WEBVTT - Luka-Lakers trade fallout, Jets-Rodgers breakup 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.960 Welcome in what driving Nick write episode three to two. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:09.959 As we are officially for this podcast purposes in basketball season, 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.559 there will be some football on the show. We will 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.520 get to later, Luca Lebron Game two not quite as 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.640 good as Game one in fact, really bad game and 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.280 where you saw some of the concerns for the Lakers 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.520 as far as big men. We will get to that. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.480 A huge game on the other side of that trade 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.599 with the MAVs on the strength of Kyrie Irving dropping 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.360 forty two, get a really important win over Golden State. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.400 We will get to that. Oh, and also a much 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.320 needed Bronni update. I'll explain why I'm doing that in 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.920 a bit, But first, demons, welcome in. Great to see you. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:52.919 As always, this is the time of year I miss 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.720 when the fifteen months that I lived on the West 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:03.240 Coast because the late night West Coast basketball that isn't 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.600 actually late night if you're on the West Coast is 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.720 such a nice thing that these games are over. I 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.520 know the Warriors game actually was late even by for 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.040 you guys last night, but uh, most games are over 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.280 before ten thirty and then you neither you know, go out, 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.399 you get do whatever you want, set out here you're 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.600 struggling til one one thirty in the morning. But such 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.520 is life, springtime or end of winter, springtime headed the 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.640 NBA playoffs, living on the East coast. Here is what 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.399 missed the cut for the show Dak and Dallas say. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.200 Dak says, Dallas is very close to the Eagles. They 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.600 are not the next week the Hawks and the highest 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.720 scoring game of the year one and not gonna be 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.840 for new podcast viewers, listeners, subscribers, and remember like rate 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.880 subscriber review all of that. We do a tennis corner 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.680 on this show. We sometimes do a golf corner on 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.680 this show. These are the sports that I love that 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.480 Demanse's not into it all. We do not do a 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.080 hockey corner because that is those are the sports that 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.480 neither of us know anything about. Oh, speaking of Demanse, 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.840 remind me and maybe one of our great producers throw 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.320 in at the bottom of the dock. We might have 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.320 to discuss that tweet that I sent yesterday and see 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:25.280 what the about the basketball tournament, the media basketball tournament 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.520 that cuffs the legend is trying to put on where 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.679 I have, you know, without asking potentially volunteered Demanse to 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.560 play in my place of that. So so we will 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.120 get into all of that. But before we even get 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.880 to the games from yesterday, a game from the day 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:49.280 before yesterday had a wildly important NBA moment that led 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.880 to some wildly ridiculous NBA discussion. So let's get right 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:54.359 to it. Pal. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.120 Yeah, so Katie just joined the thirty thirty thousand point 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.120 club the other day. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:01.480 Yeah, and Steven A. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.799 Smith put him in his in his top ten all time. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.840 It's perfect topic all time, yep, all time. We're bringing 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.359 some of that evergreen back. How do you feel about this? 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:10.440 Where would you? All? 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.919 Right? So first first, let me talk about what thirty 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.840 thousand points means. It means you are in a club 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:25.600 with Kareem, Karl Malone, Kobe, Michael Dirk, and Wilt. And 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.800 you might be like Nick, you didn't include Lebron and that, Well, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.840 Lebron's not in that club anymore. He graduated. He's in 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.920 the forty thousand point club. But how hard is it 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:39.840 to score thirty thousand points? Michael Jordan did it as 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.880 a wizard. Let me say that again. Think about all 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.360 of the points Michael Jordans scored as a Chicago Bull. 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.880 It wasn't thirty thousand. So that's what Kevin Durant has done, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.440 and he's done it. He's the fourth youngest to ever 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.760 do it, despite losing two full seasons of his career 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.800 due to injury, the broken foot year and the torn 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:09.840 Achilles year. Truly one of the greatest pure scorers in 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:16.440 basketball history. The greatest, not the first great shooting seven 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.760 footer that was Dirk, but the best shooting big man 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:26.520 of all time. And it's not even really debatable. Like 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.159 when I was growing up, a seven footer who could 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:35.200 shoot meant he could hit twelve to fourteen footers. Ewing 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.880 was pretty good at it, David Robinson was okay at it. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.240 A Cheme was the best at it as far as 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.200 the great big men, but those were all true sinners. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:50.600 Then Dirk came around. Kevin Garnett then was really great 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.919 at the mid range for a guy who wouldn't let 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.080 you call him seven feet tall but was seven feet tall. 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:01.279 Dirk then changed the game. And look back on Dirk's career, 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.760 what will surprise you is he didn't shoot as many 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:10.520 threes as you remember. Dirk for his career averaged three 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:16.159 and a half three point attempts per game, not make attempts. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.839 Dirk in his prime, you know, from basically year three 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.719 until call it the year after the championship, averaged three 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.040 point two three point attempts per game. So he was 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.960 not a volume three point shooter, but he was the 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:36.880 first seven footer that would reliably shoot some and was 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:41.320 excellent at it. Then Durant came around and instantly changed everything, 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.240 where this guy is a true seven footer, and he 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.400 was at various points in his career either the single 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:54.280 best or the second best or clearly top three shooter 0:05:54.400 --> 0:06:01.360 in basketball. And so he deserves massive credit. And is 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.479 Brew called him a pioneer, and I think that's fair. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:09.080 Usually we use pioneer in kind of terms of more gravity, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.240 but this, as far as shooting BigMan, he is that. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.920 Now all of that can be true, and it can 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:24.680 simultaneously be true. To Monse that calling him a top 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:30.920 ten all time guy is not an allowable opinion, and 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.400 by it's not allowable. And here's why I say it's 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:42.160 not allowable. I don't actually think anyone who calls Kevin 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:47.440 Durant a top ten player, if they put pencil to 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:51.320 paper and made their list, would have him in the 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:56.720 top ten, and again I like, so that is what 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.520 we are going to do, and you can do it 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.520 with me, Okay, And I understand you don't have your 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.920 twenty six. You don't have the full historical knowledge of me. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.600 Of a lot of you give me, I can see 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:10.920 if those are like. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:16.080 Yes, exactly right. So I'm gonna start with the ones 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.880 that I think there will be no argument whatsoever. Okay, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:27.520 it must be in the top ten. Lebron James agreed. Agree, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.920 Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Okay, those not only in 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.080 my opinion, have to be in your top ten, they 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.080 have to be in your top three. But that is 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:43.960 an opinion. Okay, But there's three locks, dead locks. All right, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:48.680 let's before we even get to the guys whose games 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.160 were in black and white. Let's name some more magic. Johnson. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.480 We agree, he's in the top ten, of course, yep. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:03.760 Tim Duncan five ring, six finals appearances, two league MVPs, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.400 arguably the greatest defensive player of the last thirty years, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.239 Tim Duncan. So now we're at five, we have five 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.720 spots remaining in the top ten. I have not yet 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:22.600 mentioned Kobe Bryant, does anybody think Kevin Durant's better than 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.960 Kobe Bryant. I don't think Kevin Durant thinks Kevin Durant 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.280 it's better than Kobe Bryant. Like now, Durant might think 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.920 he's the second best ever and that Kobe's the only 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.280 one ahead of him, but I don't like So, so 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:42.160 now we're at six. We got four spots left. Larry Bird. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.360 Now there when this clip goes out, there are going 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.560 to be a bunch of children. And I say that 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:55.720 intentionally who are like man Katie would wash Larry Bird 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.400 feel like, well, what could Larry Bird do that Kevin 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:04.600 Durant can do? And Demonse might be one of those children. However, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:11.200 what what when we are doing top ten lists, it 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:18.439 cannot be such a bias to the current times that 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:23.360 accomplishments are totally irrelevant. So when you go to Larry 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.000 Bird and then I tell you the following things, Demonse 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:33.440 from his rookie year, starting with his rookie year, Demonse 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.160 through the end of year nine, so we're not skipping 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.760 his rookie year the day he walks into the league 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:48.120 until the end of year nine. He finished first, second, third, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.480 or fourth in MVP voting, how many of those nine years? 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:59.400 Throw me a number eight, No. Nine every single year 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:05.200 in including a stretch where he went a six year 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:11.480 stretch Larry Bird where he went second, second, second, first, first, first, 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:18.000 a six year stretch where in MVP voting he was second, second, second, first, first, first. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.560 He's a three time champion, two time finals, MVP, made 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:28.960 five finals, and he has nine time all, nine time 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:35.320 First Team All NBA in the first ten years of 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:35.800 his career. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:41.679 So the are to say it's unfortunate. What'd you say, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.400 it's just unfortunate? You would say Larry Bird and Katie 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:46.520 are similar archetypes. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:52.559 Right, Well, here's the thing. Yes, in both great shooters. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.040 But where you give the nod to Bird is Bird 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.959 is actually one of the best passers in league history. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:10:59.880 Katie a better. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.280 Similar ball handler, Like. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.320 Katie's a better ball handler. Bird was a better rebounder. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.240 Katie's a better defender, but Bird just did more. But again, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.200 so here's the and so you might be like, well, Nick, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.480 so maybe it is arguable because you're arguing about Bird 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.400 and you're only at seven. And here's why I can 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.960 definitively say you can't have him in the top ten, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:32.120 because are we simply going to say that none of 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.640 the old heads get in, none of them. So Bill 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.720 Russell and his eleven rings are out and his five 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:45.720 league MVPs or we're just throwing him out, Wilt Chamberlain, 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.920 Jerry West, and Oscar Robertson. We want to throw all 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.839 four of those guys out because if those guys are in, 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.800 then Bird might not be in. But you know what, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:03.120 let's just pretend we're throwing those four guys out. They 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:08.120 don't count. We still only have three spots left, and 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:14.760 we have not mentioned Shaquille O'Neal. Shaquille O'Neal was better 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:20.840 than Kevin Durant. We have not mentioned Steph Curry. Steph 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.560 Curry has had a better career by any available metric 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:31.800 than Kevin Durant. We now have one spot in our 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:38.200 top ten remaining. So again lebron Kareem, Michael Magic, Duncan, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.360 Kobe Byrd, Shaq, Steph there's nine. We have simply said, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.560 totally unfairly and ridiculously that for this exercise, anyone that 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.679 played prior to nineteen seventy isn't a top ten player. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.719 That Wilt Chamberlain is not a top ten player, that 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.840 Bill Russell is not a top ten player, that Jerry Wesnscar. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.760 But let's just do it. Let's just say, you know what, 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:08.839 They're out. We now have one spot remaining, and I'm 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.920 gonna give you three names who are better than Kevin Durant. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.040 The first one is a kim Olajuan, the greatest defensive 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.640 player arguably in league history, certainly other than Bill Russell. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:32.640 And then two guys playing right now, Nikola Jokic and Yannis. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.560 So are is anyone or are people really going to 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.520 say Katie has been better than Joker? I don't think 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.000 you can incredibly argue that. Are people like you can 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:52.280 argue Janis? Yannis is very very borderline. And then you 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.480 get to the group. Durant is in Doctor J. Who 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.240 again I I will get just to show on being 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:05.800 fair here, I will give Durant the nod over Doctor J, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:11.960 even though this was Doctor J's career. He's in the ABA. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:17.760 In the ABA, he wins the league MVP three times, 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.920 he wins the championship two times, he wins the playoff 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:28.520 MVP two times. He then goes to the NBA and 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:35.880 immediately makes finals after finals after finals before finally playing 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.080 on arguably the greatest team of all time and winning 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.600 a championship. Give him the nod over him, Give kd 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.720 the nod over Moses Malone, and give Kade the nod 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:51.200 over Isaiah Thomas. You still have. And this is why 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.800 if you're gonna like, I care more about top ten 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.480 lists than basically anyone in the world, but you can't 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:06.120 flippantly throw it around lebron Kareem, Michael Magic, Duncan, Kobe Bird, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.760 Shaq Steph. We are at nine right then, and there 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:16.440 there is one spot available for all of the following people, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:23.680 Bill Russell, Wilt, Chamberlain, Jerry West, Akima, LaJuan Nikola, Jokic, 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:30.160 Jannis Antinakumpo. So in order to say Kevin Durant in 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.160 the top ten, you have to say he is better 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.840 than Joker, He is better than Yannis, he is better 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.480 than a Keem, he is better than Russell, Wilt, West, Oscar. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.520 You don't actually think that, And the U I'm talking 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.160 to is literally everyone. You might think he's better than 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.880 a couple of those guys, there is no chance you 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.800 think he's better than all of them. And so. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.200 I maybe was talking about like eighteenth or something. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.560 If I were to truly order it, this will be fun. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.600 Let's do it. This is my true to heart order 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:18.920 Lebron won, Kareem two, Michael three, the hardest one is 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:27.680 this four to five Russell four, Magic five, Wilt six, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:44.360 Duncan seven, Kobe eight, Bird nine, God dog it. And 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.400 then this is so this is where my top ten 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.480 debate is. And yeah, and I did that top fifty list, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.720 but the problem my top fifty list was of the 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.120 last fifty years, so i'dn't have to worry about Russell, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:16:59.280 Wilt West. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:16:59.680 Those guys. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:07.680 So now for the ten spot dreamshak Staff West are 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:18.320 the contenders. I will tentatively go as follows. Number ten, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:26.080 Achem Olajuan, number eleven, Shaquille O'Neal, number twelve, Steph Curry 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:40.040 number thirteen, Jerry West, number fourteen, Oscar Robertson, number fifteen, Nikolijokic, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:56.679 number sixteen, Oscar Robertson number seventeen, Yannis, number eighteen, doctor 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:02.680 j and number nineteen Kevin Duran, with number twenty being Moses, 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.399 twenty one being Isaiah. And then that the rest of 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.080 your top twenty five, in some order or another, are Dirk, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.040 Carl Malone, Charles Berkley, and Dwayne Wade, and we could 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:19.159 argue about it, but I think that is a fair 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:25.159 ranking that anybody could push back on movement of a 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:29.560 guy three spots in one direction or another. You can't 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.680 credibly say the dudes a top ten player. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.800 As a player, as a scorer. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.280 He's well, his skill set. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.320 Yeah, like his ability to just go and get a 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:43.400 bucket like you know. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.160 Well and not just get a bucket. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:46.720 He's thirty. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.080 As a basketball player is top ten. But that's a 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.600 different conversation. You know, what does that make? You know? 0:18:54.640 --> 0:19:04.719 What it? It has to be what you accomplished in 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:10.760 your career has to be the huge weight of the argument. 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.280 With skill set and stuff being important and tiebreakers and 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.600 all of that. What to do with the resume is 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:24.280 the resume And the fact that Durant has gone his 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:34.040 entire thirties, his whole thirties and did not play a 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:41.359 single meaningful playoff game is remarkable to me and so like, 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.360 and that obviously has to play a role in this. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.280 And so I just think that I think that throwing around, 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:57.400 I think that throwing around the top ten all time is. 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.840 Disrespectful Okay, yeah, I mean. 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:08.280 It's just and again, I just I think that it 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:13.119 is something that people and I'm not even really trying 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:19.439 to take shots. I just think aren't doing the work. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.240 I just think, like I shouldn't say doing the work, 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.840 because it's not even our laziness. I just think people 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.000 aren't putting pen to paper and being like, Okay, who 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.920 is my top ten? And I think if they did, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.840 they would be like, oh, damn, turns out he's not. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.439 And so that like, if somebody wants to sit up 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:44.080 here and say Kevin Durant was better than dream Shock 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:50.600 and Steph and all the old guys that is, that 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.359 would be crazy to me, At least to me, that 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:54.600 would be crazy. Go ahead, poll. 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.080 So of the old guards, the old guards remaining, who 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.600 could you see at it another batch to their legacy? 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.240 I mean, and these are the ages start next season. 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.399 Lebron's at forty, you got Katie at thirty six, Steph 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.119 at thirty seven, Chris Paul is gonna be forty, you 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.159 got hard and at thirty six, and Russ's gonna be 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:15.720 turning thirty six next season as well. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.840 The answers and none of them, like I Lebron's got 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:27.600 the best chance because he's with Luca. But Durant, you know, 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:32.359 Durant's we'll talk about what's next for Durant briefly, like 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:38.640 maybe this offseason. They wouldn't do it, but man, it'd 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:42.160 be so much fun. What if OKC just gets popped 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.879 early in the playoffs and they're like bring him home? 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.600 Like that would be sick. That would be and then 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.160 and I would I would love that. My only thing 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.439 is they're probably not going to get popped early in 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.199 the playoffs. They're probably gonna make the finals. Yeah, and 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:01.680 you know what I mean. And then they're not gonna 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.400 all of a sudden bring in Durant. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:05.440 But but do you think. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:09.840 Durant would like, oh, like like a pay cut, like 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:11.960 t take a little bit less money to. 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:17.000 There's no pay cuts allowed in the NBA. Okay, it's weird. 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.240 It's like, if you're a free agent, you can sign 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:24.080 for anything you want whatever at contract, so you have 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:24.600 to trade. 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.080 They just got to buy it out copy Okay. 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.080 Well yeah, and I mean, and so here's the thing. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:34.840 They it's Phoenix isn't gonna buy him out because then 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.159 they get no draft picks for him. You know what 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.000 I mean, So like he could be a free agent 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.639 fifteen months from now, but a year from now, someone 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:44.560 have to take on the salary. All right, let's love 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:45.400 Lakers here first. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.159 Second. Uh So, Luca and the Lakers struggled against the Jazz. 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:50.879 They obviously beat them the other day and they got 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.760 popped in the mouth last night. Luca has sixteen four 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.040 and four even six or thirteen one of five from 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.679 a free throw and five turnovers in twenty three minutes. 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.560 So he came out and said we can go very far. 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.600 Obviously today I felt a little bit rusty, you know, 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.560 two games back from my injury, turnovers, misfree throws, so 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.840 I gotta do way better. How are you feeling about 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:14.000 your guys over there and yellow? 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.920 So listen, that was a bad loss. There's no way 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:22.639 around it. You have no business. Why say it again? 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:24.200 You could you could see why. 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.119 I mean, like that, tell me Jackson a Jackson Hay 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.240 is going down pretty early. The Jazz are obviously just 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:34.160 way too big for him, like it, and they need it. 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.879 Was all of that. It was also you know all 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:43.000 All Star game, you know All Star Game being around 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:50.240 the corner. Yes that and listen, Luca is getting back 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:54.400 into I know this sounds awful. He's actually he right 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.720 now actually is out of shape because he's he's coming 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.080 off six weeks out with a lower body injury, and 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.720 that's what's gonna happen like the and so he's getting 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.840 his rhythm. Look, they're trying to figure out how to 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.720 play with each other. Alex Lynn, fresh off the buy 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.840 out market, is you know with the team Jackson As 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.560 gets popped in the face, he obviously is, you know, 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.360 then he's out and the Jazz just clock you. It's 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:25.240 a bad loss in this regard. The Jazz are horrendous 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:30.720 and every single game here matters. Like they had they 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.560 won last night, they would wake up this morning and 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.320 they're still the four seed with the same number of 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:41.239 losses as Denver. Because they lost last night, they're the 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:45.080 five seed and you know, they're two and a half 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:49.040 behind Denver. So like they it does matter. And I'm 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:52.280 not but they had one what did they won nine 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.680 in a row, so you'd won nine in a row, 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:59.160 you're fitting lukea in I am. Last night's game does 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.719 not make me worry about the Luca Lebron fit. I 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:06.040 don't think we've seen anything close to what that fit 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:11.440 is going to be because we haven't seen Luca be 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.160 Luca yet. Luca hasn't played twenty five minutes in a game. 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:20.040 Luca hasn't gotten rolling yet like that, so that'll take time. 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.960 The question is are they just going When the trade 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.040 was made, we all said they needed at a big. 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:29.800 They then thought they added the big and Mark Williams 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:34.680 they didn't. By the way, did you see that drama 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:40.560 that mark. Dave mcminnimon said to Rich Eison yesterday that 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.480 the Hornets are still trying to argue that trade should 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.360 go through, and rich Eysen asked him, like, what does 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.959 that mean, like you bring in a third party doctor? 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.040 And Dave mcminnimon said that the way he understands it 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:59.440 is the NBA would hold quote something of a mock 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:07.760 try where both teams would present their cases, and okay, 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.440 I've never heard of that. If that's the case, they 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.760 got to air that All Star weekend, we got to 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:19.720 see the Lakers Hornets mock trial where they're they're like, hey, 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:24.120 here's what's problem with Mark Williams injuries. So the point is, 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:28.080 and by the way, the Lakers must have massive concerns 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.000 with that dude's injuries because they clearly need a center. 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.399 And yeah, and I mean and thereof they're trying to 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.879 get the Jet, I mean, not the Jazz, but the 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.360 Magic is trying to get rid of him. I think 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.879 doesn't make it any better. Like there there is something, 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:44.879 but are the Hornets. But if he if he goes 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.560 back there and they use him, Like if they're going 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.439 to use him, why can't the Lakers just take him? 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:50.160 You need a big man? 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.520 Well, so he was. He went from not being on 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.080 the injury report to now this pass game for the 0:26:56.080 --> 0:27:00.200 Hornets listed out with an injury. And I don't think 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.000 I could be wrong. I don't think the Lakers are 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:07.560 arguing he's too injured to play this very moment. 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.399 Something's eventually gonna happen, is what they're saying. 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.040 Not only something's eventually gonna happen, but he is playing 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.600 through an injury that either needs surgery or needs to 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:22.439 be a dressed like so something like that. So I 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:26.800 am not Last night was a bad loss, last game 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.600 four All Star. You're on a hot streak. Luke's getting 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.760 his legs under him. I won't freak out about it, 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:36.000 but it is a loss that the end of the year, 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.919 you might be like, damn, I wish we'd have taken business, 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.560 taken care of business against the twelve win Jazz. You know, 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:47.080 if we're fighting for seeding, I do demond'say, there is 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:48.760 a follow up here that I want to get to. 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:53.520 This will yeh, this will make people mad, probably so Brownie. 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.040 He played, He played in garbage time. He got a 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:57.680 couple of nice budgets. At the end of the game. 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.040