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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire prying? It's me Jason McIntyre,

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Speaker 2: Straight boyer for Thursday, May twenty second. Recording this at midnight,

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Speaker 2: and I would say about an hour ago, I was

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Speaker 2: so fired up for this podcast. I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: we got a phenomenal guest. My main man, Dave McManamon

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Speaker 2: ESPN NBA reporter covers the Lakers, talked to him earlier

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, great stuff. Lakers fans mandatory listening, talked a

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Speaker 2: little Wolves thunder game two tonight, and then I watched

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Speaker 2: my Knicks grab a sixteen point lead in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunzi goes out and they go on a fourteen

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Speaker 2: nothing round. I'm I'm so excited. This is how excited

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Speaker 2: I got. So my daughter had a thing on Wednesday

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Speaker 2: night and I ask her earlier. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: so if we get food from here, what do you want?

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Speaker 2: And so she tells me, and then I don't like

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Speaker 2: tell her we're getting it. I just said, I just

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Speaker 2: put that out there, so I like surprise her with

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Speaker 2: the food. But of course, you know it's ninety four

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Speaker 2: ninety two Nicks in the fourth and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I can't leave, it's too close. And Brunson gets his

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Speaker 2: fifth and I'm like Brunson, come on, dog, and then

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Speaker 2: fourteen nothing run happens.

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Speaker 3: It was a great run.

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Speaker 2: It was like og Ananobi instantly went for five, and

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Speaker 2: then the Pacers did some dumb things, you know, fouling

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Speaker 2: three point shooters, and then Cat scored and og scored

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Speaker 2: and it's all of a sudden it's up sixteen. Like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I can watch it in the car on my phone.

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Speaker 2: You guys know, if you have cable, you can get

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Speaker 2: the app for that cable company and you can easily

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Speaker 2: watch it. So I'm driving and I get a call,

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Speaker 2: so I can't watch for like two minutes, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I go to.

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Speaker 3: Pick up food. Blah lah lah, I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I go back on the game as I pull it

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Speaker 2: into the parking lot for the food place, and I

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Speaker 2: see the nixer up by forum. I'm sorry, and I'm

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Speaker 2: like wait what, And quickly I slide back the bar

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Speaker 2: on how this happened, and aaron Ne Smith goes nuclear

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my gosh, all right, well we're

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Speaker 2: not gonna melt. You know, it's fine, they melted, and

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton hit what I think is one of the

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Speaker 2: ten greatest shots in the NBA playoff history, forcing overtime.

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Speaker 2: I thought the Knicks lost. So as I walk in

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Speaker 2: the driveway with the food like sweating bullets, and I'm like, okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: and of course, you know, the TV was like seconds ahead,

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Speaker 2: so they're about to inbound or og and I know

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Speaker 2: he's about to shoot the free throws and then Haliburton

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Speaker 2: The family's in the kitchen family room, and Halliburton puts

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Speaker 2: the shot up and all I say is whew as

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Speaker 2: the ball bounces up, and then no, just screamed, and

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Speaker 2: our dog, the Golden Retriever, runs over to me and

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Speaker 2: as wagon to tell what's going on, what's up?

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 2: And I'm freaking out, and I was like, it's over.

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Speaker 2: We lost. And then I was like, no, toe on

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Speaker 2: the line. They're like, all right, Nick's got it, folks.

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Speaker 2: I'm just at a loss for what just happened. And

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Speaker 2: I kind of like doing these right after as opposed

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Speaker 2: to the morning after, because right now I'm just like

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Speaker 2: my heart still racing. The shirt that I was wearing

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Speaker 2: has like sweat stains in the armpits, like I get

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Speaker 2: into these games. Yes, I did have the Knicks, though

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Speaker 2: I felt great about the bet. By the way, lost

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Speaker 2: on both game ones. I'm done. It's official. I'm done

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Speaker 2: for this round of the playoffs. Maybe I'll get back

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Speaker 2: in for the finals. No player props, none of that crap.

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Speaker 3: I'm done. It's over. I won.

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Speaker 2: I had a great NFL season, very good college football.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna catch. I'm done.

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Speaker 2: I'm just so pissed that they blew it. And what

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Speaker 2: can you say about Tybreez Haliburton. Guys, how clutch is

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Speaker 2: this guy? This is insane. As a Knicks fan, I

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Speaker 2: and I really like Tyrese Haliburton, and I start reading

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Speaker 2: about Tyree's you know, I get into these rabbit holes

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Speaker 2: anytime someone does something incredible, whether it's in the NCAA Tournament, NFL, NBA,

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Speaker 2: I just dive deep and just start reading about these

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Speaker 2: people because I'm consumed and like Tyrese, Haliburton's story was amazing.

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Speaker 2: He's like a great, great high school player in nowhere, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: None of the schools in the area wanted him at all,

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Speaker 2: land in Sacramento and the Pacers in what was just

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Speaker 2: a genius move, they get off Sibonus and they get Haliburton.

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Speaker 2: At the time, it was considered like, Okay, that's good,

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Speaker 2: but I'm always got to take the guard and you can,

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Speaker 2: you know, dig up my old tweets. I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: PACER's got a good one in Haliburton, and folks, this

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Speaker 2: guy is a star in the league. I don't see

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Speaker 3: And you remember in the first round it was like,

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Speaker 2: Boy, this Haliburton guys really freaking good. Again Haliburton, I

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Speaker 2: would take him over John Morant and people are like,

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Speaker 2: are you crazy? I don't even think that's close to

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Speaker 2: a debate anymore.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is.

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Speaker 2: Back to back seasons, folks. He's got the Pacers in

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Speaker 2: the conference finals and he's just all he's doing is delivering.

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Speaker 2: Just watch the play where he tied it. He cooks

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Speaker 2: who's the game. Guys, that's just listen. That's the stuff

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Speaker 2: dreams are made of. If you're a Pacers fan, if

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Speaker 2: live for those moments. I mean, I still I don't

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Speaker 2: I think I basically hit the two of my most

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Speaker 2: memorable shots I've ever hit as a basketball player. One

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Speaker 2: It was a halftime half court heave for three, right,

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Speaker 2: and it was awesome. I don't even remember if we

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Speaker 3: It was awesome.

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Speaker 2: And then in the New York City League, we were

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Speaker 2: back as the Knicks play drop coverage on him, which

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Speaker 2: painful of a loss as I've suffered a as a

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Speaker 2: the Jets had a really good season and the Jets

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Speaker 2: Dan Marino driving inside the ten. You can see he's

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Speaker 2: my head that the Jets went on to miss the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I think they've been like seven to four, and that

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Speaker 2: there's so many positive takeaways from this gaming for the

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Speaker 2: I mean, I saw stat the Pacers scored twenty three

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Speaker 2: That is the most in a playoff game in the

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's insane. How did the Knicks lose

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Speaker 2: I'm still attle loss, folks. If I tell you, hey,

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Speaker 2: Brunson scores forty three, Kat scores thirty five, So they

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Speaker 2: combined for seventy eight points.

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Speaker 3: Are the k next winning or losing? You would one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent say winning.

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Speaker 2: By the way, for all the SGA lovers, Brunson forty

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Speaker 2: three points on twenty five shots. That's what I like

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Speaker 2: to call efficient.

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Speaker 3: He was fifteen or twenty five.

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Speaker 2: He was unstoppable, driving only one of six from three,

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Speaker 2: which hurt. The miss free throws are what really killed

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Speaker 2: the Knicks. They missed twelve free throws in the game.

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Speaker 3: It's sung Man.

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Speaker 2: Bruns Of miss two heart, missed one, Og, miss two, McHale, bridges,

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Speaker 2: missed two bridges. I mean, every Knicks play look like

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Speaker 2: almost every Nick starter except for Og shot over fifty percent.

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Speaker 3: From the field.

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Speaker 2: They didn't shoot it great from three, and obviously it

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Speaker 2: was the Nie Smith had thirty points. Just unbelievable. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that game was crazy, and I got to give Obi

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Speaker 2: top and a shoutout former Nick. He had an impressive

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Speaker 2: that were impressive, and it was just listen, folks, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you saw the rating for thunder Minnesota and again,

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Speaker 2: and NBA ratings they don't really matter, you do the

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Speaker 2: ratings leading up to the TV deal. They got the

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Speaker 2: get to Dave mc benaman. He's covering Wolves, Thunder, he's

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Speaker 2: at ESPN, he covers the Lakers. We talk a lot

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Speaker 2: for the very end.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: David plays a lot of hoops. I have not played

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Speaker 2: come on, No, no, not many hardcore people know Terry Cummings,

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Speaker 3: It with David Benaman. You guys will enjoy it. Here's

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Speaker 2: I know what sports Fance wants, but.

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Speaker 1: For everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to straight Fire. One of

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Speaker 2: mcmanagan currently covering the Snoozer OKC Minnesota Series. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: what's up?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I feel like we did miss out a little bit

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Speaker 4: But I do find this Wolves team pretty compelling.

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Speaker 5: I've covered in the last two postseasons after the Lakers

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Speaker 5: and give us a memorable series and not anything like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, we'll obviously get to the Lakers, but let's

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Speaker 2: was your reporting that they shot like fifty one threes,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a franchise record for actually a three is in

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Speaker 5: They shot lower than thirty percent on why open looks,

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Speaker 4: The moment seemed a little big for them.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that they can't absorb that moment and

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Speaker 5: I just didn't think those guys were ready to step

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, nas Reed could not throw in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I struggle with rectifying. How does Dante DiVincenzo

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Speaker 5: I think Randall proved himself to be a really good

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Speaker 2: How about the zone? We know Denver had a lot

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Speaker 4: I didn't see a lot of it.

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Speaker 4: Regresses to the mean or excuse me, progresses to the mean.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, we're recording this right after Shaye Gilders. Alexander was

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Speaker 3: Do you have a vote? B? Did you vote for him?

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Speaker 5: He should be celebrated as a great play. Three straight seasons,

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Speaker 5: Not necessarily when he draws thirteen thousand in the game,

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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Speaker 5: It's seemingly that only becomes more of the marching orders

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Speaker 5: I think it is crafty. I don't think it's cheating

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Speaker 5: I just don't think it's as aesthetically appealing. He's a

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Speaker 2: You play a lot of pick up ball. I haven't

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Speaker 2: how annoying are How annoyed are you when some guy

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Speaker 2: it kind of feels like.

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Speaker 4: Date it's the worst.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrible. So one other thing you said, Sga

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Speaker 2: chet holmgrind protecting them like he's.

434
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Speaker 6: Got he was considered a great player. Sure, I'm just

435
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 6: saying it is there is not like he's a.

436
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: Sie No, definitely, He's not like Luca in the playoffs

437
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 2: this year. This year, he wasn't that bad last year.

438
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: We'll get the Lakers.

439
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 3: Well one more.

440
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but Dave, and again I'm not

441
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: singling on anybody, but it feels like a lot of

442
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 2: the stat guys absolutely love this OKC team. Oh, they're

443
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 2: historically great. Look at the point differential. This is one

444
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: of the great defenses ever, and I just watching them,

445
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't feel like this is an all time great

446
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: team or even close. I picked the Wolves to win

447
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: this series. I'll stand by it. Am I missing something

448
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: or maybe it's just I'm clouded by picking against OKAC

449
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: all season and thinking they're overrated. I don't see like

450
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: an all time great team or even anything close to

451
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: do you.

452
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 5: I had an NBA player tell me this this year,

453
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 5: and I won't say his name. He didn't expecially say

454
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 5: it was off the record, but you know I wasn't recording,

455
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 5: so it wasn't clear that was on the record, But

456
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 5: he said, Okay, see, he's the best college team.

457
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 4: In the NBA.

458
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 5: And his point for saying that it was basically outside

459
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 5: of Shane. He certainly was not trying to throw shade

460
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 5: at Shay. He just didn't think their talent is all

461
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: that great. He thinks they're a bunch of really good

462
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 5: role players.

463
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 4: But in the.

464
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 5: Playoffs, traditionally we're used to seeing a team get put

465
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 5: in a situation where the shot clock gets ground down

466
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 5: to four or five and then you need somebody to

467
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 5: go make a play for you. And I don't think

468
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 5: in the reason I agree with this player in some senses.

469
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 5: Jerleen Wollen isn't quite there yet, Check Holmer isn't quite

470
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 5: there yet. Certainly, you know, I think Isie Hartsteen is

471
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 5: a perfect role player in what he plays. Caruso perfect

472
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 5: role player and what he plays. But in terms of

473
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 5: the star beyond Shay, I don't know if you say

474
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 5: you know that they have it the way that say

475
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 5: Julius Randall and Anthony Edwards are for this Wolves team

476
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 5: right now.

477
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird, this, this whole Jay Dubb being a

478
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: number two.

479
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: I don't see that at all.

480
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: Somebody tried to tell me he could be an All

481
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: NBA guy this season. Dave, tell me you didn't vote

482
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: for him All NBA.

483
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: Now I haven't voted.

484
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Speaker 5: It was about six weeks ago, So I don't want

485
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 5: to misquote myself.

486
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: I do not believe I did.

487
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: Come on, but I want you wrot chance.

488
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 4: I don't want to quote myself six.

489
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Speaker 2: Best forwards or fifteen best players, and there's just no way.

490
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Speaker 5: I mean, listen, he's he's a nice player, and it

491
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 5: certainly give credit to the okay see Fronk office as

492
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 5: someone that they brought into the program, But yeah, I

493
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 5: don't he's not elevated to star status. And generally, when

494
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 5: you start talking about a team that you know is

495
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 5: going to be the darling for everyone, I think part

496
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 5: of the reason why that that player shared that to

497
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 5: me too, is that they play hard every night, and

498
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 5: veteran teams who are pacing themselves for something bigger don't

499
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 5: necessarily always do that in the regular season, and some

500
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 5: of that is a problem for the NBA product.

501
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 4: It's not something you can necessarily brag about, you know.

502
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 5: I think it's I would love to be a fan

503
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 5: and watch a team where I feel like every single

504
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: night they are giving their.

505
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 4: All like that.

506
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: It's not realistic, Yeah.

507
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 5: It's not unless you have a group where everyone's twenty

508
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 5: five years are younger.

509
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Speaker 2: So I'm looking at the contracts. Maybe it's not updated,

510
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: but according to Hoopside, Jalen Williams is making four point

511
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: seven million dollars this year, Is that right?

512
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so roughy scale.

513
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: Hartenstein's making thirty so yeah. So here's my guess is

514
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: they will be looking to move off Jalen Williams in

515
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: some kind of deal this offseason because he's not a

516
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Speaker 2: number two. If he's a three, that's fine, but like

517
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: I would rather have Austin Reeves is a three than

518
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: Jayalen Williams. And I know you're people a gonna call

519
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: you a Lakers, but I know you'd agree with me.

520
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: I think often there is a wonderful player.

521
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm going to go, you know,

522
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 5: apples apples with jam Williams and gentlemen certainly has more size.

523
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: Gentle Williams I believe is a hair younger. Yeah, Austin.

524
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 5: Austin's certainly more skilled on ball, but he has times

525
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 5: where he gets picked on defensively, So I listen.

526
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 4: I think they won't.

527
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 5: Be in a rush to move off of John Williams though,

528
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 5: even if like this thing blows up and he is

529
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 5: clearly not the number two that they thought he would

530
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 5: be because he is still young and he is on

531
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 5: a cost control contract, Like, what are you going to

532
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 5: how are you going to replace him with a guy

533
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 5: making that type of money, that with that much production.

534
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: Like just so happens. They got case on Wallace, But.

535
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Speaker 4: I think the guy that they could move on from,

536
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 4: you know, a guy like.

537
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Speaker 5: Lou Dort, I think that his number would be they'd

538
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 5: be more likely to move there. And certainly every team

539
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 5: is looking for a three and D guy around the

540
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 5: league and that he could add more value.

541
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545
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: Let's use that to pivot to the Lakers. We did

546
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: several post mortems on them. I think I'm in the minority.

547
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't think they're that far away, Dave from going

548
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: to the finals again. You had Luca for half a

549
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: season coming off missing like thirty games due to injury,

550
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: no center really on the roster, Like, oh, this is

551
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: a team to finish third in the West. Like, I

552
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: just don't understand the overreactions. It's probably just the dislike

553
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: of Lebron, you know. But I am curious in your

554
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: post mortem, do you feel the Lakers are close in

555
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: the West, like a player away. I know this is

556
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: too many questions, but I think they match up great

557
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: if they were facing Oka, see, I think they would

558
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: they win the series. They're a good matchup forro Case,

559
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: as we saw, as evidenced by their like seventy point

560
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: winning Okay, yeah.

561
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 5: Well they couldn't miss that game, so I think that

562
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 5: we have to take that into account, like sometimes that

563
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 5: just happens, and any team that hits twenty four three

564
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 5: is is going to look like But even.

565
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: The game after that, which I think was back to

566
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: back or something before the bullshit ejection.

567
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: Yet, yeah, that was that was a bad objection. I'll

568
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: give you that.

569
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 5: Let's start with the first question. Are they a player away?

570
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 5: If that player is a vertical lob threat center that

571
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 5: can be durable and be smart enough to not have

572
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: Lebron and Luca tune him out because he messes stuff out.

573
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 4: Because that was that was basically the problem of Jackson.

574
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, is a loob threat, good athlete, good.

575
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Guy, But we don't know about that part.

576
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 4: But continue, good locker room guy.

577
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: Let me let me say that, let me let me

578
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 5: put the caveat and that's a fair challenge.

579
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: You present it back, good locker room guy.

580
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: But whether it was foul trouble or whether it was

581
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 5: just not being on the same page in terms of

582
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 5: what they're trying to run quickly, was lacking trust from

583
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 5: the coaching staff.

584
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 4: From from the stars.

585
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 5: It when mattered in the playoffs, and so they didn't

586
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 5: play him. Now that is still you don't point the

587
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: finger at Jackson Hayes. You point the finger at the

588
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: front office and say why didn't you get this team

589
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: as center that they could rely on. Then the front

590
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 5: office is, okay, we tried Mark Williams failed the physical Okay, fine,

591
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: but it can't be hollow words this offseason like it

592
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 5: is fully on the front office too. Now back their

593
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: bet by training for Luka Doncic to give him a

594
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: chance to win his first championship and win Lebron's fifth.

595
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 5: You got to have a complete roster or you know,

596
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: you're just trying to use the hype of Celticts, and so.

597
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: That is the top priority.

598
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 5: I think it will come down to matchups, obviously, but

599
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 5: I still believe that.

600
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: There is is no world beater in the league right now,

601
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: especially with Tatum going down. I'm going to miss a year.

602
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: I think Boston was the best team by a pretty

603
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: wide degree when they were right.

604
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 5: But they're not going to be right and they're never

605
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 5: going to look the same again, and so the Lakers

606
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: should feel emboldened to use They have an expiring contract

607
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 5: for Gabe Vincent, they have Ruy Hachimura and Jared Vanderbilt

608
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 5: at a good numbers that you can attach a first

609
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 5: round pick to or attach adult and connect and get

610
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 5: some nibbles around the league. There there there are things

611
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 5: they can do, and I think there is a big

612
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 5: Austin Reeves question. But Austin Reeves, in my opinion, will

613
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: only be moved if someone like gas Tokupos says I

614
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 5: want to play in l A and LA only, and

615
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 5: then then the Lakers of course got to figure something out,

616
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: and then they need pieces in order to make that

617
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 5: happen interesting.

618
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: So you don't I think they would consider moving Reeves

619
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: for Kevin Durant, not that Durant's even interested in the Lakers,

620
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: and I doubt you'd want to play with Lebron. But

621
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: essentially it's like, yeah, Giannis wants to come to the Lakers,

622
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: sure will trade Austin Reeves. Otherwise he's not going anywhere.

623
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 5: I would say, based on the players that we know

624
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 5: are potentially going to be on the market. You know,

625
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 5: I am still very curious to see what Jaylen Brown does.

626
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 5: Does he want to be a part of what seems

627
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 5: to be kind of a rebuild on the fly in

628
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 5: Boston or will he say?

629
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 4: You know what, I don't. I don't know if this

630
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 4: is something that's for me.

631
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 5: And then if Jalen Brown becomes a name that's available,

632
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 5: then I think, yeah, that's sacking icy.

633
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't think I've heard that at all. Let me

634
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: call up his contract here, But I don't think Brown

635
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: can just walk You think, Boston.

636
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, yeah, trade him?

637
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: Right?

638
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 5: But if they're already trying to avoid this five hundred

639
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: million dollar luxury tax bill for next season, and Christope

640
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 5: Pozingis is expiring widely considered be moving him.

641
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: Jew Holliday is a couple of years left on his deal.

642
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: So then Jalen Brown says, Okay, you just got rid

643
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 5: of Porzingis, you got rid of Drew Holliday, and Tatums

644
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 5: aren't going to play for a year. Do I want

645
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 5: to just waste a year of my prime waiting for

646
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: this or to look better?

647
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: Or do I want to go somewhere. I mean, I'm

648
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: not reporting he's going to know.

649
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that's the type of name though that

650
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 5: would certainly interest the Lakers in parting with someone like.

651
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: What about Trey Young?

652
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 4: Trey Young?

653
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 5: They talked about him to Atlanta two years in a row,

654
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 5: and they did not include Austin Reeves when those discussions.

655
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: And Rawson's only gotten better since then, so I would agree.

656
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: I think Trey Young's stock is way down. I had

657
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: someone tell me that the San Antonio Spurs initially we're

658
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: interested in Trey Young, and Wimbin Yama's people were like,

659
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: we don't want anything to do with I guess the

660
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: work ethic, the lack of defense. The word is out

661
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: on Tree Young like he had a great early career,

662
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: but he's kind of plateaued. And they went dear on

663
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: Fox and said, I can't find another guy that I

664
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: would even consider really moving. Let me just go this

665
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: is a little crazy.

666
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: LaMelo ball.

667
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: What does he do for you as a player?

668
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: The talent is unreal.

669
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: He hasn't played in one he hasn't stayed healthy, and

670
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 5: two he hasn't played in like a month of basketball.

671
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 5: That's mattered yet in his career, let alone barely a week, right, like,

672
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 5: because they've been so far down the standings whenever he's

673
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 5: on the court. So, I mean, I can't imagine with

674
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 5: this iteration with Lebron James it being a fit.

675
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: Not no, his brother if his brother, like Lebron liked.

676
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 5: Playing with Lonzo, Lonzo just got hurt midway through that season. Yeah,

677
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 5: but I don't think LaMelo is a guy for this group.

678
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: Do you what's your and this is a tough one.

679
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Do you think the Lakers are more likely to go

680
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: to Luca or to Lebron? And ask about saying I

681
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: don't know, Hey, the six Ers are looking on Paul

682
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: George any interest? Or do they go to both of them?

683
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: Luca?

684
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: And I mean I reported around the time of the

685
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: trade deadline that Rob Plinka had a meeting with Luka

686
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: Doncic shortly after they acquired him, and in that meeting,

687
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 5: Rob presented a list of names they could potentially pursue

688
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 5: with the trade deadline approaching of three or four days

689
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 5: after that meeting, and Luca identified Mark Williams to someone

690
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 5: that he would like to play with, and Rob went

691
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 5: out and put together a deal to show that he

692
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 5: had urgency to make Luca feel like this is the

693
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 5: place for him to be long term. And Lebron's camp,

694
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: and I've already reported this on ESPN, Lebron's camp, they

695
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 5: kind of raised an eyebrow like, hey, like, you know

696
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 5: what about like Lebron's what of some improvements on this

697
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 5: roster and it seemed to ruffle some bathers.

698
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: Well, Lebron wanted improvements on this roster.

699
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 5: So yeah, So I think that in that vacuum, it

700
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 5: felt like there was a shift in the team's priorities

701
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: to put the pecking order of Lucca first and Lebron's second. However,

702
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 5: I think that would be pretty silly one considering Lebron

703
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 5: is Lucas Idol. He's been clear about that, and so

704
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 5: if he sees and perceives that the franchisees in any

705
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: way not treating Lebron James the right way after he's

706
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 5: won them a championship and decided to come to that team,

707
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 5: after they'd missed the playoffs for seven straight years and

708
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 5: got them back on the map in terms of being

709
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 5: the most relevant NBA franchise day in day out, would

710
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 5: that affect Luca's decision making come August second, when there's

711
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 5: going to be a contract extension on his plate. And

712
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 5: so if if I'm the Lakers, I am very much

713
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 5: making sure that I am getting input from both those

714
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 5: players and keeping those players lockstep as a partnership, because

715
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 5: that's the only way we make this chapter look as

716
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 5: good as it can be.

717
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: Totally agree, But I will say this and Dave again,

718
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: it's just speculative and you're watching the game and a

719
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: million things. But as that series started to go sideways

720
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: at the end against Minnesota, I just would I don't

721
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: want to be body language expert guy, but it didn't

722
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: look like Lebron and Luca were on the same page.

723
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: Now.

724
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was film review and Luca

725
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: was getting lit up and Lebron was unhappy because Lebron,

726
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: we know he's given us all chase down blocks and everything.

727
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there's like a break or anything

728
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: between these two or they're now on the same page,

729
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: but it just didn't appear as unified as it felt

730
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: during the regular season. Did you feel or see any

731
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: of that stuff.

732
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: I didn't.

733
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: I can't speak to the body language stuff, and certainly

734
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 5: can speak to the health stuff, like Lebron wasn't right.

735
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 5: You know, he had come back from the groin injury

736
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: that you know, cost him whatever it was two and

737
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 5: a half weeks or something like that, and he reaggrevated

738
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 5: against Houston.

739
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 4: Again. He didn't look physically right.

740
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 5: Luca wasn't physically right, Like Luca was a shell of

741
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 5: himself in well, in essence, looking back, it was like

742
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: a must win Game three and he can't keep food

743
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 5: down for twenty four hours. So and then you know,

744
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: Game four, it was like, you know, so Game three,

745
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 5: Lebron takes over the offense because Luca has no energy.

746
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: Game four, Lebron gives all of his effort to defense,

747
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: and you know, ultimately there's a foul. It should have

748
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 5: been called. The league admitted it. Luca was tripped, doesn't

749
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 5: go to the foul line. If he goes to the

750
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 5: foul line, he probably makes free throws. We're talking about

751
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: a two two series and maybe the Lakers, you know,

752
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: it's a totally different narrative. At the same time, Lebron

753
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: throws a bad and bounced past two and it just

754
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: it didn't sync up. I do not believe the reason

755
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: they lost the series was Lebron and Luca not be

756
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 5: on the same page though. I think the reason they

757
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: lost the series is they had an incomplete roster, and

758
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: the roster that they did have probably only had in

759
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 5: the neighborhood of.

760
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: A half dozen practices in the time they were together.

761
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

762
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not ideal.

763
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: A couple more, I think Miles Turner is the perfect

764
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: fit for this Lakers team. Obviously, he's having a banger

765
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: of a postseason.

766
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: He's going to be in high demand.

767
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: Any chance that Lebron and Luca put the full court

768
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: press on saying, bro, take a little less, we could

769
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: make up for the marketing, whould they land Miles Turner

770
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: in free agency.

771
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: See. I don't see him as a perfect fit. I

772
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 4: don't see him really as a lob threat.

773
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a or spacing yeah yeah, and certainly defensively

774
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: he can take up space.

775
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 4: He makes a lot of money.

776
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 5: I think you can get a proximate version of him.

777
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 5: So I just disagree there. So I don't think so.

778
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 5: And you know, the Lakers went down that road a

779
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 5: couple of years ago, and they could have gotten Miles

780
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 5: Turner and Buddy Healed in a deal right before the

781
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 5: start of training camp of twenty two to twenty three.

782
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 4: They would have you know, would have involved moving Russell Westbrook.

783
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: They ultimately decided that that's not the best deal we

784
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 5: can get, and they waited. And then obviously that patience

785
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 5: was good because not only did that restructured team make

786
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 5: the Western Conference Finals, but they got to Angela Russell.

787
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: They turned into Dorian Finney Smith.

788
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: And I think Dory Infinny Smith will be a major

789
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 5: contributor on this year's Lakers team. I think he did

790
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: not come in healthy, uh, and it took him some

791
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 5: time to get some rhythm. But with him having the

792
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 5: comfort factor and the health factor on his side, like

793
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I think he'll be right there with the yeah,

794
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 5: being considered the third best player right along with Austin Reeves.

795
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's spicy. Yeah.

796
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: I like DFS al right, last one.

797
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: So everybody's speculating the same names Capella, Nick Claxton, blah

798
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. What do you make of a Kungu?

799
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: I like him a lot. He's an LA kid. Have

800
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: you heard any buzz on Okungu is a potential target?

801
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: Right?

802
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: I have before the Bark Williams trade, and I can't

803
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 5: tell you all the names on that list, but I

804
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 5: actually assume he was one of the names on that

805
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 5: list that Robert Linka presented to Luca, because I do

806
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: know that the Lakers made a call to the Hawks

807
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 5: around the trade that line about Okongou. So I think

808
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 5: lop threat athleticism absolutely in terms of being a perfect fit,

809
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 5: maybe not. They might not get a perfect fit though. Yeah,

810
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 5: I think Clinton Capella of.

811
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: Seventeen eighteen probably was a perfect fit.

812
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 5: But we're twenty five to twenty six now, so that

813
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: that's kind of the spot they're going to be. And

814
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 5: I am of the opinion to not go all in

815
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 5: on someone like a Claxton, etcetera making twenty to thirty million.

816
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, but he's already under contract.

817
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: So they're going to have the taxpayers mid level available

818
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: to them. And I go out, try to get a

819
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 5: guy at that level, and if he doesn't prove to

820
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 5: be the best fit, make sure you're holding on to

821
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: one of your picks, and then you can try to

822
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: pursue something come February, because.

823
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: That position you need to have it.

824
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if that position you absolutely need to

825
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 5: have it start of training camp, you could get a

826
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 5: player to fit that role if he is the right

827
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 5: guy in February and be ready and rare to go

828
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 5: come April.

829
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: All right.

830
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Dave mc benhaman ESPN NBA reporter, David, When I start

831
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: text chains for my men's league teams, I always introduce

832
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: guys as here's my NBA comp for this guy. Need

833
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: your NBA comp for your your pick up oops game.

834
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 5: I played pretty well today. I mean not great, but

835
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 5: I played pretty well today. So I will feel confident

836
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 5: in saying this. I am a shorter Steve Novack catch

837
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 5: and shoot all day, Steve bros.

838
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: More than they signed the baseline wing to wing, catch

839
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: and shoot, catch and shoot.

840
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 5: I don't break out the belt, but you know I

841
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 5: feel that way. I feel that confidence when I get

842
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 5: it going.

843
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't up to Ryan Anderson.

844
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: No, I think Steve's better catch and shoot.

845
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: By the way, Ryan Anderson lives here in the South Bay.

846
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: And Richard Jeffersons neighborhood.

847
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: Right.

848
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: Indeed, by the way, you know that Richard Jefferson was

849
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: on our men's league team, right, I think I lost

850
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: him the championship and you see him ask hey, what

851
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: happened with the j mac Men's lea. It was one

852
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: of the biggest upsets ever. Led the whole way and

853
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: then collapse at the end. They had to twenty five

854
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: year olds who were really good.

855
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: Wait did he show up to the championship?

856
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: And he showed up to the championship. Yeah, wow, he

857
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: played a couple of games and they too, no different.

858
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: Liner's on the current team thirty five and up. Uh

859
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: but uh Liners, Liner's got that that deep stroke.

860
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 4: Man. I've I've seen some clips.

861
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 5: We're gonna play, We're gonna we'll put on our priority list.

862
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: I'll get you on the list. Sorry, Buddy good talking.

863
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: Good to see it.

864
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: Thanks Dave, see it all right.

865
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: Take care, Ja,