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Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another NFL episode of the

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Speaker 2: Action Network podcast. I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief

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Speaker 2: of Fantasy Labs, with me, Shawn Corner, and Chris Raybond.

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Speaker 2: Shawn is the Action Network Director of Predictive Analytics. Chris

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Speaker 2: and they are two of the best fantasy football rankers

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Speaker 2: in the world. In joining us is Jake Seeley, a

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Speaker 2: senior fantasy writer at The Athletic Jank thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: How's it going, man, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on as always, guys, and yeah,

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Speaker 6: just ready, we're getting close to the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Say it's weird because no preseason.

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Speaker 6: It feels like it was football really around the corner,

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Speaker 6: but yet it is we're like three and a half

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Speaker 2: It feels as if we are very close to football,

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Speaker 2: rapidly approaching. So it's good to have you back on

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Speaker 2: the pod. We had you on the show, I believe

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Speaker 2: last year talking about late round running backs, So good

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Speaker 2: to have you back to talk about some of these

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Speaker 2: guys once again. Recently we've had Evan silva En Hardenstenny Carter,

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Speaker 2: Matt Harmon, Mike Tagliar, and Graham Barfield on the show.

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Speaker 2: Great episodes with all of those guys. Check them out.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we were talking with Jake about his

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Speaker 2: Fantasy approach to the running back position and we were

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Speaker 2: getting his thoughts on the running backs going outside of

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Speaker 2: the top twelve by average draft position. If you like

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Speaker 2: a review. We would appreciate it. Gentlemen, let's get into

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Speaker 2: the show. Jake, I want to know your approach when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the running back position in fantasy this year.

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Speaker 2: There are some people who want to go heavy at

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Speaker 2: the position really early on. Some people who like more

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Speaker 2: of a zero RB approach. Where do you fall in

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Speaker 2: the spectrum, Well.

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Speaker 6: If people remember when I was on last year, it

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Speaker 6: hasn't changed, and it hasn't changed. I don't think for

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Speaker 6: my entire career quote unquote is Bell cown running back

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Speaker 6: and I use bellca because I want one Bell Cow

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Speaker 6: and Bell cut doesn't mean as people know and you

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Speaker 6: guys know this, it doesn't mean like you need twenty

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Speaker 6: carries like Austin Eckler not going to get twenty carries

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Speaker 6: a game. I just want somebody I can trust week

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Speaker 6: and provide me with that RB one consistency. So I

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Speaker 6: But that's what I want to come out of the

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Speaker 6: and it is two running backs, I'll definitely do it.

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Speaker 6: If it's I don't take another running back to the

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Speaker 6: I think that's what a lot of people do too much.

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Speaker 6: Is like I'm at eleven, who should I take? You

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Speaker 6: got to work the draft, and as Chris knows, we

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Speaker 7: So last episode we talked about the top twelve running

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Speaker 5: Slot do like is really the question?

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Speaker 4: So I really like three.

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Speaker 6: I know that means I'm not getting Chrisian McCaffrey, and

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Speaker 6: So I want three because now I know I can

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Speaker 4: If I don't have that spot, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Okay with four because my big four quote unquote is

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Speaker 4: So I do like that more.

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Speaker 6: And if and I'm at the back end to kind

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Speaker 6: of answer your question, also like out of the top twelve,

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Speaker 6: I seem to be getting a ton of Nick Chubb.

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Speaker 6: I don't understand the hate for Nick Chubb. Everybody's so

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Speaker 6: get it because even if Nick Chubb is only Nick

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Speaker 6: Chubb from when Kareem Hunt was a thing. Okay, he's

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Speaker 6: still RB twelve. What's the big deal and there's potential

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Speaker 3: And I'm you on that. I love Chub as well.

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Speaker 8: What about So for the running backs we're about to

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Speaker 3: Who's the guy you've gotten to most of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny you asked that is because I just

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Speaker 6: did an article today is quote unquote my guys, it's

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Speaker 6: almost every single league is Chris Carson. It just comes

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Speaker 6: down to Chris Carson. What do you want about Chris Carson?

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Speaker 6: Do you want the eye test he passes it. Do

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Speaker 6: the article for by the way, he was fourth in

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Speaker 6: yards after contact tackles of what he Percarey ninth, tied

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Speaker 6: most six and elusive pick A metric, He's in the

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Speaker 6: only concern people have is the fumbling. Tiki barberhad fumbling issues.

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Speaker 8: And if coach loves him so like, even if he

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Speaker 8: not really gonna get in the real doghouse because Pete

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Speaker 4: That's one of the few coaches we can legitimately trust.

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Speaker 6: Like when he says something nine out of ten times,

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Speaker 6: he's just telling us exactly what's gonna happen. And that's

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Speaker 6: that's a really good point too, is that he loves

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Speaker 2: Right, So Jake, you are really in on Chris Carson,

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Speaker 2: who's a guy that you are looking really to stay

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Speaker 6: I know it's kind of becoming common in the industry,

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Speaker 6: So it's funny because I started in on Leonard Fournette

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Speaker 6: seventeen hundred yards, only three touchdowns. The regression's coming where

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Speaker 6: we're gonna see more this year. But we saw the

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Speaker 6: entire offseason. We saw that this offensive line hasn't improved

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Speaker 6: the addition to Chris Thompson. But what if he loses

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Speaker 6: ten percent and that's not a big number, just ten

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Speaker 6: And if you're talking about thousand yards rushing, that the

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Speaker 6: lot of people are out on Leonar Fournette just for

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Speaker 6: various reasons. But when you add all that in is

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Speaker 6: case seems to hate you talk about coaches. Gase hates him,

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned Fournette there, and he is a guy

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Speaker 2: who carries a lot of risk, and he's going in

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Speaker 2: that RB two range, and so you know, there could

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Speaker 2: you know, the format that you're in some if some

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Speaker 2: of these guys really are going in that RB two range.

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Speaker 2: But let's look at these guys. You have Austin Eckler,

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Speaker 6: So besides Chris Carson, like I say, you know, and

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Speaker 6: I don't even know if I put Chris Carson the

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Speaker 6: the past two years and I'm saying it again this year.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 6: I love his efficiency on a per touch basis. My

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Speaker 6: fear with Aaron Jones has always been the Packers offense

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Speaker 6: and usage of them. And if you look at last year,

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Speaker 6: Aaron Jones so few rushing yards and an absurd amount

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Speaker 6: of touchdowns. Like we like to be real, like everybody

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Speaker 3: He's averaging over six yards per touch. He can do it.

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Speaker 8: He can get a thousand, a thousand if he were

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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, Dylan was kind of looking

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Speaker 3: To be involved.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I'm big on both of those.

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Speaker 3: I love it, say no more.

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Speaker 8: If you haven't listen to this podcast in the past,

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Speaker 6: I hate him and I like AJ Dillon, and I'm

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's kind of my point. I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: All right, Sean, I want to kick it to you.

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Speaker 2: Out of these guys, who do you think should be

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Speaker 7: Austin Ecker obviously. And you know I gave you props

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Speaker 7: And you know, I said we were one shirtless picture

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Speaker 4: And I understand that's the risk.

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Speaker 6: But Todd Gurley has that backfield work to himself, David

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Speaker 6: So that's one way to go back to that question

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Speaker 8: has come down to the point where he's kind of

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Speaker 8: going where he should.

438
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Speaker 3: But Gurley is.

439
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Speaker 8: The guy that, like, I just want no parts of

440
00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,800
Speaker 8: in the third or fourth round, and I think he

441
00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 8: can really burn people this year.

442
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Speaker 3: I think David Johnson will be fine. Like I think.

443
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Speaker 8: He is broken as a physically broken as a runner.

444
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,879
Speaker 8: But Bill O'Brien will play a physically broken guy for

445
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,119
Speaker 8: like the exact like seventeen touches that he's always going

446
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,320
Speaker 8: to give his starting running back, whether it's Lamar Miller

447
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 8: or Carlos Hyde, Like he has a pattern of bringing

448
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,720
Speaker 8: in a veteran guy and just sticking with the plan.

449
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,199
Speaker 8: And so Johnson might be like this year is like

450
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,600
Speaker 8: I don't know, like David Montgomery or something like, it's

451
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,480
Speaker 8: not going to be sexy, but if you need a

452
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,320
Speaker 8: running back too weekend week out, he'll probably give that

453
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Speaker 8: to you with like hardly any running back one weeks.

454
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Speaker 3: But he's kind of a high floor guy. For me,

455
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Speaker 3: if that makes sense?

456
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Speaker 2: All right, Sean, what about you? Who who's one guy

457
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 2: or a couple of guys in this range that you're

458
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 2: really just looking to fade?

459
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna have to pile on toward Gurley a

460
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 7: little bit more. For me, I'm not as worried about

461
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 7: the knee. I think obviously it's a chronic injury and

462
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 7: it seems more like a pain tolerance one than anything.

463
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 7: So Gurley's been able to gut it out, so I'm

464
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,199
Speaker 7: not as worried about that. But Raybond kind of hit

465
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Speaker 7: on it. You know, when it comes to setting up

466
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 7: goal line opportunities. The Rams have been a top five

467
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,919
Speaker 7: team the past two seasons, whereas the Falcons have been

468
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 7: a bottom five team the past two seasons. And that's

469
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 7: something that's really outside of the running backs control. You know,

470
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 7: at this station's career, he is kind of dependent on

471
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 7: those touchdowns from Frans value, so we just might not

472
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,439
Speaker 7: see as many this year. So that's why I'm pretty

473
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Speaker 7: down on him. And Jake made a good point earlier,

474
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Speaker 7: is you know this range of running backs, this is

475
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Speaker 7: where I'm drafted wide receivers. I mean, when you know

476
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Speaker 7: David Johnson livion Beller on the board, so are Calvinilely,

477
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 7: AJ Brown, and Tyre Lockett. So I'm I'm kind of

478
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 7: setting up my draft to kind of get these workhorse

479
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 7: running backs in the first couple rounds so that when

480
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 7: this stage of the draft happens, you know, I'm attacking

481
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,959
Speaker 7: the wide receiver position. So I'm kind of just naturally

482
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 7: fading most of these guys in most my drafts.

483
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Speaker 2: One guy in this range we didn't mention I want

484
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about is James Connor, because

485
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 2: depending on the strategy that you're using, Connor might be

486
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Speaker 2: one of the guys that you go with. Like, I

487
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,479
Speaker 2: don't say that he should be going in the top twelve,

488
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Speaker 2: but it wouldn't surprise me if by the end of

489
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Speaker 2: the season he's someone who goes in this range who

490
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 2: provides the value of someone in the top twelve, just

491
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: you know, based on what he's done over the past

492
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 2: two seasons when he's been healthy, he profiles as that

493
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Speaker 2: kind of guy. And so, Jake, I'd like to get

494
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Speaker 2: your thoughts on Connor. Where do you have him?

495
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Speaker 6: So I have Connor inside the high end RB two range,

496
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 6: and it's funny I didn't want to. I was going

497
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Speaker 6: to include him, but I don't want to talk for

498
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 6: too long. I actually have a James Connor isn't in

499
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 6: that article as well, is in the twenty guys I

500
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 6: owned the most so far, and it's because I go

501
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 6: back to two years ago RB six and thirteen games.

502
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 6: If you want to talk Fantasy points per game nineteen

503
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 6: point four, which, by the way, last year was how

504
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 6: many Dereck Henry Averageburg game he would have been. He

505
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 6: was actually RB eight that year Connor was, but he

506
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 6: would have been RB two last year. The gap between

507
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 6: him and Mixing was three point five points per game

508
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 6: that year. I say all that to say, James Connor

509
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 6: is an amazing running back went healthy. We assume this

510
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 6: long layoff has him healthy. Ben Roethlisberger is back, and

511
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 6: I know now we're talking about is the running back healthy?

512
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 4: Is the quarterback healthy? Is the offense going to be

513
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 4: what it was two years ago?

514
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Speaker 6: That's all fine, Those are all questions that have him

515
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 6: in the RB two cost But if anything goes right

516
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 6: or even similar to what it was two years ago,

517
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 6: James Connor will be back into the RB. One conversation

518
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 6: is the fact that we're baking in this risk and

519
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 6: that's why he's here. But if we knew, similar to

520
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 6: David Johnson, if we knew as of today, I think

521
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 6: most people would take him as an RB one.

522
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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, I'm with you there. I want to

523
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on some of these rookie running backs.

524
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: It's an intriguing class. Obviously, we had Clyde Edwards layer

525
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 2: go at the bottom of the first round in the

526
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, quote unquote real life draft that we saw

527
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,479
Speaker 2: in April, which just seems like it was years ago.

528
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: And now with the news that Damian Williams is opting

529
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: out for this season, Edwards Zilaire has jumped up into

530
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: the first round, so really not much pointed talking about

531
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: him now. But there are a number of other rookie

532
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: running backs who are intriguing. We have Jonathan Taylor, DeAndre Swift,

533
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 2: Cam Akers, JK. Dobbins. If things break right, all four

534
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: of those guys could end up having pretty big seasons.

535
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 2: If they get a lot of playing time and you know,

536
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: thinking of the future and beyond, they could end up

537
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 2: being you know, significant Fantasy contributors for multiple seasons. Other

538
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: guys who are intriguing, you have Keyshawn Vaughan, Zach Moss,

539
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson as someone who's really really catapulted up draft

540
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: boards recently in aj Dillon, whom we talked about earlier.

541
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Speaker 2: Out of these guys, who really stands out to you

542
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: as someone that you want to invest in, Yeah, it's

543
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: gonna be Antonio Gibson. With the fifteen players that the

544
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: Washington team said they are like Christian McCaffrey, so like Look,

545
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: I think Antonio Gibson is a separate conversation in and

546
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Speaker 2: of himself, and he wouldn't be my favorite. My favorite

547
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: is actually going to be one of the big three.

548
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: And I say big three as I had Swift, Taylor,

549
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: and Dobbins as my Tier one going to the draft,

550
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Speaker 2: and then what I called Tier one and a half

551
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: because they were so close this year was Edwards, Hilaire

552
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: and Akers. But the problem is, I'm going to go

553
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: to the backfield where I look at the clearest path

554
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: quote unquote, because none of the backfields are really clear

555
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: out of side of Edwards Hilaire and now because.

556
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: Of Damian Williams.

557
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Speaker 6: So you look at Taylor, even if he is the

558
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 6: guy from day one, which he should be talent wise.

559
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 6: But we've heard the Marlon mac talk all but even

560
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 6: let's say he kicks Marlon mack aside, he still has

561
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 6: to deal with Thiam Hines, who could be the poor

562
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 6: man's Austin Eckler this year with Philip Rivers. If cam

563
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 6: Akers wins that job, he's still gonna have to deal

564
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 6: with Darryl Henderson getting involved in the passing game and

565
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 6: some other work.

566
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Speaker 4: JK. Dobbins has way too many options in that backfield.

567
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: Like if we knew JK.

568
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 6: Dobbins was going to be the Bellcow, he'd probably be

569
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 6: top ten alongside Clyde Edwards Hilaire because of that offense.

570
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 6: So where I'm looking at is DeAndre Swift, And we

571
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 6: talk about DeAndre Swift versus cary On Johnson. No question

572
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 6: in my mind, the talent is a gap, Like Swift

573
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 6: is one of the best running backs in this draft class,

574
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Speaker 6: would be one of the best draft class, or rookies

575
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 6: in one a lot of the draft class. And the

576
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 6: thing is is after carry On Johnson, where's the competition.

577
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 6: There's almost nothing there in the backfield. Like we're always

578
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 6: worried about Patricia coming from the Patriots side and sharing

579
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Speaker 6: the ball.

580
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Speaker 4: There's zero things back there.

581
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Speaker 6: The only concern Swift really has his carry on and

582
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 6: carry on is just not on his level. So my

583
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 6: favorite is Swift. Now, because of this offseason, it could

584
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 6: take a few weeks week three or four, but it

585
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 6: wouldn't shocked me. But for week one, DeAndre Swift is

586
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 6: touching the ball fifteen plus times a game and already

587
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 6: nearing their RB one conversation.

588
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: That's how good he is.

589
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Speaker 2: Sean, I want to kick it to you here because

590
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: I have questions about Swift, and that's and it really is.

591
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: I think that simple. Is Swift going to come in

592
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: right away and really be the guy? Or are we

593
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: going to see the Lions have more of a split backfield?

594
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: Where are you on projecting that Lion's backfield?

595
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Speaker 7: I'm actually doing my running back up upside article, so

596
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 7: I've been diving in this and you know, to start

597
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 7: the year, I definitely think, you know, Swift and carry

598
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 7: On will be pretty even timeshare. Same thing with Jonathan Taylor,

599
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 7: Marlon Mack. So if you look at their ADPs, especially Swift,

600
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 7: you know he's the RB twenty seven. He might be

601
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Speaker 7: able to return that value even in a strict time share,

602
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 7: but as the season goes on, I think these rookies

603
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 7: will take over. And then there's also the possibility of

604
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Speaker 7: an injury, and I think both backs kind of have

605
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 7: low end RB one upside and that event, so you know,

606
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 7: people are really investing on their upside. So I do

607
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 7: like Swift where he's going at RB twenty seven. When

608
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 7: it comes to Taylor, though, you know the site we're

609
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 7: using for ADP hasn't at RB twenty four. I don't

610
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 7: think I've been in a draft he's lasted that long,

611
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 7: so I haven't really been able to get much of him.

612
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 7: But you know, Taylor probably has the highest upside seely mentioned.

613
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 7: You know, Nakeem Hines. I'm not as worried about that.

614
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Speaker 5: The Colts.

615
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 7: They have the by far the easiest schedule in my

616
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 7: strength of Schedule ranking, so I think they will have

617
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 7: a pretty good game script season for Jonathan Taylor specifically,

618
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 7: so I think he has the most upside, But like

619
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Speaker 7: I said, you know, he tends to go way too

620
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 7: early in most of these drafts. I would say that

621
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 7: the one back that probably offers the best value at

622
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Speaker 7: ADP is Zach Moss, just because you know, he probably

623
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 7: should inherit the Frank Gore role right out of the gate,

624
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 7: and at his adp of I think it's like RB

625
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 7: forty seven right now.

626
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Speaker 5: He might be able to put up flex value.

627
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 7: At times, but it's it's not out of the question

628
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 7: that he could eventually overtake a healthy Devin Singletary and

629
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 7: you know, be RB two flex kind of back, and

630
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Speaker 7: then if Singletary goes down, he might be a potential

631
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 7: mid range RB two. So I just think zach Moss

632
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 7: probably offers the most realistic upside based on his ad

633
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 7: So I've been giving probably the most Zach Moss out

634
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 7: of this group.

635
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: Raybon, what do you think of these guys?

636
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: I think Swift is the safest kind of pick. Taylor.

637
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 8: I like the talent, but I think he goes way

638
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 8: too high, like we're already kind of it's like he's

639
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 8: already being priced at or near his ceiling and we're

640
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 8: I think people are just way too excited about him

641
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 8: to draft him, given that Marlon Mack is there.

642
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: I don't think I agree with Toronto.

643
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 8: I don't think Hines is a factor, mainly because we've

644
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 8: seen the coach go away from him at key times

645
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 8: just as much as we've seen him kind of used

646
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 8: in these in these in certain situations, and I don't

647
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 8: think he has anywhere near like the talent to even

648
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 8: compare him to Eckler, But there are still guys with

649
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 8: safer work.

650
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: What's going where Taylor goes. That's kind of the bottom line.

651
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 8: I think Taylor should be going more in the range

652
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 8: Swift goes, so because Swift goes just outside the top

653
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 8: twenty four, which is where you can start to take,

654
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 8: you know, more chances just out of I mean, out

655
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 8: of sheer necessity you have to with running backs in

656
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 8: that range. So I think Swift is fine, and I

657
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 8: agree with Jake that he has like that potential to

658
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 8: just really be kind of a high upside guy, a

659
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 8: special guy immediately.

660
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: So Swift is it for me.

661
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 8: I think Dobbins is probably my favorite of that group

662
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 8: talent wise, but it might take a little longer. We

663
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 8: don't know exactly when it will happen for Dobbins. And

664
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 8: I like the Moss call too. I think Moss I

665
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 8: don't think he's going to inherit like I don't think

666
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 8: he's gonna overtake Singletary. I think Singletary is actually a

667
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 8: guy that's being underrated in drafts.

668
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: I get him a lot.

669
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 8: He averaged over eighteen touches a game over the second

670
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 8: half of the season, but I do think Moss is

671
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 8: in a situation where there's just no one else in

672
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 8: that backfield outside of him in Singletary, So either way

673
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 8: you look at it, you know they're a.

674
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: Good defensive team.

675
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 8: I think Moss is a is a great high upside pick,

676
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 8: but you know, Terror is really the guy that I'm

677
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 8: kind of I want no parts of in Kishan Vaughan.

678
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 8: Kishon Vaughan absolutely want zero parts of. I think he's

679
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 8: going he's being drafted.

680
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: I don't think he should be drafted like in fantasy drafts.

681
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 6: Here's my one thing with Hines, and it's just it's

682
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 6: not that the touches, it's the passing game. And I think,

683
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 6: like for my evaluation with Jonathan Taylor, is that the

684
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 6: fact he's a better pass catcher than people think. But

685
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 6: I think he's similar to Leonard Furnett in the fact

686
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 6: that he's more of a dump off pass catcher than

687
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 6: somebody who's truly going to be running routes. And I

688
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 6: don't know that the Colts buy into him being the

689
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 6: passing game option, and we know Marlon Mack isn't.

690
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: That's my concern.

691
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 6: It's just that even when Jonathan Taylor has the role

692
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 6: name Hinz is going to be the pass catcher. And

693
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 6: something I go back to as I did a study

694
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 6: on where the quarterback targets go and Philip rivers consistently

695
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 6: for the past however many years checks inside the top

696
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 6: five of targeting running backs. And I know a lot

697
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 6: of that has to do with Austin Eckler, but I

698
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 6: don't think he's necessarily just going to go away from

699
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 6: it because now it's nine Hines. I completely agree with

700
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 6: you guys. Talent wise, he's nowhere near the level of

701
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 6: even probably Mac. But I don't think he's gonna go

702
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 6: away in the passing game. And that's my concern with

703
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor is that he doesn't end up being, you know,

704
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 6: seventeen carries a game and that's it, and just doesn't

705
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 6: see the passing game work.

706
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I gave all three of you guys opportunities,

707
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: and all of you are wrong. Cay Akers. Cay Akers

708
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: is the guy. He's the correct answer to the question

709
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: of so I guess I'm gonna be the lone Acres

710
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: stand and Jake, I want to kick get to you,

711
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: to not necessarily get the answer as to why you're

712
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: down on him, because maybe you're not down on him,

713
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: but to get your your perspective on him. So I

714
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: look at Acres and I see a guy who was

715
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: a highly coveted five star recruit entering college, who, even

716
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: though he was playing behind a horrific Florida State offensive line,

717
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: was really the locked in lead back and the core

718
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: of that offense for three seasons, who at the combine

719
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: showed tremendous athleticism at above average size and now gets

720
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: what I think is a locked in lead role. And

721
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: maybe that's where I'm or one of the areas where

722
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm wrong in this, but I think as a locked

723
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: in lead role with a Rams offense that in previous

724
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: seasons we have seen catapult another running back to you know,

725
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: an all pro type of level. And so I think

726
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: you put all that together, and maybe I'm just discounting

727
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: Darryl Henderson and Malcolm Brown too much within that backfield,

728
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: but I think Acres gets you know, over two hundred carries,

729
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: and I think he's a better pass catcher than people

730
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: maybe give him credit for. But where are you on

731
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: cam Akers?

732
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: Agree?

733
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 6: Agree, agree, agree, agree, and then disagree and I'll tell

734
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 6: you anywhere. So I'm with you the entire draft profile.

735
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 6: I mentioned all the things you said about college as

736
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 6: what I was talking about before he was in tier

737
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 6: one point five with Clyde Edwards hlaiir for me again,

738
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 6: I think there was just such a tight grip that

739
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 6: I kind of separated him just a smidge below the

740
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 6: top three, that being Dobbins, Swift, and Taylor in my opinion.

741
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 6: So I am a huge cam Akers fan.

742
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

743
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 6: Most people didn't pay attention or didn't realize how good

744
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 6: he was despite that offensive line in college, how many

745
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 6: times he was getting hit before you even got to

746
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage. So I love cam Akers. What

747
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 6: I don't love is trusting Sean McVay. And that's a

748
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 6: good thing for Sean McVeigh and for the offense is like, hey,

749
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 6: why is he going to tell us what he's going

750
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 6: to do every single week? Why is he not going

751
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 6: to flip the script and at the end of the

752
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 6: year start running twelve half the time? Like that's that's

753
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 6: what makes Sean McVay one of the best offensive mines

754
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 6: in football. If cam Akers was the lead, if he

755
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 6: was stepping into the todd early role, do we be

756
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 6: talking about him as RB one potential. Let's be real

757
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 6: about it. I'm a big Darryl Henderson fan, though, so

758
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 6: and I do think Darryl Henderson is going to get

759
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 6: a chance to show what he can do too, And

760
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 6: if he can, I think we could be looking at

761
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 6: split between them where I say, I don't know if

762
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 6: you heard me, like like kind of like scoff a

763
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 6: little bit, but like, no, Malcolm Brown's not a thing.

764
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 6: Everybody like has this wonderful vision of Malcolm Brown where

765
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 6: he like he made noise for basically one week and

766
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 6: then everybody's like, oh my god, Malcolm Brown. No, he's

767
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 6: part of what you just said. He's in a great situation,

768
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 6: a great offense. Malcolm Brown is just not that good

769
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 6: of a running back. But I'm not sure that this

770
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 6: isn't just a fifty to fifty share between Henderson and

771
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 6: cam Akers, at least as a rookie for year one,

772
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 6: because I think some of it is. McVeigh wanted to

773
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 6: make sure that they check all the boxes and can

774
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 6: be trusted in his offense, and if Darrell Henderson has

775
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 6: proven himself and Cam Akers hasn't yet, I don't know

776
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 6: that he gives Akers a leash to start the year.

777
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 6: Maybe it's kind of a Miles Sanders situation where by

778
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 6: week seven eight, that's when the real value kicks in,

779
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 6: and I'd be with you on that. But out of

780
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 6: the gate, I think his is more concerning the may

781
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 6: than Jonathan Taylor, just because I feel like the gap

782
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 6: between Taylor and everybody else and Swift and everybody else

783
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 6: that I think the gaps and talent are larger than

784
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 6: that acres to Henderson. And maybe that's where I'm wrong,

785
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 6: because I'm still very high on Henderson.

786
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: All right, Jake, I want to get your thoughts on

787
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: some of these second year running backs. So Devin Singletary,

788
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: David Montgomery, both of those guys had production last year

789
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: and you know potentially could be looked at as you know,

790
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: in a position to take a second year leap. You

791
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: have Alexander Madison, Tony Pollard, Darryl Henderson we just talked about,

792
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: and then you know some other guys who are further

793
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: down the board who have gotten a little bit of

794
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: hype here or there. You know, at one point people

795
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: were talking about Damien Harris is a potential option behind

796
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: Sony Michelle. Benny Snell has gotten, you know, in the

797
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: conversation a little bit as a guy maybe who could

798
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: challenge James Connor. And then Bryce Love has now gotten

799
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: a little bit of conversation as someone who potentially could

800
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: emerge in that Washington backfield. Where are you on these

801
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: second year running backs?

802
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just mentioned. I'm big on Henderson.

803
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 6: I don't think he'll ever be the lead guy, just

804
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 6: because people are going to doubt his size, but can

805
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 6: he be like the Austin Neckler, Like if you game

806
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 6: Austin Neckler's touches? I honestly think he could be in

807
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 6: that same conversation. Again, maybe I'm just misevaluating Henderson, just

808
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 6: too high on him as a general. I was in

809
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 6: on Harris a little bit before the next signing because

810
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 6: now we're back to the Patriots being the Patriots and

811
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 6: the fact that Lamar Miller's there now, mainly because I

812
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 6: think you guys remember last year, but he was, Oh

813
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 6: my god, should we be concerned about Sonny Michelle? They

814
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 6: drafted Damien Harris and then Damiens Harris gets hurt and

815
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 6: doesn't really do much for his rookie season because he

816
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 6: wasn't trusted, and everybody's just like, ah, forget about Damien Harrison.

817
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 6: But now that's just the backfield.

818
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 4: I want to say.

819
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 6: So where I'm actually going to go into this entire

820
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 6: group is I think, like, look, I'm not big on

821
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 6: Devins Singletary mainly because he's never going to be a

822
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 6: touchdown option. Like even if it wasn't for the drafting,

823
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 6: the Zach Moss, like if he even was Frank Gore

824
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 6: last year and Josh Allen's gonna steal so many touchdowns,

825
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 6: that's fine, because that's not his game.

826
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: He's not going to be.

827
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 6: Running for seven, eight nine touchdowns a year because that's

828
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 6: not who Devin Singletary is. What the Singletary can still

829
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 6: do is rank inside the top five in some breakaway

830
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: plays and plays with twenty plus yards and all that,

831
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 6: and just on the touches that he has, Devin Singletary's

832
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 6: role wasn't going to change from being a rookie to

833
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 6: a sophomore, and so you look at what everybody's doing

834
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 6: and pushing him down the draft boards. I understand this

835
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 6: the concern, and maybe that's the pushback from people who

836
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 6: started pushing him sort of towards the top fifteen before

837
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 6: the drafting the Zach Moss. But he's fallen so far

838
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 6: now where I'm grabbing Singletary. I wasn't in on him

839
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 6: to begin with, but when you start pushing him outside

840
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: the top twenty into the mid twenties twenty four to

841
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 6: twenty five to twenty six, he's probably got more upside

842
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 6: than anybody really in this group, unless Henderson wins the

843
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 6: job with the rams.

844
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: Sean, what are your thoughts on Singletary and any of

845
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: the other guys in this group.

846
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 7: I agree with Jake, you know, Singletary's ADP has dropped

847
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 7: to a point where I think he's probably worth it.

848
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 7: I really consider, you know, David Montgomery, Devin Singletary, Raheem

849
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 7: Mosert sort of the last tier of I mean, I

850
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 7: wouldn't call him high floor, but highest floor left before

851
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 7: you really just go for upside when it comes to

852
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 7: running back, because after them, you know, it might take

853
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 7: a running back missing time for them to see their upside,

854
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 7: So they're they're kind of the last line of defense.

855
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 7: If you kind of bloaded up a receiver or you

856
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 7: took a QB tight end early. They're a good fallback

857
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 7: option to you know, complete your starting running back so

858
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 7: I can get behind them. Having said that, I do

859
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 7: think Zach Moss is probably the guy I'm targeting the

860
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 7: most still, so you know, I'm naturally kind of avoiding

861
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 7: Singlitary as a result. But you know, when it comes

862
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 7: to this group, like I said, most of these guys

863
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 7: probably need a starter to go down to hit value.

864
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 7: That's why I love Tony Pollard at running back forty eight.

865
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 7: You know clearly he'll need zeke Thymus time, so you're

866
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 7: kind of betting on chance here. But if zeke werd

867
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 7: ever miss time, he'd be a fringe RB one. So

868
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 7: you know, especially in the RB forty eight range, you're

869
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 7: really just going for upside. So what better upside is

870
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 7: there than a potential RB one. So I think in

871
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 7: that range, Tony Poller is probably my most targeted back.

872
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 7: But again I think of running back in buckets because

873
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 7: there's certain areas where they're going to need a lot

874
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 7: of luck to hit, and you know, Pauler definitely needs

875
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 7: a lot of luck to hit.

876
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 5: But I think he offers the highest upside.

877
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: There, Raybon, where are you on the second year running backs?

878
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: So I liked him quite a bit.

879
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 8: I think that one thing to keep in mind, this

880
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 8: year's more than others. Seems like there's a lot of

881
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 8: rookie hype. And one thing I do want to point

882
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 8: out is that Edward's aware for obvious reasons, he's going

883
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 8: in the first round. But these running backs drafted on

884
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 8: Day two over the last ten years, and this includes

885
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 8: years where running backs are still used I think a

886
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 8: little more heavily than they are today. But the average date,

887
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 8: the median for a day for a second round running

888
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 8: back was in a year, it was one hundred and

889
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 8: fifty touches, and for a running back drafted in round

890
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 8: three as a rookie, it was about one hundred and

891
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 8: twenty eight touches. So just to kind of put some

892
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 8: numbers in context that we have to keep our expectations

893
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 8: in check. There's gonna be a couple of these rookies

894
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 8: that hit, but they're not all gonna hit, and I

895
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 8: think some of them are getting kind of already priced

896
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 8: at their ceilings.

897
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: But with these second year guys, you know, Jay kind

898
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: of hit on it.

899
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 8: Like, Singletary is a guy who you know, he averaged

900
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 8: over eighteen touches per game over the second half of

901
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 8: last year once he got healthy. It's clear that Buffalo

902
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 8: trusts him with the keys to the backfield because when

903
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 8: I see them only draft Zach Moss is like the

904
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 8: only thing of note to me. It's like a lot

905
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 8: of people see like a threat, But to me, I'm like, Okay,

906
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 8: you have Singletary going into year two as like the

907
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 8: veteran in that backfield, Like, yeah, Moss is gonna be using.

908
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 8: I'm taking him everywhere too, because I think he has

909
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 8: a lot of upside. But like, I don't think that

910
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 8: should stop people from taking Singletary. I think Singletary should

911
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 8: be ranked, you know, right around twenty, you know, nineteen twenty,

912
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 8: and he goes outside that now you know, Uh, Montgomery

913
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 8: is saying thing Montgomery is the most boring pick ever.

914
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 8: But I don't know, I don't know if I could

915
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 8: name a running back that's more locked into the role

916
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 8: that there that that they have than Montgomery.

917
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: Outside of the top you know, first round guys.

918
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 8: I mean, Montgomery's gonna get like his seventeen garies and

919
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 8: his one or one or two catches per game every

920
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 8: single week. Uh, Chicago has nothing in that backfield. But

921
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 8: you know, three Cohen is a different kind of player.

922
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 8: He's gonna get maybe you know, two to four carries

923
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 8: per game and and work in the slot and.

924
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: Do some things there.

925
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 8: But you know, Montgomery's another guy over eighteen touches per

926
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 8: game over the second half of last season, and I

927
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 8: think he's not gonna you know, yards per carry, and

928
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 8: it's kind of influenced a lot by it. There's a

929
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 8: lot of noise there, so I think he regresses some

930
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 8: in that area. You know, he's really bad in that category.

931
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 8: Last year the Bears offensive line struggled. So he's an

932
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 8: un sexy pick, but rock solid RB two. But but

933
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 8: Pollard is like the guy in terms of upside, Like

934
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 8: I think Pollard, you know, even if Zeke doesn't miss time.

935
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 8: Let's remember that Mike McCarthy used time Montgomery in this

936
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 8: hybrid role where Montgomery was getting close to ten touches

937
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 8: per game at points in his career.

938
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: As not like the lead running back.

939
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 8: He's just kind of like this hybrid running back receiver.

940
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 8: Pollard is a guy who could fill a similar role.

941
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 8: He's a guy that played about seventeen percent. I believe

942
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 8: it was of his snaps as a receiver last year,

943
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 8: whether it was in the slot or lined up out why.

944
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 8: Pollard also was number one in mistackle rate forced according

945
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 8: Pro Football Focused. So this is a guy who you know,

946
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 8: on like a fourth of the carries of Zeke, a

947
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 8: fourth of the touches broke like half as many tackles.

948
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 8: He's a high upside guy. And then it just goes

949
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 8: into what Sean said. If if Zeke goes down, he's

950
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 8: a league winner. If he goes down for a week,

951
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 8: he's a week winner. But just like even if none

952
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 8: of that kind of happens, or was he only misses

953
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 8: like one or two games, I still think Pollard can

954
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 8: have value you as like a flex or something like that,

955
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 8: just based on that upside that that you know McCarthy

956
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 8: coming in, you know, we don't know, you know, we're

957
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 8: assuming Ceedee Lamb plays like every snap like ninety percent plus,

958
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 8: but he might, you know, he might be more in

959
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 8: that sixty to seventy percent range as the number three guy.

960
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, Witton's gone, Cob is gone.

961
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 8: There's an opening for another guy to emerge and powerd

962
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 8: is talented enough that.

963
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: He could definitely be a factor.

964
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 8: And the same reason we're saying, hey, you know, like

965
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 8: Ceedee Lamb's going to be a factor because he's talented.

966
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 8: Same same goes for Poward really and Blake jar Like

967
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 8: Blake Jarwin, I think is is you know, better than

968
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 8: Jason Witten. But but he could actually be the odd

969
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 8: man out and not and not Poward because Poward is

970
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 8: that good. So I love power and I've been taking

971
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 8: him everywhere.

972
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: Jake Raybond earlier mentioned something that kind of struck me,

973
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: saying that you know, people are overvaluing some of these

974
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: rookies and so that means some of these second year

975
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: players are slipping down the board. And that makes me

976
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: think a little bit of Ronald Jones last year, who

977
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: had a horrific rookie season. Uh, but you know had

978
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: a thousand yards last year in overperformed expectations in his

979
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: second year, and you know, maybe that's something, you know,

980
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: thinking of Daryl Henderson, we could actually see Daryl Henderson

981
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: do this year where he has a Ronald Jones type

982
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: of second year. But thinking of Ronald Jones, what do

983
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: you think we might see out of him this year?

984
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: In Tampa Bay.

985
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 6: I think that the hype is starting to reach the

986
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 6: peak now, especially with Bruce Arians coming out and saying

987
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 6: he's the guy everybody else is working for number two,

988
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 6: when Bruce Arians has lied to us before. But on

989
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: the good side of things, let's Ronald Jones. There's a

990
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 6: couple of factors here. Ronald Jones was coming out of college.

991
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: We knew this Ronald Jones was a terrific runner. We

992
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 6: knew his struggles in the passing game. We knew that

993
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 6: he struggled with pass catching and pass blocking. Something else

994
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 6: is some name that we threw out earlier on the show.

995
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 6: I think it was Chris who said, is Dirk Cotter.

996
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 6: Dirk Cotter kind of ruined his rookie season, Dirk cott

997
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 6: I don't think Cotter and Jones were a fit. If

998
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 6: you look at Cotter and the kind of running backs

999
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 6: to succeed under him, and that he likes to use.

1000
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 6: Ronald Jones was never a great fit because of the

1001
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 6: passing game stuff we're talking about. I think he just

1002
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 6: got frustrated out of the gate and it got on

1003
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 6: Ronald jones head a little bit. Let's be honest, these

1004
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 6: are real life people like things are going to get

1005
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: in their head. Their confidence can be shaken, Let's be

1006
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 6: honest about it. So Ronald Jones, if you've see what

1007
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 6: he's done this all season, he's talking about on the

1008
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 6: jugs three hundred times a day. He's talking about working

1009
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 6: on pass blocking day and day and day. And I'm

1010
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 6: not saying he's definitively going to get better. But you

1011
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 6: know who used to struggle just like him with pass blocking,

1012
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 6: Aaron Jones, and Aaron Jones turned into one of the

1013
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 6: better plass blockers because he made it a point to improve.

1014
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 6: I think Ronald Jones if everything we're hearing, and it's

1015
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 6: unfortunate because this preseason we're only going to have coach speak, reporters,

1016
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 6: beat writers to go off on. We don't have any

1017
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 6: games to go off So we're going to have to

1018
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 6: be very very intelligent about what we dig into and

1019
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 6: try to take away from everything that's come out about

1020
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 6: Ronald Jones has been positive so far, and if it

1021
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 6: bites us in the butt at the end of the day,

1022
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 6: that's fine. But Ronald Jones I think could surprise people.

1023
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 6: He's never going to be a great, great pass catcher,

1024
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 6: but I think that he could easily turn to an

1025
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 6: RB two this year, potentially even for more if everything

1026
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 6: we hear like I said is true, because he's still

1027
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 6: a great runner.

1028
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 2: All right, Jake, one more guy. I want to get

1029
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: your thoughts on Raheem Mostert, Who's U you know, kind

1030
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: of in a similar situation to Ronald Jones exceeded expectations

1031
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: last year, people are unsure about what his role is

1032
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: going to be this year. If everything goes right, it

1033
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: seems like, you know, he has the upside for a

1034
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: top twelve Fantasy finish, but there's a lot of risk

1035
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: associated with him. Where are you on Raheem Moster.

1036
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 6: I'm not paying the price for Moster, but I get it.

1037
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 6: The biggest problem is that I'm not paying the price

1038
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 6: because it's Shanahan and I can't trust Shanahan. I will say,

1039
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 6: I've said this on my podcast. He has the Midas

1040
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 6: touch when it comes to running backs. I don't know why,

1041
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 6: like he should be given an award. The NFL has

1042
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 6: not figured out how to stop his running backs. He

1043
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 6: makes every running back good, but that's also the downside

1044
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 6: to him. Like if Mostart starts off slow and he

1045
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 6: goes back to Coleman and Coleman starts looking good like

1046
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 6: there was a reason Mostart was a journeyman before this point.

1047
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: Like Mostart has some skills, but he's not an amazing runner.

1048
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 6: Tevin colem is not an amazing running back. Jermy Kinn

1049
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 6: is not an amazing But it doesn't matter because you're

1050
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 6: playing for Shanahan. Shanahan knows how to do it and

1051
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 6: how to get it out of you.

1052
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 4: I get it.

1053
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 6: If Rohae Most's the starter for all sixteen weeks, he's

1054
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 6: probably in RB one, he's probably inside the top ten.

1055
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: Can I tell you that's gonna happen.

1056
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 6: No, And that's why I'm just I'm never going to

1057
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 6: invest in the Shanahan backfield at that price. That's why

1058
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 6: I've been taking Tevin Coleman because Tvin Coleman is going

1059
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 6: at a ridiculous value for if he ends up being

1060
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 6: the lead, he could be a league winner.

1061
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: Sean Moster or Jones? Which one of those guys do

1062
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: you prefer at their ADPs?

1063
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 5: Oh that's a tough one.

1064
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1065
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 7: I was getting Jones quite a bit, but now his ADP,

1066
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 7: like like Jake mentioned, has sort of hit his ceiling.

1067
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 7: THELL shan McCoy signing didn't help. I don't think McCoy

1068
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 7: has a chance to overtake him, but he can certainly

1069
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 7: take enough of the workload where you know, Jones might

1070
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 7: not be startable. But having said that, you know, at

1071
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 7: the RB thirty range, like I said, that's kind of

1072
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 7: where you're taking upside anyway, and he is the favorite

1073
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 7: to start week one, so I.

1074
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 5: Can get behind that.

1075
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 7: And I agree with Jake on the Mozart point too.

1076
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 7: Is at his ADP he can absolutely crush it if

1077
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 7: he starts all year, But just with the forty nine ers,

1078
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 7: we can never tell. Last year, I was saying, how

1079
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 7: I'm drafting the cheapest forty nine ers running back, and

1080
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 7: it happened to be Matt Brida and Raheem Mozart was

1081
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 7: the one that crushed. So it just goes to show

1082
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 7: that any back, I mean, you have Jamichael Hasty, even

1083
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 7: Jeff Wilson in the mix. We really don't know who

1084
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 7: will be the lead back week to week. But you know,

1085
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 7: Mozart looks so good in the role. I mean, I

1086
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 7: can get behind people taking him as a low on

1087
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 7: RB two. He looked great in chance scheme. But like

1088
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 7: everyone says, you know, it's just whoever they put in

1089
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 7: there can look good. So I typically try to take

1090
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 7: guys cheaper than RB two range, So that's why I'm

1091
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 7: passing on him.

1092
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 5: But again I could see him hitting.

1093
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: Now it's going to be a Salvin Ahmed because this

1094
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 4: we did name exactly.

1095
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 5: I tried to get them all or McKennon there, I said.

1096
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: Them all, Raymond, thoughts On, Jones, and most Art.

1097
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: Oh like Jones.

1098
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 8: Jones is actually the guy I've been getting more of,

1099
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 8: but I was getting him before this hype. Now I

1100
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 8: think he's kind of going a little more where he should.

1101
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 8: And I do agree this is like in Tampa Bay.

1102
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 8: It's still likely going to be a three man backfield

1103
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 8: similar to the way it was last year.

1104
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: They're gonna have it.

1105
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 8: Sounds like they're gonna have a boom bowawe still play

1106
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 8: some pass downs.

1107
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't.

1108
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but that's what they've been doing.

1109
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

1110
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 8: And then there's gonna be a split. At first we

1111
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 8: thought it was gonna be Jones and Vaughn, but it

1112
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 8: looks like it could be Jones and McCoy. But I

1113
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 8: do think that does cap his upside a bit. I

1114
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 8: think Moster is a guy that you you take a

1115
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 8: chance on because he's going he still kind of goes

1116
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 8: on that fringe top twenty four, and this is a

1117
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 8: guy who you know down the stretch.

1118
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: Last year it was what was.

1119
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 8: It, seven twelve rushing touchdowns over his last you know,

1120
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 8: nine games, including the postseason.

1121
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: This is a team that is gonna run the ball.

1122
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 8: I mean, they could have two running backs conceivably hit

1123
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 8: value every week just because of the dire situation of

1124
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 8: their past game. And there's still a big they're going

1125
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 8: to be a very good defensive team. And Mostard actually

1126
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 8: has been good.

1127
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: His entire career.

1128
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 8: He just you know, he kind of was an unheralded guy,

1129
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 8: so it took a while for him to really earn

1130
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 8: that role. And you know, he's not super big. He's

1131
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 8: five to ten, listed at five to ten one ninety seven.

1132
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 8: But this is a guy for his career that's averaging

1133
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 8: six yards per carrie. He's only had one hundred and

1134
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 8: seventy eight carries, so you know, that could be a

1135
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 8: lot of noise, could just be the Shanahan backfield, but

1136
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 8: he's always been productive ten point three yards per reception

1137
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 8: as well, always been a productive guy on a per

1138
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 8: touch basis, uh, and started to see the pass game

1139
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 8: work tick up once they benched Coleman. And that's the thing,

1140
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 8: the one thing that concerned and I've been I think

1141
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 8: Coleman's a good value, but the one thing to kind

1142
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 8: of note is that, like they did bench Coleman down

1143
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 8: the stretch, like he was supposed to be a Shanahan guy.

1144
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 8: He was a guy that at one point, like I was,

1145
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 8: I was telling you everyone to buy him, like, yeah,

1146
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 8: he had this four touchdown game, he got us excited,

1147
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 8: and like Shanahan benched it and like didn't really go

1148
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 8: back to him until that, Like Moster got banged up

1149
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 8: I think at one point in the postseason, but like

1150
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 8: this was Moster's backfoot and then they traded Rita. So

1151
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 8: like the writing is kind of on the wall for

1152
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 8: me that Moster's gonna get every opportunity to be that

1153
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 8: starter all year and he's always been good, So like

1154
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 8: I see this kind of poor man Aaron Jones upside

1155
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 8: where like most if there's a guy that's gonna come

1156
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 8: out of nowhere, and that was always good, but now

1157
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 8: he's getting more touches and score like sixteen to eighteen

1158
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 8: touchdowns just because of that offense, like we've seen it

1159
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 8: happen last year.

1160
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: You pro rate that to a full season and he's

1161
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: right there.

1162
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 8: So I think you take that shot on moster because

1163
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 8: you should already have probably either like a really good

1164
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 8: roster if he's your second running back or he's your

1165
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 8: third running back and there's not.

1166
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: Really a risk there anyway.

1167
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 6: That's what's gonna be. The problem is most are at

1168
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 6: RB two price. Low end RB two price is either

1169
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 6: gonna be wildly over or wildly underrated when the end

1170
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 6: of season hits.

1171
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, but the ceiling like at that point, I mean,

1172
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 8: there's gonna be a lot of guys in that range

1173
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 8: that bust for a variety of reasons. I do think

1174
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 8: people should be drafting wide receivers there, but like if

1175
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 8: you need a running back, like take the guy who

1176
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 8: can average one touchdown per game.

1177
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: That's just my.

1178
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: All right, Jake, great stuff. Here one more question for

1179
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: you deep flyers. One guy going outside of the top

1180
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: sixty at the position where you know, if things just

1181
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: kind of go right, you can actually see it working

1182
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: out for him, where he has a league altering type

1183
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: of type of season. Who's that guy.

1184
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'll go to one that I'll throw to

1185
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 6: you real quick, Like I think Joshua Kelly has a

1186
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 6: chance to unsee Justin Jackson. I was just never a

1187
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 6: big Justin Jackson fan. But he's fifty nine, so he

1188
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 6: technically doesn't fit. So I'll give you the one that

1189
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 6: even before the news broke, I thought he was and

1190
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: that's Bryce Love. Now there's a couple of things going

1191
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 6: against Bryce Love, like he was drafted by the old

1192
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 6: regime they brought in Antonio Gibson. But this situation here

1193
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 6: is the fact that when they drafted Bryce Love, they

1194
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 6: drafted and replace Chris Thompson. Again, different regime at the time.

1195
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 6: But the talk about Bryce Love, let's talk about before

1196
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 6: he got hurt in college, the year before that, where

1197
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 6: everybody said he was a definite first round pick, which

1198
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 6: I don't even agree with at the time. But if

1199
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 6: you were a fan of Bryce Love, he was a

1200
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 6: first round pick in that draft, he would have came out.

1201
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 6: He probably would have slipped into the first round, if

1202
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 6: not early second. And the potential is still there for

1203
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 6: that Chris Thompson role. Now, Antonio Gibson, like I said,

1204
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 6: clouds the picture. But Antonio Gibson's a rookie with very

1205
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 6: little work as a running back. Maybe that's part of

1206
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 6: what helps him in that whole Christian McCaffrey version of him.

1207
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 6: But you said, if everything breaks right, what we're saying here,

1208
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 6: we're like, what I'm saying here is it's Adrian Peterson

1209
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 6: leading the way as he's still holding on at this point.

1210
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 6: But Bryce Love is Chris Thompson for the for I

1211
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 6: almost said the team, Washington football team. And if he's

1212
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 6: in that role and Antonio Gibson fails as a rookie,

1213
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 6: and that's breaking right for Bryce Love, I think Bryce

1214
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 6: Love could be a PPR RB three.

1215
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: All right, corner thoughts on Bryce Love here.

1216
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 7: I mean, we've been trying to figure out who's gonna

1217
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 7: step up. It could be Antonio Gibson, even Peyton Barber's

1218
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 7: in the mix. I'm not interested in you know, shit,

1219
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 7: I'm not interested in investing in the running back by

1220
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 7: committee on the football team.

1221
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 5: So I'm avoiding him.

1222
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 7: But when it comes outside of the top sixty, I

1223
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 7: mean we're talking about guys, you know that, Like Jake said,

1224
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 7: like you have to go like through the Zach Galafanakis gift.

1225
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 5: Of like all the numbers moving.

1226
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 7: So I mean, the one guy that I love, he's

1227
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 7: an RB eighty four and he clearly needs to start

1228
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 7: to get hurt. And that's Reggie Boniffin. And yes he's

1229
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 7: bagging up the best running back in football, Christian McCaffrey,

1230
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 7: but Christian McCaffrey is not more immune than other running

1231
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 7: backs at missing time. And I think you know, if

1232
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 7: he goes down, Boniffin will be the guy. He doesn't

1233
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 7: really have much competition. We don't need to figure out

1234
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 7: if he's leapfrogging anybody there. In the limited time he

1235
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 7: played last year, he did look good. Again, he'll be

1236
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 7: behind this, you know, one of the worst offensive lines

1237
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 7: in football, so I think you know he's going to

1238
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 7: have to play the CMC role of a pass cat back,

1239
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 7: and I think he would, So you know, I could

1240
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 7: see him putting up low end RB two value in

1241
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 7: that event. And when you're taking a guy at RB

1242
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 7: eighty four, you're kind of banking on something simple like

1243
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 7: that to happen. So he has just the clearest path

1244
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 7: to RB two value than any backs outside of the

1245
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 7: top sixty in my opinion.

1246
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: All right, ravon deep guy going outside of the top

1247
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: sixty at the position, who do you like?

1248
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 8: I mean, I think top sixty is excessive, so I'll

1249
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 8: go kind of outside the top fifty. But I think

1250
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 8: Darrynton Evans in Tennessee as the backup to Darren Henry

1251
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 8: provides a lot of intrigue. He's a guy that you know,

1252
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 8: there's not much else there in that backfield. If Henry

1253
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 8: goes down. He's a playmaker. He's a guy that can

1254
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 8: catch passes, So I like him. If you're talking like

1255
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 8: outside the top sixty, I think it's it's like a

1256
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 8: lot of it's a couple of un sexy veteran guys

1257
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 8: like I think Carlo's hide. If everything breaks right, like

1258
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 8: Chris Carson has suffered some kind of injury every year,

1259
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 8: Rashad Penny's already going to start the year on the puff,

1260
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 8: the Seahawks are going to run the.

1261
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: Hell out of the ball.

1262
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 8: Carl's hide every time, like we kind of write him off,

1263
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 8: he gets picked up by someone and gets like starters

1264
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 8: carries like that could easily happen again if everything breaks

1265
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 8: right in Seattle. And then just despite Matthew Friedman, I'll

1266
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 8: throw one more name in there, Jamal Williams was playing

1267
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 8: forty percent of the snaps last year, which makes Aaron

1268
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 8: Jones season even more impressive. Jamal Williams it could easily

1269
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 8: still retain that role and AJ doing could be a

1270
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 8: healthy scratch on game day or a guy that like

1271
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 8: works in for like those one two touches that Tyler

1272
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 8: Irvin was getting down the stretch last year, and Jamal

1273
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 8: Williams could retain his role. And Jamal Williams had flex

1274
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 8: value pretty much for most of last year, got hurt

1275
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 8: near the end and really wasn't a factor in the playoffs.

1276
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 8: But he's going outside the top sixty. So again, if

1277
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 8: everything breaks right and we're wrong about AJ doing, AKA,

1278
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 8: you guys are wrong about AJ doing, which you know

1279
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 8: I could be wrong too. Like I'm not saying I'm

1280
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 8: right or wrong here, but what I am saying is

1281
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 8: that Jamal Williams was used forty percent of the snaps

1282
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 8: by a coach in his first year. That's still there.

1283
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 8: Is going outside the top sixty. So not a guy

1284
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 8: to right off if we're talking guys in that range.

1285
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: Raybond, I just want to say bringing Jamal Williams on

1286
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: the podcast was so much more egregious than me putting

1287
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: Jace Sternberger on the outline. It was on the outline.

1288
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you even need to mention it. No

1289
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: sign of your own volition. You were going to talk

1290
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: about Jamal Williams.

1291
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: My guy played and he was productive. Your guy was

1292
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: the opposite your guy.

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Speaker 2: Williams.

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Speaker 3: I like the guys who score Fantasy points. You must

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Speaker 3: be the other guy.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if Freeman or I have even recommended

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Speaker 7: taking Dylan other than just he might prevent Aaron Jones

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Speaker 7: from double digital touchdowns again. But you're actually recommending Jamal Williams.

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Speaker 5: So this is the whole new level.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've taken it. I've taken him outside the top six.

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Speaker 8: You know, seriously, I mean listen, Like like I said,

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Speaker 8: the coaching staff, I'm always gonna trust them first.

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Speaker 3: And Williams was a one be in that backfield.

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Speaker 8: Williams was a guy who, uh, you know, averaged about

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Speaker 8: ten touches per game last year.

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Speaker 3: You know, So this is a guy who listened. We

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Speaker 3: think a J.

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Speaker 8: Dowon is going to come in and be that number

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Speaker 8: two guy. It could be a year later, we could

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Speaker 8: be a year or two early on doing Williams could

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Speaker 8: retain the same role. He's been another one of those guys,

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Speaker 8: you know, offseason work, he's towing cars and doing all

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Speaker 8: this crazy stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying, it's outside the top sixty. That's

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Speaker 3: all I'm saying. That's what. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: Like he pres you could get ten touches outside the

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Speaker 8: top sixty, potentially, you gotta take it.

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Speaker 6: Well, then let me let me ask you guys, and

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Speaker 6: I'll go throw a question at you guys. Matt, how

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Speaker 6: about that is before we get out of here. We're

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Speaker 6: in this range and maybe I'm drunk, but I'm looking

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Speaker 6: at seventy nine and I've actually owned him on quite

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Speaker 6: a few teams. So if we're talking about backups and

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Speaker 6: breaking right, Saquon Barkley just got hurt last year. Dean

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Speaker 6: Lewis was going as an RB three last year, and

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Speaker 6: I don't love Deon Lewis, But if we're talking about

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Speaker 6: handcuffs and backup situations and if something happens to Barkley,

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Speaker 6: I mean, we know Wayne Goalman's not a thing.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be Deon Lewis leading that backfield.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I mean I was actually thinking

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Speaker 2: about Deon Lewis as as a guy in this range,

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Speaker 2: who I should say his path to viability seems much

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Speaker 2: more realistic as opposed to someone like Jamal will Williams.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, you mean the guy who didn't play last

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Speaker 8: year versus the guy who did play last year. Like

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Speaker 8: it's all I'm saying. I'm not saying these coaches are right.

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Speaker 8: I'm just saying, look at the numbers, Look who played,

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Speaker 8: Look who did it.

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Speaker 4: I'd rather take Brian Hill than Jamal Williams.

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Speaker 8: That's why you don't take Todd Gurley because we can

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Speaker 8: talk about four different Falcons backed Edo Smith, Brian Hill,

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Speaker 8: Quadria Allison.

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Speaker 3: There's a fullback there.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 8: If he gets like one touch he gets a voter,

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Speaker 8: that's another touchdown. Like, just don't take Todd Gerd is

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Speaker 8: the moral of this whole podcast?

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Speaker 2: All right, Jake, what do you have going on at

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Speaker 2: the athletic in your podcast?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I said at that top twenty most own

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Speaker 6: guy so far last week, I had the projections actually

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Speaker 6: hate because those are the questions people always ask us,

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Speaker 6: is like, ya, you ranked them this way, but do

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Speaker 6: you actually draft them this way? And I think that's

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Speaker 6: the real Tell, and then we have a little bit

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Speaker 6: of a one oh one for people asking like how

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Speaker 6: do I do an auction? Like how do I do

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Speaker 6: fab like that type of stuff? Next week and then

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Speaker 6: podcast this week. Actually I have Jason Moore, the footballer

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Speaker 6: is coming on the All in Sports, and then the

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Speaker 6: athletic podcast is over there, the athletic stuff. I tweet

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Speaker 6: a stuff out. You guys know this just that's the

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Speaker 6: easy way find it, all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can follow Jake on Twitter at All in Kid.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jake, good stuff, Thanks for being on the

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Speaker 2: show man. It's always a pleasure, all right. And our

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Speaker 2: next NFL episode will break down our updated top fifty rankings.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye out for that. You can follow Sean,

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Speaker 2: Chris and Me in the Action Network, Gap at the Underscore, Oddsmaker,

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Speaker 2: Chris Raybond and Matt at the Oracle. Please subscribe to

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Speaker 2: and rate Interview the show and listen and download on Spotify.

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Speaker 2: See you again next episode. We're finished talking