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Speaker 1: Straight out to David Max, indicated talk show host. Start

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Speaker 1: Dave Max indicated talk show host from Karen Stark Psychologists

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Speaker 1: This is Andrea Lucia. Security footage shows Prisma Rayas standing

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Speaker 1: hears everything i'm saying. I'm just saying. I'm sorry. You

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Speaker 1: have to hear me talking to my eighty seven year

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Speaker 1: old mother. He's hard of hearing. I have to scream. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, But yeah, I don't think that's ought to

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Speaker 1: be talking on speaker? Is that? Is that just me?

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt No, I think it's normal. And actually, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you know, while many of us we see that and

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Speaker 1: we wonder who she talking to, what's going on? Well,

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Speaker 1: the police have already talked to the person on the

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Speaker 1: other end of that phone call. They're not telling us who, what, when,

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Speaker 1: or where, but they already talked to that individual and

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Speaker 1: then said it has nothing to do with this case. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Ash will caught. Did you just hear Dave Matt completely

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Speaker 1: ignore what I say said? What is it with men? Dude?

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Speaker 1: Can they not? First of all, cut Dave, Max, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear him right now, Ashley, what

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Speaker 1: is it not you, Jeff Cortize? Of course, because you're perfect,

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Speaker 1: But what is wrong with them? I just said, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's weird che's on speaker phone, that I

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Speaker 1: do it all the time because I don't want ear

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Speaker 1: cancer or brain cancer or any other kind of cancer.

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Speaker 1: Lord help me. And he just goes off on something else.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? I did hear that I did?

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Speaker 1: It was non responsive, darn it. So let me just

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Speaker 1: say with him, I completely agree with you. I'm on

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Speaker 1: speaker phone the majority of the time. Now. If it's

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Speaker 1: in a bunch of people and it's rude, I certainly

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Speaker 1: take it off speaker, but I always use speaker phone.

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Speaker 1: It's also easier because I can hold it right in

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Speaker 1: front of me. Yeah. I can clear out a whole

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Speaker 1: room screaming into the phone trying to make my mother

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Speaker 1: hear me. No problem, Okay, let Dave mac back in

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Speaker 1: now he's spanked enough. So Cortez, did you hear that?

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cortize, what Mac just said that they've spoken to

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Speaker 1: the person she was talking to on the phone interview.

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Speaker 1: Then they whoever it is, they won't divulge it, but

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Speaker 1: they've spoken willingly. So that's really not helping me except

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Speaker 1: giving me a time another clue. Maybe that person knew

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Speaker 1: where she was headed. Man, it helps me a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I guess. Jeff Cortiz, Yeah, I think even identifying people

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Speaker 1: who are not facilitators in nefarious activity is helpful to

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. So being able to cross names offul list

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Speaker 1: can always be helpful and is helpful, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: dealing with a missing person case. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: Dan says it's out of character. Prisma would never run away,

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Speaker 1: and most importantly, she would never leave her son. Her

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Speaker 1: son he needs, he needs to have his mother. Police

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Speaker 1: release surveillance video of prisma last scene in Dallas. To

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Speaker 1: people who don't know her, it may seem normal, but

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Speaker 1: to Dan, he's analyzing every movement and worried she was

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Speaker 1: in distress. The way she was floundering, her arm and

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Speaker 1: a lanyard for her keys round. It's just a trait

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Speaker 1: that she has. He is hoping his daughter is safe.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see her, you know, I'd love

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Speaker 1: to be able to give her a hug again, to

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Speaker 1: bring her home. That's about all I ask. As you know,

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Speaker 1: right or wrong, every investigation into a homicide or a

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Speaker 1: missing person starts close to home. I'm talking about your husband,

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Speaker 1: your boyfriend, your ex, the guy that was your ex

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Speaker 1: three years ago, and you've got a t r against him,

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Speaker 1: anyone close to you and your immediate orbit. And if

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Speaker 1: that fails, you step out. Coworkers, neighbors, associates. Then you

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Speaker 1: step out, and you keep going. End up with the

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Speaker 1: pizza delivery boy, you end up with the guy at

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Speaker 1: the grocery store, you end up with the bank teller,

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Speaker 1: and it goes on and on and on. Because normally,

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Speaker 1: right or wrong, Jeff Cortez, a former FBI special agent,

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Speaker 1: homicides occur by people that know you, not necessarily your husband,

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Speaker 1: but maybe your husband, your ex, your boyfriend, and then

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Speaker 1: you move out, ever so slightly. Statistically, that's true. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely that's the case. So in

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Speaker 1: that scenario, I want to hear first about the search.

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Speaker 1: What is being done? Are they using k nines? Are

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Speaker 1: they walking shoulder to shoulder with cadets? What has been done,

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt syndicated talk show hosts Two Fine Prisma Denise Matthy.

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Speaker 1: They actually have done exactly as you describe. They've gone

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Speaker 1: door to door, canvassing the entire apartment complex that is

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Speaker 1: attached to this parking garage where we saw her on

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Speaker 1: that video at five fifty in the evening. They've canvassed

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. They've talked to everybody, every family member, co workers,

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Speaker 1: pasco workers, They've talked with everybody at this point. There

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Speaker 1: it's an exhaustive search. Letscape police going door to door

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Speaker 1: in the area where Prisma Denise was last seen. They

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Speaker 1: asked everyone to check security cameras and hopes of finding

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Speaker 1: more footage of her the day she goes missing. The

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Speaker 1: little boy, I understand is with relatives. What can you

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Speaker 1: tell me, Robin Malinsky crime online dot com about where

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Speaker 1: where's the father of the little boy? Where does he live?

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Speaker 1: That is the big outstanding question. Let's talk about the search.

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Speaker 1: To Dave Matt, you said everything has been done. I

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Speaker 1: assume that may's looking at bodies of water if there

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Speaker 1: is one nearby, bringing in tracker dogs, cadaver dogs, scent dogs.

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Speaker 1: You told me shoulder to soldier shirts. Have they done

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Speaker 1: drone and air search as well? Dave Matt Nancy. What

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Speaker 1: we've been told by the police thus far is that

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Speaker 1: they've done an extensive search around the apartment complex of

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Speaker 1: that thirty five hundred block of Roseland Avenue, which is

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Speaker 1: where her vehicle was found at what they referred to

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Speaker 1: as abandoned and where that video was taken of the

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Speaker 1: CC camera that we saw. They've gone to every apartment building,

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Speaker 1: every apartment, they've knocked on the doors. They've gone to

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Speaker 1: the other buildings along that same block, knocking on doors

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Speaker 1: to talk to anybody who has any information about the

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Speaker 1: evening that Prism was last seen. Speaking of starting with

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Speaker 1: a small nucleus, take a listen to our friend at

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Speaker 1: fox Ford, Dallas, says Alex Boyer. Right now, Mesquite police

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Speaker 1: detectives are going door to door in this area. They're

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Speaker 1: asking folks to check their surveillance video. They're hoping that

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Speaker 1: there's additional video of PRIs Mareyas from the night she

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Speaker 1: went missing in this area. Meanwhile, her mother and sister

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Speaker 1: are devastated. They're waiting for answers. Where is she? We

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Speaker 1: have to know? Still no sign of the devoted single

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Speaker 1: mother from his ski. It's hard seeing my nephew every

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Speaker 1: morning and knowing that he might not be able to

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Speaker 1: see his mom ever again. Dallas police officers located rays

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Speaker 1: Is cheap abandoned on Rosalind Avenue in Oldies, Dallas last

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Speaker 1: Thursday morning. Surveillance video released by police places ray Is

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Speaker 1: at a nearby apartment complex around five to fifty Wednesday night.

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Speaker 1: Investigators have not said why they believed she may have

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Speaker 1: been there, but Rays' sister revealed a possible link. We

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Speaker 1: do know of an ex boyfriend that lives there and

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Speaker 1: her car was parked the block from there. As Morelda

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Speaker 1: Pilalda reported that information to police. She tells me the

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Speaker 1: relationship ended badly. Let's talk about the obvious, the boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer or anchor Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley,

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Speaker 1: he should expect to be questioned. That's just sp stenter

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Speaker 1: operating procedure. And I find it very probative that she

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Speaker 1: was in his apartment complex going to pick up the

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Speaker 1: baby and the car was found not too far away

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Speaker 1: from the apartment complex. Ashley, Yeah, it does not give

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Speaker 1: me a good feeling at all, Nancy, A couple of things.

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Speaker 1: Number One, he should absolutely expect to be questioned, because

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Speaker 1: they should be questioning everyone that she has contact with

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Speaker 1: or known in the area, or that knows her. Second,

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Speaker 1: you know as well as I do, the statistics part

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Speaker 1: of it, most people. Things don't happen to most people

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Speaker 1: by strangers. Usually statistically, it's by someone that we know,

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Speaker 1: someone that knows us. And he would fit that bill.

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Speaker 1: So he is a potential He's certainly a person of interest,

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Speaker 1: if not a potential suspect. We know that in the

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Speaker 1: hours after Prisma Denise disappears, her sister called her on

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Speaker 1: her cell and it rang and rang and rang, going

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Speaker 1: to voicemail. Now the cell phone appears to be off

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Speaker 1: or the battery drained. That's significant, Jeff Cortiz, because right

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Speaker 1: after we note she was gone, and that's around seven thirty,

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Speaker 1: when she didn't pick up the baby, the phone was

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Speaker 1: still working. How long Jeff, does it take to get triangulation. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean you could look at historical records to get

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Speaker 1: an idea of a general vicinity. If you're talking about

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Speaker 1: getting a precise location, Uh, you know that that doesn't

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Speaker 1: take very long. But you know, there are court processes

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Speaker 1: in place that you know, protect people from the government

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Speaker 1: being able to do that too seamlessly. Now in a

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Speaker 1: missing person case, obviously there are some exigent circumstances that said,

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Speaker 1: this being the same evening, the turnaround time on such

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Speaker 1: a court order might might be hard to put a

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Speaker 1: finger on that. And I don't really know at what

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Speaker 1: point the phone stopped working, so you know, the phone

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Speaker 1: does need to be operational for them to get that

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Speaker 1: close pings beyond just hitting off a cell tower. Another

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Speaker 1: thing we know, and correct me if I'm wrong. Robin

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Speaker 1: will as Kin, Dave matt Is, the person she was

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Speaker 1: talking to, has not only been identified interviewed, but they

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Speaker 1: have been cleared as well, according to the information that

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Speaker 1: we're getting. Yeah, he's no longer he's not a person

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Speaker 1: of enter or she He or she is not a

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Speaker 1: person of interest. They've already done the interview and has

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Speaker 1: said that that call has nothing to do with What

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Speaker 1: about the boyfriend. I don't know the boyfriend's name yet,

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Speaker 1: that has not been released. But is he considered a

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Speaker 1: person of interest? Nancy? At this point, I don't know

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Speaker 1: his name either, And I'm not even going to assume

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Speaker 1: the police have talked to him, because you know as

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Speaker 1: well as I do, people lawyer up right away, and

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Speaker 1: knowing that this according to her sister, the relationship ended

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Speaker 1: badly infer and that what you want. But I'm going

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Speaker 1: to assume that she's telling the truth and that this

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Speaker 1: guy is going to have already lawyered up, is not

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Speaker 1: talking to anybody, but we don't know that. Where is

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Speaker 1: PRIs mut Denise Yes. If you have information, please call

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Speaker 1: nine seven two two eight five six three three six

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Speaker 1: repeat nine seven two two eight five six three three

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Speaker 1: six Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,