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Speaker 3: This is Nick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
Speaker 3: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 3: Savannah Humoller, Efferson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 4: And it is high noon on Well, it's a little
Speaker 4: past high noon on a Thursday, and it's time for
Speaker 4: another edition of Mick Shots.
Speaker 5: High right.
Speaker 4: We are trying to figure out how to get by
Speaker 4: with out Savannah, who is vacationing had a wedding that
Speaker 4: she's at in the Dominican Republic. And so Mickey trying
Speaker 4: to figure out the text line here. And I think
Speaker 4: Mickey might have figured it out.
Speaker 5: I think no first figured it out.
Speaker 4: Producer Supreme, Oh, well, he had it figured out. He
Speaker 4: was giving a tutorial to Mickey prior to starting this podcast.
Speaker 4: And Mickey is about to give you that Cowboys podcast
Speaker 4: text line now.
Speaker 6: Eight one seven two nine zero three two nine eight.
Speaker 4: All right, do you want to open the phone lines?
Speaker 5: Maybe the second segment?
Speaker 4: Do you want to give the phone I will.
Speaker 6: Number eight eight eight eight five five to two nine such.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I've We've gotten permission from Mickey himself that
Speaker 4: we can actually take a phone call. And it feels
Speaker 4: like game week now.
Speaker 6: It feels like football weather're out.
Speaker 4: There, because if you go outside, you'll find football players
Speaker 4: on the trintball field too.
Speaker 6: Right, and they're practicing. And I did see Cavante Turpin
Speaker 6: out there in pads.
Speaker 4: I got a good report from the head coach at
Speaker 4: Cavante this morning. As a matter of fact, is it as.
Speaker 5: Good as mine?
Speaker 4: Well, what does your say?
Speaker 5: He's ready to go?
Speaker 4: That's what basically what the head coach is good to go.
Speaker 4: He's good to go. And in fact, when I brought
Speaker 4: up the name, let me make sure I got it here,
Speaker 4: Amir Smith Marsette, you know who that is? No ever since?
Speaker 4: Do you know who Smith Marsett is?
Speaker 2: Yes, great name.
Speaker 4: He was a Kansas City Chief until he became a
Speaker 4: Carolina Panther. Oh on August twenty ninth, traded from the
Speaker 4: Chiefs to the Panthers.
Speaker 5: I see his name here. What did he do wide receiver?
Speaker 4: What did he do? A week ago? Today? He returned
Speaker 4: to punt seventy nine yards for a touchdown against the
Speaker 4: Chicago Bears.
Speaker 7: Ah, that was almost the only score in the game.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 6: We touched down when we tape, which is a good
Speaker 6: lead into my next note.
Speaker 4: So get this. When we taped to the Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: show this morning, I mentioned a Meirs Smith Marsett and
Speaker 4: you got to watch out for him on that other side.
Speaker 4: And that's when McCarthy said, so we'll have two good, two.
Speaker 5: Return guys good in the game.
Speaker 4: That's what tipped me off that things are okay with
Speaker 4: Cavante Turpin. Look Out, I'm calling it right now. Avante
Speaker 4: to the house, to the house turping time in Charlotte
Speaker 4: on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Physically.
Speaker 6: I heard he was good to go last week, but
Speaker 6: he hadn't practiced, so they decided, now, let's let's wait
Speaker 6: till next week.
Speaker 2: What was his.
Speaker 4: USFL team in New Jersey Generals.
Speaker 2: He was with the Generals.
Speaker 7: Okay, why do you guess wondering if I was wondering
Speaker 7: if it was in Carolina because I wanted, you know,
Speaker 7: he'd be going back home.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure.
Speaker 4: We don't have that storyline now. That could be on
Speaker 4: one of the other teams that he played for the
Speaker 4: Indoor Football League. I think he was in Atlanta playing
Speaker 4: on one of these.
Speaker 5: He was in Germany, wasn't he?
Speaker 4: It was in Germany. He was in Poland, I believe,
Speaker 4: playing and he maybe it was in that electronic football
Speaker 4: league that he would know.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, the fan thing, the.
Speaker 4: Fan controlled football. I think that may have been in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: close to Chark.
Speaker 6: So having brought up a mirror, is that how.
Speaker 2: You say it?
Speaker 4: A mere smith Mars set out of Iowa for four
Speaker 4: to three speed.
Speaker 6: And he scored a touchdown and they only scored thirteen points.
Speaker 6: So they didn't score a touchdown last week.
Speaker 5: And that is why.
Speaker 6: That Frank Wright is returned to story.
Speaker 2: Leave me something.
Speaker 6: So he was calling plays the first six games and
Speaker 6: then he handed off to Thomas Brown and they won,
Speaker 6: and they won fifteen to thirteen. Over then only scored
Speaker 6: thirteen and thirteen the next two games. And now Reich says.
Speaker 4: Well, there was an issue, though there was also an iss.
Speaker 4: They only scored thirteen and thirteen, and in one of
Speaker 4: those games, the thirteen. No, it would have been a
Speaker 4: thirteen to thirteen game if not for the two pick
Speaker 4: sixes that made it twenty seven to thirteen.
Speaker 6: Well, but with Reich calling plays the first six games,
Speaker 6: they were averaging a robust sixteen point three points a game.
Speaker 4: Well, in one of those games was started by one
Speaker 4: Andy Dalton at Seattle when they scored twenty seven points.
Speaker 4: It was with Andy Dalton at quarterback. And Dalton was
Speaker 4: thirty four out of fifty eight for three hundred and
Speaker 4: sixty one yards and two touchdowns in that game.
Speaker 5: Okay, so are you blaming this on Bryce Young?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, no picks on that game.
Speaker 4: Not for Nope, not for Andy Dalton. Nope.
Speaker 6: So the difference between the two play callers was sixteen
Speaker 6: point three a game for Reich and eleven point three
Speaker 6: for Brown and the quarterback meaning offensive points and a
Speaker 6: different quarterback, right.
Speaker 4: And well, Bright, well just that one game Dalton point yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So I mean, if you wanted to to get a
Speaker 4: level playing field, you would need to figure out the
Speaker 4: Bryce Young quarterback games for in the Frank Reich era.
Speaker 6: And the worst part was when they beat the Bears
Speaker 6: fifteen thirteen, and it was they beat the Texans fifteen textings,
Speaker 6: I said Bears.
Speaker 5: They lost to the.
Speaker 4: Bears, right, sixteen thirty.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Brown was calling plays during that game and he called
Speaker 6: the plays on the winning drive for the field goal
Speaker 6: to win, and they gave Brown a game ball afterwards.
Speaker 5: Well, and now they gave them game Yeah, he won
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 6: Now they took the play calls away from now.
Speaker 4: I was listening to the great Bill Pollion last night
Speaker 4: on Serious NFL Radio.
Speaker 5: He seemed to be doing this quite often.
Speaker 4: But one of the reasons I was listening to Bill
Speaker 4: pollyon He's based in Charlotte and so he has close
Speaker 4: tabs on this Carolina team. And what he was saying
Speaker 4: is anyone who knows anything about the NFL knows that
Speaker 4: who's calling the plays really doesn't matter. It's who's putting
Speaker 4: the game plan, to plan the place or no, no
Speaker 4: what he's talking about as far as from the coaching standpoint,
Speaker 4: it's what they do leading up to game day. And
Speaker 4: he was saying, it's not that big a deal who's
Speaker 4: actually calling the plays because they're just calling it off
Speaker 4: a script and the game plan has already been put together.
Speaker 6: And Reich actually pointed that out that Brown continue putting,
Speaker 6: helping with the game plan and installing during the week
Speaker 6: and he's just going to call play. But it never
Speaker 6: explained why he decided to other than not scoring.
Speaker 4: And what I got out of it is he won.
Speaker 4: He just feels like the second half of the season
Speaker 4: he needs to be more hands on with the development
Speaker 4: of Bryce Young and as far as you know, game
Speaker 4: to game, play to play, and he feels like, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that's why why he's he's hired there to be
Speaker 4: the head coach is to develop this young quarterback. And
Speaker 4: he feels like he can do that better by being
Speaker 4: in his ear throughout the game.
Speaker 5: Well, at least he says.
Speaker 4: It makes a lot of sense. At least he said,
Speaker 4: and he said great things about Thomas Brown the offensive
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this take it takes nothing away from his
Speaker 4: star which is rising in the NFL.
Speaker 6: So he did point out that the reason I'm in
Speaker 6: the position I am is because I was a play caller. Yeah,
Speaker 6: which is why do head coaches do that? Well, it's like,
Speaker 6: the reason you become a head coach is probably because
Speaker 6: you were a really good offensive quarter cut and then
Speaker 6: you become the head coach and you hand the play
Speaker 6: calling off to somebody else.
Speaker 2: We have so many other things to do, spags. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know all you do is right.
Speaker 5: No TV, Okay, you rest your case.
Speaker 4: But I hear him on the podcast.
Speaker 2: You hear him on the Reids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's why we took We took the play
Speaker 4: calling away from Mickey, Right, we took the reeds away
Speaker 4: from Mickey. That's why we hired Savannah's right, But.
Speaker 5: He's still the head coach.
Speaker 2: But when it goes downhill, it comes to me first,
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: We know never to give the play calls back to Mickey.
Speaker 5: Just remember I'm the head coach.
Speaker 7: I met I met Bill what's his name, Bill Pulliam?
Speaker 7: I met him, Yeah, I think he came. I think
Speaker 7: he came to the Boys game. He came and introduced
Speaker 7: himself to me, and that was my first time meeting.
Speaker 2: He's cool guy.
Speaker 4: He was a GM of the Bills in the Sweet Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was in one of the sweets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's in the Sweets, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's he the GM of the Bills throughout
Speaker 4: their Super Bowl runs and then and then the Cults. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and drafted Peyton Manning.
Speaker 5: I got to meet him twice.
Speaker 6: I was the AFC pool reporter at the Super Bowl
Speaker 6: for two of their losses, one in Washington and one
Speaker 6: and again no Minnesota.
Speaker 5: Was it Minnesota.
Speaker 2: He wasn't he wasn't stand office at all. No, he
Speaker 2: was very engaging.
Speaker 7: I think he came up to me and then I
Speaker 7: was with some of the guys and he came up
Speaker 7: and introduced.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I really enjoy listening to him. He usually
Speaker 4: is on in the evenings on serious NFL radio and
Speaker 4: he's Yeah, he's very educated. I mean he used much
Speaker 4: bigger words than I used. Well, that's why I like
Speaker 4: listed to him to pick up a word or two.
Speaker 6: Bro. My introduction to him was at the Super Bowl
Speaker 6: and after the ninety two season when Buffalo was practicing
Speaker 6: at USC and he was more worried about the security
Speaker 6: around the practice field than he was about stopping EMMITTT.
Speaker 4: Smith.
Speaker 7: What what he was with Buffalo win, he would have
Speaker 7: been with Buffalo as the g was.
Speaker 5: He was the general manager.
Speaker 4: He was the pro personnel director for the Bills starting
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty five, the general manager eighty six through
Speaker 4: ninety two, and then with the Panthers starting in ninety
Speaker 4: five through ninety seven. And that's when Dom Capers was
Speaker 4: the head coach of the Panthers in Indianapolis in ninety
Speaker 4: eight through nine, and he was through twenty eleven, actually
Speaker 4: became team president too, so he.
Speaker 2: Was I was.
Speaker 7: He was came up to me because I guess he
Speaker 7: knew I played for Giants at that time.
Speaker 2: And we beat that.
Speaker 5: That was the first loss.
Speaker 7: Yeah there, yea, so this one, this one excellent.
Speaker 6: They were practicing at Southern Cal.
Speaker 2: And we didn't even talk about any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: We just had fun, just talking about everything.
Speaker 6: They were practicing at Southern Cal and the field butted up.
Speaker 6: The end of the field butted up to the student
Speaker 6: swimming pool and they had a high dive and they
Speaker 6: were worried about people on the high dive spying on
Speaker 6: their practice, so they closed down the swimming pool and
Speaker 6: then behind to the next So how would that work?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm watching this that I said the camera right, and
Speaker 6: then I'm at the top of the high dive. At
Speaker 6: at the end of the swimming pool was a dorm
Speaker 6: that had pat like a little patio thing outside each floor.
Speaker 6: At the end balcony balcony, Yeah, wrong word, And they
Speaker 6: were they were trying to shut that students off the balcony.
Speaker 2: Hey, you don't know who's who. You don't know who's
Speaker 2: but I knew.
Speaker 6: Who Emmett Smith was they needed to practice, Colly I was.
Speaker 5: I was just astounded about their worries.
Speaker 6: And I saw it the year before when they were
Speaker 6: at the University of Minnesota and at the end of
Speaker 6: the practice field indoors on the second floor was where
Speaker 6: all the coaches offices were, and they saw a light
Speaker 6: come in one of the offices and they just went crazy,
Speaker 6: like somebody was in that office looking at their practice.
Speaker 6: He should have been there in New Orleans when the
Speaker 6: was it New Orleans when they when they caught uh,
Speaker 6: the Patriots, I mean the Patriots were spying on a
Speaker 6: walk through or something.
Speaker 5: If I remember.
Speaker 2: Correctly, then this stuff is serious. Well see what happens
Speaker 2: when you pay them a bunch of You.
Speaker 6: Told me Tom would stop practice when they were playing
Speaker 6: Washington if there was somebody flying, we did.
Speaker 2: We did not stop practice. They bought out the room.
Speaker 5: Yeah I know that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so.
Speaker 4: And then the look out here yeah right.
Speaker 6: It was like when the Packers were the San Diego
Speaker 6: Super Bowl, the Packers and uh, they're out there practicing
Speaker 6: Homegrown was the head coach, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: one of the there was an Air Force base or
Speaker 6: Navy airfield close to it, and they came flying over
Speaker 6: with a helicopter. They stopped practice to wave the waving
Speaker 6: at the guys.
Speaker 5: They didn't care.
Speaker 4: It was all right. With the difference between then and now, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it is is that teams practice then, well that's true.
Speaker 2: You'll see our entire game plan.
Speaker 7: You would see the entire game plan based on what
Speaker 7: we practiced.
Speaker 6: Jimmy was at U c l A busting helmets, right,
Speaker 6: they practiced. They they tech.
Speaker 4: What was your what was your work day like before
Speaker 4: that Valley Ranch? What was the facility over there on
Speaker 4: Forest Lane? What did you have as far as classroom
Speaker 4: space and like what did you do for meetings and stuff?
Speaker 6: Let me tell you, No, they had a very small room.
Speaker 6: And remember those desks used to sit in in about
Speaker 6: second or third where you came in.
Speaker 4: From the size, those weren't in there, No way were they.
Speaker 4: How did they fit in that?
Speaker 2: They didn't? I fit. I had I had no problem.
Speaker 2: But you know, Harvey Martin too tall.
Speaker 6: School and I don't know, and I can't imagine you
Speaker 6: had like fifty three guys in there to say that
Speaker 6: the room wasn't that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes we have more come on when we came
Speaker 7: back from training camp, we didn't have fifty three. We
Speaker 7: still had we still had themund seventy something players.
Speaker 4: So how many hours a day would you be at
Speaker 4: the practice facility?
Speaker 2: We still have the same hours.
Speaker 7: Like still you've come in the morning, coming at nine
Speaker 7: in the morning, nine in the morning. Then we go
Speaker 7: to lunch and then after that we go from uh,
Speaker 7: you know, lunch to three something like that.
Speaker 6: By the way, when he said go to lunch, they
Speaker 6: had to go to lunch, there.
Speaker 5: Was no lunch we had we had for now. Remember, Yeah,
Speaker 5: we go get run.
Speaker 7: Then we had tom Thumb across the street, so we
Speaker 7: get chicken wings or whatever. They had food over there,
Speaker 7: potato salad network.
Speaker 6: Some pizza, pizza place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what we had. Yeah, it was it was
Speaker 7: burning up out there. I didn't worry about lunch as
Speaker 7: much as you worried about weight room. You know, wait practice.
Speaker 5: Afterwards, which was outdoors.
Speaker 2: Outdoors, well you knew that, I mean.
Speaker 6: Covered covered though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this much covering in this move.
Speaker 7: We had to wait over there, and I don't know,
Speaker 7: it was just normal for us at that time. You know,
Speaker 7: we didn't realize that we were living like like.
Speaker 4: So do you think they put in more hours at
Speaker 4: work then than what they do here now, I would
Speaker 4: say less. I would say that's what I was getting.
Speaker 2: Nobody want to spend time over there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Here. It's comfortable.
Speaker 6: You go, well, I bet they didn't have an individual
Speaker 6: room for each position.
Speaker 4: Right, and so what do you do as far as
Speaker 4: position meetings? You know?
Speaker 2: Now we had rooms for a position, yes we did. Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah we bought we have rooms for you broke off.
Speaker 7: We put everyone up in there. That's really amazing because
Speaker 7: it's just a fieldhouse. I want to say fieldhouse like
Speaker 7: an inventory space or something.
Speaker 4: I don't remember being very large at all.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that large. But we made it work. We
Speaker 2: made it work.
Speaker 5: They want super Bowls in that.
Speaker 4: Right, I don't need to go back to that.
Speaker 2: You need to worry about where to park.
Speaker 5: Yes, that was the thing.
Speaker 7: I mean we were put in there, like I don't
Speaker 7: know how we all fit in. Come once again, Vernal
Speaker 7: was the dude, give them your keys, tell them the
Speaker 7: pocket for you a yeah, okay, call it what you Ballet.
Speaker 5: Was not forgot about.
Speaker 2: From now, Burnt will go get your car washed. He
Speaker 2: will not go get it. He washed it him so much.
Speaker 4: Did you tip?
Speaker 7: I didn't have him watched my stuff. Okay, no, because
Speaker 7: at the time I was driving a Mustang. My car
Speaker 7: was so wagged in you and the guys took my
Speaker 7: keys from me. They hated my car so much. I
Speaker 7: mean there was a car drove back and forth to Grambling.
Speaker 7: So eventually, you know, we do the ticket thing where
Speaker 7: you you know, you you know, get to get a
Speaker 7: dealership to season.
Speaker 4: There was so much better back then as a reporter.
Speaker 4: You can just talk to a guy on his way
Speaker 4: to his car, and I mean that was that way
Speaker 4: at Valley. The first time Mavericks practices, they practiced over
Speaker 4: here at the warehouse that Don Carter owned, and they
Speaker 4: had a gym in there, and so they it was
Speaker 4: like just a warehouse parking lot. It was off six
Speaker 4: thirty five and at midway around there was it was
Speaker 4: well Welch Road well and basically you could just hang
Speaker 4: out by real Ando Blackman's car and get an interview
Speaker 4: with him as he was waiting to get his car washed.
Speaker 4: I mean there would be a guy that would be
Speaker 4: car washing cars there. Vernell was there.
Speaker 2: It's a different season.
Speaker 5: The first time.
Speaker 6: The first time I had to go out to the
Speaker 6: facility forrests and abrams. They gave me the address and
Speaker 6: they said, but you're going to drive right by it.
Speaker 5: I go, what do you mean, Well, it doesn't look
Speaker 5: like a practice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so they said, but when you go by this,
Speaker 6: this building with corrugated metal that looks like a transmission
Speaker 6: repair shop, you're gonna see.
Speaker 2: Someone really and it rubbed off on your hands if
Speaker 2: you touch it.
Speaker 6: They said, you'll see the parking lot where there's the
Speaker 6: fancy cars.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 5: So I'm driving down.
Speaker 2: A lot of fancy cars on the raggedy uh gravel, right. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I went right by it, and I saw the cars.
Speaker 5: That I had turned around and come back.
Speaker 2: That's home me. So I enjoyed it.
Speaker 7: A thousand Oaks was a totally different not thousand, but
Speaker 7: valley is a totally different thing.
Speaker 2: Right there. That was five minutes from my house.
Speaker 5: Now you had to drive.
Speaker 2: I got to drive, you know, but I had a
Speaker 2: better car.
Speaker 6: And my first impression of walking into the locker room
Speaker 6: was on the side they were wooden lockers and on
Speaker 6: the side of each was at ash trade ye screwed
Speaker 6: into the side Also.
Speaker 2: At Texas Stadium were ass trays.
Speaker 4: And they weren't clean ash trays.
Speaker 7: Don't you remember the stadium also had ass trays, right,
Speaker 7: you know who put those in? Fitz Jerild Meredith, Okay,
Speaker 7: fitz jail would take the smoke as he was being introduced.
Speaker 7: You remember that he would smoke all the way down
Speaker 7: the tunnel, and when they were introducing, he put his
Speaker 7: cigarette out.
Speaker 2: And run out there.
Speaker 4: That was the smoke he were in through the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, John fans jail Man.
Speaker 6: That first time I went to a baseball locker room
Speaker 6: was in Saint Louis. Joe peppotone. He was wearing a
Speaker 6: wig that he headed Hagen.
Speaker 2: On the side to pay to pay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but he was smoking in the You know,
Speaker 6: this is back when everybody's telling us you better not smoke.
Speaker 6: You know, you're an athlete, and there is Joe peppatone.
Speaker 7: Now these were old school guys, man, These are old
Speaker 7: school guys. You got you gotta think of what's the
Speaker 7: movie North Dallas forty. We weren't far removed from that,
Speaker 7: You're right, we were about ten years removed from that.
Speaker 4: That's like Barry Switcher. He'd be on the sideline in
Speaker 4: the Nebraska game.
Speaker 1: He'd be smoking a cigarette on the sideline, see on TV.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, Dick Allen in the in the dugout,
Speaker 6: he'd be sitting there cut this.
Speaker 2: See that's the old school when he smoked like that.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's what switch would do. He's trying to hide
Speaker 4: it like the TV cameras. Television.
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Speaker 6: The next the next week, it get's gonna just.
Speaker 4: It's gonna the whole house is going to get It's
Speaker 4: going to be raining in the house next time we
Speaker 4: get a leak. But at least, at least we won't
Speaker 4: have to go into the.
Speaker 5: Slab to have the tunnel under.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. And but the amazing thing about it,
Speaker 4: they are able to come out today to get it done.
Speaker 4: And we got family coming tomorrow, perfect time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, And I'm getting my fallen tree.
Speaker 4: The other thing that's great about it, I have to
Speaker 4: be here from nine am, and so my wife is
Speaker 4: the one. You're not dealing with it there ready to
Speaker 4: get a new hot water heater a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: and I was in Phoenix covering the World Series. As
Speaker 4: I got out of that one too, perfect, Yes.
Speaker 6: So before we have to take the next break in
Speaker 6: a minute, yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I can't see the guy's.
Speaker 6: Name is anyway. Good afternoon, Oh Arthur from spring textas Oh,
Speaker 6: this is a text, this is a text. I've come
Speaker 6: to realize that a mix of powdered and Dottle is
Speaker 6: good enough for our run game.
Speaker 5: I'm good with the mixture of those two guys.
Speaker 4: And you guys, I liked it against the Giants, I
Speaker 4: was going to.
Speaker 7: Say I liked it against a very inferior team. I
Speaker 7: would have loved to have seen it in San Francisco,
Speaker 7: at least give it a try. I didn't see much
Speaker 7: of it against the Chargers. Did you did he play
Speaker 7: much against the Charger?
Speaker 5: I don't believe so and so.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And once again, this is McCarthy taking his time,
Speaker 7: showing his cause in a very methodical man.
Speaker 4: You're asking doubt Ale against the Chargers. Rico against the Chargers,
Speaker 4: he had three carries for twelve yards, and Pollard had
Speaker 4: fifteen carries for thirty yards. And he had six receptions
Speaker 4: for eighty yards, including that sixty yard.
Speaker 7: And it's not the amount of it's not yours per carry,
Speaker 7: it's moving the chains. So that's what we wanted for
Speaker 7: for moving the chains. We wanted for the third and goal,
Speaker 7: fourth and goal, that's what we wanted.
Speaker 4: He was in. He was in the game for ten
Speaker 4: snaps on offense against the Chargers San Francisco.
Speaker 6: He had five carries for fifteen yards.
Speaker 2: Is he a good receiver?
Speaker 4: We don't know.
Speaker 6: He caught a screen pass for a touchdown?
Speaker 5: Okay, right, nice, nice, I forgot that's right game.
Speaker 6: Well let's see it's right here.
Speaker 5: Oh that's running I gues you.
Speaker 7: Know, I found out from watching Zeke throughout the years,
Speaker 7: you have to have a little little I guess.
Speaker 4: To it against a zone Arizona, Daddell had any touchdown.
Speaker 5: Reception, Yes, fifteen yards.
Speaker 2: I love that to show his diversity throughout the year.
Speaker 7: And once again, like I said, McCarthy's taking his time
Speaker 7: and revealing just what Donald can do, because we really,
Speaker 7: you take out this last game, we just didn't see
Speaker 7: that much of him.
Speaker 4: He was saving for the Giants.
Speaker 6: The irony of this whole deal is what happened last
Speaker 6: year with the running game. Well, Pollard's got to have
Speaker 6: more carries.
Speaker 5: Zeke doesn't need.
Speaker 6: That, man, And now it's well donnelld needs more carries.
Speaker 5: Pollard doesn't need that.
Speaker 6: And the average per carries right about the same three
Speaker 6: point nine. I don't know if they improved it after
Speaker 6: this last game.
Speaker 5: I'm guessing they did well.
Speaker 4: Doddell had twelve carries for seventy nine yards, so their
Speaker 4: average per care was Tony Pollard.
Speaker 6: Like, they've moved the average per carry from from three
Speaker 6: point nine to four point zero.
Speaker 5: So yeah, let them use it.
Speaker 6: I'd like the different tempo between the two running backs,
Speaker 6: just like last year. Now you got Powered being the
Speaker 6: guy that's got to smash into the middle of the line,
Speaker 6: and then you bring in Donneal and they're kind of
Speaker 6: not used to his tempo.
Speaker 7: And no disrespect to any teams that we come up against,
Speaker 7: because you know, we know what happened is in Arizona,
Speaker 7: but I'd love to This should be our time to
Speaker 7: show all of those things that we're going to need
Speaker 7: to do in the playoffs. It's time for us to
Speaker 7: start working on that in the game situation, not just
Speaker 7: in practice, but in the game situation, just like you
Speaker 7: did against the Giants.
Speaker 2: Hopefully the next few games.
Speaker 7: At least this next game, we can work on some
Speaker 7: other things because we have that luxury. I'm hoping we
Speaker 7: have that luxury and that this is not some unnecessarily
Speaker 7: close game where we're going to be biting fingernails.
Speaker 6: Did you ever feel that way when you played? I did,
Speaker 6: like if you played an inferior opponent and you knew it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean, if I was going up against an inferior
Speaker 7: wide receiver receiver, I tell Michael Downs, don't worry about me.
Speaker 7: Go check somewhere else, because this guy here, he ain't
Speaker 7: catch it nothing. He ain't catch you nothing, and if
Speaker 7: he does, it ain't gonna hurt us.
Speaker 4: So I love that confidence.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that was just you know, he had
Speaker 7: to size the guy up and see what you had
Speaker 7: and if you didn't have that much.
Speaker 2: Oh it was Shula.
Speaker 7: Shula had a son that played that was one of
Speaker 7: Indians Indianapolis Coats. That was one of the games I
Speaker 7: played against him, and I just told Mike, like, look, Mike,
Speaker 7: don't even worry about me over here. I can't believe
Speaker 7: the guy was starting. I mean, I wasn't any great athlete,
Speaker 7: but I was a good player. There's a difference. You
Speaker 7: could be an average athlete but still be a good
Speaker 7: player because you know your craft. Little Shuler wasn't either.
Speaker 7: I love it, and I guess I take Umbridge because
Speaker 7: his dad never said my name correctly, and I think
Speaker 7: Eberson he did that on purpose.
Speaker 4: He called you Emerson all the time, all the time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was still mad about that rookie year when
Speaker 7: we shut him down in Dallas after they were toasting
Speaker 7: me all game and I ended up getting the two
Speaker 7: picks and Ron ended up winning the game.
Speaker 2: He never forgave us for that.
Speaker 6: I got another one here. Can we get a blocking
Speaker 6: full back to open holes for Poward like Moose Johnson Johnston.
Speaker 5: Maybe for Emmett hmm. So they don't make.
Speaker 6: Fullbacks like Darryl Johnston?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, we have one. Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 2: not Daryl Johnston, but.
Speaker 5: Well not yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what, give him a.
Speaker 7: Chance Johnson until he got a chance, right right.
Speaker 2: I would love to see Hennikey how he say his name?
Speaker 4: You got from lepke lipke lepke l u e p
Speaker 4: k e just like it's spelled right.
Speaker 7: I'd love to see him get some time. This could be. Yeah,
Speaker 7: well we could work with both of those guys.
Speaker 6: Do you remember the starting running backs in that game
Speaker 6: against you were you might have been already with the Giants.
Speaker 5: It was the one that got no. It might have
Speaker 5: been your nothing.
Speaker 6: Was that the eighty nine season when we got beat
Speaker 6: by the Giants fifteen to nothing. I think all of
Speaker 6: them kind of ran to get starting. The starting running
Speaker 6: backs were Darryl Johnston and Derek Brownlow.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember him.
Speaker 6: And Jimmy complained because it couldn't run the football.
Speaker 7: Well, it's up to his offensive line, not necessarily the
Speaker 7: running back. That's what he's probably thinking.
Speaker 4: I just found in the game where you were referencing
Speaker 4: where you went up against the Shula and wide receiver
Speaker 4: and it was Dave Shoela. I didn't even remember that
Speaker 4: Dave Shula played in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he did.
Speaker 6: And that was the problem with everybody because he became
Speaker 6: a quarterback coach, never played quartera.
Speaker 4: Well, because at first you were mentioned a Shoela, I
Speaker 4: thought of Mike Shula, who played quarterback in Alabama.
Speaker 6: And you might have been benched by then because this
Speaker 6: was the second to last game of the eighties.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was not.
Speaker 4: Which one are you talking about?
Speaker 2: He's talking about the running back where we had.
Speaker 6: Oh because because Jimmy got mad because they got he
Speaker 6: got inside like the five.
Speaker 5: Yard line and couldn't get into the end zone.
Speaker 2: I was on pump time.
Speaker 6: That was the one he chewed out the coaches because
Speaker 6: you weren't strong enough.
Speaker 2: I was on kickoff coverage in Publa. Twn.
Speaker 10: I was.
Speaker 2: That was my by that time.
Speaker 4: That's what I was vagul the Dave Shula Colts game
Speaker 4: against the Cowboys. It was a thirty seven to thirteen
Speaker 4: Cowboys win on December sixth to nineteen eighty one, and
Speaker 4: he did not show up on the stat sheet as
Speaker 4: a not get a catch of that gay rookie? You
Speaker 4: shut him.
Speaker 2: I was ashamed. I was, I was. I was offended.
Speaker 4: Oh well, he did have a kick return for fifteen yards. Wow,
Speaker 4: one kick return for fifteen yards.
Speaker 7: I took joy in that game. I took pleasure in
Speaker 7: doing that. I didn't the top trash. I just whipped
Speaker 7: his little butt.
Speaker 5: I think we needed another break.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I'm I'm enjoying this. I'm enjoying this too much.
Speaker 4: I will say this though, the great Curtis Dickie at
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty yards rushing.
Speaker 2: Never stop him. We could never stop him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred and thirty yards and two touchdowns that
Speaker 4: before Dickison. Curtis Dickie. Wow, I remember him running track
Speaker 4: after North Texas at Risk.
Speaker 2: My rookie year. He broke one almost for like eighty yards.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty one out in Baltimore, in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: Ye yeah, ye. Then years later I saw him. He
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Speaker 4: What do you want to know about Carolina Paths? I
Speaker 4: know they had all the answers for you.
Speaker 6: They've got They cut the guy that was starting at
Speaker 6: left guard, Calvin.
Speaker 2: Throckmart Is it contagious.
Speaker 6: Previous Yeah, their previous starter. Uh, Chandler Savalla is now no, yeah,
Speaker 6: is now starting.
Speaker 4: Fourth round draft pick out of North Carolina State.
Speaker 6: Right, he had was starting, had a neck injury, and
Speaker 6: then they started throck Morton Calvin last name. I just
Speaker 6: thought it was a town up there.
Speaker 4: By, a town, I think, Bob, That's what I think
Speaker 4: I remember it from.
Speaker 5: So anyway, what do we have to fear?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not being and.
Speaker 6: They're tied end by the way, Hayden Hurst is a
Speaker 6: concussion protocol if you were.
Speaker 7: Going to look at someone besides the return man that
Speaker 7: we should really be concerned about.
Speaker 2: A group of that.
Speaker 7: We can say defensive line, offensive Brian Burns, linebackers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ed rusher, Brian Burns.
Speaker 6: I gave you that stat earlier at twelve.
Speaker 4: And a half sacks last year.
Speaker 2: Okay, how many this year?
Speaker 6: Well, Chubba hob pretty good. The running back Cuba Cuba Hubbard.
Speaker 4: You said that right the other day, Cuba Hubbard, Oklahoma
Speaker 4: State Canadian.
Speaker 6: Brian Burns better be because he's wearing number number zero.
Speaker 6: You heard Dion's ran on that. No, why would you
Speaker 6: want to be a zero? That means you're nothing. He
Speaker 6: wouldn't let any if his guys wear zero.
Speaker 2: That is an odd number. I don't know if I'd
Speaker 2: feel comfortable ones here.
Speaker 5: Everybody wanted it though.
Speaker 4: But Brian Burns made the Pro Bowl the last two years.
Speaker 2: And who's he going up against?
Speaker 4: Well, who's starting to tackle with Terrence Steele. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think they move them around their defense. It's very
Speaker 4: similar to the Chargers defense. Jero Evero is the defensive
Speaker 4: coordinator who was on Mike McCarthy's staff with Green Bay
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen. He was with Denver last year. But
Speaker 4: the key there is Dom Capers is the senior defensive
Speaker 4: assistant and so he's got Capers there good, yes, And
Speaker 4: Capers was with McCarthy for ten years and they had
Speaker 4: top ten defenses. Everyone talks about the Packers offense with
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers when McCarthy was there, well, their defenses were
Speaker 4: good too, and for ten years there. And if you
Speaker 4: go back in history, Vic Fangio was on Caper's staff
Speaker 4: at Carolina and then when he was also the head
Speaker 4: coach of the Houston Texans. Well, Brandon Staley, who's the
Speaker 4: head coach of the Chargers, was from the was under
Speaker 4: Vic Fangio and at Chicago and Denver, and so it's
Speaker 4: that type of defense that the Chargers run is the
Speaker 4: same thing that the Panthers run.
Speaker 6: And Caper's the first head coach at Carolina.
Speaker 4: Yeah, first head coach, and Fangio was on his staff.
Speaker 6: Well, here's what you need to know about Dwayne Brown.
Speaker 5: He's one of.
Speaker 6: Just five players league wide to record at least forty
Speaker 6: five plus tackles.
Speaker 4: You're talking about plus.
Speaker 6: Tackles for a loss and eight quarterback hits through the first.
Speaker 4: Derek weeks Derek, you said, Dwayne Brown. Derek Brown. Yeah,
Speaker 4: first round draft pick in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: So the Panther Media Guide spotlighted Derek Brown.
Speaker 2: And he is the edgeresser.
Speaker 4: No, he's in interior.
Speaker 5: Well they call him a defensive end.
Speaker 4: So they's a three man front three four yeah, which
Speaker 4: would be your like five techniques.
Speaker 7: So if I were them, then I would man I
Speaker 7: finally isolated them on steel side, thinking that that would
Speaker 7: be a weakness.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking. I'm just trying to think of things.
Speaker 7: If I'm a coach, and this is the way all
Speaker 7: the coaches I've known have done it, where are our landmines.
Speaker 4: And there's a linebacker named Frankie Luvu who had seven
Speaker 4: sacks last year and he's on pace to have seven
Speaker 4: sacks again this year. He's got three and a half
Speaker 4: this year, and so he'll they'll bring him. They lost
Speaker 4: Shaq Thompson to an injury first game of the season,
Speaker 4: fractured fibula, out for the year. And they lost j. C. Horn,
Speaker 4: their first round draft pick cornerback, to a hamstring injury
Speaker 4: first of the year and now but j C. Horn
Speaker 4: has been designated to return this week. Just a couple
Speaker 4: of days ago he returned to practice. Now whether he's
Speaker 4: be ready to go Sunday. They Frank w Reich didn't
Speaker 4: sound as confident about him as he did someone else
Speaker 4: that could. I can't recall who it was.
Speaker 6: Well, and just don't forget they're starting safety Xavier Woods
Speaker 6: along with von Bell.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 7: If that secondary can't cover our receivers, then they're going
Speaker 7: to have a problem.
Speaker 6: Well, I wonder what they do, because the Giants seemed
Speaker 6: like they were going to be stubborn and go man
Speaker 6: they did.
Speaker 5: That didn't work very well.
Speaker 2: No, I did not. That's always been a knock on deck.
Speaker 7: Let's give hope for pressure and with a man to
Speaker 7: man they could you know, they don't want they didn't
Speaker 7: let them create separation.
Speaker 2: By the wide receivers. That's the goal.
Speaker 7: Well that, like you said, that didn't work out because
Speaker 7: we started using movements and the more we start using
Speaker 7: movement and the bus I feel real good about this offense.
Speaker 6: So when you move movement like move, when you use
Speaker 6: movement like that, does that force you to go zone?
Speaker 2: Well? No, it forces them to show what they're what
Speaker 2: they're running.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but yeah, if you're a defense and
Speaker 5: you're getting.
Speaker 2: You don't necessarily have to You don't go No, you
Speaker 2: don't know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I would if you if you're still in if they
Speaker 7: move them and you're still in man to man, you're
Speaker 7: going to stay in man to man. And I would
Speaker 7: imagine if they're smart, whoever they move, they're probably going
Speaker 7: to double team that guy whoever goes in motion.
Speaker 6: Because I remember, like twenty five years ago when the
Speaker 6: bunch formations just became a thing in high school and
Speaker 6: I was watching a high school game and the one
Speaker 6: school was trying to play man against.
Speaker 5: This and they were running into each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I remember asking Mike zimmer I said, so
Speaker 6: can you can you teach high school kids to play zone?
Speaker 6: He goes, I don't know if they have enough practice
Speaker 6: time to do it.
Speaker 7: What if you move into what if you motion into
Speaker 7: a bunch and you have to be ready if it's
Speaker 7: gonna goes on, two goes on. But otherwise you better
Speaker 7: have a plan on who's gonna stay with who. And
Speaker 7: sometimes those two guys that are on the line already
Speaker 7: that he's a promotioning towards, they might have their own
Speaker 7: game plan on how to deal with those two guys
Speaker 7: on law school right, like we call it banjo.
Speaker 6: And they were crisscrossing and they weren't saying, okay, you
Speaker 6: take the receiver to the outside.
Speaker 5: And you take the receiver to the insight.
Speaker 6: They were trying to stay with the man in front
Speaker 6: of him, and they're running into each other.
Speaker 2: Let's hope that continues.
Speaker 6: I think the defenses might be a little bit more
Speaker 6: sophisticated than they were twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
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