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Speaker 1: So if any point, Wolf, everyone starts dozing off and

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Speaker 1: How are we doing, Paul wolf how are we doing? Guys?

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Speaker 1: We're doing good man. Thank you, David, really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: nothing of the sort. You know, Aaron Rodgers. You gotta

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Speaker 1: So we need to get Aaron Rodgers and boll Walden together.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the conclusion there. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: isn't that right, Dave? Yeah, we had mckel last week

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Speaker 1: have to find another guy. They can do that, and

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Speaker 1: that's either in free agency or through the draft. You know,

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Speaker 1: getting somebody high that can be a weapon. I mean

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Speaker 1: tight ends you now are basically like receivers. Can you

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Speaker 1: find that guy that's a great blocker. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back to your guys point on Marco Wilson,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I put the defensive line as the

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Speaker 1: biggest area of need for me, because if your defensive

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Speaker 1: line is better, if you're getting more push up the middle,

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Speaker 1: if you're getting consistent pressure off the edge, if you're

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Speaker 1: stopping the run up front, your corners are automatically better.

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Speaker 1: So yes, they need to upgrade. They need somebody. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure Marca Wilson can't be a number one or

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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy can't be a number one there, They're just

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Speaker 1: their numbers weren't as good the second half of the

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Speaker 1: season because overall the team wasn't as good. So and

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Speaker 1: I include you know what I say, defensive line, I

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Speaker 1: include outside linebacker that you know, because those guys are

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Speaker 1: standing up, but they're on the line the entire game,

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Speaker 1: so you know. The Chandler Jones factor to me is

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Speaker 1: if okay, if you don't bring him back what's the domino?

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Speaker 1: Who's your number one guy there? And if it's not

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, then then who is it? Are you prepared?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to pay somebody and those those guys

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Speaker 1: are expensive, but you know there is a risk with

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones at this age to give him that kind

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Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, he's going to be thirty two this season.

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Speaker 1: And if he isn't in the fold and you don't

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Speaker 1: get a guy in free agency because it's just too

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Speaker 1: darn expensive, and then is that too obvious come draft time,

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Speaker 1: that's your and then teams jump you in the draft

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Speaker 1: order if there is a viable edge rusher when it

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Speaker 1: comes your turn to pick. So and as far as

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Speaker 1: marcol Wilson, I'm with you guys. You know, Christian Kirk

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Speaker 1: told us something towards the end of the season on

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Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, and it was, you know what,

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Speaker 1: when Marco Wilson did get beat, it's not like he

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Speaker 1: got roasted. He was competitive all the way through most

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Speaker 1: of the time. So you know, maybe it's just making

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Speaker 1: that jump from year one to year two and he

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Speaker 1: is a viable number two eventually, maybe even a number

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Speaker 1: one corner. In fact, that will be the question we

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Speaker 1: come back, which player do you think will make a

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Speaker 1: jump next season? Which player needs to make that jump

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals to make a corresponding leap. It is

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Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage with Dave pass all presented by

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Speaker 1: Satan Pord to Gilbert. We are Satan Pord. It's a

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Speaker 1: fleet flinker pitching it back to Laurence. He's in troubles.

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Speaker 1: Jump bump pass picked up there side by Murphy at

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Speaker 1: the thirty running it back to the left of the

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Speaker 1: twenty ten Fida fire Murphy after a horrible mistake by

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Speaker 1: the rookie with a pick six Henry off the left

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Speaker 1: side and he's dumped immediately, and it's Isaiah Simmons knifing

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Speaker 1: into the backfield to take him down. I want to

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Speaker 1: play by Simmons. You want to talk about playing downhill.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons coming from the backside, making a play on

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Speaker 1: King Henry's baby nigh trafficks on the defensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. For the ears of a Cardinals. We are

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Speaker 1: talking with the collective voice stairs and a Cardinals day

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Speaker 1: patch and Ron Wolfley here on the Big Red Rage.

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Speaker 1: Paully pencil Neck over here bringing you combine notes and knowledge.

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Speaker 1: You guys, speaking of Isaiah Simmons, you realize that back

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Speaker 1: in the day, with the combines starting next weekday, that

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons when he was at his combine ran a

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Speaker 1: faster forty yard dash than the all time greatest return

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Speaker 1: man in the history of the NFL, Debon Hester. That

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons ran a four three nine, and Devin Hester

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Speaker 1: at his combine once out of time ran a four

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Speaker 1: four three. So it's just then. Conversely, you realize Cooper Cup,

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Speaker 1: who just won the Triple Crown of receiving and a

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Speaker 1: ring by the way, and he was what four for

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Speaker 1: four with Matthew Stafford on the game winning Super Bowl drive,

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Speaker 1: ran the fourth slowest forty yard dash over the last

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Speaker 1: ten NFL drafts of any receiver taken in the top

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Speaker 1: three rounds. A four six two by Cooper Cup. And

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Speaker 1: look at it right now. Is there a better receiver

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Speaker 1: on the planet than Cooper Cup? Right now? Paul I

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Speaker 1: ran a four or five eight and a four or

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Speaker 1: five nine at the combine just for Walford, David, It's

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Speaker 1: in the books. Can you imagine that right there? He

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Speaker 1: had to Honestly, it just goes to show you if

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Speaker 1: you run routes well and know the road tree and

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Speaker 1: in no coverage and know how to beat it, um,

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Speaker 1: you can do well in this league, can't you well? Voice?

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Speaker 1: I just finished watching Man in the Arena. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you guys have seen that, Tom Brady. I

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Speaker 1: just watched the last episode and the big probably the

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Speaker 1: the crux of the issue with the Patriots was finding

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Speaker 1: that receiver that go to guy after Welker and after

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Speaker 1: Randy Moss and guess who it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: guy they drafted I think it was like two hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirtieth Julian Edelman who ended up winning Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 1: He was Cooper Cup before Cooper Cup. Right, wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good stuff. That's good stuff. All right? So look

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Speaker 1: who was that guy for the Cardinals this coming season?

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Speaker 1: Who's that guy not named Kyler Murray that needs to

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Speaker 1: take the next step that you expect to that? I mean, Wolf,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, name name let it please, please, please, please

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Speaker 1: please please. Saven Coin can't argue with that. I'd be

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Speaker 1: honestly right now, I just want to see Zaven Collins

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Speaker 1: step up. This is going to be great for him.

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Speaker 1: He's going to have the entire offseason. He's actually going

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Speaker 1: to be able to work out at the facility. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he's going to be able to watch tape. He's going

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Speaker 1: to be able to go through the process. He's going

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Speaker 1: to be able to just absorb everything that there is

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Speaker 1: about the National Football League. He's going to be able

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Speaker 1: to study tape. He's going to totally be able to

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Speaker 1: get the checks down in his brain. He's going to

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Speaker 1: absorb this defense and then he's gonna go on and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna take that body. He's going to stick that

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Speaker 1: body on somebody. And if you tell me that happens

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Speaker 1: right there, that's the one guy. I'll start with Zaven Collins, Dave,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? I'll start with Rondale Moore, And

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Speaker 1: I think Wolf made a good point on you know,

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Speaker 1: Zaven Collins, and we talked in the first segment that

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Speaker 1: I was on about you know, the guys in the

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Speaker 1: back end that they need to step up and grow.

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Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore. We saw flashes glimpses of this guy being electric.

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Speaker 1: And again, I don't know what happen the second half

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Speaker 1: of the season, and I think a lot of it

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Speaker 1: was just the trickle down from d hop not being there.

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Speaker 1: But I think if he steps up and he becomes

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Speaker 1: a legit number two and you're telling me DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: is fully healthy, I think the Cardinals have a chance

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Speaker 1: to take that next step because Rondel Moore fits the

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Speaker 1: mold of I shouldn't say today's receiver because there are

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Speaker 1: plenty of guys like DK Metcap that still look like

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Speaker 1: the guys that you know, we're you know, the top

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Speaker 1: five picks, like Calvin Johnson, but you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys today are the smaller guy, the guy that's

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Speaker 1: like Cooper Cup that kind of works in the slot,

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Speaker 1: that can do different things, that makes the contested catch,

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Speaker 1: that's tough after the catch. I think Rondel Moore has

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Speaker 1: a chance to be that guy well. And Sean Jefferson

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Speaker 1: was our guest at Cardinals Receivers Coach last week and

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Speaker 1: we brought that up, what is the future for Rondell Moore?

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Speaker 1: How much more can you get out of them? And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of who like to compare

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Speaker 1: him to a Tyreek Hill, a poor man's Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 1: and we're not going to go there yet, but Sean

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Speaker 1: Jefferson did say, yes, we can target him downfield like

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Speaker 1: a Tyreek Hill. He does have that rout tree, he

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Speaker 1: does have that pot, but you have to move him outside,

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Speaker 1: right Wolf. I mean, it's that viable. Is that feasible? Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hills scorches a lot of defense from the slot.

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Speaker 1: I mean watch Him'll line up in the slot, He'll

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Speaker 1: run up the field and then all the way across.

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Speaker 1: He'll run not a post, but all the way across

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Speaker 1: the field. And it's one of those areas in which

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and Patrick Mahomes they tear up the league

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Speaker 1: on that route, the crossover corner, if you will, you

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Speaker 1: line up on the opposite side of the field and

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Speaker 1: run the corner. And they do that an awful lot

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Speaker 1: right there, trying to get him open vertically and horizontally.

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Speaker 1: You guys heard me say this last year going into

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Speaker 1: Rondale Moore's rookie season. Man, that kind of speed right there,

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Speaker 1: he's got to beat him over the top. If you

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Speaker 1: tell me that he's beating these guys over the top,

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Speaker 1: He's getting vertical in his routes. And you can throw

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Speaker 1: the ball down the field and he can catch the ball,

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Speaker 1: he can finish and hurt defenses. Man, it would be

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Speaker 1: the best development for the Arizona Cardinals offense, not the

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Speaker 1: horizontal route, the vertical rounds. Speaking of development, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with a couple of alignement. Zach Allen, who we

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Speaker 1: learned after the year, was playing you know, the bum wheel,

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Speaker 1: and he was dealing with an injury. He had some

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Speaker 1: really standout games. If he can maintain that sort of

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Speaker 1: consistency and be that reliable guy a three technique and

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Speaker 1: more versatile as well up and down that defensive line,

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Speaker 1: that would be huge. And then I'm gonna throw out there,

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Speaker 1: Josh Jones the long term future of Kelvin Beacham. You're

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Speaker 1: already paying big money to DJ Humphrey's fifteen million a year,

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Speaker 1: and guess what his contracts gonna be up after the

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Speaker 1: end of next season. You're gonna have to retain your

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Speaker 1: left tackle. Hit. His vital that you get a young

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Speaker 1: guy in a rookie contract who you could plug and

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Speaker 1: play at that right tackle position. And I think we

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Speaker 1: all learned if nothing else Josh Jones is he's not

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Speaker 1: a guard. I think twenty twenty one proved he's not

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Speaker 1: a guard. He's a tackle. But can he be a

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Speaker 1: guy you can actually put in to the depth charting

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Speaker 1: count on him going forward. Yeah, that is a good

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Speaker 1: I like that, PAULI, Yeah, I like it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you remember when the Cardinals drafted him, they thought, man,

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Speaker 1: we got great value with this kid. We had him

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Speaker 1: as a late first round pick. You got him in

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Speaker 1: the third round. So now it's time for him to

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Speaker 1: play like that. And we saw a couple of games

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Speaker 1: where he did, and then that was about it. And

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Speaker 1: I think we all wondered why he wasn't as good,

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Speaker 1: you know, that last half of the season man as

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Speaker 1: he was when we saw him early in the year. Guys,

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Speaker 1: how many players could we say that about last year?

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Speaker 1: How many players we say that about that played really

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Speaker 1: really well. I think through the first ten, you know,

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Speaker 1: eleven weeks of the season and then all of a sudden, bam.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's seems so consistent. Marco Wilson was somebody

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Speaker 1: we were talking about in the last Beautiful part of

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Speaker 1: the program. Isaiah Simmons. Guys, Isaiah Simmons. I thought there

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Speaker 1: were some people that were pointing to Isaiah Simmons saying

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Speaker 1: he might be the most improved Arizona Cardinal on the

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Speaker 1: team and and Byron Murphy as well was getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of accolades. It was across the board. David, this

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Speaker 1: is the thing that is just so perplexing to me

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Speaker 1: right now. Marco Wilson is a guy that I want

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Speaker 1: to see step up. Isaiah Simmons is a guy that

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Speaker 1: I want to see do that. And let me just

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Speaker 1: say this, my sleeper, Antoine Wesley that I'm serious. I

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Speaker 1: think he could be ray J. Green. Wow. We can't

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Speaker 1: let Dave peshco without a thought on the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: And I just I happen to see some comments earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week from Tim Hasselbeck, brother of Matt Hasselbeck,

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Speaker 1: longtime Seattle Seahawks quarterback. And when Tim Asselback goes on ESPN,

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Speaker 1: I think it was Tuesday morning and he says, and

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Speaker 1: I quote, I think Russell Wilson has played his last

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Speaker 1: down as a Seahawk, And the graphic below him the

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Speaker 1: lower third reads out a quote from earlier from Tim

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Speaker 1: Asselback that Russell Wilson wants out and I think the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks would be happy to move him. Quote end quote

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Russell Wilson perhaps being on the moving

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Speaker 1: out of the NFC West. Oh, I'm sure he wants out,

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Speaker 1: but if you're Seattle, you know you're giving up a

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Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer. You got to make sure that

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Speaker 1: you're getting a legitimate quarterback in return. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to rely on a rookie, meaning I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to trade Russell Wilson for a bunch of first round

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Speaker 1: picks and go you know, three and fourteen this year.

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Speaker 1: So I mean that could obviously change the landscape of

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Speaker 1: the entire NFL if Russell Wilson has traded, especially if

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Speaker 1: it's somewhere else in the NFC San Francisco. I think

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Speaker 1: we saw that, you know, Jimmy G right now at

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Speaker 1: least is your best option. That's why I thought they

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Speaker 1: should have drafted Kyle Pitts last year instead of Trey Lance.

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Speaker 1: I still don't think Jimmy g is good enough to

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Speaker 1: get you a Super Bowl, but he's obviously good enough

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Speaker 1: to win some playoff games and put you in position.

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Speaker 1: And then the Rams, I think there's the unknown still

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Donald and Sean McVeigh on whether those guys

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Speaker 1: come back and you know, they run it back one

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Speaker 1: more time, and Matthew Stafford too. But you know, the

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Speaker 1: Rams were not the best team in the NFL for

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Speaker 1: most of the season, and they won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So I still think the NFC West, given what I

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Speaker 1: expect how I expect the Cardinals to be next year,

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Speaker 1: I still think you're going to have three of the

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Speaker 1: top nine or ten teams in the entire NFL being

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Speaker 1: in the NFC West and at San Francisco, Arizona in

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Speaker 1: La Paulie, did you say Russell Wilson was going to

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Speaker 1: leave the NFC West? Is that what you said, Paul

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Speaker 1: That's what Tim Hasselbeck said. Do you know what I

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Speaker 1: love Tam right now? Can we make that happen? Tim?

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Speaker 1: Somehow someway? Can we get Russell Wilson out of the

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Speaker 1: NFC West. That's fine. I got no problem with that

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Speaker 1: in terms of San Francisco and who might actually be

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Speaker 1: a good fit there. Boy, there's a lot of smoke

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Speaker 1: out there about Carson Wentz right now, isn't there. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of smoke, and a lot of it seems

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Speaker 1: pretty logical. I think that is a transition quarterback. If ever,

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Speaker 1: there was a transition quarterback and a guy that can

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Speaker 1: do both the old and the new offensive schemes that

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Speaker 1: I think Kyle Shanahan wants to blend, and then maybe

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have to go to Trey Lance immediately. You

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Speaker 1: know who wants that gig as a transition quarterback with

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Speaker 1: the Niners. Tom Brady. Tom Brady, you can't tell me

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Speaker 1: doesn't want that gig and go back to his hometown team.

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Speaker 1: He was sitting in the stands for the catch by

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Speaker 1: Dwight Clark from Joe Montana in the eighty one NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship Game win against the Cowboys. You can't tell me

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Speaker 1: that Tom Brady wouldn't want to be that transition guy

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Speaker 1: back to Niners. Tommy, I'm telling you he's done, Paul.

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Speaker 1: He's not retired, Paul. Not only is Russell Wilson not

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Speaker 1: leaving this season. I'm with Dave. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: could see Tom Brady with a ford of Niners in

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Speaker 1: this division. You want the sec of the NFL. It's

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Speaker 1: coming before we let David got buddle. Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: tell me you think Tom Brady's coming back to I

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Speaker 1: think it's a viable possibility. I do. I think it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I do, I do. I think it's what Yeah, So wait,

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Speaker 1: a minute. Tom Brady is literally going to use his

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Speaker 1: family is the reason why he wants to retire and

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Speaker 1: then go back on it. We've seen We've seen guys

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Speaker 1: make a decision in other sports or as coaches and

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Speaker 1: then five months, six months later change their mind. I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about it. It's still late February training camps a

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Speaker 1: long way off. If Tom Brady August versus I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: play and there's and they find a place for him

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Speaker 1: to play, and where is he gonna play and which

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Speaker 1: he play with? I could definitely see that out. Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness. I mean, Brett Farbe did it like four

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Speaker 1: off seasons in a role he did. Brett Farbe never

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Speaker 1: used his family as to why he was going to retire.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady did his kids. All he has to do is,

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Speaker 1: like Dave said, four months from now, I changed my mind,

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Speaker 1: come back the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Why you get away

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Speaker 1: from Bruce Arians, Why would you want to go somewhere else?

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Speaker 1: If you're Tom Brady, you've you've been to the Bill

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Speaker 1: Bella checks up the world. Well, there's one box he

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Speaker 1: hasn't checked in his career walk and that's to play

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Speaker 1: for the team he grew up rooting for him. Well

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Speaker 1: he's retired. By the way day, Missus Novella checking way

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Speaker 1: go watch man in the arena. I think he misses

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Speaker 1: coach and that type of admir We gotta let Dave

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Speaker 1: pashco He's got to mentally prepare for a gig tomorrow

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Speaker 1: night with Bill Walton. So all the best with that, Dave,

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Speaker 1: all right, David, all right, all right, we'll come back.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into this and we'll get into Rondale Moore

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Speaker 1: Wilson number one kick for a guy to approve next year.

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Speaker 1: Next on the Big Red Rage, Maurice Drink drop back

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Speaker 1: in trouble, flushed out, moving left, fires it Dan left

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Speaker 1: side a jump ball. It's caught on the near sideline,

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Speaker 1: but they say out of bounds. Boy, rondel More, just

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Speaker 1: a heck of a catch, man, he was interfered with.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they didn't call tass interference. Boy

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Speaker 1: did he catch it? The wolf? The ruling on the

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Speaker 1: field has been changed to a catch pull. It takes

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Speaker 1: it out. They team for ruling on the field to

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Speaker 1: a catch. What an incredible where I mean, you got it?

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Speaker 1: That's as good as it gets. I cannot even believe

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Speaker 1: what I just saw on replay. They got some filthy

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Speaker 1: dudes naked place. I mean, Rondelle Moore that catch. That

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Speaker 1: is one of the sickest plays I have seen. And

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a rookie wide receiver. That toe tap

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Speaker 1: against the That was the degree of difficulty on that.

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Speaker 1: And look, well, if you spent a decade in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you know the same players, no players. And it was

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Speaker 1: in training camp. It was about ten days, two weeks

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Speaker 1: into training camp, and it happened more than once. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking with a veteran, a respect a guy on the team,

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Speaker 1: and he would interrupt the conversation and nod towards Rondelle Morey.

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Speaker 1: Go see that kid, he can be he can be special.

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Speaker 1: That already that kid, he nods that that kid can play.

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Speaker 1: So players they identified it early in training camp. He's

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Speaker 1: got all the potential. The question is, okay, can he

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Speaker 1: get traction? And then he had some injuries, that ankle

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Speaker 1: injury that nagged him the end of this season, sort

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Speaker 1: of like it did the end of his college career.

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Speaker 1: We get that, but then we both heard Shaun Jefferson

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Speaker 1: and everyone heard him on the Big Red Rage last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious as to your takeaways because it sounds like,

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Speaker 1: according to Shaun Jefferson, they've already had that discussion about

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Speaker 1: him maybe moving outside more, being down field more, and

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Speaker 1: it sounds like his receiver coach definitely has confidence he

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Speaker 1: can take that step. Yeah, there's no doubt. Poly and

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Speaker 1: Sean Jefferson was also talking about this offseason, how critical

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Speaker 1: it was going to be for Rondel More this offseason

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Speaker 1: and the work he was going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get in out on the field and expanding that route

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Speaker 1: tree and running routes down the field, and how important

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Speaker 1: it was going to be for him to develop that

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Speaker 1: part of his game, not just horizontal but also the

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Speaker 1: vertical part of it. Polly, it's so important. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you can tell me that you can line up

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Speaker 1: Rondell More, I don't care if he's in the slaughter,

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Speaker 1: he is outside and you run him over the top

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Speaker 1: and you got the hop work in the short and

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Speaker 1: intermediate stuff, something that he does very very well. Yeah, boy,

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Speaker 1: that is going to be a nightmare scenario. Throw in

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Speaker 1: one more you need one more wide receiver, Hey, Christian Kirk,

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Speaker 1: Is that a possibility that c Kirk might actually come

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Speaker 1: back and play. I don't know. I think somebody is

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Speaker 1: going to step up and pay Christian Kirk, but Man

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Speaker 1: eleven personnel is going to be a primary personnel group

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Speaker 1: for the Cars. One back, one tight end, three wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: That's when they were at their best through the first

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Speaker 1: seven weeks of the season using that personnel group and

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Speaker 1: rundown situation, and they were shredding the league. Here's Kyle

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Speaker 1: Vannibosh on the Red Sea Report this week when asked

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Speaker 1: about Rondel Moore and his near future. You know, I

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Speaker 1: hate to make player comps, but you envision a Tyreek

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00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Hill type of influence on this offense where he can

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00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: catch a five yard route and take it to the house.

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00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: But if you jump that route, he's going to go

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Speaker 1: deep and he's going to be a threat down the field.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where his progression is going to

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Speaker 1: go because he shows, you know, not quite that type

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00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: of speed of Tyreek Hill, but he shows the similar

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Speaker 1: type of abilities and the awareness and the ability to

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Speaker 1: make people miss and the ability to stick his foot

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Speaker 1: in the ground and gain yards in a hurry. Because

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Speaker 1: what did so many teams do, especially the second half

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00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: of the season they went with those two high safety

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Speaker 1: shell coverage. Looks right. You gotta try and beat those

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00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: coverages for some chunk plays and make him respect that

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00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: and then open everything else up. I know, remember you

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Speaker 1: talking about that wolfing. Yeah, that obviously could be a

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00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: big key Rondale Moore, Yeah, pay, but wait, if they're

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Speaker 1: gonna run those those two high safeties, you gotta run

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Speaker 1: the ball and run down situations. You've got to run

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Speaker 1: the ball. If they're gonna keep those safeties high, you

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00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: gotta do it and then use the power of play

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Speaker 1: action the throwing. By the way, Christian Kirk on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: did you see the picture tweeted out of him on

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Speaker 1: a double date with Bill's quarterback Josh Allen. Yeah, who's

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Speaker 1: good friends with Kyle Allen who was good friends with

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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk because they played high school ball together in

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Speaker 1: Scottsdale then at Texas A and M, and they VOCO

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Speaker 1: were with the same quarterback coach, Jordan Palmer, brother at

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Speaker 1: Carson Balmer. So, Christian Kirk, I hope the Pills don't

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Speaker 1: have enough cap room to sign him, Okay, agreed, Polly Yeah,

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