WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Zone Coverage 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.960 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:09.760 Cowboys. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:16.639 This is Nick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:21.120 and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:28.120 Savannah Humoller, Efferson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.240 And it is high noon on Well, it's a little 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.159 past high noon on a Thursday, and it's time for 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.600 another edition of Mick Shots. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:39.319 High right. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.640 We are trying to figure out how to get by 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:49.320 with out Savannah, who is vacationing had a wedding that 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.400 she's at in the Dominican Republic. And so Mickey trying 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.400 to figure out the text line here. And I think 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.520 Mickey might have figured it out. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.040 I think no first figured it out. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.000 Producer Supreme, Oh, well, he had it figured out. He 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.759 was giving a tutorial to Mickey prior to starting this podcast. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.000 And Mickey is about to give you that Cowboys podcast 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.880 text line now. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:18.759 Eight one seven two nine zero three two nine eight. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.240 All right, do you want to open the phone lines? 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:26.919 Maybe the second segment? 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.080 Do you want to give the phone I will. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.160 Number eight eight eight eight five five to two nine such. 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:36.920 Okay, So I've We've gotten permission from Mickey himself that 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.959 we can actually take a phone call. And it feels 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.680 like game week now. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.839 It feels like football weather're out. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.920 There, because if you go outside, you'll find football players 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.480 on the trintball field too. 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:53.480 Right, and they're practicing. And I did see Cavante Turpin 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.240 out there in pads. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.720 I got a good report from the head coach at 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.559 Cavante this morning. As a matter of fact, is it as. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:01.280 Good as mine? 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:02.520 Well, what does your say? 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:03.800 He's ready to go? 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.680 That's what basically what the head coach is good to go. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.120 He's good to go. And in fact, when I brought 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.240 up the name, let me make sure I got it here, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:21.120 Amir Smith Marsette, you know who that is? No ever since? 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.720 Do you know who Smith Marsett is? 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:25.000 Yes, great name. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.360 He was a Kansas City Chief until he became a 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.600 Carolina Panther. Oh on August twenty ninth, traded from the 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.200 Chiefs to the Panthers. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.320 I see his name here. What did he do wide receiver? 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:43.320 What did he do? A week ago? Today? He returned 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.480 to punt seventy nine yards for a touchdown against the 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:48.720 Chicago Bears. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.000 Ah, that was almost the only score in the game. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:52.959 That's right. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.320 We touched down when we tape, which is a good 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.040 lead into my next note. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.959 So get this. When we taped to the Mike McCarthy 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:05.240 show this morning, I mentioned a Meirs Smith Marsett and 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.880 you got to watch out for him on that other side. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:13.639 And that's when McCarthy said, so we'll have two good, two. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.200 Return guys good in the game. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.120 That's what tipped me off that things are okay with 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.840 Cavante Turpin. Look Out, I'm calling it right now. Avante 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:30.079 to the house, to the house turping time in Charlotte 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:30.800 on Sunday. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:31.400 Physically. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.840 I heard he was good to go last week, but 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:39.520 he hadn't practiced, so they decided, now, let's let's wait 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:40.160 till next week. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:40.920 What was his. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.800 USFL team in New Jersey Generals. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:44.720 He was with the Generals. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:51.840 Okay, why do you guess wondering if I was wondering 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.040 if it was in Carolina because I wanted, you know, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:55.960 he'd be going back home. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:57.440 I wasn't sure. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.200 We don't have that storyline now. That could be on 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.920 one of the other teams that he played for the 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.720 Indoor Football League. I think he was in Atlanta playing 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:07.640 on one of these. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.680 He was in Germany, wasn't he? 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.120 It was in Germany. He was in Poland, I believe, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:18.000 playing and he maybe it was in that electronic football 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:18.719 league that he would know. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:19.200 I'm kidding. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.920 No, no, no, the fan thing, the. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:28.360 Fan controlled football. I think that may have been in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:29.039 close to Chark. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.840 So having brought up a mirror, is that how. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:34.160 You say it? 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.800 A mere smith Mars set out of Iowa for four 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:39.800 to three speed. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.960 And he scored a touchdown and they only scored thirteen points. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.159 So they didn't score a touchdown last week. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.880 And that is why. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:59.480 That Frank Wright is returned to story. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:04:59.920 Leave me something. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.039 So he was calling plays the first six games and 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.360 then he handed off to Thomas Brown and they won, 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:13.720 and they won fifteen to thirteen. Over then only scored 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.719 thirteen and thirteen the next two games. And now Reich says. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.680 Well, there was an issue, though there was also an iss. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.120 They only scored thirteen and thirteen, and in one of 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.279 those games, the thirteen. No, it would have been a 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.560 thirteen to thirteen game if not for the two pick 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.839 sixes that made it twenty seven to thirteen. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:35.800 Well, but with Reich calling plays the first six games, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.720 they were averaging a robust sixteen point three points a game. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.120 Well, in one of those games was started by one 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.560 Andy Dalton at Seattle when they scored twenty seven points. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.440 It was with Andy Dalton at quarterback. And Dalton was 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.840 thirty four out of fifty eight for three hundred and 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.320 sixty one yards and two touchdowns in that game. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.840 Okay, so are you blaming this on Bryce Young? 0:05:59.640 --> 0:05:59.880 No? 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.480 Oh, okay, no picks on that game. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.560 Not for Nope, not for Andy Dalton. Nope. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.440 So the difference between the two play callers was sixteen 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.919 point three a game for Reich and eleven point three 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.800 for Brown and the quarterback meaning offensive points and a 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:20.039 different quarterback, right. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.520 And well, Bright, well just that one game Dalton point yeah, yeah. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.280 So I mean, if you wanted to to get a 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.800 level playing field, you would need to figure out the 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.600 Bryce Young quarterback games for in the Frank Reich era. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.320 And the worst part was when they beat the Bears 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.920 fifteen thirteen, and it was they beat the Texans fifteen textings, 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:41.760 I said Bears. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:42.520 They lost to the. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.040 Bears, right, sixteen thirty. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:45.160 Yeah. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.880 Brown was calling plays during that game and he called 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.479 the plays on the winning drive for the field goal 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.920 to win, and they gave Brown a game ball afterwards. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.680 Well, and now they gave them game Yeah, he won 0:06:59.720 --> 0:06:59.960 the game. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.400 Now they took the play calls away from now. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.080 I was listening to the great Bill Pollion last night 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:07.760 on Serious NFL Radio. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.680 He seemed to be doing this quite often. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.240 But one of the reasons I was listening to Bill 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.760 pollyon He's based in Charlotte and so he has close 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.800 tabs on this Carolina team. And what he was saying 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.560 is anyone who knows anything about the NFL knows that 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:29.600 who's calling the plays really doesn't matter. It's who's putting 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.200 the game plan, to plan the place or no, no 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.200 what he's talking about as far as from the coaching standpoint, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.440 it's what they do leading up to game day. And 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.320 he was saying, it's not that big a deal who's 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.880 actually calling the plays because they're just calling it off 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.840 a script and the game plan has already been put together. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.760 And Reich actually pointed that out that Brown continue putting, 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.160 helping with the game plan and installing during the week 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.560 and he's just going to call play. But it never 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.040 explained why he decided to other than not scoring. 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.760 And what I got out of it is he won. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.800 He just feels like the second half of the season 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.960 he needs to be more hands on with the development 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.760 of Bryce Young and as far as you know, game 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.440 to game, play to play, and he feels like, I mean, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.000 that's that's why why he's he's hired there to be 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.480 the head coach is to develop this young quarterback. And 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.080 he feels like he can do that better by being 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.720 in his ear throughout the game. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:32.760 Well, at least he says. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.679 It makes a lot of sense. At least he said, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.280 and he said great things about Thomas Brown the offensive 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.120 Oh yeah, this take it takes nothing away from his 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.000 star which is rising in the NFL. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.200 So he did point out that the reason I'm in 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:50.360 the position I am is because I was a play caller. Yeah, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.000 which is why do head coaches do that? Well, it's like, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.720 the reason you become a head coach is probably because 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.160 you were a really good offensive quarter cut and then 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.000 you become the head coach and you hand the play 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:03.320 calling off to somebody else. 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.520 We have so many other things to do, spags. I mean, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.120 you know all you do is right. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:14.080 No TV, Okay, you rest your case. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:15.960 But I hear him on the podcast. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.120 You hear him on the Reids. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.640 Yeah, so that's why we took We took the play 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.120 calling away from Mickey, Right, we took the reeds away 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.880 from Mickey. That's why we hired Savannah's right, But. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:27.880 He's still the head coach. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.840 But when it goes downhill, it comes to me first, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:31.959 That's right. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.120 We know never to give the play calls back to Mickey. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.360 Just remember I'm the head coach. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.720 I met I met Bill what's his name, Bill Pulliam? 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.240 I met him, Yeah, I think he came. I think 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.480 he came to the Boys game. He came and introduced 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.280 himself to me, and that was my first time meeting. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:52.880 He's cool guy. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.199 He was a GM of the Bills in the Sweet Yeah. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:56.920 It was in one of the sweets. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:58.280 Yeah, he's in the Sweets, you know. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.800 Yeah, so he's he the GM of the Bills throughout 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.240 their Super Bowl runs and then and then the Cults. Yeah, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.679 and drafted Peyton Manning. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:10.679 I got to meet him twice. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.520 I was the AFC pool reporter at the Super Bowl 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.160 for two of their losses, one in Washington and one 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.559 and again no Minnesota. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:23.160 Was it Minnesota. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.800 He wasn't he wasn't stand office at all. No, he 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:26.760 was very engaging. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.040 I think he came up to me and then I 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.640 was with some of the guys and he came up 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.480 and introduced. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.720 Yes, and I really enjoy listening to him. He usually 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.600 is on in the evenings on serious NFL radio and 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:42.280 he's Yeah, he's very educated. I mean he used much 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.880 bigger words than I used. Well, that's why I like 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.000 listed to him to pick up a word or two. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.959 Bro. My introduction to him was at the Super Bowl 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.280 and after the ninety two season when Buffalo was practicing 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:03.120 at USC and he was more worried about the security 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:08.000 around the practice field than he was about stopping EMMITTT. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:08.320 Smith. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:13.320 What what he was with Buffalo win, he would have 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.400 been with Buffalo as the g was. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.520 He was the general manager. 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.680 He was the pro personnel director for the Bills starting 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.880 in nineteen eighty five, the general manager eighty six through 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:31.240 ninety two, and then with the Panthers starting in ninety 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:36.560 five through ninety seven. And that's when Dom Capers was 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.800 the head coach of the Panthers in Indianapolis in ninety 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.959 eight through nine, and he was through twenty eleven, actually 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.840 became team president too, so he. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:47.840 Was I was. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.120 He was came up to me because I guess he 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.040 knew I played for Giants at that time. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:53.559 And we beat that. 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:54.600 That was the first loss. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.040 Yeah there, yea, so this one, this one excellent. 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.719 They were practicing at Southern Cal. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.679 And we didn't even talk about any of that stuff. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.760 We just had fun, just talking about everything. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:10.600 They were practicing at Southern Cal and the field butted up. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.800 The end of the field butted up to the student 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.400 swimming pool and they had a high dive and they 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:22.240 were worried about people on the high dive spying on 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:28.040 their practice, so they closed down the swimming pool and 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.040 then behind to the next So how would that work? 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:31.920 I don't know. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:38.520 I'm watching this that I said the camera right, and 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.120 then I'm at the top of the high dive. At 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.360 at the end of the swimming pool was a dorm 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:51.520 that had pat like a little patio thing outside each floor. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:57.400 At the end balcony balcony, Yeah, wrong word, And they 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.319 were they were trying to shut that students off the balcony. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.559 Hey, you don't know who's who. You don't know who's 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:06.320 but I knew. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:14.160 Who Emmett Smith was they needed to practice, Colly I was. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.480 I was just astounded about their worries. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.079 And I saw it the year before when they were 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.839 at the University of Minnesota and at the end of 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.320 the practice field indoors on the second floor was where 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.800 all the coaches offices were, and they saw a light 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.199 come in one of the offices and they just went crazy, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.040 like somebody was in that office looking at their practice. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.679 He should have been there in New Orleans when the 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.920 was it New Orleans when they when they caught uh, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.240 the Patriots, I mean the Patriots were spying on a 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.520 walk through or something. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:50.199 If I remember. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:55.280 Correctly, then this stuff is serious. Well see what happens 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:56.440 when you pay them a bunch of You. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.839 Told me Tom would stop practice when they were playing 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.800 Washington if there was somebody flying, we did. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.200 We did not stop practice. They bought out the room. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.640 Yeah I know that, Yeah. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:08.440 Yeah, I mean so. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.959 And then the look out here yeah right. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.360 It was like when the Packers were the San Diego 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.280 Super Bowl, the Packers and uh, they're out there practicing 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.000 Homegrown was the head coach, and all of a sudden, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.080 one of the there was an Air Force base or 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.640 Navy airfield close to it, and they came flying over 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:37.520 with a helicopter. They stopped practice to wave the waving 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:38.240 at the guys. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:39.200 They didn't care. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.160 It was all right. With the difference between then and now, Yeah, 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:48.320 it is is that teams practice then, well that's true. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:49.840 You'll see our entire game plan. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.520 You would see the entire game plan based on what 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:54.280 we practiced. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.960 Jimmy was at U c l A busting helmets, right, 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.280 they practiced. They they tech. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.400 What was your what was your work day like before 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.680 that Valley Ranch? What was the facility over there on 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.200 Forest Lane? What did you have as far as classroom 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.240 space and like what did you do for meetings and stuff? 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.960 Let me tell you, No, they had a very small room. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.400 And remember those desks used to sit in in about 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.240 second or third where you came in. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:30.160 From the size, those weren't in there, No way were they. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:32.960 How did they fit in that? 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:39.160 They didn't? I fit. I had I had no problem. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.360 But you know, Harvey Martin too tall. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.040 School and I don't know, and I can't imagine you 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.640 had like fifty three guys in there to say that 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:49.400 the room wasn't that. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:54.160 Yeah, sometimes we have more come on when we came 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.960 back from training camp, we didn't have fifty three. We 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.200 still had we still had themund seventy something players. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.520 So how many hours a day would you be at 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:03.560 the practice facility? 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:05.720 We still have the same hours. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.640 Like still you've come in the morning, coming at nine 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.800 in the morning, nine in the morning. Then we go 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.560 to lunch and then after that we go from uh, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.280 you know, lunch to three something like that. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.640 By the way, when he said go to lunch, they 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.840 had to go to lunch, there. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:26.160 Was no lunch we had we had for now. Remember, Yeah, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.240 we go get run. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.040 Then we had tom Thumb across the street, so we 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.320 get chicken wings or whatever. They had food over there, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:35.720 potato salad network. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.240 Some pizza, pizza place. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.600 Yeah, that's what we had. Yeah, it was it was 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.440 burning up out there. I didn't worry about lunch as 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.320 much as you worried about weight room. You know, wait practice. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.320 Afterwards, which was outdoors. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.920 Outdoors, well you knew that, I mean. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.080 Covered covered though. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.480 Yeah, this much covering in this move. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.440 We had to wait over there, and I don't know, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.720 it was just normal for us at that time. You know, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.200 we didn't realize that we were living like like. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.920 So do you think they put in more hours at 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.400 work then than what they do here now, I would 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.560 say less. I would say that's what I was getting. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:14.880 Nobody want to spend time over there. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.000 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:17.360 Here. It's comfortable. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.720 You go, well, I bet they didn't have an individual 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.520 room for each position. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:23.800 Right, and so what do you do as far as 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.119 position meetings? You know? 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.080 Now we had rooms for a position, yes we did. Okay, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.960 yeah we bought we have rooms for you broke off. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.639 We put everyone up in there. That's really amazing because 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.359 it's just a fieldhouse. I want to say fieldhouse like 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.520 an inventory space or something. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.280 I don't remember being very large at all. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.600 It wasn't that large. But we made it work. We 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.200 made it work. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:43.879 They want super Bowls in that. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.960 Right, I don't need to go back to that. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.320 You need to worry about where to park. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.200 Yes, that was the thing. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.720 I mean we were put in there, like I don't 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.560 know how we all fit in. Come once again, Vernal 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.040 was the dude, give them your keys, tell them the 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.560 pocket for you a yeah, okay, call it what you Ballet. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:03.440 Was not forgot about. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.200 From now, Burnt will go get your car washed. He 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.760 will not go get it. He washed it him so much. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:09.320 Did you tip? 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.560 I didn't have him watched my stuff. Okay, no, because 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.640 at the time I was driving a Mustang. My car 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.240 was so wagged in you and the guys took my 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.040 keys from me. They hated my car so much. I 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.200 mean there was a car drove back and forth to Grambling. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.480 So eventually, you know, we do the ticket thing where 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.240 you you know, you you know, get to get a 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:29.920 dealership to season. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.680 There was so much better back then as a reporter. 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.760 You can just talk to a guy on his way 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.720 to his car, and I mean that was that way 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.240 at Valley. The first time Mavericks practices, they practiced over 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.840 here at the warehouse that Don Carter owned, and they 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.399 had a gym in there, and so they it was 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.480 like just a warehouse parking lot. It was off six 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:54.480 thirty five and at midway around there was it was 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.720 well Welch Road well and basically you could just hang 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.679 out by real Ando Blackman's car and get an interview 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.840 with him as he was waiting to get his car washed. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:06.159 I mean there would be a guy that would be 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:11.680 car washing cars there. Vernell was there. 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:13.040 It's a different season. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:14.120 The first time. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.040 The first time I had to go out to the 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.560 facility forrests and abrams. They gave me the address and 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.399 they said, but you're going to drive right by it. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.360 I go, what do you mean, Well, it doesn't look 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:26.040 like a practice. 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:32.000 Yeah, And so they said, but when you go by this, 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.960 this building with corrugated metal that looks like a transmission 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.120 repair shop, you're gonna see. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.520 Someone really and it rubbed off on your hands if 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:42.040 you touch it. 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.080 They said, you'll see the parking lot where there's the 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:46.000 fancy cars. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:46.680 That's it. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.280 So I'm driving down. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:54.720 A lot of fancy cars on the raggedy uh gravel, right. Yeah. 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.399 And I went right by it, and I saw the cars. 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:58.640