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Speaker 1: It's all about the numbers. Welcome bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Zach Kerstman joins me. We continue to discuss the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: seven player draft class, who on Wednesday receive their jerseys

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Speaker 1: or jersey numbers. That leads to a conversation about roles

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Speaker 1: for these rookies. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Who to Baker?

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Speaker 3: What Heart? What rent?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals

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Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 1: He's it again, So more hurry magic whow Here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 1: So not sure if you notice this, Zach or not,

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Speaker 1: or if anyone notice this. I know it caught up

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Speaker 1: to me kind of quickly and suddenly. But as we

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Speaker 1: record here on this Wednesday, it is the final day

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Speaker 1: of April. We got in the calendar to May on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you just stepped back for a moment,

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Speaker 1: the season ended in January. Here we are about to

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Speaker 1: begin really the off season on field program in mid May,

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Speaker 1: and it certainly seems to me maybe I'm speaking out

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Speaker 1: a turn that it did fly by.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we were just here talking about Marvin

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Speaker 3: Harrison Junior being the Cardinals fourth overall selection. So to

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Speaker 3: think that there's been a full season. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: Trey McBride became the highest paid tight end in the

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Speaker 3: NFL and then became not the high then became the

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Speaker 3: second highest paid tight end in the NFL. A lot

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Speaker 3: has happened in the three hundred and sixty five days

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Speaker 3: since the previous draft when that was. But yeah, you

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Speaker 3: read the calendar correctly, Craig, It's about to be.

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Speaker 1: And it is a big month. May is a big month.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think at this point every month in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League is a big month. But the

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Speaker 1: dates that everyone needs to circle Wednesday May fourteenth, not

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Speaker 1: only my birthday, by the way, for everyone that wants

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Speaker 3: Why I'm going on a cruise to celebrate for your birthday.

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Speaker 1: But the schedule gets released on May fourteenth, and that's

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Speaker 1: always an interesting time because we always know who, we

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Speaker 1: know where, we just don't know when it becomes a

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Speaker 1: nice exercise. But I am looking forward to see how

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Speaker 1: the opponents as far as the order in which weeks

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Speaker 1: and in the bye week, and I mean primetime and

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Speaker 3: So let's confirm here there is gonna be a birthday

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Speaker 3: cover two.

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Speaker 1: There will be a schedule release cover two.

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Speaker 3: Whoever's on that, whoever's on that broadcast, we got to

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Speaker 3: make sure that they have the correct schedule. The date

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Speaker 3: circled that's in me, May fourteenth, because that's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be your birthday. Can'tlie you're miss schedule release.

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Speaker 3: I didn't plan it. Roger didn't consult me, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: just he didn't consult you either. I think it's pretty

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Speaker 3: messed up that he's, you know, overshadowing your birthday.

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Speaker 1: That's not that big.

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Speaker 1: Yes, twenty six, twenty fifth two times over? Even more

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Speaker 3: On there also another day in May, of course, Rookie

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Speaker 1: One week from Friday, one week from Thursday. Rookies will

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Speaker 1: We've heard from Walter Nolan third, but those other six

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Speaker 3: They're officially cardinalized. They come in and they become not

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Speaker 1: How about Walter Nolan the third getting ninety seven, Will

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Speaker 3: Going from thirty six to then thirty two and then

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Speaker 1: Who had that being mentioned on Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: I don't think anything to prove to himself, but maybe

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Speaker 3: And I look at zero two and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: We've got news on Josh wet here in a moment.

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Speaker 3: you have to be able to, you know, organize and

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Speaker 3: conduct what's happening there on the defensive side the ball,

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Speaker 3: and be not just not just to communicate, but to

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Speaker 3: communicate effectively, to really establish your dominance and to earn

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Speaker 3: the respect of your teammates. As a reason why he

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Speaker 3: was the blockover recipient wearing that number zero. So I'm

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Speaker 3: curious to know if Will Johnson got you know, priority

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Speaker 3: because he's the second round pick versus Cody Simon as

444
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Speaker 3: the fourth rounder, but he wore number thirty before he

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Speaker 3: got to zero. I'm just happy, even as a rival,

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Speaker 3: being a penns data lum, to see that he still

447
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Speaker 3: has that block zero somewhere in his jersey.

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Speaker 1: You also have a Keen Davis gaitherit in that inside

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Speaker 1: linebacker room, Owen Papo as well. And I know I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna bring up something again. There's a lot of people

451
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Speaker 1: that will have recency bias, even though it's a previous regime.

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Speaker 1: But once upon a time, the Cardinals drafted Zavon Collins

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Speaker 1: to be that green dot the middle linebacker. Didn't quite

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Speaker 1: work out that way. You still had Jordan Hicks in

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Speaker 1: the room and he was that guy that was controlling

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Speaker 1: the defense. But and I go back to a conversation,

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Speaker 1: this was when Collins was the selection in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one Colleague of Ours Lorenzo Alexander, former Cardinal player also

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Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills in twenty eighteen, when the Bills

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Speaker 1: in the first round selected Tremaine Edmonds and immediately gave

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Speaker 1: him their green dot. And he warred well, played well,

462
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's okay, could Zavin do it.

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Speaker 1: That was the connection now first round versus fourth round.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, Cody did it at Ohio States.

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Speaker 1: It's a top five program, exotic schemes going up against

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Speaker 1: big time talents in the SEC and the Big ten,

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Speaker 1: Big twelve. Now, all of a sudden, can you make

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Speaker 1: that transition? Is the defensive playbook in the NFL going

469
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Speaker 1: to be something that he'll learn right away? Will his

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Speaker 1: head be swimming or will it be less complicated? Because

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Speaker 1: and I've heard Paul talk about this a lot, the

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Speaker 1: fact that maybe Nick Rolis doesn't need to be as

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Speaker 1: exotic with his defensive schemes because of the personnel that

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Speaker 1: they've added along that front, and you can kind of

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Speaker 1: play more of a base defense.

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Speaker 3: Well, when we come down to with the term exotic,

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Speaker 3: that is Nick Rolis's specialty is the disguises that he

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Speaker 3: has out there, because there are so many times where

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Speaker 3: a quarterback in Matthew Stafford, one of the best in

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Speaker 3: the in the league still at this point, talks about

481
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Speaker 3: it how difficult it is to diagnose what coverage they're

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Speaker 3: actually in. And as a quarterback, you don't want to know,

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Speaker 3: You don't want to notice the coverage before it's you know,

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Speaker 3: you want to notice it before it's too late, and

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Speaker 3: at a lot of times with the Arizona Cardinals, you

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Speaker 3: don't know what the coverage is until the ball was snapped,

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Speaker 3: and you see the defensive backs go into their certain

488
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Speaker 3: zones and schemes and everything of that nature. So if

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Speaker 3: Cody Simon comes in, he seems like a very smart guy.

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Speaker 3: He's earned a lot of praise from his coaching staff

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Speaker 3: at Ohio State and Jim Noles defense out there. Now

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Speaker 3: I could talk about Jim Knowles because he's a new

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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator at Penn State, but Jim Knowles's defensive scheme

494
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Speaker 3: at Ohio State was one of the best, and Jim

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Speaker 3: Noles could have had head coaching opportunities, he stayed as

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Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator and he trusted Cody Simon for the

497
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Speaker 3: last two seasons, especially to be that green dot. And

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Speaker 3: they've gone the job done, they won the national championship,

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Speaker 3: and now he gets to come into this scheme and

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Speaker 3: I don't want Nick Rolis to have to change up

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Speaker 3: what his designs are and things of that nature, because

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Speaker 3: with the defense that the Cardinals had in the previous

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Speaker 3: two seasons, you could say that the roster. Now it's

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Speaker 3: very different than what it was, and the defense still

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Speaker 3: always played very hard a fight they had, They were competitive,

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Speaker 3: and they were a team. They were a defense that

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Speaker 3: a lot of opposing offenses might not have feared, but

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Speaker 3: they respected. And I think now you have the pieces

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Speaker 3: for opposing offenses to fear you.

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Speaker 1: When I say exotic, sometimes it was the look that

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Speaker 1: when you broke the huddle as an offense, you saw

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Speaker 1: no down lineman, you saw everyone standing up. You saw

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Speaker 1: two down linemen. Now Rowless does a great job of disguising.

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Speaker 1: Can you still disguise if you're only bringing four for

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Speaker 1: d lineman or four including an outside linebacker, even though

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Speaker 1: it still looks four to three or three four that

517
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Speaker 1: base defense? But when the ball is snapped, do things

518
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Speaker 1: look differently? And all of a sudden, that quarterback thinking

519
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Speaker 1: one thing defensively, there are changes made at the snap,

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Speaker 1: and that quarterback now is wait a second, that's not

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Speaker 1: what I thought was gonna happen. And all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: now that quarterback is on his.

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Speaker 3: Back, and I know that the inside linebacker position has

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Speaker 3: definitely changed since colleges had to, since colleges got away

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Speaker 3: from using their cards and their major signs, because now

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Speaker 3: you add the microphone into the helmet, you add the

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Speaker 3: earpiece into the helmet, and these defenses in college are

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Speaker 3: able to replicate and resemble more of what an NFL

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Speaker 3: style defense is supposed to look like. So that's why

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Speaker 3: I think in this case, Cody Simon, he comes in,

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Speaker 3: he right away could jump in and take over that

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Speaker 3: green dot. It's not to say he is. You signed

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Speaker 3: a Keen Davis Gather that you also hope could compete

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Speaker 3: for that role. But I remember in the season before last,

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Speaker 3: so twenty twenty three, Kaiser White went down with the injury,

536
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Speaker 3: Josh Woods went down with the injury, Chris Barnes went

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Speaker 3: down with the injury. Owen Papo had to take over

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Speaker 3: a little bit. And I remember doing the story around

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving time after Kaizer White tore his bicep, if I'm

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Speaker 3: not mistaken, and I was interviewing Chris Barnes and he

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Speaker 3: said to me, look, this isn't anything new to us

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Speaker 3: about taking over the green dot, because we all practice

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Speaker 3: with the microphone in our headset so that we could

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Speaker 3: always be prepared for this to happen.

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Speaker 1: If it were to happen, you said something that I

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Speaker 1: had not thought about, but how colleges call defenses previously

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Speaker 1: versus what they do now because of the card system,

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Speaker 1: and you're looking at symbols and having to dissect as

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Speaker 1: opposed to getting it in your headset and then relaying

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Speaker 1: that message to everyone else because the cards everyone sees.

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Speaker 1: But if you're getting it in your headset, your helmet,

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Speaker 1: as Cody was last year was last year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How many this believe?

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Speaker 3: I believe it's been the last two last two seasons. Okay,

556
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Speaker 3: it's been the two seasons that Cody Simon has had

557
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Speaker 3: the green Dies.

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Speaker 1: So it's great to remember this moment because it's okay,

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Speaker 1: Cody had that in his head literally the helmet, and

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, he's got to relay that

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Speaker 1: message to everyone else now where there's still cards and

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Speaker 1: signals on the sidelines. I'm sure I have to go

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00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: back and look at some of the Ohio State games.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that Cody does have a little bit

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Speaker 1: difference of experience come in into the league compared to

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Speaker 1: other mike linebackers from college, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's wait a second, I'm not looking to the sideline

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Speaker 1: and seeing a character or a cartoon character or letters

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Speaker 1: or numbers logos and trying to figure it out. No,

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Speaker 1: I've got that call in my helmet. Now I gotta

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Speaker 1: relay that message. And we know quarterback calls are very extensive.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is extensi stuff on the defensive side,

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Speaker 1: but still it's getting the message and relaying it to

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Speaker 1: the other ten players.

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Speaker 3: So I stand corrected. The NCAA approved the helmet communication

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Speaker 3: for college football games starting in twenty twenty four, so

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Speaker 3: this pass. So he's got one one year under his

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Speaker 3: belt and with the defensive coordinator that he had out

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Speaker 3: there being Jim Knowles, who if you look at Jim

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Speaker 3: Knowles versus Nick Rowlis, could not be more different. Jim Knowles,

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Speaker 3: it's a little bit more old school. Nick Rowlis is

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Speaker 3: as new school as they come, still being one of

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Speaker 3: the youngest defensive coordinators in the league. So the coach

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Speaker 3: the player communication is shut off with fifteen seconds left

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Speaker 3: on the playclock. In college the NFL, this has been

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Speaker 3: a thing. So now he gets to come into the

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Speaker 3: system and gets to right away jump in and take

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Speaker 3: over that communication that he had. Very similar to the

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Speaker 3: time at Ohio State and right now, he's one for

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Speaker 3: one with the championship. When it comes to the sense

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Speaker 3: microphones and helmets were approved.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be one of those questions that gets

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Speaker 1: asked a lot here this offseason in training camp. Who's

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Speaker 1: wearing the green dot? Who's that quarterback of the defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure we'll get a real answer until maybe

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Speaker 1: week one and then try to figure out who is

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Speaker 1: that guy. But to your point, Zach, yes, during training

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Speaker 1: camp that are multiple players on all three levels that

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Speaker 1: have that communication. Because who knows Nick Ralis's analogy, you

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Speaker 1: lose a shoe, now all of a sudden, who's that

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Speaker 1: next guy to step up to be that quarterback of

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Speaker 1: the defense.

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Speaker 3: It's not like you need to figure it out because

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Speaker 3: you're practicing as if it's going to happen. We talk

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Speaker 3: about the what if the shoe is off the foot

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Speaker 3: and somebody needs to come out for a play, or

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Speaker 3: potentially more than one to play. But that was what

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened with the Cardinals defensive line, and

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Speaker 3: that's why the the Cardinals have invested so heavily into

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Speaker 3: that side of the game because of the injuries that

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Speaker 3: they faced, not just last season, but the year before that,

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Speaker 3: so they know it's going to happen. They know it's inevitable.

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Speaker 3: We talk about injuries being a part of the game.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully of Cody Simon is at Green Dot. Hope it's

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Speaker 3: because he's the starter at Green Dot.

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Speaker 1: By the way, anytime I mentioned Cody Simon and I

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Speaker 1: say Cody is just the first name, the immediate, I

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Speaker 1: just think of our associate producer on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the glass.

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Speaker 3: He probably keeps popping his head up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who said what? Sorry Cody? Here the You might

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Speaker 1: have been the original, but you are no longer number one.

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Speaker 1: You're you're your one B. Now on the list of

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals personnel.

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Speaker 3: What about like the Cody's before him, like Cody Ford.

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Speaker 1: See there you go with like random Arizona Cardinals players.

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Speaker 3: I know him from TikTok.

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Speaker 1: One other note on these jersey numbers before we get

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Speaker 1: into the jersey numbers of some of the veterans, and

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Speaker 1: I'll give our executive producer, jim On Mohundro credit for

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Speaker 1: noticing this. Hayden Connor assigned fifty eight or seventy six

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Speaker 1: at Texas seventy six. Will Hernandez's number not a sign currently.

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Speaker 1: Will doesn't have a team currently, So is the door

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Speaker 1: open perhaps full Will to return because of the need

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Speaker 1: or at least our perceived need for a right guard.

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Speaker 3: It's eleven to eleven right now? Is that your will?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Is that your wish Will return? Is Craig Grielou a

639
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist?

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Speaker 1: No? Not really, but I wouldn't mind Will coming back.

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Speaker 3: We to have an enforcer on the offensive line, like

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Speaker 3: like Will Hernandez. You know as a fact what you're

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Speaker 3: going to be getting out of Will Hernandez, and that

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Speaker 3: whoever is in the backfield and along his offensive line.

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Speaker 3: I mean there were some battles in training camp where

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Speaker 3: Will Hernandez stood up for his guys on the line

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Speaker 3: and stood up for his quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So you have that.

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Speaker 3: Enforcer back, that would be, you know, quite awesome. But

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Speaker 3: number fifty eight we'll do right now for Hayden Connor.

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Speaker 1: And again some of these jersey numbers can change between

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Speaker 1: now and week one. Again when players are released, more

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Speaker 1: options are available for players if you're not happy with

654
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Speaker 1: what you get assigned versus what you are able to choose.

655
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Maybe a Walter Nolan did want ninety seven, well, Johnson

656
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: did want zero, Jordan Birch did want fifty two, Cody

657
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: Simon did want fifty eight based off what was available.

658
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: We do know this, and this is going to happen.

659
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: If you have not read it already on Asycardinals dot com,

660
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Kalais Campbell he has always worn ninety three. He will

661
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: continue to wear ninety three, justin Jones making that jersey

662
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: swap is now ninety eight, which was once worn by

663
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Roy Lopez. So now Kalais Campbell when you see ninety three,

664
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be odd to see him in a

665
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: different uniform. For those long time Cardinal fans who watched

666
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: Kalais Campbell reck havoc wearing ninety three.

667
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: Well, it's no longer going to be the jersey with

668
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: the side panels. It's gonna be a little bit of

669
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: a different, you know, uniform.

670
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: So that's true.

671
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: He'll go to Azycardinals dot Com. Make sure you get

672
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: that new jersey from the team shops that you were

673
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: wearing these which is an updated uniform.

674
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: Go old school, go new school.

675
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: You could go old school too if you already haven't,

676
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: but you want to also go buy the new school

677
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: jersey and go see Kalay's campbell with the Arizona across

678
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: the front. I mean, that's going to be a sight

679
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: to see when he goes out there for training camp,

680
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: and it's going to look very similar to the practice

681
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: uniform he used to wear. And then once his name

682
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: is announced at State Farm Stadium for that home opener

683
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: and he runs out there with the team and he

684
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: gets that applause and that appreciation and that reconnection with

685
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: the fan base, he'll still be wearing that number ninety three.

686
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: It's going to be a sight to see. We've already

687
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: seen him wearing ninety three coming back with different teams,

688
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: but he still gets to keep that number here in

689
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: the Valley.

690
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: So no change with Kalais and no change for Dalvin

691
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: Tomlinson outside of a different color scheme and a different logo.

692
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: But Dalvin Tomlinson has always worn ninety four. He will

693
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: continue to wear ninety four. The number one player free

694
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: agent addition Josh Swtt, and this is where I think

695
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: there's a backstory because I don't understand why, but Josh

696
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: Wett is going to wear ten war nineteen last year,

697
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: ninety four and seventy five before that, So it's ten

698
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: something he wore in college, high school.

699
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: Just a you were number nine in a different look.

700
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure.

701
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: I can't wait to until we get to speak with

702
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: Josh Swett, and I'm sure it's I'm.

703
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: Sure it's not the first question we ask of him,

704
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: but it's got to be among the first, Like why ten.

705
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing wrong with ten, it's just it's different, yes,

706
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: and different.

707
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it changes changes different, you know. And I think

708
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get too deep into this conversation

709
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: right now. We don't need to have Cardinals cover two

710
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: therapy session right now. But look, at the end of

711
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: the day, Josh Sweat is the prize free agent of

712
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: this class. I'm sure if he wanted a jersey number,

713
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: he would get that jersey number that he wanted. So

714
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: I think comes in with the respect of being a

715
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion and now he gets to come in

716
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: and he will be a difference maker for this Arizona

717
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: Cardinals team. For whatever reason he likes number ten. I'm

718
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: sure there's gonna be a lot of number ten jerseys

719
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: at Stay Farm Stadium, and they're not going to be

720
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins.

721
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: Let's hope that there's a good story behind that. And

722
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: there you go, Davion Davis. There we go, Davion Davis.

723
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I got the UFL. I gotta search the memory banks

724
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: for that one. Wow. Okay, all right, good stuff. See

725
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: this is why we have you are here.

726
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: I hope, I'm I really hope I'm correct in dangerous.

727
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: Another change, Baron Browning is going from fifty. Okay, Baron

728
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: Browning wore fifty three. Now we'll be wearing five, which

729
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: he wore in college. And Matt Prater no longer on

730
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: the team, so five is available. And speaking of numbers

731
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: being available and perhaps maybe doors being closed on players

732
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: that we hoped would return, Jacoby Brissett will wear number seven,

733
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: which is what Kaizer White wore. Now does this signal

734
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: a end to Kaizer White's tenure with the Arizona Cardinals.

735
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: Probably the door is partially shut, all the way shut.

736
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's locked, but certainly someone knows something.

737
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: And Jacoby says, well, I'm here, Kayzer is not I

738
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: want seven? And again, based off of if there was

739
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: a possibility of Kaizer's return, do you really allow Jacoby

740
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 1: to get seven? I don't know. It's just again, Kaizer's White.

741
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: Kaizer White's number is no longer available, but like it's.

742
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: Not rare, especially if if you're not a starter, like

743
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 3: Jacoby Presett is not a starter. That's Kyler Murray's position.

744
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 3: You think about it to last season, Cardinals draft Marvin

745
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: Harrison junior, He's number eighteen. B jo Jalari's number eighteen

746
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: at that point, so then they make a deal and

747
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: b jo Jali won a number nine. Desn't Ridder was

748
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: number nine, So then desnet Ridder then opts to go

749
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: to number nineteen and Jojo Laurai takes over that number nine.

750
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: So you're saying there could be a conversation in the

751
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: offseason if Kaizer returns to where he gets seven.

752
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: Exactly there's been set in stone exactly. Nothing is set

753
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: in stone in that in that regard, But it's also

754
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 3: most likely not to be the case that Kaiser White

755
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: is set to return because of the expectations that you

756
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: have for a player like Cody Simon. I mean, hearing

757
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: assistant GM Dave Sears and General manager Mania OSTIINFORG talks

758
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 3: so highly about Cody Simon and how he was able

759
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 3: to run the show at Ohio State. Makes me believe

760
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: that there's more likely to move on from a Kaiser

761
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: White than a Will Hernandez if we're going to be

762
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: putting the two in the same category. With that being said, though,

763
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: Manya Austin for was on the radio earlier this week

764
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: and said that the door's always opened, that that line

765
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: of communication is always ongoing between the current guys that

766
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: they were, the guys that they previously had in the building,

767
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: and then other guys throughout the league. So it's not

768
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: the The Jacoby Brissett's number assignment does not mean Kaiser

769
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: White is not going to be an Arizona Cardinal. It

770
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: just means right now he's not an Arizona Cardinal.

771
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: To me, it's just less likely.

772
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 3: I think I think it was less likely when Cody

773
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: Simon heard his name called. I think it's still you know,

774
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: my feeling hasn't changed. That's probably not going to happen

775
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: with kay White. I love Kaizier, so I would love

776
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: for him to come back. But if he were to

777
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: come back, this is a very different defense now then

778
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: when than when he was you know, the green dot

779
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: for it. When he's a two time captain with the

780
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals. They have a lot of respect for him

781
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: as a locker room leader. How is his role going

782
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: to change if he were to come back.

783
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: I would love to know the reasoning, the backstory, as

784
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: opposed to just the guessing. As far as why Kaizier

785
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: early in the offseason on social media posted what I

786
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: interpreted as a goodbye his teammates acknowledged as such someone

787
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: to your point, a two time team captain, leader of

788
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: the defense, wore the green dot one hundred plus tackles

789
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, Nick Rolis's son is named

790
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: after kay Spira White and all of a sudden he's

791
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: not here anymore.

792
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: I think that Kaiser White posted the message that he

793
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: did because he probably expected to have more of a

794
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 3: market than than what he did end up happening, over

795
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: then what he did end up having. And this is

796
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: very similar to how it is in the NFL draft too,

797
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: Like I know Manyia Astinfer was talking about how he

798
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: has a set board for a free agency the same

799
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: way he has a set board for the NFL draft

800
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: the inside linebacker position because of the green dot, and

801
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: because that that a coach to player communication system is

802
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: now in everybody's helmets, and you have a lot of

803
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: guys coming in from college. The position is not as

804
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: much of a luxury. You don't have as many you know,

805
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: Fred Warners in the league as many Luke Keikley's in

806
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: the league anymore. The position just is not there. And

807
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: I think you look at what the Philadelphia Eagles were

808
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 3: able to do. You bring in a guy like Zach Bond,

809
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: who is more of a special teamer, and he comes

810
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: in and he takes over that role as the green

811
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: dot over there, and now he's getting paid the big bucks.

812
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: But they still draft the guy with Jahad Campbell to

813
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: come in because the position is I don't I don't

814
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: like to use the term placeable because I feel like

815
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: that could have a little bit more of a disrespectful

816
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: connotation and meaning to it. But the position is a

817
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: lot easier to move around and put new players in.

818
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: We are gonna be talking a lot about this defense

819
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: because if you look, the offense is basically intact. You're

820
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: running it back outside of the question mark at right guard,

821
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: no additions outside of Jacoby Brissett, nothing, Nothing is really

822
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: changed at either offensive line, tight end, wide receiver, running back.

823
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you're everyone who's on the roster in

824
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, remains on the roster in twenty twenty five.

825
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: As far as those players that you relied on again,

826
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Will Hernandez. And yeah, you've

827
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: got a new backup quarterback behind Kyler, But I think

828
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna have We're gonna be spending more of our

829
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: offseason time discussing, all right, how do these defensive pieces

830
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: fit together? Because there are so many new faces and

831
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: obviously getting familiar with all these new numbers attached to

832
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: these new faces.

833
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: Do you give it grace period then? Because of how

834
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: many new players?

835
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yes?

836
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 3: Because how long?

837
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: Though?

838
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: Because do you bring in all these different pieces to

839
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: make a difference come Week one?

840
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: True? Depending on how much how many preseason snaps? How

841
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: do you approach the preseason? Is our other joint practices

842
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: with another opponent? Now, all of a sudden, do you

843
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: hit the ground running in Week one? But there are

844
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that don't take preseason seriously as

845
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: far as who plays, how many snaps are you playing?

846
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden you kind of ease in,

847
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, there are teams that lose

848
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Week one or drop to zero, one, two, and then

849
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: are still trying to figure things out. In that early

850
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: port of September.

851
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior said that the game felt really fast

852
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: for him in Week one against the Buffalo Bills. You

853
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: question how much different it could have been, at least

854
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: mentally for him if he had played in the pre season.

855
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: We're not here to undermine coach Gannon and his philosophy.

856
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: There are some teams that take it very seriously, like

857
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs. They've had Patrick Mahomes and Travis

858
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 3: Kelcey playing the first half of some preseason games. Some

859
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: teams otherwise don't do it like that. The Arizona Cardinals

860
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: did not have Kyler Murray take a snap. They had

861
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior out there for three snaps. They had

862
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: Darius Robinson out there for ten snaps in that first

863
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 3: game against the against the New Orleans Saints in the preseason,

864
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: and then he goes and has a dominant joint practice

865
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: with the Indianapolis Colts, and JG said, all right, he

866
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 3: showed enough during those practices that we don't need him

867
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: to play in that preseason game against the Indianapolis Colts.

868
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: Is the philosophy going to change this year. I'm not

869
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: sure that's gonna be something We'll have these conversations come

870
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Speaker 3: in the July early August what Jonathan Gannon and company

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Speaker 3: are going to end up doing. But I would like

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Speaker 3: to see guys like Walter Nolan third getting some snaps

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Speaker 3: in the first in their first and second and third

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Speaker 3: preseason game, just so they could feel the physicality of

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Speaker 3: the game. I feel like that's very import for the

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Speaker 3: guys in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: The speed of the game. Certainly there's a difference preseason

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Speaker 1: to regular season, but to your point, just kind of

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Speaker 1: not knocking the rust off because there isn't any rusts

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Speaker 1: coming in as a rookie, but just kind of get

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Speaker 1: your feet wet a little bit. And experience with the

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Speaker 1: NFL is like not not one hundred percent, because there

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Speaker 1: are many teams that don't subscribe to the philosophy of

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Speaker 1: playing your starters and playing them a lot. Back in

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Speaker 1: the day, it was by that third preseason games you

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Speaker 1: were playing your starters through halftime and into the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: That's no longer the case because everyone wants to make

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Speaker 1: sure you're healthy week one. Yet the flip side is okay,

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Speaker 1: are you now behind because you are not up to

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Speaker 1: speed with whomever you're facing that first game in the

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Speaker 1: regular season. And remember the Cardinals just missed out on

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Speaker 1: the postseason, So a loss in September means just as

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Speaker 1: much as a loss in December. Every game matters, And

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Speaker 1: does JG change up how he approaches training camp and

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Speaker 1: preseason because not only of the talent, but based off

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Speaker 1: of where this team we all expect it to be,

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Speaker 1: and that is in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Look, when you have a coaching staff that isn't under

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Speaker 3: the belief of it's my way or the highway, you

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Speaker 3: get to make a difference and you get to make

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Speaker 3: those changes. And JG has discussed his open door policy

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Speaker 3: and how and how he has that relationship with the players,

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Speaker 3: and if you don't believe it, just hear how he

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Speaker 3: talked about when Will Johnson was drafted and how current

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Speaker 3: players on the roster were texting their head coach to

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Speaker 3: say just how excited they were to add him to

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Speaker 3: the mix. This in the middle of the draft night

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Speaker 3: on the second day. And you have your current players

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Speaker 3: that are so invested in the team. This isn't just

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Speaker 3: like Okay, I'm gonna look at social media afterwards, who

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Speaker 3: do we draft? All right, cool, I'm going to welcome

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Speaker 3: them into the building. These are guys that are watching

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Speaker 3: it live not only because they love the football, just

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Speaker 3: football in general, but because they love the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan has talked about how he's made mistakes and how

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Speaker 3: going to year number three he's gonna look to improve

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Speaker 3: upon those mistakes and try to eliminate them. This could

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Speaker 3: be an area that is discussed. I believe it will

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Speaker 3: be an area that has discussed. How much does it change? Well,

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Speaker 3: now you have sports science involved, what's going to happen

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Speaker 3: with the eighteenth game down the future? We all we

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Speaker 3: could do is just discuss what the end result is

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Speaker 3: going to be and what we expect for it to be.

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Speaker 3: I would expect, though, from more players from this rookie

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Speaker 3: class to play than the previous year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope that is the case. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we need to cut Zach loose because he's got a

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Speaker 1: big upcoming meeting. So we will let you go appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of the insight on the numbers and the historical

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Speaker 1: knowledge that you bring here each and every day.

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Speaker 3: I'm just here, so I don't get fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, find Oh, we can find you.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't find me. I am very excited to

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Speaker 3: be here all the time always. No, I really am.

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Speaker 3: What an amazing cover too. We had a completely different

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Speaker 3: podcast seculed. Yes, we're planning on talking about the teams

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Speaker 3: in the West, and that will happen in future podcast.

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Speaker 1: Get to that eventually, but with the numbers conversation and

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Speaker 1: then delving into how we think some of these lookies

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Speaker 1: might be able to find out their role, because remember

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Speaker 1: it's the person, the player, and then the role. Just

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Speaker 1: early discussion as far as how these players fit, especially

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Speaker 1: on defense, and.

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Speaker 3: If you're looking at Pro Football Focus, the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 3: absolutely haste it and every other place they asked it.

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Speaker 3: Even if you get a C, it's tone A.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like you're speaking from experience potentially. All right, go

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Speaker 1: to your meeting. On that note, we will put a

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Speaker 1: lit on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Mama Hunter, our associate producer

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Speaker 1: Coddy Fincher for Zach Gershman, I'm Praig Real Lou We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.