Speaker 1: It is Friday, February twenty first, twenty twenty five. This
Speaker 1: is another off season edition of Football Today. Justin Pennock
Speaker 1: checking in, Chris Rose checking in, producer Connor checking in.
Speaker 1: What we should be doing is checking in on Bobby Skinner.
Speaker 1: Isn't he saying I do this weekend?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: He sure is. And we're what we're both hoping a
Speaker 3: crossing our figures for as if this Nephew Stafford thing
Speaker 3: is going to happen. It doesn't happen on Sunday, Well,
Speaker 3: we're God doing the macarena at Bobby Skinner's wedding. That's
Speaker 3: what we're hoping because does not happen.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just play this out real quick, because we
Speaker 1: will start with the Stafford discussions and what it means
Speaker 1: for the Giants and Rams, et cetera. If it happens
Speaker 1: the morning of his wedding, do you guys record.
Speaker 2: An episode the morning? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, panic. Let me tell you some Does
Speaker 1: his bride understand this?
Speaker 3: Yes, she very much understands the job, and I actually
Speaker 3: think she may encourage it.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. Hey, leave us, leave us some
Speaker 1: comments down below. What would your significant other think yet
Speaker 1: breaking news happened and you hosted a podcast like Talking
Speaker 1: Giants and your team was involved in a possible huge
Speaker 1: deal for a guy like Matthew Stafford. Would that person
Speaker 1: be okay with you recording an episode of Talking Giants.
Speaker 1: That's remarkable, Okay, good stuff.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: So while we're here Pennic, Yeah, obviously the reports are
Speaker 1: it's either the Rams or the Giants. You know, heard
Speaker 1: all sorts of you know, what would the Giants send
Speaker 1: in return to Los Angeles? What would it mean for
Speaker 1: the Rams left behind? Where are we with this in
Speaker 1: Giants world?
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna happen, and it's just a matter
Speaker 3: of when not if. Where we're at right now, it's
Speaker 3: February twentieth, you know, and a lot of people say,
Speaker 3: I know, you gotta wait on the combine. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if the Rams, if Snead and McVeigh, I
Speaker 3: don't even think they go to the combine.
Speaker 2: They haven't been. Yeah, so I don't.
Speaker 3: Even know if like conversations would progress of the combine.
Speaker 3: I I don't know what necessarily the hold up is.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like it's a trade and then you would
Speaker 3: have to agree to a contract extension. That's typically how
Speaker 3: this stuff works. And I think why the Rams and
Speaker 3: the Matthew Safford are having trouble in the first place
Speaker 3: is because of money. So that's my theory. I think
Speaker 3: we're kind of waiting on not an if, but a when.
Speaker 3: Now things could change and you know, teams can move
Speaker 3: in or even the Rams could work out a deal
Speaker 3: with Stafford, but I think this is this is pretty close.
Speaker 3: We're kind of waiting on the edge of our seats
Speaker 3: in terms of Giants land about when this is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a few things.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that if a quarterback falls to at
Speaker 1: three then Matthew Stafford is the guy to be the
Speaker 1: mentor for future quarterback? Does it mean you just ride
Speaker 1: it out with Stafford and let him play another year
Speaker 1: or two or however long he plays. We do see
Speaker 1: eyes get into their forties, and he has been extremely
Speaker 1: healthy for the most part throughout his career.
Speaker 2: What do you do if you're the Giants.
Speaker 3: I would hope that they would take best player available three,
Speaker 3: a guy that can help them right now, or even
Speaker 3: trade back, acquire more assets, acquire more players through this
Speaker 3: year's draft, maybe even next year's draft, and it can
Speaker 3: help you right now because this trade for Matthew Stafford
Speaker 3: is a help you right now move. And what do
Speaker 3: Joe Shane and Brian da Will need. They need help
Speaker 3: right now. They need to prove to their boss, their
Speaker 3: owner that they can win football games, and they can
Speaker 3: start to win football games now. Maybe if this were
Speaker 3: the first year of a regime, like we just saw
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons do and there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: that say, oh, but it kind of worked out. I
Speaker 3: still am of the belief that if you wanted to
Speaker 3: draft Michael Pennix, you should have never signed Kirk Cousins
Speaker 3: because now, like, what are you going to do with
Speaker 3: What are you going to do with Kirk Cousins. That's
Speaker 3: a big question that they have. So maybe if they're
Speaker 3: in the first year of a regime, maybe they like
Speaker 3: to do that of like, oh, well, that's trade for
Speaker 3: the veteran and then also draft the guy at three.
Speaker 3: But Joe Shane and Brian Dable, they are running out
Speaker 3: of time. They need a player like a Travis Hunter,
Speaker 3: an Abdul Carter, a Mason. They need somebody that can
Speaker 3: kind of come in there and help them immediately impact
Speaker 3: them from day one of this year. Matthew Safford can
Speaker 3: do that on the quarterback side of things, and then whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, I guess defensive player they would draft. That
Speaker 3: player can kind of help you, you know, upgrade day
Speaker 3: one right then and there. And then also as a
Speaker 3: Giants fan, Rose, this is something I want to throw
Speaker 3: at you too, something that hasn't been talked about. I
Speaker 3: do think that Brian Dable and Joe Shane they have
Speaker 3: one or two years left at best. I do not
Speaker 3: think that this is going to work. A lot of
Speaker 3: the NFL world was surprised that those guys were kept.
Speaker 3: That they should have probably been fired. They just have
Speaker 3: not done a good job. If thet the Giants are
Speaker 3: going to take some sort of swing at quarterback this offseason,
Speaker 3: right like they have to. It's either going to be
Speaker 3: drafting a quarterback of three, you know, signing a Sam
Speaker 3: Donald or you know, even though they a justin fields,
Speaker 3: even though that's not a big swing, They're going to
Speaker 3: take a an approach of quarterback this year because they
Speaker 3: have to. They have to. They're not going to sit
Speaker 3: on their hands and just be oh, we have to
Speaker 3: wait for the perfect guy they're going to take a swing.
Speaker 3: I would rather take the swing of Matthew Stafford, which
Speaker 3: is money, whease it's going to be money. I don't
Speaker 3: think the first round or second round pick is going
Speaker 3: to be involved in this. No for the Giants, So
Speaker 3: at this point we're talking about money. I would much
Speaker 3: rather kick money down the line if that's going to
Speaker 3: be the swing that a desperate regime is going to take.
Speaker 3: Then drafting s Sanders at three, a new regime comes in,
Speaker 3: and then we have to do this whole song and
Speaker 3: dance all over again about does the new regime believe
Speaker 3: in this guy? They have to play him. It's much
Speaker 3: easier to just get rid of money and kick that
Speaker 3: down the road rather than a valuable draft asset, especially
Speaker 3: one a guy that you draft in a quarterback. Yeh,
Speaker 3: that's Matthew Stafford is the lesser of two evils.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what would make ownership change
Speaker 1: the regime after next year as opposed to what we
Speaker 1: just saw this season, because even if you do get
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, you're still most likely the fourth best team
Speaker 1: in the division at best third, right, You've got the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champs. You've got Washington, which has got their
Speaker 1: quarterback and probably had the worst team that they will
Speaker 1: have around Jayden Daniels for the foreseeable future in a
Speaker 1: year where they went to the NFC title game in Dallas's.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call them a complete mess, but they're kind
Speaker 1: of a non factor in my eyes. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what would make them, you know, want both GM
Speaker 1: and head coach back. I just can't figure that one
Speaker 1: out to me. The more interesting part of the equation
Speaker 1: is what the Rams do. Okay, the Rams were as
Speaker 1: close as anybody to beating the Philadelphia Eagles in the
Speaker 1: playoffs this year, right they were, They had consecutors screw
Speaker 1: ups by their rookie center and if not, maybe it's
Speaker 1: the Rams that were playing in the Super Bowl with
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. So I don't quite understand why they want
Speaker 1: to move on from him. What is the next plan
Speaker 1: in place? The athletic has reported they'd be perfectly fine
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Garoppolo as their starter quarterback next year.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that. I just I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, and I don't believe it, and
Speaker 1: I don't see them going out to get anybody that
Speaker 1: would make them significantly better than what Matthew Stafford has
Speaker 1: made them the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: Yes, especially in December and January. Like Matthew Stafford has
Speaker 3: been so so bad good and when it when it
Speaker 3: matters most. I think like throughout a NFL history, there's
Speaker 3: like a thirty third team stat out there that's like
Speaker 3: through NFL history, Matthew Stafford is some of the best
Speaker 3: numbers in December and January. So, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: Rose like we're the theme of the episode today is,
Speaker 3: you know, the NFC perfect scenario. We kind of did
Speaker 3: that for the AFC on last week's episode, so I'll
Speaker 3: kind of just you know, spoil it a little bit.
Speaker 3: I have a you know, the Vince Gills song Don't
Speaker 3: let Don't let Our Love start slipping away?
Speaker 2: Now you're you're bringing up the run.
Speaker 1: If you're bringing up country to this guy, you might
Speaker 1: as well not bring it up.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I have respect for that. You know what they do
Speaker 1: for the genre. It's not playing in my car or
Speaker 1: in my earbuds anytime.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh but Vince Vince Gill such a good song in
Speaker 3: the nineties don't let our love start slipping away.
Speaker 2: Starting it and maybe it'll help me recollect.
Speaker 3: Don't let our love stant slip in love stunt slipping. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, So if I'm the Rams, that's like what
Speaker 3: I'm asking you. It's, you know, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: this is pre Pookinakua. You know, we're talking about Stafford
Speaker 3: maybe retiring and McVeigh retiring. Do you remember that where
Speaker 3: it's like, are are these guys even going to be back?
Speaker 3: And then the emergence of pooka akuah, And then you
Speaker 3: have a really good draft class, you know, last year,
Speaker 3: and then you expand upon it with another good draft
Speaker 3: class this year with the front two defensive players even
Speaker 3: get you know bo Limmer in there, you know, the
Speaker 3: center that you know wound up messing up some snaps,
Speaker 3: but he was like a starter this year. So you
Speaker 3: have a couple of good draft classes here, and especially
Speaker 3: the emergence of Pook and a coup, and I feel
Speaker 3: like that kind of saved Matthew Stafford's career towards the
Speaker 3: latter end of towards the latter part of his thirties.
Speaker 3: And if I'm the I'm looking at them exactly what
Speaker 3: you just said. You go toe to toe with the
Speaker 3: Lions last year, a juggernaut of a team, You as
Speaker 3: a team are not a juggernaut, at least not yet.
Speaker 3: And then even this year, you go toe to toe
Speaker 3: with the Eagles and the Rams. Once again from a
Speaker 3: roster standpoint, they're not a juggernaut, but they're going up
Speaker 3: against the juggernaut of a team and they go toe
Speaker 3: to toe with them. Why would you want to lose
Speaker 3: the momentum that you've built over the last two years,
Speaker 3: even if Matthew Stafford is a little bit older, and
Speaker 3: even if he wants a little bit more money, why
Speaker 3: would you want to lose that?
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: All right, it is time though, to our NFC team
Speaker 1: perfect scenarios. We're going to go reverse order of the
Speaker 1: draft this year. So you're Giants, whom we've already talked
Speaker 1: about significantly, are first up on this show. What do
Speaker 1: you have as the perfect scenario?
Speaker 3: Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. Because it's
Speaker 3: the only thing that the Giants were talking about after
Speaker 3: the season ended, John Marraw said, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, and
Speaker 3: then Joe Shane said, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, And even though
Speaker 3: the rest of the roster needs work, and they have
Speaker 3: questions on the cornerback side, even though they drafted a
Speaker 3: cornerback in the first round and they don't really believe
Speaker 3: in him as CB one. They have questions on the
Speaker 3: offensive line, even though they've spent a ton of resources
Speaker 3: and allocations on that, especially on the interior, they have
Speaker 3: major questions. They have major I think they have major
Speaker 3: questions at wide receiver. Is Darius Slayton going to be
Speaker 3: brought back? And who's gonna tell Malik Neighbors where to
Speaker 3: line up where? And they have a lot of questions
Speaker 3: around their roster. But if you talk to a lot
Speaker 3: of people in the building, you know, if they or
Speaker 3: at least if you talk to them publicly, they're just
Speaker 3: going to talk about quarterback, quarterback, quarterback because they are
Speaker 3: desperate for it.
Speaker 2: Chris Rose, Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1: Got to start there, and we've talked about it ad
Speaker 1: nauseum on this show. If you don't have a plan,
Speaker 1: you and deep Dog, you know what, Carolina Panthers for
Speaker 1: me are up next. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people would look at it and say, well, you've got
Speaker 1: to get Bryce Young more help, particularly on the outside. Right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have enough weapons, And I understand that, and
Speaker 1: that should be priority two. Priority one is fixing that
Speaker 1: horrific defense. It was the only defense in the NFL
Speaker 1: last year that allowed more than four hundred yards per game.
Speaker 1: It was the only defense in the NFL that allowed
Speaker 1: more than thirty points per game. So you have got
Speaker 1: to fix that. And I would really look at the secondary.
Speaker 1: That was a joke last season, but I think part
Speaker 1: of the fact is that they didn't get enough push
Speaker 1: up front. Right, They've got Derek Brown, who is a
Speaker 1: fantastic player. When he is out there, he is great.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I would take the best
Speaker 1: defensive tackle with my number eight overall pick to pair
Speaker 1: with him. Get that push through the center. We have
Speaker 1: seen how disruptive that can be in the NFL when
Speaker 1: you're pushing lineman right back into the quarterback's face. How
Speaker 1: much that helps an entire defense. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's Mason Graham. I don't know if that's too
Speaker 1: high for a guy like Walter Nolan, not Ole Miss
Speaker 1: go get edge help on the free agent market. There's
Speaker 1: enough guys there you might be end up over paying
Speaker 1: a little bit fix the defense up front because that
Speaker 1: will eventually help your secondary.
Speaker 2: But my god, I.
Speaker 1: Can't watch the Carolina Panthers play defense. For god's sakes.
Speaker 1: Don't ask Bryce Young to go score thirty five points
Speaker 1: a game, because that's not gonna happen right now.
Speaker 3: No, No, And I think Bryce Young We're gonna go
Speaker 3: through an offseason where people are going to overhype Bryce
Speaker 3: Young a little bit. We saw Bryce Young finish the season,
Speaker 3: and honestly, he was playing average. It was like average
Speaker 3: quarterback play, right. But I think for Bryce Young, compared
Speaker 3: to what he was doing his rookie year and compared
Speaker 3: to what he was doing towards the start of the season,
Speaker 3: I think people are gonna look at average and be like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this guy can creep into you know,
Speaker 3: above average or top ten you or not, maybe not
Speaker 3: top ten. But people are going to overhype what Bryce
Speaker 3: Young did last year simply because I think the bar
Speaker 3: was set so low. He made a great point on
Speaker 3: the defense. This is a team in the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 3: last year that put a lot of resources and a
Speaker 3: lot of money on the offensive line, I think, particularly
Speaker 3: on the interior. And they even went out they got
Speaker 3: A'shean Robinson last year, gave him a little bit of
Speaker 3: money on the interior. He's more of a run stopper,
Speaker 3: Ashwan Robinson. So I would predict that, Hey, if the
Speaker 3: Panthers they want to build this thing up right, continue
Speaker 3: to put more resources on the old line. Continue. You
Speaker 3: got to put more resources on that defensive side. Pat
Speaker 3: you know, you got to get after the passer. I mean,
Speaker 3: they have a bunch of good run stoppers, but you know,
Speaker 3: if Jadevion Clowney's your best edge rusher, you know that's
Speaker 3: not really doing too much for you, at least the
Speaker 3: biggest name. You gotta be able to get after the
Speaker 3: quarterback a little bit. Let's get some more size, Let's
Speaker 3: got some more pass rushers on that defensive side and
Speaker 3: build it up that way. I'm with you, and I
Speaker 3: think they can. They showed last year that they're willing
Speaker 3: to build it up in that right way.
Speaker 2: You got the Saints up next.
Speaker 3: Oh I do Rose you ever see the office?
Speaker 2: Sure? Now that one I'm on board with.
Speaker 3: Remember when Michael Scott yelled, I declare bankruptcy okay, good.
Speaker 3: I need the Saints to yell I declare bankruptcy, because
Speaker 3: just give it up, man, give up tossing the money
Speaker 3: down the line, signing the veterans, and you know, just
Speaker 3: push the money back, push the money back, give it up,
Speaker 3: because I think this is a team that may need
Speaker 3: to go through a little bit of mud for a
Speaker 3: year or two to get them get yourselves in a
Speaker 3: better financial situation, because you're not going to go out
Speaker 3: there as I think the NFC South is an emerging division,
Speaker 3: as you have in the Atlanta Falcons. They need to
Speaker 3: have a big off season. They have a lot of
Speaker 3: money to spend, are you well, maybe not. You know,
Speaker 3: they have a good amount you know, of resources that
Speaker 3: they need to They need to get the Bucks or
Speaker 3: continue to be an emerging team that drafts well. So
Speaker 3: I don't think I think the Saints are lowering themselves
Speaker 3: on the NFC South hierarchy, which is not a very
Speaker 3: competitive hierarchy to begin with. Declare bankruptcy, try and get
Speaker 3: this cap situation sorted out, and kind of just continue
Speaker 3: to draft well like Mickey Loomis has kind of done,
Speaker 3: and don't don't do what you've done the last couple
Speaker 3: of years with the cap and being in the red.
Speaker 3: I think they're like forty seven to forty something million
Speaker 3: in the red right now.
Speaker 2: Forty seven.
Speaker 1: They're in the worst cap situation in the league by
Speaker 1: far more than double the next worst, which would be
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: So or right around double. Yeah, they're mess. You're right.
Speaker 1: I don't know with Mickey Loomis if if that's the philosophy,
Speaker 1: because I just don't see. For a guy who's basically
Speaker 1: had the longest tenure of any decision maker in the
Speaker 1: NFL with a single team, I don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, it makes sense, you know, from
Speaker 1: your lips, but I don't see it. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I'll move on to the Chicago Bears. For me, it's
Speaker 1: pretty simple. Fourtify the offensive line. Whatever you can do
Speaker 1: to help Caleb Williams development. It starts up front with
Speaker 1: those five. You know, Ben Johnson, everybody thinks of him
Speaker 1: as this wonderful offensive genius, and that is true, but
Speaker 1: hopefully he learned something from being in Detroit. When Detroit
Speaker 1: came in with their new regime coaching staff in front office,
Speaker 1: what's the first thing they did was build up the
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lines, and some people looked at it
Speaker 1: and were like, what are you doing. Well, now, the
Speaker 1: Lions are the Lions because of what they do up front,
Speaker 1: and the Bears have over sixty million in cap space.
Speaker 1: Jase Smith, welcome to Chicago. I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: that they're going to go after. You also have the
Speaker 1: tenth pick in the draft. Whatever tackled is available, Go
Speaker 1: get him. Williams was sacked sixty eight times last year,
Speaker 1: and obviously with a rookie quarterback who likes to extend plays,
Speaker 1: that is not all on the five guys up front. However,
Speaker 1: it's the third most of any quarterback in the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL. My buddy David Carr, Randall Cunningham are
Speaker 1: the only guys who got sacked more frequently in a
Speaker 1: single season. So go get him, Go get him feeling well,
Speaker 1: allow him to play the best quarterback not only improvisational skills,
Speaker 1: but playing quarterback by standing in the pocket and being
Speaker 1: able to read a defense. And that starts with feeling comfortable.
Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, there's pretty simple.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: All three of their starting interior offensive line and including
Speaker 3: some of their backups too, they're gonna be free agents.
Speaker 3: I would maybe they didn't like to see good I
Speaker 3: would like to see them bring back Tevin Jenkins. Tevin
Speaker 3: Jenkins is a really nice story of a guy that
Speaker 3: was a high draft pick, drafted as a tackle, but
Speaker 3: he's converted to guard. Really nice. But he's probably gonna
Speaker 3: be looking for a little bit of a payday. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Trey Trace Smith sixty nine. It's so it's so amazing
Speaker 3: that the Bears have not really they've gone on, they've
Speaker 3: spent the last couple off seasons, but pretty not recklessly
Speaker 3: that they still have, you know, sixty nine million dollars
Speaker 3: in cap space. You know with the rookie on that
Speaker 3: you know the look with the rookie, you know, rookie
Speaker 3: quarterback on his rookie deal. And you look at that
Speaker 3: defense too, like you have Montes sweat, You have you
Speaker 3: extended Jalen Johnson, you would you extended DJ Moore? Like
Speaker 3: they still have so much cap space and so much room.
Speaker 3: It's the Chicago was really set up to build a
Speaker 3: really really good roster, very competitive NFC North.
Speaker 2: Though you're up with the Niners.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, we got to bring back a forty nine
Speaker 3: or defensive identity, like and I'm really glad that Robert
Speaker 3: sala Is back as the defensive coordinator, hasn't been there
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. Same defensive efficiency
Speaker 3: as the Cincinnati Bengals last year rose the San Francisco
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers. If I were to kind of just
Speaker 3: quizzy on that, like defensive epa per play and be like,
Speaker 3: you know, just overall efficiency, you would not think that
Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers and the Bengals would be on
Speaker 3: the same level. But they were. And I'm looking at
Speaker 3: that front besides Nick Bosa, who really intimidates you.
Speaker 1: No, they you know, I thought that they kind of
Speaker 1: misjudged the talent level. I even thought that it was
Speaker 1: going to be significantly better than the season before. Listen,
Speaker 1: they missed Hargrave an awful lot. You know, that's a
Speaker 1: dude that I think does so much good, dirty work
Speaker 1: on the interior that when he's not around then you
Speaker 1: realize how good he is. But yes, they massively, massively underachieved,
Speaker 1: and Nick Sorenson was in over his head as a
Speaker 1: defensive play caller.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean twenty twenty two, I watched every play,
Speaker 3: every defensive play of them in twenty twenty two for
Speaker 3: a project I'm working on with Nick Bosa, and that
Speaker 3: was just an attacking an attacking unit, the stunts that
Speaker 3: they would run, the twist that they would run, the
Speaker 3: games that they would run up front. I think Robert
Speaker 3: Sala's gonna that was Demiico Ryans's defense corner. But I
Speaker 3: think Sala's going to try and bring back that attacking mentality.
Speaker 3: But still you do need the players. They're like, I
Speaker 3: don't like you tour Gross Mantos. Drake Jackson was a
Speaker 3: guy in year two that I thought was going to
Speaker 3: take a step up and kind of ascend, but I
Speaker 3: think he was hurt. He wound up missing like half
Speaker 3: the year. So this is another team. What do you
Speaker 3: learn from the super Bowl and what do you learn
Speaker 3: from the postseason?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: What you learned from the Philadelphia Eagles is that they
Speaker 3: invest in on line, in D line, in pass rushers,
Speaker 3: and they just spam in and it works. So I
Speaker 3: feel like so many teams were now saying go and
Speaker 3: get more on the fronts, right, but I think the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers do it. They need more disruptors on defense.
Speaker 3: Get back to having Nick Bosa, as that lead catalyst
Speaker 3: of hitting the quarterback, sacking the quarterback more than anybody
Speaker 3: in the NFL. And the way that you can do
Speaker 3: that is by getting guys on that defense that can
Speaker 3: attack and that can fill holes and it open stuff
Speaker 3: up for Nick Bosa to be the dude that he
Speaker 3: can be very excited for. Robert solid back. But that offense,
Speaker 3: you know, it maybe had its flaws at times, but
Speaker 3: that offense, the numbers are relatively good for the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers. That defense needs to bring back its identity
Speaker 3: that it had a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys are up next.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a tough one for me to say,
Speaker 1: but I think it's really important for the future of
Speaker 1: this franchise. Realize that even though you pay Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: like an elite quarterback, he needs a massive amount of help.
Speaker 2: They don't support him enough.
Speaker 1: They think that just because he's the highest paid quarterback,
Speaker 1: that he's going to win your games in the clutch,
Speaker 1: and this is not who Dak is. I think that
Speaker 1: he is a solid quarterback, but he is nowhere near
Speaker 1: the dudes at the top of the discussion that when
Speaker 1: you know the game is on the line, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: get on my back and let's go. He needs to
Speaker 1: be a guy that plays from in front, and they
Speaker 1: have done a terrible job of helping him out at
Speaker 1: running back right Rico Dudele actually had a thousand yards
Speaker 1: last season and he's about to be a free agent.
Speaker 1: But they need a difference maker right there. If you
Speaker 1: want to take one to twelve, go for it. As
Speaker 1: long as the right guy's there. Slam needs a running mate.
Speaker 1: We have talked about that for several years. Now go
Speaker 1: do it now. They made a couple of the two
Speaker 1: of their top three picks last year were offensive lineman
Speaker 1: Geiten and Bbe.
Speaker 2: Both ended up starting.
Speaker 1: Hopefully those guys pan out to be okay, But just
Speaker 1: keep getting Dak more help. They're not gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of will go room in free agency, and we
Speaker 1: know what's hanging over on the contractual side on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. But you have to understand, yes,
Speaker 1: you have paid Dak Prescott. We can argue until we're
Speaker 1: blue in the face whether that was the right move
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You've done it. Now go get him sufficient
Speaker 1: help or you're just gonna be the third best team
Speaker 1: in the NFC. East at best for years to come.
Speaker 2: Rose.
Speaker 3: I'm starting to get worried that the Dallas Cowboys we
Speaker 3: used to solve, but at least they have a good roster. Right,
Speaker 3: they have a good roster. They have problems, they have holes,
Speaker 3: they have a good roster. I am starting to get worried.
Speaker 3: You look up and down this roster, and you look
Speaker 3: up and down about who's about to become a free
Speaker 3: agent for the Dallas Cowboys. They have Zach Martin who's
Speaker 3: about to become a free agent, who may retire, right
Speaker 3: who I don't know if they want to pay him.
Speaker 3: De Marcus Lawrence, who granted not the same pass rusher
Speaker 3: that he was, he's still very good run defender and
Speaker 3: that's what this defense needs. They need run stoppers. Osa
Speaker 3: Digizu on the interior, I mean there's no interior presence
Speaker 3: on that team. Mazi Smith has not been good for that.
Speaker 3: Diggy Zua's about the free a free agent. Do they
Speaker 3: want to pay him? Eric Kendricks is a linebacker for them, Okay,
Speaker 3: a veteran doesn't really do too much. But you have
Speaker 3: demarve On Overshown, who's coming off another season ending injury
Speaker 3: where he started to show a little bit of promise.
Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of questions that this
Speaker 3: Dallas roster has, and the stars will carry them and
Speaker 3: they will take them place. CD Dak and Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3: So you have those three. They're going to take you
Speaker 3: places and they're going to help you in games. But
Speaker 3: rose you look at this roster, it is not very good. Now.
Speaker 1: I've always think that the roster has been overvalued because
Speaker 1: of the star and the side of the helmet, and
Speaker 1: I just think they're okay, and I think that they'll
Speaker 1: be okay for years to come at best.
Speaker 2: But we'll see, we'll see lot of holes all right.
Speaker 1: Up next for you, you have got the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, similar to the San Francisco forty nine ers. We
Speaker 3: need a defensive identity. We need to find a defensive identity,
Speaker 3: and it is continuing to add players up front, take
Speaker 3: a step up from bend, but don't break add pass
Speaker 3: rushers and under Raheem Morris. There is no reason why
Speaker 3: you should have a bottom two third down defense in
Speaker 3: the NFL at a bottom five red zone defense. What
Speaker 3: is the point of hiring a defensive coach if your
Speaker 3: defense is horrible and it is ben but don't break,
Speaker 3: and it is not an advantage for you. So now,
Speaker 3: the talent that the Falcons have offensively and even like
Speaker 3: there's some talented players defensively there too, it needs to
Speaker 3: kind of match up and they need to have a
Speaker 3: very very big offseason of adding players on that defensive
Speaker 3: side of the ball. So you feel better about it.
Speaker 3: Just too much bend but don't break for me, too
Speaker 3: much bend but don't break. Like you play the Atlanta Falcons,
Speaker 3: you get excited as an offense thinking that you know,
Speaker 3: you can kind of dink and dunk. We can run
Speaker 3: a lot of players, We can run the ball. They
Speaker 3: won't allow the big play, which that was the best
Speaker 3: part about what they did last year is those safeties
Speaker 3: and that secondary. They're not going to allow the big play,
Speaker 3: but they allow everything underneath. They allow you to run
Speaker 3: the ball, find a better defensive identity, especially under a
Speaker 3: defensive head coach, and Raheem Morris, you gotta find it.
Speaker 1: That was disappointing because you know, part of the reason
Speaker 1: they hired him. You said, let's take care of the offense.
Speaker 1: You all do that, and the defense is mine. And
Speaker 1: we thought based on what he had done in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles that, Yeah, it was going to take a huge
Speaker 1: step up, and it just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3: It got worse. It was actually it was actually very
Speaker 3: good against the run, and then it got worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, for years they have gone
Speaker 1: out the dude when it comes to pass rushing. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is with this franchise. They just
Speaker 1: can't seem to nail that at all. Right, Like Vick
Speaker 1: Remember when they drafted Vic Beasley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was going to be the dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he had one year where it where it
Speaker 1: really popped, and then that was it. And it just
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like they're getting that right. I know they
Speaker 1: traded for Matthew ju Down, who I believe is now
Speaker 1: a free agent, but yeah, hasn't been good enough.
Speaker 2: Hasn't been good enough.
Speaker 3: Ante Fowler was there for a hot suck too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's move on to Arizona.
Speaker 1: This could be a really nice offseason for the Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 1: who I thought were significantly better than I expected a
Speaker 1: season ago. They've got the fourth most cap space. They
Speaker 1: do have a ton of free agents upfront defensively, with
Speaker 1: a lineup that I thought at times overachieved. They got
Speaker 1: forty one sacks, so it's not the most in the league,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought. And
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Gannon, of course, coming from Philadelphia before taking
Speaker 1: the head coaching gig, he knows you need seven or
Speaker 1: eight dudes up front. That's the Eagles mantra and just
Speaker 1: let him go to work. So they need to find
Speaker 1: the best interior guys, best edge guys they can through
Speaker 1: the draft. I know I said a lot of this
Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers, but I really believe it. You
Speaker 1: need two sets of pass rutshers in the middle and
Speaker 1: on the outside that can get it going for them
Speaker 1: because I think that offensively, they're a fun watch. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about him, but I kind
Speaker 1: of dig them. They've got a tight end. If he
Speaker 1: ever gets into the end zone, which he finally did
Speaker 1: last year. You know, Marvin Harrison Junior, We're gonna need
Speaker 1: more consistency out of him, but they've got that taken
Speaker 1: care of.
Speaker 2: Kyler. I think is fun to watch, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that they can make steps to where they
Speaker 1: can consistently be a wild card team.
Speaker 2: I really believe that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I thought that maybe they would creep
Speaker 3: their way into it. Last year, they kind of fluttered
Speaker 3: and they were a very inconsistent team last year. I
Speaker 3: also think the offensive coordinator is going to eventually be
Speaker 3: getting head coaching buzz, and that probably will happen, as
Speaker 3: you know, they have another offseason to upgrade. I think
Speaker 3: that may even happen by this time next year. Rose,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna name you the seven players that had three
Speaker 3: or more sacks for the Arizona Cardinals last year. Zavan
Speaker 3: Collins was a convert from off ball linebacker I believe
Speaker 3: to an outside linebacker. Dante Stills, LJ. Collier, Mac Wilson,
Speaker 3: Dennis our Deck Good but only played seven games last year.
Speaker 3: I kind of view him as a like a van
Speaker 3: Ney slash. Uh, who's the guy from Minnesota who's very
Speaker 3: van Ginkel. Yes, I kind of view those guys in
Speaker 3: a similar way. Yeah, Jesse Luketta from Penn State, Nikwon Jones.
Speaker 3: Those are the seven players that register three or more
Speaker 3: sacks for the Arizona Cardinals. Congratulations. If you really know
Speaker 3: these guys like the back of your hand, you really
Speaker 3: know ball, but I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a bunch of those guys I know Collier
Speaker 1: gard Deck a few guys I don't know if Stills
Speaker 1: is like four or five of those guys are free
Speaker 1: agents as well, so your you and your team might
Speaker 1: get to really know them in the off season.
Speaker 2: We will see. There you go.
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Speaker 1: with this exercise today. We've got the Seattle Seahawks up next.
Speaker 1: What do you got?
Speaker 3: Sattle Seahawks have a three really good wide receivers, Rowse
Speaker 3: Tyler Lockett, they have JSN and they have DK Metcalf.
Speaker 3: Why aren't they viewed as more deadly together as a trio.
Speaker 3: That is my goal for them next year. Find a
Speaker 3: way and Clint Kobiak find a way to have these
Speaker 3: three should be one of the most lethal combos of
Speaker 3: eleven personnel in the NFL. But it is year after year,
Speaker 3: the especially the last two years that's when JASM was drafted.
Speaker 3: The three of these guys on the field should be
Speaker 3: feared together instead. There are times where they're more efficient
Speaker 3: when one of them is off the field, and that
Speaker 3: is very, very frustrating to me, Dk Metcalf. It's not
Speaker 3: like this guy's thirty or thirty one or thirty two.
Speaker 3: He's still twenty seven years old Tyler Lockett. If you
Speaker 3: want to make the argument that yeah, he's aging and
Speaker 3: he's aging out a little bit, sure can make that argument.
Speaker 3: But the presence of the other two should amplify even
Speaker 3: if Tyler Lockett is taking a couple steps back. So honestly,
Speaker 3: we should look at as DOT three. That trio was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: that is a lethal eleven personnel combo, but we really don't.
Speaker 3: It's only on paper.
Speaker 1: Well, I think your theory is gonna be a bit
Speaker 1: flawed because I think that'll be down to two this season.
Speaker 1: I don't think Tyler Lockett is gonna be a Seattle Seahawk.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be one of the cuts. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get saved some cap space. I think
Speaker 1: he will be playing elsewhere in twenty twenty five. As
Speaker 1: my guess, I think part of it is is that
Speaker 1: you look at DK and you expect him to Why
Speaker 1: isn't he like a two thousand yard receiver? And then
Speaker 1: there's right, and then there's games where he gets like
Speaker 1: forty seven yards. What the heck is happening here now?
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbo was awesome last year. There was
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with his game. He is significantly more consistent
Speaker 1: than the other two.
Speaker 2: He might not be as wow as Metcalf, but he is.
Speaker 1: If I need a catch throwing the ball at him,
Speaker 1: I think he's really good.
Speaker 3: But Rose, I mean, DK Metcalf didn't have a seven
Speaker 3: yard game until the middle of November, right.
Speaker 1: That's kind of my point. You know, whenever somebody drafts
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf in your league, you go, oh, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, fine, he's had a couple
Speaker 1: of good years where it's really it's popped.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing. I think they're I
Speaker 1: think they're okay. The Seahawks are okay. I got Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay up next, and this is really important. The perfect
Speaker 1: scenario for them is keep hitting on OC's Dave Canalis
Speaker 1: came down from Seattle, took over, got Baker back on track,
Speaker 1: got him one hundred million dollar deal, helped them win
Speaker 1: the division and a playoff game. What does he get
Speaker 1: head coaching gig out of Carolina, who comes in Liam
Speaker 1: Cohen took Baker to an entirely new level. We're talking
Speaker 1: about forty five hundred passing yards, a forty touchdown passing machine,
Speaker 1: when he had never had more than I think twenty
Speaker 1: eight in a single season something like that. What happens
Speaker 1: to him, Well, how transpired that? I can't wait for
Speaker 1: the thirty for thirty on that one. But he ends
Speaker 1: up in du all and so that's where he is.
Speaker 1: And now it's Josh Grizzard. He gets elevated from passing
Speaker 1: game coordinator. He's been in the NFL since twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: so he's not a newbie to this. And he's a
Speaker 1: smart dude. He went to Yale, he went to my
Speaker 1: brothers alma mater. So he's probably gonna bring that awesome
Speaker 1: Ivy League offense into the next generation.
Speaker 2: Of NFL football.
Speaker 1: But they need to just keep hitting on those guys
Speaker 1: so they can keep with the consistency. Right, it's the
Speaker 1: Bucks that keep. We could talk about the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: and what the Carolina Panthers are trying to do, and
Speaker 1: if the Saints can ever get out from their financial woes.
Speaker 1: The Bucks just keep winning NFC South Division titles and
Speaker 1: giving us entertaining games in the playoffs and we move
Speaker 1: on from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everybody's chasing the Bucks. And I believe
Speaker 3: in Todd Bowles if he's an head coach, if he
Speaker 3: is the head coach, I believe in his defense. I
Speaker 3: believe in the ability to get that defense right if
Speaker 3: you continue to answer more, add some more experience. So
Speaker 3: there it was a very young defense. Those young guys
Speaker 3: are gonna get more experience and they'll make other moves
Speaker 3: as well. So keep hitting on those ocs. That is
Speaker 3: the best. It's one of the best things that Todd
Speaker 3: Bose has done as head coach. And I'm sure Bruce
Speaker 3: arians is kind of helping up top as well, trying
Speaker 3: to find these guys and promote these guys as well too.
Speaker 3: So a lot of a lot of respect for the Bucks.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what they do.
Speaker 2: All Right, Green Bay Packers, what do you got.
Speaker 3: Go in the next season where the media is saying
Speaker 3: you should win the NFC. That's the type of offseason
Speaker 3: I want the Packers to have. Doesn't even have to
Speaker 3: be overtly sexy, but they've had the youngest team in
Speaker 3: the NFL for the last couple of years, two years,
Speaker 3: and I think it's by far. Yet they've competed and
Speaker 3: they've gotten close, and I think some injuries and just
Speaker 3: bad timing of stuff happening this year, you know, derailed
Speaker 3: them against the Eagles and they did not have a
Speaker 3: good game. But that I think the Packers' goal should
Speaker 3: be to go into next year where you know, we're
Speaker 3: here in August and we're like, you know, oh, who's
Speaker 3: your who's your pick for the Super Bowl? Or you know,
Speaker 3: who's your pick for a team that's maybe going to
Speaker 3: even win the NFC North and go far and be
Speaker 3: the number one seed. You know, the fact that people
Speaker 3: don't like to pick repeat winners in you know, for
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, so people don't want to pick the
Speaker 3: Eagles again to repeat the Lions. They may lose some people,
Speaker 3: They lost Ben Johnson, they lost their O C N
Speaker 3: d C. So maybe people are going to want to
Speaker 3: pick the Lions to take a step back. We don't
Speaker 3: know what the future for the for the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 3: and that quarterback position is Matthew Stafford and the Rams,
Speaker 3: you know, team may move off there. So I think
Speaker 3: the Packers should want to have an offseason where the
Speaker 3: media is saying you should win the NFC next year. Clearly,
Speaker 3: and obviously, if.
Speaker 1: I were one of the and I hate even putting
Speaker 1: this in the universe, but since it's the biggest topic
Speaker 1: we've got going along with Matthew Stafford, I would go
Speaker 1: make a play for Miles Garrett if I were the Packers. Yes,
Speaker 1: they've got the cap space to extend him. Uh if
Speaker 1: they so win, They've got their quarterback locked up, They've got.
Speaker 2: A ton of talent.
Speaker 1: I actually think that they would match up very, very
Speaker 1: well with what the Browns would look for, which would
Speaker 1: include a player or two, because the Packers have some
Speaker 1: guys and they're not going to be able to resign
Speaker 1: all of them, right, So I think that there would
Speaker 1: be some guys that the Browns would be interested if
Speaker 1: they end up trading Miles Garrett. And I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were my Super Bowl winner a year ago.
Speaker 1: Predictive that didn't exactly come to fruition, yep, but at
Speaker 1: least my team made the playoffs, right.
Speaker 3: Come on, I may still pick the Bengals next year.
Speaker 1: No, all right, we got the Minnesota Vikings up next.
Speaker 1: All right, I want to make sure that I send
Speaker 1: cases and cases and cases of hewel to JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: because the last time I saw him, he was wandering
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. I want to say it was during
Speaker 1: the game. There was some game late in the season
Speaker 1: where we finally say McCarthy and he looked like he
Speaker 1: was about one hundred and fifty pounds. You know, I
Speaker 1: get it, the guy missed the season with a knee injury,
Speaker 1: but he looked like he was playing freshman football in
Speaker 1: high school. And I was like, dude, if you're going
Speaker 1: to be an NFL quarterback, muscle up.
Speaker 2: He should be having sixty hewls a day.
Speaker 1: Go get your body right because you are going to
Speaker 1: be the quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings. Sam Donald, let's
Speaker 1: not listen to all these outside that, Well you have
Speaker 1: to extend.
Speaker 2: No, you don't.
Speaker 1: Well you have to franchise Sam, No, you don't. We
Speaker 1: saw exactly what Sam Donald was all about when the
Speaker 1: brightest lights were on at the end of the season
Speaker 1: against the Lions. I think it was the Lions game
Speaker 1: that I saw McCarthy on the sidelines.
Speaker 2: All those important throws in the red zone.
Speaker 1: He missed every single one, and then in the playoffs
Speaker 1: against the Rams in a game out in Arizona, he
Speaker 1: was horrible as well. Sam Donald, awesome, go get your money.
Speaker 1: I am happy for you. Go be the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Because JJ McCarthy was drafted, they moved up
Speaker 1: a space to go get him.
Speaker 2: When he was injured for the year.
Speaker 1: It was during the preseason, Kevin O'Connell came out and said,
Speaker 1: our fan base and everybody should be excited. We've got
Speaker 1: our young franchise quarterback in the building. There you go,
Speaker 1: it's that simple. Just come to that realization. That's all
Speaker 1: your off season needs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing where they didn't just draft JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3: They traded up for him, and I very much think
Speaker 3: they were willing to trade up again because they had
Speaker 3: that second first round pick in Dallas Turner sitting. You
Speaker 3: know that they wind up taking Dallas Turner with they
Speaker 3: had that sitting there just in case a team like
Speaker 3: the Giants or you know, a team that was ahead
Speaker 3: of them maybe wanted to take McCarthy. I think they
Speaker 3: were willing to trade up again to get JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3: So I think they had so much conviction behind that
Speaker 3: draft pick and behind that selection, especially with the team
Speaker 3: that they have. I right, like they that's what they
Speaker 3: should do as an organization. If you believe in jjm McCarthy,
Speaker 3: this is what you should do. But still I have
Speaker 3: I have the that franchise tag is still hovering over
Speaker 3: your head that it's it's just a one year deal.
Speaker 3: They have the money to do it. They could franchise
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold and still make other moves in free agency,
Speaker 3: I think, and still upgrade that team if they really,
Speaker 3: if they really wanted to. But believe in your process,
Speaker 3: believe in what you do, let JJ play. I would
Speaker 3: like to see that.
Speaker 2: Four more teams to go.
Speaker 1: You are up next with the Rams, whom we've already
Speaker 1: talked significantly about.
Speaker 2: So what do you have?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, don't let our love start slipping away,
Speaker 3: And that's the Vince Gill song where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you have a good thing going. And we talked about
Speaker 3: how close they've been the last two years. They they
Speaker 3: play these juggernaut teams that if you look at the
Speaker 3: Lions roster on paper, if you look at the Eagles
Speaker 3: roster on paper, these rosters and these teams shouldn't be
Speaker 3: competing with each other. But you have Sean mcvagh, you
Speaker 3: have Matthew Stafford, you have some of the young stars
Speaker 3: like a Pukinakua Cooper Cup was still around, and then
Speaker 3: the young emerging front four on the defense. Why wouldn't
Speaker 3: you want to kind of expand upon that, even if
Speaker 3: it's responsibly like, all right, let's continue to draft. Well,
Speaker 3: we don't even need to go out and spend money.
Speaker 3: Let's give Stafford, you know, his money, let's keep him happy,
Speaker 3: but continue to just do what we're doing. I don't
Speaker 3: know why you wouldn't want to necessarily do that. But
Speaker 3: the Rams typically like to stay maybe a year or
Speaker 3: two ahead of the stuff. Maybe they have a QB plan.
Speaker 3: Maybe that QB plan is is Sam Darnold. But do
Speaker 3: not throw Jimmy Garoppolo at my face. Do not do
Speaker 3: that to Rams fans. Don't let our love start slipping away.
Speaker 3: Why would you want to lose the momentum that you've
Speaker 3: built over the last two years if you're the Rams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of heat on that organization
Speaker 1: if that's the direction they go Detroit Lions. Well, the
Speaker 1: biggest hope for them is that they turn into the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles of twenty twenty four without being the Eagles
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three. So follow me along here Momentarily.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Two, Philly lost to Kana City and the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They then lost their two coordinators, right, Steichen went to
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and Gannon went out to Arizona. They replaced them
Speaker 1: offensively and defensively with Brian Johnson and Seantacai, and those
Speaker 1: were nightmare moves. Just not good enough either side of
Speaker 1: the football. In fact, Decide was so bad they brought
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia down kind of like two thirds of the
Speaker 1: way through the year to help clean it up, and
Speaker 1: it became even a more horrible mess. They ended up
Speaker 1: losing all those games down the stretch and getting blown
Speaker 1: out in Tampa in the postseason. They then brought in
Speaker 1: what Kellen Warre on offense, Vic Fangio on defense, and
Speaker 1: who was kissing the Lombardi this year, none other than
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. You fast forward to the Lions situation here.
Speaker 1: They've just had two great seasons, right, they were disappointed
Speaker 1: with how things ended last year in the divisional round
Speaker 1: at home against Washington with all those turnovers. But now
Speaker 1: they've got turnover on the coaching staff. Ben Johnson goes
Speaker 1: to Chicago, Aaron Glenn goes to the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: So you've got to make sure that John Morton, who
Speaker 1: is a new offensive coordinator in Kelvin Shepard who is
Speaker 1: the new defensive coordinator, aren't like the Philly dudes in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, where they're both gonna be won and done.
Speaker 1: Let's keep the consistency rowing, Let's keep the good vibes going.
Speaker 1: I think it is a true test, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure that these coordinators hit and stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, they're good. They're pretty good, those Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna get better. And that's the messed up part.
Speaker 3: They're going to get better.
Speaker 2: The Washington Commanders. Last one for you.
Speaker 3: Ah, you know Haul and Oates right now you're talking.
Speaker 3: I talked about, don't let our love starts slipping away
Speaker 3: with skill. How about bring back that love and feeling
Speaker 3: for the Washington Commanders. Here's what I mean. Coming from
Speaker 3: a team a little different in twenty twenty two, that
Speaker 3: made a little bit of a playoff run, won a
Speaker 3: playoff game, got into the playoffs, and think at all,
Speaker 3: we're just gonna do it again. We're gonna get better
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two New York Football Giants. Nobody expected us
Speaker 3: to be here, and then it didn't happen. Now I
Speaker 3: do not expect that same fall for the Washington Commanders,
Speaker 3: But everybody that's just putting it in pen putting it
Speaker 3: in pen, not even pencil, that the Commanders are going
Speaker 3: to get better. And you even dropped the line, and
Speaker 3: I've dropped it before. If this is the worst Commander's
Speaker 3: team that we're going to see in the next five years,
Speaker 3: in the next four years, why I think they had
Speaker 3: a lot of success this year. Rose. They brought in
Speaker 3: guys like zach Ertz, They brought in guys like Dante Fallo,
Speaker 3: they brought in guys like Bobby Wagner, they brought in
Speaker 3: guys like Jeremy Chin who all these guys are free agents,
Speaker 3: and I think what those kind of well, those kind
Speaker 3: of signings did, even though in the moment and on
Speaker 3: this show, I was like, why are they signing these
Speaker 3: veterans and they're kind of backloading some of these deals
Speaker 3: It's like, this is a team that's rebuilding. It should
Speaker 3: it should be building through the draft. But what I
Speaker 3: think those signings did is it provided leadership. It provided
Speaker 3: a culture that dan Quinn, which was trying to set
Speaker 3: up top and it was guys like Wagner, like Dante
Speaker 3: Fowler who's been with him previous, that they get, They
Speaker 3: get what Quinn was trying to establish, and they get
Speaker 3: what he's trying to be about. Even tyle biatis on
Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball, kind of knew about
Speaker 3: dan Quinn from Dallas, right. So that's the type of
Speaker 3: loving feeling that I'm talking about, maybe more difficult and
Speaker 3: is easier said than done to replicate. Earth is a
Speaker 3: free agent, fouls, free agent winers of free agent. Jeremy
Speaker 3: Chin's a free agent. So those are a lot of starters.
Speaker 3: Some of those key veterans that are free agents you
Speaker 3: can look to upgrade through the draft and they may
Speaker 3: be better on paper, but in terms of veteran leadership
Speaker 3: and being a locker room presence, are those guys going
Speaker 3: to bring the same level of I guess I'll just
Speaker 3: use the same word leadership as those guys did. It's
Speaker 3: a tough thing to replicate, tough thing to replicate year
Speaker 3: after year.
Speaker 1: Well, Washington is in great shape, right. They've got their
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, who I think is going to be the
Speaker 1: measuring stick of quarterbacks in the NFC over the next decade.
Speaker 1: I think he's that good. And they've got the third
Speaker 1: most cap space in the NFL. Only the Patriots and Raiders,
Speaker 1: two teams that are kind of wallowing in negativity all
Speaker 1: over the place, have more.
Speaker 2: So Washington pointed in the right direction.
Speaker 1: They've got the quarterback, they've got the cap space for
Speaker 1: either hanging on to guys who or even upgrading. So
Speaker 1: they're in good shape. I love where they are and
Speaker 1: I think they're easy to root for, which is something
Speaker 1: we haven't said for that organization, primarily because of ownership
Speaker 1: prior to Josh Harrison his crew taken over. And finally,
Speaker 1: we're going to focus on the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: Now you talk about a team that's in great shape, right.
Speaker 1: They've paid their quarterback, they've paid their receivers, they've paid
Speaker 1: most of their offensive line. I know Makai Becton's a
Speaker 1: free agent, but that's okay. We could fill that spot
Speaker 1: if need be. So we're looking at the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the football, and I think most people would focus
Speaker 1: on the edge position.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Josh Sweat was a monster in the Super Bowl. Brandon
Speaker 1: Graham is most likely retiring. Milton Williams played great in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and is a great rotational piece around there.
Speaker 1: I would say how he pay attention to the off
Speaker 1: ball linebacker of Zach Bond, who also could rush the
Speaker 1: passer from where he was. You know, a guy who
Speaker 1: was brought in from New Orleans and it barely did
Speaker 1: anything on the transaction wire.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But when you look at what happened with Philadelphia in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three, what was the position defensively that
Speaker 1: really let them down? It was linebacker. They were a mess,
Speaker 1: and then this year it was the totally the other
Speaker 1: side of things. So make sure that you take care
Speaker 1: of Zach Bond. He's going to want to strike it rich.
Speaker 1: He even talked about that after the parade that I
Speaker 1: can't what he would free agency has in store.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let him get out the door. I just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Particularly with the injury to Nakobe Dean, we don't know
Speaker 1: how healthy he's going to be. Coming back. Orren Bergs
Speaker 1: played very well once Dean was sidelined. He too, is
Speaker 1: a free agent. Make sure he'd take care of Sackbond.
Speaker 1: Other than that, you're in such good shape right now.
Speaker 2: I just crazy.
Speaker 1: I feel great about where this organization is. There aren't
Speaker 1: a ton of question marks.
Speaker 3: Man, what a crime have an All Pro linebacker? You're
Speaker 3: paying one million dollars too, and uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: Roll Kwan Smith's getting twenty million, Fred Warner getting nineteen,
Speaker 3: Tremade Edmunds getting eighteen million. Then there's a little bit
Speaker 3: of a drop off to Matt Mlano, who's getting fourteen
Speaker 3: point one million a year. That's where I think Zach
Speaker 3: Bourn is gonna wind up fitting in. I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be between the fourteen to eighteen range. It may
Speaker 3: even push Tremade Edmunds a little bit because you get
Speaker 3: you know, Zach Bown could sit there and say I'm
Speaker 3: better than I'm better than Tremade Edmunds. But yeah, you're
Speaker 3: not touching Roe kwand Smith and Fred Warner. But what
Speaker 3: a jump in pay raise man to get in one
Speaker 3: million a year and now we're getting fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Eagles have a little bit of cap space.
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're in the bottom half, right around
Speaker 1: twenty million or so. But you know, you can always
Speaker 1: make numbers work. Restructure.
Speaker 2: They're like this.
Speaker 3: They're like the Saints. They you know, Jalen Hurts is
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty nine has a ninety million dollar cap
Speaker 3: hit and blah blah blah blah blahh they manipulate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by then the cap might be three d and
Speaker 1: fifty million. Who knows, keeps going up. Good for them,
Speaker 1: good for the health of the league. All Right, this
Speaker 1: was a fun exercise. We've covered all thirty two teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL. If they just listen to us, everybody
Speaker 1: is going to be either nine to eight and eight
Speaker 1: nine next year because we have perfected the formula.
Speaker 2: Uh, Okay, when you go down to Bobby's wedding.
Speaker 3: I'm going on Saturday, going on Saturday, and and I'm
Speaker 3: coming up coming back up on Monday, so it'll be
Speaker 3: a it'll be a grand old time.
Speaker 2: Okay, this will be exciting for you, right.
Speaker 3: Doing the YMCA and I and Rappaport. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Uh, we'll give Bobby and his bride a wedding gift
Speaker 1: right now. The Stafford news will not come out until
Speaker 1: after he gets Is he going directly on his honeymoon?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know what they're I don't know what
Speaker 3: they're doing honeymoons.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's enough that talking.
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out. Go have a great time. Give
Speaker 2: him a big hug for us.
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