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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by

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Speaker 1: Bucky here, move the sticks. What's up? Buck? What's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: Crazy day? With the trade deadline? It almost feels like baseball. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's awesome. This is the way it should be. The

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Speaker 1: only thing I would say is that Adam Rank had

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Speaker 1: a great idea. I retweeted him because he said, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I watched wrestling when I was a kid. I

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Speaker 1: don't really watch it as an adult. Sorry to say

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Speaker 1: for any wrestling fans out there, it's not my deal.

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Speaker 1: But he said they should not announce these trades. They

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Speaker 1: should just have their own walkout music. And all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, they just do announce the starting line up

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and it's like and starting at running and

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Speaker 1: then the whole fantasy they go crazy. It's it's a

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Speaker 1: he are marketing move right there. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of unbelievable, Like the amount of trades that

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Speaker 1: we've seen, it's really Bathard takes like three steps out

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Speaker 1: of the field, Buck, didn't they hook him and pull

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Speaker 1: him back? And also Jimmy Garoppolo comes jaunting onto the

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Speaker 1: field the mysterious tag team. Yes, what would be your

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Speaker 1: walkout music if you were traded? Oh? My walkout music?

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Speaker 1: Oh oh no, it's Daniel Jeremiah music. Well that's a

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Speaker 1: good one. If I had just left the Dolphins with

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Speaker 1: all the mess that they've been through, I probably would

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Speaker 1: just go with happy by Farrell. They can't run, I

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Speaker 1: mean they've been they haven't been good up front, your

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Speaker 1: offensive line coach, that whole thing too. Yeah. Now you're

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Speaker 1: in the seven one team. It's got a chance to

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Speaker 1: have home field advantage, and you're getting the weather in

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Speaker 1: the postseason. You're gonna probably get a chance to chew

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Speaker 1: up some yards. Let's jump into it. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo first though, Buck, that's the big one. Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: goes from the New England Patriots for a second round

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Speaker 1: pick to the San Francis, which it's gonna end up,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, probably being a top thirty five pick.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be darn near close to a first

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Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a eigtime move forward. And when

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Speaker 1: you think about all the conversation that was surrounded Jimmy

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Speaker 1: garoppolou we were led to believe that he would probably

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Speaker 1: pull back a first round pick if he'd been jettison

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Speaker 1: in the off season. They get him for a second

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Speaker 1: the conversation that you had internally was what is Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo right now? Where will he be in three to

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Speaker 1: four years versus what is available in the draft class.

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Speaker 1: Whichever quarterbacks that come out are the multiple guys that

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Speaker 1: you feel good enough about to build around and ford

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Speaker 1: go the opportunity to get up vet it was being

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Like I'm looking at his numbers career attempts,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have left the Patriots that have had some

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Speaker 1: to do. I do think you bring up an interesting

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo on the roster. It's really an eight game trial.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure though, you make that deal he's your guy

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Speaker 1: It's almost, though, when I'm looking at this whole situation

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Speaker 1: kirk Cousins was the option that that you see that

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Speaker 1: it does come down to that conversation between Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: it better to pay Kirk Cousins thirty plus million dollars

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Speaker 1: since we'll see if Jimmy Garoppolo can kind of handle

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Speaker 1: because that is a conversation that may have an influence

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Speaker 1: But they were saying, I just definitely not gonna help you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We've all got buddies that have been let go by

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Speaker 1: kind of falling off and the balls taking off on

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Speaker 1: him had some bad forces. Do give him this though,

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Speaker 1: three bad drops in that game, you know, No, Emanuel

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Speaker 1: Sanders was big for them, but also just kind of

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Speaker 1: drifting and sailing the balls sailing on him a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Just it's amazing, Buck, when you see these quarterbacks struggle

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Speaker 1: of the time, you go back and look at all

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Speaker 1: their feet, it's always defeat. But then for me, I

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Speaker 1: wonder what is affecting his footwork, what's affecting his bas

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Speaker 1: up front? Yeah, and so men like Watson, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw it tweet off there of him

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Speaker 1: on roller skates. So if you like with all quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: all quarterbacks changed once they started getting hit. And so

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Speaker 1: if the first six seven weeks of the season he's

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Speaker 1: taking a lot of punishment, he's not as confident or

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Speaker 1: as sturredy hanging in the pocket. That builds he feels.

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Speaker 1: And we saw it last week when we did the

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Speaker 1: break down to Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram. The charges

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Speaker 1: were all in the back for all in his way. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's a residual effect, and so we can blame him,

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Speaker 1: but the leaky offensive line affects the way that he

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Speaker 1: plays in the pocket. No, no question, um. Interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what happens in that division going forward. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to make of it. It's a kind of

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Speaker 1: a jackal and high division outside the Chiefs. Chiefs sitting

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Speaker 1: there at six and two. Yeah, coming off a couple

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Speaker 1: of losses, but they rebound on this one. The Broncos,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, and the Raiders from week to week, your

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Speaker 1: those teams, I still say the charges of the best team.

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Speaker 1: one score in every game. It seems like, down to

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Speaker 1: the minute, they're the more consistent of those groups. I'm

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Speaker 1: worried about the Oakland Raiders finding this way because defensively,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the defense can keep scores down

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Speaker 1: win games. And then with the Broncos, we saw it

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Speaker 1: last night. It their defense can play lights out, but

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Speaker 1: offensively they're struggling. They don't score enough points. And so

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Speaker 1: the Cancie the Chiefs looked like They're gonna cruise into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and win another division title in AFC West,

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Speaker 1: no question. So I interted to follow that as the

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Speaker 1: season unfolds. Here, as we're at the halfway mark, we

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Speaker 1: got to our offensive Line of the Week presented by

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Speaker 1: the uh the good folks at Ford. This is our

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Speaker 1: you can check that out. So offensive Line of the

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Speaker 1: Week presented by the FOURD F series Buck this week,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna nominate the Buffalo Bills for what they did

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Speaker 1: in that game. Shade McCoy finishing off of the long run,

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Speaker 1: no sacks allowed. I mean, I like with the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills have been doing in all aspects. This is a

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Speaker 1: like where the stars Shady McCoy, but who else? All

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Speaker 1: the stars? They really played well together and that offensive

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Speaker 1: line embodies the team spirit to Sean McDermott has created

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Speaker 1: in that locker room. They get it done. They've been

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Speaker 1: and fifty yards on the ground. This is a team

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Speaker 1: keep chalking up the winds, they're halfway home, meaning they're

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Speaker 1: halfway to tim Tim wins typically will get you into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. They look like a viable contending We will

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Speaker 1: get a chance to see them Thursday night on our

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Speaker 1: network against the New York Jests. How about that for

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Speaker 1: a plug in A promo that was nice unscripted, I

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Speaker 1: Uh man. This is normally my least favorite part of

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Speaker 1: the Tuesday audio show, you know, And I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was doing some reflection today. I was

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Speaker 1: doing some reflection. I was like, do we really even

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Speaker 1: need this part? Does this part even need to be

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Speaker 1: necessary in the in the podcast? Like, do we even

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Speaker 1: need to talk about this is the NFL NFL Draft podcast.

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Speaker 1: Why are we been talking about? I think we need

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Speaker 1: to skip this part, you know, I think we should

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Speaker 1: probably just cut this out. First place Kent seventy two

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Speaker 1: oh baby, we got it. We got somebody new in

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Speaker 1: third place. Buck, we gotta change sixty three and thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: After a ten and one week, I am out of

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Speaker 1: the cellar. I just focus on the bowl games, in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's when you're going big. And you went

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Speaker 1: bowld last week. Put it out there the four and

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Speaker 1: seven week for you, Buck, didn't didn't didn't work out

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Speaker 1: for me, didn't work out. I admire this would imire

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Speaker 1: about you. Well, first of all, you got me in

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Speaker 1: a last place. That's what imire about you. Most Secondly

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Speaker 1: is that going out blaze in your own path. This

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Speaker 1: is a man, ladies and gentleman, who months ago, months ago,

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Speaker 1: after all of us had been raving about the two

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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen quarterback class, Bucky went on the record. I

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Speaker 1: believe he wrote something instead, I would take the two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen group of quarterbacks over the two thousand eighteen

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Speaker 1: group of quarterbacks. I believe he took laughter. I be

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Speaker 1: if he took criticism scoffing. And now look at him now,

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Speaker 1: Shaun Watson's gonna throw for nine touchdowns this year, so

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Speaker 1: he's not afraid to go both. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: do enough, and I'm gonna tell you what I learned

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Speaker 1: it from. I learned this from Andre Rosen. Andre Rosen

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Speaker 1: said every week you should guarantee you a win because

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Speaker 1: they never remember when you lose. They all remember when

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Speaker 1: you win and hit the sound bite matters. Well, that

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Speaker 1: was like my scouting advice that I've told this many times.

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Speaker 1: It's the best scouting advice I got from an old

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Speaker 1: timer was a when you're in the room, it's better

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Speaker 1: to be strong and wrong than to be weak and right,

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Speaker 1: because if you're weaken right, they're never gonna remember what

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Speaker 1: you said. No, it don't matter if you got the

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Speaker 1: guy right or not. But you're passive in there. You

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Speaker 1: come in there, you swing a big stick, go big.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, I admire you for that buck. But more

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Speaker 1: than anything else, I are you get me out of

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Speaker 1: last place? Ohio State Penn State? Were any thoughts on

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Speaker 1: that one? I thought it was a fascinating game, and

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Speaker 1: I think here's the discussion and I'm looking at my

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Speaker 1: we talked about se Kwon Barkley. We talked about him enough.

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Speaker 1: Did discussion will be What is JT? Barrett? What is

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Speaker 1: j T? Barrett going to be when it comes time

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Speaker 1: to do the evaluation at Have you talked to anybody's

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Speaker 1: giving him a draftable grade? No, I haven't talked about it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't talked to anybody. Dude went in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: sixteen was sixteen at the end of the game. It

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Speaker 1: was the best game of his career. But here's here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. We're here Heisman trying to bring him up

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Speaker 1: as a Heisman candidate, and here the positives on JT.

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Speaker 1: Barrett to three time captain. He's one of a bunch

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Speaker 1: of games while he's been in Ohio State. Um, he

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Speaker 1: was different I thought as a youngster. In terms of

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Speaker 1: his sophomore year, I thought he was a little more athletic,

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Speaker 1: the way he ran around. He was a little different

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Speaker 1: in the way that he played. He's trying to find

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Speaker 1: his rhythm as a pocket passer. He's still maddeningly inconsistent

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Speaker 1: when he comes to connecting the dots consistently. But in

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Speaker 1: this game against Penn State, he made places. He showed

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Speaker 1: he could be a big game player. I am still

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Speaker 1: jaded on JT due to two games that I saw

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Speaker 1: one live. I saw him in the playoff against Clemson

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Speaker 1: and he could not complete a pass. Now, some of

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Speaker 1: that might have been due to his supporting cast, but

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Speaker 1: the game looked like he got away from him. He

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Speaker 1: just could not bring them back. They got shut outs

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Speaker 1: first time. I think Irvian might have been shut out

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Speaker 1: in eons, and then watching them against Oklahoma early this year,

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Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily put it together. And there had even

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Speaker 1: been some conversation in Ohio State Land about replacing them

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Speaker 1: with one of the younger quarterbacks. And so, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if that is the case as a prospect, it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't and give you a lot of confidence that he

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Speaker 1: can be a dude. But I will give him credit.

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Speaker 1: He played well against Penn State. I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 1: and look at the tape. Uh, we'll see. We'll just

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Speaker 1: see where he ends up. You know what kind of

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Speaker 1: career he could have. Kellen Moore, Wow, Kellen Moore, Kelly

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Speaker 1: Moore physically, I mean, JT is obviously a better athlete.

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Speaker 1: Kelly Moore is more accurate pastor Kellen Moore into a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, kill him more played how many

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Speaker 1: years five six years in the league as a backup.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Maybe seven years. But J. T.

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Speaker 1: Barrett is built for the preseason. You could have some

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Speaker 1: success in that. You might let it worry to go

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Speaker 1: with the ball get out. So here's what I wrote down.

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Speaker 1: I wrote down in my nose that he reminded me

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Speaker 1: of Jacoby Brissette. And so he didn't have that much

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Speaker 1: arm though, does he? But Jacober said a little more

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Speaker 1: juice a little bit. But then I went back and

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Speaker 1: I looked at Jacober said. Jacober said, transfer from Florida

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Speaker 1: when the NC State. Jacoby Brissette was barely a sixty

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Speaker 1: passer his entire career, even at NC State. And then

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at J. T. Barrett. J T. Barrett has

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Speaker 1: been mid sixties. You know who I'm selling. If I'm J. T.

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Speaker 1: Barrett's agent, you know who I'm selling him. Asks who

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Speaker 1: are you sell him as? Oh? It's Andy Dalton. Won

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Speaker 1: a bunch of games, can move around a little bit,

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Speaker 1: not a huge arm. Can you see that? That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm a was a second round pick. Jeez. Andy Dalton

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Speaker 1: did win a bunch of games. He was I mean

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Speaker 1: he had one. I think he was forty two seven

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Speaker 1: at TCU UM. He led them to the rolls bow

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Speaker 1: his final year. McCoy is another one. You kind of

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Speaker 1: look good, really good college quarterback. Not a real impressive skill.

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Speaker 1: So what you say Andy Dalton had more arm strength

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Speaker 1: than JT. Burg just for the what you're telling. What

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Speaker 1: you're saying though, is like right now, because Colt mcqui

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Speaker 1: went went around third something like that. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 1: dalt want second. Right now, we're saying at JT. Barrett,

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Speaker 1: I have not talked to a scout, but that's what

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Speaker 1: we're saying. That's what interesting. He goes out and adds

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Speaker 1: a little uh a little trophy magic to to the

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Speaker 1: end of the season here and and goes whoa trophy

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Speaker 1: man like trophy? Okay, okay, so here here's here's what

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Speaker 1: drives me crazy about the highsman. When we look at

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Speaker 1: football on Saturday, do we believe to j T. Bartt

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Speaker 1: is the best football player Barkley right now, you know,

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Speaker 1: opening kickoff, like you think how many voters were just

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Speaker 1: tweeting right there saying just this is my pet peeve.

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Speaker 1: If you just take away the too long place, didn't

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Speaker 1: do anything. You don't get to take away the too

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Speaker 1: long don't count. I think he only has three one

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Speaker 1: yeard games, though, can you win to Hysman without anch

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Speaker 1: receiving kick returns? I think you add you add in

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Speaker 1: the receiving. I think he's totally RD ties. He's killing it.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the year. You know it's always

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Speaker 1: gonna be the whoever plays well the last four games

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Speaker 1: because everyone, I guess they had bars remorse about the

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00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: whole Deshaun Watson thing. But Deshaun Watson shouldn't won the

639
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: Hyisman last year. He didn't outplay Lamar Jackson. I know

640
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson gets a bad rep he did not play him.

641
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: But I think this year, based on the Deshaun Wasson

642
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: thing at the end of the season, then winning the

643
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: national title and people felt bad, I think whoever gets

644
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: hot in November's gonna win it. I think it's really

645
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: set up for Baker Mayfield to win it starting this

646
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: Saturday with bedlam. By the way, what what's your what's

647
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: your take on? Folks that cover the college game, Let's say,

648
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: how how could you guys grew up? De Shaun Watson?

649
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: I saw I saw a couple of those tweets out there.

650
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of tweets out there. Buy you

651
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: like to bring up. You should put the pen down

652
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: when the game's end, and you brought it up on

653
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: Twitter again last night. I did because because what happens

654
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: and here we're here about it. All of these guys

655
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: that are rising up the boards, they're rising up the charts,

656
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: they're rising. There has been a game play. So after,

657
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: after the games are done, after the Senior Bowl has done,

658
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: put the pen away and don't change you great, because

659
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: what you saw on tape is really what they are.

660
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: We get seduced and we hear stuff, and we hear hustle,

661
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: and people tell us like, hey, he's gonna go and

662
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: so I guess it depends on how are you grading yourself.

663
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Are you worried about where he gets picked, or are

664
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: you worried about how he plays? For instance, the quarterback class,

665
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: DJ and I can take them to part We can

666
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: talk about the inconsistencies, but we can pretty much guarantee

667
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: you that three of those guys are gonna go on

668
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: the top ten. Big went in the top ten, regardless

669
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: of where we great him or not. So in the

670
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: spring on path to the draft, when we talk about it,

671
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to use a disclaimer like, hey, he's

672
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: gonna go. He's going to go. But here's what he is,

673
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: and you just gonna have to know that. And I

674
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: think Mr Risky is a classic case in point because

675
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if he and Pat Pat Mahomes, if

676
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: you had pulled people last year in November December about

677
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: both of those guys, I don't think that we would

678
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: have got a consensus that they were topped in talents.

679
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: Interesting thing though, because a lot of people say the

680
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: success you have individually as well as with the team,

681
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: if you if you combine those two things, then that

682
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: should be it's not that hard to evaluate these guys.

683
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: He should that's a slamdunk. How do you guys miss

684
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: on them? And so then I kind of just growing

685
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: through like some old Heisman winners here, and that would

686
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: mean that you know, well, obviously Manzil is a different deal.

687
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: R G three didn't really work. Um you look at

688
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: Tim Peebow didn't work. Troy Smith won a lot of games,

689
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: put up a lot of numbers. I remember there was

690
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: one National Annos at one one point in time saying

691
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: the Browns have to take him with their first pick.

692
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: This is during a college game. His his last year

693
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. He's the answer for the Browns. Troy

694
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: Smith m hm uh, Matt Leinert didn't really work out obviously,

695
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: Jason White nothing, Um, Eric Crouch, I mean, obviously I'm

696
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: skipping over some guys. Here's some cars. Palmer who's been good,

697
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Ron Dane, all that production, Um, Danny werfel So, Gino Torretta,

698
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Charlie Ward, Tyd deptmerre Ware. So, I mean, I just think,

699
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I think people it is as somebody who was in

700
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: the scouting profession for a while, as Bucky was. It

701
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: always irks me a little bit when people think that

702
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: scouting is a piece of cake. How could you guys

703
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: screw this up? Look at how successfully was in college,

704
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: you morons. Of course he's gonna do that in the NFL.

705
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: Not so fast. That's not the way it works. It's

706
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: not w works. So many different things, so many factors, um,

707
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: and I think we have discovered. I think after him,

708
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: if you had a Bowl statement about Sean mcbaby and

709
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: the best play caller in the business, Jerry Goff is

710
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: the same dude. He's the same athlete, the same thrower,

711
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: the same everything. The difference is situation matters coaching, staff,

712
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: supporting cast. You put him around the right coaching staff

713
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: with the right supporting cast. Now Jerry Goff looks like

714
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: they got it. We debated for a ninety minute show,

715
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: like three hours show what go for West? Like? Now

716
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: he looks like a guy that should be in that

717
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: conversation and so it matters. There are a lot of

718
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: circumstances that lead people to have success that we expect

719
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: them to have at Scouts. I just think it's an

720
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: exact sign. I know we've kind of taken a turn

721
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: off the college game, but that's like people ask me, Rabisky,

722
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: what do you think. I have no idea. They have

723
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: no receivers, have no receivers. Don't I wantt a huge

724
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: Trobisky gout coming out, But I'm telling you I can't

725
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: give you anything. We've talked about that run the ball,

726
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: but they've got to put some people around him, and

727
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: maybe by the time this podcast there's they'll have added somebody.

728
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: But you can't evaluate these guys until they've they've been

729
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: given and some help. You have to give them support.

730
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: And I think the bad thing, particularly when it comes

731
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks, we kind of put them in a vacuum

732
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: and we expect them to do everything by themselves. It

733
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: takes a team effort. It's a collaborative effort. Then they

734
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: gotta have the right qualities, the right mix and look, man,

735
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: you coined it trucks and trailers. Um, everybody is not

736
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: meant to be a trailer. Everyone can't uh take the

737
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: team on their own. But there are plenty of guys.

738
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: If you have the right stuff and you know they

739
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: are getting the back along the right I'm alive and

740
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: the rod I won't mess it up. Those are guys

741
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: that you can win with. And so it just depends

742
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: on the composition of your team and your roster. Last

743
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: thing on the college game, I mean I was scheduled.

744
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: I run out of time. Wasn't gonna schedule about Notre Dame.

745
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: Just just crushing n See State. They're they're good up

746
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: front now Notre Dame. Miss hey man. The way Notre

747
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: Dame plays, I mean, it is a throwback. I know,

748
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's the spread. It's almost like the

749
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: single wing, like the Notre name box that they're running back.

750
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: There were Brandon Wimbush as another running back. Uh man,

751
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: Look yeah, Brian Kelly, credit for being able to change

752
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: his style. He's a guy that ideally likes the thought

753
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: around in the spread, but he has found a way

754
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: to look at what he has and build around him

755
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: and he dirt. He deserves kudos, no question. So the

756
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: last thing I want to get to hear, what is

757
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: this dude to Luke Fawkes draft stock. The fact that

758
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: he's been pulp benched in two games now this year.

759
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: It has to hurt him absolutely. It has to hurt

760
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: his It has to hurt his value as uh, because

761
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: you have to go in there and wonder, like, hey,

762
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: what's going on with the guy. This is a senior quarterback,

763
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: a guy that came back who some said he would

764
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: have been a day one day to pick if he

765
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: had come out last year. He comes back, he returns.

766
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: There have been people in the program on record that

767
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: have told scouts that he was the reason for their

768
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: success last year because of his ability to manage the

769
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: game at the line of scrimmage, to get the team

770
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: and the right calls to hold the offense more accountable

771
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: to being balanced. Now this year, a year removed, he's

772
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: not capable of being a starting quarterback at times for

773
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: this game. I don't know. I think you have to

774
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: go in there and investigate. But there have been times

775
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: where I think we've seen quarterbacks that have gone through

776
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: this and you just kind of figure like it's the

777
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: coach stuff. In fact, Deshauan Kaiser went through something similar

778
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame being benched, coming in and out to

779
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 1: yo yo or whatever. But I think this will lead

780
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: people to have to investigate, and I think what it

781
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: does for Falk it is now more important than ever.

782
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: Did he goes to one of those off star games

783
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: and show up, No question, he asked to show up

784
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: there and have a good week there. I think this

785
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: will cost him a round her too. It changes the perception,

786
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: which is, I don't know, Mike Lee's a different cat. Now. Yeah,

787
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: that's that's what I was about to say. But he's

788
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: also got the Apple Cup at the end of the year.

789
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: If he shows out there that that'll definitely help. He's

790
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: got Stanford this week, who we beat last year, and

791
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: that would be a big for him to have a

792
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: big game. Stand. Are we sure that he's gonna start? Yeah?

793
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: He is. I was told he started. Okay, that's that's

794
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a huge thing. So how does he

795
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: respond back? To the last time they did it. He

796
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: came out, he was lights out the following the game,

797
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: but and then kind of leads you to believe he

798
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: was What's going on with some more system quarterback? Like,

799
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: What's what's the deal? All I know is I'm not

800
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: picking Wazoo again. They have roasted me in the picks.

801
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: They've hurt me. The coin flip was good for me

802
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: on the Iowa State pick last week, leaving leave it

803
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: in the hands of the oh Man. Did you see

804
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: their coach after the game? Oh? He gave him a

805
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: nice little spiel buying to the process on the standard process.

806
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Don't look at it, don't listen on it. The outside

807
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: noise there. You buy in. If you love the process,

808
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: the process will love you back. I think N seventy

809
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: six or style. Yeah, the process. All right, last question

810
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: for you before we get out of here. We haven't

811
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: done role playing a couple of weeks. I'm not gonna

812
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: do it here. We'll save it for another time. But

813
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: I was looking for to being Jim mcawaan. No, how

814
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: about that cash he's gonna walk away with, though, well,

815
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: it gave him a discount, not that much, I don't think. Yeah,

816
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: I think he was twelve men he was supposed to get.

817
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: He didn't get. I think they asked off for so

818
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: he walked with eight Yeah you can. You can buy

819
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: a lot of fishing rods for eight million. I wonder

820
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: if you can. I wonder if you can double dip though, Yeah,

821
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: they always end up doing that. He can go get

822
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: a job somewhere else, and you know it does a job.

823
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: And on the west coast Arizona state, No no, no

824
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: o state. I might actually fit him. Yeah where he's from.

825
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Even though the interim Chory Hall has done a good job.

826
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: He's emotional. Man, I should have beat Stanford. Yeah, he

827
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: was going crazy speaking speeches. Yeah he was. He was

828
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: going nuts the game. It's fun to watch, um, all right,

829
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna have your role play

830
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: Jim hardbow about whether or not you would, uh, you

831
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: would go to the Colts. But save that for another day.

832
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: To come back his names in the raft, I get

833
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: to go back home. Yeah, we'll save that one. Can

834
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: you imagine can you imagine Jim Hard being able to

835
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: tap Andrew Luck? Well, well, don't don't tap him too hard. Careful,

836
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: try to tell people have trading them before four four pm.

837
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: Before that, were got out here? Not good? All right,

838
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: Look that was a fun episode. Let's get out of here.

839
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: We got all this stuff we gotta get today, Buck,

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00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: it's been fun. We'll be back here in a couple

841
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: of days. Thank you, guys for listening to Movie Sticks

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00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: presented by the Board Off series We'll catch you next.

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