WEBVTT -  Small Town, Big Secrets — Talina Zar E2

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<v Speaker 1>This episode mentioned suicide. Please take care while listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Middletown have their skeleton. I mean they're not with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Thompson is fifty three years old and has lived

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<v Speaker 1>within a forty five minute drive of Wagner, Oklahoma, his

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<v Speaker 1>entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>Wagner is a small town. I don't even remember what

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<v Speaker 2>the population is here rad off In. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say three to five thousand people or something, but that

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<v Speaker 2>could be totally out.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about double that eight thousand. Still small, a place

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone kind of knows everyone and neighbors act neighborly.

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<v Speaker 1>When Greg meets Tealina, she's a recent transplant to the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Outsiders don't normally take interest in what tier. With Tlena

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<v Speaker 2>not being from the area, that made her even more special.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, Greg became friends with Telina because he's

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<v Speaker 1>the guy you call when you've got odd jobs that

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<v Speaker 1>need doing.

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<v Speaker 2>She hired me for like candy man stuff like mowing

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<v Speaker 2>and weed eat and hanging TVs and just all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>there's handyman type stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>In early twenty twenty, before COVID shuts the world down,

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<v Speaker 1>Teleina is on the hunt for the perfect mattress to

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<v Speaker 1>help her troubled sleep. This turns out to be a

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<v Speaker 1>tedious task for the fifty three year old who buys

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<v Speaker 1>and returns multiple mattresses in the process, but luckily she

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<v Speaker 1>has Greg to help her with the heavy lifting.

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<v Speaker 2>Telena wanted to change the mattress out in her bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and she got a new mattress and needed somebody to

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<v Speaker 2>unpack it and put it on and then haul the

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<v Speaker 2>old and off. And so I did all that well.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of weeks later she said that she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>care for the mattress, who wanted it return. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>another one, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, Teleina finds a mattress that checks all the boxes,

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<v Speaker 1>but now she has an extra mattress on her hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily she knows a family in need.

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<v Speaker 4>She was going to guess that bed to us. Our

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<v Speaker 4>son is like six foot one now, so like make

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<v Speaker 4>bed to word that for him.

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<v Speaker 1>This is aris house, another one of Tolena's local friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Aris had just closed on her very first house. Teleina

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<v Speaker 1>had guided her through the process emotionally and sometimes even financially.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the bed was just one of many things

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<v Speaker 1>Teleina offered to help make Eris's new house a home.

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<v Speaker 4>She was a part of the reason why we were

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<v Speaker 4>able to.

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<v Speaker 5>Get utilities turned on new law, new light. She had

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<v Speaker 5>been saving up a Nashtag for I've ever since I

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<v Speaker 5>told her that we were starting a profit to buy

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<v Speaker 5>a house. I can't even put a name to all

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<v Speaker 5>the kitchen appliances and trinkets and items that she's put

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<v Speaker 5>in our house and added to our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>The way she did.

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<v Speaker 1>As COVID hits Oklahoma, Aris doesn't get to see her

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<v Speaker 1>friend very often. Tuleina has rheumatoid arthritis and other health

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<v Speaker 1>issues that make contracting the virus a real concern.

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<v Speaker 4>She was a you know, compromised, so she was taking

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<v Speaker 4>it very, very seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tealina still wants to hand off the mattress as

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<v Speaker 1>she promised, and so on Friday, March twenty seventh, Tulina

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<v Speaker 1>texts Eiris to organize a pickup.

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<v Speaker 4>She was checking to see if we were coming to

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<v Speaker 4>get to bed this weekend. That next morning, the twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 4>I got a message that said.

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<v Speaker 6>A bort mission. I've got a terrible migraine. I've been

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<v Speaker 6>staying in bed today.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, okay out.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days go by, having not heard from. Her

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<v Speaker 1>friend Aris checks in.

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<v Speaker 4>On a third and I said her that I hope

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<v Speaker 4>you're feeling Betters wanting you know, if I get dropped

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<v Speaker 4>by it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Want anybody coming to the porch and making the dogs

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<v Speaker 6>bark because I'm sleeping a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, that's okay, maybe another time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is her last exchange with Telena before she goes

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<v Speaker 1>missing from iHeart Podcasts. I'm Melissa Jelson, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to Teleina's oar.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey everyone, I'm on day nine of this virus, and

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<v Speaker 8>I am pretty sure it has reached my lungs.

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<v Speaker 9>For her to just leave people with no way of

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<v Speaker 9>contacting her and knowing if she was alive or.

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<v Speaker 4>Dead was strange to me.

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<v Speaker 3>There were a lot of secrets that were very hard

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<v Speaker 3>to find, and no one wanted to talk about anything.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm a really nosy person, so that's how I got

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<v Speaker 10>caught up in all this.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, this is this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode two small town big Secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted to help anybody and anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Greg, the local handyman in Wagner.

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<v Speaker 2>She helped us volunteer picking up trash a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd heard of her giving food to people that needed

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<v Speaker 2>it or giving them little jobs to do.

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<v Speaker 11>Like me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she knew that I needed something to do,

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<v Speaker 2>so she'd give me jobs. And she had other people

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<v Speaker 2>that would you know, do little odd jobs for or

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<v Speaker 2>somebody he moved through the area from bigger towns and

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<v Speaker 2>just take in the interest in what's going on here

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to help people that live here that may

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<v Speaker 2>impression on me.

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<v Speaker 1>When Teleina moved to Wagner, Oklahoma, in late twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>she did it with her partner Tom. They left their

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<v Speaker 1>longtime home in Indianapolis and purchased a brown ranch house

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<v Speaker 1>in Whitehorn Cove, a lake community near the border of Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>From the outside, the home is rustic looking, cozy, private,

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<v Speaker 1>set back from the road and nestled among the tall trees.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not easy to move to a totally new place

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in your fifties and beyond. But the couple

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<v Speaker 1>had their reasons for choosing Wagner, of all places, one

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<v Speaker 1>being they had a group of friends who were already

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<v Speaker 1>established there, Like Aris Howe, she.

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<v Speaker 12>Could be exactly the person that she was here and

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<v Speaker 12>that was a little weird, a lot filly a little

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<v Speaker 12>queer Oklahoma had all the people who brought out the

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<v Speaker 12>those aspects for her.

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<v Speaker 1>The two women were several decades apart, and ers looked

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<v Speaker 1>up to Telena like a big sister.

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<v Speaker 4>She always left you kind of enraptured by what she

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<v Speaker 4>was saying because she had a unique way of telling stories.

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<v Speaker 4>She had a very dry wit, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Helped that they shared the same offbeat sense of humor.

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<v Speaker 1>Aris told me about one time Telena was giving her

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<v Speaker 1>some spices from her pantry that she no longer needed.

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<v Speaker 12>I grabbed a bottle of dill weed and I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 12>look at the bottom of my husband the dill weed.

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<v Speaker 12>And we laughed really hard about it, and then she

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<v Speaker 12>snatched the bottle away from me and a land of

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<v Speaker 12>the other round.

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<v Speaker 4>She had a label maker. She typed in that labels at.

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<v Speaker 13>The bottle of Jason and clapped it on the bottle

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<v Speaker 13>of dill weed and handed it back the look.

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<v Speaker 4>Of absolute joy and mischief in her faith. When she

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<v Speaker 4>handed me that bottle, it was like sharing the best secret,

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<v Speaker 4>and we both fell apart in laughter.

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<v Speaker 1>To her friends, to Lena was not only kind, generous,

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<v Speaker 1>and hilarious, she was also super smart, here's Greg again.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a self proclaimed computer I called her my

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<v Speaker 2>own little hacker.

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<v Speaker 1>Talina was a techie and a good one. She worked

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<v Speaker 1>on Microsoft products, fixing code errors that no one else

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<v Speaker 1>could solve.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife was going to school at the time for

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<v Speaker 2>her bachelor's and didn't know anything about powerpart presentations and

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft Office and all these things. In Tolena had worked

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<v Speaker 2>for Microsoft and she dropped some of these program so

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<v Speaker 2>she saw another opportunity to help my wife, and she

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<v Speaker 2>started helping her with these presentations and showed her how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it herself and things like that. She felt

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<v Speaker 2>like she could help you out of the hole you're in.

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<v Speaker 2>She was here, was all in.

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<v Speaker 1>Telena was helpful to her community and also devoted to

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<v Speaker 1>her partner to The two had been together for more

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<v Speaker 1>than a decade.

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<v Speaker 4>They had one of those bonds that you know, everybody

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<v Speaker 4>could aspire to.

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<v Speaker 5>You could see you could just look at him in

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<v Speaker 5>a glance, the way they looked at each other.

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<v Speaker 14>They were young fool anytime they looked at each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But Teleina wasn't a homebody. She travels a lot for work,

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<v Speaker 1>often swinging through Indiana, where she and Tom used to live,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of her extended family remained, and then while

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<v Speaker 1>she was on one of those routine trips, the unthinkable happened.

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<v Speaker 4>They both went here and then like not even I

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<v Speaker 4>don't even think it was a year later. Tom had

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<v Speaker 4>a stroke while she was away on work, and when

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<v Speaker 4>she came back from work, you know, they had found

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<v Speaker 4>it on the floor. He was still alive. He had

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<v Speaker 4>hung on long enough for her to say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom was only fifty nine. In his obituary, he was

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<v Speaker 1>described as a twenty two year veteran of the army

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<v Speaker 1>and an avid gun enthusiast. The family asked that in

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<v Speaker 1>lieu of flowers, well wishers could donate to his favorite charity,

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<v Speaker 1>for Love of Dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember after Tom and path and we went over

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<v Speaker 4>to her house for the memorial. It was an intimate

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<v Speaker 4>gathering with probably about twenty of us, and we all

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<v Speaker 4>kind of said a word for Tom, and you could

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<v Speaker 4>see around the house where she left ticket that they

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<v Speaker 4>do not move, do not touch. The general assumption was

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<v Speaker 4>so I was was the left eye inst he had

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<v Speaker 4>cut and she wasn't ready for those to.

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<v Speaker 1>Move Toalina was shattered by the loss.

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<v Speaker 14>They were deeply connected and while she was able to

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<v Speaker 14>regate her joy and find life again.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't the same as she couldn't share it with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom's death on moored Toelena, and for a long while

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<v Speaker 1>afterwards she battled with a stubborn depression.

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<v Speaker 4>And I actually spend a lot of phone calls together afterwards,

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<v Speaker 4>because whenever you spend an amount of your life with

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<v Speaker 4>somebody bouncing decisions off of them, or you know, looking

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<v Speaker 4>for validation for a decision, you get kind of lost.

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<v Speaker 4>And there were a lot of time where she would

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<v Speaker 4>call me and ask me, Hey, what do you think

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<v Speaker 4>about this? That happened a lot more after Tom had passed.

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<v Speaker 13>I had her come afterwards, and I was a little nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Kim, a hairdresser and wagner who cut Telena's hair.

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<v Speaker 1>She remembered Telena's first appointment after Tom passed.

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<v Speaker 13>I had my mom, who is a widow as well,

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<v Speaker 13>come fit and be with us so that i'd have

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<v Speaker 13>like them backup in case it got to too sad.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't like to handle that stuff, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 13>good at saying.

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<v Speaker 7>The right word.

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<v Speaker 2>But we got through it.

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<v Speaker 13>There was just a few, you know, peers that were

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<v Speaker 13>shed Tolena. She had even asked if my mom would

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<v Speaker 13>maybe be her roommate for a while after, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>because my dad had passed and she was living alone too,

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<v Speaker 13>and she had been talking about finding a roommate to

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<v Speaker 13>share in the bills and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Telena didn't like living alone in the house she'd shared

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<v Speaker 1>with Tom. Nicole, her friend in Tennessee, remembered how Telena

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<v Speaker 1>navigated her new role as a relatively young widow.

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<v Speaker 9>Of course, she missed him greatly and missed their life together.

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<v Speaker 9>She was dealing with it with grace and moving on

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<v Speaker 9>with her life the best she could. She had told

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<v Speaker 9>me that she had taken in a roommate and that

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<v Speaker 9>was mostly more for having someone around them necessity.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in twenty nineteen that Lena invited Corey Bamiley,

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty eight year old woman she knew through friends,

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<v Speaker 1>to move in with her. Corey was also in a

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<v Speaker 1>transitional period, in the middle of a divorce. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get Corey to speak to me, but from what I've learned,

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<v Speaker 1>the two had a lot in common. They were both

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<v Speaker 1>adjusting to life without a partner. They were both enthusiastic

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<v Speaker 1>pet owners, sharing a singular love for animals, and they

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<v Speaker 1>both dabbled in pagan culture and attended local renaissance fairs

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<v Speaker 1>for fun.

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<v Speaker 13>After they had moved in together, every time I cut

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<v Speaker 13>Tolena's hair, the first thing I would say was, how

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<v Speaker 13>was how's your roommate going?

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<v Speaker 7>And she always answered the best I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long for Toleina and Corey's lives to

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<v Speaker 1>become intertwined. Soon enough, Corey was over at Kim's getting

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<v Speaker 1>her own haircut, while Teleina was adventurous with her hair,

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<v Speaker 1>dyeing at different colors and even giving a perm Corey

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<v Speaker 1>preferred a look some might call a mullet.

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<v Speaker 13>We'd go short on the you know, straight across prop

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<v Speaker 13>of the ears, and a little bit longer in the back.

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<v Speaker 13>It wasn't anything that I wanted to do to her,

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<v Speaker 13>but that's what she wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey quickly fell in with Teleina's social circle too. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>Greg again.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd had Telena and Corey over for dinner, and a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times went out with him. You would have

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<v Speaker 2>thought they were best friends. Had had noting Cheddar for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg found a kindred spirit in Corey. She too was

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<v Speaker 1>a handyman of sorts, strong, industrious.

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<v Speaker 2>From the term that I met Corey Bromley, she was

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that you know, I could relate to, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at the time I was going to things that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I could talk to her about.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey also found unique ways to make money, like buying

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<v Speaker 1>people's old stuff and selling it on eBay and Greg's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he could do that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, you know, pilfer and through stuff. I had

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<v Speaker 2>done some other work elsewhere and accumulated a bunch of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was helping me, you know, kind of take

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<v Speaker 2>inventory and possibly help meself some of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Telena seemed to really enjoy having a friend around too.

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<v Speaker 1>It lifted her spirits. Here's ris again. Having Corey air

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<v Speaker 1>improved their quality of life.

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<v Speaker 4>He would go out in the yard and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>play with the dog. They would go on car ride

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<v Speaker 4>together and just take the bogs out of the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>While Corey's presence was a comfort, there were clues that

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<v Speaker 1>Teleina was still struggling with Tom's loss. In November of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, a few months before COVID hit, Tlena wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a note to her friends on Facebook entitled Grief Etiquette.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a reenactment of some of that post.

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<v Speaker 6>Over the last two years, many people have said they

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<v Speaker 6>don't know how to interact with me ari Tom's death.

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<v Speaker 6>The anniversary of Tom's death is approaching. I'm already struggling

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<v Speaker 6>with that, combined with lonely holidays. What I do not

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<v Speaker 6>need right now are unsolicited videos and picks of Tom.

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<v Speaker 6>At this point, it's difficult for me to concentrate on

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<v Speaker 6>work or have pockets of happiness if I see an

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<v Speaker 6>unsolicited pick or video.

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<v Speaker 7>During those times, I feel like I ran flat out

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<v Speaker 7>into a wall. It's painful.

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<v Speaker 6>If you ask first, I can respond when I'm emotionally

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<v Speaker 6>and physically available to reminisce.

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<v Speaker 7>If you post on your own feed, I can choose

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<v Speaker 7>whether or not to serve that content.

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<v Speaker 6>If you send me or tag me in unsolicited reminiscence,

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<v Speaker 6>I will block you to save my sanity.

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<v Speaker 7>Please don't slap me in the face with my grief.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for hearing me.

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<v Speaker 4>Heelena was never one to let anything do. She would

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<v Speaker 4>say that head on and a threat it because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sitting in silence is uncomfortable. Let figure out what went

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<v Speaker 4>wrong and how we can avoid it in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Aris described to Lena as assertive and good at setting boundaries,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in April twenty twenty, when Telena posts on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 8>I made the decision at the ownset that if it

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<v Speaker 8>got bad enough, I would not go to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 8>Please respect my privacy and give me my alone time,

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<v Speaker 8>Aris does.

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<v Speaker 4>There were a lot of parts of her life that

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<v Speaker 4>she kept private, and we respected that, like we love

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<v Speaker 4>the person that she gave us every time we got

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<v Speaker 4>to see her. It did seem out of character, but

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<v Speaker 4>considering the fact that she had lost her husband not

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<v Speaker 4>so long ago. People can be consumed with Greece at

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<v Speaker 4>different times, it would make sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick note, you've heard most of Telena's cryptic Facebook post already,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a few lines I withheld that mentioned Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you know who he is, this will make

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<v Speaker 1>more sense.

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<v Speaker 6>In and out of fever and chills with Tom just

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<v Speaker 6>out of reach, I'm going to either beat this virus

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<v Speaker 6>or be with Tom.

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<v Speaker 7>I see it as a win win situation.

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<v Speaker 6>Please respect my privacy and give me my alone time

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<v Speaker 6>on the lake with Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>In this part of the post, it resonates with those

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<v Speaker 1>who knew Telena in real life, who had witnessed her

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<v Speaker 1>debilitating depression after Tom's death. Here again is Nicole, who

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<v Speaker 1>saw Telena just a few weeks before she went missing.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't take it as her being suicidal. I just

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<v Speaker 9>took it to mean that if she passed away from COVID,

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<v Speaker 9>she was at peace with it because she would be

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<v Speaker 9>with Tom, not that she was actively licking doorknobs and

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<v Speaker 9>trying to get COVID so that she could pass away.

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<v Speaker 4>I took it that she was.

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<v Speaker 9>Good either way, and I feel like I feel like

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<v Speaker 9>that was true. Telena fashioned you know, well, if I die,

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<v Speaker 9>I die.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, There's not much I can do about it.

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<v Speaker 9>And if I live, I'll hug you again.

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<v Speaker 1>A week before Telena disappeared, she posted about her illness

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 6>I called my doctor and was told to stay in

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<v Speaker 6>bed and stay hydrated and self medicate and call back

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<v Speaker 6>or go to the er. If my tempreach is one

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<v Speaker 6>O two. I think Oklahoma's medicals system is stretched thin

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<v Speaker 6>right now. I am thankful and grateful that I do

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<v Speaker 6>have someone watching out for me and running the household.

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<v Speaker 7>Back to bed. I'm exhausted. I love you all.

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<v Speaker 1>Telena is talking about Corey, her roommate, running the household

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<v Speaker 1>and watching out for her. Corey had been the last

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<v Speaker 1>person to see Telena before she disappeared. On the day

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<v Speaker 1>Telena posted her mysterious message, Corey said she'd been out

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<v Speaker 1>running errands and came home to an empty house. The

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<v Speaker 1>next day, Corey posted to her own Facebook page, alerting

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<v Speaker 1>everyone to her missing roommate and asking for help. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a recreation of parts of the post.

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<v Speaker 15>I called every taxi service I could think of last Eve,

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<v Speaker 15>and drivers don't keep records. I also called our phone

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<v Speaker 15>carrier to try and trace or track Telena's phone and

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<v Speaker 15>was told of an app that could do this if

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<v Speaker 15>the phone was turned on with location services activated. As

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<v Speaker 15>of this morning, she hasn't called home and her phone

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<v Speaker 15>still appears to be turned off. Anyone else hears from her,

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<v Speaker 15>please update me.

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<v Speaker 1>A day later, core posts again, this time sharing insight

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<v Speaker 1>into what Telena's experience with COVID had been like.

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<v Speaker 15>So this is my COVID nineteen rant and the state

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<v Speaker 15>of affairs here in rural Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 7>Feel free to bypass this post.

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<v Speaker 15>I just need to rant or I will scream.

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe I need to do that. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 15>When Telena first got a fever of one hundred point five,

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<v Speaker 15>We packed up and went to the er. We expected

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<v Speaker 15>to be able to get her a test. A tech

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<v Speaker 15>met us outside, questioned all of her symptoms and sent

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<v Speaker 15>us home without even allowing us to check in. We

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<v Speaker 15>determined that the healthcare system, at least here in Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 15>was not equipped to take care of everyone with viral

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<v Speaker 15>symptoms and would only do so if you got bad

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<v Speaker 15>enough to probably be admitted in Looking back, I think

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<v Speaker 15>her attitude changed on that car ride home from the er.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days go by. Talina's friends hear nothing and

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<v Speaker 1>start to worry she's died of COVID alone in a

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<v Speaker 1>remote cabin. But they also start imagining other worst case scenarios,

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<v Speaker 1>like Greg who speculates that maybe Tolena was abducted.

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<v Speaker 2>When she came up Methan and put this big Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>post on there say I'm going to the wood to die.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't sound like her. We didn't, I mean me

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<v Speaker 2>and my wife and talked about it. We live on

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<v Speaker 2>the Highway sixty nine and Highways sixty nine goes from

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<v Speaker 2>the heart attackes all the way into Tangas. At the time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there was a lot of abductions and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>from even walmarts. You know, over here in our area

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<v Speaker 2>there was ladies picked up from Walmart for suspected sex

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<v Speaker 2>trade type things. Me and my wife watch a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of crime shows. We're armchair investigators over here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we get a little lead and we follow it and

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<v Speaker 2>it you know, we're not trained investigators, That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying it. So we just didn't know something like that

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<v Speaker 2>could have happened to Colena.

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<v Speaker 1>Her friends think hope, maybe Toleina will emerge over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>But as Saturday and Sunday come and go, they're polite.

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<v Speaker 1>Respect for her privacy kurdles into concern and dread, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's consensus that the police now need to be involved.

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<v Speaker 1>On Monday, April thirteenth, Corey goes to the shriff's department,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's told that an adult woman leaving on her

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<v Speaker 1>own is not considered a missing person, at least not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Four more days pass by Friday, Telena has still not returned,

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<v Speaker 1>so Corey tries again. This time she's able to file

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<v Speaker 1>a missing person's report. That same day, two deputies drive

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<v Speaker 1>out to Teleina and Corey's house. Because of COVID, they

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<v Speaker 1>play it safe and don't go inside. Instead, they talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Corey in the driveway. They get the basic facts,

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<v Speaker 1>like what Telena looks like and Telena's cell phone number,

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<v Speaker 1>which they immediately try to locate. Surveying the property. The

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<v Speaker 1>deputy's note a gray shed in front of the house

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<v Speaker 1>and several vehicles parked in the driveway, two cars and

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<v Speaker 1>a red truck with a trailer attached, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>turn the case over the detective Joel Weber, who will

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<v Speaker 1>lead the search. A few days later, he asks Corey

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<v Speaker 1>to come back to the station to provide more detail.

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<v Speaker 11>All Right, I just got cold in here.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'm glad I wore a sweatshirt.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm going to turn this up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now, two weeks after Telena's Facebook post, Corey arrives

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<v Speaker 1>at the station wearing a COVID mask and gloves. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a recording of the conversation, but we do

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<v Speaker 1>have a transcript, parts of which we've recreated.

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<v Speaker 16>Let me just get some background information from you, sure,

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<v Speaker 16>and then we'll kind of go from there. And I

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<v Speaker 16>don't want you to think that you're in any trouble

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<v Speaker 16>because you're here, Okay, yeah, yeah, And that's pretty standard.

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<v Speaker 17>It's just normally I would have come to the house,

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<v Speaker 17>but give them the situation and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Weber asks Corey how they met and came to

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<v Speaker 1>live together.

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<v Speaker 15>I've known Telena about fifteen years, but we've really just

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<v Speaker 15>become close in the last couple of years since her

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<v Speaker 15>husband died.

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<v Speaker 11>How did you originally meet up with her?

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<v Speaker 15>There was a festival here in Wagner, Oklahoma that we

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<v Speaker 15>both attended fifteen years ago, and my husband and I

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<v Speaker 15>went and met her and her husband. Then she had

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<v Speaker 15>just gotten together with him, and it was actually a

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<v Speaker 15>big weekend party. So that's how we all got to

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<v Speaker 15>know each other first.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey explains that she moved in less than a year ago,

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<v Speaker 1>in May twenty nineteen, and the two of.

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<v Speaker 11>You get together.

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<v Speaker 17>Is it because of her husband dying that you rekindle

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<v Speaker 17>or become closer?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 15>I was starting to have problems with my husband and

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<v Speaker 15>initiated a divorce, and she had lost her husband and

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<v Speaker 15>really lost an interest in living, and then we were

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<v Speaker 15>getting to know each other better and better, and it

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<v Speaker 15>just got to the point where she asked me if

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<v Speaker 15>I would stay with her because she couldn't be alone.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure, and then she was having I don't think she's

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<v Speaker 7>ever been diagnosed as.

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<v Speaker 15>Bipolar, but she had really up periods and really down periods,

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<v Speaker 15>and she didn't want to be alone during the very

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<v Speaker 15>down periods, Okay, so she needed a roommate.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey tells the detective that when she moved in, she

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<v Speaker 1>took on a lot of responsibilities for Telena, who had

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<v Speaker 1>been struggling with her health. Corey ran errands for her,

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<v Speaker 1>handled the household duties. They got close fast. They considered

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 1>each other their emergency contacts. Telena even listed Corey as

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the executor of her estate in her will, and so

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>when Telena got COVID, Corey went into full caregiver mode.

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:03.719
<v Speaker 15>The first thing that happened she gets bad migraines, okay,

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 15>and she finished work on a Friday, went to bed early,

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 15>woke up Saturday morning with a really bad migraine that

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.439
<v Speaker 15>ended up lasting two days. She pretty much stayed in

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 15>bed for two days with migraine. Okay, Monday, she's due

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 15>back at work. And Monday morning she asked me to

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 15>come in and take her temperature, which I did, and

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 15>she was running a one hundred point five, And so

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 15>she stayed in bed with her temperature. I can't remember

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 15>if we went that day or the next day, but

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 15>she pretty much kept her temperature at one hundred one

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 15>hundred point five. So we said we better go down

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 15>to the hospital. We didn't know what this is, and

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 15>so we went to the er at Wagner here and

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 15>a tech came out and asked, you know what symptoms

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 15>she was having and we told her that she had

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 15>to migraine all weekend and now she was spiking the temperature. Sure,

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 15>and they said go home and self medicate and look

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 15>for these signs. And he said, if your temperature goes

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 15>about one oh one or you start developing other problems,

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 15>to call back.

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 7>In or come back in.

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 15>So we went home, and she was kind of at

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 15>that point disheartened or kind of disgusted with things that

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 15>she couldn't get any help or diagnosis or couldn't even

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 15>check in.

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>By this point, there are over two point six million

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>confirmed cases of COVID globally. The US leads the world.

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>In New York is the epicenter with over two hundred

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand cases, thousands of deaths, and hospitals beyond capacity.

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma was preparing for the worst, predicting a surge in

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>COVID cases any day now.

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 15>She developed a really barking cough and sometimes she'd start

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 15>coughing and couldn't stop coughing.

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 7>She was starting to wheeze a little.

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 15>Bit, and I said, you know, we do not want

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 15>you catching pneumonia. So I asked her the night before,

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 15>I said, let's take you back to the emergency room.

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 15>I think you're bad enough now that they will admit you, right,

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 15>And she said no, she just wanted to spend the

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 15>night in her bed with one of the pops.

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>On the morning of April seventh, Corey says, she asks

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>again if she can take to Lena to the hospital

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and toe Lena again says no.

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 15>She asked me to go out and do a few

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 15>things and give her some more time to snuggle with.

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 7>She's got a little yorky that she likes to stay.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 15>In bed with, and she just wanted to I don't

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 15>know what she just wanted to do.

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 11>Did she ask you to do something specific or just

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 11>leave for a while.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, she just wanted me to leave her alone for

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 15>a while. I wish I had never gone and run

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 15>errands that day.

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>When Corey gets home sometime in the afternoon, she goes

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>into Toelina's room to check on her, and Toelena's gone.

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Corey can't tell if Teleina has taken clothes or an

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>overnight bag, but her phone is missing, along with some

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>medication and Toleina's guns.

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 15>She always kept a forty five magnetized to the bottom

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 15>of her bed.

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 7>Okay, that was gone.

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 15>And she always kept a nine millimeter in the car, okay,

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 15>and it was gone. She really she gets into these

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 15>places where she just she just wants to expire, and

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 15>so she doesn't really care.

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 7>She always says, you know, I've got my DNA orders.

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 7>I'm not going to let anybody you know, into vate

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 7>me or whatever.

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 15>Right, And she said, she said, it's a win win,

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 15>I get to see Tom sooner. And she talked like

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 15>that a lot. She'd have good days where she'd be

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 15>really excited about her job and we'd be planning a

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 15>trip and I think this is great, she's got a

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 15>reason to live.

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 7>It's all good.

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 15>And then she'd say, yeah, and the first chance I get,

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 15>I'm gonna check out. So she'd go really high on

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 15>her job or a trip, and then she'd get really

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 15>down and depressed and just not want to be around.

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 11>Has she ever attempted suicide that you know of?

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 7>She has not. She has not ever attempted it with me,

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 7>and I would know.

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 15>Has she talked about how she would do it if

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 15>she did constantly?

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 11>Well, what is the what's her general conversation.

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 7>On that general conversation with me?

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 15>That I would know when she had done it, that

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.719
<v Speaker 15>she had a favorite little spot that she was going

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 15>to go to, and I think she was going to

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 15>use a gun.

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Corey explains that Telena was very matter of fact about death.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Telena had already organized her own funeral and made plans

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>for her estate.

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 15>Telena has always had an end of life game plan

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 15>ever since Tom died. She prepaid her funeral, she planned

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 15>her own music and the order of songs.

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 7>She was going to do. She told not just me,

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 7>but I think.

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 15>All of her friends that you would talk to that

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 15>sooner or later she was going to go join Tom

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 15>on her own time.

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Still, Corey says she's holding out hope that Telena is

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>alive and offer to help Detective Weber in any way

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>she can. He asked her to watch the mail for

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 1>credit card statements and phone bills that may offer clues

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>to her whereabouts.

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 17>What's tough about the situation that we're in is that

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 17>we don't no. There's no clear evidence that a crime

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:23.240
<v Speaker 17>was committed, so because she everything points to her intentionally leaving.

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 17>In other words, people are free to leave on their

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 17>own accord anytime they want, and just because they're missing

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 17>doesn't mean anything was nefarious.

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 7>There's still part of.

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.879
<v Speaker 15>Me thinking that maybe someone will just call and say

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.919
<v Speaker 15>she's sick somewhere. Most of me is saying that when

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 15>I get that phone call, it's gonna be because someone

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 15>found her.

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 7>I'm supposed to identify her.

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 1>While the cops are talking to Corey, the online sleuth

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.399
<v Speaker 1>have their own sprawling investigation.

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 10>It was super intense. I mean we'd stay up for

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 10>hours late at night. During the day, I was always

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 10>on my phone. We were always googling something, looking up

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 10>people online, reaching out to people.

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Everybody had their roles. Brittany, as an Arkansas native, was

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to piece together Telena's movements and timing. Jess was

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the instigator reaching out to new contacts.

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 10>I probably spent twelve fourteen hours on my phone or

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 10>computer talking to people a day, cold calling strangers, We

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 10>tried several times to break into her email. We asked

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 10>her friend, Jim, who works night with Telena, if he

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 10>knew her passwords, and he sent him to us passwords

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.359
<v Speaker 10>that he knew that didn't end up working. We talked

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 10>to the neighbors. The guy across the street. I called

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 10>him because he had a ring camera and we thought

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.319
<v Speaker 10>maybe like he's seen Telena leave. He said it was

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 10>facing the wrong direction. He didn't see anything.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Jess and some of the other girls felt more comfortable

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 3>calling and talked to people than I did. I was

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 3>not the person that called. I was sort of the

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 3>fact checker.

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 1>This is Rosie the small business owner in Ohio.

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>So if people were telling me things, I would, you know,

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.839
<v Speaker 3>look things up and figure things out and try to

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 3>see if these stories made sense. It got really fast,

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 3>really intensely fast.

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Telena's real life friend Nicole starts taking advice from Jess

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and the sleuths.

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 4>They were like, well, why isn't there a missing poster?

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 9>And I thought, well, why isn't there and so we

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 9>put together a missing poster immediately, you know, after that,

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 9>in a post that we could share.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 4>Being in marketing, I kicked it up.

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 9>I contacted a friend who has a friend that's a

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 9>producer of Dateline. We started a missing videos. We put

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 9>together all kinds of things. We put together a team

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 9>in Wagner to do a vigil. We never let them

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 9>forget the name of Telena.

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, membership of the Fine Telena is our Facebook group

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>grows rapidly to almost four hundred participants, and with the

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>growth some growing pains.

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 9>There were some people like good intentions and some people

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 9>who I questioned their intentions.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 10>There was a lot of trolls. Somebody had posted that

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 10>they saw Telen at a truck stop in Wyoming, just

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 10>out of nowhere. Oh, we she's working at a truck

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.359
<v Speaker 10>stop in Wyoming at this diner. And so I think

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 10>probably forty people reached out to this woman and she's like, hey,

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 10>I'm joking. It was that's what I would do if

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 10>I was going to disappear, And it was like, why

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 10>would you post something like that.

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>The group starts off public, but obviously that's a mistake,

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 1>so they change it to private. Jess In some of

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the other original members do admin duty, vetting new requests,

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.800
<v Speaker 1>approving comments, keeping things civil.

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 10>Some of these people are jerks, tempers were high. I

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 10>think a lot of that came with being stuck inside too.

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Jess is a true believer in the power of the

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>crowd source.

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.439
<v Speaker 10>I watched Don't Fuck with Cats on Netflix, and those

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 10>people literally stopped a serial killer. They did. The internet

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.439
<v Speaker 10>came together and was like, look at this room, let's

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 10>draw a map.

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>And the investigation into Telena's disappearance was, she admits, kind

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of fun.

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 10>I really enjoy the picking apart why, and the gathering information,

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.240
<v Speaker 10>and the talking to people and sometimes being the person

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 10>that knows more than the other.

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Guy, scheming with a bunch of strangers, laughing, brainstorming together.

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 1>It also makes Jess feel connected.

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 10>I think the whole world did that, didn't they. I mean,

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 10>I think everybody reached out to anybody they could because

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 10>we all felt so isolated. Any kind of connection you

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:40.919
<v Speaker 10>could make with somebody, you kind of held on tight

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.760
<v Speaker 10>to it because you couldn't see most of the people

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 10>in your life unless they lived with you.

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a new community, united by a common goal find

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>to Lena's are, but it's hard to know just how

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>trustworthy everyone is. And there's a name that keeps popping

0:38:56.040 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>up in Jess's conversations. Has she talked to Toelena's close

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>friend Marty just gets a hold of his number.

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 10>I was sitting on the side porch I smoked at

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 10>the time. I smoked cigarette, so I didn't smoke in

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 10>my house. I have children, so I stepped outside of

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 10>smoke and I just called him.

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Did you feel nervous about doing that? No, So I

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 1>think most people would not cold call someone random whose

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>friend dis disappeared.

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 10>I'm very I hate to say impulsive, because it's not

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.879
<v Speaker 10>necessarily my entire personality, but a lot of stuff. If

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 10>I want to do it, I just do it.

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 10>I'm very direct. It doesn't help me make friends. Nicole

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 10>had told him that I was going to call, and

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 10>so when I called, he said, oh, hey, Darlin, how

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:45.799
<v Speaker 10>are you. He had a very grandfatherly Southern drawl, just

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 10>very approachable, and I was like, oh, this guy's not scary.

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 10>He sounds like anybody's grandpa. And I just said, tell

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 10>me what's going on, and that's he just started talking.

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Connecting with Marty is like hitting gold for Jess and

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the online sleuths because he's on the ground in Wagner

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>looking for Teleina too. And he's also been talking to

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the Sheriff's department. For whatever reason, he's willing to share

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>everything he has with them. He's not skeptical of a

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>bunch of strangers doing their own investigation into Teleina's disappearance.

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>In fact, he welcomes it. The first big clue Marty

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>gives them has to do with Telena's cell phone. The

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>detectives tell him that her phone was last used on

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<v Speaker 1>April seventh, the same day as the Facebook post.

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<v Speaker 10>He had told us that the phone pinged in Arkansas

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<v Speaker 10>by Lake Mamel and it could have pinged within a

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<v Speaker 10>thirty mile radius.

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<v Speaker 8>Please respect my privacy and give me my alone time

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<v Speaker 8>on the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Mamel is a three and a half hour drive

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<v Speaker 1>from Wagner. Brittany, who happens to be in Arkansas, starts

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<v Speaker 1>putting together a map.

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<v Speaker 18>We looked at up the phone towers and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 18>I went and like screenshoted the map of the lake

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<v Speaker 18>and then put a radius over it.

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<v Speaker 10>So we started like going on maps and finding out

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<v Speaker 10>what could be within a thirty mile radius of where

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<v Speaker 10>her phone pained, and just trying to figure out where

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<v Speaker 10>she could be. What cabins or for rents where she

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<v Speaker 10>could stay. What lake is over there, what tiny lake

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<v Speaker 10>even if it's not the big lake mouth or something else,

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<v Speaker 10>a pond or whatever.

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<v Speaker 8>At one of my favorite idaways at one of my

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<v Speaker 8>favorite lakes, and I've booked it for the remainder of

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<v Speaker 8>this week.

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<v Speaker 18>We had come to the conclusion that there might not

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<v Speaker 18>have been very many airbnbs available at the time because

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<v Speaker 18>of COVID, because of the time of the year, and

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<v Speaker 18>because that area that her phone had pained in is

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<v Speaker 18>not really like an area that people go to for vacation,

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<v Speaker 18>like ma Mill is just like a business town, like

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<v Speaker 18>that's where work and go to school and stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not like a vacation town. Didn't feel up to driving,

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<v Speaker 7>so I hired a ride.

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<v Speaker 10>We called all the uber and lyft hubs that we

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<v Speaker 10>could to see if their drivers kept track of who

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<v Speaker 10>they would pick up. Because she said she hired a ride.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty quickly, Marty becomes their main source, a person who

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<v Speaker 1>seems to know a lot, who's just as committed as

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<v Speaker 1>they are to finding to Lena. He goes around town

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<v Speaker 1>passing out the missing poster, helps organize the vigil, even

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<v Speaker 1>talks to the local press.

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<v Speaker 13>I saw her my birthday on which is March twenty six,

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<v Speaker 13>and then I spoke to her on the phone on

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<v Speaker 13>the twenty seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>During this time, Marty and Jess are in constant communication way.

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<v Speaker 10>My text message is to twenty seven pm, three fifteen pm,

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<v Speaker 10>same day as just bam bam, bam, bam, bam, throwing

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<v Speaker 10>ideas at each other. It was obsessive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a mutually beneficial relationship. Marty likes to talk, Jess

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<v Speaker 1>likes to listen.

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<v Speaker 10>He would talk and talk and talk, so he'd give

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<v Speaker 10>us information. He'd give us names, he would give us

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<v Speaker 10>phone numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>In the beginning, Jess doesn't know if she should trust Marty,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just her baseline. She doesn't trust anyone before

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<v Speaker 1>they prove themselves to her. So she's kind of pretending

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<v Speaker 1>with Marty to get him to open up to her.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll say whatever to make him comfortable to get the

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<v Speaker 1>information she wants.

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<v Speaker 10>So all of us wear masks. Right at first, it

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<v Speaker 10>was almost like copying the way he'd talk to me.

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<v Speaker 10>I'd talk back to him that way to try to

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<v Speaker 10>make it so it's easier for us to communicate. And

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<v Speaker 10>then we go off on little talks.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though she's acting friendly on the phone. Jess is

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<v Speaker 1>double checking everything Marty says on Facebook. She can see

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<v Speaker 1>that Teleina and Marty seem to be good friends. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he said. They're tagged in each other's posts a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>including in a phone koo taken at the Oklahoma Renaissance

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<v Speaker 1>Fair in April twenty eighteen. It's Teleina, Marty and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Lorianne. It's a warm day. They're dressed in shorts

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<v Speaker 1>and t shirts, all smiling widely. But in the caption,

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<v Speaker 1>Marty refers to both women as his quote wives, which

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<v Speaker 1>is confusing, and so is Telena's name or more accurately names.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jess runs a basic background check, the kind you

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<v Speaker 1>can pay for online, nothing comes up for Telenazar. Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out her legal name is actually Teuleina Galloway, but even

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<v Speaker 1>that name hadn't been her name for very long. Before

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<v Speaker 1>Telena Galloway, she was Jena Lovic and before that Jenna Dillman.

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<v Speaker 1>Ess doesn't know what to make of all this. With

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<v Speaker 1>additional researches, learns that Telenazar is more of her online nickname.

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<v Speaker 10>I'd done some Internet digging, you know, basic Google stuff,

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<v Speaker 10>and I googled Telenazar, and then that popped up with

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<v Speaker 10>the John Norman Gorrian novels, and I was like, literally

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<v Speaker 10>not very polite of me, What the how are you

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<v Speaker 10>people into? What is going on here?

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<v Speaker 11>Gore was a world of slaves and beautiful women of

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<v Speaker 11>human domination by the alien secret priest Kings. And it

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<v Speaker 11>was also the world of Telena.

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<v Speaker 8>Lena to Lena.

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<v Speaker 7>Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next week on What Happened to Telenazar. What Happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Telenazar is a production of iHeart Podcasts. It's written, reported,

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<v Speaker 1>and hosted by me Melissa Jelson, with writing and story

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<v Speaker 1>editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer is Ryan Murdoch.

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