Speaker 1: Oh Ry and Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: It is the week sixteen reaction episode Semi Final matchups.
Speaker 1: They are rounding out and we're here to recap all
Speaker 1: the action from the weekend. I'm your host Seth Wilcock,
Speaker 1: as always, helping us break down the biggest injuries of
Speaker 1: the weekend is the Goat, sports medical professional on the Internet,
Speaker 1: product of Stanford and the Harvard University orthopedic sports surgeon
Speaker 1: and the founder of sportsmed Analytics, doctor Deepak Chona. Deepak,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, not just tonight, but every Sunday
Speaker 1: night this season.
Speaker 2: How are you tonight, friend?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, man.
Speaker 4: It's uh.
Speaker 3: We're still out here in Houston recovering from a little
Speaker 3: bit of a shock yesterday, but otherwise fantasy team's recruising along,
Speaker 3: so let's do it.
Speaker 1: Glad to have you in the saddle. We're also joined
Speaker 1: by a guy who, for a moment yesterday I was
Speaker 1: concerned we're gonna have to send a welfare check on
Speaker 1: yinser fan Longhorn Diehard, the incomparable Scott Bogman.
Speaker 2: How are Semi Finals treating you?
Speaker 4: By? Not so great? I mean, I'm doing okay in
Speaker 4: them home league is a big question mark. I'm moving
Speaker 4: on in two, but I had seven and I'm definitely
Speaker 4: down in three. A couple are not looking good, but maybe's,
Speaker 4: you know, the Monday night miracle, the Sunday night miracle,
Speaker 4: something like that could happen. But I mean, I'm still
Speaker 4: alive in a couple spots for next week. But it's
Speaker 4: not as good as it could have been, especially if
Speaker 4: the Steelers would have won. But at least I'm still
Speaker 4: here today. That is nice. After yesterday, after my pro
Speaker 4: teams and college teams that I haven't missed watching live,
Speaker 4: and years and years and years we're playing at the
Speaker 4: same time. I thought my head was gonna explode, but
Speaker 4: we're all here, and I feel bad. You know, Seth.
Speaker 4: Seth is gonna have to light a candle at the
Speaker 4: altar of the god of stack corrections here because he
Speaker 4: was down like one point or a half a point
Speaker 4: in his Dynasty League to go to the ship as
Speaker 4: the games ended tonight. So let's get that stack correction
Speaker 4: for you. Light a candle.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man Devon ad Chan almost came through
Speaker 1: from me. That fifty yard gainer at the end I'm
Speaker 1: like Bogs. I had a lot of semi final matchups
Speaker 1: rolling I made to the finals and two of them. However,
Speaker 1: my opponent on the other side my fiance and both
Speaker 1: so little rivalry in the house, but still money coming
Speaker 1: into the home. So happy about it either way. I
Speaker 1: hope everyone had a great Week sixteen. Let us know
Speaker 1: below in the live chat or in the comments how
Speaker 1: you and your fantasy teams did heading into the semi
Speaker 1: finals weekend. Before we get going, I also wanted to
Speaker 1: thank the Fantasy Pros community for tuning in. We've got
Speaker 1: a loaded program for you, injury recap with Deepak, plus
Speaker 1: game breakdowns from all thirteen games played this weekend. If
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Speaker 1: like we got some people hanging out with us in
Speaker 1: the chat already saying they started Jonathan Taylor, They're ready
Speaker 1: to go up.
Speaker 4: Everybody who started JT is gonna be here for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah a good.
Speaker 1: Mood, yesbsolutely. A couple of people saying Brian Robinson Junior
Speaker 1: cost him their season.
Speaker 2: It was tough it was tough out there, guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of JT love in the chat. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go all right, well, let's go ahead, let's turn
Speaker 1: the page. Let's talk about some of the unfortunate injuries
Speaker 1: that happened today, Deepak. Starting with York Houston Texans wide
Speaker 1: receiver Tank Dell, who suffered a significant knee injury yesterday,
Speaker 1: very scary scene. Got hit by a teammate once again
Speaker 1: in the leg, caused one of those images where his
Speaker 1: leg kind of appeared to be going the wrong way. Depak,
Speaker 1: Was this as bad as it looked to the untrained eye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately. I would say the early evidence here is
Speaker 3: that it probably is as bad as it looked in
Speaker 3: the sense that the leg was basically crooked. It suggests
Speaker 3: that they said he did dislocate his kneecap, but along
Speaker 3: with that, he probably tore other ligaments in the knee,
Speaker 3: particularly the ACL and mcl are very much at risk
Speaker 3: with the way he fell. Now, all of this kind
Speaker 3: of to say, when the knee is that unstable, they
Speaker 3: want to monitor the leg, make sure the circulation and
Speaker 3: the pulses and that sort of thing are going well.
Speaker 3: So that's probably why he went to the hospital yesterday
Speaker 3: and the fact that they released him today suggests that
Speaker 3: everything went well with regard to that. The question now
Speaker 3: is what are the sort of injuries, the combination of injuries,
Speaker 3: and therefore what is the treatment. Typically, if it is
Speaker 3: a multiple ligament type of issue, it's going to cost
Speaker 3: him probably about fifteen months to return, which would put
Speaker 3: next season basically a wash. Now, I don't want to
Speaker 3: sort of state that I know this for a fact,
Speaker 3: but just based on the video, it certainly does make
Speaker 3: you suspicious for that.
Speaker 2: What does his career outlook like?
Speaker 1: Deepak if this is he's missing the entire twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five season, didn't really look like himself for a lot
Speaker 1: of this second sophomore season after a great rookie year
Speaker 1: that was cut short due to a broken leg as well.
Speaker 1: What does this kind of look like for Tank Dell's
Speaker 1: trajectory from an injury standpoint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he can probably get back to where
Speaker 3: he was, but it typically takes a full season of return.
Speaker 3: So guys that have come back from multi ligament injuries
Speaker 3: include Nick Chubb now twice, JK Dobbins has done it,
Speaker 3: and Javonte Williams recently did it as well, So you know,
Speaker 3: you do see a dip in these players, but then
Speaker 3: eventually it looks like most of them can get back
Speaker 3: to their level. So it probably takes really a full
Speaker 3: year after he returns to expect that though.
Speaker 1: Boggs, are you looking at any other Houston wide receiver's
Speaker 1: potential fantasy starter in week seventeen? And what do you
Speaker 1: think the Texans do long term at wide receiver?
Speaker 2: Not a great.
Speaker 1: Class coming in, but a very serviceable class in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five entering the draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a lot they can draft someone,
Speaker 4: they can re sign Stefan Diggs, they can get a
Speaker 4: free each, and so there are ways that Texans can
Speaker 4: replace Tank. Del John Metchi is an option as well.
Speaker 4: In terms of starting for next for Championship Week, I
Speaker 4: don't think I'm gonna trust anyone not named Nico or
Speaker 4: Schultz or Mixing obviously on the Texans right now, so
Speaker 4: especially short rest Wednesday game against Baltimore not great, So
Speaker 4: probably just gonna be Nico from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to Tank for at least holding onto
Speaker 2: that touchdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the nerves you gotta have are you
Speaker 1: know you're a gritty receiver, so we appreciate that. Teas
Speaker 1: and p's out to him. Hope for a speedy recovery
Speaker 1: out of the second year wide receiver Philadelphia Eagles quarterback
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. He suffered a concussion deep pocket might not
Speaker 1: really matter, as Hurts managers are likely out of the
Speaker 1: fancy football playoffs after being left just four point five
Speaker 1: fantasy points today. Still, what is the data tell us
Speaker 1: about of the odds of the former Sooner suiting up
Speaker 1: here in Week seventeen against the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, just over fifty percent of players
Speaker 3: are missing one game in returning the following, so the
Speaker 3: data slightly favors that. But these timeline have actually been
Speaker 3: coming a little bit shorter over the past probably season
Speaker 3: and a half, so he has a chance. He just
Speaker 3: had to kind of follow the reports on this one
Speaker 3: and see interest of his progression. But data slightly favors
Speaker 3: him missing this next game.
Speaker 1: Bogs, how much do you downgrade aj Brown or DeVonta
Speaker 1: Smith if it's our old pal Kenny Pickett under center
Speaker 1: for the Birds next week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they have to take a bit of
Speaker 4: a dip, but they're still fairly startable. I mean Pickett
Speaker 4: only through to AJ Brown in this game. I think
Speaker 4: he had fifteen targets.
Speaker 2: The defense a couple times.
Speaker 4: Well that's Kenny Pickett. So DeVante Smith also had some targets,
Speaker 4: but cal Katara had nothing. They handed the ball off
Speaker 4: a lot. I just think Saquan is probably gonna get
Speaker 4: a ton of carries because against a bad Dallas Rushdie
Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, probably gonna be a lot of
Speaker 4: Saquon next week if there's no Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: Going to the running back position.
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals running back James Connor injures his knee in
Speaker 1: this game. Obviously, he's no stranger to injuries. It's happened
Speaker 1: most of his career. DEEPOK, what do you think happened
Speaker 1: to the former Pitt Panther here? And could Arizona realistically
Speaker 1: shut him down for the rest of the season after
Speaker 1: being eliminated from the postseason with their lost to Carolina today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's certainly a bit of a judgment
Speaker 3: call in terms of whether to shut him down when
Speaker 3: the season's essentially over. The video looks like his knee
Speaker 3: sort of hyper extended or bent backwards. It didn't look
Speaker 3: severe though from the video alone. In great that's not
Speaker 3: perfectly diagnostic, but it does kind of lower my concern
Speaker 3: level a little bit. My suspicion is he'll probably try
Speaker 3: to return next week, but if not, would probably be
Speaker 3: able to the following.
Speaker 1: Are you firing up a different Arizona running back? We've
Speaker 1: seen de Mercado out there, We've been clamoring to get
Speaker 1: Trey Benson going at some point here Deepak, are you
Speaker 1: excited to start an Arizona running back if Connor is
Speaker 1: out next week?
Speaker 3: I think it's just such a volatile spot and if
Speaker 3: you're starting someone meaningfully, you're probably looking at like the
Speaker 3: Fantasy playoffs. So I don't think I can be firing
Speaker 3: those Yeah, those odds on Trey Benson bogs.
Speaker 2: Do you feel similar?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, there's just it's James Connor or bus there.
Speaker 4: They've got the Rams next week. I if Connor's not up,
Speaker 4: hopefully he is, that there's probably not a back that
Speaker 4: I'm starting for the Cards.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough?
Speaker 1: Potentially maybe twenty twenty five a better year for Benson
Speaker 1: in that backfield. Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Drake London injures
Speaker 1: his hamstring. This one was a heartbreaker, specifically to that
Speaker 1: dynasty team we were talking about, guys, Deepak. We've learned
Speaker 1: so much about hamstrings through you this season and how
Speaker 1: the grade severely impacts the timeline for return. What are
Speaker 1: the team leaves telling you about the significance of this
Speaker 1: one for Drake London here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the comments afterwards said that he probably could
Speaker 3: have come back in if the game were closer, and
Speaker 3: the game was never really close, so that may played
Speaker 3: a role here. Now, sometimes these things do tighten up
Speaker 3: a little bit and make it a little bit higher
Speaker 3: injury reinjury risk when wide receivers specifically come back, So
Speaker 3: it's not totally uncommon to see teams slow play this.
Speaker 3: But based on the common so far, my suspicion is
Speaker 3: he tries to play next week.
Speaker 1: Fantastic, that's great news. New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: He returned after an awkward hit and some time in
Speaker 1: the blue tent. What do you think happened in the
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer dpak and will he be ready
Speaker 1: to go finish the season?
Speaker 3: Yeah, his ankles bent inwards and that's kind of the
Speaker 3: high ankle mechanism but it didn't look severe. It wasn't
Speaker 3: totally planted firmly in the ground when it bent, so
Speaker 3: all in all, you know, it is probably something he
Speaker 3: can play through. He has so far this year already
Speaker 3: played through injury, and my suspicion is that's the way
Speaker 3: he'll probably try to go.
Speaker 4: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: I don't expect this to cause a lot of mistime,
Speaker 3: or at least if he does miss time, it's probably
Speaker 3: somewhat of a personal decision given the status of the season.
Speaker 1: Boggs, Are you still wheels up on all these Jets
Speaker 1: players as long as Rogers is out there slinging it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I as much as I feel
Speaker 4: like Aaron Rodgers is probably gonna give up or something
Speaker 4: if he is hurt, because what is the point of
Speaker 4: him playing these last two games? Right right? I think
Speaker 4: he's gonna be out there, and he said he wants
Speaker 4: to finish out the season, so I'm gonna take him
Speaker 4: at his word.
Speaker 1: Okay, And before we let you go Deepak, do you
Speaker 1: have an update on Seattle Seahawks running back Kenneth Walker.
Speaker 1: We did see him just go down limped off the
Speaker 1: field in that Seattle game. Just this afternoon, so it
Speaker 1: might be too early to get any real diagnosis from you,
Speaker 1: but this is the guy who's battled injuries all season long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally not a ton of info available on this
Speaker 3: one yet, waiting for their kind of postgame presser. The
Speaker 3: info so far, or at least the thought is that
Speaker 3: these cafin for running backs that he was coming off
Speaker 3: of carry high reinjury risks and we kind of knew
Speaker 3: that going in. So it's not just his calf though
Speaker 3: that we're worried about. It changes your whole loading mechanics.
Speaker 3: So having him have an ankle injury now just one
Speaker 3: game into the return not totally unheard of and surprising.
Speaker 3: So my suspicion is this may cost him some time.
Speaker 3: But again, not a lot of info yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, bugs, Obviously we don't want to speculate too much
Speaker 1: with not knowing the status of kub three there, but
Speaker 1: if he's out, I mean it's hard to say zact sharbonay.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I mean wheels up. You know, Sharps gets
Speaker 4: everything when Walker's down and Walker gets a lot when
Speaker 4: he's up. So they really like to focus on the
Speaker 4: one RB there, and it's been sharps when Walker's down.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if Walker is down, I expect Sharbonay to
Speaker 4: get a lot of touches.
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Speaker 1: high end RB two low end ORB one range.
Speaker 2: If there is no Kenneth Walker, Deepak.
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Speaker 3: My friend, man, thanks, it's been a hell of a run.
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Speaker 1: All right, and before we get to the game recaps,
Speaker 1: I did want to shout out a guy, Tony Nelson
Speaker 1: in the chat, saying, finally made it to my main
Speaker 1: be championship after six years.
Speaker 2: Let's go bogs.
Speaker 1: This is why we do this, right, Like, this is
Speaker 1: why fancy football is so fun, because it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how many times you lose. If you're in that championship,
Speaker 1: you got a shot. And it looks like I got Tony.
Speaker 2: Does right here.
Speaker 4: Hey, look, you know there's money on the line, there's trophies,
Speaker 4: there's pride, fun, But I mean talking smack to your
Speaker 4: buddies is the best prize that you can have. I
Speaker 4: really like, you know, you can win a bunch of money,
Speaker 4: and money is outstanding, but being able for a year
Speaker 4: to just kick it right in your buddy's face, that
Speaker 4: is what we play for. That is exactly what we want. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember last year was the first time I had
Speaker 1: ever won my home league in its current configuration and
Speaker 1: super competitive, and I've made a victory video sending recapping,
Speaker 1: doing all the trash talk and I could and it
Speaker 1: felt better than getting that deposit right in my bank account.
Speaker 1: So absolutely it's a great time, and let's get into
Speaker 1: the game recaps. Here a week's sixteen that did decide
Speaker 1: who will be playing for a championship in most leagues.
Speaker 1: Wedged in between some college football playoff games Yesterday on
Speaker 1: Saturday was the Chiefs beating the Texans twenty seven to nineteen.
Speaker 2: Fun game.
Speaker 1: Two turnovers are ultimately what cost the Texans going on
Speaker 1: to win this game. Mahomes proved that I think he
Speaker 1: might be Wolverine like made mighty to Vibranium out there.
Speaker 1: Ankle looked really good, Bogs Hollywood Brown. He returned for
Speaker 1: five for forty five on eight targets. Kelsey kind of
Speaker 1: a bit of a dud again, five for thirty his
Speaker 1: third straight game under double digit PPR points. And Xavier
Speaker 1: Worthy justifying my bold take about six seven weeks ago
Speaker 1: where I thought he could be a league winner seven
Speaker 1: for sixty five and one on double digit targets, once
Speaker 1: again averaging fourteen point three Fantasy points over the past
Speaker 1: six weeks.
Speaker 2: Boggs.
Speaker 1: Any takeaways on the current state of the Chiefs pass
Speaker 1: catchers or their offense in general.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that Xavier Worthy, as you mentioned, is
Speaker 4: becoming the main cog in this offense right now. And
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it's going to be different with Rashi
Speaker 4: Rice back next year. I'm sure Travis Kelce will be
Speaker 4: more involved obviously next season as well if he's back.
Speaker 4: But right now, Worthy is not only getting the targets,
Speaker 4: but the snaps as well. Fifteen nine snaps for him.
Speaker 4: The next highest wide receiver on the Chiefs was Watson
Speaker 4: with thirty eight. He ran fifteen more routes than Watson.
Speaker 4: He ran seventeen more than Hopkins. Here, I'm sorry, no,
Speaker 4: he ran nine more than Hopkins. He ran way more
Speaker 4: than anybody else on his team. So Worthy is becoming
Speaker 4: the main guy. The other thing that I saw with
Speaker 4: his Chiefs offense is the splitting of the running backs again.
Speaker 4: You know, it seemed to go a little more to
Speaker 4: Pacheco last week. This week it was back to Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 4: So that big question marks going into a tough matchup
Speaker 4: against Pittsburgh for the championship. So you know that starting
Speaker 4: Hunt or Pachecko is going to be icy on Christmas
Speaker 4: Day on Wednesday on short rest with them, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of splitting this and not really knowing who is
Speaker 4: going to be the hot hand or get in the
Speaker 4: end zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd probably prefer like just to start and either
Speaker 1: if I don't have to, like if you have to
Speaker 1: throw one of them out of the flex, I guess
Speaker 1: you could, but probably prefer not to. I did want
Speaker 1: to ask you about the Texans. We've kind of talked
Speaker 1: about them life after Tank Dell, what that might look like?
Speaker 1: Really no fancy value outside your guys like Nico Collins,
Speaker 1: like Joe Mixon.
Speaker 2: But is quarterback c J. Stroud worth a start still?
Speaker 2: You think here?
Speaker 1: He had a good showing against the Chiefs and he
Speaker 1: gets the nuts matchup of Baltimore on Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Baltimore could be a good matchup. We've
Speaker 4: seeing that secondary play poorly. They were good this week
Speaker 4: against our Steelers with you know, out our best s
Speaker 4: wide receivers, So we'll see what that looks like. But yeah,
Speaker 4: Stroud is kind of a question. We did see Schultz
Speaker 4: get a touchdown and a couple more targets after Dell
Speaker 4: went out as well, so I think Schultz is the
Speaker 4: guy to get a bump here if anybody obviously Metchi
Speaker 4: in playing time, and Hutchinson got a decent amount as well,
Speaker 4: so I can't I don't know why I keep saying
Speaker 4: Mechi was Hutchinson that got the bump here, and Robert
Speaker 4: Woods Bobby Trees saw a little bit of action as well.
Speaker 1: Also on Saturday was the Baltimore Ravens beating our Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers thirty four to seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Baltimore out gained the Steelers by one hundred and
Speaker 2: three yards.
Speaker 1: A big part of that was Dereck Henry the King
Speaker 1: going for one hundred and sixty two yards on twenty
Speaker 1: four carries, Zay Flower five for one hundred. Mark Andrews
Speaker 1: found the end zone once again. Nine touchdowns in the
Speaker 1: past ten weeks for Andrews. I know everyone wanted to
Speaker 1: quit him early in the season, but if you held on,
Speaker 1: he's performed nicely. Steelers offense continues to look nerved without
Speaker 1: George Pickens. I think we've said that on this program
Speaker 1: for a few weeks now, Boggs, any thoughts on this
Speaker 1: game or the fantasy players involved.
Speaker 4: I mean, Lamar finally looked good against Pittsburgh, right, So
Speaker 4: if you're kind of thundering in that decision, you know,
Speaker 4: then Lamar was great. So hopefully he didn't bench him.
Speaker 4: We'll see I mean, Derrick Henry a beast, probably carrying
Speaker 4: you to your championship if you started him. Zay was
Speaker 4: great as well. And on the Pittsburgh side, I know
Speaker 4: you saw it and you know we saw it. It was
Speaker 4: way more Jalen Warren this week, and I thought that
Speaker 4: fit because I figured they were going to have to
Speaker 4: pass a little bit more. But I mean it was
Speaker 4: significant this week, not only in the touches, right, the
Speaker 4: touches weren't that big a deal. Was twelve carries to
Speaker 4: nine for Naji. Now she didn't get a catch and
Speaker 4: warren't had five, but the snaps it was forty for
Speaker 4: Warren and seventeen for Nase. So it looks like late
Speaker 4: in the season the Steelers are kind of slanting more
Speaker 4: towards Jalen Warren getting the ball, and I think that
Speaker 4: is the right move because Nase really loves to run
Speaker 4: into the back of the offensive lineman a lot. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know, a lot of holes collapsed, so the line
Speaker 4: needs work. But yeah, Naj just not making the right
Speaker 4: decision too many times. Had that fumble las week as well,
Speaker 4: and Tomlin does punish a player when they fumble, So
Speaker 4: we saw a lot more Jalen Warren this week.
Speaker 1: This is another game where I'm probably not starting the
Speaker 1: running backs for Pittsburgh next week against the Chiefs unless
Speaker 1: I have to write like you just it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to handicap them because they're gonna split the work. And
Speaker 1: if the if the Steelers are trailing to the Chiefs
Speaker 1: once again, which we're kind of expecting, if Pickens isn't
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of this one, I just don't like
Speaker 1: that out look for either man.
Speaker 4: If you had to start, but check O Hunt, Nause
Speaker 4: or Warren. Who are you going with there? I'm going
Speaker 4: with Warren?
Speaker 1: Really yeah, oh Man probably probably probably a Chief's running back,
Speaker 1: but maybe that.
Speaker 4: Yes, our Steelers fan in me, oh yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, I just think I just think Jalen
Speaker 4: will get the most snaps out of any of those
Speaker 4: guys very well.
Speaker 1: Could My last question on this game to you is
Speaker 1: Lamar your QB one for twenty twenty five QB one
Speaker 1: this season so far, just scored another twenty point five
Speaker 1: Fantasy points this week.
Speaker 2: It feels like.
Speaker 1: It's really been him, Josh Allen, and Jayden Daniels that
Speaker 1: are really those difference makers at the QB position, So
Speaker 1: is Lamar your QB one four twenty twenty five bucks.
Speaker 4: I think it's probably still gonna be Josh Allen, but okay,
Speaker 4: it's going to be a tier of Josh Allen and Lamar.
Speaker 4: So you know, Burrows looked great as well. I know
Speaker 4: he has to be way up there, but you know,
Speaker 4: I've been on Lamar since he came out of Louisville,
Speaker 4: and same thing with Josh Allen and Wyoming. And I
Speaker 4: was the guy that drafted Burrow over CMC in a
Speaker 4: super flex that got me a lot of flak and
Speaker 4: I made it to the semifinals, so lost to the
Speaker 4: Cincinnati fan Jeff Erickson. My buddies over there, But you
Speaker 4: know I had Burrow. I was hoping Burrow could beat him,
Speaker 4: but he had Higgins. So Higgins at a decent game
Speaker 4: before coming up laying there. But yeah, it was that.
Speaker 4: Those those will probably be my quest Okay next year.
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of the Bengals, let's get into Sunday's action
Speaker 1: in the Jungle, where the Bengals do beat the Browns
Speaker 1: twenty four to six. They moved to seven and eight.
Speaker 1: They keep their postseason hopes alive slightly everyone in Sincy
Speaker 1: continued to eat for fantasy purposes. Chase Brown thirteen point
Speaker 1: nine Fantasy points, a little bit down compared to what
Speaker 1: he's been lately, but still serviceable. Jamar Chase twenty two
Speaker 1: point four Fantasy points. T Higgins nineteen point eight Fantasy
Speaker 1: points for the second straight week. The Browns, meanwhile, led
Speaker 1: by Dorian Thompson Robinson, had just two hundred seventy three
Speaker 1: yards of offense three turnovers. Dave Nijoku he saw ten targets,
Speaker 1: eight for sixty six on the day. Jerome Ford, though
Speaker 1: really the winner out of Cleveland. I would say twenty
Speaker 1: four point one fantasy points without Nick Chubb, who suffered
Speaker 1: that broken foot last week, eleven for ninety two and
Speaker 1: one on the ground, five for thirty nine on five targets.
Speaker 2: Through the air.
Speaker 1: However, DTR starting really came out the expense of one
Speaker 1: player who's got us as far, Jerry Judy just two
Speaker 1: for twenty Boggs.
Speaker 2: Is Judy back to the Pine for Fantasy Championships next
Speaker 2: week against the Fins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how you could start him after
Speaker 4: seeing what DTR did this week, and with Stefanski also
Speaker 4: saying that DTR is the starter next week if he's
Speaker 4: healthy enough. You know, how could you start Jerry Judy
Speaker 4: in crunch time, right, especially when most of Jerry Judy's
Speaker 4: production in his career came with Jamis to Winston. It
Speaker 4: wasn't just like, you know, oh man, he's been great
Speaker 4: and DTR ruined him. Nah, Jamis made him good. You know,
Speaker 4: I think we can say that. So Jerry ju probably overrated.
Speaker 4: We definitely did that. And look, Cincinnati's defense still providing
Speaker 4: for fantasy, right, Like Jerome Ford had a sixty six
Speaker 4: yard run to start, he didn't do a lot after that,
Speaker 4: got in the end zone. That was n nice. Also
Speaker 4: added some you know, dump off catches from DTR. But yeah,
Speaker 4: since he provides for fantasy, for sure.
Speaker 1: Probably Nujoku if you need a tight end next week,
Speaker 1: Jerome Ford probably a mid to low end RB two
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, I think so, probably right, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds good. And I got to wear a little
Speaker 1: egg on my face here as well when we're speaking
Speaker 1: about the Bengals, because I was actually kind of low
Speaker 1: on Joe Burrow coming into this season. Bogs just the
Speaker 1: risk injury. It's an injury we hadn't seen at the
Speaker 1: QB position on the professional level in quite some time,
Speaker 1: if not ever. So I was actually drafting Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: over Joe Burrow this year, which huge mistake on my part.
Speaker 1: And I think the injury industry as a whole.
Speaker 4: Here, Yeah, I think that's what we get into when
Speaker 4: we you know, when we start knocking guys just for injury,
Speaker 4: Like the skill is still in there. So if Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow can hold up, you know he's going to be good.
Speaker 4: And he is. He is really really good. You know,
Speaker 4: that defense is really really bad and they have to
Speaker 4: pass the ball to stay in games. And you have
Speaker 4: the best wide receiver in the league on that team
Speaker 4: and Jamar Chase so became the first ever Bangal with
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred yards receiving in this game, so all time
Speaker 4: leader in US for a single season. They've had some
Speaker 4: good ones Sincy. So yeah, Chase is just super impressive
Speaker 4: in him and Burrow work together, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I feel like I was the only one saying I'm
Speaker 4: not done with Burrow and I hate the mangles, so uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I think I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 4: pretty expensive buy next year.
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Speaker 1: In Hotlanta, the Falcons dismantle the New York Football Giants
Speaker 1: thirty four to seven. We saw the starting debut of
Speaker 1: rookie Michael Pennix junior eighteen for twenty seven two hundred
Speaker 1: and two yards and an interception, if you want to
Speaker 1: call it that. What did you think of the former
Speaker 1: Huskies performance in this one, Bogs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked pretty good. I mean you know, a
Speaker 4: nice game against the Giants to get your confidence up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: is smart. And everybody in the world knows that that
Speaker 4: pick was not his fault. I mean it bounced off
Speaker 4: of Kyle Pitts straight.
Speaker 2: It looks like he I almost thought he tried to
Speaker 2: like latter it forward or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the meme that I saw was when
Speaker 4: the water boy catches the ball and then gets it
Speaker 4: to the guy who he wants to hit because he
Speaker 4: made fun of Mama. That's the one that I saw
Speaker 4: of Kyle Pits a bunch. So yeah, Pennix looked pretty good.
Speaker 4: He was hitting Drake London a bunch early, found Mooney
Speaker 4: open on some nice ones as well. And you know
Speaker 4: it helps to have Bejeon back there eating up twenty
Speaker 4: two carries as well. So yeah, not bad for Michael
Speaker 4: Pennock's debut.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're really downgrading any of these Atlanta
Speaker 1: pass catching options with Pennix, maybe even upgrading them a
Speaker 1: little bit based on what we saw from Kirk Dizzler
Speaker 1: over the last month or so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would. You know, Kirk, it looked not healthy.
Speaker 4: He was clearly not healthy, So you had to make
Speaker 4: a move to a different quarterback, regardless of if it
Speaker 4: was your first round pick or just your backup, because
Speaker 4: of how Kirk just could not move. So with him
Speaker 4: looking good like this, yeah, we don't downgrade any of
Speaker 4: these targets because they're probably better off with Penix now
Speaker 4: than they were with fifty percent of Kirk Cousins or
Speaker 4: whatever percentage you wanted to give him.
Speaker 1: It was bad, yeah, yeah, and once you were also
Speaker 1: losing that confidence as a quarterback where you don't want
Speaker 1: to step into your throes because you're not certain that
Speaker 1: you're missing a defender out there on the defense or
Speaker 1: you're not seeing something correctly.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's a tough game, especially for someone like Kirk who
Speaker 1: he's not mobile anymore, right like he was always a
Speaker 1: bit of a statue and now even more so so.
Speaker 1: Hoping the best for Kirk Cousins, we are hearing some
Speaker 1: reports that he might be getting cut this offseason. So hey,
Speaker 1: maybe the Steelers give another, you know, million dollar quarterback
Speaker 1: a run.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I heard they're gonna give Russ the three years one
Speaker 4: hundred that Mayfield has got, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: About that, but that's a program for a different day.
Speaker 1: The Giants in this game, they feel like one of
Speaker 1: the easiest teams to handicap their players. Malik Neighbors is
Speaker 1: always like seven for sixty eight, seven for seventy two,
Speaker 1: something like that. Go seven for sixty eight today. Tyrone
Speaker 1: Tracy just seven for twenty six on the ground, but
Speaker 1: did catch a great to tap touchdown in the back
Speaker 1: of the end zone.
Speaker 2: Finished four for forty three and one through the air.
Speaker 1: Anything to add for the Giants, because I feel like
Speaker 1: the last six week is it's been Neighbors, Tracy or Bust.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, look, you know, maybe in a super
Speaker 4: deep league we're talking sixteen to twenty one day, it
Speaker 4: could be an option for were you, But with Drew
Speaker 4: Lock out there, the offensive line bad, they're basically packing
Speaker 4: it in. Yeah, you don't want to start giants that
Speaker 4: aren't named Neighbors or Tracy. That's it. I mean, I
Speaker 4: wish we had more to speak on them. I wish
Speaker 4: Daniel Bellinger was looking good, Yeah, in a replacement of
Speaker 4: Theo Johnson here. I wish Drew Locke was coming out
Speaker 4: here slinging it so we could get a guy like
Speaker 4: maybe Jalen Hyatt involved, or you know, maybe Singletary was
Speaker 4: a goal line back for a team that scored a lot.
Speaker 4: That would be nice. But we have what we have
Speaker 4: with the Giants, and so it's neighbors and it's Tracy
Speaker 4: and nobody else.
Speaker 1: Let's go Drew Locke, Come on, buddy, let's put it.
Speaker 1: Let's put put some good tape on film here the
Speaker 1: rest of the season.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be an analyst pretty soon. You know. I
Speaker 4: think he's he's a personality.
Speaker 1: He could be Yeah, yeah, hey, maybe maybe a fancy
Speaker 1: prosy sent him a little offer. Maybe, uh, maybe get
Speaker 1: him in here some days you can give you a
Speaker 1: little Sunday night off.
Speaker 2: Or do you think, yeah, fine, he's a backup.
Speaker 1: It's like the uh It's like is it the progress
Speaker 1: over the State Farm commercials?
Speaker 2: It's like when you need a backup. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true. Lock for us.
Speaker 4: Any come over and get my wasp nest too, that'd
Speaker 4: be great. Him and Cole McCoy.
Speaker 1: In the Windy City, the Lions took care of business,
Speaker 1: beating the Bears thirty four to seventeen. This was a
Speaker 1: spread I think I should have hit the Lions on.
Speaker 1: It felt a little short for what they've done, but
Speaker 1: defense been really banged up. The offense didn't give a
Speaker 1: damn this week, four hundred and seventy five yards on
Speaker 1: offense for Detroit, Big games for golf outdoors when a
Speaker 1: lot of people were fading him, twenty three for thirty two,
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty six yards, three touchdowns, twenty five
Speaker 1: point four fantasy points, and each major pass catcher, whether
Speaker 1: it's jamo A Monros, Sam Laporter, they all found the
Speaker 1: end zone. So are they all must starts against the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers on the night football in Week seventeen.
Speaker 1: Obviously Gibbs. He continued to eat here without Monty as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Gibbs had a lot of snaps as well,
Speaker 4: forty five of sixty five he ran twenty routes. Craig
Speaker 4: Reynolds was in there for ten. They gave from Jefferson,
Speaker 4: the former Oregon State running back five, se Ony Vaki
Speaker 4: five as well snaps. So it was all Gibbs, which
Speaker 4: is very nice to see if you're rostering Gibbs. I
Speaker 4: saw someone earlier in the chat said I'm in three
Speaker 4: and I made all three on the back of Gibbs.
Speaker 4: Oh that was very nice. Yeah, and the Niners are
Speaker 4: a good matchup. We saw them in a weird matchup
Speaker 4: with the Dolphins today. Well, of course we got to
Speaker 4: check weather reports and everything because Jared Goff, as our
Speaker 4: boy piece of PA loves to say, is an indoor cat.
Speaker 4: But yeah, looked like he was getting okay along okay
Speaker 4: with those outdoor cats today. He was doing fine, So
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna call him an indoor outdoor yet. But
Speaker 4: this was a good game outdoors in the cole against Chicago.
Speaker 4: No weird weather either. So yeah, these they have to
Speaker 4: keep passing the ball and putting points on the board
Speaker 4: because this defense is so banged up, and you know,
Speaker 4: the Niners are out of it. You know, maybe you
Speaker 4: get a lack of of want or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well we saw players just quit on him a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, so yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think that that's the case for most NFL players.
Speaker 4: I think if you're out there between the lines, you're
Speaker 4: giving it, you're all So I think that, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that these Lions are the guys that you want
Speaker 4: to start right now and everything is clicking and they
Speaker 4: need it.
Speaker 1: The Bears were out of this game early, but the
Speaker 1: wide receivers all still got to double digit points before
Speaker 1: roma Dunesay fumble. He finished right in that nine point range.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen nine for one, forty one and one on
Speaker 1: thirteen targets for twenty nine fantasy points. Oh Doonsay four
Speaker 1: for seventy seven on seven targets. DJ Moore seven for
Speaker 1: sixty eight on ten targets. How are we ranking these
Speaker 1: wide receivers against Seattle on Thursday Night Football Bogs Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen over twenty fantasy points and four of.
Speaker 2: His last five.
Speaker 1: We are writing this guy off like six weeks ago
Speaker 1: and he's been wide receiver nine over the past month.
Speaker 4: Yes, well again, any game outdoors in this week seventeen.
Speaker 4: We're looking at weather reports first, so I haven't seen
Speaker 4: anything quite yet here. But yeah, look, I guess the
Speaker 4: experience that you're giving Caleb is go out there and
Speaker 4: throw it fifty times because they never ran the ball, right,
Speaker 4: They just they just don't run the ball. It's all passing.
Speaker 4: Forty pass attempts. Again, Now, Caleb did a much better job.
Speaker 4: He only took two sacks in this game. Now, I
Speaker 4: was against maybe the most hurt defensive line I've ever
Speaker 4: seen in my life. In the Lions, So maybe that
Speaker 4: was the coincidence there, And Seattle can put pressure on
Speaker 4: the quarterback. Boy, they did it today to Sam Darnold,
Speaker 4: so we'll see. But yeah, I mean, these guys are
Speaker 4: going to keep getting targets because this is what the
Speaker 4: offense has been ever since Brown took over. It's all passing,
Speaker 4: barely any running. And yeah, they also had their left
Speaker 4: tackle get hurt today too, which isn't good for Caleb
Speaker 4: holding onto the ball. So we'll see. But I think
Speaker 4: the offense is showing us right now it is volume passing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: I would say you can start Keenan Allen if you
Speaker 1: need him. You can start DJ Moore and.
Speaker 2: That's about it.
Speaker 1: Like, I really still don't trust Swift. Three for thirty
Speaker 1: three through the air, but just six for thirty four
Speaker 1: on the ground. You mentioned a couple weeks ago, once
Speaker 1: we saw Shane Waldron out of the play calling duties
Speaker 1: and the Bears organization as a whole, it was really
Speaker 1: like Swift season kind of kind of slowly swept away there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't think so either. He had looked so
Speaker 4: good to start the season, right, and that was kind
Speaker 4: of like, a Okay, we have a new offense to
Speaker 4: install here, let's lean on this run game that's been working. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it has been the complete opposite. They have gone
Speaker 4: completely away from it and as soon as they get
Speaker 4: down they abandon the run and sling it. So that's
Speaker 4: what I expect to see because the defense has not
Speaker 4: been playing up to snuff, especially here against the line.
Speaker 1: Yes, we had a huge upset in Charlotte where the
Speaker 1: Panthers get the win thirty six to thirty in overtime.
Speaker 4: Bounce the Cards out of playoff contention.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, congratulations to the Panthers for playing spoiler once
Speaker 1: again they have been in games recently. They slightly outgained
Speaker 1: the Cardinals in this one, but they did have a
Speaker 1: turnover free game, which is an accomplishment for Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: Thirty two point five fantasy points for Cuba. Hubbard twenty
Speaker 1: five for one, fifty one and two on the ground,
Speaker 1: add another four for thirteen in the air as well.
Speaker 1: Adam Thielen got the job done five for forty three
Speaker 1: and one on six targets fifteen point three fantasy points.
Speaker 2: Bogs.
Speaker 1: A few things on Carolina here. I want your opinion
Speaker 1: on a are feeling and Cuba Mustards next week against
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. And where are you drafting Cuba next year
Speaker 1: with potentially no Jonathan Brooks for at least the majority
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 4: Once again, Yeah, I mean they're gonna have to add
Speaker 4: somebody because I don't even know if you can continue
Speaker 4: to count on j JB long term. This is two
Speaker 4: major knee injuries and back to back years barely any
Speaker 4: carries as well, So just very tough for JB. And
Speaker 4: the continuation of his career is going to be an
Speaker 4: upward climb for sure. So I think they'll add somebody.
Speaker 4: But it's working with Chuba and they signed him to
Speaker 4: an extension. This is their guy moving forward, and I
Speaker 4: think Bryce is their guy too. He's looked great, especially
Speaker 4: in this game, and especially down the stretch. You can
Speaker 4: see his confidence growing. He took a big hit, got
Speaker 4: up with a big grin on his face because he
Speaker 4: completely completed the pass. Like you can see the confidence
Speaker 4: growing in him. And hopefully we're going to see Alabama
Speaker 4: Bryce Young here pretty soon, because that's what it's looking like.
Speaker 4: You know, this was they still don't have you know,
Speaker 4: Deelan Is is older. Deontay Johnson didn't work out, so
Speaker 4: They're probably going to add some talent to the s
Speaker 4: wide receiver corps as well. The tight ends are are
Speaker 4: working well in tandem with Trembull and Jatavian Sanders. Really
Speaker 4: what they need is fixes on defense. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think this offense looks pretty good. I think Cuba's going
Speaker 4: to be their guy next year, and they're probably gonna
Speaker 4: add somebody, but I would not count on that somebody.
Speaker 4: I know they like to run two guys. But when
Speaker 4: Cuba is running this well, and we said this about
Speaker 4: a bunch of backs before, I didn't think I was
Speaker 4: gonna say it about Chuba. We just didn't realize how
Speaker 4: bad the offense was there last season. But they're giving
Speaker 4: everything to Cuba, and it's hard to take your best
Speaker 4: player off the field, and he is the best offensive
Speaker 4: player right now.
Speaker 2: He could be a top fifty pick probably next year.
Speaker 4: I'd say when you absolutely yes for sure, and.
Speaker 1: You're obviously starting him next week against Tampa Bay. Same
Speaker 1: with flan Or Feland kind of still in that flex
Speaker 1: wide receiver three range for you.
Speaker 4: DeLand is more questionable. We're definitely starting Cuba, but but
Speaker 4: I mean it's a good matchup against the Bucks, so
Speaker 4: I'm probably rolling him out there. He's been great since
Speaker 4: coming out in I was kind of a little leery
Speaker 4: on it. Our boy, the Welsh was all over Adam
Speaker 4: Delen coming back, so shout out to him. And it
Speaker 4: has been absolutely working.
Speaker 1: And you do think that from a Dynasty perspective that
Speaker 1: the Panthers are sticking with Bryce Young or obviously this
Speaker 1: QB class kind.
Speaker 2: Of has dried up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Drew Aler's coming back to school. He could have been
Speaker 1: a potential like late first round, early second round guy
Speaker 1: Quinn you were, is your guy down Texas potentially also
Speaker 1: coming back to either play for Texas, North Carolina, Big Tensagle.
Speaker 1: We don't really know yet, you know, but there are
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out there that could go on Day two, day three.
Speaker 1: Curtis Rourke from Indiana's one that kind of comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Do you think maybe the Panthers grab a guy like
Speaker 1: that or do you think and you sell Bryce Young
Speaker 1: high in Dynasty here, do you think you just stay
Speaker 1: backed and hey, I might have a starter for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I think maybe you grab a backup.
Speaker 4: I'd rather I'd prefer to have a veteran, you know,
Speaker 4: than a young guy backing up, but you got to
Speaker 4: give him another shot. This was his first year in
Speaker 4: the Canalis as well. And remember he lost a job
Speaker 4: fast and then he got it back late. So I
Speaker 4: think a longer look is definitely deserved for Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: And I don't think they're going to make any massive
Speaker 4: move in the okas.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't.
Speaker 4: Think like they're not gonna go get Kirk Cousins and
Speaker 4: let them find it out in camp or anything like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just gonna be be why and you know, like
Speaker 4: a Trubisky or someone of that mold okay behind him,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe just Fields.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not a bad call there at all.
Speaker 1: For the Cardinals, Can you start anyone rest a season
Speaker 1: aside from Trey McBride. They'll play next Saturday against the Rams.
Speaker 1: It's been tough sledding, man, Like, realistically, we have Connor
Speaker 1: who's banged up. Now, you already said you didn't really
Speaker 1: like any of these running backs. We saw some Michael
Speaker 1: Carter today, some DJ Dallas You and I of course,
Speaker 1: you know, hopeful for Trey Benson future. But in the interim,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna start MARV four for thirty nine here
Speaker 1: I think we've been done with him for a while,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I've been done with Kyler for a
Speaker 1: while on this roller coaster that is the Kyler Murray experience,
Speaker 1: Like the rushing upside is great, but you just don't
Speaker 1: know when you're gonna get that every single week.
Speaker 4: Right, I think there's there The one bonus for Kyler
Speaker 4: is that there's nobody left. Like he may have to
Speaker 4: do it all himself against the Rams, but they're also
Speaker 4: knocked so as soon as he sprains his pinky, he's
Speaker 4: going to the bench, you know what I mean. So yeah,
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I there are no Cardinals that I'm gonna
Speaker 4: want to start that aren't named Trey McBride. Next week, Okay,
Speaker 4: Honor is healthy, if Connor's yeah, if they say, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, precautionaries, fine, sure Connor's okay, But nobody else.
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Speaker 1: late game heroics from Mason Rudolph Christmas almost game early
Speaker 1: there for Tennessee, the Indianapolis Colts hold off the Titans
Speaker 1: to win thirty eight to thirty in Lucas Oil Stadium.
Speaker 1: A Rich passed just eleven times through just seven completions
Speaker 1: for one hundred and thirty one yards a touchdown interception,
Speaker 1: but the run game his legs really helped him get
Speaker 1: going here twenty point two Fantasy points for a Rich
Speaker 1: and of course, after losing. Many managers their matchup last week,
Speaker 1: including myself. John Than Taylor did Johnthan Taylor stuff twenty
Speaker 1: nine rushes, two hundred and eighteen yards, three touchdowns, a
Speaker 1: season high forty point eight Fantasy points. Bogs, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Colts or the Titans? And the
Speaker 1: Titans most of their fans production came from ty J.
Speaker 1: Spears two touchdowns and receptions four scores from Ridley and Nwi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean, I cannot believe the Colts won
Speaker 4: this game. It was when you look at the box
Speaker 4: score and everything, you're like, what happened? It was bad
Speaker 4: turnovers by Mason Early. You know, just that the Titans
Speaker 4: are used to this season. If it's not Will Levis
Speaker 4: getting the turnover, then it's Mason Rudolph. I guess, so
Speaker 4: a couple of terrible turnovers early. We saw JT. Really,
Speaker 4: I mean you saw after you know, the drop before
Speaker 4: crossing the line which cost people championships. I mean, I
Speaker 4: know in my home league there was a guy that
Speaker 4: got stack corrected who wouldn't have had to worry about
Speaker 4: a stack correction if JT just holds onto the ball.
Speaker 4: So you know, he wanted to make up for that,
Speaker 4: and boy did he. But do you know how many
Speaker 4: times a Rich passed the ball in this game? Eleven?
Speaker 2: I know, crazy, eleven.
Speaker 4: This is not sustainable for the future. So I feel
Speaker 4: like I questioned a Rich more than I questioned Bryce
Speaker 4: Young right now. Not in terms of fantasy production because
Speaker 4: a Rich has that the wheels, of course, you know,
Speaker 4: and he had them here and this is what put
Speaker 4: him over twenty points, as you mentioned, but just moving forward,
Speaker 4: like how confident is Shane Styching and the Colts going
Speaker 4: or are they going to be about a Rich in
Speaker 4: his future as a quarterback in this league? So this
Speaker 4: is a team where I would go, ooh, yikes. If
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins is sniffing around, maybe that's not good, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? For a Ridge's future. We'll see.
Speaker 4: But Taylor was huge here, downs got in the end zone,
Speaker 4: so he was nice for you. Pittman another dud with
Speaker 4: a Rich. I think Pittman has a lot to offer,
Speaker 4: but not with Anthony Richardson. And then on the Titans,
Speaker 4: I think the big thing that we saw there was
Speaker 4: more spears. Spears had thirty seven snaps to twenty four
Speaker 4: for Pollard.
Speaker 2: I think Paulard's not healthy.
Speaker 4: I think you're right. And also, this team has said
Speaker 4: from the beginning of the season, we're gonna ride the
Speaker 4: hot hand, and Spears is the hot hand. Lallard's banged up,
Speaker 4: you know right now, and Spears is looking good. So
Speaker 4: I just I would expect next week to see more Spears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you there, I mean coming out too Lane.
Speaker 1: I've always liked Spears. I think he's a talented running back.
Speaker 1: I think he's better in the pass catching role than
Speaker 1: people give him credit for as well. So hopefully you
Speaker 1: can see more that I think as far as Fantasy
Speaker 1: championships going, like, you can roll out Ridley if you
Speaker 1: have to, you can roll out Pollard if you have to,
Speaker 1: And like, is that really it from the Titans and
Speaker 1: the Colts.
Speaker 2: It's really just JT.
Speaker 1: And if you need to start at quarterback Richardson right, Like,
Speaker 1: am I forgetting anybody?
Speaker 4: Chigakonkle has been big two weeks in a row with Mason,
Speaker 4: So Mason Rudolph is still the guy. He is his
Speaker 4: safety blanket right now? Is Chicka Konkle. Yeah, eleven targets
Speaker 4: eight for eighty one in this game and he had
Speaker 4: a big game last week as well. So that's a
Speaker 4: guy that if you're just looking for a tight end
Speaker 4: for Championship Week, maybe you have someone you don't trust,
Speaker 4: or you know you're just giving yourself options for Sunday.
Speaker 4: Chig is not a bad pick up right now?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And perhaps the quickest game of the season,
Speaker 1: let alone the week, the Rams beat the New York
Speaker 1: Jets nineteen to nine in met luck Stam. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw this, Bogs, but this was like
Speaker 1: this game was like a quarter ahead of everyone else
Speaker 1: because they were just running the ball so much. The
Speaker 1: Rams had just one hundred and ten passing yards via
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, but it really didn't matter if you're a
Speaker 1: Karen Williams manager. Twenty three for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: two yards and a score on the ground. Pooka also
Speaker 1: had eight receptions for eighty six fifty six yards. Excuse
Speaker 1: me on nine targets. Cooper Cup though just three for
Speaker 1: twenty three three targets? Is it Joe over for Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup being a startable fantasy asset this season? He has
Speaker 1: scored under six fantasy points in three of four games.
Speaker 4: Bogs I mean they're in the Dome this week against
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, so I don't know if he's completely cooked.
Speaker 4: I mean in terms of trust ability, yeah, it's tough,
Speaker 4: you know, and it depends on who's on your roster
Speaker 4: and everything. So I will say that until he retires,
Speaker 4: I have a hard time counting Cooper Cup okay way out.
Speaker 4: So maybe I'm just being a Cooper Cup apologist here
Speaker 4: a little bit. And also I'm not rostering him in
Speaker 4: too many spots, so he hasn't cost me personally. So
Speaker 4: maybe I'm looking at this with Rhodes colored glasses and everything.
Speaker 4: But I like Stafford at home. I don't you know.
Speaker 4: I liked him in this matchup and he didn't come
Speaker 4: through for me. But yeah, I think this was a
Speaker 4: weird cold game. We also saw Quinna Williams out for
Speaker 4: the Jets. The Rams new they were going to be
Speaker 4: able to run the ball at that point, so that's
Speaker 4: what they did, and that's what you know. It's kind
Speaker 4: of all they have in New York as well. Bresall
Speaker 4: looked healthy. He looked much much better, So we love
Speaker 4: to see that. Isaiah Davis and Braylen Al are back
Speaker 4: to not mattering. Because it was all Breesaw was of
Speaker 4: fifty two or excuse me of how many snaps it
Speaker 4: was sixty nine. He had fifty three snaps, Alan had ten,
Speaker 4: Davis had ten. So it's back to wheels up for Breesaw.
Speaker 4: I looked good. Davante and Garrett are both startle as
Speaker 4: well as long as a rod is the QB. So
Speaker 4: it's kind of satus quo here. I Cup is the
Speaker 4: big question, right because Nikua gave you floor this week
Speaker 4: because not what you wanted, it's what you got. It's
Speaker 4: kind of the low end that you expect. But Cup
Speaker 4: eating donuts is not great. I just assume that they're
Speaker 4: going to be able to pass the ball a little
Speaker 4: bit better at home.
Speaker 2: Would you rather start Adam Feelin or Cooper Cup? Next week?
Speaker 2: Feeling's playing Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4: Mmm. God, I could not believe we're at this point.
Speaker 4: I think I still have to say Cup, but Delon's better,
Speaker 4: so I can understand.
Speaker 2: What about Ridley.
Speaker 1: Ridley's going to be against Jacksonville in that poor secondary.
Speaker 4: Ridley over everybody there.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, good to know kind of where you are.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what the expert consensus rankers as
Speaker 1: a whole think this week.
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll have Delan in there for Okay, okay, they're
Speaker 4: not too forgiving when you put up two duds in
Speaker 4: the playoffs for a guy like Cup.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, Recncy bias is real in the East and
Speaker 1: it should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be. What would you do for me lately?
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead.
Speaker 1: Let's round out the early afternoon slate where jayde and
Speaker 1: Daniels might have just sealed the Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: award with five total touchdowns, including a game winner against
Speaker 1: the Eagles, giving the Commanders a thirty six thirty three
Speaker 1: victory thirty four point four fantasy points for the LSU
Speaker 1: Tiger product. Terry McLaurin got in on the action five
Speaker 1: for sixty and one score on six targets. But Brian Robinson,
Speaker 1: as we pointed out in the chat earlier tonight, bogs
Speaker 1: he really cost a lot of people with his worst
Speaker 1: game this season. Ten for twenty four, two for seventeen
Speaker 1: through the air, but two fumbles two point one fantasy points.
Speaker 1: How much do you trust the Commander's assets next week?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean they're at home. You know they were at home.
Speaker 4: Here too. I don't know, man like it should be
Speaker 4: a better matchup. Philly is hard. Philly is a hard
Speaker 4: team to play, and even you know, they came away
Speaker 4: with a win here, and I know Jade Daniels went
Speaker 4: crazy against his defense and everything. They were obviously not
Speaker 4: one hundred percent on you know, on offense with Kenny
Speaker 4: Pickett in there. So yeah, b Robin's gonna be a
Speaker 4: tough start after this dud, and you kind of have
Speaker 4: to wonder, like, does Washington pull them a little bit more,
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe spread the love at I don't
Speaker 4: think they're gonna you know, he's not getting benched obviously,
Speaker 4: but two fumbles that's bad news.
Speaker 1: Well he saw some Chris Rodriguez and some Jerry McNichols
Speaker 1: as well in this match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, I think b Rob's gonna
Speaker 4: be okay. But I'm Jade and Daniels, we're starting, we're
Speaker 4: starting to mac you know, we're starting the usual suspects
Speaker 4: for Washington. B Rob costing us really sucks. But if
Speaker 4: you're if you still made it, and next week it's
Speaker 4: against Atlanta, it's a decent matchup, So I don't I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna hate b Rob after one terrible performance. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it might cost me. I had I put Sam
Speaker 4: Donald in over Jade Daniels, and I had Rob in
Speaker 4: my lineup as well. So I got the bad side
Speaker 4: of this entire game. I should be more bitter than
Speaker 4: a lot of people. But I know b Rob's still
Speaker 4: really good running back.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Uh we got dreads in the chat saying sorry, Bognan,
Speaker 1: if you wanted some more time off, I asked for
Speaker 1: more Bogs in the podcast survey.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, man appreciating that. Thanks for filling out that survey, brother,
Speaker 2: we appreciate that. The only thing I want to touch
Speaker 2: on the Eagles here.
Speaker 1: We already kind of talked about what life would be
Speaker 1: like next week under Kenny two gloves, No Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: But it was the usual suspects in this one, right,
Speaker 1: AJB goes off.
Speaker 2: Smith was serviceable.
Speaker 1: Saquon twenty nine for one fifty and two. My question, though,
Speaker 1: is about twenty twenty five. Is Saquon Barkley the consensus
Speaker 1: one oh one next season going into his age twenty
Speaker 1: eight season, Bogs.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how he couldn't be. He's
Speaker 4: about to break the all time rushing record is at Hey,
Speaker 4: like he's on pace to beat Eric Dickerson. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean he has been incredible. It's like him and
Speaker 4: Chase probably downs as well. Yeah, I mean it's gonna
Speaker 4: be Saquon and Chase and Jeffersoner probably gonna be the
Speaker 4: top three because CMC love is dead.
Speaker 2: So you know, the glory days, the glory days.
Speaker 1: We miss you, we'll miss you, but uh, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We appreciate everything CFC did for us in the past.
Speaker 1: And hey, maybe it'll be a good value next year.
Speaker 4: You never know, Yeah, yeah, it could be.
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Speaker 1: it moving into the late afternoon slate. The Vikings pull
Speaker 1: one out twenty seven to twenty four against the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2: This was a really fun game, man, This was super fun.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold kind of struggled early, but we'll put it
Speaker 1: together for three touchdowns coming by way over our guy
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson of course, ten for one, forty four and two.
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison didn't leave you hanging either, he found payder
Speaker 1: on five for thirty five. What you think of the
Speaker 1: Vikings here, man, Like, obviously you didn't get what you
Speaker 1: wanted to start Donald over Daniels.
Speaker 4: But still good, chilling, still great. And I also I
Speaker 4: have the stack in that league. I got Jefferson. Oh
Speaker 4: and I have Addison as well, So yeah, I'm in
Speaker 4: a good position now. My league mate are our guy
Speaker 4: Jesse Severe. He's he has Baker, so I'm looking for
Speaker 4: Baker to have a bad game. He also has Josh
Speaker 4: Shacops tomorrow. So we're up big, but definitely not in
Speaker 4: a safe space right here. So we'll see what happens
Speaker 4: in that one. But yeah, I mean this offense click,
Speaker 4: They look good. Aaron Jones looked great, Jefferson got his,
Speaker 4: Addison got his. The only one that would really disappointed
Speaker 4: for the Vikings was Hawkinson. Yeah, so the rest of
Speaker 4: their offense looked good. It was nice to see Gino
Speaker 4: out there with the knee injury looking good. Did look
Speaker 4: a little gampy at the end. He took a hit.
Speaker 4: We'll see if that was anything more than a bumper, Bruce.
Speaker 4: But talk about a team that abandoned the run. In
Speaker 4: forty three passes for Seattle, ken Walker had eight rushes.
Speaker 4: Sharpenney had won. Yeah, he had just as many as
Speaker 4: Julie Love Gino and JSN. Kenny McIntosh had more than him.
Speaker 4: We were bailed out ken Walker. People were bailed out
Speaker 4: by eight catches. If you have him in a PPR.
Speaker 4: That was nice. JSN got a touchdown, metcalf zombie Metcalfe
Speaker 4: gets a touchdown. Now that it probably does not matter
Speaker 4: at all. So not like lots of nice offense in
Speaker 4: this game. A couple pieces were down, but pretty good here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Seahawks they are playing Thursday at Chicago. We
Speaker 1: eluded that weather could be a factor in that game
Speaker 1: where we're ranking guys like JSN and DK, But I
Speaker 1: mean JSN has been a smash all season long, eight
Speaker 1: for ninety five and one, and then DK did find
Speaker 1: the end zone. So I guess my question is more
Speaker 1: about DK. Where do you think you're going to have
Speaker 1: him against this this bear secondary that just let everyone
Speaker 1: go loose for the Lions this past week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they didn't look good. So you know,
Speaker 4: as long as we're wheels up with Gino on short rest,
Speaker 4: then I'm gonna be fine. Okay, throwing DK out there now,
Speaker 4: you know, I will say there's a little bit of
Speaker 4: a shine off DK. I'm not going to just forgive
Speaker 4: him and say everything's gone with one score here. So
Speaker 4: there's a little leeriness there, but I mean, this is
Speaker 4: a pretty good matchup and they throw them a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, love to hear that.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and keep it moving here with the
Speaker 1: Bills winning in Orchard Park twenty four to twenty one
Speaker 1: over the New England Patriots. Drake May came out firing
Speaker 1: in this one, finishes twenty two of thirty six two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards, two touchdowns and an interception. Ramandre
Speaker 1: got going late, found the end zone eventually, but we
Speaker 1: did see a lot of Gibbey in this one as well.
Speaker 1: Ten rushes twenty eight yards for Antonio Gibson. Kayshan Boody
Speaker 1: continues to be a guy who's leaning this team in
Speaker 1: snaps and targets at that wide receiver position five for
Speaker 1: ninety five and one. I don't really have any notes
Speaker 1: on the Patriots bogs, like I think, if if you
Speaker 1: want to be stashing booty in a dicey league, that's fine,
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I'm not really interested in playing
Speaker 1: any of these New England weapons at all unless you
Speaker 1: need someone like a spot start for Romandre running back
Speaker 1: and I have been rolling out Drake May and in
Speaker 1: quite a few one quarterback leagues. I'll continue to do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they play New England plays who next week.
Speaker 4: I just forgot. I'm not looking at that.
Speaker 2: Sh Yeah, New England is playing next week. They're playing
Speaker 2: the Chargers.
Speaker 4: The Chargers in New England. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: not the Chargers have been not great on defense recently,
Speaker 4: so that's a little better than we would have said
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. But yeah, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 4: I definitely did not have Drake May putting up more
Speaker 4: points to Josh Allen in semi final week. But Josh
Speaker 4: Allen just didn't look great. Yeah, Stevenson's okay, butte gets targets.
Speaker 4: But I think it's just too inconsistent for me to
Speaker 4: really say that I want to start anyone for New England.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the Bills here?
Speaker 1: Josh Allen kind of a little bit of a down
Speaker 1: game for him compared to what he's been doing lately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't put up fifty yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But still, you know, like the Bills get the win here,
Speaker 1: they did enough to win. James Cook kind of went
Speaker 1: but bananas eleven for one hundred and one on the ground,
Speaker 1: popped a big forty six yard run in this game.
Speaker 1: Also found the end zone through the air three for
Speaker 1: twenty six in a score. But I mean, dude, the
Speaker 1: pass catching options we're not good in this one. That
Speaker 1: New England secondary. Yeah they got Christian goan Zalez out there,
Speaker 1: but really not one that we're scared to run from.
Speaker 1: We've been off Lamari Cooper for a while here. Even
Speaker 1: his big fourteen target game a few weeks ago I
Speaker 1: wasn't buying into.
Speaker 2: But Khalio Sekurra did disappoint me.
Speaker 1: Boggs, I have to say that two for twenty two
Speaker 1: his worst performance of the year. I've been seeing people
Speaker 1: in the Fantasy pros YouTube chat really upset what Secure did.
Speaker 2: But six targets still, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean six targets. Just you know, Josh Allen didn't
Speaker 4: have a good day to day twenty two thirty six
Speaker 4: miss fourteen passes through a pick. You know that's I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm reading off. I was reading off. Drake May sixteen
Speaker 4: or twenty nine is thirteen passes through.
Speaker 2: He also pretty close, pretty close, yeah.
Speaker 4: Pretty close. He fumbled, didn't lose it, So just not
Speaker 4: a great game. Probly that was Cook the fumble, not Allen,
Speaker 4: but six for thirty not our normal rushing total for
Speaker 4: Josh Allen either, So just not great all the way
Speaker 4: around for Josh Allen. This is a blip. What are
Speaker 4: you gonna do? I mean, are you You're gonna not
Speaker 4: start Josh Allen? Who do you have? You better have Lamar,
Speaker 4: you know, you better have Joe Burrow, You better have
Speaker 4: somebody way way up there if you're not going to
Speaker 4: be starting Josh Allen. So yeah, I will take this
Speaker 4: with a grain of salt. I think he's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: Are you rolling out Shaki next week against the Jets?
Speaker 2: To me, it's like him.
Speaker 1: Obviously you're starting Cook Cook some no brainer starter along
Speaker 1: with Allan, But looking at the pass catchers, it's Kincaid
Speaker 1: if you need a tight end, and I think Shakura
Speaker 1: I'm willing to give him another look against the Jets.
Speaker 4: I am too. Yeah, I don't think that this is
Speaker 4: what we're gonna stand in a normal baby.
Speaker 2: He almost had a touchdown. He almost have a touchdown.
Speaker 4: It's not what we have seen from Shaki either. Look
Speaker 4: at his game logs. It wasn't great last week, but
Speaker 4: he scored the touchdown we p before that, one hundred
Speaker 4: and six in a touchdown. He does have duds, He's
Speaker 4: not like a no doubt right four for thirty before that,
Speaker 4: but eight for seventy, six for fifty eight, six for
Speaker 4: fifty nine for one oh seven. Yeah, he usually offers
Speaker 4: you much better floor than you saw. This was his
Speaker 4: worst game since October fourteenth, but that game was against
Speaker 4: the Chants, so uh, we'll have to see you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: come to us for questions. We'll give you some answers
Speaker 4: here before these games kick off this weekend, so let
Speaker 4: us know who your other options are. But I think
Speaker 4: in a lot of scenarios, you're still gonna be rolling
Speaker 4: out Shakir.
Speaker 1: Two more games here, starting with the Raiders in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas getting the win over the Jaguars nineteen to fourteen.
Speaker 2: I don't know how Shador.
Speaker 1: Sanders and company are gonna feel about this one now
Speaker 1: the Giants have controlled that first overall pick. But staying
Speaker 1: with the Raiders, we didn't see any Sincere McCormick in
Speaker 1: this one. He was banged up after winning that starting job.
Speaker 1: We saw Abdola come through for people. He found Paydir
Speaker 1: also five for forty seven in the air, Alexander Madison
Speaker 1: twelve for twenty seven and a touchdown as well, But
Speaker 1: really it's it's Brock Bowers to me and and nothing
Speaker 1: else on this team. Like if you want to flirt
Speaker 1: around with Jacoby Myers, you can two for forty one.
Speaker 1: It was great to see eight and O'Connell up in
Speaker 1: this game after we thought he might be gone for
Speaker 1: the season. But I still don't know if I'm really
Speaker 1: trusting Myers or any of these running back stress of season.
Speaker 1: It's really Bowers for me, And do you have more
Speaker 1: confidence than Myers?
Speaker 4: Maybe a little bit more than what you're giving me,
Speaker 4: but not a ton. I mean, he did have five
Speaker 4: targets but only go two for forty one, and O'Connell
Speaker 4: just hasn't been good.
Speaker 2: I just feel like you have better options if you're
Speaker 2: in your championship, right you should.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, let's do Myers vs. Shakir. You're definitely
Speaker 4: going Shaig rreck here all day, not close, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: So I think in most scenarios you're not starting Myers.
Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think it's pretty much dude
Speaker 4: for the Raiders Rocks, that's.
Speaker 2: Nine dude, this kid is a thirteen targets.
Speaker 4: He is the only guy that O'Connell looks for, Like
Speaker 4: that's his first rate on almost every play. You can
Speaker 4: see it because these tear guys down, So yeah, you
Speaker 4: can see a lot. I think I would still expect
Speaker 4: a decent amount from ROWK Bowers as well. I don't
Speaker 4: want to start other Raiders, even in good matchups.
Speaker 2: So now, yeah, I'm for the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the same deal, right, It's like start
Speaker 1: the rookie. Brian Thomas Junior again goes bananas nine for
Speaker 1: one thirty one and one got loose on that sixty
Speaker 1: yard touchdown. I mean no one was within yards of him.
Speaker 1: Thirteen targets. I don't really trust anyone else. So like
Speaker 1: Brenton Strange had a great deput in his starting debut
Speaker 1: after Evan Ingram got hurt recently, but two for twenty
Speaker 1: two today, Parker Washington was around six for fifty four.
Speaker 4: But and I old luck diagnosing this run game from
Speaker 4: the Jaguars. Last week it's Bigsby. This week's or last
Speaker 4: week it's ETN. This week it's Bigsby. Who knows flip
Speaker 4: a coin? I mean good god, it's every other week
Speaker 4: for these guys. It's super annoying. I can't stand it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it is Brian Thomas. You know, Brent Strange
Speaker 4: fumbled after his enormous game last week. I'm sure people
Speaker 4: picked him up. Four targets, two catches for twenty two
Speaker 4: and a fumble, so just just brutal. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean the Jaguars, you just is Brian Thomas and nobody.
Speaker 4: Yeah that these teams. This is what we're boiling down
Speaker 4: to at the very end. I mean, if you're super desperate,
Speaker 4: I guess maybe Parker Washington could be interesting or one
Speaker 4: of the running backs. But like I said, it's you know,
Speaker 4: you're playing Jenga and it's all everything is all on
Speaker 4: one stick, you know what I mean. So if you
Speaker 4: can pick the right one, good for you. But I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna mess with it.
Speaker 1: I think you might have more luck going to your
Speaker 1: local casino and racetrack and betting ostriches. Honestly, if you
Speaker 1: really want to get crazy with it, then trying to
Speaker 1: pick whether you start tank or eat each week, Like
Speaker 1: it's kind of where we're at right now.
Speaker 4: You know where they're racing, they're racing ostriches in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Oh they do, yeah, right at the road in Harrisburg here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of times a year. My friend, you can
Speaker 1: bet I'm there. I got a couple of tickets on
Speaker 1: that occasion.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's weirder stuff. I mean, they have like
Speaker 4: fish races and stuff.
Speaker 2: Here in Kaxas.
Speaker 4: But oh, okay, yeah, there's the ostriches. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know that. That's pretty funny. Go to like the
Speaker 4: ostrich races.
Speaker 2: Go to bettingpros dot com slash Ostrich Racing people on.
Speaker 4: The there's not people on they just race.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, just the ostriches.
Speaker 4: I was like, do they have shockeys?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, wouldn't that.
Speaker 1: Be a career move Ostrich Shoki, I might have to
Speaker 1: enter that career field after after.
Speaker 4: You just trying to get onto horses as bad as
Speaker 4: you can, but you have to stick with ostriches. We're
Speaker 4: making up a whole sport here. That's how that's how
Speaker 4: it's been. That's that's what happens at the end of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 1: So last not on this game that I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about. If we were redrafting Dynasty rookies, where's
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Juniors among the rookie wide receivers. Is he
Speaker 1: still behind the likes of Marvin Harrison Junior and Elak Neighbors?
Speaker 1: For you, given that he's been a wide receiver one
Speaker 1: as a rookie.
Speaker 4: Dode Welsh and I had this big debate the other
Speaker 4: day and I stuck up for Roma, dounsay, and then
Speaker 4: he drops a touchdown and fumbles. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 4: that Brian Thomas is number two behind Elak Neighbors. A
Speaker 4: lot of people are gonna put Thomas just up at
Speaker 4: number one. He had the best of year and that's fine.
Speaker 4: I think he is in that group. I also think
Speaker 4: that there's a lot of meat left on the bone. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for everybody here, for Harrison and for Rodnza, I think
Speaker 4: there's a lot left for them to prove. So, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean he's definitely has entered that group, at least
Speaker 4: at the very least, even if you're disrespecting him, that
Speaker 4: is where he goes.
Speaker 1: We got Dreads in the chat saying we have pig
Speaker 1: races here at the country slash state fairs.
Speaker 4: Oh, I say, Drendas, I bet I bet she's are
Speaker 4: are you running those Big Races. Are you in charge?
Speaker 4: I can see it. That's great. That is great Big races.
Speaker 4: Is that is that the thing they do where like
Speaker 4: the people are staring down and there or is that
Speaker 4: like a pig walk? Like have you seen that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No, oh man, I have to send it to you.
Speaker 4: I think you've seen it. I'm probably just not explaining.
Speaker 4: It's the one where you know it's like the girl
Speaker 4: and the kid they're like staring like they're not allowed
Speaker 4: to look like something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's very strange.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm completely off the rails here.
Speaker 2: So hey, that's all right. We're week seventeen.
Speaker 1: We're rolling right around the eight forty three hour here,
Speaker 1: so totally understand. I'll get you out of here on
Speaker 1: this one, Bogs. It is the dolphins who dismantled the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers twenty nine to seventeen in South Beach.
Speaker 1: Tua just looked okay in this one, twenty two of
Speaker 1: thirty four turn fifteen yards and a score. Of course,
Speaker 1: new Jalen Wattle active Tyreek Hill saved you with a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Mike Goodness. John U.
Speaker 1: Smith continues to get done six for sixty two. Devon
Speaker 1: a Chan six for seventy, seventeen for one to twenty one.
Speaker 1: That fifty yard score that put me so close to
Speaker 1: winning in the Diasty League.
Speaker 2: What do you like about Miami here?
Speaker 4: I mean, a Chan looks like he's everything right now,
Speaker 4: because we know Tyreek is not an out of percent. Obviously,
Speaker 4: Waddle banged up as well, so Tua not his greatest game,
Speaker 4: tough pass rush against the Niners, but e Chan looks
Speaker 4: like he is absolutely everything. Another good game from John
Speaker 4: Hu as well. I mean, really, Tyreek bailed us out
Speaker 4: if you started him with the touchdown, right yep. So yeah,
Speaker 4: eight Chan is the offense right now and he's getting
Speaker 4: his CMC on with one hundred and twenty yards rushing
Speaker 4: and six for seventy through the air, and a couple
Speaker 4: of those were wide receivers plays like we saw Tyrone
Speaker 4: Tracy do the toe tap in the back. We saw
Speaker 4: a Chant go up and get a couple of them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, he looked great.
Speaker 1: Do you trust him next week? In Cleveland Along the
Speaker 1: shores of Lake e I have a lot of friends
Speaker 1: that live up in that area, especially on the Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: side of Lake Erie. They've been decimated by weather all.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys had two feet of snow Thanksgiving morning.
Speaker 1: It's been bad up there. If the weather gets bad.
Speaker 1: Can you trust to a Can you trust a Chan?
Speaker 1: Can you trust Tyreek and JOHNU?
Speaker 4: I think you could trust a Chan. You can't trust
Speaker 4: anything else because everything else goes through Tua, and we've
Speaker 4: seen Tua played poorly in the cold. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: think a Chan is fine. But if it is like
Speaker 4: Lake Effects snow and gonna be unbelievably cold, then yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm probably looking somewhere else. If there's gonna be minimal
Speaker 4: weather factors, there's gonna be a sunny day and just cold,
Speaker 4: They're fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about San Francisco moving forward? Obviously,
Speaker 1: I feel like their offense just is not the same
Speaker 1: when they don't have a formidable running back, even someone
Speaker 1: like Gorendo or or or Jordan Mason out there as well.
Speaker 1: Because just eighty one rushing yards on the on the
Speaker 1: day to Day Debo twenty five on Brock Party of
Speaker 1: twenty six, Patrick Taylor complete dud for you, just one
Speaker 1: reception and just twenty four yards on the ground. Kittle
Speaker 1: continues to doing Kittle things all season long eight for
Speaker 1: one oh six and Jennings four.
Speaker 2: For fifty one.
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of disappointed with that based on
Speaker 1: what we saw from Jennings earlier this season. But Deebo
Speaker 1: finally had a good game seven for ninety six and
Speaker 1: one twenty five yards on the ground. You and I
Speaker 1: were saying to landmine Debo a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I mean, he could have won somebody some stuff too,
Speaker 4: but I mean, I don't trust one game Debo. Deebo
Speaker 4: is the type of frustrating player that can do this,
Speaker 4: and he did. So it's you know, we definitely were
Speaker 4: wrong in saying to get rid of him last week,
Speaker 4: but I mean, come on, he's been miserable. Yeah, up
Speaker 4: until this point, it was you know, nineteen total yards
Speaker 4: last week. It was thirty six the week before that.
Speaker 4: It was twenty the week before that, it was twenty
Speaker 4: one the week before that, it was twenty one the
Speaker 4: week before that. You have to go all the way
Speaker 4: back to November tenth, the last time he was over
Speaker 4: fifty yards. So you know, I mean it had been
Speaker 4: miserable for Debo. So you know, to see him going
Speaker 4: well is nice to see, but to call it trustable,
Speaker 4: I think is insanity. So with what he's done this year,
Speaker 4: he's a good player, but he just has not been
Speaker 4: putting it together at all. So yeah, I mean I
Speaker 4: think the process was good, the result was bad. Sure,
Speaker 4: so we you just take it on the chin and
Speaker 4: I do like I thought. Patrick Taylor, I asked, my buddy,
Speaker 4: asked me before you know, he's also in the home
Speaker 4: league and this one might cost it cost him. He said,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna blame you. Who would you start between
Speaker 4: Patrick Taylor and Remadre And I said, I would start Taylor.
Speaker 4: They're down to nobody else. I think they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 4: at least be in this game. And I think he's
Speaker 4: gonna get a decent amount of carries like Grendo has,
Speaker 4: like Mason has, and it just did not happen. So yeah,
Speaker 4: the health of the Niners offense is definitely concer learning
Speaker 4: right now. You throw up forty times. I mean, a
Speaker 4: nice game for Party with three hundred and thirteen yards
Speaker 4: Kiddle and Deebo. But who was starting Debo? Not many people,
Speaker 4: ye know.
Speaker 2: So can you start them? Next week?
Speaker 1: It's against Detroit at San Francisco Monday night football to
Speaker 1: close your fancy football championships. Obviously, Kittle is a lineup lock.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm interested in Purty despite the matchup,
Speaker 1: just because the offense is a bit nerved.
Speaker 2: Here are you rolling Party? Are you rolling Debo? Juwan
Speaker 2: or the running back any of those four options.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely not starting Taylor, not after this, No, not
Speaker 4: after seeing how they just completely abandon the run game,
Speaker 4: like they obviously don't trust him, So I don't think
Speaker 4: he is a start. I mean Kittle is. Yes, Deebo
Speaker 4: maybe you know, like, let me ask you this, would
Speaker 4: you rather go with Debo or Shakir? I think, well,
Speaker 4: the way we saw Deebo, in the fact that they
Speaker 4: don't trust Taylor, I think I would go with Deebo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would just just guarantee touches. I
Speaker 2: think I would go with Debo.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel great, Like I still he's feelings
Speaker 1: wide three.
Speaker 2: I still think he's a wide receiver. Three.
Speaker 4: You need a pepto bismo pill or something if you're
Speaker 4: gonna start Debo. But I think it is something that
Speaker 4: you can consider that I'm a little stronger, right if
Speaker 4: you need a gummy lord. Yeah, It's been been a
Speaker 4: rollercoaster for Debo. I'm not super excited after one big week,
Speaker 4: but yeah, he is gonna get more looks. If you know,
Speaker 4: Grenda's down again and we're just going with Taylor moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well that's gonna do it for us
Speaker 1: tonight on the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football podcast. Unless something changes.
Speaker 1: This is, like me likely my last appearance on the
Speaker 1: podcast this season. I just wanted to say thank you
Speaker 1: so much to the Fancy Pros community for accepting me
Speaker 1: and all the kind feedback I've received so far this season. Also,
Speaker 1: thank you to my great colleagues like Bogs, Deepak Welsh,
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