1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Steve here. As we recently announced, we are 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: no longer producing new episodes of the podcast, but we 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: did have content that we have recorded that we had 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: not put into the regular feed for everybody to hear, 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: and we wanted to share that with you, of course. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: So what you're hearing here is one of those episodes 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: of Down the Rabbit Hole that hadn't gone out into 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: the regular feed and had only previously been available through 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: the premium service. So enjoy and thanks a lot. 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Oh yeah, on birds too, thinking 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: sideways stories of things we simply don't know the answer to. 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, down Joe, Hi, there, welcome to a 22 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: special bonus episode of Thinking Sideways Down the rabbit Hole. 23 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: Down the rabbit Hole. I am Joe, joined us always 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: by and Steve. And although I'm using a code name today, Yeah, 25 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: it's a laptop. I thought was Clu based on this story. 26 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Just in honor of this story, I figured I would 27 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: go by a code name laptop. Okay. Yeah, And by 28 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: the way, we have a really kick ass story for 29 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: the for you this week. Uh. It is about the 30 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: sunken city of Akacre. Yes, a lost city. Whoa an 31 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: entire city. Like those things are big. They don't know 32 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: your pocket. You never know. Sometimes they run away to 33 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: join the circus chant your name, I mean, yeah, yeah, 34 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: but this one is this wasn't a really fascinating one. 35 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: This this the the story about this is among the 36 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: Indians along the Rio Negro River in northern Brazil. Then 37 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: there is a legend of an ancient lost city named Akacre. 38 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: It's kind of like El Dorado, which is in north Brazil. 39 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: Actually not that far away from this one. I guess 40 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: that's that's sort of in the north northern Brazil. The 41 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: as a way of the Guiana area, which one is 42 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: the lost city of z Lost city of z Is 43 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: in central Brazil. There's a whole bunch of these, so 44 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: I have time keeping them straight. Yeah, Brazil is as 45 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: big as some continents. This is a freaking big place, 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: and somehow they've lost all of their cities. You know. 47 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: Actually Brazilia is not yet lost, but I predict it 48 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: will be one of these days probably. You know what, 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: We've invented the weed eater. They're not going to lose 50 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: any more cities. That's really what the problem was. They 51 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: couldn't keep up with the weeds. Brazila would need a 52 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: mega weed eater, I think. But well, you know, we'll 53 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: put the best minds to work on that one. But 54 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: back to Acacre. This's the lost city of Akacara. If 55 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: you've never heard of it before, you actually probably have. 56 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: It gets mentioned in the last Indiana Jones movie. Remember 57 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: that one Indiana in the last sequel? Yeah, yeah, I 58 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: watched that piece of crab. Yeah it was a big letdown. 59 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: But the movie was called Actor in the movie, and 60 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: there's a t yeah with the t is as the 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: second k and the tribe that lives there is called 62 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: the Ugo Moyula, which is a little different from the 63 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: actual tribe that lives in Akacre suppose. But anyway, yeah, 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: but so anyway, you've sort of heard of it then, 65 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: But our our mystery is, well, is Acacore a myth 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: like Eldrado or z or you know, it wan't like 67 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: some of these places. It just hasn't been found yet 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: because I remember it was only recently, you know, comparatively speaking, 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: that the city of Troy it was believed by everybody 70 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: to be a myth, and actually it was found. So 71 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: who knows, Maybe Akacre is real Atlantis to maybe yeah, 72 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: they found it. Oh that's right, yeah, yeah, And so 73 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: you know, who knows. By the time this gets depressed, 74 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: maybe it will have been found and we'll have egg 75 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: on our face. But the question, of course is, you know, 76 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: how did the western world learn of Accacre? I mean obviously, 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: you know, the Indians of northern Brazil knew all about 78 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: it for centuries, but we lost it. Yeah, I know, 79 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: they made it, they lost it. I know I had it. 80 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: Where is it come on? Man like glasses? Oh? Well, anyway, 81 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: we learned about it from an Indian named Tatunka Nera 82 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: Tatukas people who were called the Uga Mongool Mongolo La 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: now mango mango la la. Yeah, it's a hard one. 84 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: They are a hidden tribe and I'm much reduced hidden 85 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: tribe by the way, but they battle for centuries against 86 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: the incurasions of the Europeans into their sacred homeland as 87 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: they came further and further into the interior Brazil, search 88 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: of resources, et cetera. By the late nineteen sixties, Totunka 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: was the last chief. He had just been made the 90 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: chief of this tribe because his father had died and 91 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: he had decided by this time that the only realistic 92 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: hope of survival for his people was for them to 93 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: make peace with the white man. This is his story, 94 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, this is yeah, what you're telling 95 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: right now is the story that I'm telling, This story 96 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: of Totunka and how he came in contact with I 97 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: just want to make sure that people understand. This is 98 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: what he says. This is his part of the story. Yeah, 99 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: this is kind of what he says. Well, he did well, 100 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: he met with people, and so you know. But anyway, 101 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: so he left Akakora in the year twelve thousand four 102 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: or fifty one, which was by their calendar, by our calendar, 103 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: that's nineteen seventy and he discovered Bill Bottom's Terrible TV 104 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: and Afro. Whoa, it's a pretty awful time to be 105 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: introduced to the West world. You think about it. Yeah, 106 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. But in 107 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: nineteen seven he went among the what they call the 108 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: white Barbarians to try to save his people. Yeah. While 109 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: there he met with various government officials, et cetera, had 110 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, some hopeful promises which were mostly broken. The yuda, 111 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: YadA YadA, you know how that goes. But then Tattuka 112 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: met a man named Carl Brugger in March nineteen seventy two. 113 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Carl Bruger was a German TV journalist, and Tattuka thought 114 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: that well he could help to tell the story of 115 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: his tribe to the rest of the world. Of course, 116 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: as you know, their time went back to the year 117 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: zero or ten thousand forty one, because you already know 118 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: I quoted that that year of twelve thousand, four fifty 119 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: one just a few minutes ago. For you want BC 120 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: or BC by our calendar. Yeah, I mean, I guess 121 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: that should go without saying. But I don't know how 122 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: long the podcast might still be out there and and 123 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: BC will be totally just know in ten thousand, for 124 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: what was it ten there will be there will be 125 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: files of us on the spaceships going into the depths 126 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: of Yeah, I'm just saying, got to clarify, you don't 127 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: know that's true. I can imagine all these spacefarers listen 128 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: to antique episodes of thinking sideways. That'll be great, Hi guys, Okay, 129 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: don't crash the ship. If that will be the hipsters 130 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: of the thirty seventh century, probably, Yeah, I'll listen to 131 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: these antique audio only recordings. Oh my god. But here, okay, 132 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: we got back to We gotta hustle through this. So 133 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: back to our tribe. Here do you got Mongola Over 134 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: the centuries have built a vast civilization which includes a 135 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: few sites that we know today such as Cuzco and 136 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Machu Pichu and Peru. Uh. Many of the cities were 137 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: connected by a network of underground tunnels. Um. It was 138 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: quite the project. Yeah, and the tribe was helped on 139 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: this project. They believed by their sky gods who rode 140 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: around in golden ships that floated in the sky. Aliens. Well, 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: some people think so, Um, that's what got some people 142 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: actually interested in this story about ancient aliens. Of course, 143 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, that could just be part of their their 144 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: foundational tail. And this is all just sort of you know, 145 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: like kind of all the stories we're reading, you know, 146 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: and other you know, like the Greek the Greek gods, 147 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: and some people would say some of the stuff that 148 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: appears in our own Bible is a little bit alien 149 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: apocryphal or paper possibly, like I say, alien, Yeah, so 150 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: it could be aliens, uh AlSi okay, But most of 151 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: the city is unfortunately were destroyed or abandoned by the 152 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: late twentieth century and overtaken by the jungle. And by 153 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: the way, if you want to read the complete account 154 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: of this, the Chronicle of Akacre, it's actually available on 155 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: the interwebs. I'll tell you how to find it later. 156 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: But you can read this in much much, much more 157 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: more detail. Yeah, yeah you can. Uh So, most of 158 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: these cities have been uh basically were gone, but the 159 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: three most important cities remained, and they were Aka kor 160 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: Akanus and Akaheem, which all of which have been hidden 161 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: by the tribe because Tatunka became aware of it through 162 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: his contact with the European Necesary. He became aware of 163 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: the existence of the airplane, and so he had his 164 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: people hide those cities so that they would not be 165 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: spotted from the air, clever thinking, although it makes them 166 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: a little harder to find now, Yeah, unfortunately, when did 167 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: they figure out that airplanes were around? Well, that was 168 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: for him, and that was probably in the late sixties 169 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: when he sort of figured it out. Or maybe it's 170 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: funny because airplanes have been flying around for much Okay, 171 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: any they weren't necessarily flying over all of the Sorry, yeah, 172 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: I want to poke a bunch of holes in the 173 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: sky story, And I just I don't know why i'd 174 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: want to do that. That's it's a pretty incontestable story. 175 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: And by the way, these actually cities weren't that hard 176 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: to hide anyway, because were mostly underground. Also, of course, 177 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: another one outside the tribe knew how to find them, unless, 178 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: of course, he used a plane, and if they weren't 179 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: disguised cleverly from below. Uh so a contests, Remember that's 180 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: one of the three cities was apparently somewhere in Central America. 181 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: Akacor was in a high mountain valley somewhere near the 182 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: Peru Brazil border, and Ocaheen was near the Brazil Venezuela border, 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: and it was most closely linked with Akacor and Uh 184 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: and it's still around apparently, at least according to Tatunka 185 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: it is. It's abandoned and lost in the Jungeral of course. 186 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: But Acacor was the most important of the three because 187 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: it was the biggest, and it had a great temple 188 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: of the sun in the center of it that contained 189 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: a library that had documents and maps and star charts 190 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: that basically told the whole history of the earth. So 191 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: this is kind of like the Library of Alexandria crossed 192 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: with an Aztec temple, kind of like that, except underground. Yeah, probably, yeah, 193 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: and prehistoric. Yeah, I mean yeah, I think that they 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: had their own according to him, as people had their 195 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: own alphabet that will contain fourteen hundred characters. Yeah, and 196 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: which actually is in South America or even all of 197 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: North and South America. I think written alphabet is kind 198 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: of unknown. So that's that of itself is pretty remarkable. Yeah, 199 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: I mean I think an alphabet like that. It wouldn't 200 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: surprise me if they had an alphabet. No, it's not 201 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: not prolific. Perhaps that's actually not that that crazy of 202 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: a big number. Though, if you think of like Asian languages, 203 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, Chinese or Korean or any of those, where 204 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: is it we're so used to in the West, We're 205 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: so used to English because it's A is always a 206 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: letter A, and it's interchangeably used in all these words. 207 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: But that's the genius of English. I'm not tiding your 208 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: language just the way it was created. But these other 209 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: languages a symbol or a character reper since x, and 210 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: that's pretty much all it is to learn to write 211 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: the language. You have to learn all of those individual 212 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: ones to be able to perceive them. So that's I 213 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: don't think that numbers all that small, because I think 214 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: Chinese and Korean greatly outnumbered. Yeah, Stephen has her phonder 215 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: in hand, though it is looking at me like I'm 216 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: going to blow you out of the water. According to 217 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: the Internet, the language that has the most letters and 218 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: it's alphabet is a Cambodian language that has seventy four 219 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: letters in its alphabet. Well, I think about Chinese is 220 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: that they're basically two. There are two Chinese alphabets. One 221 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: is there is the more traditional one that's got infinite 222 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: numbers of similar I mean Japanese is similar. They have 223 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: three different written languages, but they're different written languages. But 224 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: I guess what you're saying is an alphabet, and I'm 225 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: saying there's characters, because the characters represent individual things. That's 226 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: the only difference. It's it doesn't matter, we can get 227 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't really academic at that point. That's I think 228 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: this is a huge number of characters. It is a 229 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: vast number of characters. It really is m But you know, again, 230 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe efficiency was not their watchword apparently. Yeah. 231 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: So Carl Brugger, our journalist friend, recorded all of his 232 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,239 Speaker 1: conversations with Tatunka, the chief of the dying Ugat Manga 233 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: Mango La La tribe, and he also wanted an expedition 234 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: with Tatuka to try to find a lost city of Okaheem. 235 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: This happened in September nineteen seventy two, and they spent 236 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: about six weeks out in the jungle apparent, you know, 237 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,239 Speaker 1: beating the brush. It did not manage to find it, unfortunately, 238 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: and then they came back to civilization and Bruger went 239 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: back to Germany and wrote a book and published in 240 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. Uh it was called The Chronicle of Akacor, 241 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: and actually it was fairly widely read. Uh. I wouldn't 242 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: say it was a national, you know, number one international bestseller, 243 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: but it was widely read by a lot of you know, 244 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: by a lot of people. Well that is that's the 245 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: same isn't that the same time frame as O God? 246 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: What's that giant ancient alien cherry to the God? But 247 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: Derrick von Donan did that come out about early seventies? Yeah, so, 248 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of it was about that 249 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: time where he was he was kind of following the 250 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: very mainstream thread of topic at the time. Yeah, it's 251 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: like true crime podcast today. They are all the freaking 252 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: race exactly. At that point, it was write books about 253 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: old aliens. Yeah, and so this one actually so naturally 254 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: caught on with a lot of people. A lot of 255 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: people came, you know, actually became a little obsessed with 256 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: finding you know, this lost city of Akkakor. People even 257 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: managed to go all the way to Brazil because some 258 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: people even tracked down Tatunka himself ask for called Brugger. 259 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: He was murdered in re Auditionario in unfortunately a stranger 260 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: walked up to him in Epanema Beach and shot him 261 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: dead and he walked away. The stranger that was never 262 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: caught and the motive is unknown, So that's an unsolved 263 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: mystery as well. That is a mystery, you know, and 264 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: it does it doesn't make this are a little more 265 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: intriguing because, I mean, what had he done to get murdered. Well, 266 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: he did publish this book. He also was pan in 267 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: a country where Europeans that weren't always viewed with the 268 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: best regard because colonialism is a problem. I mean, you 269 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: can you can be a white guy and somebody has 270 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: a problem, you know what, I hate you white people, 271 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: Well kill you, you know. Or it could have been 272 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: something else. I don't know, I mean, and it always 273 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: got a fairly high murder rate people. Yeah, he could 274 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: have He could have been hitting on somebody's girlfriend. Could 275 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: have been as simple as that. Or he somebody out 276 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: of drugs in a drug deal. God knows. I kind 277 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: of doubted. I think he was murdered because he published 278 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: this book. Okay, so that's the ancient alien theory. But 279 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: even though he was murdered, that didn't diminish the excitement 280 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: over Acacorp. Even though yeah, it looked like poking around 281 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: this ledgure might be a bit of a dangerous business, 282 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: but people still did it. Uh. Tattoonka took three different 283 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: people into the jungle to look for a city. Apparently, Uh, 284 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: can I ask a question, Yeah, he he knows where 285 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: the city is, but he took them into the jungle 286 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: to look for the city the expedition to find it. 287 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: And actually he knew where the city was, but apparently 288 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: from from the closest you can get by by river 289 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: car whatever you had to hike, you know, or you 290 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: had to hike, take take a canoe a certain distance. 291 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm pointing out is I just realized 292 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: that everywhere it is described that he is taking it on, 293 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: taking these people on an expedition of exploration to try 294 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: and find it. But he's always said he knows where 295 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: the hell it is, So why is he telling like 296 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: you see what do you see the contradiction in terminology 297 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: that uses I It strikes me as a little off. 298 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: Has a lot of things about this guy. Well, it 299 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: might be that he actually said, let's we'll go to 300 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: the city. I'll take you there and I know the way, 301 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: And these people told their friend as well We're gonna 302 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: go try to find a city. I mean, we don't know. 303 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he might have said, very confidently, Yeah, I 304 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: know exactly where it is. I know exactly you know 305 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: how to get there? Yeah, and so I don't know. 306 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: But there were three three incidents. So when he left 307 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty on an expedition to Accacore with an 308 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: American named John Reid, who was never seen again. Yeah, 309 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: I know. Uh. In three, Tunka took a Swiss explorer 310 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: named Herbert Vaughner into the rainforest, and Vaughner was never 311 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: seen again, although his his skull and a few bones 312 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: and his sneaker were found a year year two later. 313 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: Skull right, he did have a bullet hole in his head, 314 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: which is suspicious. Well, no, it can be. Actually if 315 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: your skulls sitting there and some other people come along 316 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: drinking beer and shooting John as they decided to use 317 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: your skull as a target, you know that happens a lot. Actually. Yeah. 318 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: And then in six he had another curious European came along. 319 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: This was Christine Hoisier from Spaden, Sweden. For you, other 320 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: people uh left with Tattooka on an expedition and vanished 321 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: without a trace, or at least as far as we 322 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: next had actually contacted Tatuka and was hanging out with him. 323 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: Apparently she saw I was Yeah, she was a little 324 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: fan girly with the guy. Yeah. Uh. And Tatuka said, 325 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: he has no idea what happened to any of these people? Yeah, 326 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: so did they head off into the jungle part ways 327 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: and head back into civilization and and just get killed 328 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: on the way. And Tatuka came back by his own, 329 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, his own way, and just had no idea 330 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: what had happened to them. I don't know. I mean, 331 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: I really don't know. Or did he murder them? Um, 332 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: I really don't know. There's been a lot of suspicions 333 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: there were. There was a Brazilian investigation and an investigation 334 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: by another government as well, and basically they dropped had 335 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: to drop the case due to lack of evidence. So 336 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: nobody really knows. His friends of people that know him, 337 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: friends and family say without hesitation, he did not kill anybody. 338 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, I don't mean that in any accusatory way, 339 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: but of course they do. Yeah, they're not objective obvious, 340 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Yeah, But as far as I know, 341 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: nobody else since n has died looking for acacor as 342 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: far as I know, nobody else that we know of 343 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: it's gone looking for it. Though, um you know, I 344 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, it might be that 345 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: people have. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me, but nobody's 346 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: gone out and really publicized it hugely, you know, and 347 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: gone out and done And so people somebody or another 348 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: might have gone out and done it and just quietly 349 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: expired in the jungle. Or maybe maybe they went out 350 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: and wasted a month's time and came back and said, well, 351 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: I grant money and I found nothing. Yeah, that could 352 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: be it. Yeah, but our city, Aacre, is needless to say, 353 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: still lost. And so that is essentially at the Suncon 354 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: city of Akacre in a nutshell. That's that is very brief. 355 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: Like I said, there's a lot more detail in Bruger's book, 356 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: The Chronicle of Akacre, which you can find on Amazon, 357 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: and actually I found a PDF copy of it on 358 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: the interwebs also, so you don't even need to buy it. 359 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: You can read the whole thing right on the web. 360 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: To do enough clicking and searching, it's not hard to 361 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: find it. Look type in Acre or chronicle of a 362 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: type of chronicle of acacrea, and you will find it, 363 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: but don't don't catch the don't try to go there. 364 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: It sounds like a dangerous place, alright, dangerous jungle. 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Now, if you excuse me, 419 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: I gotta go hit the showers and get cleaned up 420 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: after that slow walk around the block. Okay, we're back, 421 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: go for it. Our mry, of course, doesn't exist. So 422 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: we got three basically three possibilities here, which is it's 423 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: it's real, or it's kind of real but little exaggerated, 424 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: or it's just a mess. Okay, So let's start with 425 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: the first one, which is it's real, so of course 426 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: it is haters, of course it's real. Yeah, I know, man, 427 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: it's it's only messing like. It's like I said before, 428 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: it disappeared to start a new life, and they renamed 429 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: itself Cincinnati. Yeah, yeah, Troy, Troy, that's a good one. Yeah. 430 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: Or it's missing as a drunk that maybe the jungle 431 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: just grew all over it made it disappear, which is 432 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: which is totally believable. Actually that's more like a murder though, 433 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah. Well, but the the whole jungle growing everything, 434 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys know is I was in Cambodia 435 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: and I went to um oh god, the anchor Yeah. 436 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: I went to Anchor Wat, which is a five acre 437 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: complex and it was in a huge, freaking giant hundreds 438 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: of feet tall, structures, and the thing was completely and 439 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: totally overgrown by the jungle for century, Yeah, for centuries, 440 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: until they founded and then started trying to scrape at 441 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: all the jungle away from it. So it's it's not 442 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: it's not hard to imagine that if the society that 443 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: is running the place dies off or drops in population, Yeah, 444 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: it gets overtaken, of course. Yeah, because the jungle is 445 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: it does not dink around. It will come in and 446 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: take things right back. Well, it will. Actually, there's not 447 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: even the jungle. I mean there's been there's some photographer, 448 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: actually more than one. It's done just the photographs of 449 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: urban landscapes have fallen into decay where where like freeways 450 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: or roads or whatever are actually over in Florida that 451 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: never got moved into. Yeah, they get they get a 452 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: little moss like on the on the on the road, 453 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: and the next thing, you know is moss grows on that. 454 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, weeds growing that, and then trees 455 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: grow in that. I mean, oh my god, I heard 456 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: somewhere that it was like six years or something that 457 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: it only takes six years of no human habitation for 458 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: something to just like complete. Probably that would surprise me 459 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: even even Yeah, even the small human contingent would wouldn't 460 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: slow that down hardly at all, because it's just walking 461 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: through it. Yeah, the exception probably would be the desert. 462 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: That the little town of the desert can probably last 463 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: a long time, except for it gets all the sand 464 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: in it and stuff. Well it does, but I mean, 465 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: it's not gonna get overgrown, and because it's dry, it's 466 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: not gonna rot. And you know, like like anything any 467 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: ghost town right here in this part of Oregon, and 468 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: they are out there, they've all rotted and fallen down, 469 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, but out there in the eastern Oregon they haven't. 470 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, it does seem like somebody from the tribe 471 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: would still know where this place was though, you would think, 472 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: And you know, even though it was a dying tribe, 473 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: there were far fewer a number of them at the 474 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: time Tatunka came out of the jungle to make peace 475 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: with the white man, there still were some around and 476 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: there still are something today, I'm sure. So you know, 477 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: it could be real, but you know, and it does 478 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: look like considering that people who go looking forward or 479 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: who write books about it have a way of disappearing 480 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: and or dying, it seems like somebody's trying to keep 481 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: this a secret. Yeah, but you could say that about 482 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: El Dorado and the Lost City of z All these 483 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: people went trying to find it and they didn't find 484 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: it and a bucket load of them die. Well, maybe 485 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: that's pretty To find a lost city is a bad 486 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: idea in general, and it has nothing to do with 487 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: a gricre. Yeah. Maybe it's maybe the loss because they're 488 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: just in a really bad neighborhood and they're hiding. Yeah, 489 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: and it's not not to insult the Brazilians or anything, 490 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: but the Amazonian rainforest does strike me in a sense 491 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: a really bad neighborhood. Yeah. You know, it's just really 492 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: dangerous and unexplored everything. Everything they're either it wants to 493 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: kill you or it wants to infect you with a 494 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: nasty little parasite. You know. That's it. That is the food, 495 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: That is that. That is a freaking jungle. Yeah, everything 496 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: there wants to Yeah. That's the theory, which is that 497 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: it could be it could be that it's something that 498 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: was started out kind of real, but it's been sort 499 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: of built up over the centuries, being passed down from 500 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: generation in the generation of local tribes and so who knows, 501 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe Akakar is real, but maybe it's 502 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: just kind of a little humble sun temple in an 503 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: outhouse and it's just grown into this vast metropolis over 504 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: the centuries people have talked about it. So one thing 505 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: that I have a problem with with the story of Akakar, 506 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: and I know this is very generic, but it's it's 507 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: a subterranean city. There are not very many of those 508 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: in in general, in the world that you know of. 509 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, well, if you think about 510 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: Vietnam when during the Vietnam War there was entire cities 511 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 1: and complexes in China and in Um in Germany they 512 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: did it for a while. There's tons of tunnels in Europe, right, 513 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: but there was these tunnels in towns that were underground. 514 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: But if it's a thousand years old, well that's going 515 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: to have collapsed more than likely. So then that makes 516 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: me lean towards the Okay, it was a story of 517 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: these crazy people who lived underground, but eventually the earth 518 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: collapsed and the city disappeared, and that's why they couldn't 519 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: find that's the possibility. Well, you know, although I don't 520 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: know how they did this. According to tattooka. The city 521 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: was made of stone, so it sounds to me like 522 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: what they did is they found like a depression in 523 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: the ground, basically Milton and built a stone, built their 524 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: city and then maybe covered out with you know, some 525 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: shrubberies and stuff. Listen. I saw that movie Raiders Have 526 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: Lost Ark, and it was a lot of exposed dirt 527 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: and very few stones, so obviously that's what it was. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, 528 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: Raiders Have Lost Ark or do you mean any Indiana 529 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: Jones and Lost Arc is much better than the last 530 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Crystal Skull movie. I gotta say the Intent series, you know, 531 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: the first one was one of the most awesome movies 532 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: of all time, and Raiders was, and just about all 533 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: the sequels have disappointed. I actually liked the one with 534 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: Sean Connery, was like Sean because he's fun. That was 535 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: definitely the best. He's a counterpoint and I like Sean Connery. 536 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: But but that one, but even that was not really 537 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: as good as the first movie, I'm sorry to say. Okay, so, 538 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: so the Sean Connery theory has been killed with Okay, 539 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: no Sean Connery, so so okay, maybe maybe maybe, although 540 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: at the same time, I guess that means it doesn't exist. 541 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: Because if it's something that actually existed but it was 542 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: a humble little place and it's grown into this huge 543 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: lost to it's actually worth finding. Well, I guess Occacret 544 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: really doesn't exist, does it. That's the story. Yeah. Yeah, 545 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: So our next one is, well, it's maybe just a legend, 546 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: maybe just bs okay the subject, but could somebody make 547 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: something like this up? No, definitely not. I mean you can't. 548 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean that's a huge thing 549 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: to make up a whole network of lost cities and something. 550 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: You usually make up stories about how you lost your 551 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: homework or something like that. And so yeah, I've never 552 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: heard of the entire place being made up before. No, like, 553 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: that's not fictional writing at all. No, I mean it 554 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: never happens. That's not a thing. Yeah. No, with my grandma, 555 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: it's like to say, bullshit just can't be piled out high. Yeah, 556 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: you just can't do it, ye do it? Yeah, but 557 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: some people think it can believe it or not. There's 558 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: a German explorer named Ruger Naberg who met Tatunka in 559 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: the late nineteen eighties. He had read the Chronicle of 560 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: Okkakor and found and it did a little research on Tattunka, 561 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: and uh he discovered that Tatunka, whose name, by the way, 562 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: means big water snake in the language of his people. 563 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: That means that things a little detail for you there, 564 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: um yeah, never mind. Yeah, but he uh didn't he 565 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: discovered that Tatunka was not actually an Indian. Uh. Tattunka 566 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: was actually a German guy named Hancy Richard Gunther Hawk 567 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: from Bavaria. Yeah. Apparently he skipped out of Germany in 568 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties six because he wasn't making his child support 569 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: payments and he was looking at maybe getting prosecuted, maybe 570 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: a little maybe even a little jail time, so he 571 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: left town. Yeah. Eventually he found his way to Brazil, 572 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: where he started learning Portuguese and began working on his 573 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: Deep Deep Tan. I've seen pictures of this guy and 574 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: he is dark. I mean, he looks kind of his 575 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: features are kind of European, but he is really really dark. 576 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: But he does not, to me anyway, look like he 577 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: could be mistaken as a local. Oh no, not really 578 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: having which is why like Bruger Burger, that's like it 579 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: really makes me. I mean, I get that people look 580 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: different everywhere. The World Cup is going on right now, 581 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 1: is we're recording, and you see all of these different 582 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: countries and you see the fans, and they could be 583 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: from anywhere USA. But the point is this guy did 584 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: not look like he was a native of the area. Well, 585 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: that's the benefit of claiming you're from some tribe that 586 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: that's a lost, hidden tribe that nobody's really ever encountered, 587 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: is that you could look totally different, and that would 588 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: explain it. He's ever seen this tribe before. So well, 589 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: now here's the deal. Here's how he explained is it's 590 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: kind of your And he explained not his his fine 591 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: European features, but also the fact that he spoke perfect 592 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: German and rather kind of lousy Portuguese. Uh yeah. And 593 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: you'll find this if you read the Chronicle of Akakar, 594 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: which I had not read the entirety of it. I 595 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: read some excerpts from it. And what happened is back 596 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties, an expedition of Germans went up 597 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: the Amazon and the Rio Negro in u boats. Eventually, 598 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, from there, got into smaller boats and made 599 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: their way up into it. Basically Tatunica's homeland and established 600 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: an alliance with this tribe and they worked, they all 601 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: worked together, and that they were they were best buds 602 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: and everything like that. That's where they shuttled Hitler at 603 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: the end of the war. Maybe possibly, there's no there's 604 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: no talk about that. But but apparently Tautunica was actually 605 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: the child of an Indian and the Germans. One of 606 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: the German soldiers that came there, and so that's why 607 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: he looks kind of European anyway. But anyway, so yeah, 608 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: but it turns out he's from Germany. Uh, he's from Germany, 609 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: and he's wider than all of us than three Um 610 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: so does this mean the legend of Akkacoras bs kind of? Maybe? Probably, Well, 611 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about all the 612 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: new ages from the seventies and eighties. Yeah, and asked 613 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: for gunther Hawk. Apparently he's still alive Tatuka. That is 614 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: a reporter named Alexander's small Zick from Der Spiegel It's 615 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: a German magazine tracked him down in fourteen. Uh and 616 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: Uh Tatuka a k gunther Hawk admitted that much of 617 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: what Bruger had written in Chronicle of akkakoras Bs. But 618 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: he blamed that more on Bruger than on him. Yeah 619 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: he did, and then and then and then right after 620 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: that he offered to take small small zick the reporter 621 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: to El Dorado. Yeah, and to which the reporter said, no, 622 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: thank you. Thing is that his behavior. I couldn't tell 623 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: if he was suffering from senility, or if he just 624 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: always liked to make tall tales, or if he was 625 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: if he had some form of a mental disorder like 626 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: schizophrenia or something where he's what's the guy from a 627 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: beautiful mind? Yeah? Yeah, you know, he like that guy 628 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: lived in an altered reality and he would interact with people. 629 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: And I understand this is a Hollywood version of things, 630 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: but I'm just trying to use that as a simple, 631 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: simple foil. But this guy could have been doing the 632 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: same things he's He's like flips back into that weird 633 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: little world that he was in, and then his family 634 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: is like no, no, no, no, remember we don't do 635 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: that anymore. Oh yeah, no, I can't take you there. Oh. 636 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: I think he was just a con man. You think 637 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: just pure died in the world con man totally, I mean, realistically, right. 638 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: The the reason that I say that is because, to 639 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: go back to what Joe said, the whole reason this 640 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: man is even in Brazil in the first place is 641 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: because he's kind of a jerk and child and wanted 642 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: to like flee that. So already I feel like he's 643 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: maybe not a great guy, not the most honestly, you know, 644 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: looking for a reason or a way to get people 645 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: to give them his money. And then a bunch of 646 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: people he took out into the forest somehow mysteriously died. 647 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: I disappeared, fairness, but he was probably just a con man. 648 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: I get the hinkiest feeling from the fact that the 649 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: lady disappeared, Like you, I don't know what it is 650 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: about a woman following a guy into the jungle that 651 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: always makes me just think like, oh, that had to 652 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: been just a terrible end, rather than just some stupid 653 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: European dude who follows him in and gets eating my 654 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: alligators or whatever. Like the fact that he took some 655 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: lady into the jungle and cheek quote unquote never returned. 656 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: It always just gives me the he jeeves. Yeah, you know, Frankly, 657 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: if I was one of those guys, I would want 658 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: would want to be one of the eyes. Have Paulow 659 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: had been to the jungle either, None of them. I 660 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: don't think any of them met a pleasant ending. Yeah, 661 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure about this guy. It seems to 662 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: me that there's uh, you know, I think I kind 663 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: of agree that he's just a con man. The guy 664 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: is just a bullshit artist, you know, a total huge 665 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just life. But I almost tend 666 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: to tend to think too that. I mean, because it's 667 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: reported that his his family said even back in Germany, 668 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: that he spun all sorts of weird tall tales and 669 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, all the time, And so it 670 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like he was in a in 671 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: a serious way, like not purely a con artist, but 672 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: he really wanted to believe this stuff. Yeah, it wasn't 673 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: just for pregame. He just really really wanted to believe it. 674 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: I want to believe. Yeah. Yeah, But what's uh, what's 675 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: what's the music about the whole thing is that, you know, 676 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: I mean, we all have met connors, bsp bs artists 677 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: all the time. Guys you meet in bars and stuff 678 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: like this, and lunatics and con artists live all over 679 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: the place. People spin tall tales and I hear this 680 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: one guy. This is what's amazing to me about this story. 681 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: Living in an obscure, tiny little town of the Jungles 682 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: of Brazil manages to have what pretty outsized impact on 683 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, I mean just by he ran into 684 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: this German journalist. By the way, they met in a 685 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,240 Speaker 1: bar in some ramshack, a little town in the jungle. 686 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that's that's just where that's where 687 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: I go to get my historic information from, is some 688 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: half drunk guy in a bar. But so much for 689 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: journalistic standards, right, But yeah, the impact that this this 690 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: crazy guy, this crazy faux Indian had is quite amazing 691 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: when you think about it. Yeah, an amazing story. This 692 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: this is really an interesting, weird little story. And so 693 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 1: sad to say that. Yeah, it does appear that docta 694 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: core is not true, as much as I wish that 695 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: it were. Yeah, I know, alright, people, so sorry for 696 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: the letdown there, but at least we solved the mystery, right, Yeah, 697 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: totally did that was all us? Yeah, happy internet lifting. 698 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, and uh so that's about it. We're 699 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: not going to give you your email address or nothing different. 700 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: Just good buye special thanks to our Stitcher Premium listeners, 701 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: and until next time for thinking sideways tolu. 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