WEBVTT - Ryan Toby 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:06.120 R and B Money. Honey, we are. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:14.360 Thank you. Take volatility. We are the authority on all 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.120 things R and B. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.680 Ladies and gentlemen. This is the R and B Money Podcast, 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:24.840 the authority on all. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.720 Things R and B. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.320 Yeah, smile. Oh you know, today's a good day. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:35.159 We get to speak with the man of the cloth, uh, 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:42.279 the man of prestige. Yeah, a man of many uh, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:49.680 curated gifts, man who knows his ship for real for us, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.600 it's been doing it for quite some time. As a 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:59.040 small niggling. He was doing this ship on the high level. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.800 You're see what I'm saying, high notes. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.440 Yeah, huh. 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.080 It's been happy days, oh happy oh, happy days. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:20.800 Huh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah man, yeah, man, you 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:21.200 did that. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:22.280 Yeah. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.880 But I'm just the guys here, man, guys here, bless 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:26.440 you right now. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.360 Heavily requested, heavily heavily requested. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:31.800 Bro, I don't know if you know this. 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.400 Yeah, what the streets wanted to see you on here. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:36.520 I appreciate it. Thank you. 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:43.680 We're still dancing in the streets celebrating. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.640 Yeah to your tunes. Appreciate it. Oh yeah, for sure, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.400 appreciate that. Man. I don't know how that feels to you. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.520 You know what I'm saying, I don't know how, you know, humbling, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.640 very very humbling, very surreal. I'll be just in my 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.680 own little world and then I won't be on the 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.480 Grand for a couple of das whatever, and then I'll 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.880 check the Grand brand. You know you viral right now, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.280 some whole something challenge, Superstar challenge, Oh, happy Day challenge. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.600 You know, somebody be talking about City High. I'm like, God, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.000 I've been in game thirty years. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.480 Yeah, so it's it's wow, it's very it's. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.720 An honor to be like, wow, are you I'm forty six? 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.240 You forty six? Yeah, I'm going to be forty seven 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.200 this year. You're a year older. I'm a year older. Yeah, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:30.040 I'll be forty seven this year with November twenty sixth okay, Thanksgiving, 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.280 baby sad. She was almost a cap It's almost almost 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:42.200 the lord almost soft want that he had a choice, right, well, 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.480 I mean the word says, you know, before I formed 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.720 you in your mother's womb, he knew me. So we 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.519 had a conversation and now don't don't send me into 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:50.320 that capricorn. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.880 He knew you, he knew he was like, yeah, it's 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.760 thankful for me. He was like, they full over there 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:02.680 are not. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.400 Oh my god, the reason are clearly excluded. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:16.080 We are fine, we are good people, we are great, But. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.560 You have to have like I was reading stuff like 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.079 on this on this humble word, I was reading stuff 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.760 on it just you know, just going down the rabbit 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.079 hole and the word humble and humility, humility and. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:28.640 All these things. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.519 But at times you have to feel like or I 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.280 would like for you to feel like, yeah, I did that, 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.840 I did I mean not even I did I do that? 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.200 Yeah, yeah sometimes sometimes. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:48.320 And it's okay to feel like that because when I 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.960 hear it and I see you, I tell you you 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.160 do that, you did that? 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.520 But do you know when do you know when to like, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.280 obviously you want to be humble. You was raised like 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.320 you know, but d da da dad. But then it's 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.560 like and we're in a business where it's like if 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:04.840 you don't talk your. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.960 Talk, it's almost like they forget it. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.520 Someone else will take credit for yeah you know what 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.040 I mean, or somebody maybe not as whatever is you. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.640 They talk and they talk heavy, and then that's getting 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.760 them in all kinds of doors. Like I've always wanted 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.520 to be absolutely transparent. I struggled with that, like when 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.600 do you know? When do you well? And then when 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:26.680 do you know? 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.200 I was having a new conversation with good friend, good 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.000 friend of mine, Big Jason, and he was like, you know, 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.280 he was having a conversation with you know, another one 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.160 of his artist friends it works with, and he's like, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.120 you know, and it was kind of relaying the same 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.600 message to me. It's like when when you guys take 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:50.440 off or layoff, or you know, or are passive aggressive 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:55.600 or whatever in that kind of space, you leave too 0:04:55.720 --> 0:05:07.000 much room for for the lesser two then become the 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:13.400 standard or the louder voice. And I'm not mad at balance, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.200 you know what I mean. I believe that there's room 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.120 for the people who are uberly gifted and the people 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.840 who just have a little gift but go hustle. I 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.039 think there's room for all of that, but we fuck 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:32.719 up the balance when the truly gifted also don't do 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.120 the same hustling and talking. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.159 Absolutely, if you. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.560 Got that ship, you need to speak on it because honestly, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.920 people need to know where exactly to go to get it. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:51.760 This is where the fuck it is, and this is 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.599 how you know where it is. This is what I've done. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.560 We can dial this ship up. Here's the charts. We 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.080 don't have to we don't have to guess anymore. The 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.680 analytic is a real game. Yeah, here's the ship with 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:04.280 my name on it. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:10.880 Call me back, or at least have somebody on your 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.680 team that talk like that, and if maybe then you 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.000 can you you just do the work and then you 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:17.080 got your talker that go on. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.920 Somebody gotta say something that's a fact. Somebody gotta say 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:22.880 something that's a fact. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.520 I mean, because honestly, do we do we know truly 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.760 who Jay Z is if he doesn't have Dame dash. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:34.880 Who he was early Sagittarius m because at that time, 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.040 you know, just that that business. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.080 Energy is real. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.800 Because because Jay was a quiet or is a quiet 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.560 guy from what I've seen. I don't know him, but 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.440 he seems to be a really quiet guy. He needed 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.120 someone boisterous to say. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.919 No, no, no, no no. Ain't nobody fuck with him? Nobody 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:58.920 with him? That question? Yeah, yeah, that's a very real question. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.640 Absolutely absolutely nobody fucking with my man. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:03.520 We're starting right here. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:04.400 Listen. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.719 I've been in the studio with him, I wrote songs 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.040 with him. Yeah, you ain't gonna out singing, yeah, talk 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:11.480 about it, and he got you know what I mean? He 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.600 got He's of the real cough too. I mean his 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.560 collar is right now, it's not popping. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:18.800 Its silky. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:19.800 It is silky. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:21.760 Nobody fucking with my man? 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.360 Why you make making merch with my man's name on 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:29.400 it and he not getting none of the merch? Funk 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:34.000 all that trying to relive the death Gamen said them 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.560 his jackets. Oh you got a whole tour without his 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:42.840 name on it. The crazy I need to talk to 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:43.920 somebody higher. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.239 Up is a legend. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.240 Crazy, he's a llegend, a legend. Bro's y'all had damon? 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:49.160 Very necessary? 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.840 Not yet, Okay, we need it. We gonna get it. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.880 We're gonna get it. We're gonna sit aside half a day. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.720 Y'all gonna get one question off set aside. 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:02.760 It's gonna go. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.600 Right, Toby, since you're here, man, let's let's let's go 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.600 back to the beginning. If you you were a gifted 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:16.600 kid and you were able to tap in early as 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.560 a kid into a very professional space, how did this? 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.240 How did this start for you? Who knew? How did 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:24.680 you get back in Jersey? 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:25.000 Yeah? 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:26.520 You call the new Jerusalem. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.080 That's like New Jersey. Man, that was the time. That 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.800 was the time we can call it New Jerusalem. I 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.079 think the Fujis might have coined that phrase. Mean you 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.360 you know you're part of the huh yeah, yeah, Well 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.640 they're from North Jersey. Jersey is split, it's North Jersey 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.959 and South Jersey. So you kind of got like this 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.520 little you know, North Jersey niggas is New Yorkers pretty 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.640 much South Jersey niggas. We grew up on Philly, but 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.800 we're only about an hour and a half apart. So 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.360 then you have that blending and that mixing. And that's 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.880 what made where I'm from Willingboro, New Jersey, same city 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:04.600 my city is from. Uh Ti tributes from uh yan 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.520 Ye Morris graduated from my high school. Uh Mike Zombie 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.440 who did started from the bottom for me, he's from Woollenboro. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.440 And the list goes on. I really can't like radalize list, right, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.760 and you got this city. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:26.480 Yeah. So so something about that New York Philly mingling, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.400 mixing whatever in this you know what I mean, this 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.559 this this water it just created like I don't know, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.160 you got the hip hop, the street element, the grittiness 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.839 of New York. You got the soulfulness and the all 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:41.360 of that from Philly and then you just get talented 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.280 as motherfuckers, you know what I mean. And a lot 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.600 of athletes and football players. I can't even name all 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.920 the different like athletes that came out of my town. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:52.400 But so yeah, willing Broough, New Jersey, it was. It 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.599 was great growing up there in the in the like 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.839 seventies and the eighties because cats, you you were, like 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.320 I said, you had the rough element, like you could 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.959 get your you know, your block knocked off. But then 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.720 it wasn't like you was dodging gangs to the point 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.120 where you couldn't focus on other things or be free 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.440 enough to play music in church and get nice. Yeah, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.839 but it was there. It was definitely there, But it 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.200 wasn't like it was suffocating, you know what I mean. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.040 Some kids really like are in a war zone. So 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.679 it just was like the perfect balance. Now it's kind 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.599 of is bad, but you know what I mean, But 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.719 back then, it was like just the perfect balance. So 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:39.840 the music aspect was it was like fire, like real fire. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.480 Like my high school wasn't even a performing arts high school, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.680 but you thought it was. We was known for having 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.000 like the baddest girls in like the dopest musicians and 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.559 the greatest athletes. Like so it was where city families 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.679 from the city could move to like this suburbs and 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.280 get like a good house and get a family like that. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.719 You know that that tunity. But now you got this 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.319 city influence and this influx of like the swagger and 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.959 the vibe, you know what I mean. But kids was 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.719 able to steal, like harness their gifts and works on 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.040 work on their craft and stuff like that. And like 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.640 the music program in our high school was just like insane, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:21.440 like our our Black Heritage choir that sang every Black 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.160 History Month, you know what I mean, the black it was. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.240 It was insane. It was insane, like wan ye is 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.120 singing it like you know, this is like green boy. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.680 Motherfucker was leaving school and getting record deals. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:33.760 It was real. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.360 Ty Trippet was like the band director in high school. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:46.200 High school, motherfucking Adam Blackstone, Yeah, Willingborough High School. Adam 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.840 Blackstone who does the Super Bowl now, was like, yeah, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.000 playing bass for the Black court, you know, the little heritage, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:55.839 you know what I mean. Choir kids when I was 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:00.120 in school, that was so that just shows you, like 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.760 just the caliber level. So when you say who knew 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.880 all the teachers and the different people that was like, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.360 you know, taking care of us and grooming us, and 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.240 our mothers and fathers that would buy us instruments and 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.880 let us make little, you know, little makeshift studios in 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.360 the garage because you know, we had garages. So it 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.360 was like a couple of cats had like studios in 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.480 their garage and it's like what the fuck, Like you 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.840 got studio equipment like a little four tracks and little 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.520 you know what I mean, a little real the reels 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.800 and like Niggas was cooking at a young age. It 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.520 was being cultivated. It was really being cultivated. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:35.040 Now. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.640 I don't know if it was if anybody knew anything 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.559 big was gonna come from it, but it was definitely 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.800 something that we were allowed to do. So it was 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.240 an aspiration very early on, you know what I mean. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.480 Like Niggas had studio equipment that was like unheard of us. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.400 Keyboard, Yeah, keyboard, I make my little tracks on them. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.920 Yeah. He was hoping that Nigga had a video game. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:04.120 It was like. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.720 He doing it and nobody had no npcnig. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:13.199 You know what that was. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.199 Yeah, So our parents knew for me, Uh my mother. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.559 My mother could sing, so she would sit you know, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.280 they would call her up to sing solos in church 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.439 and stuff on Sunday. And so she saw that I 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.560 had to give for her brother was a preacher. My uncle, 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.880 Lennard was a preacher. He could sing. So I think 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.079 I got it like from them too, you know, my 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.480 mom and my uncle. And so my mother started making 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.520 me sing solos in church and stuff. 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:40.160 Like that, which I hated. 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.199 I had extreme stage right kind of still do. I 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:44.920 think That's why I like stay in the studio a 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.040 lot and like fell back more and so on the 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.679 pen versus like going super duper hard as an artist, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.680 because I always had this stage fight. It was crazy 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:55.599 like that, you know what I mean, knowing when to 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.240 like when do you be big and let the motherfucker 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.480 have it? But then it's like, you know, long nigga, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:01.640 humble yourself, you know what I mean. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.000 It's like the church helped with that, because that's usually. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.640 Usually when you see you feel like the church is vicious. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:08.840 Man. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.319 But that's what I'm saying because because it's because it is. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.400 It is take your time, they kill your dream real fast. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:16.760 It ain't on you. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.840 Like I was told, like, wait a minute, bro, well 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.680 that was the bar, right, that's how you got good too. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:27.840 But you shaken the whole time. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:29.840 There's no oil. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:31.800 Yeah what was that? 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.760 What was that? Are you moving in your flesh and 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.560 you're like seven, I don't even understand it's vernacular. You're 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.840 talking about moving in my flesh operating under that? Like 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.640 what are you talking about? You haven't even grown my flesh? Yeah, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.520 Like I'm ten years old. I just try not to 0:14:50.560 --> 0:15:00.480 get a whooping, but like, let me about you give 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.120 me like estentral crisis about like my soul and where 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.720 my spirit is operating? 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:10.840 Like lady, I grew up in the church is I 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:11.400 ain't gonna lie. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.640 They ran me out. That's why I got That's why 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.480 I went into like secular music. And I'm like, gosh, 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.040 there's too much pressure pressure. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:25.920 Hold in my flesh? Are you talking about. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:31.680 Confused? 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:33.520 I was confused? So I hated it. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:39.200 Let mesu your question, is there a standout solo moment 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.400 from maybe your mom or your uncle did like you 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.280 can pinpoint to this day that you were like that 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:50.520 that moment like resonated so crazy with me that it 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.720 made me like go home, and start singing and practicing. 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:01.640 Let me see a couple of moments because my so 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.880 like my uncle, his aunt, I mean his aunt, his wife, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:10.240 my auntie. They preacher, preacher, they like, you know, the 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.800 All Night, seven Day Revival oil already. Oh my god, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.200 you got it. It was a lot. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.080 It was a lot, you know what I mean. I 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:20.200 love him, but it was a lot. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.800 You as long as it takes, everything will get prayed 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.160 out as long as so it was a lot of that, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.720 that heavy culture. And so then it would be like 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.800 you're gonna you're gonna preach, you know, I mean, so 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.760 now I gotta preach it. Yeah, you're gonna preach. You're 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.440 gonna stand up here and you're gonna preach the word 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.200 and like, and it would be cool and fun to 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.960 kind of do it in front of family a little 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.200 bit as a little kid. But then they would like 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.520 set up like I'm gonna preach on the like during service, 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.640 and it's like wait, wait, whoa, whoa whoa wait a minute, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.640 Like I didn't I didn't sign up for that. And 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:56.880 then uh so those moments of having to preach something 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.040 about the audience and then they like come on, now, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.880 come on, like you better kill it. The energy is 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.720 like this is best to be encouragement, but it's like 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.560 you better kill it, right, I get exactly And that's 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.159 when I learned very early on like what church was. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.600 It was like, oh, this is a performance. This is 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:19.760 a performance. And that actually made me to your point 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.080 of want to go home and practice, but to not 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.560 want to be good there. I was like, I'd rather 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.920 go do it where Michael Jackson is doing it because 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.000 it just looked more fun and he get to make 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.359 videos and Prince get to do all kind of cool 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.000 ship and the bad bitches on the back of a motorcycle. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.119 I was like, I want to do it there. I 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.520 want to get good, to. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:42.080 Go do it. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.120 You were in your flesh maybe. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.840 Clearly. I just seen him in a little preacher suit 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.280 on the motorcycle with Apolonia on the back because you 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.000 know why, no, no, no, let me let me. I'm 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.600 no listen, Let's stay on Prince for a secon. Let's 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.480 stay on Prince for a second. So imagine, right, this 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.680 is like eighty four the Purple Rain, eighty right, little 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.280 I'm just a jig time come home from church, where 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.080 like the pressure is on because it's pressure to like 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.320 you gotta be holy and don't sin, and the Lord 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.440 is coming back and that was out to kill you 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.200 and just like a lot of that, right, and that's 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.639 cool and you gotta sing now, sing and bring the 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.320 house down. And he's just like I thought, I'm just 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.399 supposed to be singing to the Lord, and it's like, no, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.959 you gotta like move the crowd too, Like wait a minute, now, 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.080 imagine that. Then you come home from church and your neighbor, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.960 one of your best friends' kid, his name is Dario Molina, 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.720 shout out to Poochi. We called him Poochi. He was 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.000 a little older Prince Fan Galore. He had the big 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.720 ass boombox ghetto blaster back in the day with the 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.840 double tape deck right, and he blast in purple rain 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.719 out the window. His window was broke, so he used 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.240 to put the radio in the window to prop up 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.480 the window, and the music be lasting in the neighborhood. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.920 Drove my father crazy. We're coming home from church and 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:09.840 then I'm hearing Darling Nikki and like, you know, computer 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.880 Blue and like Wendy, Yes Lisa is the water warm yet, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.440 yes Lisa, And like you know what I'm saying and 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.520 I'm the band on Earth and I'm like, I'm I'm 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.040 seven years old, Like what the fuck is that? What 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:25.359 it feel? 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:26.240 That feel? 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:32.680 His word record? Like absolutely listen, absolutely the Lord listeny. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.480 I'm asking Poochie, like, Brin's that song, Bambie, what is 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:36.960 that about? 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:37.159 Oh? 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.240 It's about a lesbian? The fuck? What is a lesbian? 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.359 Like a girl? You know, Bambi is much better than 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:46.040 you know, better with a man, babb dude, Like I can't, Like, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.600 I'm like what my mind was blown? Like, you know, 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.600 so I had those You probably had to say two worlds. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.719 It's like you got your foot in this, but then 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.119 it's like, man, you got this whole other sexual nature 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.760 ship boiling up inside of your little by and you don't. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:01.200 Know what the fuck to do. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.120 I just probably I lasted a lot longer than you. Yeah, 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:10.879 like I stayed Yeah, I stayed holy until until a 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:12.359 couple of years out of high school. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.119 Man, already talking about what you was doing in the 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:15.840 church basement. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.520 Man, No, no, I mean you would dabble. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:19.879 Don't know what I'm talking about. 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.160 You would a week. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.120 The flesh is weak, You're gonna have cravings. 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:29.359 But I didn't. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.520 I didn't truly have the You know, I didn't want 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.000 to get out of the world. Yet I didn't. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.520 I didn't have that. I didn't either, but it was 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.720 so I'm speaking from a from a sonic perspective, from 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:47.240 your music the same thing. The music just moved me different. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.040 And so it was like in the church world, it 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.000 was well as a child, the way my brain was 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.000 processing it was like, so in church, I have to 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.879 try to like use this music of the Lord to 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.200 make y'all feel something like and if you ain't anointed, 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.280 if you ain't getting the whole, you know what I mean. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.440 And I was equating that to like, wait, why is 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.360 I don't understand how am I supposed to make y'all feel? 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:11.600 God? 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.919 I didn't understand I was a child. But then when 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.240 I would hear Prince and Michael Jackson and see the 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.240 videos and see the whole spectacle of it all, even 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:22.119 Tina Turning What's Love? Got to dude, I'm like that 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.399 music makes me emotional, made me cry, it made me 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.760 I felt it more. I just felt it more. I 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.280 don't know why you call it flesh, call out, whatever 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.359 you want to call it, but that's what spoke to me. 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.160 So it was like, that's what I want to do. Yeah, 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.480 like that's what I want to do. I don't want 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.240 to do that. For some reason, I don't. I just 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.200 didn't connect to it as much. So I did it 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.360 because I had to, and maybe they had that's where 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.280 the gift came from. But R and B music, I 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.800 don't know that shit called. That shit was like hipnotype 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.920 from a very young age, and they look cool. The 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.919 clothes were cool, the hair was cool. Niggas had perms 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.760 and Jerry curls and could do shit. Michael Jackson was 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.640 magical nigga. The ground would light up when he would 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.640 walk on the ground with Billy Jean, Like I thought 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:23.920 this nigga was magic. A little homie of mine his 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.399 name was a Miror. I remember he rode up on 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.240 me one day on his bike and he was like, yo, man, 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.600 he knew I could sing because people would hear me sing. 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.880 I've been rapping and singing in beatboxing and break dancing 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.240 and shit since I was little. Even when my parents 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.160 was like he ain't listening to that music in my house, 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.639 you know what I mean, I still would do it, 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.280 gravitated towards it. So he was just like you should 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.719 sing for my dad. My dad knows people in New 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:47.919 York and they might they might be able to get 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.400 you in the music industry. And I wasn't even thinking 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:52.320 about no music or nothing like that at that time. 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.040 But I ran it to him and his dad at 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.560 a barbershop and sang for his dad. And I remember 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:02.320 his dad and his dad wasn't at the time. He 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.359 wasn't like no big manager or nothing. He was just 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:08.720 kind of like a you know, ex dope dealer, just 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.240 hustles and hustle man, you know what I mean. 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:13.840 But he had to give the gap he was. 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.280 He was the dame. He was that voice. Yeah, you 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.160 know what I mean. And he yo, man, little nigga, 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.040 no voice like that, you could make a million dollars. 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.440 I'll never forget. He told me that, and I was 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.560 like yeah. He was like yeah, So it's like money girls, 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:30.080 Prince Michael Jackson, shit, you know what I mean. And 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:32.840 Sol Marvin's start he came. He talked to my parents, 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.200 told me we wanted to start working with whatever they like, 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:37.960 whatever keep you, you know what I mean, out of 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:40.760 trouble type of thing. You could do that. So I 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:42.880 just would go to school, come home, do my little 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.040 chores whatever, and could go over Marvin's house and start 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.240 rehearsing and working. So he had me doing little vocal 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.320 lessons and singing Michael Jackson, and like you know what 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.160 I mean, He just started putting me through the whole 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.000 you know, little artist development, artist development. And he never 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:57.800 had no artists before or nothing. He just was a 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.440 hungry just a hungry young nigga. He was only about 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:04.439 twenty five and I was like fourteen, So shout out 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.840 to Marven two. And then he started taking me to Philly, 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.879 taking me the little talent contests and stuff, and I 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.680 started winning, like I was winning like little first prize, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.639 little two hundred fifty dollars still five hundred dollars prize, 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.000 and then it, you know, and then I've seen how 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:21.280 the little girls are screaming, you know what I mean. 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:25.159 So it was like this is it. Then he started 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.600 taking me to New York, taking me to the Apollo. 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.760 I'll start performing at the Apollo. Showtime at the Apollo, 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.600 I was like special guest performance. Like I would go 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.159 on like after amateur night. They would do the Amateur 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:38.560 night and then they'd be like, now we have a 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:39.240 special guest. 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:41.960 Yeah, what I'm saying, you never did the show. 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:44.440 I never did the TV show, but I would go 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.280 like amateur night. Really was like every Wednesday at the 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.359 Apollo Theater, you know what I mean. And then they 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.320 started doing the TV show. But I was like just 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.160 going straight to the Apollo and just performing at the Apollo, 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.119 you know what I mean. And when you know, in 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.080 the little Jerry Carroll lady, she would be there, you 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.159 know what I mean, she in the front row, you know, 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:03.560 and I'm up there. 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.840 Yeah, I was like, yeah, I'm here. 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:16.760 Martin Marvin got me made this uh motherfucking red sequence 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:24.920 jacket sequence red early early. I was early early. 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:25.960 I didn't even understand that. 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:31.240 I'm like sequence Marvin like hit that when the light 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:41.000 spotlight it is, you know what I mean. So, and 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.680 Marvin was a fly. He was fly, you know what 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.480 I mean, always was fly. He knew how to So 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.240 it's like I learned. I learned that swagger from him, 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.200 you know what I mean. And then so I started 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.119 doing that, started performing. He started taking me around and 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.440 we started getting traction, and and I was going to 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.359 New York all the time, going to studio sessions, and 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.320 I really started falling in love with the process of 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:09.679 making songs. You know, walking in the studio and there's nothing, 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:14.720 and then like after a few hours there's something. That 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:19.000 whole concept to me was mind blowing. And Marvin would 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.840 be like, Ryan, you could write like he would hear 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.119 little songs, little raps. I had a little whatever. I 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.520 wasn't writing those stuff in the beginning, but he was like, 0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:31.400 you should focus on your writing. And I didn't even understand. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.040 I don't think so I just got a little song. 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:34.680 He was like, I'm telling you, Ryan, you got a gift. 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.639 You need to folks. You should focus on your writing. 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.719 So he planted that seed to me early, and then 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:41.879 I just fell in love with that process. Man Like, 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:46.359 like I said, people with studio equipment was amazing to me. 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:48.760 All these buttons and knobs and this and that and 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:49.920 what this doing? Compression? 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:50.520 You know what I mean. 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.119 It looked like you in a rocket shit. You know, 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.920 even if it was in somebody's basement or in somebody's bedroom, 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.440 it's still you know. So that was always fired to me. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.680 And we started cutting, you know, started recording little songs 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.639 and ship like that, and then we just kept getting 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.399 more and more traction and Marvin He he was cold 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.120 man because he was the type of nigga he'll run 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.040 down on anybody. He don't give a fuck. We would 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.240 just go to New York and post up outside the 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.359 record labels, wait for people to come outside. 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:15.560 Everybody needs a Marvin Man. 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.920 Run up on him. Hey man. 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:21.240 He talked his fast. 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:23.679 He from Harlem, his whole family from Harlem, and they 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:25.680 was they was big dogs in Harlem. And he comes 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.679 from a long line of like you know, big niggas. 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.960 So even like he you know some of his like 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.960 you know people, They was like funding my little project 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:35.920 and it was it was lit like I was like, 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:43.960 so I fell in love with it real, yeah, what 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.040 it is exactly so that that whole life, you know 0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.120 it just I started to love it. It was keeping 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.600 me out of trouble. My parents was happy, and I 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.640 was learning about myself. The music was sounding fire. Marvels 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.359 like a father to me. His two sons was like 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.240 family to me. His mom was you know, I was 0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.399 with them all the time, you know what I mean. So, 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.800 so yeah, we started recording. He would run down on people, 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.280 get people's numbers, make me sing right, hit the thing right, 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:13.960 you know what I mean, subway whatever, walking down the 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.639 street me in New York, in Manhattan, anywhere, hit it 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:18.960 hit that thing. Mary and I used to hate it 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.600 because it was still triggered at like stage right there. 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.080 But I don't know Marvel's I don't know Marvel's cool. 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:26.960 So he was flying, so it was like I ain't 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.760 want to let him down, so I just would do it. 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.840 It was more fun with him, you know what I mean. 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.480 And my parents was letting me hang with this nag 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:37.920 like he was older, he was cool, he had girls. 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:45.560 Say he had motion. Yeah, yeah, he had motion, you 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:46.080 know what I mean. 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.080 So I was just I was just getting like a 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.720 real good, a good education in that. And then the 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.080 that's when it started getting more professional. That's when it 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.560 was like, all right, I'm different than my friends, Like 0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:00.320 we go to school together, but like nigga, I'm even 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:04.160 at like me and Marvin going to New York after lunch, 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.200 I'm out here. Yeah, so I could leave school early, 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:09.160 and like you know what I mean, teachers was letting 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.920 you know, Marv was signing me out of school, and 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:12.680 we driving up to New York. 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.720 That was the ship or taking the train. 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.200 That was. It was nothing more fun than that. How 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:18.760 long does it take you to get a deal or 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.880 do you get the deal? No, I didn't get a deal. 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.280 I didn't get a deal. We started working with this 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:32.800 this jazz flowertist named Bobby Humphrey, right, She was managing artists. 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.240 She started working with Marvin. They started like co managing me. 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.080 So it was like levels, you know what I mean. 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:43.600 So Marv started making more better connections and then we 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.800 ended up meeting. I did sing with This is a 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:53.520 funny story. One day we had a meeting with Gerald Busby, right, 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.640 So we go to Motown. We had a meeting with 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.440 Jerrold and I think I forget the name of the 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:01.680 guy that was right up under him. 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.160 So we in the meeting Motown or the MC at 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.120 the time, because if the guy that was under him 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:07.960 at that time, would. 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.120 I feel like it was Motown because it wasn't bivten 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.920 with Motown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a funny story. 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.120 We was in this meeting and this is when we 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.120 was going around the different labels. We was going around 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.720 the we met when Max Goo said giant, you know 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:26.120 what I mean. 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.680 Like, so we was going to different labels. That was 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:29.000 our thing. 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.120 We would go to labels. We would get Mark, you know, 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.840 get his get a little meeting situation set up, go 0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.560 in the office, and I would do my thing. But 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.360 we never had no real demo, you know what I mean. 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.960 We never you know, we didn't have no real demo. 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.440 So they'd be like, man, won't you get some songs, 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.040 some real songs recorded on them and come back and then, 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:47.480 you know, because so that way they could play my 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.760 music for their bosses and stuff. Because Marvels just gutted 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.200 with it. Nah, he gonna come in and he just 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:54.360 gonna sing that ship and y'all gonna love it. But 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:56.680 that wasn't it. Never really like us, Yeah, it wasn't 0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.640 the process. But this one particular time, the ain't our guy, 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.960 I forget his name. He was under Jerl Busby. He 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.120 walked out the office. So me and Marv sitting there 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.200 and we sitting there by the sid. He like, fell us, 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.440 I'll be right back, So he leaves. So Marv like, 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:13.320 watch the door. Ryan. 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.640 I was like, what he's like, watch the door? 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.280 So he got me onna look out. Marv goes around 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:23.040 the desk and goes through the niggas rolodex and start 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.040 writing down numbers This is how Cole marv was. He 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.440 going through the rolodecks. Write down the number, write down 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.280 the number right out right down there. Get he gets 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:36.480 Michael Bivens's number, write that ship down. Niggas start hitting 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.520 up Michael Biverins, Yeah, man, what's up? 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:38.719 Mike? 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.120 Yeah, you don't remember I met you at the you 0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.120 remember it was at that party. I forget who party 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:44.719 it was. Remember you told me, man, you could bring 0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:49.640 my artist. Mike Like, what's your name again? 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:53.600 Like mar this is like Michael Vinnins. This is that 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.160 like this Marvin exactly. 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.840 He like this is at the height like. 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:02.240 Big ten ABC. 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:03.560 Sign. 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:08.520 Mind you graduated from he graduated with my brothers. So 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:14.520 like I'm fully aware of like yo, this right. He 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.920 talks Mike Michael Bivens into letting us pull up on 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.960 him at some restaurant in New York. Go to the restaurant. 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.160 He like, man, I don't remember you, man, I mean, 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.160 it don't even matter. Man, this is my artist. Ryan. 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:35.520 He definitely do that to us, for sure, for sure, 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.160 you know what I mean saying for Michael Rivers in 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:42.800 the restaurant. 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:44.600 You know, Mike was he was like he said he 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.040 would have signed me. He was like, but I'm gonna 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:47.800 keep it real with you. He's like, if I sign 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.160 you now, you're not coming out for like another two 0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.000 years because I got, you know, some other people in 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:53.760 the lineup. He was like, when I signed boys Men 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.040 was signed for like two years before he dropped, So 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.440 you know, just little stories like that, like and then 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.240 we was doing all of that for a while, and 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.400 then we landed in the office of Kenny Ortiz, who 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.680 was an R at RCA Records. So Kenny was like 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.520 he was he was fucking with me heavy. But at 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.400 the time he was like, man, I got this this 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.400 young girl group called STBV. I'm working on them, you know, 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.400 and these three little black girls sitting on the couch. 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.160 You know what I mean, How you done? You know 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:25.959 what I'm saying. He's like, yeah, I'm working on their 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.440 project right now, developing these said yeah, you know, he 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.000 was at the time developing these young producers called the Neptunes, 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:34.920 you know what I'm saying. 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.240 And so Kenny, he said, all. 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.960 Right, just how we knew we was we was getting somewhere. 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.560 Kenny was like, you need a professional demo. So he says, 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.640 so I'm gonna sign you to a demo deal. You 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:54.080 remember demo deal. So he signs me to a demo deal, 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.400 twenty five hundred dollars, gave us twenty five hundred dollars. Said, 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.480 I want y'all to go make a demo. Go record 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:05.800 some songs, some professional producers, some professional writers, whatever, whatever, Okay, cool. 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.120 He sends us to Patterson, New Jersey. We go work 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:13.120 with a production crew. I think they were called black 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:18.280 Hand black Hand Productions. We go to the studio. Preachers 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.080 of the said, yeah, we got got our writer coming in. 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.279 He's gonna write you, you know, write the song for you. 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.879 Writer walks in the name something. My name's Joe. Joe 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:34.839 wrote my first demo. Wow, wow, wow, young fresh face, 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.279 young fresh face, and his name is just Joe. Yeah, 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.759 just Joe, yeah right, just young fresh face, cold ass singer. 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.239 He write the joint references it. I go in there. 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.759 I sing. Also learned too that that that game of 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.320 like you know, the song ain't yours, little nigga, you 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.040 know what I mean? I learned that game and learn 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:54.040 that rule real fast too. 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:55.879 You watch something from your demo, go somewhere else. 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.279 I mean that song that Yeah, my demo record was 0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:59.440 on his album that next. 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.880 Oh okay, yeah, because yeah. 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.320 Yeah yeah, And I actually I fell in love with 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.239 that part of the game. I want to do that. 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.719 And I always knew that early too. I was like 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.640 it because because of the stage fright that I carried 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:17.160 when I would meet the Joel's, the Gerald Busby's, the 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.880 you know, the different the Divante's and you know what 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.879 I mean, I was like, I want to be that guy. 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.600 I want to be the guy on the other side 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.520 of the desk. I don't want to be the nervous 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.680 artist that got to sing and make you like me. 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.640 I want to be the nigga that swivel around in 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.239 the chair with you know, with the jewel and what something. 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:37.000 You know. 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:38.319 They like what you're doing. 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:39.920 They all talk like this, you know, I mean yeah, 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:41.640 so you know what I mean, what you got is good. 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:46.120 But like I was like, what is that tune? Executive niggas? 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:47.960 You know, they fresh they got on like the you 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:48.440 know the night. 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:54.759 I hate it. 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:56.359 You know, I love I love what we was doing. 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.000 But it's like, man, you go to these big offices, 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.200 you know what I mean, and I'm just like the 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.360 artists trying to like I was like, fuck, that ship up. 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:09.000 I want to be that guy everywhere you're always auditioning. Yah, yeah, 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.920 you always gotta write. And I was like, so that 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.239 started welling up in me and with Marvin saying you 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:20.160 can be that because you can write, and I was like, yeah, 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.520 you know. And then like you know, even how you 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.840 know the young Joey walking to they just got a 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.640 certain bot to it, like I'm here to make make you, 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:32.120 make you nice. It's like, damn, how do I be 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.719 the guy that makes somebody nice? He's sitting at the 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.399 board forty eight track, you know what I mean, sitting 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.799 at the SSL And it's always about that swivel around 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.160 in that chair when they swivel around. 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.799 Yes, I did. I couldn't wait to. 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.480 Childhood all the time. 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:55.480 I got this. 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:57.040 I swivel. 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.360 Got to say it like you know, that tone of voice. 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:04.680 It was the swivel, It was the way it was 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:08.360 the nonchalant like I do this all day. You know, 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:12.480 you're like the tenth artists that's coming. The manager is 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.880 like begging me to you know, everybody's begging me to 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.000 let some of the magic. Some of the magic. 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:19.359 Guy. 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.040 Yeah, So I wanted to be that. I wanted to 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:23.480 be that you said, I wish I had more time. 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.440 I wish even even the Michael bibbins like, yeah, I 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:28.080 could work with you. 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.400 But it was just like, Yo, these niggas are so 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.279 fucking what the do they have? 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:33.520 Like what is that? 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.200 I want that thing that they got, you know, and 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:38.640 this is in the nineties, so this is like the 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.480 dawn of like the black hocket. This is the Puffy era. 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.600 Now you know what I mean. It's not just stuffy dudes, 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.719 but it's not a young are the Michael Michael because 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:52.719 he was he was the poor He was Puff before Puff, 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:53.680 that's a fact. 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:55.960 Mike Bibb was the guy to fly. 0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:02.560 So so whatever that young black power figure that's from 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.000 my era that looked like me. That's hip hop but 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.560 he's corporate somehow or. 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.960 Executive, but hip hop but young. And you know what 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:12.640 I mean, I was like, I just I want that. 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:13.719 I need that. 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.120 I wanted that more than I wanted the stage, you 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:21.160 know what I mean. So but obviously to get there 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:23.239 with my route, it was like I was going to 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.160 stage route, which was fine. So moving from there after 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.080 Kenny saw me, we did the little demo and then 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.120 Boom a year later, those three little Black Girls had 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.840 the hottest song on the radio. Mind you when we 0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:42.920 after the Michael Bivens meeting, Michael he invited us to 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.959 his birthday party that night. So we go to Michael 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.480 Bivens's birthday party and like all the celebrities, you know, 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.719 everybody there that's you know, the heavy ds and the 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:54.360 Sherry Carters and Donnie Simpson's and boys, the men and 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.000 grand Poobas. What's up shorty? Yeah, I'm fourteen years old? 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.120 Mind you in this club and this party, Marvin, you 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.080 know what I'm saying. A Grandpooba from Brand Nubians. 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:06.480 Is like, so sure, are you having a good time? 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:07.399 Yeah? 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:08.560 Yeah, cool? Okay. 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:09.840 He was like, hey, man, come here, I want you 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:10.400 to meet somebody. 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.279 It's my home girl. Her name Mary. She's a singer too. 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:19.680 Hey how you doing okay, little black girl named Mary. 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:27.600 A year later, like so when I started, I was like, 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:33.160 what is this magical that happens where it's like you 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:37.359 meet somebody, it's just they, And then a year later 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:42.400 it's magic and everybody's young and black and fly and 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:46.880 the music is incredible. So that was when it was like, Okay, 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.640 I'm in it now. This is what we gotta we 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.440 gotta really turn this ship up. And I think it 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.920 was Yeah, Kenny Kenny found out about the auditions for 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.799 Sister that Disney and touched on We're looking for kids 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.840 that singing and dance, and originally they was I was 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:07.480 just auditioning to be in the just so or background shit. 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.239 And I ain't never acted before. I wasn't thinking about 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.160 no movies or nothing like that. I wanted, you know, 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:14.960 Tevin Campbell. I wanted to be Tevin Campbell. That was 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.120 another thing too. Everywhere we went, it's like, ah, man, 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.120 you're really dope, but we just signed this kid named Tevin, 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.600 And oh man, you're really dope, but we just signed 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:25.719 this kid named Jason Weaver. 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.080 So it's like I kept you know what I'm saying, 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:33.120 you know what I mean. 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:38.840 So so I'm watching all these little stars and starlets, 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.600 you know what i mean, pop off and h Kenny 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:45.480 was like, go to this audition. I was like, audition. 0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:47.520 I don't want to be no actor, man, I'm trying 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:50.160 to get a music video, you know, Tevin Campbell. And 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.480 he's like, just go to the audition, try it out. 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.400 You'll see, all right. Cool. I ain't had no agent. 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.080 I wasn't in sag you know what I mean. 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.359 But that's how me and Marvin rolled when had ship. 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.000 We never gave a fuck. It was just like we 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.960 just you know, gorilla with it. So they got me 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.640 on the list and I went in there. All these 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.000 kids in there, you know, little actor kids, and you know, 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.080 ready you know, the whole thing, stretching ballet, and I'm like, 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.920 what the fuck looked like fame somebody, you know what 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:19.160 I mean. 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.719 And now going to the audition. They even told me, 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.160 like Marvel's. 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.759 Like, listen, if if if if, they're real cold and 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:31.759 short with you, you know, kind of like, you know, 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.320 all right, thank you. Next he was like, you know, 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.839 don't don't take that Noway, just just go in there 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:37.520 and do your thing, all right? Cool? So I go 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.880 in there. The lady I'll never forget she she was 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:42.879 sitting at her desk. She had a little tripod set 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:47.640 up with her camera. She never even looked up at me. Name, okay, age, 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:52.640 all right, stand on the X. Okay, you got you 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:55.560 got some line? They had some little generic lines. Read 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:59.880 the lines, Read the lines. Then she uh, okay, you 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.600 you got a song? You're gonna sing? So I sang 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:07.080 uh like I said, I feel like you know, I 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:08.600 feel I say that. I was singing that in in 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.040 Churchill Town, so I sing I feel like going on. 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.320 So that's not just a song from five Part Beats. 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:22.120 No, I grew up in a different kind of. 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:42.200 Cooling on different Edi wrote that. 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:49.759 Man came wrote, shout out to Eddie, shout out to Eddie. 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:54.920 I sang that song. And and the lady she stopped, 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.960 she stopped the camera, she took her classes off. She 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:03.239 started crying in the in the audition, and then she 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:07.799 was like, she said, oh my god, that voice. She said, 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:11.080 I gotta hug that voice. She come around from the 0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.560 desks and the camera, come over to me and hugs 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:18.960 me tight, crying, oh my god, oh my god, that voice, 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:23.279 that voice, Oh my god. And so I'm standing there, 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.120 this lady squeezed me, and I'm like, is this how 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:26.800 auditions go? 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.600 Like oil the oil? 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.280 So yeah, So after that, I think I had about 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:44.279 seven callbacks, seven callbacks, and the last callback was in 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.360 l A. And mind you, when I'm coming to these callbacks, nigga, 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:51.640 I'm seeing that Tevin Campbell's coming in Tatiana, Ali like 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:55.600 all the all the hot motherfucking Tony Thompson from High 0:43:55.760 --> 0:44:01.440 five like the guy. Yeah. So I'm thinking like, oh, 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.440 ain't no way, I'm getting this ship, you know what 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.400 I mean. And then uh, but no, they kept calling 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:09.919 me back, and then it got down to the last 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.399 two kids. Was me and this other kid named Chad 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.800 Shepherd who was actually a good friend of mine. And 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.799 during I never forget, like Bill Duke would be coming 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.320 up with the character in the auditions. 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:24.320 I'd like, do little lines. 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:29.080 Then they'll huddle Bill Duke and the producers and his 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.000 throw Laune hey man say this. So I'm thinking a 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:33.799 shot right where we can come down and we can 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:35.880 do and catch him with the coofy on Like they 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.560 was like developing this character, you know what I mean. 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:43.320 And that was going on every audition, and they underknownst 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.600 to me. They were like creating a role for me. 0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.279 Then it was like, you know, we was really in 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.800 the game, and and uh, City House started toring like 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.200 crazy and singles and nominated for a Grammy and going 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:06.960 you know, around the world and stuff like that, and 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.000 then uh and then you know, we then we kind 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.600 of hit a pocket where it was like it wasn't 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.280 gonna work no more with the group when we started 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:16.719 working on the second album, so I decided to just 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:19.680 fall back on my pen game and me and me 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:21.879 and drean Dal link back up after like a number 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.560 of years or not not really talking, you know what 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.879 I mean. Then we linked back up and the first 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:30.000 song me and Dre did in the studio, the first 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.440 idea was Superstar. 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:37.120 Hmm, I can already tell what's going to say. I 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:37.600 don't like you. 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:45.120 Man, attitude is bad. 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.520 We jumped there though, but did you write the City 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.600 High Records? So you wrote what would you do in Caramel? 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:54.360 Like the big records? 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:54.680 From there? 0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.360 Absolutely? So I was writing all the songs. 0:45:59.040 --> 0:45:59.600 Wow, I was. 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:02.040 Writing the songs, you know. And that was what was 0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:06.040 That was one of the things that was problematic in 0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.320 the group because if you remember how the group started, 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:12.840 he was a solo artist. Rob was a solo artist, 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.399 and then I come in as the as the writer. 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.200 And then now your solo deal is now a group deal, 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.359 which seems cool on paper, but it's like then if 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.400 your group member now is you know, clefting them is 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.320 loving me? I could write raps, I could write this, 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.879 and I'm writing, you know, in ten minutes and I'm 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:35.800 writing her parts Richardson, Yeah, exactly so, and I'm stunting, 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.759 I'm getting money from other things, and I'm coming to 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.959 the studio, you know what i mean, on my little 0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.400 baby baby Stevie j. You know what I'm saying. But 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.759 but it's like and it was just kind of then 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:48.719 it's like the animosity started. 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.279 To grow because now you're getting checks from the city 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:52.120 high stuff. 0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:57.040 Exactly exactly, just so much when their advances ran out 0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:02.839 from the group, I'm still you know what i mean. 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:06.480 So then it was like that's when the competition started. 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:09.680 And that's when it like it was like the animosity started. 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.000 And then uh and then. 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.640 Him, you know, they little that little high school thing. 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:17.880 That was over because now we're professionals. We in the 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.920 real world, were adults now, so that was over. And 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.520 then like and I'm working with her now and like 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:28.040 I'm the older one and with the bag and we're 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.680 genuinely cool and I'm like, right, and I called her 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:38.960 five to five, she five to seven. But I'm like, 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:42.760 Nave does it doesn't translate. 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:44.200 Exactly. 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.759 I'm like, you know, sing this five five brown, now, 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.200 do sunrize it? We spend more and more time together 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.759 and so quite naturally, and so that only just built 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.680 more animosity and more drama. And then it was like, 0:47:57.840 --> 0:47:59.720 you know, and I was at an age and stage 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:04.800 where you know, this is post Omar, like I'm. 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:22.520 Omar now, I'm I'm the captain, I'm talking. 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.960 You know, it was just different times. 0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:33.440 No, you can't use that as the excuse that it 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:34.240 was just different. 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:45.000 No you yeah, I listen, But see that. 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.560 When you're sharing that kind of space and that kind 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:51.000 of energy, that's different. 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:54.279 And if and if and and this is the this 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:59.279 is the big part that people don't understand. Okay, y'all 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:04.719 are y'all are friends, right, it's my brother Okay, but 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:09.640 before y'all became brothers and y'all knew each other, Like, 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.279 did y'all immediately become brothers or where y'all working for 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.319 a while for each other? Now, Okay, so that ain't 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:20.520 the case for everybody for sure. Sometimes it's like, all right, 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.080 I know you, you know me. You know you're not 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:24.840 like that with everybody in the game, right, No. 0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:27.840 Sure, yeah, because you were in a group you didn't 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.560 ultimately even want to be in in the beginning. No, right, right, circumstances, 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:35.120 and even the whole plan was always like no, this 0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:37.640 was like during the making the band era, So it's like, 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:39.400 what would just do, Like I'm making the band situation, 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:40.640 y'all get together. 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:45.960 That was kind of like always the plan. They always 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:49.359 promised that, and not for nothing. 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:54.240 But it's like if if you sort of like begged 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:56.759 me to be in this situation, this group with you, 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:02.359 and then you we put the girl in the group, 0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:04.880 and I'm like, I don't really think this is a 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:05.440 good idea. 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:07.920 It's like no, Na, Na, it'll be fine, it'll be fine, 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.200 And then you're. 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:12.680 Out of pocket all the time because now you can't 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:16.880 handle the pressure of being on the same team with 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:22.279 somebody who's doing more, and so now you taking every 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.719 opportunity to wow out whenever the fuck you want to, 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:27.920 and Eddie Kane whenever you want to. 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.680 Yeah, you's definitely you see what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, 0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:33.719 there's definitely nothing you can build on that. 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:35.840 Like what then? The only reason I guess I was 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:40.080 asking y'all because I'm like, all right, y'all are brother, 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.600 So it's a little bit different. But even in a 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:46.759 brother situation, imagine if one of y'all. Let's if he 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.520 was like out of pocket all the time with his 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:54.280 lady and you like, bro, like yo, mo, fuck that nigga. 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.600 Fuck that nigga. Fuck you too, cause how. 0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:02.839 Many times do you put up with that before you say, 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:06.440 I'm just saying that you don't have to deal with. 0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.080 That no more. I'm just saying, like, I mean, nah nigga, 0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:12.800 because you know, nigga drinking every day and like the 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:16.240 studio and like I'm the one writing all the songs. 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:19.440 Watch my chair swiffle. 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:24.800 Eventually the chair swivels, Eventually the chair swifvels. 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.640 But it wasn't even honestly, it wasn't even really. But 0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:30.399 it's just one of them things. And I've been dealing 0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:32.279 with it for so many years and people so it's 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:35.359 kind of like, well, Bill, well what do you want 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:40.160 to do? Like what am I supposed to do? What's 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.080 supposed to happen? Like I think you did, But if 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.759 you was already being like it's like if I don't 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:50.160 have countless conversations with you, if I'm like, bro, like 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.600 you're doing too much. My nigga, y'all met when she 0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:56.320 was sixteen years old. The group popped off like she 0:51:56.480 --> 0:52:01.720 was like seventeen eighteen years old. Like what you're wild, 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:03.520 my nigga. You don't treat no little girl like that. 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:06.719 You blacking out on her at parties, cussing around in 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:08.800 front of everybody, You're getting drunk. The nigga was a 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:12.440 cold piece of work way before the group. Don't let 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:16.239 the intervention show fool you. You feel what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:18.320 And that's the part that I would always save and 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:19.880 just be like, you know what, I'll just take the 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:21.880 scarlet letter. I'll be the bad guy. It's fine. I 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:24.160 ain't you know what I'm saying, but like that's just 0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:26.960 the fact of the matter. Like you're doing too much, bro, 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:29.960 And I'm just not that. I ain't gonna be. I 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.440 wasn't raised like that. I got five older brothers, my nigga, 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.880 You feel what I'm saying, I'm raising a whole nother culture. 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:39.640 So me and you be different. And I'm just like 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:42.920 and if we and if you can't handle the pressure, 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:46.359 just say you can't handle the pressure, nigga, Like then, bro, 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:50.160 you like you outshining me. And it's like, nah, fuck 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.880 that fuck that nigga. Like you you're talking to me 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:55.960 like I wasn't already doing like I wasn't already working 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.239 before I even met you, like you acting like I 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:01.080 need I don't don't. I don't need this clearly right. 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:03.759 So it was just that, and I try to just 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.719 stay as cool and as friendly as possible. And then 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:08.560 after a while it just gets to a point where 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:14.120 I mean, you're leaving her at the studio we at 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.239 Kleff Studio and East Orange like that's the hood, bro 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:19.680 like and you bouncing and driving and leaving. 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:21.000 Fuck that ride home with Ryan? 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.880 How many nice is she gonna ride? My mama told me. 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:27.279 You know, my mama used to say, don't mix your 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:33.880 homeboys and your girlfriend. You keep them separate. You understand 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:37.120 what I'm saying, because human beings are just human beings. 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:39.160 And the more you get the mixing in, and the 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.839 more they start to feel a little too comfortable around 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.360 each other. You understand what I'm saying. Things can happen, 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:50.719 Feelings can occur. You understand what I mean, Especially if 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:55.200 you out of pocket, any woman is gonna start leaning 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:59.719 on your bro little one keep and you're just like, yeah, 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.759 it's cool, but I'll talk to him. No, he can't 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.000 be more like you and we in the studio all 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:11.960 the time, and we making hit records together. And I'm 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:16.840 older and like more mature, how many I mean, what 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:19.560 am I supposed to do? What was supposed to happen? 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:24.759 So and y'all, I mean I didn't take her, You 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:32.080 let her go, dropped your time, and I mean, I 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.320 honestly I don't regret it. 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:38.560 We had a beautiful life together. 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.560 I married her, I fell in love like it ain't 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:44.640 like a running dunder smuttered, y're out like na, Bro, 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.600 Like we was young, We was traveling the world. We 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:51.280 was having this experience and Bro was in a space 0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:53.680 in his life where he was just on his He 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.000 was on his eddy. Came a nigga. It was like 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:59.040 and so I mean, we was all wilding and having 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.520 fun being young, you know, rock and roll life. But 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:05.440 it's like he his was like a lot different. So 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:10.160 after a while, it just kind of just happened that 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:13.759 the more time she and I spent together, and you 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.360 know what I mean, it was organic and it happened. 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:18.600 And I mean I apologize for me and him then 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.839 fought backstage about it. We don't you know, rowed up 0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:24.359 and broke CRD together about it. Like we done did 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.880 all that already, so I don't have no regrets. She 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:30.400 and I had a beautiful family too, beautiful kids, Like 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:35.080 we're still good friends like so, but you know, it 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:38.040 just is what it is. And especially back then I 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:39.759 was at I was at a space of my life 0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:41.440 where you know, I was I was kind of on 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:43.520 one too in that regard, like you're not just going 0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:47.239 to like keep disrespecting me like that, bro, and like 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:50.400 not showing up to the studio, so just me and 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:51.200 her at the studio. 0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:52.800 So a second album never happened. 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:55.120 It just got to a point where it was like, well, 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:57.440 we can't keep doing this, you know what I mean. 0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:01.240 And then if me and her was gonna be together 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:03.360 and like it's like, let's just it just is what 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.719 it is. It was just one of those situations. So 0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:08.239 and then it was. 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:09.680 Funny because then years later. 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:13.920 He's on TV telling like this whole other story, like 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:16.880 like they was like just these happy love birds, and 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.040 like I just came in and did, like, nigga, that 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:23.080 ain't what happened. Tell him about the Turner ship and 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:25.000 all that ed it came shit, Tell him about all 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:26.839 that other shit, my nigga, Like you know what I'm saying. 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.160 So it's all good now. The album never happened. She 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:33.440 didn't want to do it no more. She was pregnant 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:38.439 with our first son, and uh, and at that point 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.640 it was like, all right, well, I'm riding with my shorty. 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:43.480 And then it was like, you know, the group was 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:49.040 over pretty much. And then, like I said, me and 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:51.440 Dre have reconnected, y'all moved back. 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:52.600 So y'all moved to Philly. 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:54.839 No no, no, I lived in Miami at the time, 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:59.520 but we were recording the second album in New York. Okay, yeah, 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:01.200 And we were according the second album in New York. 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:02.279 And then also to like the. 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:08.600 Second album wasn't really sounding like we you know, like 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:12.279 there was there was something, there was something organic to 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:16.959 the music that Robbie and I was creating together because 0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:20.680 Robbie's he's a great producer, musician and everything. You know, 0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:22.600 when he's focused, you know what I'm saying, Like, and 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:24.960 so we was cooking up like like he produced what 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:29.720 would you do? You know what I mean? Why why? 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.320 Cleff and them told us like, nah, but uh, you 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:34.720 should put my name on as producer because so the 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.600 DJs will play it. And we were like, oh okay. 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:39.640 I was like, but you can't. You can't take my 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.520 publisher though. He's like no, no, no, no, you keep 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:45.040 your publishing. But so then I learnedable lesson about credit. Credit, 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:48.400 credit is everything. He was like, no, you can keep 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:51.440 the publishing. Need the credit, you know what I mean. 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:52.919 So he was like all right, he was like, Plus, 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:54.960 you know, like Funk Flex and all these DJs in 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:57.160 New York, they'll respect it more if we're walking in 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:59.200 there with a record that say, produced by White Cleft 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:04.600 but an actuality. Yeah, yeah, Robbie produced that. We did 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:06.720 that record in his bedroom. Me and Robbie did that. 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:10.480 And Robbie is he's super talented. But just it just 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:15.560 things got him focused. And so that was that and 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.840 uh and uh, you know what's funny, that was the 0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:21.840 reason why I didn't want to, like, I don't want 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:23.280 to be in a group with a nigga and his 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.880 girlfriend because then if anything happened with them, and then 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.080 now I'm in the middle, and it was like it's 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:31.600 almost like it played out exactly was exactly how I 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:34.520 thought it would, you know what I mean, good, bad, whatever, 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:36.480 and different. It's a part of the story. It is 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.400 what it is. But everybody's okay. Now, everybody's happy and 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.200 healthy now and it's all good. But yeah, so the 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:45.400 album wasn't so we were going in to record the 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:51.520 second album at that point, Like Robbie wasn't even coming 0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:53.320 to the studio like that no more, you know what 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:58.440 I mean. And he started making money. He had his 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.720 own little crew friends, you know what I mean. I 0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:03.200 was living in Miami, like I had my own little 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:04.640 crew for now. We you know, it was like that 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:06.360 new addition shit, like you know what I mean. We 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:08.920 went from all riding in the same bus together, now 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:10.960 we got six different busses, like you know what I mean. 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.680 It was kind of like your classic group split after 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:18.919 success story. And then, uh, it was during that time 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.880 Drey and I reconnected because there was a time where 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:24.600 you know, I was off doing city high and they 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:27.439 were off being Dre and Vidal. So we had lost 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:32.000 contact for a while, and when we reconnected, Dre was like, yo, man, 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.360 I got this new crib, you know, twenty third and 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.840 Walnut got this loft. Man, come link, let's just link 0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:39.480 up how we used to when we were just like 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:41.320 you know what I mean, just get up, just me 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:42.800 and you bro, let's link up like we used to. 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:45.200 So I go and he was like, come stay at 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.520 the crib. So I go stay at his house in Philly. 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:51.760 And literally the first night he's showing me the crib 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:53.840 and then he showing me the studio and then he 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:59.320 started working with the ASR and banging, hitting, sounding different samples, 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.480 and then he had do do do bo do do 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:06.080 do do domn down down down on that. 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:07.760 Then he started going through other sound boom. 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:10.440 I'm like no, no, no, no, no no no. I 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:11.880 was like, no, no, no, go back to that one. 1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:15.000 Which one? This one here bump bump bump doom bom 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:18.800 bom bom b. I was like, that's it right there, Bro, 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:20.840 Like you sure I got more ship though I got 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.480 you know, nah that one. He's like, all right, looped 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:27.360 it up, cooked up a little bit to it, and 1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:30.440 uh he gave me the gave me the I had 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:34.320 a he had this little eight track digital recorder, only 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:36.880 had like eight faders on it. This was you know, 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:40.760 pre poor tools. So I went up there. I went 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:42.760 up in the loft. He had this cool little loft 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:46.200 space in the in this apartment. Went up there with 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:52.360 that eight district eight track recorder and uh handheld. Sure, Oh. 1:00:56.040 --> 1:00:59.480 So that's yeah, the Superstar challenges on your demo. 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:04.880 Yeah okay, all right, yeah yeah yeah levels. Yeah I 1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:22.479 heard your stuff man, Yeah yeah yeah, that's so I said, 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:27.200 did the did the reference right there Dre's crib Dre 1:01:27.480 --> 1:01:30.640 was then Dre said, Yo, this would be fire for Usher. 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:33.600 He said that, and I was like, you thinks So 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:36.120 He's like yeah, he said, La reeve been fucking with us, 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:37.840 you know, fucking with me and dal He was like, 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:41.640 this will be crazy for Usher. And funny thing is 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:44.400 this was in between eighty seven and one. Usher was 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:47.120 kind of quiet at the moment, and justin Timberlake was 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:50.680 going was you know what I mean, going crazy? And 1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:53.320 so I was even thinking. I was like, Usher, you 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:55.480 sure like just you know, because Usher was quiet at 1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:55.880 the moment. 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:58.080 He was like, no, I'm telling you. I'm telling you 1:01:58.400 --> 1:01:58.840 all right, bro? 1:01:59.040 --> 1:01:59.280 Cool? 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:02.160 You know. He sends it to l A Read I 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:04.760 guess however, that worked out in about two weeks later, 1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:09.080 like yo, La Read one flies to Atlanta and we 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:11.480 got to Atlanta. Usher was not fucking with us, boy, 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:17.000 that was nah. Usher wasn't fucking with us for like 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:19.520 a good week like. It took us a minute to 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:21.800 win him over, cause he ain't know us. He's like, 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:25.600 who these niggas? You know what I mean? And I 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:27.960 think he was he was also I think he told me. 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:30.000 He told me later on he was like he just 1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:32.120 was like in a space where you know, he got 1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:35.880 justin Timberlake, cracking off kind of like doing his ship, 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:38.080 you feel what I'm saying, and he's getting all this 1:02:38.360 --> 1:02:40.720 like I remember Justin had to cover a rolling stone. 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:42.320 I think it said the new King of Pop, now 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:44.240 you feel. 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:46.760 What I mean? And so, you know, Usher was like, 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:51.480 what like like the competition, like all this work I've. 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:54.280 Been putting in, and he you're like, man, like, come on, man, 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.520 like all the dancing and all the you know what 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:59.920 I mean? Like he like, man, you know, so us 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:01.600 it was feeling some type of way and he just 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:03.840 was in this space. He was a little stand offish 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:07.880 and it took us a minute to get him to 1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:10.400 warm up to us, but he finally warmed up to us. 1:03:10.400 --> 1:03:13.720 He didn't like Caught Up at all. He didn't like 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:16.080 that record at all. He didn't like call Up. No, 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:19.439 he didn't like that song at all at all. That's 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:22.560 crazy he's like, I mean, it's cool. I don't know. 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.880 Caught up like that was like Philly slang. At that time, 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:27.880 nobody even talked like that. That was like some Philly 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:29.840 shit like oh, she got you caught up, she got 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:31.400 you caught up. He was like, we don't talk like 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:33.760 that in a shot. We don't talk like that. So 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:36.680 it was we kept playing it for him, working on 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:38.760 it a little more, playing it because he cut, he 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:43.280 cut Superstar, and then you know, we was like, all right, 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:45.680 we're gonna do some more. And then he was like 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:47.840 he was like, man, I need something I could dance too. 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:50.800 And then he left. He left the studio. So Medre 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:53.840 and down Pooper, we all put our heads together and 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:55.360 was like, we need to get something with some temple, 1:03:55.480 --> 1:03:58.600 like some Michael Jackson shit, like three changes like versus 1:03:58.720 --> 1:04:01.920 one thing and then the hook go somewhere, you know, 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:05.840 the three the stink movements, you know. And we cooked 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:10.240 the song up, wrote it, I referenced it, and uh, 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:12.600 he came back heard it. He's like, I don't know, 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:13.160 I don't know. 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:15.600 He was hard man, he was not. He wasn't fucking 1:04:15.640 --> 1:04:15.840 with it. 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:18.640 It took us a minute. We took us a minute. 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:22.120 We kept playing it over and over again. Remember Mark 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:25.200 Pitts was Mark Pitts pulled me outside the room in 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:27.960 the hallway at the studio. Was like, nigga, you know 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:30.440 something I learned from Puffy. He was like, Man, I 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:34.040 learned this is show business, nigga. He was like, and 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:37.040 the show don't start when you hit the stage. Like 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:40.400 the show start now. He's like, man, that was Pete 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:43.080 Diddy in that room. Right now, he'll be standing on 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:48.600 the SSL horn, champagne on your head talking about playboy. 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:51.320 You ain't fucking with this play boy. You ain't with 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:55.720 this playboy, tzy plake boy. Nigga, ain't trying to get money. 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:57.280 You ain't trying to get money. 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:00.520 So Mark was like, man, I don't care what you 1:05:00.760 --> 1:05:04.160 need to do. If you need to order some bottles, 1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:08.120 calls some mention, whatever you need to do. You need 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:13.600 to sell this record. Wow, wow, come on, Yeah, Mark 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:14.040 gave me the. 1:05:14.080 --> 1:05:26.480 Game in your pursuit to. 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:34.320 Two double diamonds, be prince to be prince uh to 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:36.520 liking the women folk. 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:37.720 Yeah, that. 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:42.520 Is the motivation to this thing. Man, Like the money 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:45.480 is cool, and we don't get into this thing for 1:05:45.560 --> 1:05:48.400 the money. That you get into this R and B 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:49.960 thing for the woman that started. 1:05:50.240 --> 1:05:50.960 I started young. 1:05:56.400 --> 1:06:02.720 They tell you they heard yourself. Where you going with you? 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:03.200 Playboy? 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:08.720 Yeah, I'm about to pull that Champagne that publish that, 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:11.160 imagine it Champagne and public Corn. 1:06:11.000 --> 1:06:11.480 In the studio. 1:06:12.680 --> 1:06:27.680 Top five, your top five, Top five, your top. 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:30.480 Singer. 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:39.160 Yeah, R and B songs, Yeah, already. 1:06:39.160 --> 1:06:45.280 You've written some m Dombo Nman you got up, you 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:51.200 got it song you got yeah? 1:06:55.200 --> 1:06:56.760 Yeah, Top. 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:20.920 Fi, Ryan Toby, Yes, sir, let me lean in your 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:24.680 top five R and B artists. 1:07:25.360 --> 1:07:29.560 Michael Jackson and Prince are at the top. Is that 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:32.280 one and two or one and one? I used to 1:07:32.480 --> 1:07:38.280 wish that Michael Jackson played an instrument and I used 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:41.000 to wish that Prince could dance like Michael. 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:43.800 It kind of evens them out, though it does to 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:46.200 a certain degree. Lauren Hill really put me. 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:49.600 Up on Stevie Wonder, like deep cut Stevie, You know 1:07:49.640 --> 1:07:54.600 what I mean. So Stevie Wonder, Yeah, I feel like Steve. 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:57.439 I discovered Stevie and Donnie Hathaway at the same time, 1:07:58.160 --> 1:08:03.600 so they hold uh similar position for me a little bit. 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:10.000 Michael Prince, Stevie Donnie is like yeah, that's like, yes, 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:12.840 I'm gonna just do four and then the fifth one, 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:16.479 and I'm thinking about the females. I'm gonna I'm gonna 1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:18.880 throw Lauren Hill as number five. When am I gonna 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:24.600 argue with you? Bar you up? I don't know what. 1:08:26.000 --> 1:08:28.800 I don't really know who one of one? All right? 1:08:29.160 --> 1:08:35.280 Your top five? Yeah, R and B songs millions by 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:43.320 the like, I still listen to that. Now. There's so 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:46.120 many commission songs, but like a commission running back to 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:50.000 you was very affected me. 1:08:51.840 --> 1:08:54.880 I've been buying the commission for like, yeah, the last 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:59.320 few weeks, just like tapping tapping back into my Mitchell 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:02.800 Jones come back, yes, really tapping into my I am 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:03.600 here and the. 1:09:03.680 --> 1:09:06.800 Old me, and those tones are what shaped us like 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:09.760 you know what I mean. So I'll go there. Then 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:14.200 I'm gonna go where we at. Number three, Let me 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:16.560 go with like Prince beautiful ones. 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:19.400 Mm hmm. 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:25.479 And then number four maybe love you for life, you 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:26.280 know what I'm saying. 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:34.800 Number five go listen to that, right let me number five, 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:37.840 I'm trying to blink and I should sing it all 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:40.000 the time. I'll circle back to it. 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:44.880 It'll come back to me. That will be number five. 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:48.360 These are songs that like I'll still go listen to, 1:09:49.200 --> 1:09:50.840 like you know what I mean for me? So my 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:54.080 top five isn't necessarily the most popular songs. It's your 1:09:54.280 --> 1:09:59.400 top five. Yeah yeah here t yeah, I already know 1:09:59.479 --> 1:09:59.840 my vote. 1:09:59.840 --> 1:10:02.240 Tr okay, no no, no no. 1:10:02.600 --> 1:10:05.200 So with Voltron, because I watched on other episodes, it 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:08.960 would you how many is it you're taking four artists 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:12.960 to build one? Build one? See? Okay, My Voltron is 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:18.520 a little different. I would do a Voltron with Jodasy 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:27.639 minus Dalvin, with young Tank fucked up like that, because 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:30.479 I will I wonder I always wonder what Jodasy would 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:33.559 sound like with three singers. 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:35.920 I know what they sounded like with two. 1:10:36.960 --> 1:10:38.640 And I always looked at Boys of Men like they 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:43.559 had more singers, more like lead singers, so that whole 1:10:43.600 --> 1:10:47.600 boys the men Jodasy thing was always like dang and 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:50.800 the Dalvin Davante was you know, the cold producer or whatever, 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:53.840 and Dalvin was, you know, brought what he brought to 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:56.599 the table as well. But like I'm like like knowing, 1:10:56.720 --> 1:10:58.679 like like you know how you saying, And I wondered 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:03.280 like just like three like dark skinned, fucking singing ass 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:06.040 like church ass niggas, Like I want to hear that ship, 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:09.360 Like what because I know you could get off with 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:15.280 the production. That would be like Diary of a Mad 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:17.760 Band Jodasy to let me be clear, Diary of a 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:26.280 Mad Band Jodas. It's like, yeah, yeah, young Tank, that's 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:28.800 what my dream. That's where I would do. I don't 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:32.160 really care about nobody else. I'll be like, I want 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:34.920 to see what that group sound like if a third 1:11:35.000 --> 1:11:35.800 nigga could come in and. 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:39.800 Get actually a group. Yeah, yeah, I love it though. 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:43.280 It's all those things though. It's it's the voice, it's 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:44.360 the styling, and you. 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:49.800 Produce and you play so too, like like what does 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:50.360 that look like? 1:11:50.640 --> 1:11:54.200 Like like if Davante's on guitar and your old kids, 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:56.639 it's like what the fuck is happening and you're singing 1:11:56.920 --> 1:11:58.760 and these niggas singing and then like you got the 1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:00.800 one verse segment and then you coming on the I 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:03.600 don't know, like I just think that SHI would have 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:04.240 been super raw. 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:07.519 Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. 1:12:07.800 --> 1:12:10.120 That's crazy. That is that a reach? 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:14.439 No, that's nuts. That's sign right there. 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:24.160 That's we got a man with a lot of stories, 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:32.920 man live whoa whoa, I. 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:37.320 Ain't saying no nick. I ain't saying no names, no names, 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:47.519 don't say I ain't saying no. 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:55.240 Yeah. 1:12:56.000 --> 1:12:59.200 So this segment, it's part of the show. It's called 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:03.360 I ain't saying no names. Will you tell us a story? Ooh, 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:07.040 funny or fucked up? We are funny and fucked up. 1:13:08.680 --> 1:13:08.960 Dang. 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:13.320 I got a good one in the Travels Ryan Toby, 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:14.320 I got a good one. 1:13:14.360 --> 1:13:15.920 Okay, Okay, you're ready? Are you ready? 1:13:15.960 --> 1:13:18.559 Hold on? Hold on, okay, hold on, Okay, I got 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:22.800 no let me see. I'm gonna go aw when you're ready, 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:23.640 because he got announce you. 1:13:24.360 --> 1:13:25.160 You gotta be announced. 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:34.439 M Okay, I'm ready. Okay, it's my camera right here, 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:38.799 right now. We're about to get into some real double 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:46.200 diamond ship though. You got Ryan Toby, old, happy motherfucking day. 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:48.759 I know nobody's ever said it that way. Oh, happy 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:55.240 motherfucking day. Toby here right now, and he ain't about to. 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:59.080 Say no names. I ain't gonna say no names. I 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:05.240 ain't gonna say no no. But it was a writing session. 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:08.559 This is early. This is early in my writing career. 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:18.360 So this artist came down to touch a Jazz to 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:23.080 work with me. Drean Videll and this artist he was, 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:31.880 he was very well known, and uh, he came down. 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:36.920 And this is in two ninety This had to be 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:40.519 maybe ninety nine at the latest, probably before that ninety seven, 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:43.360 maybe maybe ninety eight ninety seven. All I know is 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:48.080 that the the Lexus land Cruiser was the hottest car 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:51.800 on the shoe. Lexus Lamb was the hottest car on 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:56.960 the street. And he had the newest one, whatever version 1:14:57.040 --> 1:15:00.680 of it that was. He had the newest one. It 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:06.240 was white gold trimmed peanut butter guts by so fire 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:10.400 hot does Carl on the street. He come down, he 1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:14.120 iced out. We're just like, you know what I'm saying, 1:15:14.280 --> 1:15:17.240 this that this ding got this that bull as we said, Philly, 1:15:17.320 --> 1:15:17.960 this that bull. 1:15:19.040 --> 1:15:20.519 And it was great. 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:25.200 We vibbing, were chilling. We we we we're writing. And 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:27.400 then uh and then it's like, yo, man, let's let's 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:28.920 get out the studio. You know what I'm saying. Let's 1:15:28.960 --> 1:15:30.280 let's go get a drink, Let's go, you know what 1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:32.280 I mean, touch the town a little bit. So when 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:34.920 we dip out, we all jump in the truck and 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:37.720 we all we go some little spot. We go to 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:40.080 some little spot. Whatever woo. We in the spot were 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:43.559 chilling vibe all right, cool. We just wanted to get 1:15:43.560 --> 1:15:44.920 out the studio for a second. Now we're about to 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:48.160 head back. We done had a couple of drinks whatever 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:49.680 Da da d were a little you know, we a 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:55.120 little rowdy. We're walking out, were about to leave. I'm like, hey, yo, man, 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:56.160 let me whip this ship. 1:15:56.320 --> 1:15:56.960 Man the. 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:05.120 Ship, throw me the keys. All good, we all jumping 1:16:05.320 --> 1:16:09.320 whip damn. We this. 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:13.639 Movin. 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:18.600 So we mash it through the city. So I do 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:21.040 that move where you know it was? It was it 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:23.960 was a red light, and it was a car, you know, 1:16:24.040 --> 1:16:26.800 two cars in front. So you know, you pull up 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:28.400 just in time for when it turned green and dip 1:16:28.479 --> 1:16:30.519 around the car in front of you. But you're not 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:34.280 supposed to do that. That that right turn, that right 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:36.479 pass on the right side. I do it. 1:16:38.520 --> 1:16:39.679 Whoo boo boo boo boop. 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:46.960 Police, Oh ship police, damn as I'm pulling over the 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:47.920 police in the back. 1:16:48.439 --> 1:16:48.599 Oh. 1:16:48.720 --> 1:16:50.479 And it was me and for Dial in the front 1:16:51.560 --> 1:16:56.120 and Dre and old boy in the bag. Old boy, guys, 1:16:56.160 --> 1:17:00.760 I'm pulling over. He yo, fam my name Darryl. If 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:06.960 they asked like Daryl Brown or some ship. You're not 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:10.400 wait what, I'm looking in the rear, like what did 1:17:10.439 --> 1:17:10.679 you say? 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:11.080 Yeah? 1:17:11.120 --> 1:17:13.360 Bro, my name down and he pulled like a turn 1:17:13.479 --> 1:17:17.240 to the side like I ain't in this type and 1:17:17.320 --> 1:17:19.800 I ain't really care. It was so fast, and the 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:25.760 cop came, a thing came to the window. I'm like, wait, wait, 1:17:25.800 --> 1:17:30.880 what did they just say? No licensed registration? I don't 1:17:30.880 --> 1:17:32.680 know where anything is? Because you know what I mean? 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:35.200 And Homie got straight. 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:38.080 This is a non non. 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:45.840 Like he got straight silent Daryl Brown. So I'm like, 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:51.640 what the fuck? So I'm me and dal trying to 1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:55.920 find We don't know where nothing's that. We hitting wind 1:17:55.960 --> 1:18:00.439 shild wipers and dazard lights and clearly just say in 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:04.640 our cars, trying to find it, trying to find it, 1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:10.560 glove compartment whatever. So then Darryl is like, it's in 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:12.240 the It's in the you know, in the thing under 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:15.400 the thing whatever. So I'm like, what the you know 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:19.520 what I'm saying, So go in, We get these little paperwork, 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:22.599 give it to the give it to the to the cop. 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:27.240 He go back ship right here, he go back run 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:34.800 everything cars hot as fish crease. The tags are from 1:18:34.840 --> 1:18:38.920 one state. The ven number is from another state. The 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:41.880 name is like of a dead person. Like it's like 1:18:43.720 --> 1:18:45.880 and he's not. This ain't a rapper. This is a singer, 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:52.000 a well known singer, and so at the time, so 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:56.559 I'm like, yo, but but so when the cop came back, 1:18:57.200 --> 1:18:59.800 step out the car, Step out the car. For what 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:04.960 he tells you, this car is hot man. License plate 1:19:05.040 --> 1:19:07.120 from one state, the vend number from another state. This 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:13.240 from another state. I'm like, oh, man, nah, come on, man, like, 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.599 I don't know we got this. This this ain't even 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:20.200 in my car. Bro for whose car is it? So Daryl, 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:23.800 I'm like, I'm waiting for Daryl to like say something. 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:26.680 So now everybody get we all giving out fake nay 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:28.760 oh name and my name is Tony and my name 1:19:28.880 --> 1:19:30.639 is you know, Chico, and you know what I mean. Whatever. 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:33.240 So the cop be like, all right, that's well, get 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:36.200 out the car. So I'm like, all right, so I 1:19:36.320 --> 1:19:38.640 opened the door. I mean, I get out the car. 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:41.639 That niggas still ain't say nothing. So now they trying 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:45.000 to alright, no, officer, ain't you know it's our friend car. 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:47.800 We work at the studio around the corner. He's back 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:49.280 there at the studio. He was like, well, you better 1:19:49.320 --> 1:19:53.240 go get him, because not he's going to jail. This 1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:57.000 niggas still ain't say nothing, so dreamed out trying to 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.640 Now we work at studio Jazzy Jeff. He trying to 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:02.640 throw any thing out there to get some love. We 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:06.200 ain't getting no love. We ain't getting no love. So 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:09.880 everybody get out the car and then they trying to 1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:11.880 like kind of walk with me and negotiate with the cop. 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:13.719 And the cop and then he, you know, other units 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:17.000 them pulled up real fast, and uh, they get it. 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:19.439 You know, now they back up, get on the show 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:20.800 walk you know what I'm saying. You come over here. 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:23.120 You want to go to jail too. So it turned 1:20:23.160 --> 1:20:25.960 into this whole fucking thing. So he made them all 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:29.320 walk on, get the fuck out, I'm telling you right now. 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:33.800 Took all your asses jail. Oh. Boys still ain't say nothing. 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:36.960 So I'm trying to hold it down as long as 1:20:37.040 --> 1:20:37.439 I can. 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:40.040 Like, I'm like, I don't know. They put me in 1:20:40.080 --> 1:20:42.080 the cuffs and everything. Bro put me in the back 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:45.120 of the squad car and I turned around and like 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:48.760 and he's like in front of them, walking in front 1:20:48.760 --> 1:20:49.559 of them out. 1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:52.920 I'm like, nah, dog, hey, off. 1:20:58.880 --> 1:21:02.320 Ah No him right there, the one right there with 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:03.920 the blue coat with the jewelry on. 1:21:04.479 --> 1:21:05.479 This is his car. 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:07.960 Fuck that. I'm not going to jail for this. Nigga. 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:12.920 No nigga, no nigga. So we get to talking this, 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:14.599 that and the third, and then the cop was like, well, 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:18.560 who's card man? I man, listen, I sang like a motherfucker. 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:23.000 Listen, I sang several divon. 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:26.479 I don't know you. This is my first day meeting you. 1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:31.000 You feel me, and you be straight silient like you 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:34.640 and you walking off first what like even you know 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:37.280 jam Dow. They trying to linger, and they coming up 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.000 with most of the story, like yo, it was our 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:42.720 brother car. He had the studio with the studios right 1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:43.400 around the corner. 1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:44.360 We could go, you know. 1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:46.760 Officers. They trying to plead a little case for me. 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:49.680 Cop trying to tell them to move. A home boy 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:54.680 is already walking down the strip. No man, no, no, 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:59.960 that's him. That's him. Aliens. 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:05.920 He signed to. 1:22:07.840 --> 1:22:11.920 Exactly exactly heard it. 1:22:12.400 --> 1:22:14.840 I mean like I couldn't no, no, no, no, no no. 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:18.120 So I think what happened. 1:22:18.160 --> 1:22:18.720 I was in the car. 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:20.600 They never they didn't take me down to the to 1:22:20.680 --> 1:22:23.400 the precinct. He just told me what the situation was 1:22:23.479 --> 1:22:25.960 with the car, and then he was like well, I 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:27.560 was like, well, it ain't my car, and you know, 1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:30.640 like my name wasn't on nothing. And then he was 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:33.920 just like I don't know if I gave him. I 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:35.920 don't know what happened, but he was just like, well 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:38.040 I'm taking the car. I'm in pounding the car. That 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:40.880 was how it all somehow played out, or if they 1:22:41.040 --> 1:22:43.880 told they was finally able to talk to the cop 1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:46.240 and he said, well, tell your brother he can come 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:48.960 get it from the from the from the station something 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:50.639 like that. Tell him he can come get it from 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:53.080 the impound. So they was like, all right, we're gonna 1:22:53.080 --> 1:22:54.560 go get him there. Can you can you let my 1:22:54.640 --> 1:22:56.080 friend out that He was like hold on it old. 1:22:56.120 --> 1:22:57.560 On the second, they just like made me sit in 1:22:57.640 --> 1:22:59.240 the car for a minute. I thought they was about 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:00.840 to take me downtown. They ended up letting me get 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:02.639 out the car. I walked back to the studio, get 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:05.519 back to the studio. This niggas already at the studio, 1:23:07.880 --> 1:23:18.439 like sitting in the studio. Of course, the fuck what yeah, 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:19.479 I ain't saying no names. 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:24.320 Did y'all do the record? We had already did it. 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:26.479 Matter of fact, That's why we went out because it 1:23:26.560 --> 1:23:28.599 was kind of like the record was done. 1:23:28.920 --> 1:23:29.519 It was fire. 1:23:29.600 --> 1:23:31.080 It was just kind of like, all right, let's go out, 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.800 you know, a little celebrate type thing. So the record 1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:36.800 was already done all the way. And then he hit 1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:39.160 me with some man you know, I bought it from 1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:42.720 my homie and such and such and man the paperwork 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:45.600 man like he hit me with nigga. You knew he 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:47.560 was riding round because this was back when niggas was 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:51.560 copping them. You know, get like the six hundred SIXD 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:52.839 for like twelve thousand. 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:56.720 Niggas is buying you know, cars off the boat you 1:23:56.760 --> 1:23:57.280 can get. 1:23:57.200 --> 1:24:01.000 Like I have not had car. I was like, so 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:04.000 who I make the payment to to him? 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:06.120 So I'm I'm Duyl Brown. 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:08.960 Right stop, what do I say? 1:24:09.600 --> 1:24:13.160 I got it? Okay, I guess what do I I've 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:14.080 had a few yeah. 1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:14.320 Yeah. 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:16.519 This was this was during that I remember during that 1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:18.720 time like because that was like that was like the 1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:21.200 thing that was the thing, that was the thingig wish 1:24:21.560 --> 1:24:27.599 numbers find them off the boat yeh D slow yeah, slow, 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:30.080 which which I'm like, bro, why you ain't just say 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:30.920 that when we like. 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:32.519 You know what I mean, like yo, because that was 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:33.799 I funked up the flows. 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:35.800 Yeah, funk up the flows to be like. 1:24:36.680 --> 1:24:38.840 You think it's one hundred and twenty, but it's this. 1:24:39.360 --> 1:24:43.280 This was early, Like I said, this was very early 1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:47.280 in my working with artists, so I was green to artists. 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:49.800 You know that car, I ain't no niggas was stealing 1:24:49.880 --> 1:24:53.120 cars or wearing fake jewelry or anything like that. I'm 1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:55.519 I'm super young this nineteen ninety seven. I might have 1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:57.880 been nineteen years old, twenty years. 1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:00.519 Old or whatever that was. So it's like and always 1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:01.160 super sweet. 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:03.840 I'm thinking, like, well, you're you're so and so. 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:06.000 You used to sing with so and so, and you 1:25:06.160 --> 1:25:07.840 did doing hot Car. 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:10.360 You know what I'm saying, damn and you got the 1:25:10.479 --> 1:25:12.800 newest damn nigga. You're getting it like I'm excited. This 1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:17.439 might have been my second artist session. First artist session 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:22.000 was with Darius Rutger and uh and and that was 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:24.800 funny because he had to deal with Budweiser from who 1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:28.559 He and the Blowfish, So Bud Riser trucks would up 1:25:28.600 --> 1:25:35.240 to the studio drop drop Bud. Wow, fucking I'm with it. 1:25:37.080 --> 1:25:37.400 You guys. 1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:41.280 Party you guys party, so like that's artist number one, 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:44.280 and then like artist number two is this guy? So 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:51.639 that was that was my white nigga got a keg 1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:56.679 a bud that buddy, because one party bud lights. 1:25:56.800 --> 1:26:05.479 You guys want to get wild weird. I gotta I 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:07.320 gotta kick him, but I don't take us anywhere we 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:07.680 want to go. 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:08.920 It's just it. 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:14.680 Yeah, listen, man, thank you, bro, thank you. I mean, 1:26:14.800 --> 1:26:17.719 you know, we we we've been family for quite some time. 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:21.920 So you know, for with Jesus do, which turned out 1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:25.760 to be with Joe to See, I've been trying to 1:26:25.880 --> 1:26:29.120 tell people it's not what would Jesus do? 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:36.920 What Joe absolutely Joe to See to us is kind 1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:37.800 of Jesus like. 1:26:38.200 --> 1:26:41.360 Jesus so absolutely absolutely. 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:44.280 And you made me record my vocals over. I never 1:26:44.360 --> 1:26:47.479 record my vocals over. And Ryan said, I just think 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:50.799 if you just get back in my pocket. 1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:54.160 You realized he was double diamond. 1:26:54.280 --> 1:26:59.599 He's double diamond when he said re record, re record, Yeah, 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:03.000 I got y'all should add a segment to the show 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:04.840 called Funny Tank Moments. 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:07.200 Everyone has a funny Tank moment. 1:27:07.280 --> 1:27:10.599 You should add Funny Tank Moments and make your guess 1:27:11.280 --> 1:27:13.560 tell some good, funny tank moments that they had in 1:27:13.640 --> 1:27:14.000 their life. 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:17.960 If they yeah, if they know you, I got, I 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:18.960 got a good three. 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:21.280 I'm sure. I was debating on whether to use that 1:27:21.360 --> 1:27:24.439 one or not because it's three. I was like, it's 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:26.040 gonna be too long, so I said, I just tell 1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:29.000 them about that other guy. My tak moments are good though. 1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:29.920 They're funny though. 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:38.599 Ships, drinking, thanking my dad. I have a beverage too. 1:27:40.000 --> 1:27:42.120 I would have a beverage to thank you brother for 1:27:42.200 --> 1:27:44.719 coming by. Thank you fellows. 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:48.120 Ship, tell me about it. I ain't know. M hmm, 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:49.360 telling me a bunch of ship. 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:52.519 I ain't know, you said, I am telling you going 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:55.400 through the progressions of your story all that. 1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:56.240 You know what I'm saying. 1:27:56.320 --> 1:27:59.439 It's like, you know, I like, I like what this 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:02.000 is becau because although it is a thing that you know, 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:05.400 we end up you know, uploading or whatever that is, 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:09.080 from the business of it, Like it really gives us 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:13.240 an opportunity to dive, have those deep dive conversations with 1:28:13.360 --> 1:28:13.880 our guys. 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:14.559 You know what I'm saying. 1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:18.880 You know, our girls like like what you know what 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:21.280 I'm saying, Like, that's that's really cool. 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:24.719 It's cool. It's cool too that the fans, the people 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:27.559 that watch that maybe aren't in the industry, they get 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:33.719 to see that industry, people, artists, whatever, are still human. 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:36.920 They just they have human stories and human situations because 1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:40.280 I think a lot of times fans, you know, you 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:43.439 don't think niggas is human, like you did what oh 1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:46.479 he did? You know what I mean? Or even you know, 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:48.080 like I'm the dude I'm talking about. 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:50.160 He's just a nigga, just doing with nigga, you know 1:28:50.200 --> 1:28:51.960 what I'm saying, with some type of those type of 1:28:52.040 --> 1:28:54.040 guys doing so It's like it's not that you got 1:28:54.160 --> 1:29:00.360 to hold these people in this almost like unrealistic, you know. 1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:04.800 And it's a platform like this allows people to see that. 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:08.120 Just tell people all the time, my repossession is the 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:09.440 same as your repossession. 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:14.519 Can the people that call you their money? 1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:19.800 Can we confirm that Tank ain't Daryl Brown? 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:22.400 Can we at least confirm that that Tank is not 1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:23.160 Daryl Brown? 1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:23.400 No? 1:29:23.720 --> 1:29:27.920 No, he would have he would have been broken, you 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:28.200 know what. 1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:29.960 That's why I didn't want to tell the Holy Great 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:31.240 and I'm like, he's gonna give it away. 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:39.720 I'm not Brown, not bro Listen, man, I don't I 1:29:39.760 --> 1:29:41.479 don't even know what else to say about you, man, 1:29:41.520 --> 1:29:44.640 outside of you know, you're probably the only guy I know. 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:45.719 It's double diamond. 1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:51.360 Oh man, I'm s we respect your craft, we respect 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:52.760 you and love you as a human being. 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:56.360 And you know, we all we had our talking cheesecake. 1:29:56.400 --> 1:30:00.040 You know. You know, just retiring ship is bullship. You 1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:02.000 know what I'm saying, I need a couple more. You 1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:04.240 know what I'm saying, Man like that, you know, put 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:07.040 the double diamond pin and production hat back on. 1:30:07.400 --> 1:30:09.720 Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:11.400 I'm out of retirement. I'm going to make I made 1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:12.559 my first debut album. 1:30:12.680 --> 1:30:16.280 Yeah, man, I'm saying. When I seen you on stage, man, 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:17.960 you know what I mean. You know you already know 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:20.000 my favorite song still is to this day. You know 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:22.920 you know that right that was he played me a 1:30:23.040 --> 1:30:26.080 song fifteen years ago and I'm still talking about it 1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:28.240 to this day, Like you feel me. So it's like 1:30:29.560 --> 1:30:32.920 when I seen you on I said, wait a minute, yeah, 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:34.800 knowing when you went you know, you went to the 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:38.560 other side, You went to the corporate side. Things you 1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:40.800 wanted to swivel chair. But then your ass is back 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:42.960 on the month on the stage with the motherfuck was 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:44.560 that future? What the color was that. 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:48.560 I meant it was his here's here's a huge I 1:30:48.640 --> 1:30:49.800 had the cream on I. 1:30:51.280 --> 1:30:54.800 Yeah, I said, man, that and and to know your 1:30:54.920 --> 1:30:57.040 brotherhood and to know the journey and then now like 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:59.519 we just gonna go just snap and have fun. 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:02.719 I was about, Bro, that's what's about. 1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:05.360 That's the time. Yeah, that gave me that that that 1:31:05.479 --> 1:31:06.320 really blests my heart. 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:08.519 Now we really thank you for coming Bro. Like people 1:31:08.560 --> 1:31:11.599 don't know. Yeah, ran up on this man in the mall. 1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:14.720 This is my real friend in real life. 1:31:14.760 --> 1:31:17.639 I threatened him in the mall. Yeah, he was really good. 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:18.720 I was really I was really good. 1:31:18.720 --> 1:31:20.600 I'm this is my guy. I've never been aggressive, but 1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:21.680 I was very aggressive about that. 1:31:22.439 --> 1:31:25.600 And this is before the streets started asking, because we 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:27.240 talked about it a long time ago. 1:31:27.360 --> 1:31:29.200 Him coming on to show. He's a very business man. 1:31:29.280 --> 1:31:31.000 I mean he's obviously he's double diamonds, so he's living 1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:34.800 his best life. It took a minute to get him here. 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:39.719 It's here now, man, now, shout out, shout out to Rube. 1:31:39.880 --> 1:31:42.439 You know what I mean, Come on the schedule's right, man. 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:44.280 You didn't put you didn't put. You can't put it 1:31:44.320 --> 1:31:46.720 out there now. That ain't gonna be looking up. So 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:53.000 if you want to come on money on this show. Listen, everybody, listen. 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:55.080 These two guys are just the face. 1:31:55.240 --> 1:31:56.040 They just the face. 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:56.880 Don't be fooled. 1:31:56.960 --> 1:31:59.080 There is there a god. 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:03.120 There's brains, brains the brain. 1:32:06.439 --> 1:32:08.880 Quick, let me bring this back. Poochy's daddy name was 1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:13.120 Ruben man Ce. Wow, I just had of course Poochie's daddy. 1:32:14.640 --> 1:32:16.080 Of course, what else would his name be? 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:25.280 My joke? 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