Speaker 1: R and B Money. Honey, we are.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Take volatility. We are the authority on all
Speaker 2: things R and B.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. This is the R and B Money Podcast,
Speaker 3: the authority on all.
Speaker 2: Things R and B.
Speaker 1: Yeah, smile. Oh you know, today's a good day.
Speaker 3: We get to speak with the man of the cloth, uh,
Speaker 3: the man of prestige. Yeah, a man of many uh,
Speaker 3: curated gifts, man who knows his ship for real for us,
Speaker 3: it's been doing it for quite some time. As a
Speaker 3: small niggling. He was doing this ship on the high level.
Speaker 3: You're see what I'm saying, high notes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh.
Speaker 3: It's been happy days, oh happy oh, happy days.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah man, yeah, man, you
Speaker 4: did that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm just the guys here, man, guys here, bless
Speaker 2: you right now.
Speaker 1: Heavily requested, heavily heavily requested.
Speaker 2: Bro, I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the streets wanted to see you on here.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 3: We're still dancing in the streets celebrating.
Speaker 2: Yeah to your tunes. Appreciate it. Oh yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Man. I don't know how that feels to you.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I don't know how, you know, humbling,
Speaker 2: very very humbling, very surreal. I'll be just in my
Speaker 2: own little world and then I won't be on the
Speaker 2: Grand for a couple of das whatever, and then I'll
Speaker 2: check the Grand brand. You know you viral right now,
Speaker 2: some whole something challenge, Superstar challenge, Oh, happy Day challenge.
Speaker 2: You know, somebody be talking about City High. I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: I've been in game thirty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's wow, it's very it's.
Speaker 2: An honor to be like, wow, are you I'm forty six?
Speaker 2: You forty six? Yeah, I'm going to be forty seven
Speaker 2: this year. You're a year older. I'm a year older. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll be forty seven this year with November twenty sixth okay, Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: baby sad. She was almost a cap It's almost almost
Speaker 2: the lord almost soft want that he had a choice, right, well,
Speaker 2: I mean the word says, you know, before I formed
Speaker 2: you in your mother's womb, he knew me. So we
Speaker 2: had a conversation and now don't don't send me into
Speaker 2: that capricorn.
Speaker 1: He knew you, he knew he was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: thankful for me. He was like, they full over there
Speaker 1: are not.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the reason are clearly excluded.
Speaker 1: We are fine, we are good people, we are great, But.
Speaker 3: You have to have like I was reading stuff like
Speaker 3: on this on this humble word, I was reading stuff
Speaker 3: on it just you know, just going down the rabbit
Speaker 3: hole and the word humble and humility, humility and.
Speaker 1: All these things.
Speaker 3: But at times you have to feel like or I
Speaker 3: would like for you to feel like, yeah, I did that,
Speaker 3: I did I mean not even I did I do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah sometimes sometimes.
Speaker 3: And it's okay to feel like that because when I
Speaker 3: hear it and I see you, I tell you you
Speaker 3: do that, you did that?
Speaker 2: But do you know when do you know when to like,
Speaker 2: obviously you want to be humble. You was raised like
Speaker 2: you know, but d da da dad. But then it's
Speaker 2: like and we're in a business where it's like if
Speaker 2: you don't talk your.
Speaker 1: Talk, it's almost like they forget it.
Speaker 2: Someone else will take credit for yeah you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, or somebody maybe not as whatever is you.
Speaker 2: They talk and they talk heavy, and then that's getting
Speaker 2: them in all kinds of doors. Like I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to be absolutely transparent. I struggled with that, like when
Speaker 2: do you know? When do you well? And then when
Speaker 2: do you know?
Speaker 3: I was having a new conversation with good friend, good
Speaker 3: friend of mine, Big Jason, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 3: he was having a conversation with you know, another one
Speaker 3: of his artist friends it works with, and he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, and it was kind of relaying the same
Speaker 3: message to me. It's like when when you guys take
Speaker 3: off or layoff, or you know, or are passive aggressive
Speaker 3: or whatever in that kind of space, you leave too
Speaker 3: much room for for the lesser two then become the
Speaker 3: standard or the louder voice. And I'm not mad at balance,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I believe that there's room
Speaker 3: for the people who are uberly gifted and the people
Speaker 3: who just have a little gift but go hustle. I
Speaker 3: think there's room for all of that, but we fuck
Speaker 3: up the balance when the truly gifted also don't do
Speaker 3: the same hustling and talking.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, if you.
Speaker 3: Got that ship, you need to speak on it because honestly,
Speaker 3: people need to know where exactly to go to get it.
Speaker 3: This is where the fuck it is, and this is
Speaker 3: how you know where it is. This is what I've done.
Speaker 3: We can dial this ship up. Here's the charts. We
Speaker 3: don't have to we don't have to guess anymore. The
Speaker 3: analytic is a real game. Yeah, here's the ship with
Speaker 3: my name on it.
Speaker 2: Call me back, or at least have somebody on your
Speaker 2: team that talk like that, and if maybe then you
Speaker 2: can you you just do the work and then you
Speaker 2: got your talker that go on.
Speaker 3: Somebody gotta say something that's a fact. Somebody gotta say
Speaker 3: something that's a fact.
Speaker 6: I mean, because honestly, do we do we know truly
Speaker 6: who Jay Z is if he doesn't have Dame dash.
Speaker 2: Who he was early Sagittarius m because at that time,
Speaker 2: you know, just that that business.
Speaker 1: Energy is real.
Speaker 6: Because because Jay was a quiet or is a quiet
Speaker 6: guy from what I've seen. I don't know him, but
Speaker 6: he seems to be a really quiet guy. He needed
Speaker 6: someone boisterous to say.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. Ain't nobody fuck with him? Nobody
Speaker 1: with him? That question? Yeah, yeah, that's a very real question.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely nobody fucking with my man.
Speaker 2: We're starting right here.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 6: I've been in the studio with him, I wrote songs
Speaker 6: with him. Yeah, you ain't gonna out singing, yeah, talk
Speaker 6: about it, and he got you know what I mean? He
Speaker 6: got He's of the real cough too. I mean his
Speaker 6: collar is right now, it's not popping.
Speaker 2: Its silky.
Speaker 1: It is silky.
Speaker 5: Nobody fucking with my man?
Speaker 3: Why you make making merch with my man's name on
Speaker 3: it and he not getting none of the merch? Funk
Speaker 3: all that trying to relive the death Gamen said them
Speaker 3: his jackets. Oh you got a whole tour without his
Speaker 3: name on it. The crazy I need to talk to
Speaker 3: somebody higher.
Speaker 1: Up is a legend.
Speaker 2: Crazy, he's a llegend, a legend. Bro's y'all had damon?
Speaker 1: Very necessary?
Speaker 2: Not yet, Okay, we need it. We gonna get it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get it. We're gonna sit aside half a day.
Speaker 1: Y'all gonna get one question off set aside.
Speaker 5: It's gonna go.
Speaker 3: Right, Toby, since you're here, man, let's let's let's go
Speaker 3: back to the beginning. If you you were a gifted
Speaker 3: kid and you were able to tap in early as
Speaker 3: a kid into a very professional space, how did this?
Speaker 1: How did this start for you? Who knew? How did
Speaker 1: you get back in Jersey?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You call the new Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: That's like New Jersey. Man, that was the time. That
Speaker 2: was the time we can call it New Jerusalem. I
Speaker 2: think the Fujis might have coined that phrase. Mean you
Speaker 2: you know you're part of the huh yeah, yeah, Well
Speaker 2: they're from North Jersey. Jersey is split, it's North Jersey
Speaker 2: and South Jersey. So you kind of got like this
Speaker 2: little you know, North Jersey niggas is New Yorkers pretty
Speaker 2: much South Jersey niggas. We grew up on Philly, but
Speaker 2: we're only about an hour and a half apart. So
Speaker 2: then you have that blending and that mixing. And that's
Speaker 2: what made where I'm from Willingboro, New Jersey, same city
Speaker 2: my city is from. Uh Ti tributes from uh yan
Speaker 2: Ye Morris graduated from my high school. Uh Mike Zombie
Speaker 2: who did started from the bottom for me, he's from Woollenboro.
Speaker 1: And the list goes on. I really can't like radalize list, right,
Speaker 1: and you got this city.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so something about that New York Philly mingling,
Speaker 2: mixing whatever in this you know what I mean, this
Speaker 2: this this water it just created like I don't know,
Speaker 2: you got the hip hop, the street element, the grittiness
Speaker 2: of New York. You got the soulfulness and the all
Speaker 2: of that from Philly and then you just get talented
Speaker 2: as motherfuckers, you know what I mean. And a lot
Speaker 2: of athletes and football players. I can't even name all
Speaker 2: the different like athletes that came out of my town.
Speaker 2: But so yeah, willing Broough, New Jersey, it was. It
Speaker 2: was great growing up there in the in the like
Speaker 2: seventies and the eighties because cats, you you were, like
Speaker 2: I said, you had the rough element, like you could
Speaker 2: get your you know, your block knocked off. But then
Speaker 2: it wasn't like you was dodging gangs to the point
Speaker 2: where you couldn't focus on other things or be free
Speaker 2: enough to play music in church and get nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it was there. It was definitely there, But it
Speaker 2: wasn't like it was suffocating, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Some kids really like are in a war zone. So
Speaker 2: it just was like the perfect balance. Now it's kind
Speaker 2: of is bad, but you know what I mean, But
Speaker 2: back then, it was like just the perfect balance. So
Speaker 2: the music aspect was it was like fire, like real fire.
Speaker 2: Like my high school wasn't even a performing arts high school,
Speaker 2: but you thought it was. We was known for having
Speaker 2: like the baddest girls in like the dopest musicians and
Speaker 2: the greatest athletes. Like so it was where city families
Speaker 2: from the city could move to like this suburbs and
Speaker 2: get like a good house and get a family like that.
Speaker 2: You know that that tunity. But now you got this
Speaker 2: city influence and this influx of like the swagger and
Speaker 2: the vibe, you know what I mean. But kids was
Speaker 2: able to steal, like harness their gifts and works on
Speaker 2: work on their craft and stuff like that. And like
Speaker 2: the music program in our high school was just like insane,
Speaker 2: like our our Black Heritage choir that sang every Black
Speaker 2: History Month, you know what I mean, the black it was.
Speaker 2: It was insane. It was insane, like wan ye is
Speaker 2: singing it like you know, this is like green boy.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker was leaving school and getting record deals.
Speaker 1: It was real.
Speaker 2: Ty Trippet was like the band director in high school.
Speaker 2: High school, motherfucking Adam Blackstone, Yeah, Willingborough High School. Adam
Speaker 2: Blackstone who does the Super Bowl now, was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: playing bass for the Black court, you know, the little heritage,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Choir kids when I was
Speaker 2: in school, that was so that just shows you, like
Speaker 2: just the caliber level. So when you say who knew
Speaker 2: all the teachers and the different people that was like,
Speaker 2: you know, taking care of us and grooming us, and
Speaker 2: our mothers and fathers that would buy us instruments and
Speaker 2: let us make little, you know, little makeshift studios in
Speaker 2: the garage because you know, we had garages. So it
Speaker 2: was like a couple of cats had like studios in
Speaker 2: their garage and it's like what the fuck, Like you
Speaker 2: got studio equipment like a little four tracks and little
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, a little real the reels
Speaker 2: and like Niggas was cooking at a young age. It
Speaker 2: was being cultivated. It was really being cultivated.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was if anybody knew anything
Speaker 2: big was gonna come from it, but it was definitely
Speaker 2: something that we were allowed to do. So it was
Speaker 2: an aspiration very early on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like Niggas had studio equipment that was like unheard of us.
Speaker 1: Keyboard, Yeah, keyboard, I make my little tracks on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was hoping that Nigga had a video game.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 1: He doing it and nobody had no npcnig.
Speaker 8: You know what that was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So our parents knew for me, Uh my mother.
Speaker 2: My mother could sing, so she would sit you know,
Speaker 2: they would call her up to sing solos in church
Speaker 2: and stuff on Sunday. And so she saw that I
Speaker 2: had to give for her brother was a preacher. My uncle,
Speaker 2: Lennard was a preacher. He could sing. So I think
Speaker 2: I got it like from them too, you know, my
Speaker 2: mom and my uncle. And so my mother started making
Speaker 2: me sing solos in church and stuff.
Speaker 1: Like that, which I hated.
Speaker 2: I had extreme stage right kind of still do. I
Speaker 2: think That's why I like stay in the studio a
Speaker 2: lot and like fell back more and so on the
Speaker 2: pen versus like going super duper hard as an artist,
Speaker 2: because I always had this stage fight. It was crazy
Speaker 2: like that, you know what I mean, knowing when to
Speaker 2: like when do you be big and let the motherfucker
Speaker 2: have it? But then it's like, you know, long nigga,
Speaker 2: humble yourself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like the church helped with that, because that's usually.
Speaker 2: Usually when you see you feel like the church is vicious.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying because because it's because it is.
Speaker 2: It is take your time, they kill your dream real fast.
Speaker 1: It ain't on you.
Speaker 2: Like I was told, like, wait a minute, bro, well
Speaker 2: that was the bar, right, that's how you got good too.
Speaker 1: But you shaken the whole time.
Speaker 2: There's no oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah what was that?
Speaker 2: What was that? Are you moving in your flesh and
Speaker 2: you're like seven, I don't even understand it's vernacular. You're
Speaker 2: talking about moving in my flesh operating under that? Like
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? You haven't even grown my flesh? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I'm ten years old. I just try not to
Speaker 2: get a whooping, but like, let me about you give
Speaker 2: me like estentral crisis about like my soul and where
Speaker 2: my spirit is operating?
Speaker 1: Like lady, I grew up in the church is I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2: They ran me out. That's why I got That's why
Speaker 2: I went into like secular music. And I'm like, gosh,
Speaker 2: there's too much pressure pressure.
Speaker 1: Hold in my flesh? Are you talking about.
Speaker 2: Confused?
Speaker 1: I was confused? So I hated it.
Speaker 3: Let mesu your question, is there a standout solo moment
Speaker 3: from maybe your mom or your uncle did like you
Speaker 3: can pinpoint to this day that you were like that
Speaker 3: that moment like resonated so crazy with me that it
Speaker 3: made me like go home, and start singing and practicing.
Speaker 2: Let me see a couple of moments because my so
Speaker 2: like my uncle, his aunt, I mean his aunt, his wife,
Speaker 2: my auntie. They preacher, preacher, they like, you know, the
Speaker 2: All Night, seven Day Revival oil already. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you got it. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: It was a lot, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: love him, but it was a lot.
Speaker 2: You as long as it takes, everything will get prayed
Speaker 2: out as long as so it was a lot of that,
Speaker 2: that heavy culture. And so then it would be like
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna preach, you know, I mean, so
Speaker 2: now I gotta preach it. Yeah, you're gonna preach. You're
Speaker 2: gonna stand up here and you're gonna preach the word
Speaker 2: and like, and it would be cool and fun to
Speaker 2: kind of do it in front of family a little
Speaker 2: bit as a little kid. But then they would like
Speaker 2: set up like I'm gonna preach on the like during service,
Speaker 2: and it's like wait, wait, whoa, whoa whoa wait a minute,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't I didn't sign up for that. And
Speaker 2: then uh so those moments of having to preach something
Speaker 2: about the audience and then they like come on, now,
Speaker 2: come on, like you better kill it. The energy is
Speaker 2: like this is best to be encouragement, but it's like
Speaker 2: you better kill it, right, I get exactly And that's
Speaker 2: when I learned very early on like what church was.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, this is a performance. This is
Speaker 2: a performance. And that actually made me to your point
Speaker 2: of want to go home and practice, but to not
Speaker 2: want to be good there. I was like, I'd rather
Speaker 2: go do it where Michael Jackson is doing it because
Speaker 2: it just looked more fun and he get to make
Speaker 2: videos and Prince get to do all kind of cool
Speaker 2: ship and the bad bitches on the back of a motorcycle.
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to do it there. I
Speaker 2: want to get good, to.
Speaker 8: Go do it.
Speaker 1: You were in your flesh maybe.
Speaker 2: Clearly. I just seen him in a little preacher suit
Speaker 2: on the motorcycle with Apolonia on the back because you
Speaker 2: know why, no, no, no, let me let me. I'm
Speaker 2: no listen, Let's stay on Prince for a secon. Let's
Speaker 2: stay on Prince for a second. So imagine, right, this
Speaker 2: is like eighty four the Purple Rain, eighty right, little
Speaker 2: I'm just a jig time come home from church, where
Speaker 2: like the pressure is on because it's pressure to like
Speaker 2: you gotta be holy and don't sin, and the Lord
Speaker 2: is coming back and that was out to kill you
Speaker 2: and just like a lot of that, right, and that's
Speaker 2: cool and you gotta sing now, sing and bring the
Speaker 2: house down. And he's just like I thought, I'm just
Speaker 2: supposed to be singing to the Lord, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you gotta like move the crowd too, Like wait a minute, now,
Speaker 2: imagine that. Then you come home from church and your neighbor,
Speaker 2: one of your best friends' kid, his name is Dario Molina,
Speaker 2: shout out to Poochi. We called him Poochi. He was
Speaker 2: a little older Prince Fan Galore. He had the big
Speaker 2: ass boombox ghetto blaster back in the day with the
Speaker 2: double tape deck right, and he blast in purple rain
Speaker 2: out the window. His window was broke, so he used
Speaker 2: to put the radio in the window to prop up
Speaker 2: the window, and the music be lasting in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Drove my father crazy. We're coming home from church and
Speaker 2: then I'm hearing Darling Nikki and like, you know, computer
Speaker 2: Blue and like Wendy, Yes Lisa is the water warm yet,
Speaker 2: yes Lisa, And like you know what I'm saying and
Speaker 2: I'm the band on Earth and I'm like, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: seven years old, Like what the fuck is that? What
Speaker 2: it feel?
Speaker 9: That feel?
Speaker 1: His word record? Like absolutely listen, absolutely the Lord listeny.
Speaker 2: I'm asking Poochie, like, Brin's that song, Bambie, what is
Speaker 2: that about?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: It's about a lesbian? The fuck? What is a lesbian?
Speaker 2: Like a girl? You know, Bambi is much better than
Speaker 2: you know, better with a man, babb dude, Like I can't, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like what my mind was blown? Like, you know,
Speaker 2: so I had those You probably had to say two worlds.
Speaker 2: It's like you got your foot in this, but then
Speaker 2: it's like, man, you got this whole other sexual nature
Speaker 2: ship boiling up inside of your little by and you don't.
Speaker 1: Know what the fuck to do.
Speaker 3: I just probably I lasted a lot longer than you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I stayed Yeah, I stayed holy until until a
Speaker 3: couple of years out of high school.
Speaker 1: Man, already talking about what you was doing in the
Speaker 1: church basement.
Speaker 2: Man, No, no, I mean you would dabble.
Speaker 1: Don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: You would a week.
Speaker 1: The flesh is weak, You're gonna have cravings.
Speaker 2: But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't truly have the You know, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to get out of the world. Yet I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't have that. I didn't either, but it was
Speaker 2: so I'm speaking from a from a sonic perspective, from
Speaker 2: your music the same thing. The music just moved me different.
Speaker 2: And so it was like in the church world, it
Speaker 2: was well as a child, the way my brain was
Speaker 2: processing it was like, so in church, I have to
Speaker 2: try to like use this music of the Lord to
Speaker 2: make y'all feel something like and if you ain't anointed,
Speaker 2: if you ain't getting the whole, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I was equating that to like, wait, why is
Speaker 2: I don't understand how am I supposed to make y'all feel?
Speaker 8: God?
Speaker 2: I didn't understand I was a child. But then when
Speaker 2: I would hear Prince and Michael Jackson and see the
Speaker 2: videos and see the whole spectacle of it all, even
Speaker 2: Tina Turning What's Love? Got to dude, I'm like that
Speaker 2: music makes me emotional, made me cry, it made me
Speaker 2: I felt it more. I just felt it more. I
Speaker 2: don't know why you call it flesh, call out, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, but that's what spoke to me.
Speaker 2: So it was like, that's what I want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's what I want to do. I don't want
Speaker 2: to do that. For some reason, I don't. I just
Speaker 2: didn't connect to it as much. So I did it
Speaker 2: because I had to, and maybe they had that's where
Speaker 2: the gift came from. But R and B music, I
Speaker 2: don't know that shit called. That shit was like hipnotype
Speaker 2: from a very young age, and they look cool. The
Speaker 2: clothes were cool, the hair was cool. Niggas had perms
Speaker 2: and Jerry curls and could do shit. Michael Jackson was
Speaker 2: magical nigga. The ground would light up when he would
Speaker 2: walk on the ground with Billy Jean, Like I thought
Speaker 2: this nigga was magic. A little homie of mine his
Speaker 2: name was a Miror. I remember he rode up on
Speaker 2: me one day on his bike and he was like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: he knew I could sing because people would hear me sing.
Speaker 2: I've been rapping and singing in beatboxing and break dancing
Speaker 2: and shit since I was little. Even when my parents
Speaker 2: was like he ain't listening to that music in my house,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I still would do it,
Speaker 2: gravitated towards it. So he was just like you should
Speaker 2: sing for my dad. My dad knows people in New
Speaker 2: York and they might they might be able to get
Speaker 2: you in the music industry. And I wasn't even thinking
Speaker 2: about no music or nothing like that at that time.
Speaker 2: But I ran it to him and his dad at
Speaker 2: a barbershop and sang for his dad. And I remember
Speaker 2: his dad and his dad wasn't at the time. He
Speaker 2: wasn't like no big manager or nothing. He was just
Speaker 2: kind of like a you know, ex dope dealer, just
Speaker 2: hustles and hustle man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But he had to give the gap he was.
Speaker 2: He was the dame. He was that voice. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And he yo, man, little nigga,
Speaker 2: no voice like that, you could make a million dollars.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. He told me that, and I was
Speaker 2: like yeah. He was like yeah, So it's like money girls,
Speaker 2: Prince Michael Jackson, shit, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: Sol Marvin's start he came. He talked to my parents,
Speaker 2: told me we wanted to start working with whatever they like,
Speaker 2: whatever keep you, you know what I mean, out of
Speaker 2: trouble type of thing. You could do that. So I
Speaker 2: just would go to school, come home, do my little
Speaker 2: chores whatever, and could go over Marvin's house and start
Speaker 2: rehearsing and working. So he had me doing little vocal
Speaker 2: lessons and singing Michael Jackson, and like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, He just started putting me through the whole
Speaker 2: you know, little artist development, artist development. And he never
Speaker 2: had no artists before or nothing. He just was a
Speaker 2: hungry just a hungry young nigga. He was only about
Speaker 2: twenty five and I was like fourteen, So shout out
Speaker 2: to Marven two. And then he started taking me to Philly,
Speaker 2: taking me the little talent contests and stuff, and I
Speaker 2: started winning, like I was winning like little first prize,
Speaker 2: little two hundred fifty dollars still five hundred dollars prize,
Speaker 2: and then it, you know, and then I've seen how
Speaker 2: the little girls are screaming, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it was like this is it. Then he started
Speaker 2: taking me to New York, taking me to the Apollo.
Speaker 2: I'll start performing at the Apollo. Showtime at the Apollo,
Speaker 2: I was like special guest performance. Like I would go
Speaker 2: on like after amateur night. They would do the Amateur
Speaker 2: night and then they'd be like, now we have a
Speaker 2: special guest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm saying, you never did the show.
Speaker 2: I never did the TV show, but I would go
Speaker 2: like amateur night. Really was like every Wednesday at the
Speaker 2: Apollo Theater, you know what I mean. And then they
Speaker 2: started doing the TV show. But I was like just
Speaker 2: going straight to the Apollo and just performing at the Apollo,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And when you know, in
Speaker 2: the little Jerry Carroll lady, she would be there, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, she in the front row, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Martin Marvin got me made this uh motherfucking red sequence
Speaker 2: jacket sequence red early early. I was early early.
Speaker 1: I didn't even understand that.
Speaker 2: I'm like sequence Marvin like hit that when the light
Speaker 2: spotlight it is, you know what I mean. So, and
Speaker 2: Marvin was a fly. He was fly, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, always was fly. He knew how to So
Speaker 2: it's like I learned. I learned that swagger from him,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then so I started
Speaker 2: doing that, started performing. He started taking me around and
Speaker 2: we started getting traction, and and I was going to
Speaker 2: New York all the time, going to studio sessions, and
Speaker 2: I really started falling in love with the process of
Speaker 2: making songs. You know, walking in the studio and there's nothing,
Speaker 2: and then like after a few hours there's something. That
Speaker 2: whole concept to me was mind blowing. And Marvin would
Speaker 2: be like, Ryan, you could write like he would hear
Speaker 2: little songs, little raps. I had a little whatever. I
Speaker 2: wasn't writing those stuff in the beginning, but he was like,
Speaker 2: you should focus on your writing. And I didn't even understand.
Speaker 2: I don't think so I just got a little song.
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm telling you, Ryan, you got a gift.
Speaker 2: You need to folks. You should focus on your writing.
Speaker 2: So he planted that seed to me early, and then
Speaker 2: I just fell in love with that process. Man Like,
Speaker 2: like I said, people with studio equipment was amazing to me.
Speaker 2: All these buttons and knobs and this and that and
Speaker 2: what this doing? Compression?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It looked like you in a rocket shit. You know,
Speaker 2: even if it was in somebody's basement or in somebody's bedroom,
Speaker 2: it's still you know. So that was always fired to me.
Speaker 2: And we started cutting, you know, started recording little songs
Speaker 2: and ship like that, and then we just kept getting
Speaker 2: more and more traction and Marvin He he was cold
Speaker 2: man because he was the type of nigga he'll run
Speaker 2: down on anybody. He don't give a fuck. We would
Speaker 2: just go to New York and post up outside the
Speaker 2: record labels, wait for people to come outside.
Speaker 1: Everybody needs a Marvin Man.
Speaker 2: Run up on him. Hey man.
Speaker 1: He talked his fast.
Speaker 2: He from Harlem, his whole family from Harlem, and they
Speaker 2: was they was big dogs in Harlem. And he comes
Speaker 2: from a long line of like you know, big niggas.
Speaker 2: So even like he you know some of his like
Speaker 2: you know people, They was like funding my little project
Speaker 2: and it was it was lit like I was like,
Speaker 2: so I fell in love with it real, yeah, what
Speaker 2: it is exactly so that that whole life, you know
Speaker 2: it just I started to love it. It was keeping
Speaker 2: me out of trouble. My parents was happy, and I
Speaker 2: was learning about myself. The music was sounding fire. Marvels
Speaker 2: like a father to me. His two sons was like
Speaker 2: family to me. His mom was you know, I was
Speaker 2: with them all the time, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 2: so yeah, we started recording. He would run down on people,
Speaker 2: get people's numbers, make me sing right, hit the thing right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, subway whatever, walking down the
Speaker 2: street me in New York, in Manhattan, anywhere, hit it
Speaker 2: hit that thing. Mary and I used to hate it
Speaker 2: because it was still triggered at like stage right there.
Speaker 2: But I don't know Marvel's I don't know Marvel's cool.
Speaker 2: So he was flying, so it was like I ain't
Speaker 2: want to let him down, so I just would do it.
Speaker 2: It was more fun with him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And my parents was letting me hang with this nag
Speaker 2: like he was older, he was cool, he had girls.
Speaker 1: Say he had motion. Yeah, yeah, he had motion, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I was just I was just getting like a
Speaker 2: real good, a good education in that. And then the
Speaker 2: that's when it started getting more professional. That's when it
Speaker 2: was like, all right, I'm different than my friends, Like
Speaker 2: we go to school together, but like nigga, I'm even
Speaker 2: at like me and Marvin going to New York after lunch,
Speaker 2: I'm out here. Yeah, so I could leave school early,
Speaker 2: and like you know what I mean, teachers was letting
Speaker 2: you know, Marv was signing me out of school, and
Speaker 2: we driving up to New York.
Speaker 1: That was the ship or taking the train.
Speaker 2: That was. It was nothing more fun than that. How
Speaker 2: long does it take you to get a deal or
Speaker 2: do you get the deal? No, I didn't get a deal.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a deal. We started working with this
Speaker 2: this jazz flowertist named Bobby Humphrey, right, She was managing artists.
Speaker 2: She started working with Marvin. They started like co managing me.
Speaker 2: So it was like levels, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So Marv started making more better connections and then we
Speaker 2: ended up meeting. I did sing with This is a
Speaker 2: funny story. One day we had a meeting with Gerald Busby, right,
Speaker 2: So we go to Motown. We had a meeting with
Speaker 2: Jerrold and I think I forget the name of the
Speaker 2: guy that was right up under him.
Speaker 6: So we in the meeting Motown or the MC at
Speaker 6: the time, because if the guy that was under him
Speaker 6: at that time, would.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was Motown because it wasn't bivten
Speaker 2: with Motown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a funny story.
Speaker 2: We was in this meeting and this is when we
Speaker 2: was going around the different labels. We was going around
Speaker 2: the we met when Max Goo said giant, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, so we was going to different labels. That was
Speaker 1: our thing.
Speaker 2: We would go to labels. We would get Mark, you know,
Speaker 2: get his get a little meeting situation set up, go
Speaker 2: in the office, and I would do my thing. But
Speaker 2: we never had no real demo, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We never you know, we didn't have no real demo.
Speaker 2: So they'd be like, man, won't you get some songs,
Speaker 2: some real songs recorded on them and come back and then,
Speaker 2: you know, because so that way they could play my
Speaker 2: music for their bosses and stuff. Because Marvels just gutted
Speaker 2: with it. Nah, he gonna come in and he just
Speaker 2: gonna sing that ship and y'all gonna love it. But
Speaker 2: that wasn't it. Never really like us, Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 2: the process. But this one particular time, the ain't our guy,
Speaker 2: I forget his name. He was under Jerl Busby. He
Speaker 2: walked out the office. So me and Marv sitting there
Speaker 2: and we sitting there by the sid. He like, fell us,
Speaker 2: I'll be right back, So he leaves. So Marv like,
Speaker 2: watch the door. Ryan.
Speaker 1: I was like, what he's like, watch the door?
Speaker 2: So he got me onna look out. Marv goes around
Speaker 2: the desk and goes through the niggas rolodex and start
Speaker 2: writing down numbers This is how Cole marv was. He
Speaker 2: going through the rolodecks. Write down the number, write down
Speaker 2: the number right out right down there. Get he gets
Speaker 2: Michael Bivens's number, write that ship down. Niggas start hitting
Speaker 2: up Michael Biverins, Yeah, man, what's up?
Speaker 8: Mike?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't remember I met you at the you
Speaker 2: remember it was at that party. I forget who party
Speaker 2: it was. Remember you told me, man, you could bring
Speaker 2: my artist. Mike Like, what's your name again?
Speaker 1: Like mar this is like Michael Vinnins. This is that
Speaker 1: like this Marvin exactly.
Speaker 2: He like this is at the height like.
Speaker 1: Big ten ABC.
Speaker 9: Sign.
Speaker 2: Mind you graduated from he graduated with my brothers. So
Speaker 2: like I'm fully aware of like yo, this right. He
Speaker 2: talks Mike Michael Bivens into letting us pull up on
Speaker 2: him at some restaurant in New York. Go to the restaurant.
Speaker 2: He like, man, I don't remember you, man, I mean,
Speaker 2: it don't even matter. Man, this is my artist. Ryan.
Speaker 7: He definitely do that to us, for sure, for sure,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean saying for Michael Rivers in
Speaker 7: the restaurant.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike was he was like he said he
Speaker 2: would have signed me. He was like, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: keep it real with you. He's like, if I sign
Speaker 2: you now, you're not coming out for like another two
Speaker 2: years because I got, you know, some other people in
Speaker 2: the lineup. He was like, when I signed boys Men
Speaker 2: was signed for like two years before he dropped, So
Speaker 2: you know, just little stories like that, like and then
Speaker 2: we was doing all of that for a while, and
Speaker 2: then we landed in the office of Kenny Ortiz, who
Speaker 2: was an R at RCA Records. So Kenny was like
Speaker 2: he was he was fucking with me heavy. But at
Speaker 2: the time he was like, man, I got this this
Speaker 2: young girl group called STBV. I'm working on them, you know,
Speaker 2: and these three little black girls sitting on the couch.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, How you done? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He's like, yeah, I'm working on their
Speaker 2: project right now, developing these said yeah, you know, he
Speaker 2: was at the time developing these young producers called the Neptunes,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so Kenny, he said, all.
Speaker 2: Right, just how we knew we was we was getting somewhere.
Speaker 2: Kenny was like, you need a professional demo. So he says,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna sign you to a demo deal. You
Speaker 2: remember demo deal. So he signs me to a demo deal,
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred dollars, gave us twenty five hundred dollars. Said,
Speaker 2: I want y'all to go make a demo. Go record
Speaker 2: some songs, some professional producers, some professional writers, whatever, whatever, Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: He sends us to Patterson, New Jersey. We go work
Speaker 2: with a production crew. I think they were called black
Speaker 2: Hand black Hand Productions. We go to the studio. Preachers
Speaker 2: of the said, yeah, we got got our writer coming in.
Speaker 2: He's gonna write you, you know, write the song for you.
Speaker 2: Writer walks in the name something. My name's Joe. Joe
Speaker 2: wrote my first demo. Wow, wow, wow, young fresh face,
Speaker 2: young fresh face, and his name is just Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just Joe, yeah right, just young fresh face, cold ass singer.
Speaker 2: He write the joint references it. I go in there.
Speaker 2: I sing. Also learned too that that that game of
Speaker 2: like you know, the song ain't yours, little nigga, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? I learned that game and learn
Speaker 2: that rule real fast too.
Speaker 1: You watch something from your demo, go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I mean that song that Yeah, my demo record was
Speaker 2: on his album that next.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, because yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I actually I fell in love with
Speaker 2: that part of the game. I want to do that.
Speaker 2: And I always knew that early too. I was like
Speaker 2: it because because of the stage fright that I carried
Speaker 2: when I would meet the Joel's, the Gerald Busby's, the
Speaker 2: you know, the different the Divante's and you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I was like, I want to be that guy.
Speaker 2: I want to be the guy on the other side
Speaker 2: of the desk. I don't want to be the nervous
Speaker 2: artist that got to sing and make you like me.
Speaker 2: I want to be the nigga that swivel around in
Speaker 2: the chair with you know, with the jewel and what something.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: They like what you're doing.
Speaker 2: They all talk like this, you know, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know what I mean, what you got is good.
Speaker 1: But like I was like, what is that tune? Executive niggas?
Speaker 2: You know, they fresh they got on like the you
Speaker 2: know the night.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 2: You know, I love I love what we was doing.
Speaker 2: But it's like, man, you go to these big offices,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and I'm just like the
Speaker 2: artists trying to like I was like, fuck, that ship up.
Speaker 2: I want to be that guy everywhere you're always auditioning. Yah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you always gotta write. And I was like, so that
Speaker 2: started welling up in me and with Marvin saying you
Speaker 2: can be that because you can write, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. And then like you know, even how you
Speaker 2: know the young Joey walking to they just got a
Speaker 2: certain bot to it, like I'm here to make make you,
Speaker 2: make you nice. It's like, damn, how do I be
Speaker 2: the guy that makes somebody nice? He's sitting at the
Speaker 2: board forty eight track, you know what I mean, sitting
Speaker 2: at the SSL And it's always about that swivel around
Speaker 2: in that chair when they swivel around.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did. I couldn't wait to.
Speaker 2: Childhood all the time.
Speaker 1: I got this.
Speaker 2: I swivel.
Speaker 1: Got to say it like you know, that tone of voice.
Speaker 2: It was the swivel, It was the way it was
Speaker 2: the nonchalant like I do this all day. You know,
Speaker 2: you're like the tenth artists that's coming. The manager is
Speaker 2: like begging me to you know, everybody's begging me to
Speaker 2: let some of the magic. Some of the magic.
Speaker 7: Guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I wanted to be that. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be that you said, I wish I had more time.
Speaker 1: I wish even even the Michael bibbins like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: could work with you.
Speaker 2: But it was just like, Yo, these niggas are so
Speaker 2: fucking what the do they have?
Speaker 8: Like what is that?
Speaker 2: I want that thing that they got, you know, and
Speaker 2: this is in the nineties, so this is like the
Speaker 2: dawn of like the black hocket. This is the Puffy era.
Speaker 2: Now you know what I mean. It's not just stuffy dudes,
Speaker 2: but it's not a young are the Michael Michael because
Speaker 2: he was he was the poor He was Puff before Puff,
Speaker 2: that's a fact.
Speaker 1: Mike Bibb was the guy to fly.
Speaker 2: So so whatever that young black power figure that's from
Speaker 2: my era that looked like me. That's hip hop but
Speaker 2: he's corporate somehow or.
Speaker 1: Executive, but hip hop but young. And you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, I just I want that.
Speaker 9: I need that.
Speaker 2: I wanted that more than I wanted the stage, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So but obviously to get there
Speaker 2: with my route, it was like I was going to
Speaker 2: stage route, which was fine. So moving from there after
Speaker 2: Kenny saw me, we did the little demo and then
Speaker 2: Boom a year later, those three little Black Girls had
Speaker 2: the hottest song on the radio. Mind you when we
Speaker 2: after the Michael Bivens meeting, Michael he invited us to
Speaker 2: his birthday party that night. So we go to Michael
Speaker 2: Bivens's birthday party and like all the celebrities, you know,
Speaker 2: everybody there that's you know, the heavy ds and the
Speaker 2: Sherry Carters and Donnie Simpson's and boys, the men and
Speaker 2: grand Poobas. What's up shorty? Yeah, I'm fourteen years old?
Speaker 2: Mind you in this club and this party, Marvin, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. A Grandpooba from Brand Nubians.
Speaker 1: Is like, so sure, are you having a good time?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool? Okay.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, come here, I want you
Speaker 1: to meet somebody.
Speaker 2: It's my home girl. Her name Mary. She's a singer too.
Speaker 2: Hey how you doing okay, little black girl named Mary.
Speaker 2: A year later, like so when I started, I was like,
Speaker 2: what is this magical that happens where it's like you
Speaker 2: meet somebody, it's just they, And then a year later
Speaker 2: it's magic and everybody's young and black and fly and
Speaker 2: the music is incredible. So that was when it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm in it now. This is what we gotta we
Speaker 2: gotta really turn this ship up. And I think it
Speaker 2: was Yeah, Kenny Kenny found out about the auditions for
Speaker 2: Sister that Disney and touched on We're looking for kids
Speaker 2: that singing and dance, and originally they was I was
Speaker 2: just auditioning to be in the just so or background shit.
Speaker 2: And I ain't never acted before. I wasn't thinking about
Speaker 2: no movies or nothing like that. I wanted, you know,
Speaker 2: Tevin Campbell. I wanted to be Tevin Campbell. That was
Speaker 2: another thing too. Everywhere we went, it's like, ah, man,
Speaker 2: you're really dope, but we just signed this kid named Tevin,
Speaker 2: And oh man, you're really dope, but we just signed
Speaker 2: this kid named Jason Weaver.
Speaker 1: So it's like I kept you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So so I'm watching all these little stars and starlets,
Speaker 2: you know what i mean, pop off and h Kenny
Speaker 2: was like, go to this audition. I was like, audition.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be no actor, man, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get a music video, you know, Tevin Campbell. And
Speaker 2: he's like, just go to the audition, try it out.
Speaker 2: You'll see, all right. Cool. I ain't had no agent.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in sag you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But that's how me and Marvin rolled when had ship.
Speaker 2: We never gave a fuck. It was just like we
Speaker 2: just you know, gorilla with it. So they got me
Speaker 2: on the list and I went in there. All these
Speaker 2: kids in there, you know, little actor kids, and you know,
Speaker 2: ready you know, the whole thing, stretching ballet, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck looked like fame somebody, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: And now going to the audition. They even told me,
Speaker 1: like Marvel's.
Speaker 2: Like, listen, if if if if, they're real cold and
Speaker 2: short with you, you know, kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: all right, thank you. Next he was like, you know,
Speaker 2: don't don't take that Noway, just just go in there
Speaker 2: and do your thing, all right? Cool? So I go
Speaker 2: in there. The lady I'll never forget she she was
Speaker 2: sitting at her desk. She had a little tripod set
Speaker 2: up with her camera. She never even looked up at me. Name, okay, age,
Speaker 2: all right, stand on the X. Okay, you got you
Speaker 2: got some line? They had some little generic lines. Read
Speaker 2: the lines, Read the lines. Then she uh, okay, you
Speaker 2: you got a song? You're gonna sing? So I sang
Speaker 2: uh like I said, I feel like you know, I
Speaker 2: feel I say that. I was singing that in in
Speaker 2: Churchill Town, so I sing I feel like going on.
Speaker 1: So that's not just a song from five Part Beats.
Speaker 2: No, I grew up in a different kind of.
Speaker 1: Cooling on different Edi wrote that.
Speaker 2: Man came wrote, shout out to Eddie, shout out to Eddie.
Speaker 2: I sang that song. And and the lady she stopped,
Speaker 2: she stopped the camera, she took her classes off. She
Speaker 2: started crying in the in the audition, and then she
Speaker 2: was like, she said, oh my god, that voice. She said,
Speaker 2: I gotta hug that voice. She come around from the
Speaker 2: desks and the camera, come over to me and hugs
Speaker 2: me tight, crying, oh my god, oh my god, that voice,
Speaker 2: that voice, Oh my god. And so I'm standing there,
Speaker 2: this lady squeezed me, and I'm like, is this how
Speaker 2: auditions go?
Speaker 9: Like oil the oil?
Speaker 2: So yeah, So after that, I think I had about
Speaker 2: seven callbacks, seven callbacks, and the last callback was in
Speaker 2: l A. And mind you, when I'm coming to these callbacks, nigga,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing that Tevin Campbell's coming in Tatiana, Ali like
Speaker 2: all the all the hot motherfucking Tony Thompson from High
Speaker 2: five like the guy. Yeah. So I'm thinking like, oh,
Speaker 2: ain't no way, I'm getting this ship, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And then uh, but no, they kept calling
Speaker 2: me back, and then it got down to the last
Speaker 2: two kids. Was me and this other kid named Chad
Speaker 2: Shepherd who was actually a good friend of mine. And
Speaker 2: during I never forget, like Bill Duke would be coming
Speaker 2: up with the character in the auditions.
Speaker 1: I'd like, do little lines.
Speaker 2: Then they'll huddle Bill Duke and the producers and his
Speaker 2: throw Laune hey man say this. So I'm thinking a
Speaker 2: shot right where we can come down and we can
Speaker 2: do and catch him with the coofy on Like they
Speaker 2: was like developing this character, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And that was going on every audition, and they underknownst
Speaker 2: to me. They were like creating a role for me.
Speaker 2: Then it was like, you know, we was really in
Speaker 2: the game, and and uh, City House started toring like
Speaker 2: crazy and singles and nominated for a Grammy and going
Speaker 2: you know, around the world and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: then uh and then you know, we then we kind
Speaker 2: of hit a pocket where it was like it wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna work no more with the group when we started
Speaker 2: working on the second album, so I decided to just
Speaker 2: fall back on my pen game and me and me
Speaker 2: and drean Dal link back up after like a number
Speaker 2: of years or not not really talking, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Then we linked back up and the first
Speaker 2: song me and Dre did in the studio, the first
Speaker 2: idea was Superstar.
Speaker 1: Hmm, I can already tell what's going to say. I
Speaker 1: don't like you.
Speaker 2: Man, attitude is bad.
Speaker 6: We jumped there though, but did you write the City
Speaker 6: High Records? So you wrote what would you do in Caramel?
Speaker 6: Like the big records?
Speaker 1: From there?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? So I was writing all the songs.
Speaker 1: Wow, I was.
Speaker 2: Writing the songs, you know. And that was what was
Speaker 2: That was one of the things that was problematic in
Speaker 2: the group because if you remember how the group started,
Speaker 2: he was a solo artist. Rob was a solo artist,
Speaker 2: and then I come in as the as the writer.
Speaker 2: And then now your solo deal is now a group deal,
Speaker 2: which seems cool on paper, but it's like then if
Speaker 2: your group member now is you know, clefting them is
Speaker 2: loving me? I could write raps, I could write this,
Speaker 2: and I'm writing, you know, in ten minutes and I'm
Speaker 2: writing her parts Richardson, Yeah, exactly so, and I'm stunting,
Speaker 2: I'm getting money from other things, and I'm coming to
Speaker 2: the studio, you know what i mean, on my little
Speaker 2: baby baby Stevie j. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: but it's like and it was just kind of then
Speaker 2: it's like the animosity started.
Speaker 1: To grow because now you're getting checks from the city
Speaker 1: high stuff.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, just so much when their advances ran out
Speaker 2: from the group, I'm still you know what i mean.
Speaker 2: So then it was like that's when the competition started.
Speaker 2: And that's when it like it was like the animosity started.
Speaker 1: And then uh and then.
Speaker 2: Him, you know, they little that little high school thing.
Speaker 2: That was over because now we're professionals. We in the
Speaker 2: real world, were adults now, so that was over. And
Speaker 2: then like and I'm working with her now and like
Speaker 2: I'm the older one and with the bag and we're
Speaker 2: genuinely cool and I'm like, right, and I called her
Speaker 2: five to five, she five to seven. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: Nave does it doesn't translate.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, sing this five five brown, now,
Speaker 2: do sunrize it? We spend more and more time together
Speaker 2: and so quite naturally, and so that only just built
Speaker 2: more animosity and more drama. And then it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, and I was at an age and stage
Speaker 2: where you know, this is post Omar, like I'm.
Speaker 1: Omar now, I'm I'm the captain, I'm talking.
Speaker 2: You know, it was just different times.
Speaker 1: No, you can't use that as the excuse that it
Speaker 1: was just different.
Speaker 2: No you yeah, I listen, But see that.
Speaker 1: When you're sharing that kind of space and that kind
Speaker 1: of energy, that's different.
Speaker 2: And if and if and and this is the this
Speaker 2: is the big part that people don't understand. Okay, y'all
Speaker 2: are y'all are friends, right, it's my brother Okay, but
Speaker 2: before y'all became brothers and y'all knew each other, Like,
Speaker 2: did y'all immediately become brothers or where y'all working for
Speaker 2: a while for each other? Now, Okay, so that ain't
Speaker 2: the case for everybody for sure. Sometimes it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: I know you, you know me. You know you're not
Speaker 2: like that with everybody in the game, right, No.
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, because you were in a group you didn't
Speaker 6: ultimately even want to be in in the beginning. No, right, right, circumstances,
Speaker 6: and even the whole plan was always like no, this
Speaker 6: was like during the making the band era, So it's like,
Speaker 6: what would just do, Like I'm making the band situation,
Speaker 6: y'all get together.
Speaker 1: That was kind of like always the plan. They always
Speaker 1: promised that, and not for nothing.
Speaker 2: But it's like if if you sort of like begged
Speaker 2: me to be in this situation, this group with you,
Speaker 2: and then you we put the girl in the group,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't really think this is a
Speaker 2: good idea.
Speaker 1: It's like no, Na, Na, it'll be fine, it'll be fine,
Speaker 1: And then you're.
Speaker 2: Out of pocket all the time because now you can't
Speaker 2: handle the pressure of being on the same team with
Speaker 2: somebody who's doing more, and so now you taking every
Speaker 2: opportunity to wow out whenever the fuck you want to,
Speaker 2: and Eddie Kane whenever you want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you's definitely you see what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's definitely nothing you can build on that.
Speaker 2: Like what then? The only reason I guess I was
Speaker 2: asking y'all because I'm like, all right, y'all are brother,
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit different. But even in a
Speaker 2: brother situation, imagine if one of y'all. Let's if he
Speaker 2: was like out of pocket all the time with his
Speaker 2: lady and you like, bro, like yo, mo, fuck that nigga.
Speaker 2: Fuck that nigga. Fuck you too, cause how.
Speaker 3: Many times do you put up with that before you say,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that you don't have to deal with.
Speaker 2: That no more. I'm just saying, like, I mean, nah nigga,
Speaker 2: because you know, nigga drinking every day and like the
Speaker 2: studio and like I'm the one writing all the songs.
Speaker 2: Watch my chair swiffle.
Speaker 1: Eventually the chair swivels, Eventually the chair swifvels.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't even honestly, it wasn't even really. But
Speaker 2: it's just one of them things. And I've been dealing
Speaker 2: with it for so many years and people so it's
Speaker 2: kind of like, well, Bill, well what do you want
Speaker 2: to do? Like what am I supposed to do? What's
Speaker 2: supposed to happen? Like I think you did, But if
Speaker 2: you was already being like it's like if I don't
Speaker 2: have countless conversations with you, if I'm like, bro, like
Speaker 2: you're doing too much. My nigga, y'all met when she
Speaker 2: was sixteen years old. The group popped off like she
Speaker 2: was like seventeen eighteen years old. Like what you're wild,
Speaker 2: my nigga. You don't treat no little girl like that.
Speaker 2: You blacking out on her at parties, cussing around in
Speaker 2: front of everybody, You're getting drunk. The nigga was a
Speaker 2: cold piece of work way before the group. Don't let
Speaker 2: the intervention show fool you. You feel what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's the part that I would always save and
Speaker 2: just be like, you know what, I'll just take the
Speaker 2: scarlet letter. I'll be the bad guy. It's fine. I
Speaker 2: ain't you know what I'm saying, but like that's just
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter. Like you're doing too much, bro,
Speaker 2: And I'm just not that. I ain't gonna be. I
Speaker 2: wasn't raised like that. I got five older brothers, my nigga,
Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying, I'm raising a whole nother culture.
Speaker 2: So me and you be different. And I'm just like
Speaker 2: and if we and if you can't handle the pressure,
Speaker 2: just say you can't handle the pressure, nigga, Like then, bro,
Speaker 2: you like you outshining me. And it's like, nah, fuck
Speaker 2: that fuck that nigga. Like you you're talking to me
Speaker 2: like I wasn't already doing like I wasn't already working
Speaker 2: before I even met you, like you acting like I
Speaker 2: need I don't don't. I don't need this clearly right.
Speaker 2: So it was just that, and I try to just
Speaker 2: stay as cool and as friendly as possible. And then
Speaker 2: after a while it just gets to a point where
Speaker 2: I mean, you're leaving her at the studio we at
Speaker 2: Kleff Studio and East Orange like that's the hood, bro
Speaker 2: like and you bouncing and driving and leaving.
Speaker 1: Fuck that ride home with Ryan?
Speaker 2: How many nice is she gonna ride? My mama told me.
Speaker 2: You know, my mama used to say, don't mix your
Speaker 2: homeboys and your girlfriend. You keep them separate. You understand
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because human beings are just human beings.
Speaker 2: And the more you get the mixing in, and the
Speaker 2: more they start to feel a little too comfortable around
Speaker 2: each other. You understand what I'm saying. Things can happen,
Speaker 2: Feelings can occur. You understand what I mean, Especially if
Speaker 2: you out of pocket, any woman is gonna start leaning
Speaker 2: on your bro little one keep and you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's cool, but I'll talk to him. No, he can't
Speaker 2: be more like you and we in the studio all
Speaker 2: the time, and we making hit records together. And I'm
Speaker 2: older and like more mature, how many I mean, what
Speaker 2: am I supposed to do? What was supposed to happen?
Speaker 2: So and y'all, I mean I didn't take her, You
Speaker 2: let her go, dropped your time, and I mean, I
Speaker 2: honestly I don't regret it.
Speaker 1: We had a beautiful life together.
Speaker 2: I married her, I fell in love like it ain't
Speaker 2: like a running dunder smuttered, y're out like na, Bro,
Speaker 2: Like we was young, We was traveling the world. We
Speaker 2: was having this experience and Bro was in a space
Speaker 2: in his life where he was just on his He
Speaker 2: was on his eddy. Came a nigga. It was like
Speaker 2: and so I mean, we was all wilding and having
Speaker 2: fun being young, you know, rock and roll life. But
Speaker 2: it's like he his was like a lot different. So
Speaker 2: after a while, it just kind of just happened that
Speaker 2: the more time she and I spent together, and you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it was organic and it happened.
Speaker 2: And I mean I apologize for me and him then
Speaker 2: fought backstage about it. We don't you know, rowed up
Speaker 2: and broke CRD together about it. Like we done did
Speaker 2: all that already, so I don't have no regrets. She
Speaker 2: and I had a beautiful family too, beautiful kids, Like
Speaker 2: we're still good friends like so, but you know, it
Speaker 2: just is what it is. And especially back then I
Speaker 2: was at I was at a space of my life
Speaker 2: where you know, I was I was kind of on
Speaker 2: one too in that regard, like you're not just going
Speaker 2: to like keep disrespecting me like that, bro, and like
Speaker 2: not showing up to the studio, so just me and
Speaker 2: her at the studio.
Speaker 1: So a second album never happened.
Speaker 2: It just got to a point where it was like, well,
Speaker 2: we can't keep doing this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then if me and her was gonna be together
Speaker 2: and like it's like, let's just it just is what
Speaker 2: it is. It was just one of those situations. So
Speaker 2: and then it was.
Speaker 1: Funny because then years later.
Speaker 2: He's on TV telling like this whole other story, like
Speaker 2: like they was like just these happy love birds, and
Speaker 2: like I just came in and did, like, nigga, that
Speaker 2: ain't what happened. Tell him about the Turner ship and
Speaker 2: all that ed it came shit, Tell him about all
Speaker 2: that other shit, my nigga, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it's all good now. The album never happened. She
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it no more. She was pregnant
Speaker 2: with our first son, and uh, and at that point
Speaker 2: it was like, all right, well, I'm riding with my shorty.
Speaker 2: And then it was like, you know, the group was
Speaker 2: over pretty much. And then, like I said, me and
Speaker 2: Dre have reconnected, y'all moved back.
Speaker 1: So y'all moved to Philly.
Speaker 2: No no, no, I lived in Miami at the time,
Speaker 2: but we were recording the second album in New York. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: And we were according the second album in New York.
Speaker 1: And then also to like the.
Speaker 2: Second album wasn't really sounding like we you know, like
Speaker 2: there was there was something, there was something organic to
Speaker 2: the music that Robbie and I was creating together because
Speaker 2: Robbie's he's a great producer, musician and everything. You know,
Speaker 2: when he's focused, you know what I'm saying, Like, and
Speaker 2: so we was cooking up like like he produced what
Speaker 2: would you do? You know what I mean? Why why?
Speaker 2: Cleff and them told us like, nah, but uh, you
Speaker 2: should put my name on as producer because so the
Speaker 2: DJs will play it. And we were like, oh okay.
Speaker 2: I was like, but you can't. You can't take my
Speaker 2: publisher though. He's like no, no, no, no, you keep
Speaker 2: your publishing. But so then I learnedable lesson about credit. Credit,
Speaker 2: credit is everything. He was like, no, you can keep
Speaker 2: the publishing. Need the credit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So he was like all right, he was like, Plus,
Speaker 2: you know, like Funk Flex and all these DJs in
Speaker 2: New York, they'll respect it more if we're walking in
Speaker 2: there with a record that say, produced by White Cleft
Speaker 2: but an actuality. Yeah, yeah, Robbie produced that. We did
Speaker 2: that record in his bedroom. Me and Robbie did that.
Speaker 2: And Robbie is he's super talented. But just it just
Speaker 2: things got him focused. And so that was that and
Speaker 2: uh and uh, you know what's funny, that was the
Speaker 2: reason why I didn't want to, like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be in a group with a nigga and his
Speaker 2: girlfriend because then if anything happened with them, and then
Speaker 2: now I'm in the middle, and it was like it's
Speaker 2: almost like it played out exactly was exactly how I
Speaker 2: thought it would, you know what I mean, good, bad, whatever,
Speaker 2: and different. It's a part of the story. It is
Speaker 2: what it is. But everybody's okay. Now, everybody's happy and
Speaker 2: healthy now and it's all good. But yeah, so the
Speaker 2: album wasn't so we were going in to record the
Speaker 2: second album at that point, Like Robbie wasn't even coming
Speaker 2: to the studio like that no more, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And he started making money. He had his
Speaker 2: own little crew friends, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: was living in Miami, like I had my own little
Speaker 2: crew for now. We you know, it was like that
Speaker 2: new addition shit, like you know what I mean. We
Speaker 2: went from all riding in the same bus together, now
Speaker 2: we got six different busses, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like your classic group split after
Speaker 2: success story. And then, uh, it was during that time
Speaker 2: Drey and I reconnected because there was a time where
Speaker 2: you know, I was off doing city high and they
Speaker 2: were off being Dre and Vidal. So we had lost
Speaker 2: contact for a while, and when we reconnected, Dre was like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: I got this new crib, you know, twenty third and
Speaker 2: Walnut got this loft. Man, come link, let's just link
Speaker 2: up how we used to when we were just like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, just get up, just me
Speaker 2: and you bro, let's link up like we used to.
Speaker 2: So I go and he was like, come stay at
Speaker 2: the crib. So I go stay at his house in Philly.
Speaker 2: And literally the first night he's showing me the crib
Speaker 2: and then he showing me the studio and then he
Speaker 2: started working with the ASR and banging, hitting, sounding different samples,
Speaker 2: and then he had do do do bo do do
Speaker 2: do do domn down down down on that.
Speaker 1: Then he started going through other sound boom.
Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, no, no, no no no. I
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, no, go back to that one.
Speaker 2: Which one? This one here bump bump bump doom bom
Speaker 2: bom bom b. I was like, that's it right there, Bro,
Speaker 2: Like you sure I got more ship though I got
Speaker 2: you know, nah that one. He's like, all right, looped
Speaker 2: it up, cooked up a little bit to it, and
Speaker 2: uh he gave me the gave me the I had
Speaker 2: a he had this little eight track digital recorder, only
Speaker 2: had like eight faders on it. This was you know,
Speaker 2: pre poor tools. So I went up there. I went
Speaker 2: up in the loft. He had this cool little loft
Speaker 2: space in the in this apartment. Went up there with
Speaker 2: that eight district eight track recorder and uh handheld. Sure, Oh.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, the Superstar challenges on your demo.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, all right, yeah yeah yeah levels. Yeah I
Speaker 2: heard your stuff man, Yeah yeah yeah, that's so I said,
Speaker 2: did the did the reference right there Dre's crib Dre
Speaker 2: was then Dre said, Yo, this would be fire for Usher.
Speaker 2: He said that, and I was like, you thinks So
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, he said, La reeve been fucking with us,
Speaker 2: you know, fucking with me and dal He was like,
Speaker 2: this will be crazy for Usher. And funny thing is
Speaker 2: this was in between eighty seven and one. Usher was
Speaker 2: kind of quiet at the moment, and justin Timberlake was
Speaker 2: going was you know what I mean, going crazy? And
Speaker 2: so I was even thinking. I was like, Usher, you
Speaker 2: sure like just you know, because Usher was quiet at
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm telling you. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: all right, bro?
Speaker 9: Cool?
Speaker 2: You know. He sends it to l A Read I
Speaker 2: guess however, that worked out in about two weeks later,
Speaker 2: like yo, La Read one flies to Atlanta and we
Speaker 2: got to Atlanta. Usher was not fucking with us, boy,
Speaker 2: that was nah. Usher wasn't fucking with us for like
Speaker 2: a good week like. It took us a minute to
Speaker 2: win him over, cause he ain't know us. He's like,
Speaker 2: who these niggas? You know what I mean? And I
Speaker 2: think he was he was also I think he told me.
Speaker 2: He told me later on he was like he just
Speaker 2: was like in a space where you know, he got
Speaker 2: justin Timberlake, cracking off kind of like doing his ship,
Speaker 2: you feel what I'm saying, and he's getting all this
Speaker 2: like I remember Justin had to cover a rolling stone.
Speaker 2: I think it said the new King of Pop, now
Speaker 2: you feel.
Speaker 1: What I mean? And so, you know, Usher was like,
Speaker 1: what like like the competition, like all this work I've.
Speaker 2: Been putting in, and he you're like, man, like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: like all the dancing and all the you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like he like, man, you know, so us
Speaker 2: it was feeling some type of way and he just
Speaker 2: was in this space. He was a little stand offish
Speaker 2: and it took us a minute to get him to
Speaker 2: warm up to us, but he finally warmed up to us.
Speaker 2: He didn't like Caught Up at all. He didn't like
Speaker 2: that record at all. He didn't like call Up. No,
Speaker 2: he didn't like that song at all at all. That's
Speaker 2: crazy he's like, I mean, it's cool. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Caught up like that was like Philly slang. At that time,
Speaker 2: nobody even talked like that. That was like some Philly
Speaker 2: shit like oh, she got you caught up, she got
Speaker 2: you caught up. He was like, we don't talk like
Speaker 2: that in a shot. We don't talk like that. So
Speaker 2: it was we kept playing it for him, working on
Speaker 2: it a little more, playing it because he cut, he
Speaker 2: cut Superstar, and then you know, we was like, all right,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do some more. And then he was like
Speaker 2: he was like, man, I need something I could dance too.
Speaker 2: And then he left. He left the studio. So Medre
Speaker 2: and down Pooper, we all put our heads together and
Speaker 2: was like, we need to get something with some temple,
Speaker 2: like some Michael Jackson shit, like three changes like versus
Speaker 2: one thing and then the hook go somewhere, you know,
Speaker 2: the three the stink movements, you know. And we cooked
Speaker 2: the song up, wrote it, I referenced it, and uh,
Speaker 2: he came back heard it. He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He was hard man, he was not. He wasn't fucking
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: It took us a minute. We took us a minute.
Speaker 2: We kept playing it over and over again. Remember Mark
Speaker 2: Pitts was Mark Pitts pulled me outside the room in
Speaker 2: the hallway at the studio. Was like, nigga, you know
Speaker 2: something I learned from Puffy. He was like, Man, I
Speaker 2: learned this is show business, nigga. He was like, and
Speaker 2: the show don't start when you hit the stage. Like
Speaker 2: the show start now. He's like, man, that was Pete
Speaker 2: Diddy in that room. Right now, he'll be standing on
Speaker 2: the SSL horn, champagne on your head talking about playboy.
Speaker 2: You ain't fucking with this play boy. You ain't with
Speaker 2: this playboy, tzy plake boy. Nigga, ain't trying to get money.
Speaker 1: You ain't trying to get money.
Speaker 2: So Mark was like, man, I don't care what you
Speaker 2: need to do. If you need to order some bottles,
Speaker 2: calls some mention, whatever you need to do. You need
Speaker 2: to sell this record. Wow, wow, come on, Yeah, Mark
Speaker 2: gave me the.
Speaker 1: Game in your pursuit to.
Speaker 3: Two double diamonds, be prince to be prince uh to
Speaker 3: liking the women folk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Is the motivation to this thing. Man, Like the money
Speaker 1: is cool, and we don't get into this thing for
Speaker 1: the money. That you get into this R and B
Speaker 1: thing for the woman that started.
Speaker 2: I started young.
Speaker 1: They tell you they heard yourself. Where you going with you?
Speaker 2: Playboy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm about to pull that Champagne that publish that,
Speaker 6: imagine it Champagne and public Corn.
Speaker 2: In the studio.
Speaker 9: Top five, your top five, Top five, your top.
Speaker 5: Singer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, R and B songs, Yeah, already.
Speaker 3: You've written some m Dombo Nman you got up, you
Speaker 3: got it song you got yeah?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Top.
Speaker 8: Fi, Ryan Toby, Yes, sir, let me lean in your
Speaker 8: top five R and B artists.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and Prince are at the top. Is that
Speaker 2: one and two or one and one? I used to
Speaker 2: wish that Michael Jackson played an instrument and I used
Speaker 2: to wish that Prince could dance like Michael.
Speaker 6: It kind of evens them out, though it does to
Speaker 6: a certain degree. Lauren Hill really put me.
Speaker 2: Up on Stevie Wonder, like deep cut Stevie, You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So Stevie Wonder, Yeah, I feel like Steve.
Speaker 2: I discovered Stevie and Donnie Hathaway at the same time,
Speaker 2: so they hold uh similar position for me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Michael Prince, Stevie Donnie is like yeah, that's like, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just do four and then the fifth one,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about the females. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: throw Lauren Hill as number five. When am I gonna
Speaker 2: argue with you? Bar you up? I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I don't really know who one of one? All right?
Speaker 2: Your top five? Yeah, R and B songs millions by
Speaker 2: the like, I still listen to that. Now. There's so
Speaker 2: many commission songs, but like a commission running back to
Speaker 2: you was very affected me.
Speaker 3: I've been buying the commission for like, yeah, the last
Speaker 3: few weeks, just like tapping tapping back into my Mitchell
Speaker 3: Jones come back, yes, really tapping into my I am
Speaker 3: here and the.
Speaker 2: Old me, and those tones are what shaped us like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I'll go there. Then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go where we at. Number three, Let me
Speaker 2: go with like Prince beautiful ones.
Speaker 9: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And then number four maybe love you for life, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Number five go listen to that, right let me number five,
Speaker 10: I'm trying to blink and I should sing it all
Speaker 10: the time. I'll circle back to it.
Speaker 2: It'll come back to me. That will be number five.
Speaker 2: These are songs that like I'll still go listen to,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean for me? So my
Speaker 2: top five isn't necessarily the most popular songs. It's your
Speaker 2: top five. Yeah yeah here t yeah, I already know
Speaker 2: my vote.
Speaker 1: Tr okay, no no, no no.
Speaker 2: So with Voltron, because I watched on other episodes, it
Speaker 2: would you how many is it you're taking four artists
Speaker 2: to build one? Build one? See? Okay, My Voltron is
Speaker 2: a little different. I would do a Voltron with Jodasy
Speaker 2: minus Dalvin, with young Tank fucked up like that, because
Speaker 2: I will I wonder I always wonder what Jodasy would
Speaker 2: sound like with three singers.
Speaker 1: I know what they sounded like with two.
Speaker 2: And I always looked at Boys of Men like they
Speaker 2: had more singers, more like lead singers, so that whole
Speaker 2: boys the men Jodasy thing was always like dang and
Speaker 2: the Dalvin Davante was you know, the cold producer or whatever,
Speaker 2: and Dalvin was, you know, brought what he brought to
Speaker 2: the table as well. But like I'm like like knowing,
Speaker 2: like like you know how you saying, And I wondered
Speaker 2: like just like three like dark skinned, fucking singing ass
Speaker 2: like church ass niggas, Like I want to hear that ship,
Speaker 2: Like what because I know you could get off with
Speaker 2: the production. That would be like Diary of a Mad
Speaker 2: Band Jodasy to let me be clear, Diary of a
Speaker 2: Mad Band Jodas. It's like, yeah, yeah, young Tank, that's
Speaker 2: what my dream. That's where I would do. I don't
Speaker 2: really care about nobody else. I'll be like, I want
Speaker 2: to see what that group sound like if a third
Speaker 2: nigga could come in and.
Speaker 1: Get actually a group. Yeah, yeah, I love it though.
Speaker 1: It's all those things though. It's it's the voice, it's
Speaker 1: the styling, and you.
Speaker 2: Produce and you play so too, like like what does
Speaker 2: that look like?
Speaker 11: Like like if Davante's on guitar and your old kids,
Speaker 11: it's like what the fuck is happening and you're singing
Speaker 11: and these niggas singing and then like you got the
Speaker 11: one verse segment and then you coming on the I
Speaker 11: don't know, like I just think that SHI would have
Speaker 11: been super raw.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That is that a reach?
Speaker 2: No, that's nuts. That's sign right there.
Speaker 12: That's we got a man with a lot of stories,
Speaker 12: man live whoa whoa, I.
Speaker 5: Ain't saying no nick. I ain't saying no names, no names,
Speaker 5: don't say I ain't saying no.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So this segment, it's part of the show. It's called
Speaker 6: I ain't saying no names. Will you tell us a story? Ooh,
Speaker 6: funny or fucked up? We are funny and fucked up.
Speaker 2: Dang.
Speaker 6: I got a good one in the Travels Ryan Toby,
Speaker 6: I got a good one.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, you're ready? Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Hold on? Hold on, okay, hold on, Okay, I got
Speaker 2: no let me see. I'm gonna go aw when you're ready,
Speaker 2: because he got announce you.
Speaker 1: You gotta be announced.
Speaker 6: M Okay, I'm ready. Okay, it's my camera right here,
Speaker 6: right now. We're about to get into some real double
Speaker 6: diamond ship though. You got Ryan Toby, old, happy motherfucking day.
Speaker 6: I know nobody's ever said it that way. Oh, happy
Speaker 6: motherfucking day. Toby here right now, and he ain't about to.
Speaker 2: Say no names. I ain't gonna say no names. I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna say no no. But it was a writing session.
Speaker 2: This is early. This is early in my writing career.
Speaker 2: So this artist came down to touch a Jazz to
Speaker 2: work with me. Drean Videll and this artist he was,
Speaker 2: he was very well known, and uh, he came down.
Speaker 2: And this is in two ninety This had to be
Speaker 2: maybe ninety nine at the latest, probably before that ninety seven,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe ninety eight ninety seven. All I know is
Speaker 2: that the the Lexus land Cruiser was the hottest car
Speaker 2: on the shoe. Lexus Lamb was the hottest car on
Speaker 2: the street. And he had the newest one, whatever version
Speaker 2: of it that was. He had the newest one. It
Speaker 2: was white gold trimmed peanut butter guts by so fire
Speaker 2: hot does Carl on the street. He come down, he
Speaker 2: iced out. We're just like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: this that this ding got this that bull as we said, Philly,
Speaker 2: this that bull.
Speaker 1: And it was great.
Speaker 2: We vibbing, were chilling. We we we we're writing. And
Speaker 2: then uh and then it's like, yo, man, let's let's
Speaker 2: get out the studio. You know what I'm saying. Let's
Speaker 2: let's go get a drink, Let's go, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, touch the town a little bit. So when
Speaker 2: we dip out, we all jump in the truck and
Speaker 2: we all we go some little spot. We go to
Speaker 2: some little spot. Whatever woo. We in the spot were
Speaker 2: chilling vibe all right, cool. We just wanted to get
Speaker 2: out the studio for a second. Now we're about to
Speaker 2: head back. We done had a couple of drinks whatever
Speaker 2: Da da d were a little you know, we a
Speaker 2: little rowdy. We're walking out, were about to leave. I'm like, hey, yo, man,
Speaker 2: let me whip this ship.
Speaker 8: Man the.
Speaker 2: Ship, throw me the keys. All good, we all jumping
Speaker 2: whip damn. We this.
Speaker 1: Movin.
Speaker 2: So we mash it through the city. So I do
Speaker 2: that move where you know it was? It was it
Speaker 2: was a red light, and it was a car, you know,
Speaker 2: two cars in front. So you know, you pull up
Speaker 2: just in time for when it turned green and dip
Speaker 2: around the car in front of you. But you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to do that. That that right turn, that right
Speaker 2: pass on the right side. I do it.
Speaker 5: Whoo boo boo boo boop.
Speaker 2: Police, Oh ship police, damn as I'm pulling over the
Speaker 2: police in the back.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 2: And it was me and for Dial in the front
Speaker 2: and Dre and old boy in the bag. Old boy, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm pulling over. He yo, fam my name Darryl. If
Speaker 2: they asked like Daryl Brown or some ship. You're not
Speaker 2: wait what, I'm looking in the rear, like what did
Speaker 2: you say?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bro, my name down and he pulled like a turn
Speaker 2: to the side like I ain't in this type and
Speaker 2: I ain't really care. It was so fast, and the
Speaker 2: cop came, a thing came to the window. I'm like, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: what did they just say? No licensed registration? I don't
Speaker 2: know where anything is? Because you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And Homie got straight.
Speaker 9: This is a non non.
Speaker 2: Like he got straight silent Daryl Brown. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? So I'm me and dal trying to
Speaker 2: find We don't know where nothing's that. We hitting wind
Speaker 2: shild wipers and dazard lights and clearly just say in
Speaker 2: our cars, trying to find it, trying to find it,
Speaker 2: glove compartment whatever. So then Darryl is like, it's in
Speaker 2: the It's in the you know, in the thing under
Speaker 2: the thing whatever. So I'm like, what the you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, So go in, We get these little paperwork,
Speaker 2: give it to the give it to the to the cop.
Speaker 2: He go back ship right here, he go back run
Speaker 2: everything cars hot as fish crease. The tags are from
Speaker 2: one state. The ven number is from another state. The
Speaker 2: name is like of a dead person. Like it's like
Speaker 2: and he's not. This ain't a rapper. This is a singer,
Speaker 2: a well known singer, and so at the time, so
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, but but so when the cop came back,
Speaker 2: step out the car, Step out the car. For what
Speaker 2: he tells you, this car is hot man. License plate
Speaker 2: from one state, the vend number from another state. This
Speaker 2: from another state. I'm like, oh, man, nah, come on, man, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know we got this. This this ain't even
Speaker 2: in my car. Bro for whose car is it? So Daryl,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm waiting for Daryl to like say something.
Speaker 2: So now everybody get we all giving out fake nay
Speaker 2: oh name and my name is Tony and my name
Speaker 2: is you know, Chico, and you know what I mean. Whatever.
Speaker 2: So the cop be like, all right, that's well, get
Speaker 2: out the car. So I'm like, all right, so I
Speaker 2: opened the door. I mean, I get out the car.
Speaker 2: That niggas still ain't say nothing. So now they trying
Speaker 2: to alright, no, officer, ain't you know it's our friend car.
Speaker 2: We work at the studio around the corner. He's back
Speaker 2: there at the studio. He was like, well, you better
Speaker 2: go get him, because not he's going to jail. This
Speaker 2: niggas still ain't say nothing, so dreamed out trying to
Speaker 2: Now we work at studio Jazzy Jeff. He trying to
Speaker 2: throw any thing out there to get some love. We
Speaker 2: ain't getting no love. We ain't getting no love. So
Speaker 2: everybody get out the car and then they trying to
Speaker 2: like kind of walk with me and negotiate with the cop.
Speaker 2: And the cop and then he, you know, other units
Speaker 2: them pulled up real fast, and uh, they get it.
Speaker 2: You know, now they back up, get on the show
Speaker 2: walk you know what I'm saying. You come over here.
Speaker 2: You want to go to jail too. So it turned
Speaker 2: into this whole fucking thing. So he made them all
Speaker 2: walk on, get the fuck out, I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 2: Took all your asses jail. Oh. Boys still ain't say nothing.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to hold it down as long as
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm like, I don't know. They put me in
Speaker 2: the cuffs and everything. Bro put me in the back
Speaker 2: of the squad car and I turned around and like
Speaker 2: and he's like in front of them, walking in front
Speaker 2: of them out.
Speaker 9: I'm like, nah, dog, hey, off.
Speaker 2: Ah No him right there, the one right there with
Speaker 2: the blue coat with the jewelry on.
Speaker 5: This is his car.
Speaker 2: Fuck that. I'm not going to jail for this. Nigga.
Speaker 2: No nigga, no nigga. So we get to talking this,
Speaker 2: that and the third, and then the cop was like, well,
Speaker 2: who's card man? I man, listen, I sang like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Listen, I sang several divon.
Speaker 2: I don't know you. This is my first day meeting you.
Speaker 2: You feel me, and you be straight silient like you
Speaker 2: and you walking off first what like even you know
Speaker 2: jam Dow. They trying to linger, and they coming up
Speaker 2: with most of the story, like yo, it was our
Speaker 2: brother car. He had the studio with the studios right
Speaker 2: around the corner.
Speaker 1: We could go, you know.
Speaker 2: Officers. They trying to plead a little case for me.
Speaker 2: Cop trying to tell them to move. A home boy
Speaker 2: is already walking down the strip. No man, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's him. That's him. Aliens.
Speaker 5: He signed to.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly heard it.
Speaker 2: I mean like I couldn't no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: So I think what happened.
Speaker 1: I was in the car.
Speaker 2: They never they didn't take me down to the to
Speaker 2: the precinct. He just told me what the situation was
Speaker 2: with the car, and then he was like well, I
Speaker 2: was like, well, it ain't my car, and you know,
Speaker 2: like my name wasn't on nothing. And then he was
Speaker 2: just like I don't know if I gave him. I
Speaker 2: don't know what happened, but he was just like, well
Speaker 2: I'm taking the car. I'm in pounding the car. That
Speaker 2: was how it all somehow played out, or if they
Speaker 2: told they was finally able to talk to the cop
Speaker 2: and he said, well, tell your brother he can come
Speaker 2: get it from the from the from the station something
Speaker 2: like that. Tell him he can come get it from
Speaker 2: the impound. So they was like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 2: go get him there. Can you can you let my
Speaker 2: friend out that He was like hold on it old.
Speaker 2: On the second, they just like made me sit in
Speaker 2: the car for a minute. I thought they was about
Speaker 2: to take me downtown. They ended up letting me get
Speaker 2: out the car. I walked back to the studio, get
Speaker 2: back to the studio. This niggas already at the studio,
Speaker 2: like sitting in the studio. Of course, the fuck what yeah,
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: Did y'all do the record? We had already did it.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, That's why we went out because it
Speaker 2: was kind of like the record was done.
Speaker 1: It was fire.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of like, all right, let's go out,
Speaker 2: you know, a little celebrate type thing. So the record
Speaker 2: was already done all the way. And then he hit
Speaker 2: me with some man you know, I bought it from
Speaker 2: my homie and such and such and man the paperwork
Speaker 2: man like he hit me with nigga. You knew he
Speaker 2: was riding round because this was back when niggas was
Speaker 2: copping them. You know, get like the six hundred SIXD
Speaker 2: for like twelve thousand.
Speaker 1: Niggas is buying you know, cars off the boat you
Speaker 1: can get.
Speaker 2: Like I have not had car. I was like, so
Speaker 2: who I make the payment to to him?
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm Duyl Brown.
Speaker 9: Right stop, what do I say?
Speaker 1: I got it? Okay, I guess what do I I've
Speaker 1: had a few yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This was this was during that I remember during that
Speaker 2: time like because that was like that was like the
Speaker 2: thing that was the thing, that was the thingig wish
Speaker 2: numbers find them off the boat yeh D slow yeah, slow,
Speaker 2: which which I'm like, bro, why you ain't just say
Speaker 2: that when we like.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like yo, because that was
Speaker 1: I funked up the flows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, funk up the flows to be like.
Speaker 1: You think it's one hundred and twenty, but it's this.
Speaker 2: This was early, Like I said, this was very early
Speaker 2: in my working with artists, so I was green to artists.
Speaker 2: You know that car, I ain't no niggas was stealing
Speaker 2: cars or wearing fake jewelry or anything like that. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm super young this nineteen ninety seven. I might have
Speaker 2: been nineteen years old, twenty years.
Speaker 1: Old or whatever that was. So it's like and always
Speaker 1: super sweet.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, well, you're you're so and so.
Speaker 1: You used to sing with so and so, and you
Speaker 1: did doing hot Car.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, damn and you got the
Speaker 2: newest damn nigga. You're getting it like I'm excited. This
Speaker 2: might have been my second artist session. First artist session
Speaker 2: was with Darius Rutger and uh and and that was
Speaker 2: funny because he had to deal with Budweiser from who
Speaker 2: He and the Blowfish, So Bud Riser trucks would up
Speaker 2: to the studio drop drop Bud. Wow, fucking I'm with it.
Speaker 1: You guys.
Speaker 2: Party you guys party, so like that's artist number one,
Speaker 2: and then like artist number two is this guy? So
Speaker 2: that was that was my white nigga got a keg
Speaker 2: a bud that buddy, because one party bud lights.
Speaker 3: You guys want to get wild weird. I gotta I
Speaker 3: gotta kick him, but I don't take us anywhere we
Speaker 3: want to go.
Speaker 2: It's just it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, man, thank you, bro, thank you. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, we we we've been family for quite some time.
Speaker 2: So you know, for with Jesus do, which turned out
Speaker 2: to be with Joe to See, I've been trying to
Speaker 2: tell people it's not what would Jesus do?
Speaker 1: What Joe absolutely Joe to See to us is kind
Speaker 1: of Jesus like.
Speaker 2: Jesus so absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3: And you made me record my vocals over. I never
Speaker 3: record my vocals over. And Ryan said, I just think
Speaker 3: if you just get back in my pocket.
Speaker 1: You realized he was double diamond.
Speaker 13: He's double diamond when he said re record, re record, Yeah,
Speaker 13: I got y'all should add a segment to the show
Speaker 13: called Funny Tank Moments.
Speaker 1: Everyone has a funny Tank moment.
Speaker 2: You should add Funny Tank Moments and make your guess
Speaker 2: tell some good, funny tank moments that they had in
Speaker 2: their life.
Speaker 1: If they yeah, if they know you, I got, I
Speaker 1: got a good three.
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I was debating on whether to use that
Speaker 2: one or not because it's three. I was like, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be too long, so I said, I just tell
Speaker 2: them about that other guy. My tak moments are good though.
Speaker 2: They're funny though.
Speaker 3: Ships, drinking, thanking my dad. I have a beverage too.
Speaker 3: I would have a beverage to thank you brother for
Speaker 3: coming by. Thank you fellows.
Speaker 2: Ship, tell me about it. I ain't know. M hmm,
Speaker 2: telling me a bunch of ship.
Speaker 3: I ain't know, you said, I am telling you going
Speaker 3: through the progressions of your story all that.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I like, I like what this
Speaker 3: is becau because although it is a thing that you know,
Speaker 3: we end up you know, uploading or whatever that is,
Speaker 3: from the business of it, Like it really gives us
Speaker 3: an opportunity to dive, have those deep dive conversations with
Speaker 3: our guys.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, our girls like like what you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's that's really cool.
Speaker 2: It's cool. It's cool too that the fans, the people
Speaker 2: that watch that maybe aren't in the industry, they get
Speaker 2: to see that industry, people, artists, whatever, are still human.
Speaker 2: They just they have human stories and human situations because
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times fans, you know, you
Speaker 2: don't think niggas is human, like you did what oh
Speaker 2: he did? You know what I mean? Or even you know,
Speaker 2: like I'm the dude I'm talking about.
Speaker 14: He's just a nigga, just doing with nigga, you know
Speaker 14: what I'm saying, with some type of those type of
Speaker 14: guys doing so It's like it's not that you got
Speaker 14: to hold these people in this almost like unrealistic, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's a platform like this allows people to see that.
Speaker 3: Just tell people all the time, my repossession is the
Speaker 3: same as your repossession.
Speaker 1: Can the people that call you their money?
Speaker 6: Can we confirm that Tank ain't Daryl Brown?
Speaker 1: Can we at least confirm that that Tank is not
Speaker 1: Daryl Brown?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, he would have he would have been broken, you
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't want to tell the Holy Great
Speaker 2: and I'm like, he's gonna give it away.
Speaker 3: I'm not Brown, not bro Listen, man, I don't I
Speaker 3: don't even know what else to say about you, man,
Speaker 3: outside of you know, you're probably the only guy I know.
Speaker 2: It's double diamond.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm s we respect your craft, we respect
Speaker 3: you and love you as a human being.
Speaker 2: And you know, we all we had our talking cheesecake.
Speaker 3: You know. You know, just retiring ship is bullship. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, I need a couple more. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Man like that, you know, put
Speaker 3: the double diamond pin and production hat back on.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm out of retirement. I'm going to make I made
Speaker 1: my first debut album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm saying. When I seen you on stage, man,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You know you already know
Speaker 2: my favorite song still is to this day. You know
Speaker 2: you know that right that was he played me a
Speaker 2: song fifteen years ago and I'm still talking about it
Speaker 2: to this day, Like you feel me. So it's like
Speaker 2: when I seen you on I said, wait a minute, yeah,
Speaker 2: knowing when you went you know, you went to the
Speaker 2: other side, You went to the corporate side. Things you
Speaker 2: wanted to swivel chair. But then your ass is back
Speaker 2: on the month on the stage with the motherfuck was
Speaker 2: that future? What the color was that.
Speaker 1: I meant it was his here's here's a huge I
Speaker 1: had the cream on I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, man, that and and to know your
Speaker 2: brotherhood and to know the journey and then now like
Speaker 2: we just gonna go just snap and have fun.
Speaker 1: I was about, Bro, that's what's about.
Speaker 2: That's the time. Yeah, that gave me that that that
Speaker 2: really blests my heart.
Speaker 1: Now we really thank you for coming Bro. Like people
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, ran up on this man in the mall.
Speaker 2: This is my real friend in real life.
Speaker 1: I threatened him in the mall. Yeah, he was really good.
Speaker 2: I was really I was really good.
Speaker 1: I'm this is my guy. I've never been aggressive, but
Speaker 1: I was very aggressive about that.
Speaker 6: And this is before the streets started asking, because we
Speaker 6: talked about it a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Him coming on to show. He's a very business man.
Speaker 1: I mean he's obviously he's double diamonds, so he's living
Speaker 1: his best life. It took a minute to get him here.
Speaker 2: It's here now, man, now, shout out, shout out to Rube.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Come on the schedule's right, man.
Speaker 2: You didn't put you didn't put. You can't put it
Speaker 2: out there now. That ain't gonna be looking up. So
Speaker 2: if you want to come on money on this show. Listen, everybody, listen.
Speaker 2: These two guys are just the face.
Speaker 9: They just the face.
Speaker 1: Don't be fooled.
Speaker 2: There is there a god.
Speaker 5: There's brains, brains the brain.
Speaker 2: Quick, let me bring this back. Poochy's daddy name was
Speaker 2: Ruben man Ce. Wow, I just had of course Poochie's daddy.
Speaker 1: Of course, what else would his name be?
Speaker 2: My joke? Do you want to come on? You want
Speaker 2: to baby?
Speaker 1: What you want to do?
Speaker 9: You want to talk to you want to talk to him?
Speaker 2: You want to talk to.
Speaker 7: Leman.
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Speaker 3: This is our brother man, and that's the only way
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