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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and

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Speaker 1: Buck with you, Buck? What is going on? Man? Man?

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Speaker 2: Not too much? DJ. It's funny, right, So you have

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I always think about the draft process like

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Speaker 1: So that process when you're trying to find like the

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent happens. So I mean he went from

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Speaker 1: About these players that they acquiring. I like it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Talent wise, there's no doubt despite the physical stature right,

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Speaker 1: Here's my question. And you know him, you know him

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Speaker 2: He's not going to the Dodgers. He's not going to

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Speaker 2: training wheels off our young guys and let them go Roma,

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Speaker 2: Doonza and the others. Yeah, I think this is a

432
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Speaker 2: great win for both teams, but particularly the Bears, is

433
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Speaker 2: they can add some more firepower to their defense.

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Speaker 1: I also think that sometimes a smart thing to do

435
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Speaker 1: is to look at your weak spots in terms of,

436
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Speaker 1: you know, how you evaluate some players. I mean, I

437
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Speaker 1: was in Baltimore. We couldn't, for the life of us,

438
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Speaker 1: get the receiver. Draft, couldn't draft, we couldn't. We tried,

439
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Speaker 1: We kept taking receiver, so we just didn't work out.

440
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Speaker 1: So what did we do. We said, forget that, We'll

441
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Speaker 1: get known commodities. You go out there and you get

442
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Speaker 1: Derek Mason, you go get a Kwombolden, you get Steve Smith.

443
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Speaker 1: Like they've done that throughout now the Sith. They's drafted

444
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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, but still za Flowers is kind of one

445
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Speaker 1: hit amongst a lot of other misses. So I think

446
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Speaker 1: Buffalo is sitting there going loo Khalil is a nice player.

447
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Speaker 1: They hit on him, good player. Holman hasn't worked out.

448
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Speaker 1: You can go back. You got to go back, like

449
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Speaker 1: Gabe Davis, solid solid player at the position, but they haven't.

450
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Speaker 1: They haven't knocked it out of the park at the

451
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Speaker 1: wide receiver spot. So I think it's a little bit

452
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Speaker 1: of an overpay. But I think where they are right

453
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Speaker 1: now and when now mode they can't they can't roll

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Speaker 1: the dice and go man, I hope we hit on

455
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Speaker 1: this pick. Like DJ Moore is a maiden man, you

456
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Speaker 1: know exactly who he is.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, remember this their best and most reductive

458
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Speaker 2: receiver doing that. Josh Allingtinya was a veteran that they

459
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Speaker 2: picked up Stefan Diggs via trade. So you think about

460
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Speaker 2: DJ Moore coming over via trade, people in the building knowing,

461
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Speaker 2: knowing who he is as a player in person. That

462
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Speaker 2: helps Joe Brady building offensive game plans around him before

463
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Speaker 2: knowing how to get him the ball and knowing how

464
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Speaker 2: the personality and skill is gonna mess with Josh Allen.

465
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Speaker 2: It's really important. So yeah, DJ, I think one of

466
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Speaker 2: the things that we do know that's true for great

467
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Speaker 2: evaluators and team builders is you got to be honest

468
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Speaker 2: with yourself in terms of your blind spots. And for

469
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Speaker 2: whatever reason, the organization has had a blind spot at

470
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Speaker 2: wide receiver with the draft, why not try and do

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Speaker 2: something differently. Let's try and get a veteran that's established

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Speaker 2: a known commodity, as you said, to see if we

473
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Speaker 2: can get this thing up and going.

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Speaker 1: So now Chicago picks twenty five, fifty seven, and sixty,

475
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Speaker 1: so they've got three top sixty picks. They are in position.

476
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Speaker 1: Like I know there's as a recording this, there's talk

477
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Speaker 1: like is Max Crows will be going to get traded?

478
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Speaker 1: Is he out there? Is he available? They got plenty

479
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Speaker 1: of ammunition, you know, with picks that they could put

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Speaker 1: together to go try and make that happen. If they

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Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of the key piece, go do it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen the Rams look at their window

483
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Speaker 1: and go for it. You're in a better spot in Chicago.

484
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Speaker 1: Got a quarterback on a rookie deal. You can swallow

485
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Speaker 1: a big number. So they could go out there and

486
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Speaker 1: be really aggressive with their newfound capital in the draft.

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Speaker 2: They can't, and I think that's how you should be.

488
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Speaker 2: I think you should be aggressive in this. The one thing,

489
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Speaker 2: like when a conference is wide open and you can

490
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Speaker 2: see a path to being able to get there, you

491
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Speaker 2: have to go all in. And this is a team

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Speaker 2: that is so close I would say way ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 2: But the time is now, we don't know how long

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Speaker 2: these windows stay open. Let's go and figure out a

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Speaker 2: way to get it. Done. All right.

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Speaker 1: hit on some of the defensive studs from the combine

501
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Speaker 1: right after this. All right, buck, let's jump through some

502
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Speaker 1: of these hoops here on the defensive guys and how

503
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Speaker 1: they performed at the combine. Maybe one or two names

504
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Speaker 1: that help themselves by position. I'll start us out here.

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Speaker 1: I'll go corner and this is a guy who got

506
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Speaker 1: into my top fifty after this because he's his tape

507
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Speaker 1: was good, solid, not great all star performance, but man,

508
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Speaker 1: just watching him in person, watch him move around, getting

509
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Speaker 1: a chance to see how he was built. Chris Johnson

510
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Speaker 1: from San Diego State. He jumped in that mix for

511
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Speaker 1: me six to zhoo three so six foot and three eight,

512
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Speaker 1: one hundred ninety three pounds, ran four to four flat.

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Speaker 1: That was the question, was you know the speed? He

514
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Speaker 1: more than answered that question. I thought he had a

515
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Speaker 1: phenomenal feel workout, but he was a corner. I thought

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Speaker 1: that elevated his stock with his performance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, DJ, I'm with you and there right. So I'm

518
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Speaker 2: going back and I'm looking at my notes, and the

519
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Speaker 2: one thing that I had down for him, I had

520
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Speaker 2: questions about his recovery speed. I loved everything talented, technician, press, off,

521
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Speaker 2: backfedal turn, transition, ball skills, tackler all that. I wondered

522
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Speaker 2: about the recovery speed. After watching him work out and

523
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Speaker 2: watching how he looked in those drills. Even though people say, hey,

524
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Speaker 2: those those position drills, what do you get out of

525
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Speaker 2: in corners, I think you could tell a lot.

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Speaker 1: In terms of transitions.

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Speaker 2: He was super smooth and fluid and in fact, in

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Speaker 2: my note so I have down your Davious White because

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Speaker 2: I remember your Davious White. Keman Lsu who was a

530
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Speaker 2: Technisian who played for a long time in the league. Man,

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Speaker 2: this guy reminds me of just a solid corner that

532
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Speaker 2: we're gonna put out there, and he's going to play

533
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Speaker 2: for a decade in the system that fits his skill set.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you four other names and tell me

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Speaker 1: if any of those guys stood out, he'll give you

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Speaker 1: four or five names. I it was a good group

537
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Speaker 1: of corners here. Jalen Kilgore from South Carolina, who can

538
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Speaker 1: play as a safety, can play in the nickel, he

539
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Speaker 1: can move him around. I love him for teams looking

540
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Speaker 1: for a big nickel. He's six one three eight two

541
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Speaker 1: hundred and ten pounds, ran four four flat, had a

542
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Speaker 1: good workout. Dalen Everett from Georgia. The whole question again

543
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Speaker 1: with him was speed. Always six one and a quarter

544
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Speaker 1: one hundred ninety six pounds. He runs four three eight,

545
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Speaker 1: which was a huge time. Molik Muhammad from Texas really solid,

546
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Speaker 1: good players. He ended up being six foot, one hundred

547
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Speaker 1: and eighty two pounds four four to two. Good workout.

548
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Speaker 1: Chandler Rivers from Duke ran four to four flat. Is

549
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Speaker 1: a day one nickel trading. Stukes from Arizona got he pulled,

550
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Speaker 1: he pulled as he was finishing, he ran four three three.

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Speaker 1: Those are just some of the names to me that

552
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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, guys that really helped themselves with

553
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Speaker 1: good workouts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm even add to it, DJ, because you talk

555
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Speaker 2: about all that that group or whatever, and we talked

556
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Speaker 2: about the Corner Group, and I'm gonna say, man, I

557
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Speaker 2: was just so impressed with watching them move. And I

558
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Speaker 2: know everyone talks about the forty times, but to me,

559
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Speaker 2: I got so much out of watching the drills, the turns,

560
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Speaker 2: the transitions and those things, and whether they're outside guys

561
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Speaker 2: or nickel guys, I think they're terrific. To me, I

562
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Speaker 2: got a lot of clarity coming out of this. On

563
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Speaker 2: a colden hood, right, yeah, a great coldenhood. Who's someone

564
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Speaker 2: who has been up there? You look around in the

565
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Speaker 2: list or whatever, you put them up there. But then

566
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Speaker 2: the numbers matching the game tape. To me, I was like, Okay,

567
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Speaker 2: there we go. Toolbox, versatility, footwork, fluidity, all of that.

568
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Speaker 2: Like I'm on forty inch, vertical, ten five broad, Like, yes,

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Speaker 2: I can go with him. You already mentioned Chris Johnson

570
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Speaker 2: showing up or whatever. Another guy that we're talking about, Aviana.

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Speaker 2: He had a great field workout. He just didn't run

572
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Speaker 2: a forty, but he had a phenomenal field workout. DJ

573
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Speaker 2: I wrote a plus footwork as ball skills polished, looked

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Speaker 2: like he's been doing it his entire life. I really

575
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Speaker 2: liked this cornerback class, and I feel like we talk

576
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Speaker 2: about these guys every year. The thing that stood out

577
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Speaker 2: not only the fluidity, but man, for the first time

578
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Speaker 2: in a long time, everybody that I write in my

579
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Speaker 2: notebook is darned there over six foot tall and at

580
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Speaker 2: a time when I remember everyone saying, man, if we

581
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Speaker 2: just get people five eleven or taller, the evolution of

582
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Speaker 2: the six foot corner is something that we have to

583
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Speaker 2: rave about because that is exactly how we need to

584
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Speaker 2: match up with these wide receivers on the outside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good group, man. The safety position I

586
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Speaker 1: thought was really good. I had some good names there.

587
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Speaker 1: I'll give you the flaw on that one. Anybody to

588
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Speaker 1: jump out to.

589
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Speaker 2: You so naturally people that talk about like Cinnamon from Oregon,

590
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Speaker 2: they'll talk about Budd Clark. I got to tell you

591
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Speaker 2: DJ like he didn't run fast. But the guy that

592
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Speaker 2: I'm beginning to think we'll have a future and make

593
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Speaker 2: a bunch of plays A J. Hawley from Hallay aj Halsey.

594
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm in Hawsey like like like.

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Speaker 1: He's my fourth safety buck Like I'm in on him

596
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Speaker 1: at DJ.

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Speaker 2: I just rate fast enough, explosive ball of skills and

598
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Speaker 2: a big hitter. Man. This dude just gets it. And

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Speaker 2: I can't quantify. There's nothing that can tell you, but

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Speaker 2: when I see it, I'm like, Yep, that's one. That's

601
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Speaker 2: one of those guys that we going to talk about,

602
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: always been around, always making plays. He is a really

603
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Speaker 2: good player. And four or five four to me is

604
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Speaker 2: just fast enough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he was. He was fine. I think he

606
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: ended up even being a little tick faster. Bucky. I

607
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Speaker 1: have four or five two four or five to two

608
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Speaker 1: five almost just under six foot, two hundred and fifteen

609
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Speaker 1: pounds and ran four or five two. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: my notes, like three picks, excellent eyes, can anticipate middle

611
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Speaker 1: of the field drive you watch the Florida game, drives

612
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Speaker 1: on the ball, picks it off A and M. You

613
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Speaker 1: can see his eyes and instincts play making. Billy in

614
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Speaker 1: the end zone, picked off a ball, physical form where

615
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: he shoots his gun. The question was just like he

616
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Speaker 1: didn't have elite elite you know, AA and COD, but

617
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Speaker 1: he moved around well at the at the combine and

618
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Speaker 1: a guy it's two hundred and fifteen pounds that can

619
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Speaker 1: be a forced player and can play in the dead

620
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: middle of the field. Like that's that's a good thing

621
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Speaker 1: to have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, DJ, he bounced around like Houston, New Mexico or whatever.

623
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Speaker 2: But two hundred plus tackles and fifteen turnovers responsible for

624
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, man.

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Speaker 1: As we'd like to say, if you're.

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Speaker 2: Under that, I mean, if you like good players, this

627
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Speaker 2: is one that stands out like this dB group good man. Yeah,

628
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: it's just solid all around, just really really solid, like

629
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Speaker 2: really impressed. And I'll tell you the revelation for me,

630
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Speaker 2: Like in recent study Keith Abne from Arizona State yer

631
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Speaker 2: skating king, three times national champ, Like, hey, yeah, look

632
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: I like it. And so as the league is evolving,

633
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: we talked about whatever day two, early day day three,

634
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Speaker 2: there's gonna be some really good guys that come off

635
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Speaker 2: the field, off the board to play for a long time,

636
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Speaker 2: to make contributions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to the linebacker position. I thought this

638
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: linebacker workert was phenomenal. I didn't like the linebackers caught

639
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: the ball as well as any linebacker group I could

640
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: ever see. Obviously, Sonny Styles there at the very top,

641
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Speaker 1: he put on a show. Anthony Hill Junior from Texas,

642
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Speaker 1: I mean, he he's got a chance to go in

643
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Speaker 1: the first round.

644
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Speaker 2: Man, I don't think enough people talk about him. I know,

645
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: like I really don't six two, two thirty eight four

646
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: or five to one forty thirty seven ten five brought

647
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: one to five eight ten split and when you watch him, man,

648
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 2: if you like big, fast and physical, like no Key

649
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: shows up. I mean like I just for whatever reason,

650
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: he kind of flies under the radar. But man, really solid. Man.

651
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me at all if he ended up

652
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: being the second linebacker, if he goes ahead of C. J. Allen,

653
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shock me at all. No, I think those

654
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: guys I think are going to have a shot of

655
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: going back on one, like they're both really good players.

656
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: And then I had no choice but to put Jacob

657
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Rodriguez in my top fifty. I put him at forty

658
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: five out of Texas Tech. Me, you're in four five seven.

659
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: He's six two and three eighths two hundred and thirty

660
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: one pounds. The stats, he's like the stats stuff for extraordinary.

661
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: He's got thirteen career force fumels, four picks this year.

662
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: Has a quarterback background. He sees things, he shoots his gun.

663
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: He's got a good blitzer. He's just some of the

664
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: he's excellent in zone cover, zone dropper. He's not some

665
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: of the stop start stuff. And man like, okay, that's

666
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: his that's his glitch. But at some point time, Bucket's

667
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: like you run out of reasons why you're not having

668
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: the guy in there like.

669
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: So so pre combined notes Ballhawk always around the action,

670
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: A plus instincts and wearing this diagnose and go plays

671
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 2: at warp speed. Right, the biggest thing was size speed.

672
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Question Mark plays bigger and faster than his physical dimensions.

673
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Special teams demon Then you watch him, yeah, move around,

674
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: he puts together the measurements.

675
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: You're like, ah, yeah, good player.

676
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: Now I really can sell them in the meeting room.

677
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: You talk about in your top fifty. Yeah, this dude,

678
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: he did. This dude goes top middle of the second round.

679
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: He's going yeah, I mean yeah, he's a fantastic football player.

680
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Lewis continued his ascension. You know, we've talked about

681
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: him a bunch on here before. You've talked about him.

682
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Is he a safety as a linebacker. He's a football player.

683
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: He's really freaking good. He ran four or five three

684
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: little undersize, don't really care. He'll find his way on there.

685
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: Heineke had a good workout for six to two, justin Jefferson.

686
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: I thought would run faster out. They were talking to

687
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: me like he could run the high four threes. He

688
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: ended up running high force five herein four five seven.

689
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: I think he'll test faster at his pro day. But

690
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: a good player, So I mean then it's a it's

691
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: a deep group, solid group of linebackers. I think, uh

692
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: maybe coming into it and coming out of it, that

693
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: was probably the one position where I was like, okay,

694
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: but that that group is much better than I even,

695
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, thought coming into it, like there's more.

696
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: Depth there, Yeah, a lot a lot more depth, A

697
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: lot of good guys. Jake Golda from Cincinnati's another one, big, strong,

698
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: physical Uh there. Look, there are a ton of guys,

699
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: and it's funny. I had a conversation with he want

700
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: my ty Bowles as we were walking across and we

701
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: were talking. He was talking about the linebacker group, like, man,

702
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: there's some guys, some guys this year, just some guys

703
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: that can play. Everyone is talking about sunny styles and

704
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: those guys. But just the depth at linebacker, the off

705
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: ball linebacker, that is a huge thing. And being able

706
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: to get those those lynch pin pieces on the second

707
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: level critical to being able to play elite defense.

708
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: No question. All right, let's get to some of these

709
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: other positions here. Let's get to the D lineman edge

710
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Rusher's buck. We talked about Malachi Lawrence a little bit earlier.

711
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely helped himself with a phenomenal workout ran As you know,

712
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: he was flying super, super explosive. Anybody else on that

713
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Edge Rush group that jumped out at you? Man?

714
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: So like when I when I look at the edge Rushers,

715
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: like we already talked about MALICKI Lawrence, I'm gonna say

716
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: this because DJ I felt like there's two things. I

717
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: felt like I was the low gown David Bailey heading

718
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: into the combine because maybe because he doesn't wear tape

719
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: or wristbands or whatever.

720
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Just it's un natural. Baby, there's no flash.

721
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: But like to me, I even wrote down, man, he

722
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: was even better than expected in terms of the way

723
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: he moved around in space. I think the guy that

724
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: a lot of people gon have questions on and it's

725
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: not due to the physical uh like athleticism stuff.

726
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Cash is how how Yeah, I think thirty inch arms,

727
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: but thirty and change.

728
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thirty inch arms, but DJE eight ten times

729
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: time with you know guys for the fastest coming off

730
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: the ball vert and broad jump that. But when I

731
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: just think about the quickness and then I watched that

732
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: head off EJ like his get off is ridiculous, and

733
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: the way that he moves at angles and those things,

734
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: trying to find the sweet spot for where he comes

735
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: off the boom.

736
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Like I down a little bit, I mean spoiler, so

737
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean so I want to have

738
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: this question. So he's I dropped him to twenty eight,

739
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: so I still in the first round, but I mean

740
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: buck they were telling me, I was hearing stuff that

741
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: he might run in the four fours. So and I

742
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: know obviously ten times excellently. There was talk today would

743
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: be even better than what it was. So to me,

744
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: it was like it's got to you got to kind

745
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: of be exceptional to kind of make up for some

746
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: of that, like Bain. I didn't even move Bain much

747
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: on my list because I know I knew he was

748
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: short on'm going into it. He knows how to play

749
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: with it. He's his power. He overcomes it. How there

750
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: are times where I see he does get swallowed and

751
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: can't get free. Like he's got to win. We always

752
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: say it, right, you got to win. He's got to

753
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: win early, like he got to win early in the down.

754
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: So here's a question. If we were in the draft room,

755
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: and this is kind of stuff. I guess we're probably

756
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: do it on path here in a little bit. But

757
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: when I was putting this thing together, I ended up mezzador. Okay,

758
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: I thought I was a mesador Howel, Okay, I'm like mesador.

759
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: I just I know exactly what I'm buying there, Like,

760
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I know what even though he's a little older, I'm like,

761
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: I think I've seen that really play well at the

762
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: NFL level, So I'll go a mezzador. This is the

763
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: one that I I went back and forth on numerous times,

764
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: but I ended up I ended up flipping it. So

765
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: I had cashus Howel over TJ. Parker. I ended up

766
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: putting TJ. Parker over Casius Howell. Interesting bigger, he's bigger, heavier,

767
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: he's got I mean, look, he's had a really really

768
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: good twenty four. Twenty five wasn't as good, but he

769
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: finished up strong in South Carolina, a great Senior Bowl week.

770
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: He ran four six eight. He's longer, he's younger. I

771
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: think he's younger. I have to go look at the

772
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: age and pull that up and believe he's younger. So

773
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: I was kind of looking at all those things and

774
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm like I think that profile. I just feel like

775
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm a little more sure there. I feel like I

776
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: trust TJ. Parker a little bit more there.

777
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, right, Like, so you just talked about like

778
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: all the Clempson guys had a disappointing twenty twenty five

779
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: se He's a new system, different system, Tom Allen, all

780
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: those things. TJ. Parker's super speedy pass, rush of great

781
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 2: instincts and away and his first step quickness closing burst

782
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: stands up. You talk about the size difference in those things.

783
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: It literally comes down to are we cool with proto

784
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: types or are we willing to go a little off to

785
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: grid and take an outlier? Normally, on average, outliers are

786
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: outliers for a reason, and they typically don't do what

787
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: we want them to do because they're outliers. And and

788
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: that's the debate. And you really have to be confident

789
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: in the system being able to showcase Howell's ability to

790
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: get to the passer versus Howell or Parker being able

791
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: to win just on their own accord with their traits.

792
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: And I just pulled it.

793
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: So how about this, Like would this surprise you if

794
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: I when you look at this, like TJ. Parker at

795
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: a one six one ten cash is howls one five eight,

796
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: TJ Parker jumped thirty four inches how thirty two and

797
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: a half TJ Parker ten broad how nine to seven.

798
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: Like those are good numbers. Man, he's better outside just

799
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: being a little bit behind him in the ten is

800
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: even he's there's more dynamic and the explosives.

801
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: It's a good athlete. And for the people listening in,

802
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: like did DJ And I'll tell you, like normally in

803
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: meeting rooms when you have guys that have similar grades,

804
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: we go to these things, right, trying to be the tiebreaker,

805
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: like and those dimensions in those things, and so that

806
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 2: will tip the skills of balance in Parker's favor, uh

807
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: in several meeting rooms. It Man, it is such a

808
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: close debate, but man, the arm length matters. And then

809
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: when I don't know if we are if Jack or

810
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: Tony put that out there about only two guys first

811
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: round is with thirty inch arms.

812
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're making one exception with Bain, I'm

813
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: like maybe that was what it was. I was like,

814
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: I'll make one exception, but I can't.

815
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so yeah, because because then we're saying, hey,

816
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: two guys are going to be the exception that it

817
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: just happened to be in the same draft class. One

818
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: of the odds that, yeah, the odds normally don't roll

819
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: in your favor.

820
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: The one guy that I'm gonna that I've got some

821
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: clump of guys I want to look at, and I

822
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: just updated the fifty, so this will have to be

823
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: in the next one. But like there's one guy, you know,

824
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: there's always we always talked about this. I did it

825
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts that one year where I'm like the

826
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: last it was the last update. I'm like, I won't

827
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: be able to live with myself if I don't have

828
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: this guy in my top fifty. Maybe maybe it doesn't work,

829
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: but there's just something in my gut saying he's too competitive,

830
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: he's too tough, the wiring's too good, Like he's gonna

831
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: make it, he's gonna do so. I ended up putting

832
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: Hurts in at the end, and I'm that glad that

833
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: I did. But every year there's a guy like that,

834
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, this year, the guy I don't have my

835
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: top fifty. I've never had him in my top fifty,

836
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: but I kind of just the more I want, the

837
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: more I've seen him doing other guys, and then when

838
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: I hear him talked about the wiring all that stuff,

839
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, gay Bacchus to me, I think he's

840
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: going to be a guy for me that I'm gonna

841
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: have to He's too tough, he's too competitive, Like you know,

842
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: he's the one for me that I want to just

843
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: go drill down more. But I'm gonna tell you right now,

844
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: he's probably when it's all said and done, just so

845
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: I can sleep well at night on draft, you know,

846
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: during the draft, I'll probably get him in there.

847
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: Uh, DJ, team captain, twenty seven career sacks, seven for

848
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: forest fumbles, consistent over multiple years. Power outworks outlast rip move,

849
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: long arm, swipe, has a toolbox versus the inside outside

850
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: three point two point explows the first step, high effort

851
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: energy player DJ, those guys rarely missed. Now, they may

852
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: never be the top end, but they don't miss if

853
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: they play hard. And playing hard as a skill, I

854
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: haven't like the grade ends up being like a second

855
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: round grade. But yeah, DJ, like big ten leader in sacks.

856
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: I mean all of these things, all of these things

857
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: that we talk about, like you just kind of checking

858
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: these boxes. Man, it's already getting the top fifty. That's

859
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 2: all I say. Everybody can't make it when you put

860
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: a nice cut down.

861
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: Thing like, he didn't do anything. He didn't work out,

862
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: and I don't think he'll be an elite elite tester,

863
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: but he's just a player layer anyways. That's some of

864
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: the struggles we have in the draft room. We give

865
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: a little sneak peak there, dts Buck what jumps out

866
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: to here with that group?

867
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: I mean Kayler Banks is the one that jumps out,

868
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: and he jumps out for two things, right. He jumps

869
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 2: out for the flashing, right because I have down biggest

870
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: boom or bus prospect in this thing, because man, the

871
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: booms are there, like the flashes that you see on

872
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: tape back in twenty twenty four, the flashes that you

873
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: saw at the Senior Bowl, the measurements and the dimensions

874
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: that he shows up in in Indy, all those things

875
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: you love six six three twenty seven, you know whatever

876
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: you ran to forty n five something like, I mean

877
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: all that is five four thirty two vert nine to six.

878
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: But then he doesn't finish the workout because there's a

879
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: cleat issue with his foot and so it's it's exactly

880
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: he's always been for Yeah, I mean, it's exactly who

881
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: he's always been. And so you're like, what do we

882
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: do with this? But talented as they come, love the

883
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: athleticism and the phenom and what he could be is

884
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: I just don't know what he's going to be.

885
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I just haven't been able to talk myself

886
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: into it on him. It's just that thing. And you

887
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: talked about the boomer bust, but to me like that,

888
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: I've just put him in the thirties. I just feel

889
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: to me, I want to have somebody else be my

890
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: first pick, and I'll have him be my second pick,

891
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: and well, hopefully I hit big, but at worst I've

892
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: got my I already got my first pick in the

893
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: barn there. I think all these dts, I don't really

894
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: have any of them as first round guys. I think

895
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: there's more buzz around the league on peter Woods than

896
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: anybody else to get up in there.

897
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: He's just really really gifted. I compared him to Christian

898
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: Wilkins in terms of his athleticism and a building.

899
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: He just lost so much weight. Like he played twenty pounds,

900
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: he's twenty pounds lighter at the combine than he was

901
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: in the spring last year. Yeah, and I saw him

902
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: get thrown around a little bit this year, so I

903
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: don't know that was one. Almost some of these guys,

904
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: I think, I gotta get quicker, I gotta get faster,

905
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: I gotta lose weight. I'm like, I kind of liked

906
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: them better in twenty four he was a little heavier.

907
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, give me a take on Zany Durant. Yeah,

908
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Zam Durant is super explosive, man. He's ran a stupid

909
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: time at four seven five. I have him. I have

910
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: him as my seventh DT with a sixty one, so

911
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: it kind of puts him in that like third round,

912
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: third round range. He's got quick feet, can wrap around blocks,

913
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: he can really close and finish. He's got a lot

914
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: of twitch, which you saw there. He was good at

915
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He's great on games. You know, He's just

916
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: his game is going to be all predicated on speed

917
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: and quickness, and if you're an attacking front, like I

918
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: was trying to think of, uh, you know who the

919
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: the attacking fronts have passed around Sheldon Rankins over the years,

920
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: Like he just kind of.

921
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: Goes, oh, yeah, he's been He's been that guy. Yeah.

922
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sheldon Rankins is kind of one that sounds similar

923
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: to me when I when I look at his stuff.

924
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, urgency is there, violence is there. He's great on

925
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: the move. Uh, fast hands, fast feet, one gap system

926
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: fit all of that. Right. Size is a bit of

927
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: an issue because six one two ninety is interesting in

928
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: terms of are we playing he can get pinballed in there.

929
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: But then I think about the move, Right, if we

930
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: get him on the move and he's playing and attacking edges,

931
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: he creates disruption. And I'm trying to figure out how

932
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: many teams utilize that and does that make him a

933
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: rotational player, noise starting player. Yeah, I just.

934
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Think of the attack teams, the attack teams that are

935
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: that jet front four man attack fronts. That's Allah, that's uh,

936
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: that's Cascerque with the with the forty nine ers. Let's see,

937
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: uh who else?

938
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: I mean, like Houston.

939
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: Texans, the Houston's are the front.

940
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So like you're right, it's funny. Just follows

941
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: Sheldon rank his career and you can find that guy.

942
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, DJ he is Jets used to be that. Yeah,

943
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: he's interesting because to me, like I have in my notes,

944
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: like he's right on that that that border like right

945
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: second third round, But a lot of it depends on

946
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: what the team needs. But his performance was great. I

947
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: mean he showed up. Did his four seven five forty

948
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: is stupid for a defensive tackle, thirty three and a

949
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: half inch vertical all that. He is a he's interesting

950
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: and he's interesting just to kind of watch and see

951
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: how he ends up playing.

952
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like Grayson Holton from Oklahoma. He ran

953
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: four eight too. At two hundred ninety three pounds almost

954
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: sixty three. He's got six sacks, so he's got production.

955
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: You see the get off when you watch him. He

956
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: can bowl, he's got power at the explosive hands, he

957
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: can stack and stun in the in the run game.

958
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: So I had him and Durant literally right next to

959
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: each other. One ran four seven five, One ran four

960
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: eight two. Uh, you know, Grase and Halton is a

961
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: little bit bigger. But to me, those guys are are

962
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: right there behind that first clump of guys. Lee Hunter,

963
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 1: I know one thing, Buck, he can't jump, that's for sure.

964
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: Hal Mowey, that was tough, but he ran well for

965
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: his size. He ran fine. He ran a five point eight.

966
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: You look at his ten. I was pulling that up

967
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: a minute ago. Like ten time wise wasn't bad for

968
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: a guy who's uh, you know, who's big and long,

969
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: long arms everything else. So Banks was a one seven

970
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: six and he was a one seventy nine, and I

971
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: just saw like with him, I saw, you know, as

972
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: a football player, like I just go to that Oregon game.

973
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: I never saw Banks put it a whole game together

974
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: like that. And then I saw him go to the

975
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl repete. I'm like, I get it. He can't jump,

976
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: I know that, but he's can He's got lateral range,

977
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: he runs, he runs, he plays hard, he's got a

978
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: kind of a little different body type. But I stuck

979
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: with him as my top DT. But Buck, I mean

980
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: I have him. Thirty four for Hunter, thirty five for Woods,

981
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: thirty six for Banks, thirty nine for McDonald. Like I

982
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: I would feel more comfortable knowing I get one of

983
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: those four guys in the second round versus maybe taking

984
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: one of them in the first round. I'd be okay

985
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: with any of the four.

986
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there will be some of those challenges,

987
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: And I think we've seen this a ton, right, Like

988
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: just from a mock draft standpoint, like we always start

989
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: with those guys populating the bottom of the first round,

990
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: and it's rare that those guys go then because it

991
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: reminds me of Johnny Newton and know those guys when

992
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: they came out, he was always at the back end

993
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: of the first round. When we talked about Dini gos

994
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: top of the second That probably is a similar path

995
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: for Banks and McDonald and those other guys. I just

996
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: think you're gonna find value in maybe potentially other positions

997
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: before you get there. And because there's so much like

998
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: those are second round guys, man, Yeah, there's so much

999
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: uncertainty about what they're going to do and how they're

1000
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: going to impact the game as rotational every down players,

1001
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: it'll probably leads you to go to another position.

1002
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: So this is another thing I think people wouldn't know

1003
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: how it kind of goes down in the room. But

1004
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: when you're in the room, this is a nuanced conversation,

1005
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: but it is Hey, okay, say you like, say you

1006
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: had Banks as your guy, right, well, then I'm not

1007
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: going to argue with you whether Banks is better than

1008
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: these guys. I'm going to argue with you and say

1009
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: is the gap significant enough between these guys that we

1010
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: need to take banks at twenty when I can get

1011
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: one of these other three guys at forty, Like that's okay,

1012
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: that's right.

1013
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 2: You can say he's.

1014
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: Better, we can pay, but I don't want to take

1015
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: him there. I'm gonna get one of the other three

1016
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: guys that were just a little bit lesser version.

1017
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's the thing when if you're

1018
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: in charge and you're like, hey, look I'm not gonna

1019
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: fight you, like, look, hey put them up first, but.

1020
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Ye were taking them.

1021
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: He's up there, so we got it. Everybody, everybody good, cool,

1022
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: he's up there, but we're not taking them because the

1023
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: cluster and we talk about cluster busters and all that

1024
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: other things. We'll do this on path where we put

1025
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: all these guys that are simply greaded and we'll rerank

1026
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: them in order. But we'll also look at that position

1027
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: in comparison to other positions and say, is the second

1028
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 2: best the difference between two and three at wide receiver

1029
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: bigger than the difference between all these guys the defensive tackle.

1030
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: Because if it's a bigger jump, let's make sure we

1031
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: attack this position wide receiver first and come back to

1032
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: the dts because all these guys are about the same.

1033
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: So the real life scenario I think teams are going

1034
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: to have in the back of one is if we

1035
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: want an offensive tackle, there's seven. Okay, after seven, it's

1036
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: a steep cliff when you get to the next guy.

1037
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: So do you want to be on the front of

1038
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: the D tackle group or do you want to be

1039
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: on the back of the offensive top Because I can

1040
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: tell right now if you if you don't, if you,

1041
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: if you avoid the front of the D tackle group,

1042
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: more than likely we're still going to get a player.

1043
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: Even if we get down to Durant Holton and those guys, like,

1044
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a guy where there's not I mean

1045
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: he had those guys might end up being better than

1046
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: that top group of dts. But like, I'm fine if

1047
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: I end up on the back of that. But I'll

1048
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: tell you right now, I don't want to miss the

1049
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: train on the tackles because if I miss one of

1050
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: those first seven, I can't start these other guys after

1051
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: that next year.

1052
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: Huge difference, And that's part of you know, we've talked

1053
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: about this, the horizontal board and a vertical board. That's

1054
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: part of why we look at it to see how

1055
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: those clusters fall out and where the ebbs and flows

1056
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: of the draft potentially could be. And yes, with all

1057
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: of those defensive tackles, I'm looking at the grays that

1058
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: I have, he said, Oh, I have. All of them

1059
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: have like similar grades affecting there. Yeah, they all kind

1060
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: of stack together. So you do have to make a

1061
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: decision with DA And we've already talked about the offensive

1062
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: tackle class. But yeah, there's definitely a lot to talk

1063
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: about when it comes to those things.

1064
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there you go. We went a little longer

1065
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: on that one. I was talking to somebody of the

1066
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: combine who said, man, I love your podcast. We listened.

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Speaker 1: I listen on the treadmill every day. I said, well,

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Speaker 1: we're not getting you in shape and we're giving you

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Speaker 1: some of these shorter podcasts. So this one we challenge

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Speaker 1: them a little bit, like get out their stay on.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's right, get get get your full

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Speaker 2: three mile running, like, don't short, don't put it on us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we hit all the positions, right, We got the dtails,

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Speaker 1: the edge of the linebackers, safeties, corners. So there's your

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Speaker 1: your defensive Combine review there all right, anything you want

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Speaker 1: to before we get out here. Buck, No, it's not

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Speaker 1: doing the kickers, gaping.

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Speaker 2: Chickens and butters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get there, all right. That's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us. Appreciate you. See next time right here on

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Speaker 1: with the sticks.

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Speaker 2: He wants to be