1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and I'm Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: And I've never told your protection of I heart radios 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: how staff works. Okay, all right, here we go today. 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: We are finally tackling a topic I have wanted to 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: talk about for a long time. I believe in the 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: first ever episode that I was on that wasn't kind 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: of an intro episode, I mentioned that I wanted to 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: talk about this, right, I think you told me that 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: pretty quickly as one of your ideas when we were 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: discussing the future of Sementy. And I'm like, I don't 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: know if I can contribute to this, but I will 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: beat there to listen. Perfect. Yeah, yes, and I've wanted 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: to talk about this, like just not even on podcast, 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: but just a woman about town, a woman of South Town. 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: Even I'm a woman about town since Twilight was at 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: its cheek because I I was just so kind of 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: befuddled and intrigued about what was happening. So did you 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: watch any of the Twilight? I watched the first one, 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not here to make fun of what anyone enjoys. Um, 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: I just wasn't right. I went in blind and I 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: laughed at a part I'm not sure I was supposed 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: to laugh at the whole first movie was kind of laughing. 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: It was the first movie, and this young girl behind 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: me threatened to cut me in an alleyway, and I 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: was like, I want to talk about this one day. 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: I'll have a podcast of my own and I can 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: I can delve into. So I was in the middle 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: of the Twilight frenzy as well, and I was much 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: older than the majority of the Twilight people who Twilight fans. 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: I think the fandom um, and I will say it 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: was really enjoyable, and I did like it because it 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: was an easy read and it was really like mind 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: numbing in the sense of like you don't have to 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: think too hard into it. And as any other thing 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: we talked about fan growling, Yeah, which is sex. This 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: is in a comment, but essentially um, the idea that 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: you get really obsessive with the character and or an idea, 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: and this is kind of that world of that fantasy world, 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: which also translated into Fifts of Gray. Yes, Twilight, right, 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: but it brought that same kind of satuation, brought that 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: for older women and older generations. That would have been 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: the way for Twilight. I think, yeah, and I That's 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: why I don't want to be judgmental of that, because 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: I think because I don't like romance, that's why I 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: didn't like Twilight. But if I fan girl about so 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: much stuff, right was believe me, Harry Potter, I went 47 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: and it's still still right. And I think for me, 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily all about romance, but as a person 49 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: who wished to have romance or wish for the perfect 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: idea of romance. Um, but I'm cynical in real life 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: oddly enough, and I'm like, yeah, this would be awesome. Yeah, 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it. I'm just saying we 53 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: will be returning to Twilight. I love how we always 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: bury the lead of what the episode is about. So 55 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about no, no, no, no no, I love it. 56 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about women and monsters and kind of this 57 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: this trope and this attraction of it seems and a 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: lot of our media women and monsters, right, vampires being 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: one of those. And before we get into it, trigger 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: warnings were, I mean, this is just gonna kind of 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: come up. We're not going to delve into it, but art, yeah, esque, 62 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: there is one thing that I will maybe say it's 63 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: not but it's it's generally we're just kind of mentioning 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: these things rape, sexual assault and general warning about porn 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: and fetishes, and um, we do want to be careful 66 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: to not judge any consensual, safe, healthy things that people 67 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: are into, right and again, and we'll be talking more 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: and more about this with like the b D s 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: M and bondage. But everything has to do with constant 70 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: and communication in being an adult who can consent legally. Yes, um, 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: so let's get into it. I'm so excited. Even if 72 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: there's no sexual attraction, it's hard to deny after looking 73 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: at our pop culture that we don't find monsters, especially 74 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: the more human esque humanoid ones appealing. People writing about 75 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: the popularity of monsters point to their relatability. They're different 76 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: than us humans here, but we can see ourselves in them, 77 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: and a lot of us can connect with that feeling 78 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: of being outcasts. Right, you want to be the underdog 79 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: that comes out on top. Yes, Yes, we love an underdog. 80 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: And like I've said many times, I think horror movies 81 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: are great mirrors to reflect back what we as a 82 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: society have hang ups around um, and something similar can 83 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: be said around monsters. They embody both fear and desirability 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: and fear around desirability, And really, doesn't that sound like 85 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: we're describing at a shoots around sex. Yeah, I mean, 86 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: I will say for me, and it's not exactly a 87 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: monster monster, but like dexter. Uh. His character was intriguing 88 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: to me because it had a bit of my biggest 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: fear of who I could be. Really right, yeah, getting up? 90 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: Are you a little nervous? Now? Are you a little nervous? 91 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Because he reflects a lot about trauma and childhood. But 92 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: at the same time, he kinda is that guy that 93 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: as the monster you want to make better somehow. Yeah. Yeah, 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: it's a really interesting dichotomy. I was trying to explain 95 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: to a friend after perhaps one too many tea glasses 96 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: wine at five am. Um, yes this is after we karaoke. 97 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: I'll see, this is why I can't hang with you 98 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: past like money. We had to wait for our pizza 99 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: to and I was just explaining to her she does 100 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: this thing where she becomes contrary when she's drunk um, 101 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: and she was picking a fight with me, but she 102 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: was like, I don't understand why you like the Winter 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Soldiers so much because his hair parts so weird. And 104 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: I'm like, it has nothing to do with looks. It's 105 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: all about the trauma he represents, right, and that's very true. Anyway, 106 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: we're getting away from the point. I'm so sorry. No, no, 107 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: there's so many examples of this in so many Beauty 108 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: and the Beast, Dracula, Twilight, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Vampire Diaries, 109 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: True Blood. Although there's a lot of attraction going on 110 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: in True Blood, they have all the monsters. In True 111 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: Blood you have from like Werewolves two which is to 112 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: vampires too. Ferries. Yeah, I guess that's not really a 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: monster is actually they turned out to be monsters and 114 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: True Blood Oh dear, I mean that makes sense. I included. 115 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: I just wanted to include that because they think in 116 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: True Blood it's just generally a lot of attraction and desirability, 117 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of monsters and they're all 118 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: the whole like idea of saving that one, Like, what 119 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: is that innocent character? Yeah, she's kind of the innocent 120 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: virgin that they're trying to take care of. All of 121 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: them are fighting over her, one pure, very white, very 122 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: blonde girl with all the monsters around her, and how 123 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: she attracts those people that's part of our sexuality as well. 124 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: For me, it is absolutely a part of this, oh 125 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: for sure. Um. Shape of Water is a big recent 126 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: one Venom, which apparently caused a lot of excitement for 127 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: some folks. I can't remember it's called. There's a name 128 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: for it, but because I was gonna say, Tom Hardy, right, yeah, 129 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: end the story. I've never seen this movie, but double Hardys. Oh, 130 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: I've seen it an embarrassing amount of times because of 131 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: my parody that I'm making that right, Yes, it's all 132 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: for that. Oh well you will be so good. Um. 133 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: And it's slightly different for this example of venom because 134 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: this was the audience being attracted to the monster as 135 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: opposed to like in the movie. I think it's an 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: interpretation from the audience. But I want to concluded Tom Hardy. Yeah, 137 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: but there's even that. It was big enough that the 138 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: company that produced this, which I believe is Sony, Um, 139 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: they released a trailer after the movie came out that 140 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: painted it as a rom com. It was that big 141 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: of a kid. No, and it's great, It's it's great. 142 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: I guess I need to watch it. I have not 143 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: seen anything. I mean, yes, but it's not good. But 144 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: you know. Apologies to anyone who likes me out there. 145 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean, I mean, do you do 146 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: what you want to do. I'm just a kind of 147 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: warn you. It's fun, but perhaps not okay. Older movies 148 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: were likely to include a less human looking creature lusting 149 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: after a human woman, like King Kong. I think there 150 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: is something different about these old school monster movies too, 151 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: because they were less about female desire and how we 152 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: view it and more about the male gaze. And we're 153 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: almost entirely written by men. It's like male creatures assaulting women, right. 154 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: I guess if you think about how Dracula has changed 155 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: over time, like he was really big monster, pointy year guy, 156 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: and now it's all of a sudden, this beautiful man 157 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: like listens, doesn't listen well Corn and Twilight, he listens. 158 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: He sparkles. Yeah, that that was That wasn't the scene. 159 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: I laughed, but I almost laughed at that. That wasn't 160 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: like a laughable scene. I laughed when he like blocked 161 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: in and smelled Bella for the first time, and he 162 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: made that face, but he covered his nose. I just 163 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. I it was funny anyway. 164 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: If if we can include fan fiction, which everyone knows. 165 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm want to do it's everywhere Harry Potter, which 166 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: is my specialty. There are irresistible wear wolves, vampires, vila. Um, 167 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: it's more like they can't resist the human character they 168 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: are infatuated infatuated with most of the time, which doesn't 169 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: really and in the books the centaurs are are seeing 170 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: as sexual objects like the women, like the girls are amagly. 171 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: I tried it to them. It doesn't show them much 172 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: so much. In the movie books they do. Yeah, video 173 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: games have some interesting examples where air can choose to 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: pursue a relationship with a non human. I still don't 175 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: get that. Oh I've done it, I know. I mean, 176 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: like my friend who plays the video games, he does 177 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: it too, and I'm like, why, oh, okay, here we go. Um. 178 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: So usually in this case it's an alien, not of 179 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: the master variety. But you know, depending on your take 180 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: of aliens and gives anyway. Um, I always went for 181 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: Garris arel Area, both of whom are alien. When playing 182 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: the human female character in Mass Effect, it's like a 183 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: foreign language to me, I know, to the Mass Effect players. Um. 184 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: There's a game called Coming Out on top, which is 185 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: about queer folks exploring their sexuality, where you can opt 186 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: for a goldfish as a sexual partner, um as one 187 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: of many paths, many many paths. Um, it's really hard 188 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: to describe. Why Why why a goldfish? I mean, I 189 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: think it's just about options. Um. That's the same as 190 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, mass affecting Garris. I liked his voice, and 191 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: he seemed even even cue it was all about personnel. 192 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: It was about his personality. I got you, I got you. 193 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: And then there is monster porn are cryptozoological erotica, which 194 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: generally involves a human woman having sexual encounters with some 195 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: type of creature, and this is actually largely written by women. Really, 196 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: there is perhaps a surprising amount of science looking to 197 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: why this is a thing, or perhaps it's not surprising 198 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: at all. Um. The current consensus is it has to 199 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: do with usually women wanting to explore a wider variety 200 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: of erotic experiences on the Internet. Porn side of it, though, 201 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: one mystery German dude has produced almost all of the 202 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: sea creature porn that exists, so he does all the 203 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: tentical porn. I don't think it's tentical porn. I think 204 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: it's more like Creature from the Black Lagoon because UM, 205 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: When the company that makes the C Creature outfit that 206 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: is almost always featured in these porn videos were asked 207 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: about it um and and told you know, hey, did 208 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: you know that your Sea Creature say all this porno, 209 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: they responded, quote, we did not know that our C 210 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: Creature costume was being used in pornographic films. We hope 211 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: the actors find the costume comfortable, easy to wear, and 212 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: that the audience enjoys the artistic beauty of the costume. Wow, 213 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: that is the most generic like um company like corporate answer. 214 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: That's pretty right. I enjoy it unbiased, like, oh yeah, 215 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: it was fantastic. We like and you can appreciate and 216 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: appreciate that. Due to calls that it promoted bestiality and brutality, 217 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: Amazon and other websites took down some monster porn, including 218 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: that big Foot one everyone always uses as an example. 219 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: I think probably most of you have seen it or 220 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: heard of it in passing. Even if you don't know it, 221 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: it's a bad I don't want to look it up. 222 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: It's just popular. I read it. I wouldn't be ashamed. 223 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: In my head, it's interesting, like I don't understand, like 224 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: I didn't know this was an option. YEA, feel very 225 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: naive right now. Well I usually feel that way, so 226 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: it's good to happen. At first, I wasn't going to 227 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: include robots. What a fun sentence that is. But then 228 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: I got to thinking about the symbolism and the alien 229 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: movies of the Android trying to kill Ripley in the 230 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: first one and the newer ones. How David Um, who's 231 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: an android like always falls in love for the lead 232 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: female character and or wants to kill her despite being 233 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: a robot that shouldn't in this in this movie shouldn't 234 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: have those feelings Um and all the hubub about how 235 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: hot the robot was and lost his face the new 236 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: Netflix sauce in his face. Okay, so I think are 237 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: related but different. I mean, would that include like Blade Runner. 238 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: Aren't they all like some have Android? Yeah? Yeah, I 239 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: guess so. I guess. So then they have creation of 240 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: life and that becomes problematic because they have created life somehow? 241 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: Is that right? I've not watched it fully, but I 242 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: know people are really big fans of this and they 243 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: love this idea. And the last one had Ryan Gosling, 244 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: who was a beautiful beautiful man playing a beautiful beautiful robot. 245 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: Right the I was on the Rhine Gossling train way 246 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: before me, I was, I was nine years old. Hey, 247 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: young Hercules had a big crush. Oh that's right, he 248 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: was on What if I told you I liked him 249 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: from Mickey mouse Club? Oh no, you're right he could. 250 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't want to know the truth in 251 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: this world. But I mean, I guess that would be 252 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: like the objective objectification of robots, right, yeah, I think 253 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: there's that could be a hole and I would love 254 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: to talk about that as well a different episode, but 255 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: just the like they're you but not quite right, Like 256 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: there's something I better magorous about it, kind of unpredictable. Yeah. 257 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: So those those are a lot of the examples, and 258 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: we have a lot more to discuss. But first we're 259 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: going to pause for a quick fick for work and 260 00:14:49,600 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: re sponsor and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. We're not 261 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: the only ones who are curious about this, or I'm not. 262 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Samantha's just kind of just learning. This is 263 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: a fascinating topic, so let's keep going. Okay. Psychologists think 264 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: that it in part has to do with the allure 265 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: and thrill of the unknown. There's also an inherent power dynamic, 266 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: a submissive dominant layer that some people are attracted to. 267 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: On top of that, monsters can often represent repressed sexuality, 268 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: especially things that are taboo or perverse and sexual desire. 269 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: Monsters can represent raw animal passion and also often exemplify 270 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: exaggerated masculine traits. Can be exciting and different, and sometimes 271 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: people are attracted to that danger. Kind of like we 272 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: were just talking about something else. I found said. Early 273 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: examples of this, especially in children's movies like Beauty and 274 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: the Beast, were meant as almost moral tales of male 275 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: predatory behavior and gender roles in scripts. So men, in 276 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: this case, our animal is stick with insatiable desires, and 277 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: women either will fall victim to that desire or have 278 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: to cater to it. Right. I guess you could say 279 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: that about the Red riding Hood, Little Red Riding Hood. Yeah, yeah, 280 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: that came up as an example as well. Um Bell's 281 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: love and in this case you can read it as 282 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: femininity and her sex makes the beast human. It redeems 283 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: his animalistic brutish nature, brings that his best qualities. Without it, 284 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: he is a monster. But Jia Tolentino wrote in The 285 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: New Yorker, the half buried truth about Disney's Beauty and 286 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: the Beast is that in the end, the Prince is 287 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: a let down. I thought so too, like it's not 288 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: as good as the Beast. No, I like, it's not 289 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: even that for me. It was for a lot of people, 290 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: because you do spend the whole movie with this character 291 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: and then it's like a blonde ponytail dude. Right wait, WHOA. 292 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, no, you like the goofy manner. 293 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: I guess I think I was just I'm thinking about 294 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: the scene where she's teaching him how to eat correct 295 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, it was always like a big 296 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: bumbling guy who stopped and he was like, well, thank you. Yes. 297 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: I think it's just you spend time like it's kind 298 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: of odd too. At the end here is this character 299 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: and it just feels the jarring kind of um and 300 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: if it is like the top search result if you 301 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: type in Beauty and the Beast prints, and it's like 302 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: it's a let down. So a lot of people think that, 303 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: And there's also Stockholm syndrome involved in that. That particular 304 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: example can also be interpreted as Bell sacrificing her freedom 305 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: and the beast sacrificing what made him different. M And 306 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: then um kind of related, Buffy has that and I 307 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: love Buffy the dam Parslor, but it has that problematic 308 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: thing with Angel and Buffy where the second after they 309 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: have sex he becomes a mindless monster and she loses him. Um. 310 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: And then there's also the problematic thing of the attempted 311 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: rape of by Spike. Don't they get together in the end? 312 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: They get together at some points over I can't. I 313 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: just remember that being a thing together. Wow, So he 314 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: tried to rape her, but then they got together. Yeah, 315 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: so many things. And then then this is a whole 316 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: cautionary tell if you have sex, it's going to be 317 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: really bad. The guy who you like will be an ass. Yes, 318 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: that was going I got you, I got you. Yeah. 319 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: And then there's a book. I think it's written by 320 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: Ryl Stein. Um. It was definitely one of those teen 321 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: thriller slash horror riders that I love. Wrote an adult book, 322 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: adult novel which included this like monster character that I 323 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: think came from incests somehow, and he's he's a horrible man, 324 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: horrible thing with no mind and the mother is trying 325 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: to control him or whatever, and then he goes out 326 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: and eats people. But one of the scenes he's raping 327 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: a woman that he's essentially eating at the same time 328 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: time on a carnival ride. I believe it was really 329 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: like what is going on? And of course the woman 330 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: who was eaten was the slut of the characters, so 331 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: that was like that was like four college friends and 332 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: the virginal not a word, where the virginal one was 333 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: like protected somehow, but the slut character was the one 334 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: that ended up being eaten and raped, as if she 335 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: deserved it, and she she tried to I think, entice him. 336 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: It has a way to try to get away from him, 337 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: as if like giving what he wanted, what the monster wanted, 338 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: she could maybe live, but she of course doesn't. I 339 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: just remember that being like, oh my god, what is happening. 340 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: So it kind of took all the tropes of the 341 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: cliches of monsters and films and all of that, and 342 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: women within monsters and books. It's kind of like, what 343 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: what the hell just happened? It was really weird. Yeah, 344 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: that that sounds a lot like have you ever seen 345 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: Cavin in the Woods. Yes, it sounds like that, but 346 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: Cavin in the Woods is a parody. Um also went 347 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: Samantha brought this up in the studio that there was 348 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: an Arl Steinn I don't book me, and super producer 349 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: Andrew got so invited. I started explaining what it was, 350 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: but you're like, oh no, that sounds terrible. I need 351 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: to go back and make sure. Either it was Arl 352 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: Stain or maybe Christopher Pike, but it was definitely one 353 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: of those. And the reason I read it was because 354 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: I love them both so much growing up. You know, 355 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: it doesn't love the Fear Street or Chronicles It's fantastic 356 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: or all of the goodn't like Goosebumps as much. I 357 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: like the Fear Street. I like the Witches. I like 358 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: the one with the two girls who go hitchhiking and 359 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: one of the girls as the martyr. But you think 360 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: it's the guy that they picked up the time that 361 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: he knew had to do a good plot. Twist, twist twist. 362 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: Some studies have shown that despite finding the possibility or 363 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: reality of real life rape horrifying and traumatic, up to 364 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: six of women admit to fantasizing about having sex. I 365 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: guess there will, particularly with monsters and we sort of 366 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: touched on this. It depends on wishing schedules. Um, but 367 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: I think it's super complicated, and I, along with the 368 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 1: steady authors, want to emphatically drive home this is not 369 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: me that women want to be raped in real life. No, no, no, no, 370 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: not coerced, not forced. I think of the sort um 371 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: like some men disgustingly and excitedly claimed when these survey 372 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: results came out, it's um, there's a lot of reasons 373 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: behind it. But like we were saying, they are too consenting. 374 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Adults can agree to like the plays or scenes as 375 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: we all learn the terms for yes as in fact 376 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: in what you do in the privacy of your own 377 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: home with your partner or whomever you're with that day, 378 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: and you have an established actual play things consent consenting 379 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: thing that you want, whatever it is, and that's fine. 380 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: But once again, there's still consent and play, whether it's 381 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: like there's a time frame at whatever scenario you've got 382 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: for yourself. Um. And I have a lot of my 383 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: own theories on why this is, and I think, like 384 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: most things, there's a lot going on and everybody is different. 385 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: But um, science people who studied this and conducted the 386 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: survey think it has to do UM with with both 387 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: people who generally take charge in things and find it 388 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: a relief to not take charge of something, to like 389 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: relinquish control or responsibility. Um. And then there is also 390 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: women feeling like she can't say yes to something she wants, 391 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: are simultaneously fearing and desiring sex um, are wanting her 392 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: beauty and desirable desirability which is our currency in this society, 393 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: confirmed as irresistible. And these are like fantasies again like 394 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: just to drive the home its fantasies um. Some psychologists 395 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: think has to do with the woman fearing emasculating the 396 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: man and promoting violence and to finishing her desirability if 397 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: refusing sex. And yes, all of this is very hetero 398 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: research um. And a couple of things to add here 399 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: is the women who reported having these fantasies also reported 400 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: higher levels of consensual fantasies and higher levels of openness 401 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: and positivity when it comes to sex as opposed to 402 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: the women who didn't. Because of that's some psychologists think 403 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: this fantasy might be an underlying desire to explore more 404 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: sexual scenarios like bondage or some other kink again again 405 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: again do not do this as women secretly want for sex, 406 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: because that is not a thing. It is not ever 407 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: ever a thing, not a thing. You will know from 408 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: the mouth of the woman if she wants to have sex, yes, yes, um. 409 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: And because we are going to discuss bondage and um fetishes, yes, 410 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: mouth of partner consent on all parties, on every party. 411 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: And again, fantasy different, fantasy, yes, And the likelihood of 412 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: someone acting out their fantasies are going to be still 413 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: in the conversation, right and communication mm hmm. Yeah, So 414 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: just keep that in mind. Uh, And we will be returning, 415 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: returning through that a little bit in upcoming episodes. Scientists 416 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: and psychologists take issue with the term rape fantasy to 417 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: saying it should be more accurately described as consensual ravishment 418 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: or agreed to aggression. And again, I think this is 419 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: a lot to do with our own, um past socidal 420 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: ideas of being manly or masculine. And again, this is 421 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: very heteronormative. But if you look at things like The 422 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: fountain Head, there's a pretty intense scene of this guy 423 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: coming after her, who is the main protagonist and the 424 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: hero of the book, with this girl who is snobby 425 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: and rich, that gets taken by him, and the same 426 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: idea with gone with a win when he picks her 427 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: up and ravishes hardest to and he feels regret the 428 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: next day. That is not the same thing, and for 429 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: some reason it is romanticized. Is so therefore the idea 430 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: of having a rep butler in your life sweeping your 431 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: way as opposed to, hey, this is any other the 432 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: guy I tried to touch me on punch him in 433 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: the throat and thick. I guess I can't say that, 434 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: I think so Okay, well I just did, But I 435 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: mean that's the difference is like this is a whole picture, 436 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: and again breaking down what is norm and what is 437 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: not norm, and then breaking down what is acceptable and 438 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: not acceptable. Yeah, um, and I know I was reading 439 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: some other studies about how um, there's a fear of 440 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: communicating like what you want if it's not quote unquote 441 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: normal when it comes to sex, if it is kind 442 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: of a fantasy or something that might be a little 443 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: um more scay. So it is hard to get good 444 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: numbers around it because you know, people are a little 445 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: it can be a little shy. Well it also so 446 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: there's still that shame factor that happens as we talk 447 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: about many many times, and whether or not we can 448 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: say what we want, because will you look on me 449 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: with shame? What do I have guilt about these feelings? Whatever? 450 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: What not? Um, there's a huge cloud over everyone, UM 451 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: with whatever they think is not normal based on their 452 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: experiences or their environment or their social ideas. UM. And 453 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: so therefore they would rather just sit in silence that 454 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: actually communicate and be open. Yeah. Yeah, but I think 455 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: things that are changing slowly. Yes, there are a lot 456 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: of dudes and some women who like to argue that 457 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: the attraction of monsters thing demonstrates that toxic masculinity doesn't 458 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: exist and that it's what women really want. And also 459 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: no also known like what, yeah, I just saw that 460 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: in a lot of places, and I was like, okay, 461 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: well no, but I want to address it. Side issue 462 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: female sea creatures giving up power and family to be 463 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: with human men, because I've seen that and a couple 464 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: of things all upon you are the Little Mermaid. The 465 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: related side issue the quote monster hotness gap. I did 466 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: not coin that or the fact that generally speaking, female 467 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: monsters have to be hot and overly sexualized, but this 468 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: isn't as often the case with women and male monsters. 469 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: Just think of Monster Halloween costumes from men versus women. Yeah, 470 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: like I mean you and I were talking. Also the 471 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: fact that when we look at the movie with Megan Fox, Oh, 472 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: Jennifer's body, Yeah, Jennifer's body. She's a monster, but she's 473 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: this hot ass monster that comes around and you know, 474 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: seduce his boys. Um. And many of the times you 475 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: see these monsters being really beautiful females and then transforming 476 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: into this ugly thing later on in time monster within 477 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: right right, um as where the monsters of men are 478 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: just out there. And I mean, have you ever heard 479 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: of the reverse Beauty and the Beast? Beauty and the hunk? 480 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: Hunk in the beast, not beauty of the beast. So 481 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: I hunk and the beast, and it shouldn't beauty on 482 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: the hawk. That's just like that's the reality show happening 483 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: on the beach, right Yeah. Yeah, Um, I just dated 484 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: myself by using the term hunk, didn't I I don't know. 485 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: I think hunk still has other thing I think so. Um, 486 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: there's also a female monsters sympathy gap. We're more likely 487 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: as audiences to sympathize with male monsters than we are 488 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: with female monsters. I wonder why that could be. Also, 489 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: female monsters are almost always single, and I almost went 490 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: into a huge tangent about it, but then I was like, 491 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: you gotta range almost always go after their best friends guys. 492 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: I've noticed that a lot, like they go after something 493 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: that is right, you know, supposed to be priority for females, 494 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: being caddy as it were. Um, some of the things 495 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about here can and sometimes do fall under 496 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: the umbrella of fetish or chinks, but not always. I 497 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: do want to mention that a shape of Water themed 498 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: dildo on Etsy keeps selling out and after it's Oscar 499 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: when it's sold out In twenty deepness, I'm not gonna lie. 500 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie just because I couldn't understand 501 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: the premise, and I get it. I get it. By 502 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: the same time, I was like, no, there's a really 503 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: interesting take on that movie about how it's supposed to 504 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: be you know, romantic. But at the same time, the 505 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: director Skim Adults were right. He kind of has publicly 506 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: looked down on people fetishizing. Um, the monster are not 507 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: even fetishizing, but just kind of romanticizing. But at the 508 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: same time, it's like this is what the movie is. 509 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: It's it's weird. I saw that came up a lot 510 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: when I was researching this, but it wasn't exactly what 511 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about, so I didn't include a lot of it. Um. 512 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: I've all thought this whole thing had something to do 513 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: with how women and society at large are taught to 514 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: fear female sexual desire and pleasure, going back to like 515 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: the taboo thing, so a lot of us have difficulty 516 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: expressing it and also suffer from low self esteem. Enter 517 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: a sexy, powerful vampire who literally cannot resist you, who 518 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: is so in love heavy quotes with you, he watches 519 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: you sleep at night, creepy, and wants to hear your 520 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: every thought. Super creepy. But I found some pieces that 521 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: argued it might have to deal with marginalized people empathizing 522 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: with creatures on the outside of society. There's some criticism 523 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: in that vein to that rather than depict sex outside 524 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: of our sis heteronorms, pop culture ops for monsters instead. Yeah. 525 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: I found that interesting. And related to this are more 526 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: modern take on more respectful, consensual monsters with women. Pairings 527 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: and attraction to them is sometimes credited to our desire 528 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: to see stories that allow women more sexual agency, that 529 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: depict more queerly relationships and or depict more non whitely 530 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: eating relationships, and Hollywood's resistance to that because these are 531 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: still straight white ladies falling from monsters as opposed to 532 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 1: doing that. But like we're craving something else so much 533 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: then what we've seen that I guess for monsters or 534 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: the way we're going with it, Okay, something else. I 535 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: read claim that vampires and werewolves, often especially in older works, 536 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: were layered with homosexual overtones and thus a fear of 537 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: spreading homosexuality. Yes, yes, um. And I also want to 538 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: add that I think writing fan fiction that involves sex 539 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: with the monster that isn't consensual is often a way 540 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: of working through complicated feelings around sex or past sexual experiences. 541 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: Is easier to think of someone as a straight up 542 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: monster than a human person who victimized you. That's just 543 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: my theory about some of it, not all of it 544 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: at all, but some of it. And another theory I 545 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: have because I have thought of episode, is that all 546 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: of us might have to do with male writers happening 547 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: with the societal scripts that tell them that they can't 548 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: control their desires and women will love them no matter 549 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: their monstrous attitude anyway, Are that that the love of 550 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: a woman will make them better the love of a 551 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: pure woman, Yes, I will make them pure as well, exactly. 552 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on here, um, but we're 553 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: not done. But first we have one more quick break 554 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor. I hope this vamparsa 555 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor, And we are back 556 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: with vampires, Samantha. Because I didn't want to look at 557 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: them specifically for a second, and I was. I asked 558 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: you before we did this if you had any kind 559 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: of monster attraction things going on, and you said the 560 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: one thing that I've always really really liked our vampire stories, 561 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: and I've loved them from the beginning. And this is 562 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: why I also say I did know about Twilight. I 563 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 1: also loved um Interview with a Vampire that was one 564 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: of my favorites. I even watched the one with Jim Carrey, 565 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: the really really old school one. What is it like 566 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: a comedy? Uh, good, gosh, it's so old. Yes, he 567 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: he transforms into a new vampire and it was um 568 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: on rotten tomatoes, but it was a film, and yeah, 569 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: he gets bitten I can't remember the quite premise. He 570 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: gets bitten and he's slowly transforming, and it's obviously it's 571 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: a bit of a comedy. Um. But yeah, I even 572 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: watched that one because I really liked it. I liked 573 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: the idea, Yeah, there's something to me when you see 574 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: this kind of like darkness and defining death. I think 575 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: was part of my fascination. Also, Brad Pitt was beautiful. 576 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: I will say this thing between him and Kirsten does 577 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: was really really creepy and almost did not make me happy. 578 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: He definitely didn't make me happy. It is very sexualized. 579 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: Of all, I feel like all of the monster movies, 580 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: or like that type of non human movies, vampires are 581 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: the most sexualized than anything else. I would agree. I 582 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: would agree with that, and that's why we have this 583 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: whole section specifically, Um, what does that say about me? Then? 584 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: Damn no, no, no, you were definitely not alone. Um. 585 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: So I found a lot of theories about why we 586 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: have a fascination with vampires, and one of the and 587 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: while they're so sexualized, I'm one of the first things 588 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: that I ran into That was really obvious when I 589 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: read it, But I was still sort of surprised is 590 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: that it's a replacement for sex, because you're like exchanging bodily, 591 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: but you're not having sex again. It's someone who maybe 592 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: can't resist you, who might bite you at any time, 593 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: can offer you eternal life, eternal youth. Um unchanging in city. 594 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: I thought that was such a funny argument, but a guess, 595 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense. Like if you're you want 596 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: somebody steady at commitment in your life, then someone who 597 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: commit to you right right there you go, right a 598 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: safe sex symbol. I found that argument. Um the bad 599 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: boy and the allure of reforming him right or the 600 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: tortured sensitive soul. I do love a really sad boy. 601 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: I do too, and I don't. I have a lot 602 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: of friends that make fun of me for that. But 603 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I did. I like the tortured artist guy. 604 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: That was my thing. That was another episode to come 605 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: back to the fact that they're mesmerizing um the fantasy 606 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: of not having to be responsible, and almost always played 607 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: by conventionally attractive actors. Although the original Dracula, sure this 608 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: is our newer Sarato was not a pretty boy. No, no, 609 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: have you seen um? As we lie in the shadows 610 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: what we do in the show. I love I love 611 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: the show. I haven't watched the show, but I know 612 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: the movie in itself. It kind of goes back to 613 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: the old school idea of like, yeah, it's not sexy 614 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: as you think, and I love their takes on that. Yes, 615 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: I love it. Any listeners who are interested. Highly recommended 616 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: good movie. Um. Twilight is often seen as a metaphor 617 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: for abstinence absolutely before marriage. Edward can hardly resist Billa's 618 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: sent but he must or she will be condemned to 619 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: be a monster to putting the responsibility on the woman 620 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: from the man's desires and actions. Another example of that um, 621 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: but also complicated by the fact that she does love 622 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: him right um. And also complicated by the fact that 623 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: I suppose the messages there is premarrital sex as monstrous yeah, um, 624 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: and I think you're going to talk about it, but 625 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,479 Speaker 1: actually he refuses to sleep with her because she wants 626 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: to be with him so badly. And I don't think 627 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: ever they've ever mentioned sex in the book or in 628 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: the movie, because well, now, I'm sorry beforehand that they 629 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: don't talk about it. Um. But she says something along 630 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: the time learned like because the whole bag. Oh my god, 631 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe I know so much. The whole back 632 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: and forth is that she wants to be with him forever, 633 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: and she doesn't want to grow old and die he 634 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: lives or whatever, and he doesn't want her to be 635 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: a monster as he is quote unquote um. But she 636 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: also wants to sleep with him, and she wants to 637 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: sleep with him while she's still human because she doesn't 638 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: know that things will change when she's not anymore. And 639 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: the only way he will do that is if they 640 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: get married. So he is the one that puts it 641 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: on her. So she gets married at eighteen eighteen, and 642 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: for some reason that it's acceptable even this day and age, 643 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: and everybody's like super excited and no one's really creeped 644 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: out by the fight. Hey, that's really weird. But this 645 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: is also that religious dance, which is the writer was 646 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: very religious. Is very I don't know, and that was 647 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: part of her thing is the pale the sexual attraction. 648 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: But he was such a good guy, and it's such 649 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: a good man that he makes sure that they're married first, 650 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: and that's how her reputation it's not hard. Yeah, we 651 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: don't want that because you know at eight when you 652 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: get married in two thousand and five, it's completely normal. Um. 653 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: And I did read that part of the appeal of 654 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: Edward is that his love for Bella propels him to 655 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: combat his monstrous urges. Interesting. Um, and I've said it before. 656 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: We've talked about in other episodes around stalking is not romantic, 657 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: but through romance between Bella and Edward displays many signs 658 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: that are precursors to abuse, if not outright abuse and 659 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: stalking and controlling behavior. Pop culture has for so long 660 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: painted that as romance, and it can be hard to 661 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: unlearn what we have taught. Like Twilight is by no 662 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: means the only offender here. This is everywhere. Right, Oh no, 663 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: it still is every day. Once again, we talked about 664 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: fifty Gray, fifty Shades of Gray, and that just happened 665 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: the news word just released a few years ago. Right, yeah, 666 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's everywhere. Um, but I did want to 667 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: put that in there. We are a where that watching 668 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: someone sleep against that will perhaps super creepy. Um. One 669 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: article claimed that the popularity of Twilight and other modern 670 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: vampires um is almost entirely straight women being attracted to 671 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: gay um okay, and women being attracted to something dangerous 672 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: yet safe, like they're powerful, but they also have a 673 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: lot of self control, like they can protect you. I 674 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: don't know, that's the whole, like being saved, yeah, and 675 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,959 Speaker 1: being pure and walking into something dangerous once again, because 676 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: both Bella and even in Trubla, that's the same idea, 677 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: and in the old school bram Strokers Jacula with Gary 678 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: Oldman in one no Writer, Um, it's the same thing, 679 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: Jesus pure woman that comes through as an idea of 680 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: saving an individual. I say True Blood did a better 681 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: job of at least I guess, because they had like 682 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: what it's like, seven seasons long of exploring her sexuality 683 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: a little more and her being a little more demanding. 684 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: She dreams that she has a threesome with them. Oh yeah, 685 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: it was very stuck. But two of the vampires though, 686 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I I don't remember that show very well. 687 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: I only watched like first two seasons and with my friends, 688 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: And again I really liked that show. But I did 689 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: like Godrick. I remember Goddrick very vaguely, and I liked him. 690 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: Alex Carscar I don't know who he was. He was 691 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: the one, oh yeah, the old human character and he 692 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: was one of the first vampires. Yes, I think it 693 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: really is a desire to see something different than what 694 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: we have seen UM. I also wanted to include in 695 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: here briefly that when I was researching this UM, some 696 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: examples included things for monsters that I found troubling. And 697 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: I think there is a layer of um able is 698 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: um and misunderstanding of mental illness that is at play, 699 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of this UM. I just wanted to 700 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: mention that I came across some examples that I was like, UMM, 701 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: the whole this whole idea is so UM. The meaning 702 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: to women in general, UM and those who identifize them 703 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: all or just anybody who UM. I mean, there's nothing 704 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: wrong in delving into an imagining world, imaginary world where 705 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,240 Speaker 1: you want more or you want something that is purely 706 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: your fantasy. You can think what you want. Again, I 707 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: still like vampires. I still think it's fantastic. I still 708 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: like the idea UM of that kind of fantasy realm. 709 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: But A I don't want to be stalked. B I 710 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,479 Speaker 1: don't want anyone to draw blood from me. So yeah, 711 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like, there is that 712 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: fine line of where do we push this idea where 713 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: women become these objects of whether it's they have to 714 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: be the representation of purity um and they should be 715 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 1: always pure and gentle and kind and and giving and 716 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: change people, which is my like my own personal struggle 717 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: in trying to be like I gotta help and fix people. 718 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: That's not the true thing, but these films oftentimes portray 719 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: that as this is the best way to be a woman, 720 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, m or this is the 721 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,479 Speaker 1: best way to be a good partner, and you start 722 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: looking at things like fifty Shades of Gray and understand. 723 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: I think what I do like about all these things 724 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: is it does portray that women are sexual and do 725 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: desire to have to be a part of that fantasy 726 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: life and to do some more exploration and that these 727 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,479 Speaker 1: conversations should happen. But they do definitely like put women 728 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: in a box, and you have to be careful on 729 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 1: both of those levels. Yeah. And also, I mean with 730 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: most media that we enjoyed, I don't know about most, 731 00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: but a lot of media is um an exaggeration of life, right, 732 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: Like that's why we're going is because it takes something 733 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: that maybe we feel and exaggerates it. Like Superhero movies 734 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: are a great example. They're still human character. I mean, 735 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: when it's done all they're human characters you can relate to, 736 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: and they're dealing with things we can relate to, put 737 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: on a bigger scale, like on a on a more 738 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: exciting imaginative scale. Right, So I think that is at 739 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: play here as well, because I mean it's just different 740 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: than a rom column. It's a little a little more dangerous. 741 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: You want something a little dangerous? Yeah, Um, so we're 742 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: about gonna wrap this up. Um, we didn't really get 743 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: into you except for you briefly, Samantha. Human monsters are 744 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: like dexter because I think that that is a different thing, 745 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: that is is a whole different level of like serial killers. Yeah, 746 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: and we kind of briefly touched on that with the 747 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 1: recent like the Ted Bundy documentary and the You on Netflix. 748 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: That is a different thing. Um, happy to talk about 749 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: it at a future date. But basically, human sexuality is 750 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: complicated and is influenced and shaped by a plesora of 751 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: thing when it comes out in many different forms, in 752 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: many different ways it does. Indeed, And um, we would 753 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 1: love to hear from listeners about your favorite monster movies. 754 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: If you've written any stories are fan fiction, UM would 755 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: love to read it. You can email us at Stuff Media, 756 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. You can also 757 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcasts and on 758 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks as always 759 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: to our superproducer Andrew Howard, Mr Howard, and thanks to 760 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: you for listening Stuff I Never Told These production of 761 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radios. 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