WEBVTT - Ep. 58 "Saint or Sinner" with Angela Lewis 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:07.080 We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.640 talked back. What's up, y'all, Welcome to a new episode 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.320 that we talked back. It's your girl a j Hey, y'all, 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.279 Li's me Tim Band. I love y'all so much. How 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.960 y'all doing you on that fake as baby boy? That's 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.720 my southern girl voice. When I used when I go 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:27.680 to like Europe and stuff, they love that ship. I 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:33.800 was like, Hey, y'all, how y'all doing the news? Let 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.720 me in the color free. I was your weekend, y'all. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.920 What did I do this weekend? I feel like, Oh, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:48.000 I went to the Anti Fast. It was Monica Eskate 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.800 here is genuine. Uh, you ain't telling me about Agetown. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.360 I had forgot that, me and my sister guy tickets 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.360 and she was like, oh, I'm on my way, and 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.000 I was like, oh, shoot, let me clean what you 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.400 didn't mention the concert? You didn't mention who was gonna 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.600 be there? Yeah? And then who else was on one 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.880 twelve Peaches and Creek Bitch. I was in there getting it. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.759 My throat was sore by the time I left from 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.200 trying to sing with Kenny Birds too. That's all he 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.160 was doing a singer and dancing and singing and drinking. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.480 I had fun, but it was definitely auntie fist. Was it? 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.600 A lot of single aunties in there. It was a 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.640 lot of single aunties and a lot of aunties with 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:28.120 the nigger. Yes, it was a good old Where was it? 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.640 It was at the Spectrum Arena. They packed that bitch too. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.160 I wish I was there. Who all was it again? 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:39.920 It was Monica Escate one twelve, Ace Town in Jinuine. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.399 I'm mad I missed that Januine? Still fine? You think? 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.080 Genuinely fine? He liked n like nine five. He's still 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.520 ninety four fine though, Yeah, ninety four like skin nigga fund. Yeah. Pretty. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.840 He's a good look at man, and he's like he 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.000 seemed like he enjoyed that attention to my boy said, 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.080 he not even thinking no more. He got during escape 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.440 that waver there people set your hands down. He want 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.560 to make sure y'all see him. Shame, but that was 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.160 that was a good time. What about you? I ain't 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:18.239 too much hung out? What a friend? Uh, just dinner 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:23.200 that type of stuff, regular courting, okay, just in case 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:28.919 the nigga is interested in knowing. Yeah, that's all chilling 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.120 out a little bit girl? Why uh? The guy who 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.080 I was out with gets uh email? Well a text 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.399 message first, because he posted his food and I even 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.600 hid my pocketbook in the in the he's something the 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.560 only person say pocketbook. I even hid my purse in 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:49.639 the right because that's where pocketbooks be. We was at 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:59.000 stay girl, I had got like some shrimp and scallop ship. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.320 Oh a big fucking bowl of pasta? Yeah, what is that? 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.360 Why would y'all be selling that? So I did not 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.639 enjoy my food for real. But the naga posted the 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.560 food on his Instagram story and then he gets a 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:19.840 text message that said, um, can I have your email address, sir? 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.720 So he sends the email address to this person via text, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.400 and about two minutes later, the nigga gets a fucking 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.720 invoice to paint this bitch house. She was like, oh 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:35.000 you're buying sho Okay, Well I told you see my 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.840 living room wall? Bitch? You go to invoice? How do 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.840 y'all ask for money? Because I feel like she she 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.240 was a nice try. She must have been already asking 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.080 for that money for a long time or something to 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.960 be like, so see me, what's your email? That's a 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.040 lot of entitlement. Bit because that is not a nice 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.360 way to finesse. And they got the check, she didn't 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.360 get it. I would never do no ship like that. Yeah, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.400 because you gotta be nice and you can't talk to 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.320 me no more of you send that money right. Look, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.560 I was, I was on her side though. I was like, yeah, bitch, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.640 but that is not how you get money at a man. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.960 That's real rude, that's all that's like. You know, I've 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.480 seen people. I think somebody under this to me before. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.600 Just send me a cash at request. No, you need 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.560 to pick up the phone and call me and ask 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.479 me for my fucking money, just to me sending me 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.680 no God to have cash request. Yeah, women do not 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:34.400 aggressively asking for money. I'm very sweet. Hey baby, how's 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:41.520 your day going. Did you eat yet? Okay, honey, did 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:46.200 you eat? Yeah? Let me hang up your coach, coach, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.120 your cote, nigga and what else? What else? I'm gonna 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.400 do it all your pockets and I'll be nice and 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.120 I don't rub your shoulders and massage your temples and 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.440 ship make you a drink you want to drink? Would 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:07.119 you like a beverage? And then I'm a fun ah bang, 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.800 But you fucking actress, Okay, I remember I told you 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.080 I had the thing. That thing that I wanted to 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.120 do is in two weeks, and can you give me 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.480 four thousand dollars for it? Please? Goddamn this bitch was 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.720 only asked for eight hundred dollars. I told her. I 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.000 told her to test. I told him to test. Text 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.120 her back and say, do I live there? Is that 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:38.680 my house? Yeah? Did he say that? Because she like you, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:43.160 you'd be eating this pussy over here exactly. He said 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.560 he's never been to her house before. Well, shame she 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.640 didn't ask that for no reason. He made her feel 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.360 like she could ask for that. That's how I feel, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.920 And I feel like a woman ain't gonna ask a 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.120 man for money in that way, a man that they respect. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.240 It's like, let me send this to this sympass and 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:04.039 against do and he ain't please nigga exactly, Because that's 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.760 how when I'm ready to get rid of a nigga, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.320 that's what I do. I'll ask for some outlandish amount 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.400 of money and either you can come through or you ain't. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.240 And it's a win either way. Either you're gonna disappear 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.799 or I'm gonna get the money right, but I need 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.920 ten thousand dollars by tomorrow. NULD be like what my 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:26.520 enemies are after me watched I watched it. Now you 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.680 said I'll be watching TV. I watched that ship. I 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.480 could not believe it. And I need you to take 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.080 a credit card out for twenty five thou dollars right now, baby, 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.040 and another one. And you see the last girl how 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.599 she finessed his ass back. Don't clothes, y'all, if y'all, 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:46.480 if y'all haven't seen yes Netflix, yo, the last bit 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.680 got all his naked designer clothes and started. She said 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.600 she's still selling it up until the day of recording, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.279 still selling that on eBay could and she was hitting 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.240 He was hitting her up mad that she had finessed him. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:06.480 You can't get man, that's a psychopath, sociopath, which was 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.240 going between being nice and being mean back and forth 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.800 about them damn clothes. How about finessed these bitches without 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:25.720 my drip home. Yeah, we got my whole uniform over there, bitch, dog, 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.400 I know a bit you got played by nigga like that, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.440 Like when she met the nigga. He obviously was finessing 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.720 somebody else to take care of her, and when her 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.400 time was up, that nigga started running a muck up 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.200 on her checking account. And that's probably to take care 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.200 of the next woman. Like, what is the fucking thought 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.840 process of those type of people, Like you're just a 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.440 whole financial predator out here. That's scary. Yeah, that's scary, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.120 but you ain't gonna get me. Not getting me. I 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.280 got two things for you, baby, I'll make it three. Encouragement, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:03.160 pussy and jokes. That's it. Make you laugh. I've encourage 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.200 you to go, you give it your best shot. And 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:13.840 then I thought it, I'm confused. How the fuck if 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.560 you never yourself went and took out these type of 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.840 credit cards, you never took these type of loans. Obviously 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.960 you can't afford this ship. What kind of dick does 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:28.560 this nigga have? And I'm looking at the women, I'm like, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.920 I like judging them basically, Oh, she ain't that cute, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:37.160 Maybe she has low self esteem. I was doing that, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.160 but no. Still nobody deserves to get finest like that. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.080 But I'm just trying to figure out, because you know, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.160 what should happens to you, you you always got to look within. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.080 But what is it about me? That allowed myself to 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.400 be finessed by this new right. But it was in 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.920 love and he made himself look like he was he 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:59.760 had it like that, but still a millionaire, a billionaire 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:04.160 that was flying private jets I built. The weirdest part 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:09.160 was how his fucking baby mama was someone that testified 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.560 against him before and didn't mention it to the girl. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.880 And now you were part of the finesse. She's not 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:22.839 finesse that they got the whole kid guard your puss, 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.520 his ladies, they are his swindling boys at about three 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:33.920 million point periods. Another tender swindler, Mary J. Blige, husband 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:40.880 can do Isaacs m so y'all. Mary was on the 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:46.319 box Andre Martinez show recently and she was talking about how, um, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.560 you know, she filed for divorce from her ex in 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.240 after she caught him basically taking care of another bit 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:57.839 off her money and she was ordered to pay alimony 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.480 for these two years while he were going you um, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:06.000 you know, the divorce whatever situation. How much was thirty 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.640 thousand dollars a month? Bitch Mary said she had to 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.640 go back on tour to pay that ship. How she 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.720 didn't have money for herself, like she felt like she 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.520 lost her soul in their relationship racks a month. That's 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:24.680 some bullshit. Like, personally, I would have just paid somebody 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:31.040 to knock that. Wait, wait, you can find somebody that 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:45.319 do not condoned violence or murder friars allegedly. No, but ship, 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.480 this happens to men every day when they get a divorce. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.360 They had to pay that money. But you don't do 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.840 that to Mary. Mary is a whole national treasure. You 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.520 don't do that to Mary. Mary j Blige. I know 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.959 he's why her ass at the Super Bowl, like, yeah, 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.560 that's my ex BA, you did a super bowlish it. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:14.400 She passed out because I gotta given listen, that was 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.880 the two years, during the two years that they were 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.120 going through the divorce. She's not paying him no more. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.040 I'd like to think gee, I would definitely would have 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.679 had his ass knocked out. And I'm gonna talk for 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.480 that ship. I know Mary, she's going through that ship. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:35.000 She had came running around like Lorenzo and Jail, Terek 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.120 and Diana fucking running them up. And she gotta give 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:44.800 kid do thirty am what hey? Like she probably should 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.439 have been a mona on that nigger had his ass 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:54.040 hanging for bonds and something. Your damn goodness, City boys 0:11:54.120 --> 0:12:01.320 up for real about three trillion dollars? Do we have 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.880 a batty who talks back? We do, as a matter 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.840 of fact. Let me see y'all. All right, y'all know 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.400 we've been doing for the for Black History Month or 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.160 excuse me, I like what Kanye is saying, Black Future Month? 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.640 All right, we ain't living in the past no more. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:23.640 It's up from here. So this week's batty who talks back, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:30.760 uh is Gwendoline Brooks. Gwendolen Brooks. She's born in Topeka, Kansas, 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.960 and her family was in Chicago when she was Oh, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.520 I'm out of breath. Why did I get out of breath? 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.040 All right? So this week's batty who're talking at the 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:47.280 same time, But we just jumped into that bage like 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.520 this one. You know, you're family. I aren't even moving 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:54.840 around me, and I'm exhausted using my heir to speak. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:02.240 Y'all hit that alright? Sorry? H all right, y'all. So look, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.640 this week's batty who talks back is Gwendolynn Elizabeth Brooks um. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.160 Her and her family moved to Chicago from Topeka, Kansas 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.920 when she was a young girl. She was an American poet, arthur, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:19.080 and teacher. Her work often dealt with personal liberations and 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.960 struggles of ordinary people in her community. She won the 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.320 Polar Surprise for Poetry in May Excuse Me on May first, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:30.280 nineteen fifty for Annie Allen, making her the first African 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.400 American to receive a poet Surprise. Many of brooks works 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.120 display of political consciousness, especially those from the nineteen sixties 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.640 and later, with several of her poems reflecting the civil 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.679 rights activism of that period. So listen. You've heard her 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.400 poems on Kanye's uh Dande album on the song Praise God. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.480 You heard that song and all over TikTok. It goes 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.959 something like this, even if you're not ready for the day, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:11.160 it cannot always be night. Pick a back. So that's 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.840 actually Gwendolynn Brooks, Um, it's a poem. It's called speech 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:19.640 to the Young, all right. Gwendolyn Brooks. A batty who 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:25.560 talks back. Gwendolyn Brooks. Alright, guys, we got Aunt Louis 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.960 from Snowfall on We talked back. Coming up next, y'all. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:35.960 Stay tuned. What's up, y'all? It's your girl. A J 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.440 and We got a super duper special guest on We 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.720 Talked Back this week. Y'all, we got the lovely Angela 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:55.840 Lewis my favorite show, my aunt Louis. Yes, louis mother, wife, actress, dancer. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.280 So tell us about how it's been playing this character 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.960 Louis in season five? What can we expect a little 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:11.800 bit Louie? You know, Louie is always fighting for her power, 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.520 and at the end of the season four she got 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.000 shot and almost died, and so she is really laser 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.280 focused on what it is she needs to do to 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.640 have the life that she wants to have and to 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:29.000 be who she sees herself as being. She's not taking 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:33.600 no for an answer. Um, She's she got a lot 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.000 of fight left in her and she she got a 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.800 lot of money, so she making things happened this year. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.640 So growing up in Detroit, right, You're from Detroit, Michigan. Uh? 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:52.760 Did Angela have a completely different reality from Auntie Louis? Yes? 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:58.720 In that so I'm from Detroit, definitely, from the suburb 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.760 of Detroit. No, not at all. I'm from the East 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:08.440 Side Jefferson and Dick. But having said that, my parents 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:15.000 did a really good job of um protecting me from 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.960 the world and the city and all of the pitfalls 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.680 of it. They just kept me busy. My dad would 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.840 always say, and I don't mind as the devil's workshop. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.400 And he wasn't a religious man, but he believed that. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.720 So I was always in somebody's after school activity, some 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:34.960 summer camp, some performing arts, this and that. Um. My 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.920 parents were very supportive in the things that I was 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.240 interested in, and and that kept me busy and kept 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.400 me out of trouble for the most part. You know, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.840 they you know, I got stories they don't know about, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:54.360 but it definitely it kept me alive and and it 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.120 kept me thriving. Um. We you know I was poor, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.440 but I didn't know it. I didn't know it until 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.200 high school when I started going over my friends houses 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:13.920 like oh oh my Um. But again that's a test 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.080 of it to my parents. You know, we never felt 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.040 like we were without and we felt loved and we 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:25.120 had fun. Um. Yeah. And so where I grew up. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.359 And also a difference between myself and Louie is that 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.240 I had support and Louis did not have support growing up. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.440 You know, she was told no all the time and 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.880 I got a lot of yeses. How didn't I think 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.840 I was in college and and then in New York 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.280 before I started getting a lot of nose. You know, no, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.560 you can't do this, No you can't be that, like 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:52.560 right right? What would you say is your favorite part 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:59.119 of playing Louis that I get to like Louis is 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.000 so strong and I think I'm a strong human being 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.879 a strong woman. But Louis is not afraid. She is 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:12.080 not afraid of anybody, and well, she has her fears, 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:17.639 but she is able to um work around and through 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:23.639 those fears to really get what she wants. And I 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.359 think that that's so admirable. And she's so smart, you know, 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:32.760 she's Louise. She'd be strategizing and she comes up with 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.120 the plans, you know, and I and I take from that. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.359 You know, I knew your character was going to be 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.520 a force to be reckon with from the scene where 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.240 you come out of the room from watching your show 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:49.720 and just start being a bit like I was like, oh, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:55.560 I'm gonna love this character. So there is a intimacy 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:01.080 between you and a female character was hard to play 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:08.040 or as a woman? You mean, I don't think it 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.199 was hard to play in terms of, like, you know, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.880 woman on woman loving. I feel like, um, that's not 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.840 you know, my experience or my preference, but I think, 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:21.800 you know, people should love who they want to love, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.520 and I think that our the way we kind of 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:32.439 choreographed our scenes. I don't as an audience member, I 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.800 don't know how graphic it felt, but it really felt 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:40.879 we um um Judith is the actress's name, Judith, And 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.840 I felt like it was really important to make the 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:51.359 scene beautiful, to um show the beauty between two really 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.800 different generations of black women, which we don't really get 0:19:54.840 --> 0:20:00.520 to see that on TV, you know, And so um, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:04.159 the lusty part of it wasn't so important. It was 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.200 really about connecting. And you know, I had a sheet 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.359 wrapped around me, so that took care of you know, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.399 that takes care of itself. So I hope and I 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.439 think that we were successful in that. So No, it 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.200 wasn't It wasn't difficult in that way, Like I didn't 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:24.639 feel like or anything like that. Now, you didn't say 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.639 that you started. It wasn't until college that you started 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:31.640 getting knows Now, were you ever discouraged by those nose 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:37.760 and how did you overcome that? Um? I mean I 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:43.479 went to University of Michigan and in Detroit, and because 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.920 of the community that I was brought up in, they 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.800 did a good job at like preparing us. And I 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:53.000 don't remember at what age things started, but at the 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.520 very least sixth grade, so like eleven years old. Um, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.520 they did a good job of preparing us or what 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:06.960 could might happen um out in the world once we 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.080 are you know, my school was mostly Detroit is mostly black, 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.600 and so I went to school with all black kids, 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.679 mostly black teachers. We had our Black History Month was 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:23.240 on jail like nobody do it like babu, and so 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.560 you know, I knew that there was a thing of 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:30.080 you know, being the only black person in your class, 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.720 but I had never experienced that until University of Michigan 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.640 and I had a lecture class and this lecture hall 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:40.400 was huge, I mean, like thousand kids easy, and I 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.560 was the only black student in that class, and that 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:54.040 was shocking and um. But still it was just the 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.159 reality of the situation. And like most black people, we 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.320 look at our realities and we keep it moving because 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:02.119 we got lis live, we got things we're trying to do, 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.879 you know, and so um. And also there were only 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.480 two of us in my class I made you in theater, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:13.280 there were two black kids. Um. Two more kind of 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.800 transferred in later, but there were two of us in 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:20.160 my class, and so that was frustrating, and uh could 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:25.919 be discouraging things like um invoiced class, being told that, 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.399 you know, to get rid of my accent, um and 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:34.040 try to sound more flat and American, not white, because 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:39.240 that wouldn't be you know, but flat and American. Um. 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:42.159 And that was right and and and that that was 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:43.639 the only way we were going to get jobs. And 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.600 so it felt like, excuse me, it felt like a um, 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:55.000 needing to remove myself from my culture. And that didn't 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.680 feel good. And so I just really and and also 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:02.919 I never succeeded in that all the way, you know 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.480 what I mean, Like my accent is just my accent. 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:06.960 And then by the time I got into the work 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.439 for us, they were like, wait, what you're doing? Where's 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:15.560 your you know? So right, Um, it was definitely frustrating, 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:21.760 but um uh and and things still are discouraging sometimes, 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.960 but you know, we we we keep on. We do it. Anywore, 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.760 how long have you've been chasing your acting career? Because 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.760 I think when people end up on like big movies, 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:33.160 or big shows. Your viewers oftentimes they think you came 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:37.399 out of nowhere, you know, right, So, Um, yeah, I 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.920 was in New York for thirteen years, um, acting doing 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:48.040 our Broadway plays. Um, just pounding the pavement like every 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.520 other actress, with my side job as a bartender and 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.680 the cocktail waitress. Um, that's what I did. And then 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.200 I moved to l A. And I was here for 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.800 two years being in the pavement, and I was a 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.960 receptionist at a gym and a babysitter for two years 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:11.000 before snowfall came along. So no, it did not happen overnight, 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.760 not at all. So let me ask you this, which 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:20.040 did you prefer theater like off Broadway or actually acting 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.560 in shows like? Which one is more better suited for you? 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:29.320 Do you think? Oh? I like them both for different reasons. Um, 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:35.679 in theater, you really, I mean the deep dives that 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.480 you get to do inside of a character and a 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:43.440 and a journey is really there's no there's nothing like it. Um, 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:49.160 There's nothing like finding ways to keep things fresh after 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:52.119 you've been doing the same thing eight days a week 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.280 for however many weeks, and you still gotta keep it, 0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:57.639 like when that door opens that's the first time that 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:03.040 door opens. Like how do you keep that honest and fresh? Um? 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:07.640 Having said that, you know you make more money on camera, 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:14.320 that's for sure, that's the starter. Um. Because being a 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.240 theater actress, it's no joke, like you know what I mean, 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:21.800 Like you doing the thing that you went to school for, 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.239 the thing that you work your entire life to do, 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.800 Like I didn't have a plan B Like this was it. 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:32.159 I'm gonna be an actress and that's it. And you 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.479 get in a show and you still can't pay your 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.560 rent Like that's hard, Like I was, you know, working 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.680 in a show and then going to my side job 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:44.679 at night, Like that's not it's not fun. Theater actors absolutely, 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.680 hands down should be getting paid more. Um. Having said that, 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.439 as an on camera actress, yes, the money is that 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.080 much better. Um. And I don't mean even just as 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.600 a series regular. I mean, you know, you do you 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:02.200 know a code a co star role, and you're getting 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.479 paid more than you're getting paid you know for that 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.720 week that you worked eight hours a day, you know 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:11.840 what I mean. So there's that, and then there's also 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:16.359 I feel like doing on camera work is the epitome 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.960 of the thing. That I love the most about working 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.040 in theater, which is rehearsal. I love the rehearsal process 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:27.920 where you're you know, with your cast and your director 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.000 and the energy is flowing, that creative energy that makes 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:34.400 all those juices pop up, and you're exploring and finding 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:39.119 new things and and you're listening to your gut on camera. 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:44.080 When you get inspired, you gotta jump on that inspiration 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.399 because you don't get tomorrow, Like, oh that thing, I 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.199 wanted to do that thing, but I got scared, So 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.600 I'm not gonna do it tomorrow. When we get to rehearsal, 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:54.399 I'm gonna do it tomorrow or tomorrow tomorrow show, I'm 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.400 gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. You don't get 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.080