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Speaker 1: R and B Money. Honey, we are.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Take volatility. We are the authority on all

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Speaker 2: things R and B.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. This is the R and B Money Podcast,

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Speaker 3: the authority on all.

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Speaker 2: Things R and B.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, smile. Oh you know, today's a good day.

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Speaker 3: We get to speak with the man of the cloth, uh,

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Speaker 3: the man of prestige. Yeah, a man of many uh,

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Speaker 3: curated gifts, man who knows his ship for real for us,

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Speaker 3: it's been doing it for quite some time. As a

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Speaker 3: small niggling. He was doing this ship on the high level.

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Speaker 3: You're see what I'm saying, high notes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, huh.

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Speaker 3: It's been happy days, oh happy oh, happy days.

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Speaker 4: Huh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah man, yeah, man, you

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Speaker 4: did that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just the guys here, man, guys here, bless

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Speaker 2: you right now.

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Speaker 1: Heavily requested, heavily heavily requested.

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Speaker 2: Bro, I don't know if you know this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what the streets wanted to see you on here.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We're still dancing in the streets celebrating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah to your tunes. Appreciate it. Oh yeah, for sure,

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Speaker 2: appreciate that. Man. I don't know how that feels to you.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I don't know how, you know, humbling,

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Speaker 2: very very humbling, very surreal. I'll be just in my

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Speaker 2: own little world and then I won't be on the

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Speaker 2: Grand for a couple of das whatever, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: check the Grand brand. You know you viral right now,

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Speaker 2: some whole something challenge, Superstar challenge, Oh, happy Day challenge.

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Speaker 2: You know, somebody be talking about City High. I'm like, God,

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Speaker 2: I've been in game thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's wow, it's very it's.

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Speaker 2: An honor to be like, wow, are you I'm forty six?

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Speaker 2: You forty six? Yeah, I'm going to be forty seven

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Speaker 2: this year. You're a year older. I'm a year older. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll be forty seven this year with November twenty sixth okay, Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: baby sad. She was almost a cap It's almost almost

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Speaker 2: the lord almost soft want that he had a choice, right, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean the word says, you know, before I formed

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Speaker 2: you in your mother's womb, he knew me. So we

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Speaker 2: had a conversation and now don't don't send me into

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Speaker 2: that capricorn.

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Speaker 1: He knew you, he knew he was like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: thankful for me. He was like, they full over there

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Speaker 1: are not.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, the reason are clearly excluded.

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Speaker 1: We are fine, we are good people, we are great, But.

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Speaker 3: You have to have like I was reading stuff like

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Speaker 3: on this on this humble word, I was reading stuff

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Speaker 3: on it just you know, just going down the rabbit

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Speaker 3: hole and the word humble and humility, humility and.

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Speaker 1: All these things.

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Speaker 3: But at times you have to feel like or I

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Speaker 3: would like for you to feel like, yeah, I did that,

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Speaker 3: I did I mean not even I did I do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah sometimes sometimes.

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Speaker 3: And it's okay to feel like that because when I

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Speaker 3: hear it and I see you, I tell you you

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Speaker 3: do that, you did that?

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Speaker 2: But do you know when do you know when to like,

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Speaker 2: obviously you want to be humble. You was raised like

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Speaker 2: like and we're in a business where it's like if

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Speaker 2: you don't talk your.

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Speaker 1: Talk, it's almost like they forget it.

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Speaker 2: Someone else will take credit for yeah you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, or somebody maybe not as whatever is you.

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Speaker 2: They talk and they talk heavy, and then that's getting

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Speaker 2: them in all kinds of doors. Like I've always wanted

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Speaker 2: to be absolutely transparent. I struggled with that, like when

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Speaker 2: do you know? When do you well? And then when

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Speaker 3: I was having a new conversation with good friend, good

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Speaker 3: friend of mine, Big Jason, and he was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I believe that there's room

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Speaker 3: think there's room for all of that, but we fuck

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Speaker 3: the same hustling and talking.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, if you.

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Speaker 3: Got that ship, you need to speak on it because honestly,

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Speaker 3: people need to know where exactly to go to get it.

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Speaker 3: This is where the fuck it is, and this is

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Speaker 3: how you know where it is. This is what I've done.

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Speaker 3: We can dial this ship up. Here's the charts. We

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Speaker 3: don't have to we don't have to guess anymore. The

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Speaker 3: analytic is a real game. Yeah, here's the ship with

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Speaker 3: my name on it.

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Speaker 2: Call me back, or at least have somebody on your

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Speaker 2: team that talk like that, and if maybe then you

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Speaker 2: can you you just do the work and then you

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Speaker 2: got your talker that go on.

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Speaker 3: Somebody gotta say something that's a fact. Somebody gotta say

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Speaker 3: something that's a fact.

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Speaker 6: I mean, because honestly, do we do we know truly

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Speaker 6: who Jay Z is if he doesn't have Dame dash.

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Speaker 2: Who he was early Sagittarius m because at that time,

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Speaker 2: you know, just that that business.

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Speaker 1: Energy is real.

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Speaker 6: Because because Jay was a quiet or is a quiet

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Speaker 6: guy from what I've seen. I don't know him, but

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Speaker 6: he seems to be a really quiet guy. He needed

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Speaker 6: someone boisterous to say.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. Ain't nobody fuck with him? Nobody

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Speaker 1: with him? That question? Yeah, yeah, that's a very real question.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely nobody fucking with my man.

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Speaker 2: We're starting right here.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 6: I've been in the studio with him, I wrote songs

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Speaker 6: with him. Yeah, you ain't gonna out singing, yeah, talk

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Speaker 6: about it, and he got you know what I mean? He

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Speaker 6: got He's of the real cough too. I mean his

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Speaker 2: Its silky.

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Speaker 1: It is silky.

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Speaker 5: Nobody fucking with my man?

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Speaker 3: Why you make making merch with my man's name on

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Speaker 3: it and he not getting none of the merch? Funk

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Speaker 3: all that trying to relive the death Gamen said them

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Speaker 3: his jackets. Oh you got a whole tour without his

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Speaker 3: name on it. The crazy I need to talk to

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Speaker 3: somebody higher.

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Speaker 1: Up is a legend.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, he's a llegend, a legend. Bro's y'all had damon?

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Speaker 1: Very necessary?

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Speaker 2: Not yet, Okay, we need it. We gonna get it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get it. We're gonna sit aside half a day.

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Speaker 1: Y'all gonna get one question off set aside.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna go.

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Speaker 3: Right, Toby, since you're here, man, let's let's let's go

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Speaker 3: back to the beginning. If you you were a gifted

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Speaker 3: kid and you were able to tap in early as

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Speaker 3: a kid into a very professional space, how did this?

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Speaker 1: How did this start for you? Who knew? How did

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Speaker 1: you get back in Jersey?

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Speaker 1: You call the new Jerusalem.

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Speaker 2: That's like New Jersey. Man, that was the time. That

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Speaker 2: was the time we can call it New Jerusalem. I

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Speaker 2: think the Fujis might have coined that phrase. Mean you

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Speaker 2: you know you're part of the huh yeah, yeah, Well

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Speaker 2: they're from North Jersey. Jersey is split, it's North Jersey

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Speaker 1: and you got this city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So so something about that New York Philly mingling,

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Speaker 2: But so yeah, willing Broough, New Jersey, it was. It

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Speaker 2: I said, you had the rough element, like you could

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Speaker 2: enough to play music in church and get nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it just was like the perfect balance. Now it's kind

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Speaker 2: the music aspect was it was like fire, like real fire.

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Speaker 2: Like my high school wasn't even a performing arts high school,

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Speaker 2: You know that that tunity. But now you got this

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Speaker 2: the music program in our high school was just like insane,

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Speaker 2: like our our Black Heritage choir that sang every Black

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Speaker 2: History Month, you know what I mean, the black it was.

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Speaker 2: It was insane. It was insane, like wan ye is

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Speaker 2: singing it like you know, this is like green boy.

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Speaker 2: Motherfucker was leaving school and getting record deals.

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Speaker 1: It was real.

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Speaker 2: Ty Trippet was like the band director in high school.

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Speaker 2: High school, motherfucking Adam Blackstone, Yeah, Willingborough High School. Adam

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Speaker 2: Blackstone who does the Super Bowl now, was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: playing bass for the Black court, you know, the little heritage,

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Speaker 2: just the caliber level. So when you say who knew

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Speaker 2: all the teachers and the different people that was like,

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Speaker 2: our mothers and fathers that would buy us instruments and

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Speaker 2: let us make little, you know, little makeshift studios in

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He was hoping that Nigga had a video game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So our parents knew for me, Uh my mother.

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Speaker 2: I had extreme stage right kind of still do. I

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Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying because because it's because it is.

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Speaker 2: Like I was told, like, wait a minute, bro, well

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Speaker 2: There's no oil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah what was that?

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Speaker 2: talking about moving in my flesh operating under that? Like

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Speaker 2: Like I'm ten years old. I just try not to

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Speaker 1: Like lady, I grew up in the church is I

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Speaker 2: They ran me out. That's why I got That's why

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Speaker 3: Let mesu your question, is there a standout solo moment

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Speaker 2: All Night, seven Day Revival oil already. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: now I gotta preach it. Yeah, you're gonna preach. You're

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Speaker 2: and it's like wait, wait, whoa, whoa whoa wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: like this is best to be encouragement, but it's like

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Speaker 2: when I learned very early on like what church was.

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Speaker 2: It was like, oh, this is a performance. This is

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Speaker 2: I was like, I want to do it there. I

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Speaker 8: Go do it.

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Speaker 2: Clearly. I just seen him in a little preacher suit

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Speaker 2: no listen, Let's stay on Prince for a secon. Let's

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Speaker 2: I'm just a jig time come home from church, where

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Speaker 2: is coming back and that was out to kill you

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Speaker 2: and just like a lot of that, right, and that's

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Speaker 2: cool and you gotta sing now, sing and bring the

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Speaker 2: you gotta like move the crowd too, Like wait a minute, now,

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Speaker 2: imagine that. Then you come home from church and your neighbor,

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Speaker 2: one of your best friends' kid, his name is Dario Molina,

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Speaker 2: shout out to Poochi. We called him Poochi. He was

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Speaker 2: a little older Prince Fan Galore. He had the big

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Speaker 2: ass boombox ghetto blaster back in the day with the

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Speaker 2: double tape deck right, and he blast in purple rain

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Speaker 2: out the window. His window was broke, so he used

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Speaker 2: Drove my father crazy. We're coming home from church and

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Speaker 2: then I'm hearing Darling Nikki and like, you know, computer

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Speaker 2: Blue and like Wendy, Yes Lisa is the water warm yet,

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Speaker 2: yes Lisa, And like you know what I'm saying and

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Speaker 2: I'm the band on Earth and I'm like, I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: seven years old, Like what the fuck is that? What

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Speaker 2: it feel?

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Speaker 9: That feel?

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Speaker 1: His word record? Like absolutely listen, absolutely the Lord listeny.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking Poochie, like, Brin's that song, Bambie, what is

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Speaker 2: that about?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 2: It's about a lesbian? The fuck? What is a lesbian?

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Speaker 2: Like a girl? You know, Bambi is much better than

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Speaker 2: you know, better with a man, babb dude, Like I can't, Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like what my mind was blown? Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: so I had those You probably had to say two worlds.

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Speaker 2: It's like you got your foot in this, but then

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Speaker 2: it's like, man, you got this whole other sexual nature

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Speaker 1: Know what the fuck to do.

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Speaker 3: I just probably I lasted a lot longer than you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like I stayed Yeah, I stayed holy until until a

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Speaker 1: Man, already talking about what you was doing in the

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Speaker 2: Man, No, no, I mean you would dabble.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: You would a week.

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Speaker 1: The flesh is weak, You're gonna have cravings.

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Speaker 2: And so it was like in the church world, it

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Speaker 2: if you ain't getting the whole, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And I was equating that to like, wait, why is

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand I was a child. But then when

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Speaker 2: Tina Turning What's Love? Got to dude, I'm like that

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Speaker 2: music makes me emotional, made me cry, it made me

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Speaker 2: I felt it more. I just felt it more. I

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Speaker 2: don't know why you call it flesh, call out, whatever

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Speaker 2: you want to call it, but that's what spoke to me.

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Speaker 2: So it was like, that's what I want to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like that's what I want to do. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to do that. For some reason, I don't. I just

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Speaker 2: because I had to, and maybe they had that's where

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Speaker 2: the gift came from. But R and B music, I

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Speaker 2: don't know that shit called. That shit was like hipnotype

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Speaker 2: from a very young age, and they look cool. The

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Speaker 2: clothes were cool, the hair was cool. Niggas had perms

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Speaker 2: and Jerry curls and could do shit. Michael Jackson was

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Speaker 2: magical nigga. The ground would light up when he would

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Speaker 2: walk on the ground with Billy Jean, Like I thought

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Speaker 2: this nigga was magic. A little homie of mine his

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Speaker 2: name was a Miror. I remember he rode up on

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Speaker 2: he knew I could sing because people would hear me sing.

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Speaker 2: I've been rapping and singing in beatboxing and break dancing

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Speaker 2: and shit since I was little. Even when my parents

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I still would do it,

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Speaker 2: gravitated towards it. So he was just like you should

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Speaker 2: York and they might they might be able to get

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Speaker 2: you in the music industry. And I wasn't even thinking

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Speaker 2: But I ran it to him and his dad at

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Speaker 2: kind of like a you know, ex dope dealer, just

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Speaker 1: But he had to give the gap he was.

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Speaker 2: He was the dame. He was that voice. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: no voice like that, you could make a million dollars.

438
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. He told me that, and I was

439
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: like yeah. He was like yeah, So it's like money girls,

440
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: Prince Michael Jackson, shit, you know what I mean. And

441
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: Sol Marvin's start he came. He talked to my parents,

442
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: told me we wanted to start working with whatever they like,

443
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: whatever keep you, you know what I mean, out of

444
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: trouble type of thing. You could do that. So I

445
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: just would go to school, come home, do my little

446
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 2: chores whatever, and could go over Marvin's house and start

447
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: rehearsing and working. So he had me doing little vocal

448
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: lessons and singing Michael Jackson, and like you know what

449
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean, He just started putting me through the whole

450
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, little artist development, artist development. And he never

451
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: had no artists before or nothing. He just was a

452
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: hungry just a hungry young nigga. He was only about

453
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: twenty five and I was like fourteen, So shout out

454
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: to Marven two. And then he started taking me to Philly,

455
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: taking me the little talent contests and stuff, and I

456
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: started winning, like I was winning like little first prize,

457
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: little two hundred fifty dollars still five hundred dollars prize,

458
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: and then it, you know, and then I've seen how

459
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: the little girls are screaming, you know what I mean.

460
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: So it was like this is it. Then he started

461
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: taking me to New York, taking me to the Apollo.

462
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: I'll start performing at the Apollo. Showtime at the Apollo,

463
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: I was like special guest performance. Like I would go

464
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: on like after amateur night. They would do the Amateur

465
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: night and then they'd be like, now we have a

466
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: special guest.

467
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm saying, you never did the show.

468
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: I never did the TV show, but I would go

469
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: like amateur night. Really was like every Wednesday at the

470
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: Apollo Theater, you know what I mean. And then they

471
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: started doing the TV show. But I was like just

472
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: going straight to the Apollo and just performing at the Apollo,

473
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And when you know, in

474
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 2: the little Jerry Carroll lady, she would be there, you

475
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: know what I mean, she in the front row, you know,

476
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: and I'm up there.

477
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, yeah, I'm here.

478
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: Martin Marvin got me made this uh motherfucking red sequence

479
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: jacket sequence red early early. I was early early.

480
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: I didn't even understand that.

481
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: I'm like sequence Marvin like hit that when the light

482
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: spotlight it is, you know what I mean. So, and

483
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: Marvin was a fly. He was fly, you know what

484
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: I mean, always was fly. He knew how to So

485
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: it's like I learned. I learned that swagger from him,

486
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then so I started

487
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: doing that, started performing. He started taking me around and

488
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: we started getting traction, and and I was going to

489
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: New York all the time, going to studio sessions, and

490
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: I really started falling in love with the process of

491
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: making songs. You know, walking in the studio and there's nothing,

492
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: and then like after a few hours there's something. That

493
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: whole concept to me was mind blowing. And Marvin would

494
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: be like, Ryan, you could write like he would hear

495
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: little songs, little raps. I had a little whatever. I

496
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: wasn't writing those stuff in the beginning, but he was like,

497
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: you should focus on your writing. And I didn't even understand.

498
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't think so I just got a little song.

499
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm telling you, Ryan, you got a gift.

500
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: You need to folks. You should focus on your writing.

501
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: So he planted that seed to me early, and then

502
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: I just fell in love with that process. Man Like,

503
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: like I said, people with studio equipment was amazing to me.

504
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: All these buttons and knobs and this and that and

505
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: what this doing? Compression?

506
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

507
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: It looked like you in a rocket shit. You know,

508
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: even if it was in somebody's basement or in somebody's bedroom,

509
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: it's still you know. So that was always fired to me.

510
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: And we started cutting, you know, started recording little songs

511
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: and ship like that, and then we just kept getting

512
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: more and more traction and Marvin He he was cold

513
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: man because he was the type of nigga he'll run

514
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: down on anybody. He don't give a fuck. We would

515
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: just go to New York and post up outside the

516
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: record labels, wait for people to come outside.

517
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: Everybody needs a Marvin Man.

518
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: Run up on him. Hey man.

519
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: He talked his fast.

520
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: He from Harlem, his whole family from Harlem, and they

521
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: was they was big dogs in Harlem. And he comes

522
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: from a long line of like you know, big niggas.

523
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: So even like he you know some of his like

524
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: you know people, They was like funding my little project

525
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: and it was it was lit like I was like,

526
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: so I fell in love with it real, yeah, what

527
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: it is exactly so that that whole life, you know

528
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: it just I started to love it. It was keeping

529
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: me out of trouble. My parents was happy, and I

530
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: was learning about myself. The music was sounding fire. Marvels

531
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: like a father to me. His two sons was like

532
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: family to me. His mom was you know, I was

533
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: with them all the time, you know what I mean. So,

534
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: so yeah, we started recording. He would run down on people,

535
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: get people's numbers, make me sing right, hit the thing right,

536
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, subway whatever, walking down the

537
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: street me in New York, in Manhattan, anywhere, hit it

538
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: hit that thing. Mary and I used to hate it

539
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: because it was still triggered at like stage right there.

540
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: But I don't know Marvel's I don't know Marvel's cool.

541
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: So he was flying, so it was like I ain't

542
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: want to let him down, so I just would do it.

543
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: It was more fun with him, you know what I mean.

544
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: And my parents was letting me hang with this nag

545
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: like he was older, he was cool, he had girls.

546
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: Say he had motion. Yeah, yeah, he had motion, you

547
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

548
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: So I was just I was just getting like a

549
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: real good, a good education in that. And then the

550
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: that's when it started getting more professional. That's when it

551
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: was like, all right, I'm different than my friends, Like

552
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: we go to school together, but like nigga, I'm even

553
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: at like me and Marvin going to New York after lunch,

554
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: I'm out here. Yeah, so I could leave school early,

555
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: and like you know what I mean, teachers was letting

556
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: you know, Marv was signing me out of school, and

557
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: we driving up to New York.

558
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: That was the ship or taking the train.

559
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: That was. It was nothing more fun than that. How

560
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: long does it take you to get a deal or

561
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: do you get the deal? No, I didn't get a deal.

562
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: I didn't get a deal. We started working with this

563
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: this jazz flowertist named Bobby Humphrey, right, She was managing artists.

564
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: She started working with Marvin. They started like co managing me.

565
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: So it was like levels, you know what I mean.

566
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: So Marv started making more better connections and then we

567
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: ended up meeting. I did sing with This is a

568
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: funny story. One day we had a meeting with Gerald Busby, right,

569
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: So we go to Motown. We had a meeting with

570
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: Jerrold and I think I forget the name of the

571
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: guy that was right up under him.

572
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 6: So we in the meeting Motown or the MC at

573
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 6: the time, because if the guy that was under him

574
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: at that time, would.

575
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: I feel like it was Motown because it wasn't bivten

576
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: with Motown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a funny story.

577
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: We was in this meeting and this is when we

578
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: was going around the different labels. We was going around

579
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: the we met when Max Goo said giant, you know

580
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: what I mean.

581
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Like, so we was going to different labels. That was

582
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: our thing.

583
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: We would go to labels. We would get Mark, you know,

584
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: get his get a little meeting situation set up, go

585
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: in the office, and I would do my thing. But

586
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: we never had no real demo, you know what I mean.

587
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: We never you know, we didn't have no real demo.

588
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: So they'd be like, man, won't you get some songs,

589
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: some real songs recorded on them and come back and then,

590
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: you know, because so that way they could play my

591
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: music for their bosses and stuff. Because Marvels just gutted

592
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: with it. Nah, he gonna come in and he just

593
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: gonna sing that ship and y'all gonna love it. But

594
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: that wasn't it. Never really like us, Yeah, it wasn't

595
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: the process. But this one particular time, the ain't our guy,

596
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: I forget his name. He was under Jerl Busby. He

597
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: walked out the office. So me and Marv sitting there

598
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: and we sitting there by the sid. He like, fell us,

599
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: I'll be right back, So he leaves. So Marv like,

600
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: watch the door. Ryan.

601
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: I was like, what he's like, watch the door?

602
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: So he got me onna look out. Marv goes around

603
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: the desk and goes through the niggas rolodex and start

604
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: writing down numbers This is how Cole marv was. He

605
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: going through the rolodecks. Write down the number, write down

606
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: the number right out right down there. Get he gets

607
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: Michael Bivens's number, write that ship down. Niggas start hitting

608
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: up Michael Biverins, Yeah, man, what's up?

609
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 8: Mike?

610
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't remember I met you at the you

611
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: remember it was at that party. I forget who party

612
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 2: it was. Remember you told me, man, you could bring

613
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: my artist. Mike Like, what's your name again?

614
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: Like mar this is like Michael Vinnins. This is that

615
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: like this Marvin exactly.

616
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: He like this is at the height like.

617
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: Big ten ABC.

618
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 9: Sign.

619
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: Mind you graduated from he graduated with my brothers. So

620
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: like I'm fully aware of like yo, this right. He

621
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: talks Mike Michael Bivens into letting us pull up on

622
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: him at some restaurant in New York. Go to the restaurant.

623
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: He like, man, I don't remember you, man, I mean,

624
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: it don't even matter. Man, this is my artist. Ryan.

625
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 7: He definitely do that to us, for sure, for sure,

626
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 7: you know what I mean saying for Michael Rivers in

627
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 7: the restaurant.

628
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: You know, Mike was he was like he said he

629
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: would have signed me. He was like, but I'm gonna

630
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: keep it real with you. He's like, if I sign

631
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: you now, you're not coming out for like another two

632
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: years because I got, you know, some other people in

633
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: the lineup. He was like, when I signed boys Men

634
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: was signed for like two years before he dropped, So

635
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: you know, just little stories like that, like and then

636
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: we was doing all of that for a while, and

637
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: then we landed in the office of Kenny Ortiz, who

638
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: was an R at RCA Records. So Kenny was like

639
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: he was he was fucking with me heavy. But at

640
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: the time he was like, man, I got this this

641
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: young girl group called STBV. I'm working on them, you know,

642
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: and these three little black girls sitting on the couch.

643
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, How you done? You know

644
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He's like, yeah, I'm working on their

645
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: project right now, developing these said yeah, you know, he

646
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: was at the time developing these young producers called the Neptunes,

647
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

648
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: And so Kenny, he said, all.

649
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Right, just how we knew we was we was getting somewhere.

650
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Kenny was like, you need a professional demo. So he says,

651
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna sign you to a demo deal. You

652
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: remember demo deal. So he signs me to a demo deal,

653
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred dollars, gave us twenty five hundred dollars. Said,

654
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: I want y'all to go make a demo. Go record

655
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: some songs, some professional producers, some professional writers, whatever, whatever, Okay, cool.

656
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: He sends us to Patterson, New Jersey. We go work

657
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: with a production crew. I think they were called black

658
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: Hand black Hand Productions. We go to the studio. Preachers

659
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: of the said, yeah, we got got our writer coming in.

660
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: He's gonna write you, you know, write the song for you.

661
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: Writer walks in the name something. My name's Joe. Joe

662
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: wrote my first demo. Wow, wow, wow, young fresh face,

663
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: young fresh face, and his name is just Joe. Yeah,

664
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: just Joe, yeah right, just young fresh face, cold ass singer.

665
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: He write the joint references it. I go in there.

666
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: I sing. Also learned too that that that game of

667
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: like you know, the song ain't yours, little nigga, you

668
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean? I learned that game and learn

669
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: that rule real fast too.

670
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: You watch something from your demo, go somewhere else.

671
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: I mean that song that Yeah, my demo record was

672
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: on his album that next.

673
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, because yeah.

674
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I actually I fell in love with

675
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: that part of the game. I want to do that.

676
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: And I always knew that early too. I was like

677
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: it because because of the stage fright that I carried

678
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: when I would meet the Joel's, the Gerald Busby's, the

679
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, the different the Divante's and you know what

680
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I was like, I want to be that guy.

681
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: I want to be the guy on the other side

682
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: of the desk. I don't want to be the nervous

683
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: artist that got to sing and make you like me.

684
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: I want to be the nigga that swivel around in

685
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: the chair with you know, with the jewel and what something.

686
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 8: You know.

687
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: They like what you're doing.

688
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: They all talk like this, you know, I mean yeah,

689
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: so you know what I mean, what you got is good.

690
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: But like I was like, what is that tune? Executive niggas?

691
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: You know, they fresh they got on like the you

692
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: know the night.

693
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: I hate it.

694
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: You know, I love I love what we was doing.

695
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: But it's like, man, you go to these big offices,

696
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and I'm just like the

697
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: artists trying to like I was like, fuck, that ship up.

698
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: I want to be that guy everywhere you're always auditioning. Yah, yeah,

699
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: you always gotta write. And I was like, so that

700
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: started welling up in me and with Marvin saying you

701
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: can be that because you can write, and I was like, yeah,

702
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: you know. And then like you know, even how you

703
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: know the young Joey walking to they just got a

704
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: certain bot to it, like I'm here to make make you,

705
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: make you nice. It's like, damn, how do I be

706
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: the guy that makes somebody nice? He's sitting at the

707
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: board forty eight track, you know what I mean, sitting

708
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: at the SSL And it's always about that swivel around

709
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: in that chair when they swivel around.

710
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Yes, I did. I couldn't wait to.

711
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: Childhood all the time.

712
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: I got this.

713
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: I swivel.

714
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: Got to say it like you know, that tone of voice.

715
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: It was the swivel, It was the way it was

716
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: the nonchalant like I do this all day. You know,

717
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: you're like the tenth artists that's coming. The manager is

718
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: like begging me to you know, everybody's begging me to

719
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: let some of the magic. Some of the magic.

720
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 7: Guy.

721
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I wanted to be that. I wanted to

722
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: be that you said, I wish I had more time.

723
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: I wish even even the Michael bibbins like, yeah, I

724
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: could work with you.

725
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: But it was just like, Yo, these niggas are so

726
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: fucking what the do they have?

727
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 8: Like what is that?

728
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: I want that thing that they got, you know, and

729
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: this is in the nineties, so this is like the

730
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: dawn of like the black hocket. This is the Puffy era.

731
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: Now you know what I mean. It's not just stuffy dudes,

732
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: but it's not a young are the Michael Michael because

733
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: he was he was the poor He was Puff before Puff,

734
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: that's a fact.

735
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: Mike Bibb was the guy to fly.

736
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: So so whatever that young black power figure that's from

737
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: my era that looked like me. That's hip hop but

738
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: he's corporate somehow or.

739
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: Executive, but hip hop but young. And you know what

740
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, I just I want that.

741
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 9: I need that.

742
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: I wanted that more than I wanted the stage, you

743
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So but obviously to get there

744
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: with my route, it was like I was going to

745
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: stage route, which was fine. So moving from there after

746
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: Kenny saw me, we did the little demo and then

747
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Boom a year later, those three little Black Girls had

748
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: the hottest song on the radio. Mind you when we

749
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: after the Michael Bivens meeting, Michael he invited us to

750
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 2: his birthday party that night. So we go to Michael

751
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: Bivens's birthday party and like all the celebrities, you know,

752
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: everybody there that's you know, the heavy ds and the

753
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: Sherry Carters and Donnie Simpson's and boys, the men and

754
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: grand Poobas. What's up shorty? Yeah, I'm fourteen years old?

755
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: Mind you in this club and this party, Marvin, you

756
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. A Grandpooba from Brand Nubians.

757
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: Is like, so sure, are you having a good time?

758
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 8: Yeah?

759
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool? Okay.

760
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, man, come here, I want you

761
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: to meet somebody.

762
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: It's my home girl. Her name Mary. She's a singer too.

763
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: Hey how you doing okay, little black girl named Mary.

764
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: A year later, like so when I started, I was like,

765
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: what is this magical that happens where it's like you

766
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: meet somebody, it's just they, And then a year later

767
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: it's magic and everybody's young and black and fly and

768
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: the music is incredible. So that was when it was like, Okay,

769
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm in it now. This is what we gotta we

770
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: gotta really turn this ship up. And I think it

771
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: was Yeah, Kenny Kenny found out about the auditions for

772
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: Sister that Disney and touched on We're looking for kids

773
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: that singing and dance, and originally they was I was

774
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: just auditioning to be in the just so or background shit.

775
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: And I ain't never acted before. I wasn't thinking about

776
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: no movies or nothing like that. I wanted, you know,

777
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: Tevin Campbell. I wanted to be Tevin Campbell. That was

778
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: another thing too. Everywhere we went, it's like, ah, man,

779
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: you're really dope, but we just signed this kid named Tevin,

780
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: And oh man, you're really dope, but we just signed

781
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: this kid named Jason Weaver.

782
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: So it's like I kept you know what I'm saying,

783
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

784
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: So so I'm watching all these little stars and starlets,

785
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: you know what i mean, pop off and h Kenny

786
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: was like, go to this audition. I was like, audition.

787
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to be no actor, man, I'm trying

788
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: to get a music video, you know, Tevin Campbell. And

789
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: he's like, just go to the audition, try it out.

790
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: You'll see, all right. Cool. I ain't had no agent.

791
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't in sag you know what I mean.

792
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: But that's how me and Marvin rolled when had ship.

793
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: We never gave a fuck. It was just like we

794
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: just you know, gorilla with it. So they got me

795
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: on the list and I went in there. All these

796
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: kids in there, you know, little actor kids, and you know,

797
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: ready you know, the whole thing, stretching ballet, and I'm like,

798
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: what the fuck looked like fame somebody, you know what

799
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: I mean.

800
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: And now going to the audition. They even told me,

801
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: like Marvel's.

802
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: Like, listen, if if if if, they're real cold and

803
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: short with you, you know, kind of like, you know,

804
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: all right, thank you. Next he was like, you know,

805
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: don't don't take that Noway, just just go in there

806
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: and do your thing, all right? Cool? So I go

807
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: in there. The lady I'll never forget she she was

808
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: sitting at her desk. She had a little tripod set

809
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: up with her camera. She never even looked up at me. Name, okay, age,

810
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: all right, stand on the X. Okay, you got you

811
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: got some line? They had some little generic lines. Read

812
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: the lines, Read the lines. Then she uh, okay, you

813
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: you got a song? You're gonna sing? So I sang

814
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: uh like I said, I feel like you know, I

815
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: feel I say that. I was singing that in in

816
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: Churchill Town, so I sing I feel like going on.

817
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: So that's not just a song from five Part Beats.

818
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: No, I grew up in a different kind of.

819
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Cooling on different Edi wrote that.

820
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: Man came wrote, shout out to Eddie, shout out to Eddie.

821
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: I sang that song. And and the lady she stopped,

822
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: she stopped the camera, she took her classes off. She

823
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: started crying in the in the audition, and then she

824
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: was like, she said, oh my god, that voice. She said,

825
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: I gotta hug that voice. She come around from the

826
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: desks and the camera, come over to me and hugs

827
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: me tight, crying, oh my god, oh my god, that voice,

828
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: that voice, Oh my god. And so I'm standing there,

829
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: this lady squeezed me, and I'm like, is this how

830
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: auditions go?

831
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 9: Like oil the oil?

832
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, So after that, I think I had about

833
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: seven callbacks, seven callbacks, and the last callback was in

834
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: l A. And mind you, when I'm coming to these callbacks, nigga,

835
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm seeing that Tevin Campbell's coming in Tatiana, Ali like

836
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: all the all the hot motherfucking Tony Thompson from High

837
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: five like the guy. Yeah. So I'm thinking like, oh,

838
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: ain't no way, I'm getting this ship, you know what

839
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean. And then uh, but no, they kept calling

840
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 2: me back, and then it got down to the last

841
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: two kids. Was me and this other kid named Chad

842
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: Shepherd who was actually a good friend of mine. And

843
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: during I never forget, like Bill Duke would be coming

844
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: up with the character in the auditions.

845
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: I'd like, do little lines.

846
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: Then they'll huddle Bill Duke and the producers and his

847
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: throw Laune hey man say this. So I'm thinking a

848
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: shot right where we can come down and we can

849
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: do and catch him with the coofy on Like they

850
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: was like developing this character, you know what I mean.

851
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: And that was going on every audition, and they underknownst

852
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: to me. They were like creating a role for me.

853
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: Then it was like, you know, we was really in

854
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: the game, and and uh, City House started toring like

855
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: crazy and singles and nominated for a Grammy and going

856
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, around the world and stuff like that, and

857
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: then uh and then you know, we then we kind

858
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: of hit a pocket where it was like it wasn't

859
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: gonna work no more with the group when we started

860
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: working on the second album, so I decided to just

861
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: fall back on my pen game and me and me

862
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: and drean Dal link back up after like a number

863
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: of years or not not really talking, you know what

864
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 2: I mean. Then we linked back up and the first

865
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: song me and Dre did in the studio, the first

866
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: idea was Superstar.

867
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: Hmm, I can already tell what's going to say. I

868
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: don't like you.

869
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: Man, attitude is bad.

870
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 6: We jumped there though, but did you write the City

871
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 6: High Records? So you wrote what would you do in Caramel?

872
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 6: Like the big records?

873
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: From there?

874
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely? So I was writing all the songs.

875
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I was.

876
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: Writing the songs, you know. And that was what was

877
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: That was one of the things that was problematic in

878
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: the group because if you remember how the group started,

879
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: he was a solo artist. Rob was a solo artist,

880
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: and then I come in as the as the writer.

881
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: And then now your solo deal is now a group deal,

882
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: which seems cool on paper, but it's like then if

883
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: your group member now is you know, clefting them is

884
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: loving me? I could write raps, I could write this,

885
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: and I'm writing, you know, in ten minutes and I'm

886
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: writing her parts Richardson, Yeah, exactly so, and I'm stunting,

887
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: I'm getting money from other things, and I'm coming to

888
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 2: the studio, you know what i mean, on my little

889
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: baby baby Stevie j. You know what I'm saying. But

890
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: but it's like and it was just kind of then

891
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: it's like the animosity started.

892
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: To grow because now you're getting checks from the city

893
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: high stuff.

894
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, just so much when their advances ran out

895
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: from the group, I'm still you know what i mean.

896
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: So then it was like that's when the competition started.

897
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: And that's when it like it was like the animosity started.

898
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: And then uh and then.

899
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: Him, you know, they little that little high school thing.

900
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: That was over because now we're professionals. We in the

901
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: real world, were adults now, so that was over. And

902
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: then like and I'm working with her now and like

903
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm the older one and with the bag and we're

904
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: genuinely cool and I'm like, right, and I called her

905
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: five to five, she five to seven. But I'm like,

906
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: Nave does it doesn't translate.

907
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: Exactly.

908
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, sing this five five brown, now,

909
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: do sunrize it? We spend more and more time together

910
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: and so quite naturally, and so that only just built

911
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: more animosity and more drama. And then it was like,

912
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: you know, and I was at an age and stage

913
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: where you know, this is post Omar, like I'm.

914
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: Omar now, I'm I'm the captain, I'm talking.

915
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: You know, it was just different times.

916
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: No, you can't use that as the excuse that it

917
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: was just different.

918
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: No you yeah, I listen, But see that.

919
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: When you're sharing that kind of space and that kind

920
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: of energy, that's different.

921
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: And if and if and and this is the this

922
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: is the big part that people don't understand. Okay, y'all

923
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: are y'all are friends, right, it's my brother Okay, but

924
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: before y'all became brothers and y'all knew each other, Like,

925
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: did y'all immediately become brothers or where y'all working for

926
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: a while for each other? Now, Okay, so that ain't

927
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: the case for everybody for sure. Sometimes it's like, all right,

928
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: I know you, you know me. You know you're not

929
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: like that with everybody in the game, right, No.

930
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, because you were in a group you didn't

931
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 6: ultimately even want to be in in the beginning. No, right, right, circumstances,

932
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 6: and even the whole plan was always like no, this

933
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 6: was like during the making the band era, So it's like,

934
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 6: what would just do, Like I'm making the band situation,

935
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 6: y'all get together.

936
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: That was kind of like always the plan. They always

937
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: promised that, and not for nothing.

938
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 2: But it's like if if you sort of like begged

939
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: me to be in this situation, this group with you,

940
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 2: and then you we put the girl in the group,

941
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't really think this is a

942
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: good idea.

943
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: It's like no, Na, Na, it'll be fine, it'll be fine,

944
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: And then you're.

945
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: Out of pocket all the time because now you can't

946
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: handle the pressure of being on the same team with

947
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: somebody who's doing more, and so now you taking every

948
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: opportunity to wow out whenever the fuck you want to,

949
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: and Eddie Kane whenever you want to.

950
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you's definitely you see what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

951
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: there's definitely nothing you can build on that.

952
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: Like what then? The only reason I guess I was

953
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: asking y'all because I'm like, all right, y'all are brother,

954
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit different. But even in a

955
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: brother situation, imagine if one of y'all. Let's if he

956
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: was like out of pocket all the time with his

957
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 2: lady and you like, bro, like yo, mo, fuck that nigga.

958
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: Fuck that nigga. Fuck you too, cause how.

959
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 3: Many times do you put up with that before you say,

960
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that you don't have to deal with.

961
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: That no more. I'm just saying, like, I mean, nah nigga,

962
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: because you know, nigga drinking every day and like the

963
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 2: studio and like I'm the one writing all the songs.

964
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: Watch my chair swiffle.

965
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: Eventually the chair swivels, Eventually the chair swifvels.

966
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: But it wasn't even honestly, it wasn't even really. But

967
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 2: it's just one of them things. And I've been dealing

968
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: with it for so many years and people so it's

969
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: kind of like, well, Bill, well what do you want

970
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: to do? Like what am I supposed to do? What's

971
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: supposed to happen? Like I think you did, But if

972
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: you was already being like it's like if I don't

973
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: have countless conversations with you, if I'm like, bro, like

974
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: you're doing too much. My nigga, y'all met when she

975
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: was sixteen years old. The group popped off like she

976
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 2: was like seventeen eighteen years old. Like what you're wild,

977
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: my nigga. You don't treat no little girl like that.

978
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: You blacking out on her at parties, cussing around in

979
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: front of everybody, You're getting drunk. The nigga was a

980
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: cold piece of work way before the group. Don't let

981
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: the intervention show fool you. You feel what I'm saying. Yeah,

982
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: And that's the part that I would always save and

983
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: just be like, you know what, I'll just take the

984
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: scarlet letter. I'll be the bad guy. It's fine. I

985
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: ain't you know what I'm saying, but like that's just

986
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter. Like you're doing too much, bro,

987
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: And I'm just not that. I ain't gonna be. I

988
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: wasn't raised like that. I got five older brothers, my nigga,

989
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying, I'm raising a whole nother culture.

990
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: So me and you be different. And I'm just like

991
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: and if we and if you can't handle the pressure,

992
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: just say you can't handle the pressure, nigga, Like then, bro,

993
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: you like you outshining me. And it's like, nah, fuck

994
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: that fuck that nigga. Like you you're talking to me

995
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: like I wasn't already doing like I wasn't already working

996
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: before I even met you, like you acting like I

997
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: need I don't don't. I don't need this clearly right.

998
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: So it was just that, and I try to just

999
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: stay as cool and as friendly as possible. And then

1000
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: after a while it just gets to a point where

1001
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you're leaving her at the studio we at

1002
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: Kleff Studio and East Orange like that's the hood, bro

1003
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: like and you bouncing and driving and leaving.

1004
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: Fuck that ride home with Ryan?

1005
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: How many nice is she gonna ride? My mama told me.

1006
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: You know, my mama used to say, don't mix your

1007
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: homeboys and your girlfriend. You keep them separate. You understand

1008
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because human beings are just human beings.

1009
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: And the more you get the mixing in, and the

1010
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 2: more they start to feel a little too comfortable around

1011
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: each other. You understand what I'm saying. Things can happen,

1012
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: Feelings can occur. You understand what I mean, Especially if

1013
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: you out of pocket, any woman is gonna start leaning

1014
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: on your bro little one keep and you're just like, yeah,

1015
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: it's cool, but I'll talk to him. No, he can't

1016
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: be more like you and we in the studio all

1017
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: the time, and we making hit records together. And I'm

1018
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: older and like more mature, how many I mean, what

1019
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: am I supposed to do? What was supposed to happen?

1020
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: So and y'all, I mean I didn't take her, You

1021
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: let her go, dropped your time, and I mean, I

1022
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: honestly I don't regret it.

1023
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: We had a beautiful life together.

1024
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: I married her, I fell in love like it ain't

1025
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: like a running dunder smuttered, y're out like na, Bro,

1026
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: Like we was young, We was traveling the world. We

1027
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: was having this experience and Bro was in a space

1028
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: in his life where he was just on his He

1029
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: was on his eddy. Came a nigga. It was like

1030
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: and so I mean, we was all wilding and having

1031
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: fun being young, you know, rock and roll life. But

1032
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: it's like he his was like a lot different. So

1033
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: after a while, it just kind of just happened that

1034
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: the more time she and I spent together, and you

1035
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it was organic and it happened.

1036
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: And I mean I apologize for me and him then

1037
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: fought backstage about it. We don't you know, rowed up

1038
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: and broke CRD together about it. Like we done did

1039
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: all that already, so I don't have no regrets. She

1040
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: and I had a beautiful family too, beautiful kids, Like

1041
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: we're still good friends like so, but you know, it

1042
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: just is what it is. And especially back then I

1043
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: was at I was at a space of my life

1044
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: where you know, I was I was kind of on

1045
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: one too in that regard, like you're not just going

1046
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: to like keep disrespecting me like that, bro, and like

1047
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: not showing up to the studio, so just me and

1048
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: her at the studio.

1049
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: So a second album never happened.

1050
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: It just got to a point where it was like, well,

1051
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: we can't keep doing this, you know what I mean.

1052
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 2: And then if me and her was gonna be together

1053
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: and like it's like, let's just it just is what

1054
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: it is. It was just one of those situations. So

1055
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: and then it was.

1056
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: Funny because then years later.

1057
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: He's on TV telling like this whole other story, like

1058
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: like they was like just these happy love birds, and

1059
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: like I just came in and did, like, nigga, that

1060
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: ain't what happened. Tell him about the Turner ship and

1061
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: all that ed it came shit, Tell him about all

1062
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 2: that other shit, my nigga, Like you know what I'm saying.

1063
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: So it's all good now. The album never happened. She

1064
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it no more. She was pregnant

1065
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: with our first son, and uh, and at that point

1066
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: it was like, all right, well, I'm riding with my shorty.

1067
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: And then it was like, you know, the group was

1068
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: over pretty much. And then, like I said, me and

1069
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: Dre have reconnected, y'all moved back.

1070
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: So y'all moved to Philly.

1071
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: No no, no, I lived in Miami at the time,

1072
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: but we were recording the second album in New York. Okay, yeah,

1073
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: And we were according the second album in New York.

1074
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: And then also to like the.

1075
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: Second album wasn't really sounding like we you know, like

1076
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: there was there was something, there was something organic to

1077
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 2: the music that Robbie and I was creating together because

1078
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: Robbie's he's a great producer, musician and everything. You know,

1079
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: when he's focused, you know what I'm saying, Like, and

1080
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: so we was cooking up like like he produced what

1081
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: would you do? You know what I mean? Why why?

1082
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: Cleff and them told us like, nah, but uh, you

1083
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: should put my name on as producer because so the

1084
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: DJs will play it. And we were like, oh okay.

1085
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: I was like, but you can't. You can't take my

1086
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: publisher though. He's like no, no, no, no, you keep

1087
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: your publishing. But so then I learnedable lesson about credit. Credit,

1088
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: credit is everything. He was like, no, you can keep

1089
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: the publishing. Need the credit, you know what I mean.

1090
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 2: So he was like all right, he was like, Plus,

1091
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, like Funk Flex and all these DJs in

1092
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: New York, they'll respect it more if we're walking in

1093
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: there with a record that say, produced by White Cleft

1094
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: but an actuality. Yeah, yeah, Robbie produced that. We did

1095
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: that record in his bedroom. Me and Robbie did that.

1096
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: And Robbie is he's super talented. But just it just

1097
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: things got him focused. And so that was that and

1098
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: uh and uh, you know what's funny, that was the

1099
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: reason why I didn't want to, like, I don't want

1100
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: to be in a group with a nigga and his

1101
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: girlfriend because then if anything happened with them, and then

1102
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: now I'm in the middle, and it was like it's

1103
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: almost like it played out exactly was exactly how I

1104
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: thought it would, you know what I mean, good, bad, whatever,

1105
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: and different. It's a part of the story. It is

1106
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: what it is. But everybody's okay. Now, everybody's happy and

1107
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: healthy now and it's all good. But yeah, so the

1108
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: album wasn't so we were going in to record the

1109
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: second album at that point, Like Robbie wasn't even coming

1110
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: to the studio like that no more, you know what

1111
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: I mean. And he started making money. He had his

1112
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: own little crew friends, you know what I mean. I

1113
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: was living in Miami, like I had my own little

1114
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: crew for now. We you know, it was like that

1115
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: new addition shit, like you know what I mean. We

1116
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: went from all riding in the same bus together, now

1117
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: we got six different busses, like you know what I mean.

1118
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: It was kind of like your classic group split after

1119
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 2: success story. And then, uh, it was during that time

1120
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: Drey and I reconnected because there was a time where

1121
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: you know, I was off doing city high and they

1122
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 2: were off being Dre and Vidal. So we had lost

1123
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: contact for a while, and when we reconnected, Dre was like, yo, man,

1124
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: I got this new crib, you know, twenty third and

1125
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: Walnut got this loft. Man, come link, let's just link

1126
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: up how we used to when we were just like

1127
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, just get up, just me

1128
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: and you bro, let's link up like we used to.

1129
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: So I go and he was like, come stay at

1130
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: the crib. So I go stay at his house in Philly.

1131
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: And literally the first night he's showing me the crib

1132
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: and then he showing me the studio and then he

1133
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: started working with the ASR and banging, hitting, sounding different samples,

1134
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: and then he had do do do bo do do

1135
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: do do domn down down down on that.

1136
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: Then he started going through other sound boom.

1137
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, no, no, no no no. I

1138
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, no, go back to that one.

1139
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: Which one? This one here bump bump bump doom bom

1140
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: bom bom b. I was like, that's it right there, Bro,

1141
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: Like you sure I got more ship though I got

1142
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, nah that one. He's like, all right, looped

1143
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: it up, cooked up a little bit to it, and

1144
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: uh he gave me the gave me the I had

1145
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: a he had this little eight track digital recorder, only

1146
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: had like eight faders on it. This was you know,

1147
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: pre poor tools. So I went up there. I went

1148
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: up in the loft. He had this cool little loft

1149
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: space in the in this apartment. Went up there with

1150
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: that eight district eight track recorder and uh handheld. Sure, Oh.

1151
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, the Superstar challenges on your demo.

1152
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, all right, yeah yeah yeah levels. Yeah I

1153
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:22,479
Speaker 2: heard your stuff man, Yeah yeah yeah, that's so I said,

1154
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: did the did the reference right there Dre's crib Dre

1155
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: was then Dre said, Yo, this would be fire for Usher.

1156
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: He said that, and I was like, you thinks So

1157
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, he said, La reeve been fucking with us,

1158
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, fucking with me and dal He was like,

1159
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: this will be crazy for Usher. And funny thing is

1160
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: this was in between eighty seven and one. Usher was

1161
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: kind of quiet at the moment, and justin Timberlake was

1162
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: going was you know what I mean, going crazy? And

1163
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: so I was even thinking. I was like, Usher, you

1164
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 2: sure like just you know, because Usher was quiet at

1165
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: the moment.

1166
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm telling you. I'm telling you

1167
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: all right, bro?

1168
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 9: Cool?

1169
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: You know. He sends it to l A Read I

1170
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: guess however, that worked out in about two weeks later,

1171
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: like yo, La Read one flies to Atlanta and we

1172
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: got to Atlanta. Usher was not fucking with us, boy,

1173
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: that was nah. Usher wasn't fucking with us for like

1174
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: a good week like. It took us a minute to

1175
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: win him over, cause he ain't know us. He's like,

1176
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: who these niggas? You know what I mean? And I

1177
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: think he was he was also I think he told me.

1178
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: He told me later on he was like he just

1179
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: was like in a space where you know, he got

1180
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: justin Timberlake, cracking off kind of like doing his ship,

1181
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: you feel what I'm saying, and he's getting all this

1182
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: like I remember Justin had to cover a rolling stone.

1183
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: I think it said the new King of Pop, now

1184
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: you feel.

1185
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: What I mean? And so, you know, Usher was like,

1186
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: what like like the competition, like all this work I've.

1187
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: Been putting in, and he you're like, man, like, come on, man,

1188
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: like all the dancing and all the you know what

1189
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean? Like he like, man, you know, so us

1190
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: it was feeling some type of way and he just

1191
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: was in this space. He was a little stand offish

1192
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: and it took us a minute to get him to

1193
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: warm up to us, but he finally warmed up to us.

1194
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: He didn't like Caught Up at all. He didn't like

1195
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: that record at all. He didn't like call Up. No,

1196
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 2: he didn't like that song at all at all. That's

1197
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: crazy he's like, I mean, it's cool. I don't know.

1198
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: Caught up like that was like Philly slang. At that time,

1199
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: nobody even talked like that. That was like some Philly

1200
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: shit like oh, she got you caught up, she got

1201
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: you caught up. He was like, we don't talk like

1202
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: that in a shot. We don't talk like that. So

1203
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: it was we kept playing it for him, working on

1204
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: it a little more, playing it because he cut, he

1205
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: cut Superstar, and then you know, we was like, all right,

1206
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna do some more. And then he was like

1207
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 2: he was like, man, I need something I could dance too.

1208
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: And then he left. He left the studio. So Medre

1209
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: and down Pooper, we all put our heads together and

1210
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: was like, we need to get something with some temple,

1211
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: like some Michael Jackson shit, like three changes like versus

1212
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: one thing and then the hook go somewhere, you know,

1213
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: the three the stink movements, you know. And we cooked

1214
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: the song up, wrote it, I referenced it, and uh,

1215
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: he came back heard it. He's like, I don't know,

1216
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1217
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: He was hard man, he was not. He wasn't fucking

1218
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: with it.

1219
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: It took us a minute. We took us a minute.

1220
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: We kept playing it over and over again. Remember Mark

1221
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: Pitts was Mark Pitts pulled me outside the room in

1222
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: the hallway at the studio. Was like, nigga, you know

1223
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: something I learned from Puffy. He was like, Man, I

1224
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: learned this is show business, nigga. He was like, and

1225
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: the show don't start when you hit the stage. Like

1226
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: the show start now. He's like, man, that was Pete

1227
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: Diddy in that room. Right now, he'll be standing on

1228
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: the SSL horn, champagne on your head talking about playboy.

1229
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: You ain't fucking with this play boy. You ain't with

1230
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: this playboy, tzy plake boy. Nigga, ain't trying to get money.

1231
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: You ain't trying to get money.

1232
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: So Mark was like, man, I don't care what you

1233
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: need to do. If you need to order some bottles,

1234
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: calls some mention, whatever you need to do. You need

1235
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 2: to sell this record. Wow, wow, come on, Yeah, Mark

1236
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: gave me the.

1237
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: Game in your pursuit to.

1238
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 3: Two double diamonds, be prince to be prince uh to

1239
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 3: liking the women folk.

1240
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that.

1241
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: Is the motivation to this thing. Man, Like the money

1242
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: is cool, and we don't get into this thing for

1243
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: the money. That you get into this R and B

1244
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: thing for the woman that started.

1245
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 2: I started young.

1246
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: They tell you they heard yourself. Where you going with you?

1247
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: Playboy?

1248
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm about to pull that Champagne that publish that,

1249
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 6: imagine it Champagne and public Corn.

1250
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: In the studio.

1251
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 9: Top five, your top five, Top five, your top.

1252
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 5: Singer.

1253
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, R and B songs, Yeah, already.

1254
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: You've written some m Dombo Nman you got up, you

1255
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 3: got it song you got yeah?

1256
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, Top.

1257
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 8: Fi, Ryan Toby, Yes, sir, let me lean in your

1258
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 8: top five R and B artists.

1259
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and Prince are at the top. Is that

1260
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 2: one and two or one and one? I used to

1261
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: wish that Michael Jackson played an instrument and I used

1262
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: to wish that Prince could dance like Michael.

1263
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 6: It kind of evens them out, though it does to

1264
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 6: a certain degree. Lauren Hill really put me.

1265
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: Up on Stevie Wonder, like deep cut Stevie, You know

1266
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. So Stevie Wonder, Yeah, I feel like Steve.

1267
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 2: I discovered Stevie and Donnie Hathaway at the same time,

1268
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: so they hold uh similar position for me a little bit.

1269
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: Michael Prince, Stevie Donnie is like yeah, that's like, yes,

1270
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just do four and then the fifth one,

1271
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about the females. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1272
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: throw Lauren Hill as number five. When am I gonna

1273
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 2: argue with you? Bar you up? I don't know what.

1274
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: I don't really know who one of one? All right?

1275
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: Your top five? Yeah, R and B songs millions by

1276
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: the like, I still listen to that. Now. There's so

1277
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: many commission songs, but like a commission running back to

1278
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 2: you was very affected me.

1279
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 3: I've been buying the commission for like, yeah, the last

1280
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 3: few weeks, just like tapping tapping back into my Mitchell

1281
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 3: Jones come back, yes, really tapping into my I am

1282
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 3: here and the.

1283
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: Old me, and those tones are what shaped us like

1284
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I'll go there. Then

1285
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go where we at. Number three, Let me

1286
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 2: go with like Prince beautiful ones.

1287
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 9: Mm hmm.

1288
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: And then number four maybe love you for life, you

1289
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1290
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 10: Number five go listen to that, right let me number five,

1291
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 10: I'm trying to blink and I should sing it all

1292
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 10: the time. I'll circle back to it.

1293
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: It'll come back to me. That will be number five.

1294
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: These are songs that like I'll still go listen to,

1295
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean for me? So my

1296
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: top five isn't necessarily the most popular songs. It's your

1297
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: top five. Yeah yeah here t yeah, I already know

1298
01:09:59,479 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 2: my vote.

1299
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: Tr okay, no no, no no.

1300
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: So with Voltron, because I watched on other episodes, it

1301
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: would you how many is it you're taking four artists

1302
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: to build one? Build one? See? Okay, My Voltron is

1303
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:18,520
Speaker 2: a little different. I would do a Voltron with Jodasy

1304
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: minus Dalvin, with young Tank fucked up like that, because

1305
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: I will I wonder I always wonder what Jodasy would

1306
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: sound like with three singers.

1307
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: I know what they sounded like with two.

1308
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 2: And I always looked at Boys of Men like they

1309
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: had more singers, more like lead singers, so that whole

1310
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 2: boys the men Jodasy thing was always like dang and

1311
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: the Dalvin Davante was you know, the cold producer or whatever,

1312
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: and Dalvin was, you know, brought what he brought to

1313
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: the table as well. But like I'm like like knowing,

1314
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: like like you know how you saying, And I wondered

1315
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: like just like three like dark skinned, fucking singing ass

1316
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: like church ass niggas, Like I want to hear that ship,

1317
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: Like what because I know you could get off with

1318
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: the production. That would be like Diary of a Mad

1319
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: Band Jodasy to let me be clear, Diary of a

1320
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: Mad Band Jodas. It's like, yeah, yeah, young Tank, that's

1321
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 2: what my dream. That's where I would do. I don't

1322
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: really care about nobody else. I'll be like, I want

1323
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: to see what that group sound like if a third

1324
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 2: nigga could come in and.

1325
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: Get actually a group. Yeah, yeah, I love it though.

1326
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: It's all those things though. It's it's the voice, it's

1327
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: the styling, and you.

1328
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 2: Produce and you play so too, like like what does

1329
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: that look like?

1330
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 11: Like like if Davante's on guitar and your old kids,

1331
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 11: it's like what the fuck is happening and you're singing

1332
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 11: and these niggas singing and then like you got the

1333
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 11: one verse segment and then you coming on the I

1334
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 11: don't know, like I just think that SHI would have

1335
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 11: been super raw.

1336
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy.

1337
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That is that a reach?

1338
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: No, that's nuts. That's sign right there.

1339
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 12: That's we got a man with a lot of stories,

1340
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 12: man live whoa whoa, I.

1341
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 5: Ain't saying no nick. I ain't saying no names, no names,

1342
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 5: don't say I ain't saying no.

1343
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1344
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 6: So this segment, it's part of the show. It's called

1345
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 6: I ain't saying no names. Will you tell us a story? Ooh,

1346
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 6: funny or fucked up? We are funny and fucked up.

1347
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: Dang.

1348
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 6: I got a good one in the Travels Ryan Toby,

1349
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 6: I got a good one.

1350
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, you're ready? Are you ready?

1351
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: Hold on? Hold on, okay, hold on, Okay, I got

1352
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 2: no let me see. I'm gonna go aw when you're ready,

1353
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: because he got announce you.

1354
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: You gotta be announced.

1355
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 6: M Okay, I'm ready. Okay, it's my camera right here,

1356
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,799
Speaker 6: right now. We're about to get into some real double

1357
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 6: diamond ship though. You got Ryan Toby, old, happy motherfucking day.

1358
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 6: I know nobody's ever said it that way. Oh, happy

1359
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 6: motherfucking day. Toby here right now, and he ain't about to.

1360
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: Say no names. I ain't gonna say no names. I

1361
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: ain't gonna say no no. But it was a writing session.

1362
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: This is early. This is early in my writing career.

1363
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: So this artist came down to touch a Jazz to

1364
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 2: work with me. Drean Videll and this artist he was,

1365
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: he was very well known, and uh, he came down.

1366
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: And this is in two ninety This had to be

1367
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 2: maybe ninety nine at the latest, probably before that ninety seven,

1368
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: maybe maybe ninety eight ninety seven. All I know is

1369
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: that the the Lexus land Cruiser was the hottest car

1370
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: on the shoe. Lexus Lamb was the hottest car on

1371
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: the street. And he had the newest one, whatever version

1372
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 2: of it that was. He had the newest one. It

1373
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: was white gold trimmed peanut butter guts by so fire

1374
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: hot does Carl on the street. He come down, he

1375
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 2: iced out. We're just like, you know what I'm saying,

1376
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: this that this ding got this that bull as we said, Philly,

1377
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: this that bull.

1378
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: And it was great.

1379
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 2: We vibbing, were chilling. We we we we're writing. And

1380
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: then uh and then it's like, yo, man, let's let's

1381
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: get out the studio. You know what I'm saying. Let's

1382
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: let's go get a drink, Let's go, you know what

1383
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean, touch the town a little bit. So when

1384
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 2: we dip out, we all jump in the truck and

1385
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 2: we all we go some little spot. We go to

1386
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: some little spot. Whatever woo. We in the spot were

1387
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 2: chilling vibe all right, cool. We just wanted to get

1388
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: out the studio for a second. Now we're about to

1389
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 2: head back. We done had a couple of drinks whatever

1390
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 2: Da da d were a little you know, we a

1391
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: little rowdy. We're walking out, were about to leave. I'm like, hey, yo, man,

1392
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: let me whip this ship.

1393
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 8: Man the.

1394
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: Ship, throw me the keys. All good, we all jumping

1395
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: whip damn. We this.

1396
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: Movin.

1397
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 2: So we mash it through the city. So I do

1398
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: that move where you know it was? It was it

1399
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: was a red light, and it was a car, you know,

1400
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: two cars in front. So you know, you pull up

1401
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 2: just in time for when it turned green and dip

1402
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: around the car in front of you. But you're not

1403
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 2: supposed to do that. That that right turn, that right

1404
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: pass on the right side. I do it.

1405
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 5: Whoo boo boo boo boop.

1406
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: Police, Oh ship police, damn as I'm pulling over the

1407
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 2: police in the back.

1408
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 9: Oh.

1409
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: And it was me and for Dial in the front

1410
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: and Dre and old boy in the bag. Old boy, guys,

1411
01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm pulling over. He yo, fam my name Darryl. If

1412
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: they asked like Daryl Brown or some ship. You're not

1413
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 2: wait what, I'm looking in the rear, like what did

1414
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 2: you say?

1415
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1416
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: Bro, my name down and he pulled like a turn

1417
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: to the side like I ain't in this type and

1418
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: I ain't really care. It was so fast, and the

1419
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 2: cop came, a thing came to the window. I'm like, wait, wait,

1420
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 2: what did they just say? No licensed registration? I don't

1421
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 2: know where anything is? Because you know what I mean?

1422
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 2: And Homie got straight.

1423
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 9: This is a non non.

1424
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: Like he got straight silent Daryl Brown. So I'm like,

1425
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 2: what the fuck? So I'm me and dal trying to

1426
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 2: find We don't know where nothing's that. We hitting wind

1427
01:17:55,960 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: shild wipers and dazard lights and clearly just say in

1428
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 2: our cars, trying to find it, trying to find it,

1429
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 2: glove compartment whatever. So then Darryl is like, it's in

1430
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: the It's in the you know, in the thing under

1431
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 2: the thing whatever. So I'm like, what the you know

1432
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,520
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, So go in, We get these little paperwork,

1433
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: give it to the give it to the to the cop.

1434
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 2: He go back ship right here, he go back run

1435
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 2: everything cars hot as fish crease. The tags are from

1436
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: one state. The ven number is from another state. The

1437
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: name is like of a dead person. Like it's like

1438
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: and he's not. This ain't a rapper. This is a singer,

1439
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 2: a well known singer, and so at the time, so

1440
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, but but so when the cop came back,

1441
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: step out the car, Step out the car. For what

1442
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: he tells you, this car is hot man. License plate

1443
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: from one state, the vend number from another state. This

1444
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: from another state. I'm like, oh, man, nah, come on, man, like,

1445
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 2: I don't know we got this. This this ain't even

1446
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: in my car. Bro for whose car is it? So Daryl,

1447
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm waiting for Daryl to like say something.

1448
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 2: So now everybody get we all giving out fake nay

1449
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 2: oh name and my name is Tony and my name

1450
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 2: is you know, Chico, and you know what I mean. Whatever.

1451
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 2: So the cop be like, all right, that's well, get

1452
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: out the car. So I'm like, all right, so I

1453
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 2: opened the door. I mean, I get out the car.

1454
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 2: That niggas still ain't say nothing. So now they trying

1455
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: to alright, no, officer, ain't you know it's our friend car.

1456
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 2: We work at the studio around the corner. He's back

1457
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: there at the studio. He was like, well, you better

1458
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 2: go get him, because not he's going to jail. This

1459
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 2: niggas still ain't say nothing, so dreamed out trying to

1460
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 2: Now we work at studio Jazzy Jeff. He trying to

1461
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 2: throw any thing out there to get some love. We

1462
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: ain't getting no love. We ain't getting no love. So

1463
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 2: everybody get out the car and then they trying to

1464
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: like kind of walk with me and negotiate with the cop.

1465
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 2: And the cop and then he, you know, other units

1466
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: them pulled up real fast, and uh, they get it.

1467
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: You know, now they back up, get on the show

1468
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: walk you know what I'm saying. You come over here.

1469
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: You want to go to jail too. So it turned

1470
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 2: into this whole fucking thing. So he made them all

1471
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: walk on, get the fuck out, I'm telling you right now.

1472
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: Took all your asses jail. Oh. Boys still ain't say nothing.

1473
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to hold it down as long as

1474
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: I can.

1475
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: Like, I'm like, I don't know. They put me in

1476
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: the cuffs and everything. Bro put me in the back

1477
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 2: of the squad car and I turned around and like

1478
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 2: and he's like in front of them, walking in front

1479
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 2: of them out.

1480
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 9: I'm like, nah, dog, hey, off.

1481
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 2: Ah No him right there, the one right there with

1482
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 2: the blue coat with the jewelry on.

1483
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 5: This is his car.

1484
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: Fuck that. I'm not going to jail for this. Nigga.

1485
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: No nigga, no nigga. So we get to talking this,

1486
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 2: that and the third, and then the cop was like, well,

1487
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 2: who's card man? I man, listen, I sang like a motherfucker.

1488
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: Listen, I sang several divon.

1489
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 2: I don't know you. This is my first day meeting you.

1490
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: You feel me, and you be straight silient like you

1491
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 2: and you walking off first what like even you know

1492
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 2: jam Dow. They trying to linger, and they coming up

1493
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: with most of the story, like yo, it was our

1494
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 2: brother car. He had the studio with the studios right

1495
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: around the corner.

1496
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: We could go, you know.

1497
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: Officers. They trying to plead a little case for me.

1498
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 2: Cop trying to tell them to move. A home boy

1499
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 2: is already walking down the strip. No man, no, no,

1500
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: that's him. That's him. Aliens.

1501
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 5: He signed to.

1502
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly heard it.

1503
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 2: I mean like I couldn't no, no, no, no, no no.

1504
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: So I think what happened.

1505
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: I was in the car.

1506
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 2: They never they didn't take me down to the to

1507
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 2: the precinct. He just told me what the situation was

1508
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: with the car, and then he was like well, I

1509
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 2: was like, well, it ain't my car, and you know,

1510
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 2: like my name wasn't on nothing. And then he was

1511
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: just like I don't know if I gave him. I

1512
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: don't know what happened, but he was just like, well

1513
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm taking the car. I'm in pounding the car. That

1514
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: was how it all somehow played out, or if they

1515
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: told they was finally able to talk to the cop

1516
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: and he said, well, tell your brother he can come

1517
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: get it from the from the from the station something

1518
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 2: like that. Tell him he can come get it from

1519
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: the impound. So they was like, all right, we're gonna

1520
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 2: go get him there. Can you can you let my

1521
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 2: friend out that He was like hold on it old.

1522
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 2: On the second, they just like made me sit in

1523
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: the car for a minute. I thought they was about

1524
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 2: to take me downtown. They ended up letting me get

1525
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: out the car. I walked back to the studio, get

1526
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: back to the studio. This niggas already at the studio,

1527
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: like sitting in the studio. Of course, the fuck what yeah,

1528
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no names.

1529
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: Did y'all do the record? We had already did it.

1530
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, That's why we went out because it

1531
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 2: was kind of like the record was done.

1532
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: It was fire.

1533
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: It was just kind of like, all right, let's go out,

1534
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: you know, a little celebrate type thing. So the record

1535
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 2: was already done all the way. And then he hit

1536
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 2: me with some man you know, I bought it from

1537
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 2: my homie and such and such and man the paperwork

1538
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 2: man like he hit me with nigga. You knew he

1539
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,560
Speaker 2: was riding round because this was back when niggas was

1540
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 2: copping them. You know, get like the six hundred SIXD

1541
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:52,839
Speaker 2: for like twelve thousand.

1542
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: Niggas is buying you know, cars off the boat you

1543
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: can get.

1544
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: Like I have not had car. I was like, so

1545
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: who I make the payment to to him?

1546
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm Duyl Brown.

1547
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 9: Right stop, what do I say?

1548
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I got it? Okay, I guess what do I I've

1549
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: had a few yeah.

1550
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1551
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: This was this was during that I remember during that

1552
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 2: time like because that was like that was like the

1553
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 2: thing that was the thing, that was the thingig wish

1554
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 2: numbers find them off the boat yeh D slow yeah, slow,

1555
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 2: which which I'm like, bro, why you ain't just say

1556
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 2: that when we like.

1557
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like yo, because that was

1558
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 1: I funked up the flows.

1559
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, funk up the flows to be like.

1560
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: You think it's one hundred and twenty, but it's this.

1561
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 2: This was early, Like I said, this was very early

1562
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 2: in my working with artists, so I was green to artists.

1563
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: You know that car, I ain't no niggas was stealing

1564
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: cars or wearing fake jewelry or anything like that. I'm

1565
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 2: I'm super young this nineteen ninety seven. I might have

1566
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: been nineteen years old, twenty years.

1567
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 1: Old or whatever that was. So it's like and always

1568
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: super sweet.

1569
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, well, you're you're so and so.

1570
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: You used to sing with so and so, and you

1571
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: did doing hot Car.

1572
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, damn and you got the

1573
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 2: newest damn nigga. You're getting it like I'm excited. This

1574
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: might have been my second artist session. First artist session

1575
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: was with Darius Rutger and uh and and that was

1576
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 2: funny because he had to deal with Budweiser from who

1577
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 2: He and the Blowfish, So Bud Riser trucks would up

1578
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: to the studio drop drop Bud. Wow, fucking I'm with it.

1579
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: You guys.

1580
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: Party you guys party, so like that's artist number one,

1581
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: and then like artist number two is this guy? So

1582
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: that was that was my white nigga got a keg

1583
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 2: a bud that buddy, because one party bud lights.

1584
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 3: You guys want to get wild weird. I gotta I

1585
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 3: gotta kick him, but I don't take us anywhere we

1586
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 3: want to go.

1587
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 2: It's just it.

1588
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, man, thank you, bro, thank you. I mean,

1589
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 3: you know, we we we've been family for quite some time.

1590
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: So you know, for with Jesus do, which turned out

1591
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 2: to be with Joe to See, I've been trying to

1592
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: tell people it's not what would Jesus do?

1593
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: What Joe absolutely Joe to See to us is kind

1594
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: of Jesus like.

1595
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 2: Jesus so absolutely absolutely.

1596
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 3: And you made me record my vocals over. I never

1597
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 3: record my vocals over. And Ryan said, I just think

1598
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 3: if you just get back in my pocket.

1599
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: You realized he was double diamond.

1600
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 13: He's double diamond when he said re record, re record, Yeah,

1601
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 13: I got y'all should add a segment to the show

1602
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 13: called Funny Tank Moments.

1603
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: Everyone has a funny Tank moment.

1604
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 2: You should add Funny Tank Moments and make your guess

1605
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 2: tell some good, funny tank moments that they had in

1606
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: their life.

1607
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: If they yeah, if they know you, I got, I

1608
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: got a good three.

1609
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I was debating on whether to use that

1610
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: one or not because it's three. I was like, it's

1611
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: gonna be too long, so I said, I just tell

1612
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: them about that other guy. My tak moments are good though.

1613
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: They're funny though.

1614
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 3: Ships, drinking, thanking my dad. I have a beverage too.

1615
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 3: I would have a beverage to thank you brother for

1616
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 3: coming by. Thank you fellows.

1617
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 2: Ship, tell me about it. I ain't know. M hmm,

1618
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: telling me a bunch of ship.

1619
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 3: I ain't know, you said, I am telling you going

1620
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 3: through the progressions of your story all that.

1621
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1622
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I like, I like what this

1623
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 3: is becau because although it is a thing that you know,

1624
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 3: we end up you know, uploading or whatever that is,

1625
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 3: from the business of it, Like it really gives us

1626
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 3: an opportunity to dive, have those deep dive conversations with

1627
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 3: our guys.

1628
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1629
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, our girls like like what you know what

1630
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's that's really cool.

1631
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 2: It's cool. It's cool too that the fans, the people

1632
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 2: that watch that maybe aren't in the industry, they get

1633
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 2: to see that industry, people, artists, whatever, are still human.

1634
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 2: They just they have human stories and human situations because

1635
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times fans, you know, you

1636
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 2: don't think niggas is human, like you did what oh

1637
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: he did? You know what I mean? Or even you know,

1638
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 2: like I'm the dude I'm talking about.

1639
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 14: He's just a nigga, just doing with nigga, you know

1640
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 14: what I'm saying, with some type of those type of

1641
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 14: guys doing so It's like it's not that you got

1642
01:28:54,160 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 14: to hold these people in this almost like unrealistic, you know.

1643
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: And it's a platform like this allows people to see that.

1644
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 3: Just tell people all the time, my repossession is the

1645
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,440
Speaker 3: same as your repossession.

1646
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: Can the people that call you their money?

1647
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 6: Can we confirm that Tank ain't Daryl Brown?

1648
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: Can we at least confirm that that Tank is not

1649
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Daryl Brown?

1650
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: No?

1651
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: No, he would have he would have been broken, you

1652
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: know what.

1653
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't want to tell the Holy Great

1654
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, he's gonna give it away.

1655
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 3: I'm not Brown, not bro Listen, man, I don't I

1656
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 3: don't even know what else to say about you, man,

1657
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 3: outside of you know, you're probably the only guy I know.

1658
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 2: It's double diamond.

1659
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm s we respect your craft, we respect

1660
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 3: you and love you as a human being.

1661
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 2: And you know, we all we had our talking cheesecake.

1662
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 3: You know. You know, just retiring ship is bullship. You

1663
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, I need a couple more. You

1664
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Man like that, you know, put

1665
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 3: the double diamond pin and production hat back on.

1666
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

1667
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm out of retirement. I'm going to make I made

1668
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: my first debut album.

1669
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm saying. When I seen you on stage, man,

1670
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You know you already know

1671
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: my favorite song still is to this day. You know

1672
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 2: you know that right that was he played me a

1673
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 2: song fifteen years ago and I'm still talking about it

1674
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 2: to this day, Like you feel me. So it's like

1675
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 2: when I seen you on I said, wait a minute, yeah,

1676
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 2: knowing when you went you know, you went to the

1677
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 2: other side, You went to the corporate side. Things you

1678
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 2: wanted to swivel chair. But then your ass is back

1679
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 2: on the month on the stage with the motherfuck was

1680
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:44,560
Speaker 2: that future? What the color was that.

1681
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 1: I meant it was his here's here's a huge I

1682
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: had the cream on I.

1683
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, man, that and and to know your

1684
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 2: brotherhood and to know the journey and then now like

1685
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 2: we just gonna go just snap and have fun.

1686
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 1: I was about, Bro, that's what's about.

1687
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 2: That's the time. Yeah, that gave me that that that

1688
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 2: really blests my heart.

1689
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: Now we really thank you for coming Bro. Like people

1690
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, ran up on this man in the mall.

1691
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 2: This is my real friend in real life.

1692
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 1: I threatened him in the mall. Yeah, he was really good.

1693
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: I was really I was really good.

1694
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm this is my guy. I've never been aggressive, but

1695
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 1: I was very aggressive about that.

1696
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 6: And this is before the streets started asking, because we

1697
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 6: talked about it a long time ago.

1698
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Him coming on to show. He's a very business man.

1699
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's obviously he's double diamonds, so he's living

1700
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: his best life. It took a minute to get him here.

1701
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 2: It's here now, man, now, shout out, shout out to Rube.

1702
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Come on the schedule's right, man.

1703
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: You didn't put you didn't put. You can't put it

1704
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: out there now. That ain't gonna be looking up. So

1705
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 2: if you want to come on money on this show. Listen, everybody, listen.

1706
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: These two guys are just the face.

1707
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 9: They just the face.

1708
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 1: Don't be fooled.

1709
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: There is there a god.

1710
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 5: There's brains, brains the brain.

1711
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Quick, let me bring this back. Poochy's daddy name was

1712
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 2: Ruben man Ce. Wow, I just had of course Poochie's daddy.

1713
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: Of course, what else would his name be?

1714
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: My joke? Do you want to come on? You want

1715
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 2: to baby?

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