WEBVTT - Post-Game All-Star Podcast 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.400 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:18.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is an exclusive 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:25.680 presentation of Dallas Cowboys breaking News. Football is back, and 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.920 so is the preseason as it's officially underway. Last night, 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.640 Thursday night in Canton, Ohio, the Dallas Cowboys took on 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.720 the Pittsburgh Steelers and fell sixteen, the three to final score. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.479 And we're here in Oxnard, California and the site of 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.640 Cowboys training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by American Airlines, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.319 and we're gonna break it all down for you here 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.680 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Kyle you Oomen's alongside David Hellman, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.159 Mickey Spagnola. We've got Nick Eatman and Rob Phillips coming 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.080 up a little bit later on in the show. But 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.200 you guys get the first take, the first swings at 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.320 it in terms of what you saw last in Canton. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.440 And I'm go ahead and start with Mickey, since you 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.160 were actually on site at Tom Benson Hall of Fame 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.959 Stadium yesterday, what were your first accounts of this twenty 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:18.080 twenty one season. Well, I was reminded of preseason was 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.400 really preseason. Football's back. Everybody I was really looking forward 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.720 to where you were gonna go with. Yeah, that's kind 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.600 was the lead to my column. It's like, oh, so 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.640 that's what we missed last year, right, pretty dull game, 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.960 But you know what, both teams kind of did the 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:38.080 same thing. Very few starters played on either side of 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.880 the ball. I think Pittsburgh had maybe three guys playing 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.880 on offense and defense that were starters. So it was 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.840 kind of what you expected. So I think you have 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.680 to kind of put the thing in context. You throw 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.120 out the score, it really uh doesn't matter, I thought 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.200 from an offensive standpoint. Uh, you know, Garrett Gilbert had 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.000 some nice moments. You know, the protection wasn't the best, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.880 which was one of the worst things I think happened 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.040 with the Cowboys with playing all backups after that second 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:18.960 to series. It reminded me why alternative football leagues don't work, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.000 because there's not enough offensive linemen to go around, and 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.640 there's not enough to go around in the NFL on 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.640 your second and third team. And if the offensive line 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.240 can't block, the quarterback can't operate, and if the quarterback 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.239 can operate, the wide receivers can operate. So I thought 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.839 that was sort of the downfall of the Cowboys. But 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.880 on the bright side, I think Michael Parsons definitely showed 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.560 why the Cowboys selected him with the twelfth pick in 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.400 the draft. And I think you have to remember that 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:55.239 he had not played a game until since late December. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.320 I think it was December twenty eighth in the Cotton 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.880 Bowl of twenty nineteen, and that was his first real game. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.079 And he went out there and I felt like every 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.320 play he was out there, I was writing something down 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:11.000 about him. So, uh he was awfully, awfully good. Um. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.000 And then after that, defensively, it's you know, it's kind 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.360 of hard to pick out other guys. Um. You know, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.000 at times they didn't get much of a pass rush, um, 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.080 but they did kind of stop the run a little bit. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.480 Uh So you know, all in all, probably the absolute 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.480 best thing is is they emerged without an injury. There. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:38.040 It is there, it is Nicky. That's the one. Uh yeah, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.120 I think I think you use some of that thing. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:41.320 Do we have to do the rest of the year. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.400 I don't know. Let's go, let's stand off. Appreciate it. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.880 They got out of it healthy, um, you know, right, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.520 like just thinking about what you just said, Yeah, like 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.280 somewhere through the somewhere halfway through the third quarter, I 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.000 was like, what are we even getting out of watching 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.840 the rest of this? Like it was? It was just messy. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.640 It's hard to evaluate the quarterback other than the fact, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.040 I mean, Ben d Nucci went full shortstop last night. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.760 I feel like we hadn't We haven't been seeing that 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.600 as much out here at camp. I don't know if 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.160 he reverted to that because the protection was bad, or 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.320 maybe just in the adrenaline at the moment, but it 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.360 was hard to evaluate the whole picture with the offensive 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.440 line play being as bad as it was. The same 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.120 can be said on the other side of the ball. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:26.080 I guess my predominant impressions were the guys that did 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.719 get in looked good. Michael Parsons looked pretty good. I thought, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.159 you know, the rookies had a nice showing. Jabril Cox 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.720 got to make some plays in the second half of 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.320 that game. Even you know, Nishan Wright gave up the 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.360 big completion to Chase Claypool. Thought that was a definite pushoff. 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.400 Thought it was fun to see him compete out there. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.440 Lyle Collins probably played six snaps, but it looked like 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.560 they were running right behind him. When he was in there, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.680 he looked good. And nobody's hurt. Yes, nobody's hurt. And 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.800 we're back in Oxnard, which and you think about you 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.680 know they're gonna be practicing what twenty five twenty six 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.120 hours from now, so clean bullet health coming out the 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.920 first preseason game is my big, big takeaway, And Mike 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.920 reemphasized after the game the fact that he had to 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:11.040 regulate snaps in that game knowing that they had a 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.039 practice against the Rams on Saturday. So that's why you 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.080 might have seen some guys come out a lot quicker. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.599 They may use them more in the in the scrimmage, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.520 but yeah, they they wore out that third string office. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.240 I think I think Mike was being judicious with his 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.200 better players, knowing that they need to get some work 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.520 against their Rams. But but I love that like the 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.600 And I'm the guy that's always worried about injuries and 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.920 you don't want anybody to get hurt, But you can't 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.800 afford to be as worried about that with your down 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.680 the line guys. You say, Jabril Cox, you haven't had 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.240 a lot of opportunities in training camp. Get out there 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.680 and be somebody My man get out there and play 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.000 forty snaps or however many he got. And it was 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:52.760 fun to see a lot of those guys get that 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.520 type of action where they didn't need to come out. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.520 I thought we were going to get to see a 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.320 I would imagine a preseason NFL record ninety nine and 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.960 a half yard run by Rico Dowdle. He almost broke it. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.920 A guy got him by by his shoe string and 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.400 they had one other guy. He had one guy. Yeah 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.400 it was it was And he said it afterwards, He goes, yeah, man, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.520 it was ninety nine and a half yarkards because they 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.560 had the false start and they backed him up two inches. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.240 He actually had a good game. He I thought he 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.880 did a really nice job. He was hitting the hole 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.440 if you looked at the other guys that well. And 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:33.159 in sue Sue, I like that. We got to see 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.080 two back and got to see him in a one 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.200 back set, so I might bode well for him. Uh, 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.520 trying to make this this final roster, I I would 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.400 put Rico Dowdle's name on my fifty three in pin 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.320 like a yeah, oh absolutely, I think I mean he 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:50.960 was he made he made it last year. He was 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.640 impressive enough to make it without the preseason. You would 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.719 think he's gonna get a lot of run. He's got juice, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.880 he's a surprisingly like he's an underrated receiver. We've seen 0:06:59.920 --> 0:07:02.080 it out here at camp. He did it yesterday, caught 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.840 a ball or two coming out of the flat, and 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.080 I just think he has differentiated himself from all the 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.960 other backs here not named Zeke or Tony. Yeah, and Shawell, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.679 you know the practice squad is gonna be fifteen guys. Again, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.560 he gives you something as a fullback, as a runner, 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.120 I think, Um, I don't know about the fifty three 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:21.920 for Shawell, but I think both of these guys will 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.320 be in the locker room this Yeah, I oh absolutely. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.600 And you know he had it didn't end up in 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.679 a touchdown on the goal line, but he had a 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.240 big block to clear out a hole and then somebody 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.040 didn't do their job on the offensive line. So I like, 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.000 and I like the way he ran the ball. He 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.080 caught the ball, so yeah, I was. I was impressed 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.200 with him. But dontal you noticed the difference between him 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.320 and those other backs behind him. Yes, they were dancing 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.960 around before they hit the hole. He hit the hole 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.160 the way, you're supposed to five point four yards per carry. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.560 For doubt will he ended up with eight carries for 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.440 forty three yards long of twenty five, which was by 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.080 far the most impressive, maybe the most impressive offensive play 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.520 the Cowboys had over the course of the game. Maybe 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.080 the other one was siwo Ilana Lua's seventeen yard reception. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.920 He had out and wide to the right, got a 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.679 really good block from I believe it was Malite Turner 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.160 on the outside. I have to go back and watch 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.880 the film, but I think both of those guys showed 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.320 that they can be versatile in the backfield. You mentioned 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.760 the offensive line, and sure the protection was definitely not 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:30.400 ideal yesterday. From really all three standpoints, the first, second, 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.040 third string guys quote unquote, I should say rotations of guys. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.320 Out of the six most utilized players last night in 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.080 terms of snap counts, all six were offensive lineman. Matt 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.600 Farniok led the way with sixty two snaps. Second was 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.080 Brandon Night with fifty two, Then Braylon Jones, then Terrence Steele, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.960 Isaac Alacron, and Eric Smith. Those were the top six 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.480 snap getters in the entire game, so they wore those 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.600 guys out. They absolutely did. Now, Michael Parsons got eleven 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:04.920 snaps yesterday to match his jersey number. And of course 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.160 you like you said, the recovery on the fumble in 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.880 the first drive was something that was really encouraging to see. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.920 That was a big confidence boost, I think for a 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.240 rookie in his first defensive drive. But he also made 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.120 three tackles, he had one run stop. He did look impressive. Dave, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.240 what did you see out of Micah Parsons yesterday? That 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.400 really bodes well for the rest of the preseason and 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.079 getting into the regular season. I mean there you can 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.960 take both sides that. Obviously, you know, the fumble recovery 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.800 wasn't really anything that Micah Parsons did. It was a 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.320 bumbled exchange, but by place right time. No, that there's 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.200 something to be said for that, and that's what he's 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.959 done out here, Like he's around the football and people 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.360 always say that's not necessarily a thing that you can coach, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.880 Like instincts are a big part of this. So you know, 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.959 he didn't force the fumble. It wasn't some crazy amazing play, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.640 But you put yourself in those positions, you'll be able 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.040 to make a lot of plays. You know, we were 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.640 talking about this right before we came on. I think 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.720 Pro Football Focus said he was one of the highest 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.600 graded players in the game, the number one defensive graded 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.559 player on the Cowboys roster. Eleven snaps, okay against that, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.080 and it was actually was eleven of thirteen potential snaps 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.319 because he only played those first two series and I 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.880 counted up the plays. I was going to give him thirteen, 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.480 but he did come out. They did some rotation, rotation 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.240 stuff that first series. Point being it's a very small 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:23.480 body of work against a mainly second string Steelers offense. Like, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.520 I think he played very well. I'm very encouraged. And again, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.600 like I think of it as like a staircase, like 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.240 you start at the bottom. OTAs was super encouraging. Another step, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.080 he's you know, mixing and matching his identities. He's doing 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.040 some play calling stuff out here. Another step, he goes 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.000 into his first preseason game. I mean, that's about as 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.080 good as you can expect a first preseason game to 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.480 look if you're only playing eleven snaps. So he just 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.720 and he hasn't taken a step down that I've seen, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.520 Like he's just continually taking steps up. And you know, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.040 I was the guy that wasn't sure what his role 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.679 was going to be or whether he'd be able to 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.720 unseat some of these starters right away. I'm not going 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.240 to bet against him at this point. I mean, like 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.480 I said, he just keeps checking the boxes, keeps working 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.400 his way up, stacking good days. To quote somebody who 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.320 used to work here for a really long on top 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.360 of each other, right, absolutely, and you know, and maybe 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.959 the neatest thing. And I used it in my column 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.360 for this morning. After he got done on the podium 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.400 um doing his interview after the game, he was getting 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.480 ready to walk off and some guy walks up to 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.240 him says, hey, coach T wants to say hi. Well, 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.360 he was talking about Mike Tomlin. Wow. And Mike Tomlin 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.920 came around the corner and looked at him. And you 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.080 know Tomlin when he gets that look in his eye 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.560 and he goes, you do your thing, You keep doing 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.480 your thing, just like he like he knew him, Like 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.120 you know, they had some sort of prior relationship because 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.040 you know Harrisburg, Pennsylvania not far and then Penn's days. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.280 You say, the head coach of the Steelers probably keeps 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.240 a close eye on what's happen. I would imagine he 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.200 knew him and he he and he kind of, you know, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.160 kind of popped him on the on the chest and 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.959 it was like, hey, there's a big compliment from the 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.079 the guy on the other side who might have if 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.960 he had a chance, and I didn't look. I forgot 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.480 where Pittsburgh drafted. They were back. They were back because 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:14.160 they took it was at Claypool. That's right, Harris. That 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.960 was last year. Yeah, and so yeah, he was. He 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.520 was pretty complimentary of what he did. So, yeah, good 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.880 start for a guy. It was funny. They sort of 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.880 asked him and he goes, no, he goes, you know what, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.079 he goes. I wasn't nervous, he goes, I was more 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.719 nervous in college games than I was in this one. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.880 He goes, because the what we do defensively was very 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.160 similar some of the plays we run defensively to what 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.640 I did at Penn State. But again, he hadn't done 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.360 it because he didn't play last year. So to come 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.280 out and play like that and did it in front 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.320 of his family, I think he was pretty He was 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.640 pretty pretty happy, although at halftime when they interviewed him, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.600 he mentioned he made some of the mistakes. Well yeah, okay, fine, 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.000 no one's perfect, right, but boy, uh that that was 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.400 a performance to let everybody know cowboys got something here. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.560 He's impressive and that's you know, it's one. You know, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.960 we're all out here at camp. You see the grainy 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.720 cell phone videos that hit the internet. But again, you know, 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.080 people are excited for this game because it's their first 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.800 look at the team in HD with all the camera 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.480 angles and you're not seeing it the same way through 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.079 my cell phone camera as you are in a game, right, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.559 And I think fans should be excited that first opportunity. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.400 You know, National TV. He showed up for sure, well, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.640 and they did the same thing with him that they've 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.160 been doing out here. He started off when they went 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.080 base four to three the strong side linebacker and then 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:40.400 he started playing the middle linebacker on the nickel rotation. Yeah, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.040 pretty impressive. Yeah, he did definitely look good. We'll ask 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.199 him again whenever Week one comes around. He's got to 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.920 face Tom Brady. If he's nervous for that one, yeah, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.280 we'll ask him. If it's not Tom Benson Hall of 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.160 Fame Stadium and instead it's against the reigning champions then 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.520 maybe he'll be a little nervous. I want to talk 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.880 about the quarterback spot a little bit, and Dave you 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.080 mentioned it right off the top. It was really hard 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.560 to evaluate some of these guys. But I'm gonna start 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.760 with Garrett Gilbert actually looked pretty good overall, nine of 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.400 thirteen passing one hundred and four yards. He didn't have 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.280 a touchdown, didn't have an interception, but he had a 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.040 ninety three point one passer rating. Looked confident. I think 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.800 in the pocket, he looked like an NFL quarterback, somebody 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.800 who could step up in an emergency situation. What were 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.720 your thoughts on what Garrett Gilbert did last night. Yeah, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.560 I think you summed it up really well. I just 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.280 I thought he looked comfortable. I thought he looked poised. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.480 Im you know, I'm not convinced that this is the 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.040 best that the Cowboys can do in terms of finding 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.120 a backup quarterback. I think, you know, I think and 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.080 that I said that last night. I think Garrett Gilbert 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.280 is competing against whatever else is in the league right now. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.160 He is competing against somebody else's guy who's gonna get 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.200 cut or yea. And not to throw out a specific name. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.320 But you know, there are players making too much money 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.160 for their station on the team. Maybe you talk about trades, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.240 maybe you talk about being roster casualties. That's his competition, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.240 because I really I think he is clear cut much 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.680 better than the other two guys on this team. I thought, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.200 you know, Cooper Rush wasn't he wasn't terrible. He had 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.480 some really nice throws. His throwed them a leak turner 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.480 that wound up being wound up being a fumble. Um. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.080 It was a it was a heck of a throw, 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.360 but I thought there were accuracy issues there. I thought 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.480 the ball didn't look as good coming out of his 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.360 hand to me as it did for Garrett Um. Obviously 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.880 the offense bogged out in the red zone when Garrett 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.200 was in there, but let him downfield. It looked smooth 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.560 and somewhat efficient when he was in there, and I 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.600 don't think you could say the same for the other two. Yeah, 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.480 he looked like he was in control U A couple 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.360 of times, he might have held the ball a little 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.120 long and then you don't know if there was nothing 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.360 there and he just didn't decide Okay, I'm just throw 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.160 this away. But yeah, he you know, he had the one. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.360 The fumble was a sack, but but you know he 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.760 drove him. He had drives, you know, they're what was 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.560 It was first in goal at the five yard line, right, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.920 and they run the ball with Dottle uh up the middle. 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:06.200 That was the play that I thought. Uh Alana Lua 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.960 had a nice block, but they only got one yard 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:14.440 out of it. Second down Nasecki gets just blown up. Yeah, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.000 and so uh it ended up in a sack minus 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.840 seven yards. And then third and goal at the eleven 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:30.200 here comes uh. I think it was it was seventeen. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:34.880 I think they blitzed um. Anyway, Nasecki didn't pick up 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.440 the blitz and he and so it kind of blew 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.840 up the play. So oh, I know what it was. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.200 He blew up. He blew up the play and uh 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.640 Turner broke up the pass. It would have been an interception, right, 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.880 That's what happened. I had seventeen written down here. So yeah, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.720 um so, but you know he drove the ball, and 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.040 I think that McCarthy talked about it afterwards, talked about 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.960 how we had long drive. You want to see the 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.720 case in preseason games. You want to see stacked on. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.600 It wasn't exactly, and then uh yeah, Rush had some 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:14.000 nice passes. But boy, you mentioned the ball just doesn't 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.200 come out of his hand quick. It's like we's got 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.480 this long arm thing, right, it kind of dies when 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.200 it has to go, yeah, like if it's got to 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.879 go to the boundary or go too far outside. And 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.679 then Denucci up and down. You know, he had a 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.640 couple of nice passes. Now he was working with what 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.159 we used to call in high school the nuts squad. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.919 You know. It was like that's when I got to 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.520 go practice. By the way, his time, Okay, what do 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.719 we need out there? Because I go play that position, right, 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.680 we gotta arrest somebody. Uh but uh yeah, he had 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.920 a couple of errant throws and then again holding the ball, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.399 you know, and that was one of the thing I 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.399 thought he was starting to do better out here. He 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.159 was getting the ball out of his hands, but the 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.240 hair he started holding it and then he had to 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:02.080 run um. But again, he just hasn't played much football, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.840 So we'll see what happens there. But I think Dave's right, Uh, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.800 Gilbert's competing against the rest of the league. If somebody 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.080 gets released, it's yeah, it's hard to imagine somebody on 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.159 this team other than him being the backup quarterback. Yeah, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.640 but it's also you look at it at the same 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.840 right and saying, are you feeling comfortable with him at 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.359 the backup spot, because right now it's not a for 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.960 sure yes and not a yes. We know how important 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.400 the backup quarterback spot is so last year, right, so 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.960 see it right now in camp DA Dak was out 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:39.520 there doing some rehab this morning, and it's my understanding 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.639 that you know, we may not see him until we 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:49.600 get back to the Star Yeah, and it you know, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.159 if he plays, it might be the Houston game. Otherwise 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:58.880 he needs uh. And it wasn't portrayed to me as 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.600 a setback. It was always it was gonna take this 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.760 long to recover from that injury, and we call it 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.360 a shoulder injury. But finally got showed to me where 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.159 it was. And it's the muscle from your back that 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.639 comes underneath your arm. Yeah here, and and that's what 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.560 the problem is. I saw somebody say, yeah, he's throwing 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.040 with his shoulder or or no, they said he was 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.200 throwing with his left shoulder. I said, no, you don't 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.600 throw with your shoulder, you throw with your arm, right. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.560 But I don't know who wrote that. We had a 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.800 really you might have which you saw so much more 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.400 than we did last night. But one thing we got 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.080 to see what They interviewed him on Fox at halftime 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.280 and Darry Bradshaw put him right on the spot and 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.560 was like, yeah, it's just what you just said. He's like, 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.480 it's under your shoulder, right, it's not like your labor 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.960 room or your rotator cuff. And God bless Dac, he 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:52.359 was like, yep, that's right. Anyway, yeah, anyway, if you 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.160 want to give away too much, he literally was like, yep, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.119 you're right, but we're not gonna talk about it. We're 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.080 gonna do like cockey. It's an upper body injury. I 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.720 don't know anybody trying to hit me underneath my arm, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.400 but that that was the deal. And it wasn't from 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.560 throwing too much. I was told that it was one throw. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.600 He tried to throw a deep ball and he threw 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:20.000 it weird at a at a weird arm slot angle. Uh, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.920 and that's would cause the injury. So it wasn't. No, 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.000 he didn't throw enough. His arm was tired at nothing 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.480 to hire an LB pitching coach. Yeah, and so you 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.440 know he had somebody working with him out there. I 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.320 didn't recognize who the person was, but they they I 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.960 guess somebody wrote that the Cowboys had contacted the Rangers 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:43.160 about pitching because pitchers have that injury. Um usually football 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.119 players don't. So he's worked with an old MLB pitching 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.760 coach before. I wonder if and that could have been. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.000 Um So kind of downplayed that the other day on 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.040 talking Cowboys and then they go out and do it. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.479 So he was, he was, he would, he would. He 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.240