices and movement in your.
Speaker 2: House, especially when there's nothing that stops anyone from saying
Speaker 2: exactly that. Exactly exactly my point.
Speaker 1: So, you know, there's been a lot of pushback against
Speaker 1: the use of no knock warrants, and this was one
Speaker 1: instance that kind of brought that to you know, public consciousness.
Speaker 2: Add to that being at home with your lady sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that was the life of Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, like so many people on this show, we know
Speaker 1: her mostly for having died, not for the life that
Speaker 1: she lived. And that's just an unfortunate reality for a
Speaker 1: lot of families that their children are known for being killed.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Emmett Till's cousin recently, and you know,
Speaker 1: she and I had a moment. For those that you
Speaker 1: know follow our work on Black Information Network Daily podcast,
Speaker 1: we had a moment where you know, basically I had
Speaker 1: to realize that emmittt Til was not the person who
Speaker 1: helped change uh and and add fuel to the civil
Speaker 1: rights movement. It was his mother that did that. But
Speaker 1: we associate mm Attil with the civil rights activist because
Speaker 1: he's a large figure. But the only reason he's a
Speaker 1: large figure is because he died and that's what activated
Speaker 1: his mother.
Speaker 2: And because he was murdered. More specify, he didn't become
Speaker 2: he was dragged and he didn't drown notorious and iconic
Speaker 2: because he died. He was murdered. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: manner in which he was murdered. And the lack of reason,
Speaker 2: the lack of actual justifiable reason, the obvious racist reasons
Speaker 2: as to why he was murdered, his age, when the why,
Speaker 2: the where are the reasons? Why know his name? Unfortunately
Speaker 2: not for what could have been a wonderful life lived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the one sobering thought that often
Speaker 1: pops into my head after we talk about these things
Speaker 1: is that these people lived the last moments of their
Speaker 1: life in horror and fear, maybe crying, screaming, afraid they
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, you know, in pain, absolutely sure.
Speaker 1: And then it's their life is over, and so they
Speaker 1: never they died, their last moments were perhaps feeling like
Speaker 1: this is a senseless, senseless death. They don't get to
Speaker 1: see what comes on the other side of it, which is, Okay,
Speaker 1: this galvanized a nation and a people and allies to
Speaker 1: change things. But anyway, I digress Rihanna Taylor. There's been
Speaker 1: kind of like rumors circulating since Rihanna Taylor's death that
Speaker 1: there was more to that story, and we were led
Speaker 1: to believe obviously the police told their version of the story. Again,
Speaker 1: it's suggesting that Breonna Taylor's boyfriend shot first and all
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. And since then, you know, there's
Speaker 1: been a trial and all this sort of stuff, and
Speaker 1: all these things are now coming out and we are
Speaker 1: starting to see how deep this goes. And you know,
Speaker 1: we entitled this segment was Rihanna Taylor's death a conspiracy?
Speaker 1: But I don't want that to in any way suggest
Speaker 1: that it's a conspiracy theory because the sources that we're
Speaker 1: pulling from today are exceptionally credible sources. We're going from
Speaker 1: Yahoo to uh, what is this CNN to I think
Speaker 1: we have Washington posts, you know, some some credible sources here.
Speaker 1: But before we go any further, let's play the video
Speaker 1: just to kind of help bring you up to speed,
Speaker 1: and then we'll fill in the gaps.
Speaker 2: So it took everyone two years to figure out that
Speaker 2: I was right.
Speaker 5: Earlier today, I spoke with the family of Breonna Taylor morning.
Speaker 5: They were informed for the Justice Department's charge or Currant
Speaker 5: and former Louisville Metro Police Department officers federal crimes related
Speaker 5: to miss Taylor's death.
Speaker 4: The mayor of Louisville, Kentucky, started at hit squad to
Speaker 4: harass people of color and poor neighborhoods. The house that
Speaker 4: Briana Taylor was renting from was sitting in the middle
Speaker 4: of a gentrification project that the mayor's developer buddies need
Speaker 4: to get rid of before they could start construction. Software.
Speaker 4: Cops arrested in an actual drug dealer ten miles and
Speaker 4: ten minutes after they faked a search warrant to god
Speaker 4: harassed berwon to Taylor.
Speaker 5: Those alleged crimes include civil rights offenses, unlawful conspiracies, unconstitutional
Speaker 5: use of force, and obstructional offenses. We alleged that the
Speaker 5: defendants knew their actions and fols of buying the Epidavid
Speaker 5: could green a dangerous situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the dangerous situation was getting brion and Taylor's shot
Speaker 4: so the city could buy her house for a dollar?
Speaker 4: What you thought I made that number of a.
Speaker 6: Lawful objective justifying the use of deadly force. Defendant Henkerson
Speaker 6: traveled away from miss Taylor's doorway to the side of
Speaker 6: the building and fired ten shots into Breonna Taylor's apartment
Speaker 6: through a bedroom window in a sliding lads store that
Speaker 6: were both covered with lions and curtains.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Remember all those Blue Lives Matter people talking about. Oh,
Speaker 4: Breonna Taylor's boyfriend shot one round first, and then all
Speaker 4: the cops were returning fire.
Speaker 2: That's not what happened.
Speaker 4: One cop went to the side of the house and
Speaker 4: emptied a mag into a window. Yeah, your clowns are
Speaker 4: trying to be like, oh the cops are scared for
Speaker 4: their lives, trying to give them qualified immunity when one
Speaker 4: dude literally went to.
Speaker 2: The side of the house to do a hit job.
Speaker 1: Okay, so obviously there's a lot there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now you couldn't see that.
Speaker 1: The gentleman that was speaking there, he has all his sources.
Speaker 1: So that was a video that we got from TikTok
Speaker 1: and it just kind of condenses everything that we're talking
Speaker 1: about today, but it critically has all of the sources
Speaker 1: in the video. Now we have the video up on
Speaker 1: our social media. It's at Civic Cipher if you want
Speaker 1: to check that out, and then of course you can
Speaker 1: check each of those sources themselves. This is one I
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to make sure that we covered our
Speaker 1: bases as much as we could because this is starting
Speaker 1: to get into conspiracy, which is indeed what he was
Speaker 1: talking about. This is what the charges are for the
Speaker 1: police officers involved, and it goes even higher up than that.
Speaker 2: There's developers, there's you know, elected officials, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And the loss of life of Breonna Taylor's is just
Speaker 1: kind of I don't think that they expected that They
Speaker 1: expected it to just kind of be something that they
Speaker 1: were able to do more or less quietly and didn't
Speaker 1: go from there.
Speaker 2: So well that that assumption is based on the status quo,
Speaker 2: right right, say this unassuming black person creates some suspicion
Speaker 2: around their character, criminalize them, it's a no story, and
Speaker 2: it goes away. They just had really, really bad timing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they decide to do this at a moment where most
Speaker 2: of the world cared way more than they usually would have.
Speaker 1: Sure, and then at the end of the day, them
Speaker 1: buying that house for a dollar was kind of the
Speaker 1: nail in the coffin. It's what sort of sealed the deal.
Speaker 2: Right. So this, this.
Speaker 1: Whole plan was in motion, and there are people that
Speaker 1: look at this and be like, oh, there's no way
Speaker 1: that that's true. Allow me to further paint this picture.
Speaker 1: So first thing, let me start. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: back to July twenty twenty. You remember I said that
Speaker 1: there's been these sorts of whispers surrounding Breonna Taylor's death
Speaker 1: going all the way back to her death. So this
Speaker 1: is July twenty twenty, So this was three years ago,
Speaker 1: almost to the day. All right, this comes from CNN
Speaker 1: dot Com. The headline reads, warrant in fatal encounter between
Speaker 1: Breonna Taylor and police was linked to gentrification plan, families
Speaker 1: lawyers claim, okay claim, So this is what they thought
Speaker 1: at the time. They couldn't prove. They were still waiting
Speaker 1: to prove this, all right. The police raid of Breonna
Speaker 1: Taylor's home that ended with police killing her was connected
Speaker 1: to a political plan to clear a Louisville, Kentucky street
Speaker 1: for a real estate development. According to an amended lawsuit
Speaker 1: filed by Taylor's mother, I want to make a correction here.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that this is Breonna Taylor's house, and I
Speaker 1: thought this was her boyfriend's house.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of stuff about this.
Speaker 1: Case, and it's been some time, but I want to
Speaker 1: make sure I was clear about that, all right. The
Speaker 1: amended lawsuit, filed Sunday in Jefferson's Circuit Court and obtained
Speaker 1: by CNN, said her death was quote the culmination of
Speaker 1: radical political and police conduct. Police were used in an
Speaker 1: effort to vacate homes on Elliott Avenue for a quote
Speaker 1: high dollar real estate development including new homes, a cafe,
Speaker 1: and an amphitheater. A cafe and an amphitheater. According to
Speaker 1: the lawsuit, one of the primary roadblocks to this unit
Speaker 1: and the real estate development project was an ex boyfriend
Speaker 1: of Breonna Taylor, who rented a home on Elliott Avenue.
Speaker 1: The lawsuit of leedgis okay, so I take it back.
Speaker 1: I guess it was her boyfriend's home again. There's lots
Speaker 1: of stuff here, But I wanted to bring that up
Speaker 1: because it illustrates how far back this goes. I believe
Speaker 1: that she was killed in that might have been March
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. If I'm not mistaken. Why am I
Speaker 1: thinking March in any case, Yeah, he's looking that up
Speaker 1: for me, So I want to make sure I got
Speaker 1: the red. But these rumors started to come out in July.
Speaker 1: This article I just read from it is from July
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, so that's not nothing, and it can't
Speaker 1: be based on nothing. March perfect, Okay, all right, now
Speaker 1: I want to move on. So this is from August
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, So again, this was almost a
Speaker 1: year ago, and this comes.
Speaker 2: From Yahoo News slash Blavity.
Speaker 1: All right. The headline reads, A cop is accused of
Speaker 1: falsifying search warrant used in raid of Breonna Taylor's home.
Speaker 1: Now her death is being connected to a housing development project.
Speaker 1: In the years since the police killing of Breonna Taylor,
Speaker 1: the twenty six year old woman who was fatally shot
Speaker 1: after a raid on her Louisville, Kentucky home, questions about
Speaker 1: the origin of the search warrant have dominated conversations. Now
Speaker 1: the community is learning that it wasn't how the warrant
Speaker 1: was carried out, but why it was issued in the
Speaker 1: first place. Three new officers, Kelly Hannah Goodlett, Joshua James,
Speaker 1: and Kyle Meaney, have been charged with federal crimes and
Speaker 1: connection to the killing of Taylor, including unlawful conspiracies, obstruction offenses,
Speaker 1: use of excessive force, and federal civil rights offenses. As
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice previously confirm, Now again, I want
Speaker 1: you to for anybody that's skeptical, anybody that thinks that
Speaker 1: I'm making this stuff up, check our social media at
Speaker 1: Civic Cipher on Instagram. Okay, the videos there, all the
Speaker 1: sources are cited. Okay, and you can look this up yourself.
Speaker 1: We're not imagining this unfair treatment of our people. We
Speaker 1: don't make this stuff up. We don't want to just
Speaker 1: keep complaining about the way things are, but we have
Speaker 1: to speak up for ourselves because we deserve better than this.
Speaker 1: This shows the cavalier attitude not just of police, but
Speaker 1: of developers in big business and even elected officials to
Speaker 1: just cast aside black, brown, marginalized, poor, LGBTQIA, plus you
Speaker 1: name it, individuals often enough for more profit and for
Speaker 1: people that prioritize profit over the gift, the beauty, the
Speaker 1: sanctity that is human life.
Speaker 2: Before you move on, I don't want people to think
Speaker 2: that that's a small number of people. It's a lot
Speaker 2: of people. There are so many people right that prioritize profit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the American dream of capitalists, of capitalists superiority over
Speaker 2: basic human life, basic human dignity. Their profit and ability
Speaker 2: to make money is more important than your life. And
Speaker 2: enough people agree with them that they can do things
Speaker 2: like this, and mostly there'd be no repercussions for it.
Speaker 1: So watch this Q. Okay, you're listening to me, and
Speaker 1: you have this conversation right now. I want you as
Speaker 1: you listen and ask yourself a question. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: you to ask yourself if this is okay? Like morally,
Speaker 1: I want you to ask yourself, is it okay to
Speaker 1: be upset with black people for speaking up? I want
Speaker 1: you to ask yourself if this is the story that
Speaker 1: you're hearing about, how many stories are you not hearing about?
Speaker 1: You can look at data and statistics and so forth,
Speaker 1: but oftentimes those don't show the real story like this
Speaker 1: this woman is our life is over black lives matter.
Speaker 1: It is the minimum. We didn't say black money matters.
Speaker 1: We didn't say black parties matter, we.
Speaker 2: Didn't say black happiness, we didn't say black freedom, we
Speaker 2: didn't say black rights. Oh man lives yeah, Man, isn't
Speaker 2: that crazy?
Speaker 1: And you know when we push back and we have
Speaker 1: examples like this and we say, hey, listen, you know, look,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of moving pieces here. There is this immense machine that
Speaker 1: takes all these different components to work, and every single
Speaker 1: component is entirely apathetic about the well being and indeed
Speaker 1: the lives of black, brown, marginalized LGBTQI plus you name
Speaker 1: it people. And in particular, I mean we do civic cipher.
Speaker 1: We talk about black people because often enough we're at
Speaker 1: the very bottom, with one hundred percent of the weight
Speaker 1: right on our necks. And so again, this isn't something
Speaker 1: where it's we like to complain. And when we show
Speaker 1: the proof and we cite the sources, people say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a one off. No, this is this is how
Speaker 1: you can peer into the data that you have access to,
Speaker 1: the government data dot gov.
Speaker 2: Okay, that shows uh.
Speaker 1: Outcomes with respect to sentencing with respect to police misconduct,
Speaker 1: with respect to police brutality, police killings, and every other
Speaker 1: thing in society. You're talking about how much people get paid,
Speaker 1: healthcare outcomes, environmental racism, like all sorts of things, com
Speaker 1: all the battlefronts.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I want to read a little bit more
Speaker 2: here before we move on.
Speaker 1: All right, Goodlett, James and Meinie falsified information to get
Speaker 1: the warrant, alleging that Taylor was receiving illegal packages at
Speaker 1: the residents, despite allegedly knowing that information was false. The
Speaker 1: Washington Post reports they are also being accused of covering
Speaker 1: up their activity, along with the police department being connected
Speaker 1: to the Elliott Avenue Project. According to WLKY, the Elliott
Speaker 1: Avenue project is a development project. A document describing the
Speaker 1: project alleges that the neighborhood's social and urban fabric has
Speaker 1: deteriorated over recent decades due to high levels of disinvestment
Speaker 1: in crime. It also states that the Department of I
Speaker 1: think this is Development Louisville. Louisville's Office of Community Development,
Speaker 1: the city's entity behind the project, in partnership with Keeping
Speaker 1: it Real, Inc. A local nonprofit partner, are intervening in
Speaker 1: an effort to stabilize and reinvigorate this residential community within
Speaker 1: West Louisville. All right, now here's where it gets funny.
Speaker 1: Since the start of the project, the City of Louisville
Speaker 1: has acquired and gained control of several properties in the area,
Speaker 1: including twenty four to twenty four Elliott Avenue, which was
Speaker 1: once the home of Taylor and her ex boyfriend JaMarcus Glover.
Speaker 1: After Taylor's death, the city was quick to secure Glover's
Speaker 1: rented home and got quite the deal for it too.
Speaker 1: According to Wave, the city bought the home for one dollar.
Speaker 1: The estimated home value was more than seventeen thousand dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here we are, three years after Rihanna Taylor's death.
Speaker 1: We were out there protesting just because we didn't agree
Speaker 1: with how it was done. You shouldn't kill somebody in
Speaker 1: their sleep, in their home when they haven't done anything wrong.
Speaker 2: But now we see it exactly what it was about.
Speaker 2: Even if she'd done stiffed things wrong. She doesn't deserve
Speaker 2: to die in her home, in her sleep, even if
Speaker 2: she was a criminal, even if she had done whatever
Speaker 2: she was being accused of. Whatever they got this no
Speaker 2: knock warrant for, even if she'd done it, to be
Speaker 2: executed in her sleep was not the outcome that anybody
Speaker 2: should have been okay with.