WEBVTT - Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:08.640 M what's lighten my dumpster? First, I'm Robert Evans hosted 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.159 Behind the Bastards. That little introduction was an honor of 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.960 my hometown, Portland, which just had a police officer murder 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.159 a man who is having a mental health crisis. And 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.360 we'll probably be lighting some dumpsters on fire tonight. Um, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.560 although you won't hear it the day that this happens. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.920 But anyway, that's all beside the point right now, because 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.960 the point right now is that I'm introducing our guest today, 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:36.959 the inimitable Matt Leabe. Hey, what's going on, Matt? How 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.680 are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm excited to be here. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.120 A big fan of the pod. Uh love me some bastards? 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.479 And you are? You do a Sopranos podcast and the 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.800 name is it really pod yourself a gun? That's alright, gun. 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.440 That's where the world's only Sopranos podcast. Don't go looking 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.640 for any other ones, because they do not exist. Little 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.680 known TV show, the Sopranos. You might have heard of 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.560 it very obscure, a niche, a niche TV show that 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.480 only people who really like art understand. Um, And that's 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.640 that's why we talk about it. We talked about the art. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.280 It's fun thinking about that because I believe the song 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.640 that introduced that show was something about waking up in 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.680 the morning and getting yourself a gun, which is what 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.039 I did this morning. You bought a gun. I did, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.280 I did. I did buy a gun this morning. Um. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:26.199 Not for sopranos like uses. Um, although I am Italian, 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.480 so you can't really know for sure. You can't really 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.720 know for sure. Yeah, you woke up with a blue 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.039 moon on in your eye and you decided I'm gonna 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.119 go get myself a gun and then I'm gonna commit crimes. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.480 And the pine Barons of New Jersey, Yeah, they do 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:40.880 that a lot in the show, right, a lot of 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.000 Pine Baron crimes. They do it at least once and 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.800 uh and it's great, yeah that they're chasing that guy 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.280 through the yeah, yeah, the Russian Yeah, and they leave 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:55.120 their DNA everywhere, well they everywhere, and you know they look. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.480 We Italians are not a subtle people. Know. They spend 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.720 that whole episode literally like dying of like cold and 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.760 they're lost in the woods, but they spend all the 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.400 time talking about how they're starving because they haven't eaten 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.720 in twelve hours. The most in the world. But I 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.680 want to hear about this gun. Oh it's just a gun, um. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.600 But today we have something much more exciting than a gun. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:22.040 We have a bastard and are bastard? Are you ready 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.560 for this? I'm so excited? Are you settling in? Yes? 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:31.360 Doctor Oz and I never introduced them like that. We're 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.560 talking about Dr fucking Oz today. Yes, that's right. Who's 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.480 the thought he'd be a bastard a TV doctor? Who 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.800 would have thought a TV doctor could be a bad man? No, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.679 they take an oath TV doctors. They say, do no 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.280 harm and get good ratings. That's the the hippocratic oath 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.680 do they do? They also oath to be bad guest 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.800 hosts on Jeopardy because he sucked and I didn't enjoy it. Honestly, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.320 if you are going up against LaVar Burton for any job, 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.200 your first action should be like, you know what, I'm 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.959 bowing out immediately. I'm not going to compete with LaVar 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:11.880 Burton fighting, Jordy fighting, Kunta Quinte fighting whatever the Reading 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:18.720 Rainbow guys name was. Yeah, yeah, No, I did not 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.239 watch him on Jeopardy, but I have seen the show 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.519 and had no idea he was a bastard. Yes, um, 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.239 he's a piece of ship. He's he's a different piece 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.799 of ship. We're also going to be talking in the 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.639 very near future about Dr Phil who's a much worse person. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.040 Dr Oz is bad for some reasons that you'll suspect, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.880 you know, the pseudoscience stuff, but also for some I 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.880 think more complicated reasons, which will we'll have us a 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.760 nice talk about at the end of this episode. So 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.400 I've always said that one of the great tragedies of 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.200 American public life is that our very best doctors are 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.920 usually like kind of shlubby dudes and ladies, uh maybe 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.960 aren't the best at at social graces, and certainly don't 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:03.800 have enough time because are wildly overworked to do TV appearances. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.760 I agree. They're not hot. I've always said the problem 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.600 they're not hot. I look at them and I'm like, you, like, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.200 we need to put a couple of billion dollars into 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.200 a national program from more funck able doctors. Come on, yes, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:21.560 doctors who fuck that's the next level of healthcare in America. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.120 It won't be universal health care, but at least doctors 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.360 will look fuckable. Now, I mean, I think the problem 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.680 is not their fun ability, because it's inherently hot to 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.080 be a doctor. It's more the fact that they're not 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.720 necessarily even the ones who are have a good bedside manner, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.960 are good at explaining things, just don't have the time 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.000 to spend a lot of it on television because they're 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.160 busy saving lives. This has led to a thriving industry, 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.400 well documented in this show of grifter health influencers and 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:50.039 scam artists selling people poison with honeyed words and practice smiles. Today, though, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.000 we're talking about a different kind of medical grifter, kind 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.480 of a grifter who helps to launder those more shady grifters, 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.240 the guy people who aren't doctors, people who have no 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.760 medical training, who are just trying to sell you nonsense cures. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.880 The guy we're talking about today exists to give them 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.120 credibility and launder them into the public consciousness. And his 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.920 name is memt Oz. Ment Oz is maybe the most 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:15.040 influential public physician in the country, possibly the world. He is, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.279 in every professional sense of the word, an excellent doctor, 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.359 exceptional eason. Even within the bounds of what it is 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.440 he is trained to do, he may be one of 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.080 the best in the world at what he does um 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.800 and he uses his you know, the thing that makes 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.680 him a bassard is that he uses these exceptional qualifications 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.200 along with his charisma his handsome face to sell millions 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.640 of people on nonsense cures every single year. And that's 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.480 that's a bad thing to do. He's kind of made worst. 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.000 We'll talk with this a lot by the fact that 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.479 he is he's a he's a he's a heart surgeon, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.640 and he's an exceptional heart surgeon. That's so sad. It's 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.040 always sad when like an amazing doctor is a piece 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.080 of ship. This is like how I felt when Ben 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.200 Ben Carson turned out to be a Trump guy, was like, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:04.599 but you're so good the surgeons, which you talk to 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.360 doctors will be like yeah, of course. It's always surgeons. Yeah, yeah. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:12.040 They're the ones who think they're God's right. They essentially 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.599 have a God complex and that they'll be really good 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.400 at one thing and then they'll also think that they're 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.599 good at like yes, politics and ship like that. I 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.800 think good surgeons are so prone to being also like nonsense, 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.240 like so many of our nonsense public doctors or surgeons. 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.040 For the same reason that so many of our terrorists 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.120 or engineers. They're people who get really good at a 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.080 specific thing, and it lets them convince themselves that they 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.560 know what they're talking about in a wider variety of 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.240 things than they really do. That's great, it's it just 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.000 makes me glad that I never, you know, got really 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:46.479 proficient in anyone's skill. Never gain skills, I never ever 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.159 learn how to do things. You'll become too smart for 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.720 yourself and think that you are God. If no one 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.560 learned to do anything, we would still be living in 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.600 the mud and eating grubs. And you know what, we 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:02.279 wouldn't have salesman oh, or that we would have very 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:07.359 little at all mimits sang his Oz was born on 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.440 June eleven, nineteen sixty two, parents Suna and Mustafa Oz, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.680 who must have fucked at some point in October of 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.640 nineteen in order to conceive him. We have to assume 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.360 his parents fucked in the October. That, yeah, he could 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:25.320 be immaculate conception. You know, possible, I would say right now. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.520 The most likely theory is that they fucked sometime in October. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.640 All his father, Mustafa had been born in Boscre, a 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.400 village in southern Turkey. He had grown up poor in 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.720 the countryside during the Great Depression. Uh. And obviously, you know, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.120 Great Depression, bad time everywhere, real bad time. If you're 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.200 like in rural Turkey, you know, um, you're you're dealing 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.560 with a different kind of poverty than even like our 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.600 grandparents dealt with here. Um. So he had to work 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.760 himself to the bone in order to make something of himself, 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.400 in order to get into medical school and distinguish himself 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.240 enough that he was able to earn scholarships which allowed 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.400 him to immigrate to the United States as a medical 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.400 resident in nineteen fifty five. So this is a this 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.760 is a hard working man, um, and a man who 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.200 has to struggle, I'm mean to guess in ways that 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.640 that are kind of difficult to imagine for most p 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.240 even as difficult as our present times are. He's like 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.440 a true lift yourself up by your bootraps kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah, 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.280 came from the middle of like nowhere, rural Turkey and 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.240 worked himself into becoming a good enough doctor that he 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.200 got you know, he was able to get over the 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:35.160 racism of the fucking nineteen fifties immigration system. You know, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.640 that's that's an achievement. Yeah, good for him. Started from 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.400 the bottom and now he's on TV. That's his dad. Um, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.600 that's his dad. That's not yeah, yeah, that's Mustafa. So 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.560 we're talking about his dad and his mom right now. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.599 His mom, Soona, came from a much wealthier background. I 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.920 don't know if this is what helped his dad get 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.320 into the country or not. It may have been. Her 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.880 father was a successful pharmacist in both sides of her 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.520 family came from Istanbul. She grew up with a lot 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.000 of money. As befits his more modest upbringing, Mustafa was 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.079 an observant traditional Muslim as soon as family was more 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.400 moderate and secular. Memit and his two sisters grew up 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.000 split between both approaches to religion. The Oz kids spent 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.240 their childhood speaking Turkish and English fluently at home, so 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.320 they grew up in a bilingual house. Mement was from 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.920 a young from a young age, ambitious, starving for success 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.360 and his father's approval. He was wont to note that 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.600 he was born in the year of the Rat according 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.880 to the Chinese zodiac. In one interview, he noted of 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.559 this quote, you run the maze. If you put cheese 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.600 in that maze, I swear to God I'll get to it, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.880 and I'll get to it really fast. But should I 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.520 be running after that cheese? Am I in the right maze? 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.080 All of these questions, which people much greater than I 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.320 am think through I put on the back burner as 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.520 I'm running after that cheese. What the fuck? Like, that's 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.280 way too much stock into the year of what animal? 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.440 Year the rat? At least he wasn't born into the 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.240 Year of the pig. And he's like, well, you, what 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.280 you gotta do is you gotta take your snout and 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.800 put it into the trough of life and just really 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.480 got to just shut your face into food as hard 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.040 as you can. You roll around in the ship, and 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.439 then you hope that someday you find another piggy to 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.520 fun and then you have little piglets. I was born 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:20.760 in the Year of the Pig, and that's why I 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:26.240 disposed of bodies for the mob. It's just what you do. Well, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.280 that's a it's a nice take on your of the rat. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.920 For him, it is it is telling because what he's 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.320 saying there is like, I don't think about why I'm 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.800 doing what I'm doing. I just I just strive to 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.080 to to achieve things, and I don't think about whether 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:42.920 or not they're good or bad. I just I have 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.040 to achieve. Yeah, he just wants that cheese. Yeah, he 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.360 wants that cheese. It's ambition without an analysis, I think, 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.280 is what you'd call it. And he's pretty open about 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.520 that now. Mustafa his dad repeatedly told the growing doctor 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.839 Oz who's not yet a doctor obviously, that when he 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.640 grown up, when Mustapa had grown up, he hadn't been 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.840 able to relax for even a second on his road 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.760 to escaping poverty and establishing himself as a cardiothoracic surgeon. Um. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.840 So he's like telling his kid as he grows up, like, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.920 you know, like if you want to succeed, you can't 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.720 relax for even a second. You can't can't take a 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.600 moment off. You always gotta be hustling. Uh. And that's 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.240 how mem It grows up. He's an excellent student, but 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.560 no amount of success is ever enough for his dad. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.520 He later recalled, I'd say I got a ninety three 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.360 on a test, He'd say, did anyone get better? That 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.840 was always the question, he asked. Sounds like a fun 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.640 guy would hang, Yeah, the school I grew up in 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.320 because of just where we were in North Texas. Like 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.000 about half of the kids in my school, um were 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.520 either from India or from China or Japan. Um. And 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.040 so you had a lot of kids who would talk 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.560 that way about their parents, right, um. And some of 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.800 them had, especially around our senior year, there were a 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.200 couple of kids who had to get like taken in 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.640 by an ambulance because they would just like in one 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.319 case easing as a result of stress. Like Jesus good 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.160 to put this kind of pressure at a kid. Yeah, 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:10.000 like straight having like nervous breakdowns just from like trying 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:14.680 to get good grades. Once again, don't get good at anything. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.840 It's not worth it that loop skills. Don't develop skills, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.320 You'll get seizures. You're at risk of seizures. You're at 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.040 risk of your of your dad not loving you. You know, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.319 you just gotta you no matter what. Yeah, exactly, stop 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.079 caring about your dad. You know, just toast coast some dirt, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:37.439 eat some grubs. You'll be fine. Yeah, start a Sopranos podcast. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.240 That's all you've got to do. Really really bringing it 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:47.400 back there. So Memitt decided to become a doctor when 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.200 he was just seven years old. Uh. He recalls standing 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.600 in line at an ice cream parlor. Quote. I remember 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.680 it like yesterday. There was a kid in front of 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.160 me who was tin My dad just to pass the time, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.480 said what do you want to be when you grow up? 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.880 The kids said, I don't know, I'm ten. My father 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.400 waited until he was out of earshot and said, I 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.160 never want you to tell me that if I ask 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.160 you that question, I never want you to tell me 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.640 you don't know. It's okay if you change your mind, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.600 but I never want you to not have a vision 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.760 of what you want to be. Moment, go kill that kid, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:22.360 kill that kid, murder that, lose your kid, and tell 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.680 me what you want to do with your life. God damn, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.920 that is way too much pressure. Way that's so much 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.080 pressure to put on a kid. And it seems like 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.240 the kids like that always end up becoming the like 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.560 going into the career that their father wanted them to do, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.440 and then eventually their dad dies and then they're like, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.280 oh fuck, I didn't get to do what I wanted 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.199 to do with my life and now I'm miserable. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:49.480 it's it's it's a real bummer. Um. It's not just 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.000 don't put pressure on people. There's plenty of grubs. By 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.360 the time Moment was ready to start school, his father 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.520 was wealthy enough to pay to send his son to 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.840 Tower Hill School, a K through twelfth grade private college 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.760 preparatory school in Wilmington, Delaware. Jesus, that sounds horrible. I know, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:13.360 it sounds like a fucking nightmare. Fancy boy uniforms ties. Yeah, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:19.080 probably like during the summer. Yeah, the fancy boy prep 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.760 school worked well enough that Memitt was accepted to Harvard, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.800 where he played football and water polo. His grades were, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.440 as always exceptional. One of his roommates later recalled, he 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.520 was very competitive. There was never any question that he 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.080 wasn't going to be a doctor. He wanted to be 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.760 a fantastic surgeon. So people around him, like, everyone kind 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.640 of recognizes this kid is brilliant. Everyone recognizes he's got 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.800 the drive he's going to achieve, you know, so good 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.560 for him. I mean, it's just like I just look 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.720 back now at my own childhood and I'm like, God 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.920 damn it. If I can think of one friend where 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.000 where I knew what they wanted to do for a career, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.520 I don't think we ever talked about like, what's your 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.080 career gonna be? No one was like I'm a doctor, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.960 you know. It was it was mostly just like, uh, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.320 you know, how's how's your hip hop album working out? 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.680 And they're like good and they're like cool, and that 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.080 was the whole thing. That's interesting. I think it was 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.000 different from me because there was definitely a lot of 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.920 pressure to have something. You know, I went to a 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.160 public school. Um, I didn't go to a private school, 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.160 but I went to a public school in my early 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.600 schooling years. Was in a dirt, poor farming town called Idebelle, Oklahoma. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.600 And the school was as good as it could be 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.560 in a place like that, Like they paddled us and 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.760 stuff like. It was not not a high end educational 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.480 but once I'll do in a in a public school. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.760 Yeah yeah, damn. They still did that in Oklahoma back 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.280 in them days. Yeah you got to sign the paddle 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.800 afterwards too. But when I was in on a third 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.640 grade or so, UM, I moved to planoh which is 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.840 a a fairly wealthy suburb of Dallas, and the schools, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.680 the public schools are very good and there's a lot 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.880 of drive to achieve. Like I said, a lot of 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.040 like kids who were really motivated by their parents to 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.160 achieve um, and so you either were kind of planning 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.200 to be a doctor or you know, something on that level, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.440 or you were planning to join the military. Because it 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.200 was Texas and I was in r OTC, So me 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:12.560 and all my friends, I think we all kind of 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.160 assumed we're all going to join the army, you know, yeah, yeah. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.840 I went to yeah, public school, you know, my entire life, 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.080 and I think most of my friends either wanted to 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:24.880 they were either going to go into the army or 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.440 they were um or they wanted to be famous musicians 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.280 and or athletes. So I see, my brother is a 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.280 doctor and knew he was going to be a doctor 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.400 from that. He's my older brother too, from the time 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.040 that he was like seven, so like, and I'm like, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:46.280 la la la, no idea. I'm just saying, like a 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.680 level of ambition at a very very young age has 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.520 always been a turn off for me when it comes 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.320 to like friends, because it's just, uh, they always have 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.760 that like sense where they're trying to get there. You're 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.200 you're some sort of stepping stone into their what ever 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.800 their career path is, and I don't like it. So 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.760 Oz took only one break during his relentless progress through 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.439 medical school. Uh, and that break was to do a 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.240 compulsory I think it was a one year term of 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.679 service in the Turkish Army in order to maintain his 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:18.919 dual citizenship. Um. Other than that straight onto like becoming 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.720 a doctor, that's the only kind of break. He So, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.720 I guess that's his gap year is being in the 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.280 Turkish Army. I'm just gonna take a break, have a 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.800 gap year and joined the military of a foreign country 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.280 that helps suppress you know, Kurdish liberatory movements and stuff. Whenever. Yeah, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:39.280 they got to stop trying to have their own thing. Yeah. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.440 He got a four year degree in biology and then 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.400 transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where he doubled up 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.800 working on both an m D and an m b A. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.000 He succeeded in earning both. So that's interesting to me. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.600 He gets both. He gets at the same time as 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.320 he's getting his m d. He also gets a business degree. Yeah, 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.080 this is a very Uh, there's a lot of foreshadowing going. Yeah, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.960 there's a foreshadow He earned both obviously with flying colors. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.200 He's an incredibly intelligent man, right, this isn't just a 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.360 guy like we'll talk about Dr Phil later. Dr Phil 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.679 I don't think is very smart. He's incredibly good at 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:15.280 reading and manipulating people. He's not particularly a genius. Mem 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.320 at Oz is a genius like I think almost certainly 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.040 is an actual genius. In nineteen eighty five, at age 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.840 twenty five, he married Lisa Limole, who was the daughter 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.439 of a cardiothoracic surgeon who worked with his father. They 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.560 met at like a party or something. This relationship gradually 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.080 opened him up to alternative medicine and Eastern mysticism because 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.560 Lisa's mom was hardcore into homeopathy, meditation, and other New 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.520 Age stuff. We'll talk about that more in a little bit. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.920 For the next decade and change, Dr Oz's career zoomed forward. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.040 He became triple board certified, which I don't know what 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.080 that means, but it sounds impressive. It's at least three boards. 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.639 It's at least three boards. That's I got zero boards 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.760 under my bottom one, not a single board between the 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.600 three of us. So we really should find a board 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.960 just to get us some certifications, guys, just to get certified. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.920 If you're a board, if you're a medical board board 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.360 out there, well, you know what. The state of New 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.080 Jersey has certified me as a reverend doctor, so I'm 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.920 one board certify. There is there a board in the 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.480 Universal Life Church because I am a ministers last Jedi night, 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.400 I'm gonna say that counts all right, I'm board stified. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.320 Can you get me painkillers? But you know, I know 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:34.960 a guy that sounds legal enough. So he starts working 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.600 as a heart surgeon um and he's very good at 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.760 being a heart surgeon. And he's not just good at 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.200 the heart surgery part, he's good at the science part. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.800 Over time, he authors hundreds of peer reviewed articles and 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.679 he's awarded eleven patents. One of them is for a 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.320 solution to preserve transplanted organs. Another is for an aortic 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.600 valve that can be implanted without open heart surgery. Like 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.240 he's he's not just really good at the mechanics of surgery, 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:05.320 he's an ex lent scientist. Yeah, Levin Pattents is pretty good. Seriously, 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.959 one might say he's the Wizard of Oz. There. I 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.840 think I read like six articles with variations of that 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.040 title on the guard. Alright, well I gotta go. Then 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:22.000 it's just a fig. Journalists can't fucking help themselves. Anybody 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.080 you see Oz and you're like, I got a callum 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:28.280 a wizard, not a call um a wizard. Dr Oz 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.439 was hired by Columbia Medical School UH as a teacher, 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.679 and as you know, he's also working. They've been a hospital. 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.080 He's working there, but he's also teaching, and he very 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.040 quickly rises to the level of full professor and becomes 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.080 the vice chair of the cardio of the heart surgery department. 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:48.440 Basically at this point, he's in his thirties. Oh man. Yeah, 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.480 Like everything I've read right now on its own would 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.280 be a career trajectory. Any doctor in medicine would envy. 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.280 Like you could die happy with that being your fucking resume. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.480 Like that's a hell of an achievement. Um. Yeah. In nine, 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.639 a New York Times profile referred to doctor Oz as quote, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.600 probably the most accomplished thirty five year old cardiothoracic surgeon 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.000 in the country. He might be the best at what 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.240 he does in the entire United States at this point. 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.159 I mean, I don't know how to measure that, but 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.840 he's he's very good. I mean I don't know any 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.480